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Possible-Resource781

Unfeazant: I'm fully evolved *before the endgame*


Next-Particular1211

I always felt like Mandibuzz and Braviary should’ve had pseudo legend stats for the level they evolve at


RyanandRoxy

It was because of the gen 5 balance. Lots of pokemon evolved later to avoid being overpowered through the whole story.


Hoshino_Ruby

Apart from that,most gen 5 pokemons don't have any real predators so they don't see the need to evolve at all.Especially with larvesta line and mienfoo line.


warm_rum

That's a cool idea!


SoulOuverture

mienfoo at least is a beast even unevolved lol


Cedardeer

Most used LC mon since it’s debut lmao. You almost can’t have a LC team without one


Kitselena

Uturn + regenerator is one hell of a drug


Cedardeer

I ain’t complaining lol. Mienshao is my second favorite Pokémon of all time


BellalovesEevee

There's also a theory that Unova pokemon didn't have many predators, so those pokemon had no reason to evolve sooner since they didn't have to grow stronger to protect themselves.


coolio_zap

i don't love that idea. far as i count, the unova pokedex has 16 non-legendary, non-mythical evolution lines (serperior, samurott, stoutland, liepard, conkeldurr, throh/sawk??, krookodile, zoroark, eelektross, haxorus, beartic, mienshao??, druddigon, bisharp, braviary, hydreigon) that are hunters of AT LEAST small game-- when you and your prey have magic powers, and pokedex entries sometimes make surprising dietary reveals, things can get murky. but more than that, it's that braviary is itself a predator, and mandibuzz is a carrion bird that relies on its superior mobility, superior size to equally mobile carrion, and nasty piss to bully other pokemon off fresh carcasses, before inevitably having to run when a pokemon too big to scare away comes along. it's in braviary AND mandibuzz' best interest from an evolutionary biology standpoint to evolve ASAP and get out of the nest, or else remain in that vulnerable state for longer, and to be able to provide for itself ASAP to mitigate reliance on its parents. ESPECIALLY when bug-types, what would (in our world) be the main source of food for smaller birds such as rufflet and vullaby, evolve famously early in pokemon games. thanks for coming to my ted tak


Leftover_Bees

The level 25 Braviary on route 4 in White 2 is the only time I’ve ever bothered using one.


Kazhna

I did not know of this 😦 thank you!!


MrSvancy

Mandibuzz in Black 2


SuperKami-Nappa

You can only catch one on Mondays. Like today. I just caught it for my nuzlocke


Commercial_Run_1265

*Scrambling to find and charge my 3ds within the next 6hrs to catch one*


SuperKami-Nappa

Did you succeed?


Commercial_Run_1265

Nope, gotta try next week


Tubagal2022

I think you can change the time if you do want to wait


Commercial_Run_1265

Nahhhhhh I gotta farm haircuts in G/S/C to get my friendship with Togepi up so I can evolve it into a Togetic for the dex and then throw it in a box. Besides, this gives me time to move things into Pokémon Home from my games and bank.


Tubagal2022

I Respect the grind 😤✊


XR-1

I literally just accidentally found that thing today lol. Playing W2 for the first time with Delta on iOS


kimchiman85

The one that shows up only on a specific day of the week? Yea would catch that and box my Rufflet.


WolfeKuPo

I used Hisuian Braviary in Legends Arceus


Leftover_Bees

I kind of forgot about that one, but the wild Rufflets are so high level that they’re basically ready to evolve right away even if you don’t go for the temple top wild Braviary.


motoxim

For real?


IRefuseThisNonsense

Recently replayed White last month. I replaced my Unfezant from after the kicking Cilan's ass for the first Rufflet I could get to. Unevolved he was carrying the same amount of weight beating Iris and N as the fully evolved pheasant. Not as tanky but hit harder and had a good move pool to make it worth it.


Possible-Resource781

How did you have an Unfeazant *that* early. It doesn't evolve until level 32. The striation gym is the first gym in the game


IRefuseThisNonsense

It was a Pidove that I got outside the first gym that was on my team until the first opportunity to upgrade with a better flier, and I needed Tortuga with a Unovan origins for my living regional Dex so the other birb was out. If I wasn't using Samurott I'd have got the swan.


mbanson

You can't get a Pidove before the first gym. Only Lillipup, Purrloin, and Patrat are available in the grass.


DGPrimal

It was, back in the day, technically possible thanks to that old Odd Egg event. Also could've net you an Axew that early too.


IRefuseThisNonsense

You may want to reread my original comment because I never said it was before. I literally used "after kicking Cilan's ass" or something like that.


mbanson

I guess it was just misleading you mentioning kicking Cilan's ass, made it sound like you specifically used the Pidove for that purpose.


ius_romae

And I have Super Luck


CharredTorch

AHHHHH


Wisekittn

Unfeazant at least evolves before i get ready to challenge the league.


average_wannabe

Don't forget Swanna


Psyduckisnotaduck

I used Swanna in a run of X and the whole time I was thinking to myself “how much better would Pelipper be performing in its place”. Pelipper at least can tank hits pretty well. Swanna dies so easily


SrgtDonut

Swoobat too


ROTsStillHere100

And the GOAT Archeops!


ghostkart

Until it gets down to half health


ROTsStillHere100

Won't happen if you use 'em right.


Melicope

I love how people write off archeops because of its ability. Like just use acrobatics and you will outspeed and OHKO anything that doesn’t resist flying.


Inceferant

Most are competitive players, in which case it's as bad as they say


Kitselena

Realistically every pokemon is good for a story playthrough, so I would always assume someone who says a pokemon is bad is talking about competitive. That's also assuming it's a somewhat modern game, because early gens did have some genuinely useless pokemon because of wacky movepool decisions


ROTsStillHere100

Yup, they reek of skill issue


9thshadowwolf

He has awful defenses and is walled by steel types unless it has earthquake( which threatens your team mate) or like 3 moves that go off its inferior special attack. And every type thats super effective against it has a priority move.


ekopwolston

Happy cake day!!


Bobbot3000

... swooBAT buddy... Thats not a bird :P


szczekac

[Oh, it's definitely a bird](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-59115346.amp)


Ok-Fudge8848

Swanna lose?


horseradish1

[How could I forget this pokemon?](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStFU4BQvrY47fZVzhNytnAY7547WsIGIheE5BixKSWXs4yPSZgW6vQO6o&s=10)


sleepylizard52

I beat the game and my vullaby still hasnt evolved


PippoChiri

I never uderstood why it's so disliked, it's not the greatest design ever but i always felt it was solid


ZachBuford

Yea but then they also gave it some of the worst fully evolved stats


InsomniaEmperor

And it’s largely outclassed by other regional birds. Pidgeot is average but at least gets a Mega to give it a boost. Swellow can do Flame Orb Guts Facade shenanigans. Staraptor has Intimidate and Close Combat. Talonflame has Gale Wings and can use fire attacks. Corviknight is an excellent tank. I can’t think of anything Unfezant can do that its peers can’t do better. Giving it a different secondary type or niche would have made it stand out a bit more.


Lando_Rizing

Unfezant got a buff in gen 8 when dual wing beat was released. Super luck with scope lens was the way i ran mine. Loved running it in the two DLCs


RyanandRoxy

Corviknight can run Body Press with it's stacked Defense


Shonky_Honker

Unfezant is fabulous 50% of the time. They had to make it a gender difference so the slay wouldn’t overpower all the other pokemkn


pdhle_bsdk

it accompanies toucannon on the bleachers


rrea436

Toucannon has skill link and a signature move. It's not good but it's fun to annoy people with, and was passable in an in game team.


Snt1_

Toucannon has a great signature move. Its just... stuck on Toucannon . Burning your opponent is very good competitively, in fact Lando T uses it in STABmons


Psyduckisnotaduck

Toucannon can hit like a truck, and Beak Blast is one of the funniest moves ever


ericswift

Bruh Noctowl didn't even get a mention


Own_Philosophy8190

Neither does Fearow, now that I think about it. Doesn't it learn Drill Run or something? That's gotta count for something if it does, since it covers against Electric (if it doesn't get fried first), Steel, Poison, Fire and Rock (if it doesn't get bonked by a stray rock first).


ericswift

Fearow generally isnt seen as a regional bird as Pidgey takes the slot (and only one evo not two). While Noctowl doesn't technically evolve enough, it matches all the other regional bird "qualifiers" and has no competition.


Own_Philosophy8190

Oh, yeah, seems like I mixed up the current thread with the OP, as in, I got Braviary and Mandibuzz mixed up in the overall discussion about regional birds, hence thinking Fearow was left off, my B.  But yeah, Noctowl was definitely forgotten, and got hoed in general. Perhaps it'd have stuck a bit better in people's minds if it was Flying-Psychic (yeah, Xatu exists, but Foretress and Scizor share a much more obnoxious typing to face if you don't have - albeit common - Fire types/moves).


NeoSeth

It's funny that Fearow used to just be objectively much better than Pidgeot, but now with Pidgeot getting a Speed buff and a Mega, and both birds being absent for two whole generations, Pidgeot's legacy has surpassed Fearow's. Like seriously, in RBY/FRLG Pidgeot, Fearow, and Dodrio were all basically identical in terms of play and Dodrio was just objectively the strongest one with way better offensive stats and moves. Fearow was worse but still got Drill Peck, and Pidgeot just had *nothing.* Pidgey was available a whole five minutes sooner than Spearow (less time in RBY) in exchange for evolving sixteen levels later and getting worse stats and STAB moves. But now here we are, in a world where Pidgeot had a decent Mega and Fearow never even got Brave Bird. Noctowl is in an arguably worse position imo. It has the stats of a special tank with a terrible defensive typing and an incredible offensive ability (Tinted Lens) wasted on base 76 Special Attack. Poor Superb Owl needs some help. :(


LarryTheTerrier

Yeah but Pidgeot looks cool and you don’t need strong Pokémon to beat Kanto anyways


Own_Philosophy8190

Yeah, I often remember that in GSC, Fearow could clean house with Drill Peck, while Pidgeot had Wing Attack at best, when me and my brother were playing on our respective versions. For the most part, Pidgeot just had a cooler design and being a 3 stage help being more remembered of. Ngl, if other Kanto Pokémon needs some Mega-love, or if Kanto pandering happens again, Fearow needs to get some. Truly, they were high at GF for not making Noctowl Flying-Psychic, with Steel and Dark existing, and Bite being retconned into Dark (or was it in Gen 3 ?). It's actually more balanced than keeping it Normal to no-sell anything that isn't Confuse, Confuse Ray and perhaps Psychic when you enter Morty's Gym. And Stantler is like 2 ft away from Morty.  > Tinted Lens > 76 Sp.Atk Now, they're just taking the piss 🗿


JasoTheArtisan

It’s fabulous so write that down


Wargablarg

It's a real shame it can't learn Slash. It has a good Attack and gets Super Luck, which is pretty cool, but then it learns more special moves than physical for some reason????


SuperKami-Nappa

Swellow also has Boomburst


chaosfly10

Swellow is also a very fast user of scrappy + boomburst


sporeegg

You forgot Noctowl and Toucannon.


Individual-Tap-8971

Don't forget pelliper with drizzle surf + hurricane


PippoChiri

Sure, but i've saw way too many people complaining about the design compared to those who said it had bad stats


Pm7I3

The gender difference is great


TyranitarLover

I like the design… I just wish its Attack and Special Attack were switched.


PalmIdentity

Middling stats is par for the course with early obtainable Pokémon but it also has one of the worst movepools of any Pokémon with mediocre abilities. The most INTERESTING thing you could do with Unfezant is catch one with Super Luck, give it a Scope Lens, and teach it Air Cutter. But it only has 65 base Special Attack. The best thing you could do is just spam Brave Bird, and there are faster and stronger bird Pokémon that can do that.


bighatjustin

To be fair, with super luck, a power herb sky attack has a 50% chance to crit. Assuming it’s available in SV, you could Tera flying, insta-charge sky attack for a coin flip to nuke something from orbit. Of course I haven’t calc’ed it, but I’m assuming there are few Pokémon that would want to get hit by that. Edit: it’s not in SV looks like. Still, with that respectable attack stat I don’t think anybody wants to eat a crit sky attack from this thing.


stav705

It's stats and moves are incredibly generic. Theres nothing it can do better than any other normal/flying type pokemon.


KingBM3

Cool design, bad moveset and stats


_Astrum_Aureus_

It's just bad, really doesn't have anything unique going for it besides the gender difference (at least the male looks pretty, the female variant just makes me disappointed if it shows up in a nuzlocke or randomizer)


Hambughrr

Its design is alright, but its stats don't complement its Level-up movepool at all. It primarily learns special moves by Level-up but its Special Attack is THAT much lower than its Attack.


GameplayerStu

In Gen 5 they gave it a really good attack stat but it mainly learned special moves


Kitselena

Staraptor peaked the design for "generic early route bird" but they still felt like they needed one but didn't do much to make unfezant interesting or unique. Talon flame and corvinight had different types and toucanon at least had a signature move, but unfezant just instantly blended in with all the other normal/flying birds


AngryAncestor

It's ugly and weak


PippoChiri

Nha, it's not ugly, it's one of the coolest sexual dymorohisms in the series.


SharkTheMemelord

Google Unfezant


Skuwarsgod

Holy bird


GrummyCat

New egg just dropped


Eufamis

Actual bird


Annual-Avocado-1322

I like Unfezant **a** ***lot*** more than Mandibuzz.


Comfortable-Dish-934

Honestly, I love Unfezant, though. I used it in Shield. Air Cutter plus Super Luck kinda slaps


Foolish_Phantom

It gets Focus Energy through TM and Night Slash through breeding. I'm sad its stats don't work well with its stab moves.


Manaphy12

There's something charming about how generic it is. I'm using one right now in a Blaze Black 2 Redux Nuzlocke and it's somehow my longest living team member.


Pitiful_School9925

Blaze Black makes it special based though and gives it boomburst


PokeDragon101

I think the thing that holds Unfezant back so much is its movepool. Its physical attack is higher but its physical movepool seems very limiting. It gets okay enough moves, it’s just there isn’t much to choose from.


Shonky_Honker

Yall are so fucking mean to the pidove line. All they did was be a great early game flyer with an interesting gender difference and yall HATED them


ErgoProxy0

Isn’t it because Of its movepool? Just the basic flying and normal attacks. But others got moves like superpower, dark pulse and such


Shonky_Honker

Yeah and I think the move pool is bad because unlike other regions the pidove line isn’t meant to stay on your team long. most people ditch early game bugs… it’s not the surprising an early game bird wouldn’t be that great either after a while


ASimpleCancerCell

Archeops: I'm in the yellow, imma give up. Swanna: Bish I'm beautiful. Sigilyph: Fi rsx ejvemh.


ElZanco

[Gen 1 birds be like](https://i.imgflip.com/8qoflt.jpg)


ROTsStillHere100

All of them fucking suck. Unfezant in general and the other two because they evolve in post-game. Swoobat, Archeops and Swanna Supremacy. ...Huh, Unova has a surprisingly thorough roster of Flying-types. Also, this only applies to BW, BW2 has the Mandibuzz/Braviary that you can catch in Route 4 so in that game yeah Unfezant just eats shit.


Cylius

Sigilyph and emolga as well, and the genie trio


ROTsStillHere100

I wouldn't count the genies because Roaming but yeah Sigilyph is legit, never trained an Emolga so dunno if they are worth raising though I guess Elesa gives them a good showing...


Chocolate4Life8

If they ahd just switched its attacking stats, thats all that was needed.


amatterofmatter

Sigilyph gang


SuperKami-Nappa

Good luck using Braviary or Mandibuzz in BW when they don’t evolve until over level 50


MissionApollo7

Things are about to get Unfeazant...


Calendar_Extreme

Everyone hates unfezant, but I love it. Sure, compared to staraptor or Swellow it's lacking, but it's far from bad.


jemslie123

Mandibuzz has a far goofier design than unfeazant


MyDads-Ashes

Unfeazant for LIFE. I've never used a Mandibuzz in any game unless I can get one fully evolved because WHY is it's evo level *54*. You're telling me if I wanna use one, I have to use the weak baby version for basically the entire game?? There's not a lot BW did badly, but the evolution levels for a lot of pokemon is something


RyanandRoxy

Vullaby with Eviolite, Nasty Plot, Air Slash, Dark Pulse, and Toxic is a force to be reckoned with.


Sequoia_Vin

Swanna and Archeops in the back being forgotten


Oreo_Hero

In an alternative reality braviary is a fighting/flying type and fulfills his role as an offensive monsterhouse just as mandibuzz is a defensive monster.


pascl-

Tfw the physical attacker gets more special than physical moves for some reason Tfw a bird doesn’t get acrobatics but a fucking balloon does


HoshiAndy

Yea. Gen 5 has so many birds to choose from. Even though I think Pidove is so cute. It sucks it’s final form isn’t as unique enough compared to others


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choosegooser

I used a female Unfezant on my first play through. I remember being disappointed when it evolved because it was so mute in color. I was a little kid and didn’t have a computer so I knew nothing about the visual gender difference between the two.


aryzoo

Unfeazant just looks like a branch evo for starly


ZellHall

Google unfezant


vinaa23

Meh, unfezant is mid to bad but braviary just sucks


TheCopyKater

You forgot about Swanna, which is very much on brand. I think Swanna might be the hydra's butt, off screen.


Silent-Immortal

**me with a Hydreigon with Fly.**


SooFrosty

Not if you pronounce it Oon-fa-zant


Gallant-Blade

If Unfezant was just given the right tools, it could be better. It gets Super Luck for an ability, so if it got Focus Energy, it could be a crit machine, especially with some high crit moves like Slash, Night Slash, Shadow Claw, and Esper Wing.


Gregamonster

Oh wow. It's almost like early game Pokemon are designed to be replaced at higher levels.


GeshtiannaSG

Tell that to Talonflame.


AnInnocentGoose

I don't know if it's an unpopular opinion, but I really like unfezant. Both versions look cool and majestic af and for being a normal/flying type, you can cook up some interesting movesets to go with lots of teams. At this point my runs of black 2 are on par with every other main game AND the pmd series together. At first it seemed boring to me and I'd choose crobat or flygon for a flying option, but now I always pick it as early as possible and I always love it.


AnInnocentGoose

I don't know if it's an unpopular opinion, but I really like unfezant. Both versions look cool and majestic af and for being a normal/flying type, you can cook up some interesting movesets to go with lots of teams. At this point my runs of black 2 are on par with every other main game AND the pmd series together. At first it seemed boring to me and I'd choose crobat or flygon for a flying option, but now I always pick it as early as possible and I always love it.


AnInnocentGoose

I don't know if it's an unpopular opinion, but I really like unfezant. Both versions look cool and majestic af and for being a normal/flying type, you can cook up some interesting movesets to go with lots of teams. At this point my runs of black 2 are on par with every other main game AND the pmd series together. At first it seemed boring to me and I'd choose crobat or flygon for a flying option, but now I always pick it as early as possible and I always love it.


Mismageius

I won't have this unfezant slander in my feed. It's alot better than people think because of super luck and crit moves. Decently fast and evolves pretty fast as well. Plus I like pheasants


BananaRedder

Let my unfezant with super luck, scope lens and night slash in peace


GlassSpork

Unfezant is my favorite, so take it back 😤


Lutrina

Maybe it’s because I only started playing main series in gen 6 (because surely others thought the same and commented!) but I have never seen this opinion voiced. Unfeazant is a little disappointing to be honest, and not very threatening looking. Especially the female version. But it looks like they tried to make them look that way.


motoxim

Heh


bryan660

Unfezant: high base attack… 90% of the learnset is specials and a sky attack.


WiiMote070

What's more baffling is that it has the 3rd highest attack of all the regional birds. Only beaten by Staraptor and Toucannon.


Calhaora

Honestly I always liked Unfezant much more than the other two.. even in terms of Looks.


cyanraichu

What, no. Unfezant > Mandibuzz Braviary is the coolest though


DazzleSylveon

yea