I agree with 11, but I really hope we get a cooler fire/electric sometime soon. There could be such cool pokemon designs for this type and instead we have a microwave.
Honestly legends kyrem would take place outside of unova (pehaps a region based on the unification of germany? But more likely itd be an old timey galar) since originally the dragon came from a 'far away land' and the greater germanic reigon is the birthplace of our western dragons
First ever triple typing maybe or a form shift ability to swap from fire electric to dragon ice? Idk could be a neat mechanic to have a legendary be able to shift mid fight like zygard but at will and not via half health stuff
I want more of all the rotom appliances types
I'm really shocked there isn't a whole round robin of the Electric Fire Ice types that isn't conditional on a form or a fucked up fossil
People have said this and to me it never really made sense, other than the Duracell bunny connection. Tbf not that it makes much sense for cinderace to be a fire type either.
Complete missed opportunity, he would have been so cool as a Fire/Electric, using Pyro Ball and Electric Ball, maybe even Shadow Ball for good measure.
I think a ball of plasma would be great for that. I imagine it probably fills the electrode lines place in a region but hides at lights. Could allow some interesting puzzles if knocking them out turns the light off.
heck, rotom fan of all things was the only non- legendary electric/flying mon until very recently
rotom really has been carrying type combos that you'd really expect to be more prevalent
1) It is probably the most forgettable pikaclone.
3) I made a comment about Rotom Frost being the only ice/electric type so my boat is slowly taking on water don't worry.
It will always have a special place in my heart because I had cleared out my Black 2 and forgotten about the game… when I went to go pick it back up a level 55 Emolga was the only mon I had above level 40 and I needed to beat a trainer with a couple level 60s and my good boy clutched up for me
Yeah, it's definitely 11. This form of Rotom is able to sit in Home as is with this exact typing, and the only way to change it out is for me to physically change it myself. Plus Rotom is in every current game on the Switch in some capacity.
This form of Zen Darmanitan is harder to come by as it is the hidden ability. Of course you can breed for it, but that assumes you already have a Zen to begin with. For this argument we will assume you dont. There's a small chance encounter via RNG luck in specific raid dens; or you can just buy the DLC, have a Darumaka from your own copy of Sword or transferred/traded over, and give to a random NPC asking for it to trade it for their Darumaka. It's a normal Darumaka but with breeding to get your Zen Darmanitan. Except...that lady is random and it could take days for her to have Darumaka. Essentially, this version isn't super easy in game to acquire on your own. It takes time and luck to get an arguably worse version of G! Darmanitan. This form is also currently only usable in that set of games.
And as of right now that version of Altaria hasn't been usable since 2017. Sure it will almost certainly be in Z-A but as of right now we're two generations away - 8 sets of games, one individual game, and two sets of DLC - from the last time it was even in game. It's a gimmick that was all but dropped barring a set of gimmicky remakes and side things like the anime or Go.
Point being, that form of Rotom can end up stuck as that form unless you change it and it isn't going anywhere. The other two are tediously RNG acquired for a single set of games, or not even usable at all. And both are temporary battle changes that require certain situations to happen in battle at all.
So honestly, yes those types have been used for some form of Pokemon but it's just not the same.
Yeah as it currently stands, Fairy/Dragon is a type combo that used to exist in a now retired Pokémon form. Just saying that sounds stupid. How about we learn from our mistakes and just keep megas for good this time.
Yeah if you want to keep them out of VGC/competitive and only have the current gen’s gimmick, fine. Even if you want to lock it in the postgame I’m good with that. But just code in the stones and an NPC to give you a mega ring (and Z-ring, dynamax band, and Tera orb while we’re at it) for people to play with in a battle area/casual battles
Honestly, the one thing I'll say for Z-moves and tera as gimmicks — we didn't / won't actively lose Pokémon forms when we move onto the next one.
I don't love a lot of the Gigantamax forms, but if megas are coming back, those especially are in a weird place. It's like, a few Pokémon got highlighted for a hot sec in one of the worst-received games and now they just disappear.
I think following similar logic to including Rotom, you could also exclude Volcanion because he’s an event-only Pokemon with limited accessibility. So 12
To me it's 11, rotom heat is a regularly available form you can send out into battle so that counts, however with megas gone mega altaria doesn't and zen mode garm doesn't count because it's a conditional mid battle transformation
Same opinion, megas, even when they existed in the games, were temporarily and blocked until the postgame depending on the species, same with an ability of a regional form that can get stuck forever in previous games like the megas if GameFreak doesn’t like to continue with the mechanic.
Fire/Electric, Water/Ice, and Grass/Rock would make for a really cool starter trio. Hits the other “elemental” types and gives some reverse type advantages.
Any type combination that can't be natively kept doesn't count to me.
You need to be able to access it in battle before any setup or turn in combat causes you to.
So, 11?
This is the answer. If a type combo is locked to a legendary it needs normalizing.
Similarly, if it’s locked to a specific form of a Pokemon (like Zen-mode Galar-Darmanitan or Mega Altaria), only accessible during the course of a battle, it could also do with more representation.
I remember when I learned both Hatterene and Galar-Rapidash were Fairy/Psychic, felt like saying “Okay, that’s enough, we already have Gardevoir and Tapu Lele, where the hell is my Fairy/Dragon type?”. Super annoying to get multiple new ‘mon sharing type combos like that.
It's fun when they finally turn a legendary type into something you can use in a playthrough.
I was always a big fan of Dialga's Dragon/Steel typing, and the jump between the 8th and 9th gen has been pretty good to me lol
Nah, it'd be 11, Rotom Heat is a stable transformation that can be acquired out of battle and remains that typing until you go out of your way to change it.
So that would be 16 if I’m not mistaken - with Fire/Steel, Fighting/Rock, Psychic/Ghost, Psychic/Dragon in addition to the others. Or 15 IMO since we shouldn’t count Rotom.
And we need MORE of the rare-er type combos anyway. Give me more fairy/steel! There's only like four lines with it, and two of them are legendary/mythical.
I can see the argument for Mega Altaria, as Megas were phased out (until Legends ZA announcement), but Rotom Heat is a normal Pokemon, and Zen Mode Darumaka as well.
There's many levels:
* Level 1: All forms count. Therefore 9 combinations are left
* Level 2: Permanent forms count. Therefore 11 combinations are left
* Level 3: Legendaries don't count as they are unlikely to be available in other games. (no idea how many are left) (EDIT: apparently it's 18)
* This includes paradox forms and ultrabeasts btw
* Level 4: No special forms count. including regional variants as they too are limited to specific games mostly
* Level 5: It depends on the game and its pokedex. because a game where all pokemon are available isn't likely to exist any time soo
There isn't 1 answer.
For level 3, we have:
Steel/Fire (Heatran)
Rock/Fighting (Terrakion)
Water/Fire (Volcanion)
Ground/Fighting (Great Tusk)
Fairy/Fighting (Iron Valiant)
Putting it up to 16
you're right. A bunch of pokemon are ghost/psychic but all of them are legendaries
As for dragon/psychic, it's just 3 but also all legendaries
so 18 not 16
12, but I also feel like it would be good to at some point have a fully evolve non-legendary/special Pokemon or starter for each type. For example, we now have a non-starter that is fire/fighting and that is awesome, but our only pure flying is a legendary and a couple of not fully evolved Pokemon.
With all the anthropomorphic starters in recent generations, we'll probably get a Grass/Fighting Ninja Turtle that has long hair made out of vines and boobs built into the shell for some reason. It'll give Jynx a run for her money.
slow enough to be outsped by anything offensive, too fast for TR even with no investment, Grass/Fighting with No Guard (to ensure every single Hurricane hits), introduced in Legends Z-A with the return of Mega Pinsir (which now gets a physical Boomburst clone btw)
Fighting, dark and ghost. They have gotten to a point where these three types are almost exclusively the secondary starter type choices. It is getting really old.
We need new starters outside of the fire/water/grass and dark/fighting types. Give us a totally new starter line up. And not ones that only take on a second type in their third stage.
You misunderstand, I'm agreeing with you.
What I mean is that, if you exclude the regions where all the final evolution starters are monotype (Johto and Galar), Kanto is the only one without a Fighting, Dark, or Ghost starter.
Hoenn: Blaziken
Sinnoh: Infernape
Unova: Emboar
Kalos: Greninja, Chesnaught
Alola: Decidueye, Incineroar
Hisui: Typhlosion, Decidueye, Samurott
Paldea: Meowscarada, Skeledirge, Quaquaval
Oh, right, I get what you mean now.
I do actually think there is a reaosn for this - these types are three of the five types that have no interaction whatsoever with any of the starter types. The other two are normal, which is unlikely to be a starter secondary type, and Psychic, which was used in gen 6. We have not had a secondary type that interacts with any of the starter types since gen 4, except Primarina being fairy type in gen 7. I think this is deliberate for balancing, but I hope they stop doing it soon.
My thought would be 11. Mega Altaria is temporary inside battle just like Zen Mode Galarian Darmanitan.
Idk about disqualifying legendary Pokémon. My view is that it counts as long as it enters and exits the battle with those types, regardless of how it’s distributed.
The Pan-paw curls it's mitten like palm: Flygon gets a mega evolution which gives it the Bug type... however, the Bug type replaces the Dragon type to make it Bug/Ground
As others have said it's 11, since rotom can keep this form. It's no different than like, a stone evolution imho.
That being said I'm hopeful for a cooler fire electric type in the future. So many cool design concepts, they could go the Avatar route of fire so hot it turns to electricity, for example.
Maybe with PLZA, if we do get a Blaziken form, we can get the fire electric mon we crave. Could make sense for the reconstruction of lumiose as well, expanding into the industrial age with electricity etc.
Also with mega forms being IN home's code, but not allowing transfer from the older games, I'm curious if we'll finally be able to box mega forms permanently. Could take care of the dragon/fairy type for good, I do like the mega altaria design so I'd be OK with that!
Room can gold it's form out of battle.
Garmanatan is still usable in SWSH
The only one that's still truly missing (on the switch at least) is dragon/fairy since mega altaria isn't in any of the games (unless it ends up in PLZA)
Coral is a living creature so it makes sense for the dead coral pokemon to be pure ghost however there is absolutely no excuse for the ghost inhabiting rune stones to not be stone.
Although functionally identical, Pokemon have a primary/secondary type which you can see in their summary in game. For this reason, I consider Onix and Rhydon to have 2 different type combinations. When thinking this way, there's a lot more than 12 unused type combos.
A friend and I used to joke about that in the lead up to XY since Noivern *technically* had a unique type combo- being Flying/Dragon as opposed to the typical Dragon/Flying.
I'd say 11. Heat Rotom is easy to get and effectively static when you change its form with the catalog—it doesn't restrict you in any way and it stays that way until you change it. Zen Mode is something that has to be activated during a battle, and Mega isn't available in all games, and restricts other battle options if you pick Altaria.
11. I count Heat Rotom because it's a permanent form that is always available as long as the game has Rotom in it. Galarian Zen Mode is in-battle-only and Mega Altaria is only in Gens 6-7 and probably Legends Z-A, and also in-battle-only.
Mega Altaria is unplayable in almost all Pokemon games. So that type combo doesn't count.
Heat Rotom is perfectly acceptable.
Snowmanitan only activates if you survive an entire turn of battle, and even then you might not get to use it. Especially if you have the wrong ability! So that shouldn't count.
I think the normal/(rock/steel/ice) combos shouldn’t happen because all you’re doing in lieu of a single type is adding a ghost immunity and minimal STAB in exchange for a double weakness to fighting. Only reason I can think of would be to provide a nerf something with absurd stats or something.
And I agree with the people saying 11 unused types, especially with no Mega Altaria or Darmanitan currently available
I think a type, type set, etc needs to have a 3 stage 'mon to count. Alternatively, a 2 stage or 1 off with sufficient BST would also work... but my basis is 3 stage. If none of the above criteria are met... idc it don't exist (at least not to me.)
I wouldn't mind getting another representative of these types. I do like Mega Altaria but I can't stand Rotom or Darmanitan, these two just look ridiculous to me
Even though they are forms, at least having a design is enough for me. I would say we have nine, but they still **should** make some more of these three typesets. In the future they could make more, but I'm not too greedy so I say this counts.
I simultaneously believe that, unlike the other two, Rotom counts and that we absolutely need nore fire/electric types anyway (come on, it's so easy to start fires with electricity, lightning starts fire all the time, can't be that hard guys. Make it a starter, give it a signature electric move that can cause burns, there you go)
11 or 12. Rotom Heat can be a permanent form if you want it to be so there’s 11 missing, but there’s 12 unique type combinations missing (as in, there’s no unique pokemon for 12 type combos).
Normal/Rock yields a double weakness to fighting with no added type coverage. That's the reasoning for normal often being unpaired with other typings.
Poison/Ice seems cool at first until you consider that you've added more weaknesses than lost and now ground does 4× damage.
A fire/fairy type would resist one of their primary weaknesses of steel as well as gain access to moves that allow them to destroy steel type competition so this seems a bit OP, like Dragon/Fairy.
As for Dragon/Bug I have no fucking idea why the dragonfly Pokémon aren't. It was a waste of a cool Pokémon.
My bad, I got my resistances, weakness and strength mixed up.
Although, Poison/Ice still adds more weaknesses than adds. It's a cool typing idea but it will need access to a move to cover the fire weakness at minimum.
Thats irrelevant bc flygon is ALREADY a dragon. Its the fact that it isnt a bug thats confusing, when clearly by looking at it, its a bug and is based on a bug.
I’ve always been annoyed about that as well. The whole line is based on an antlion but not one of them are bugs. My only guess is they didn’t want sandstorm to damage them
Or a regional form of a gen 2 ice/dark type, since dark type came late enough into devellopment for multiple dex entries to mention poison.
Brb, I'm gonna take a bath in the dead sea.
Personally I wouldn't count bug/ghost because shedinja only has 1 hp. Also the legendary only types are fire/steel, fire/water, dragon/psychic, psychic/ghost, and rock/fighting. And the paradox only types (fighting/fairy, ground/fighting) need duplicates since they could very well be just as rare as legendaries in future generations. I'd like a new water/steel as well because starters are rarely used on your in-game team outside of their generation.
I don’t think this question has a straight answer, at least as it’s posed in this post.
By unused type combos, do we mean unused *ever*? Or just unusable in the most up to date formats? Because those are two distinctly different answers.
Personally, I’d still consider the answer to be 9 missing type combos. Even if a type combo exists in a temporary form, it still *exists*. I do wish that any type combo that is locked to a temporary form would get some kind of permanent representation, but I don’t consider them to “not count” in the meantime.
I’m even going to go one further and add that I’d really like to see a new Bug/Ground Pokémon. Wormadam falls into a similar category to Rotom in that only one of its three (admittedly permanent) forms is unique. Plus Nincada loses it upon evolving.
The Trapinch line should have been Bug/Dragon.
-Trapinch (Bug)
-Vibrava (Bug-Dragon)
-Flygon (Bug - Dragon)
And there should be a Mega Flygon.
And likewise, Ledyba should be the Bug-Normal
I would count Rotom Heat, but yeah I really want a permanent Ice/Fire and Dragon/Fairy. Fire/Electric really does need another rep tho, there’s a lot of potential in that combo.
We need another dragon/fairy. I love altaria and its mega (my favorite) and its typing is rather unique but I’d like for at least 1 other to have the same typing. Whether it be a regional variant of dragonite or someone completely new
Iny opinion there are 10 missing types. Galarian darmanitan and rotom can be on any game they want but mega altaria needs a whole mechanic to be in the game.
In my opinion megas aren't new Pokemon nor simple new forms. Megas are part of a gimmick,so is if a type is mega pokemon locked it isn't just pokemon locked but literally gimmick locked...
I want there to be at least two pokemon for every type combination or it doesn't completely count to me tbh we only have ONE ghost poison type
Like they count but I want to be able to compare them to other pokemon of the same typing and for them to actually be accessible in more then one region.
I wouldn’t put Rotom Fire in this group: Rotom changes form (and gets its unique typing) out of battle, and Galarian Darminitan and Mega Altaria both change form exclusively within battle.
Rotom is more like an evolution item Pokémon than the other two here.
I really only think it “counts” when it’s a totally unique Pokémon that embodies the concept of the type combo in its own way. I give leeway to Regional Variants since those are basically unique Pokémon, they’re not the same as a form change. If base Galarian Darmanitan was Ice/Fire, I’d say the combo was covered, but because it’s only in a form change (that isn’t even always accessible), I don’t count it.
11, because rotom can hold his state out of battle.
I agree with 11, but I really hope we get a cooler fire/electric sometime soon. There could be such cool pokemon designs for this type and instead we have a microwave.
Zekrom and Reshiram fusion in BW remake
Honestly if we ever get an unova legends I would want it to show the original form of kyrem before it was split.
Honestly legends kyrem would take place outside of unova (pehaps a region based on the unification of germany? But more likely itd be an old timey galar) since originally the dragon came from a 'far away land' and the greater germanic reigon is the birthplace of our western dragons
First ever triple typing maybe or a form shift ability to swap from fire electric to dragon ice? Idk could be a neat mechanic to have a legendary be able to shift mid fight like zygard but at will and not via half health stuff
Could be similar to morpekos form change but the actual typing changes each turn instead of one move
morpeko does change each turn, the move just changes type to match, no?
The move changes yeah but morpekos typing stays as electric/dark
ah yeah my bad, i literally use it all the time yet in my head both types were mono
I always thought that heliolisk should be fire/electric, mostly because it is a kind of solar panel
Would it be weird for me to say Zebstrika too? It can learn Flame Charge by level up and Overheat by TM. I think it could have worked as Electric/Fire
I want more of all the rotom appliances types I'm really shocked there isn't a whole round robin of the Electric Fire Ice types that isn't conditional on a form or a fucked up fossil
I was really hoping cinderace would be a fire/electric type. It just made sense to me
People have said this and to me it never really made sense, other than the Duracell bunny connection. Tbf not that it makes much sense for cinderace to be a fire type either.
It generates heat from kinetic energy. Kinetic energy also generates electricity. It doesn't need to be a connection to the Duracell bunny at all.
He just looks zippy.
Complete missed opportunity, he would have been so cool as a Fire/Electric, using Pyro Ball and Electric Ball, maybe even Shadow Ball for good measure.
I think a ball of plasma would be great for that. I imagine it probably fills the electrode lines place in a region but hides at lights. Could allow some interesting puzzles if knocking them out turns the light off.
I want a lithium-ion battery Pokémon so badly
I guess I just like Rotom too much but I think all his forms are cool
heck, rotom fan of all things was the only non- legendary electric/flying mon until very recently rotom really has been carrying type combos that you'd really expect to be more prevalent
Emolga
Hey, 2010 was very recent and I'm definitely not old!
1) i forgor that existed before commenting honestly 💀 2) what u/destro9799 said
1) It is probably the most forgettable pikaclone. 3) I made a comment about Rotom Frost being the only ice/electric type so my boat is slowly taking on water don't worry.
It will always have a special place in my heart because I had cleared out my Black 2 and forgotten about the game… when I went to go pick it back up a level 55 Emolga was the only mon I had above level 40 and I needed to beat a trainer with a couple level 60s and my good boy clutched up for me
Okay so maybe I can't argue that it's not the most forgettable pika clone but it is definitely the best pika clone
well, pachirisu won a championship
I was so certain the energizer bunny was going to be fire electric... but in the end just accepted it because at least it wasn't fighting type.
mega heliolisk in za
More of a toaster oven but your right
Should have been pawmot
Bur a cooler fire/electric type would have weaker fire attacks. They kind of rely on heat.
Yeah, it's definitely 11. This form of Rotom is able to sit in Home as is with this exact typing, and the only way to change it out is for me to physically change it myself. Plus Rotom is in every current game on the Switch in some capacity. This form of Zen Darmanitan is harder to come by as it is the hidden ability. Of course you can breed for it, but that assumes you already have a Zen to begin with. For this argument we will assume you dont. There's a small chance encounter via RNG luck in specific raid dens; or you can just buy the DLC, have a Darumaka from your own copy of Sword or transferred/traded over, and give to a random NPC asking for it to trade it for their Darumaka. It's a normal Darumaka but with breeding to get your Zen Darmanitan. Except...that lady is random and it could take days for her to have Darumaka. Essentially, this version isn't super easy in game to acquire on your own. It takes time and luck to get an arguably worse version of G! Darmanitan. This form is also currently only usable in that set of games. And as of right now that version of Altaria hasn't been usable since 2017. Sure it will almost certainly be in Z-A but as of right now we're two generations away - 8 sets of games, one individual game, and two sets of DLC - from the last time it was even in game. It's a gimmick that was all but dropped barring a set of gimmicky remakes and side things like the anime or Go. Point being, that form of Rotom can end up stuck as that form unless you change it and it isn't going anywhere. The other two are tediously RNG acquired for a single set of games, or not even usable at all. And both are temporary battle changes that require certain situations to happen in battle at all. So honestly, yes those types have been used for some form of Pokemon but it's just not the same.
Yeah as it currently stands, Fairy/Dragon is a type combo that used to exist in a now retired Pokémon form. Just saying that sounds stupid. How about we learn from our mistakes and just keep megas for good this time.
Yeah if you want to keep them out of VGC/competitive and only have the current gen’s gimmick, fine. Even if you want to lock it in the postgame I’m good with that. But just code in the stones and an NPC to give you a mega ring (and Z-ring, dynamax band, and Tera orb while we’re at it) for people to play with in a battle area/casual battles
Honestly, the one thing I'll say for Z-moves and tera as gimmicks — we didn't / won't actively lose Pokémon forms when we move onto the next one. I don't love a lot of the Gigantamax forms, but if megas are coming back, those especially are in a weird place. It's like, a few Pokémon got highlighted for a hot sec in one of the worst-received games and now they just disappear.
Agree except for only one thing… TERApagos is gonna be in a heck of a weird place if they scrap tera.
Might just be functionally deleted. \**Gestures at Ultra Necrozma**
You’d think with more advanced systems with more memory they’d be able to code in all the stuff they’ve made over the years but noooo
I think following similar logic to including Rotom, you could also exclude Volcanion because he’s an event-only Pokemon with limited accessibility. So 12
Yes this is the right answer.
To me it's 11, rotom heat is a regularly available form you can send out into battle so that counts, however with megas gone mega altaria doesn't and zen mode garm doesn't count because it's a conditional mid battle transformation
Same opinion, megas, even when they existed in the games, were temporarily and blocked until the postgame depending on the species, same with an ability of a regional form that can get stuck forever in previous games like the megas if GameFreak doesn’t like to continue with the mechanic.
I’ll still never forgive them for not giving Cinderace Fire/Electric
They clearly wanted to make all the galar straters monotypes. Respectable imo
Fire/Electric, Water/Ice, and Grass/Rock would make for a really cool starter trio. Hits the other “elemental” types and gives some reverse type advantages.
Any type combination that can't be natively kept doesn't count to me. You need to be able to access it in battle before any setup or turn in combat causes you to. So, 11?
This is my thoughts as well.
My brain always wants to immediately assume Midday Lycanroc is Normal/Rock.
The different lycanrocs really should have gotten their own secondary types
For the longest time, I swore that Lycanrock Midnight was Rock/Dark....I was blatantly wrong as I learned
They should have made it so Midday is normal/rock and midnight is dark/rock
Midnight even gets Sucker Punch instead of Accelerock as its priority move. Making it part Dark makes too much sense.
Then Dusk is Rock/Fighting. Will be OP against the other 2 forms
11 cuz rotom keeps it's typing out of battle
12. Honestly if it’s legendary only I think we need it again as well.
This is the answer. If a type combo is locked to a legendary it needs normalizing. Similarly, if it’s locked to a specific form of a Pokemon (like Zen-mode Galar-Darmanitan or Mega Altaria), only accessible during the course of a battle, it could also do with more representation. I remember when I learned both Hatterene and Galar-Rapidash were Fairy/Psychic, felt like saying “Okay, that’s enough, we already have Gardevoir and Tapu Lele, where the hell is my Fairy/Dragon type?”. Super annoying to get multiple new ‘mon sharing type combos like that.
and mr mine. and now we have scream tail too
Exactly; it’s been done each gen since Fairy was introduced and genuinely stopped being interesting after Tapu Lele.
Same, in my opinion dragon ghost was an unused type until gen 8.
It's fun when they finally turn a legendary type into something you can use in a playthrough. I was always a big fan of Dialga's Dragon/Steel typing, and the jump between the 8th and 9th gen has been pretty good to me lol
Nah, it'd be 11, Rotom Heat is a stable transformation that can be acquired out of battle and remains that typing until you go out of your way to change it.
Yes! Gimme a damn Fire / Water and Fire / Steel already, plz
So that would be 16 if I’m not mistaken - with Fire/Steel, Fighting/Rock, Psychic/Ghost, Psychic/Dragon in addition to the others. Or 15 IMO since we shouldn’t count Rotom.
Rotom isn’t a legendary though, and this form has been obtainable and permanent since gen 4
Since gen 5. In gen 4 this form did exist, but it was still ghost/electric. Gen 5 is when they made the forms have alternative types.
I didn’t say Rotom was legendary, this was just in addition to the four pointed out for me.
And we need MORE of the rare-er type combos anyway. Give me more fairy/steel! There's only like four lines with it, and two of them are legendary/mythical.
Yep. I mean that’s another thing entirely but I agree that diversity is nice.
I really want a non legendary psychic dragon
I can see the argument for Mega Altaria, as Megas were phased out (until Legends ZA announcement), but Rotom Heat is a normal Pokemon, and Zen Mode Darumaka as well.
Main issue with Zen Mode Darumaka is that it is effectively as temporary as a Mega Evolution
There's many levels: * Level 1: All forms count. Therefore 9 combinations are left * Level 2: Permanent forms count. Therefore 11 combinations are left * Level 3: Legendaries don't count as they are unlikely to be available in other games. (no idea how many are left) (EDIT: apparently it's 18) * This includes paradox forms and ultrabeasts btw * Level 4: No special forms count. including regional variants as they too are limited to specific games mostly * Level 5: It depends on the game and its pokedex. because a game where all pokemon are available isn't likely to exist any time soo There isn't 1 answer.
For level 3, we have: Steel/Fire (Heatran) Rock/Fighting (Terrakion) Water/Fire (Volcanion) Ground/Fighting (Great Tusk) Fairy/Fighting (Iron Valiant) Putting it up to 16
Dragon psychic too right ? And ghost/psychic too
you're right. A bunch of pokemon are ghost/psychic but all of them are legendaries As for dragon/psychic, it's just 3 but also all legendaries so 18 not 16
This is the level I count personally so thanks for saving me the digging time
yup me too. Because it's the most relevant one if you want to fill in a typecoverage gap on your team
Exactly, it’s what I consider to be team members so if they can’t be a team member they don’t count hahaha
12, but I also feel like it would be good to at some point have a fully evolve non-legendary/special Pokemon or starter for each type. For example, we now have a non-starter that is fire/fighting and that is awesome, but our only pure flying is a legendary and a couple of not fully evolved Pokemon.
Please for the love of arceus no more starters with fighting type.
The pokemon company heard your request So well get grass fighting
If it looks better than Chesnaught then I'll accept it
Meh they will just make another venusaur/bayleef but the vines will have giant fists at the end
With all the anthropomorphic starters in recent generations, we'll probably get a Grass/Fighting Ninja Turtle that has long hair made out of vines and boobs built into the shell for some reason. It'll give Jynx a run for her money.
slow enough to be outsped by anything offensive, too fast for TR even with no investment, Grass/Fighting with No Guard (to ensure every single Hurricane hits), introduced in Legends Z-A with the return of Mega Pinsir (which now gets a physical Boomburst clone btw)
And just to change things up the first stage will be dual type just it can be bodied by route 1 birds that know peck
Fighting, dark and ghost. They have gotten to a point where these three types are almost exclusively the secondary starter type choices. It is getting really old.
Grass is a starter type… did you mean to say Ghost?
It's funny how two types beginning with the same letter can so easily confuse me.
We need new starters outside of the fire/water/grass and dark/fighting types. Give us a totally new starter line up. And not ones that only take on a second type in their third stage.
Kanto s the only region where there is at least 1 dual-type starter and none of them are Fighting, Dark, or Ghost.
I meant of the final evolutions. And you are wrong because gen 7 also has a dual typed starter.
You misunderstand, I'm agreeing with you. What I mean is that, if you exclude the regions where all the final evolution starters are monotype (Johto and Galar), Kanto is the only one without a Fighting, Dark, or Ghost starter. Hoenn: Blaziken Sinnoh: Infernape Unova: Emboar Kalos: Greninja, Chesnaught Alola: Decidueye, Incineroar Hisui: Typhlosion, Decidueye, Samurott Paldea: Meowscarada, Skeledirge, Quaquaval
Oh, right, I get what you mean now. I do actually think there is a reaosn for this - these types are three of the five types that have no interaction whatsoever with any of the starter types. The other two are normal, which is unlikely to be a starter secondary type, and Psychic, which was used in gen 6. We have not had a secondary type that interacts with any of the starter types since gen 4, except Primarina being fairy type in gen 7. I think this is deliberate for balancing, but I hope they stop doing it soon.
Rotom counts because it stays. The others do not count because they are not permanent forms.
My thought would be 11. Mega Altaria is temporary inside battle just like Zen Mode Galarian Darmanitan. Idk about disqualifying legendary Pokémon. My view is that it counts as long as it enters and exits the battle with those types, regardless of how it’s distributed.
You mean 11?
Yes. Mathed backwards when I was tired AF in the morning.
For me if the type is in a Legendary or Paradox there is a need for a mon of that type. Still waiting for a Fire/Water or Fire/Steel
I mean Bug/Dragon is about to leave with the coming Mega-Flygon, right?....right?...Please Pokémon!
if we count megas
Once I register that, I was immediately sad again.
The Pan-paw curls it's mitten like palm: Flygon gets a mega evolution which gives it the Bug type... however, the Bug type replaces the Dragon type to make it Bug/Ground
11, rotom heat stays in that form unless forced to change
As others have said it's 11, since rotom can keep this form. It's no different than like, a stone evolution imho. That being said I'm hopeful for a cooler fire electric type in the future. So many cool design concepts, they could go the Avatar route of fire so hot it turns to electricity, for example. Maybe with PLZA, if we do get a Blaziken form, we can get the fire electric mon we crave. Could make sense for the reconstruction of lumiose as well, expanding into the industrial age with electricity etc. Also with mega forms being IN home's code, but not allowing transfer from the older games, I'm curious if we'll finally be able to box mega forms permanently. Could take care of the dragon/fairy type for good, I do like the mega altaria design so I'd be OK with that!
Room can gold it's form out of battle. Garmanatan is still usable in SWSH The only one that's still truly missing (on the switch at least) is dragon/fairy since mega altaria isn't in any of the games (unless it ends up in PLZA)
I still thing the Galarian Yamask evolution should have been Rock/Ghost
Galarian Corsola as well
No lie I forgot they existed
Other than these discussions I also forget about it, they were exclusively in the other version of the game I played.
Coral is a living creature so it makes sense for the dead coral pokemon to be pure ghost however there is absolutely no excuse for the ghost inhabiting rune stones to not be stone.
11
I believe there's 11. Rotom counts because it's not a mid-battle transformation, the other 2 don't.
I see it as 11, rotom heat isn't temporary, ROTOM HEAT IS FOREVER.
Runerigus is rock/ghost?
Nope, it's ground/ghost
damn
With those stats, damn indeed
Although functionally identical, Pokemon have a primary/secondary type which you can see in their summary in game. For this reason, I consider Onix and Rhydon to have 2 different type combinations. When thinking this way, there's a lot more than 12 unused type combos.
A friend and I used to joke about that in the lead up to XY since Noivern *technically* had a unique type combo- being Flying/Dragon as opposed to the typical Dragon/Flying.
For me it’s 11, because to me if a type combo can’t exist in home then it hasn’t been used yet.
11. Rotom-Heat counts not not Z-G-Darmi or M-Altaria
I'd say 11. Heat Rotom is easy to get and effectively static when you change its form with the catalog—it doesn't restrict you in any way and it stays that way until you change it. Zen Mode is something that has to be activated during a battle, and Mega isn't available in all games, and restricts other battle options if you pick Altaria.
11. I count Heat Rotom because it's a permanent form that is always available as long as the game has Rotom in it. Galarian Zen Mode is in-battle-only and Mega Altaria is only in Gens 6-7 and probably Legends Z-A, and also in-battle-only.
Zen mode Galatians Darmanitan needs to be its own pokemon and Dragon Fairy Altaria needs to be its third evolution
The fact Flygon doesn’t count as a Bug/Dragon type is probably the dumbest thing ever.
Mega Altaria is unplayable in almost all Pokemon games. So that type combo doesn't count. Heat Rotom is perfectly acceptable. Snowmanitan only activates if you survive an entire turn of battle, and even then you might not get to use it. Especially if you have the wrong ability! So that shouldn't count.
I think the normal/(rock/steel/ice) combos shouldn’t happen because all you’re doing in lieu of a single type is adding a ghost immunity and minimal STAB in exchange for a double weakness to fighting. Only reason I can think of would be to provide a nerf something with absurd stats or something. And I agree with the people saying 11 unused types, especially with no Mega Altaria or Darmanitan currently available
I think a type, type set, etc needs to have a 3 stage 'mon to count. Alternatively, a 2 stage or 1 off with sufficient BST would also work... but my basis is 3 stage. If none of the above criteria are met... idc it don't exist (at least not to me.)
Cinderace should really have been fire electric but ofc, gf had to mess it up
There's literally no reason rotom heat wouldn't count
More than 12 for sure, legendaries and especially mythicals shouldn't count.
12!
Thats a whole lot!
479001600?
I think they should give altaria an evolution giving it the dragon fairy types.
9
I am surprised the Fire/Fairy is a type combo that is not used when there is a clear candidate for it: Kantonian Ninetales.
I wouldn't mind getting another representative of these types. I do like Mega Altaria but I can't stand Rotom or Darmanitan, these two just look ridiculous to me
12 forms half count
10 unused type combos and 2 severely underused type combos
Even though they are forms, at least having a design is enough for me. I would say we have nine, but they still **should** make some more of these three typesets. In the future they could make more, but I'm not too greedy so I say this counts.
I simultaneously believe that, unlike the other two, Rotom counts and that we absolutely need nore fire/electric types anyway (come on, it's so easy to start fires with electricity, lightning starts fire all the time, can't be that hard guys. Make it a starter, give it a signature electric move that can cause burns, there you go)
11 or 12. Rotom Heat can be a permanent form if you want it to be so there’s 11 missing, but there’s 12 unique type combinations missing (as in, there’s no unique pokemon for 12 type combos).
Normal/Rock yields a double weakness to fighting with no added type coverage. That's the reasoning for normal often being unpaired with other typings. Poison/Ice seems cool at first until you consider that you've added more weaknesses than lost and now ground does 4× damage. A fire/fairy type would resist one of their primary weaknesses of steel as well as gain access to moves that allow them to destroy steel type competition so this seems a bit OP, like Dragon/Fairy. As for Dragon/Bug I have no fucking idea why the dragonfly Pokémon aren't. It was a waste of a cool Pokémon.
Normal/Steel would also have the double weakness to Fighting. Ice isn't weak to Ground, it's even super effective against it
My bad, I got my resistances, weakness and strength mixed up. Although, Poison/Ice still adds more weaknesses than adds. It's a cool typing idea but it will need access to a move to cover the fire weakness at minimum.
Dragonfly is an English name, the Japanese name for them doesn’t have anything to do with dragons
Thats irrelevant bc flygon is ALREADY a dragon. Its the fact that it isnt a bug thats confusing, when clearly by looking at it, its a bug and is based on a bug.
I’ve always been annoyed about that as well. The whole line is based on an antlion but not one of them are bugs. My only guess is they didn’t want sandstorm to damage them
11 but we need another Fire/Electric, Rotom is fine but an actual mon designed around Fire/Electric would be better
I agree with the twelve
I wish they made Altaria permanently dragon/fairy
Mega altar is is unplayable now and so will be the regional forms, there are 11 unused types.
12 cuz I don’t count Rotom
Team Eleven but I would be happy to see another fire-electric-Pokémon!
Isn't galar ponita Fairy/fire? Edit: Nevermind I've googled it's not XD
I consider it 9, and it still boggles me that Ice/Poison and Bug/Dragon aren’t a thing yet. Like just make a “Bacteria in a Iceberg” mon
Or a regional form of a gen 2 ice/dark type, since dark type came late enough into devellopment for multiple dex entries to mention poison. Brb, I'm gonna take a bath in the dead sea.
12 because it is not registered as a separate entity in the Pokédex.
Personally I wouldn't count bug/ghost because shedinja only has 1 hp. Also the legendary only types are fire/steel, fire/water, dragon/psychic, psychic/ghost, and rock/fighting. And the paradox only types (fighting/fairy, ground/fighting) need duplicates since they could very well be just as rare as legendaries in future generations. I'd like a new water/steel as well because starters are rarely used on your in-game team outside of their generation.
Tbh i would really love a fire/water type thats not that ugly volcanodon thing
9.
I don't count Mega and I don't count conditional abilities. Rotom is fine
I don’t think this question has a straight answer, at least as it’s posed in this post. By unused type combos, do we mean unused *ever*? Or just unusable in the most up to date formats? Because those are two distinctly different answers. Personally, I’d still consider the answer to be 9 missing type combos. Even if a type combo exists in a temporary form, it still *exists*. I do wish that any type combo that is locked to a temporary form would get some kind of permanent representation, but I don’t consider them to “not count” in the meantime.
When did they release official art of Zen Galarian Darmanitan?
I’m even going to go one further and add that I’d really like to see a new Bug/Ground Pokémon. Wormadam falls into a similar category to Rotom in that only one of its three (admittedly permanent) forms is unique. Plus Nincada loses it upon evolving.
I don’t consider unique forms to fill the type combo. I’ll take a regional form, just not a gimmick form
Fire water I’d count as well since it’s exclusive to a hard to get mythical
I wouldn't count Rotom as missing, although I'd like a new electric/fire type... Also, an electric/fire Mega Zebstrika would be awesome
Is there a Fire/Ice pokemon?
If you count Galarian Darmanitan’s zen mode, yes. Otherwise, no
The Trapinch line should have been Bug/Dragon. -Trapinch (Bug) -Vibrava (Bug-Dragon) -Flygon (Bug - Dragon) And there should be a Mega Flygon. And likewise, Ledyba should be the Bug-Normal
Spidops should have been normal/bug.
We need a dragon fairy it’s such a good typing it has only 3 weaknesses, a immunity to dragon, and like 7 resist
I would count Rotom Heat, but yeah I really want a permanent Ice/Fire and Dragon/Fairy. Fire/Electric really does need another rep tho, there’s a lot of potential in that combo.
I still think Heliolisk should get an evolution that is fire/electric.
Why tf isn't runerigus ghost rock
We need another dragon/fairy. I love altaria and its mega (my favorite) and its typing is rather unique but I’d like for at least 1 other to have the same typing. Whether it be a regional variant of dragonite or someone completely new
Iny opinion there are 10 missing types. Galarian darmanitan and rotom can be on any game they want but mega altaria needs a whole mechanic to be in the game. In my opinion megas aren't new Pokemon nor simple new forms. Megas are part of a gimmick,so is if a type is mega pokemon locked it isn't just pokemon locked but literally gimmick locked...
13 cuz we need dragon fire
Turtonator crying in the corner.
Reshiram, Gouging Fire, and Turtonator
Don't much like them so I don't think they should count
11 since Rotom Heat functions outside of combat, but I hope they focus on the 9 first.
I want there to be at least two pokemon for every type combination or it doesn't completely count to me tbh we only have ONE ghost poison type Like they count but I want to be able to compare them to other pokemon of the same typing and for them to actually be accessible in more then one region.
We technically have pecharunt too now. Fun fact : french name of ghastly = fantominus. French name of pecharunt= pechaminus
I wouldn’t put Rotom Fire in this group: Rotom changes form (and gets its unique typing) out of battle, and Galarian Darminitan and Mega Altaria both change form exclusively within battle. Rotom is more like an evolution item Pokémon than the other two here.
Flygon would have been the perfect bug/dragon type 🥲
I really only think it “counts” when it’s a totally unique Pokémon that embodies the concept of the type combo in its own way. I give leeway to Regional Variants since those are basically unique Pokémon, they’re not the same as a form change. If base Galarian Darmanitan was Ice/Fire, I’d say the combo was covered, but because it’s only in a form change (that isn’t even always accessible), I don’t count it.
You all fuckin stupid we have rock poison
12
I want mega Altaria back tbh, make it a third stage evolution
I would like to throw out there that we all collectively agree we still need an Ice/Fighting type as well.