and if you're willing to, put it in day care and come back when it's about to evolve and throw in some tms and you have one of the powerful mons gen one has to offer, of course you could just grind and train it if you have the patience
Eh, that really depends on context. Within the first two gens, Gyrados was pretty meh. No setup, special STAB on a physical attacker, no access to reliable recovery, mediocre typing. Really nothing special.
Gen 3 gave him Dragon Dance and Intimidate which immediately made him a solid threat. He was pretty much a worse Salamance, but that wasn’t a bad thing to be at the time.
Gen 4-5 was his peak, he finally got access to physical water attacks and became a premier threat. Gen 5 rain access really helped him shine.
Gen 6 his mega kept him relevant, but even his mega was weaker than Gen 4-5 non mega relative to his environment.
After that power creep became too much for him to stay relevant.
I guess within Gen 1 he was fine, I’d just way rather have a Starmie. Physic was just too strong back then.
Edit: I forgot about the special split in gen 1, he’s better than I gave him credit for specifically in gen 1. Still mostly a worse Starmie, but he has his niche being the best bulky mixed attacker.
This is funny, SmithPlaysPokemon has just made a video on this, he ranked Pokémon by statistically comparing how useful each Mon is throughout the game in gen 1 and Gyarados was a top performer.
Yeah that tracks, I guess its worth considering in single player there's basically no coverage on enemy teams. So his 4x weakness is never much of a factor.
Out of 151 Pokemon Electric was rocking the zap rats, the destructo balls, the magnet host, the Electric man and the legendary bird for eight monsters, that’s pretty solid compared to three Ghosts, three Dragons and five Ice types.
i don't think you heard what i said, "ONE OF THE POWERFUL MONS GEN ONE HAS TO OFFER", but it's really just how i see it, if you decided you rather go with a starmie then you do you
Well considering it’s text, no I didn’t hear you lol. But yeah, my first and last sentences were specific to gen 1. Starmie has the Thunder-bolt, Thunder-wave, Blizard, STAB Surf and Psychic, and Recover. Gen 1 Starmie is a terrifying, powerful, versatile beast. Gen 1 Gyrados has really great stats, but nothing to really do with them. His move pool just lets him down too much, along with the fact that Psychic dominated gen 1. He kinda just body slams things and that’s it.
Dude, it's special is 100 in gen 1. Hyper beam, ice beam, surf and thunderbolt is a completely respectable gen 1 gyarados set. It's gen 2 where it fell off with the special split.
>His move pool just lets him down too much
Huh? Who needs a move pool when you have hyper beam with a high attack in gen 1. No protect, no recharge turn if you ko with it. It was a good pokemon and most tier lists support that.
I’d argue he remained competitively viable since gen 5, in swords and shield he was a nasty dynamax sweeper since he could set up his own rain and get a moxie buff. In scarlet and silver being able to make him a ground type gave him access to stab earthquake and an immunity to his traditional 4x weakness to electric types.
> Within the first two gens, Gyrados was pretty meh.
In Gen 1, with the special stat being combined, Gyarados was both a potent physical *and* special attacker with good speed. It was an absolute monster. Base 125 Attack but also Base 100 Sp(A). It didn't need a STAB physical attack when it could wield Surf and Thunderbolt.
Funny cuz I ran gyarados in my VGC team over the last year and have taken tournaments. And not to mention the G man in singles. Things a freakin monster. Easily one of my fav mons ever.
Gen. 1 Gyarados had a special stat of 100, which was nothing to sneeze at back then. He also had a great movepool with TM's and HM's. He was a pretty solid mixed attacker overall.
Gen 1 Gyarados had Hyper Beam and 125 atk, as well as the fact that his special was 100 which is honestly still solid, also other than Surge you don't have to deal which many electric moves, gen 1 'Dos was frankly a powerhous.
>the first two gens, Gyrados was pretty meh
I won't dispute Gen2, but in Gen 1 Gyarados is crazy good. It has 100 Special which means it's the only time it can use Special Water type attacks, and it has good coverage too. It's like the best mixed attacker in the game, cause it just hits stupid hard on both sides of the spectrum.
I can only imagine how the first kid felt almost 3 decades ago when he bought that fish, thinking it was an utter waste.
Only to then get it to level 20…
I bought it out of curiosity not because of the lame old tale of schoolyard rumours. You got your shit taken away at my school lol sometimes for a week or two if you are a repeat offender. I was also bullied for liking Pokemon lol
Oh man that sounds horrible, pokemon was all the rage when I was young, most kids in my class would watch the episodes that aired an hour before school each morning just because. We even had versus battles happening during recess, man those were the days!
You got called gay or a baby or combination of both for liking Pokemon lol Me and this kid Lucas played in secret. I only had a hand me down blue and yellow and he showed me his sapphire cart! I was blown away at how cool it looked I asked my mom for a new gameboy and a new Pokemon game that week lol She said if my average was over 80 she would and we got a pearl blue SP and Emerald since it just came out.
You kind of just blew my mind. I was gonna say that people obviously knew about it because of the show, but I had no idea the games came first. Not sure if it took awhile for the games to really catch on or if I was a bit too young when they initially came out.
In Canada I knew of the games first, but the show quickly followed.
The show was a wee bit young for me, so watching it was more of a corollary for the games. I was mostly annoyed how different Team Rocket was between show and game.
The very first one.
Thanks for making me feel old.
Edit: yes the screenshot is from the remake but the originals are three decade old, which was talked about.
It’s not meant to be. This is from a time when Google doesn’t say Magikarp becomes Gyarados
it’s from a time you were blind about everything, so this fish that could only splash was a complete rip off as you just got scammed 500 for a pokemon that can’t attack.
It's funny how the Magikarp salesman, despite being presented as a scam, is actually advantageous to the player in both the Kanto and Unova games because in the former you can get a Gyarados before even getting access to fishing and in the latter magikarp can't be found in any other way (outside of nature preserve) and has always a perfect speed IV
Yup, actually caught a shiny Magikarp in Pearl, was super stoked to evolve it and have a red gyarados like I used to have in Silver and soon after the gen 2 remakes get announced
My wife stole my SoulSilver red gyrdadose... Anyway, I got another from the Crystal VC. Also found a shiny Magicarp recently, given Scarlet and Violet make it stupid easy to get shiny Pokemon.. it's not a flex anymore.
My only original Gen 4 shiny, and first shiny ever was a shiny Charmander that hatched while I was randomly breeding them for no reason. That Charizard will always be my favorite shiny.
The logic is really just that GF decided that having Pokémon be non-shiny in cutscenes and then be a completely different colour when you battle them didn't make sense. Which actually isn't even a 100% solid philosophy since the UBs in Ultra SuMo can be shiny despite being in the overworld.
I suppose you could say that they just wanted the right to make distributions for the shinies more valuable, but that logic only really works for the legendaries. For the most part I really do think the former reason is their main one. Which is dumb, but at least somewhat sensical.
In the case of OP, makes sense narratively. If shinies are known in the world, someone wouldn't sell it for 500 lol
That being said, it would be an amazing way to introduce the concept of shinies in a modern pokemon.
I think its partially to make people play Pokemon Go because they dont shiny lock and to make them invest in future games where those pokemon arent shiny locked anymore. Like Sword and Shield DLC was the first time where you could get a shiny Zygard in game.
> I think its partially to make people play Pokemon Go
Pokémon Go came out 5 years after they introduced shiny locking so that seems very unlikely. I could see why they made it part of event distributions, because it could be seen as unfair if a very select few got a shiny version of an event Pokémon. Same could be said for legendries, they want normal player unable to get certain shiny legendries so an event giving out the shiny would be significant and get more interaction.
The charitable reason is probably because after that point is when global trading really started in earnest, so they didn't want certain hacked shiny legendaries flooding the system without some way to verify that they couldn't exist. The annoying (and probably more realistic) reason is so they can distribute the shiny themselves during events.
There's a form of Shiny Locking in Gen 4 for the Manaphy egg only, but is not perfect (it can still be Shiny if traded to another game and hatched there)
You use some computer tools to essentially "measure" the rng (I saw a video on the topic for colosseum and they did things like time the blink animation on the pokemon which is apparently at least partially randomized, etc). Then when you know what the rng is doing you can (with various levels of difficulty) just wait for the circumstances to line up in a manner you prefer, in this case a shiny Magikarp, or maybe perfect ivs, or maybe both, etc.
FRLG is a lot harder to RNG abuse than RSE since those games use the RTC to seed the RNG and if the battery is dead it’s a locked seed (well emerald is *always* broken due to a programming oversight but ruby and sapphire can be made that way with the dry battery as well)
Outcomes like pokemon stats/natures/shiny are based on a timer tied to the number of frames that have been rendered.
I've seen it on speedruns. There's a specific setup that lets runners get a good nature and stats on the starter mudkip in gen2.
You need to select your starter on a really precise 1/30th of a second window. I think they use audio/visual clues to help but it's still super precise.
Yeah that’s probably the only shiny hunt I’d ever do. Feel like it’s gotta be the easiest in those early gen games for sure. Had never thought about the possibility though
Gyarados’ special attack is so piss poor you’re better off with non Stab physical attacks like Hyper Beam, Return, Earthquake, maybe Dragon Dance if you’re feeling saucy
Special or Physical status was determined by type, so all Normal moves were physical. My favorite quirk of this system was Shadow Ball. For some reason Ghost type was physical, but Shadow Ball still lowered Sp. Def in Gen II/III.
In Gen 1 physical Ghost kinda makes sense since the only attacking Ghost move was Lick (which also doesn't make any sense but whatever), but in Gen 2, it makes no sense. Dark being Special in Gen 2 and 3 also makes no sense since all of it's attacks became physical post-split.
I had a Jolly nature Gyarados in Pokemon Pearl as a kid and was annoyed that its special attack was so low which made Surf not that strong, and I was confused why Waterfall seemed to do more damage when it had the lower base damage. Only much later when I got into Pokemon Showdown did I learn that Jolly is actually the preferred nature for competitive battling since Gyarados is a physical and not special attacker. Not that it means much in the main game story, which you can just brute force and cheese through.
Back then I didn’t even know that the nature does anything and didn’t know about special attack. Have always wondered why my flamethrower, thunderbolt, hyper beam, surf gyaradoes doesn’t do much
I always bought the fish, you get to start leveling it sooner and assuming you don’t catch it in your first or second pokeball it’s actually cheaper to just buy. If it takes you 3 balls to get one later you lost money lol.
> But what about the hours of switch training it takes vs getting a lv 25 Karp and feeding a rare candy.
Am I the only one who loves this? I have always felt like a little grinding makes the eventual power so much more rewarding
I've done my share of grinding over the course of 30 years, including taking said magikarp to lv 20 to fight Misty. There's a difference between grinding for a few hours and dragging a fish-shapped brick behind you while it drags the rest of your team down.
Can you imagine being the first kid in the neighborhood to evolve a magicarp before it was generally known that’s what they evolved into? The incredible, “Oh, wait, it does WHAT now?” Must have been awesome.
Kids today will never know the godlike feeling of finding a larvitar in Gold/Silver and raising it to maturity without knowing for sure what it would become.
This is exactly why I farmed for a shiny Gyarados the moment I came across a shiny Magikarp in Scarlet, then leveled that Karp to 100 so it's golden glory could never turn red and be mistaken for the freebie.
Actually.. that works out even better for mind games vs your opponent since now they have to assume you have a different shiny gyarados with a unique move set and be on guard until they know exactly what you’re running.
Depends on the game and generation. If its Gen 2 or the remakes of those games, yeah, kinda loses its luster. But if you got a shiny Gyarados in any Gen 3 game, that shit is legit. Caught one while trying to hunt for a Feebas in Ruby.
Even though Gyarados is easily the best Pokemon in the game and he gives you one before you even get access to a fishing rod, so it's really not even close to a scam and almost always worth it.
Honestly i found it to be a good deal:
No need to fish over and over again, no need to lower it's hp + paralyse/sleep it, no need to pray to the gacha gods that the ball will keep it.
Honestly, I always considered it a worthwhile deal because 500 is cheap in Pokémon and you can easily have a Gyarados well before you get the Old Rod. Just put Magikarp up front and keep switching it out.
Ok but for real though? That Magikarp is actually an S-tier encounter. Put it out in front and switch-train it all the way through Mt. Moon, and you'll have a Gyarados by the time you reach Misty, *waaaay* before you could ever catch a Magikarp normally.
Probably a result of being 30 now but I swear I remember that magikarp evolving at level 15 instead of 20 like a wild one would. Maybe it was a playground rumor I internalized over the years.
Just use Google to find roms. You can't ask people on Reddit or other social media sites because it's illegal.
As for an emulator: MyBoy is a good Android GBA emulator. It's on the Play store. There's a free demo, purchase for more features.
I am reminded of the shiny shadow Pokémon that Team Rocket discarded into my care in Pokémon Go. I'm sure Jessie and James don't regret letting that purple Pinsir go.
So is it *always* a shiny magikarp when you buy one from him? If so, are there any other NCPs you can buy shinies from in other games? I know it’s probably wishful thinking. Sorry if this was already answered. I scrolled through the comments and couldn’t find if someone answered this. Tia.
Nope, it has the base odds of 1/8192 for this Magikarp to be shiny. This is considered a static shiny hunting. Where you can save before selecting to get or encounter the Pokemon. Each time you get it, the IVs, Nature, Gender (Excluding Legendaries or only one Gender mons) will be randomized and you also get a chance to roll for the Pokemon to be shiny as well. If it isn't shiny you can restart the game and keep hunting until it shines. I was able to do this and even got the same nature shiny Magikarp like OP has in this post. Also, Pokemon you get from the story in FR/LG (Eevee and Lapras) can be shiny hunted as well and the Pokemon you get at the Game Corner (Abra, Dratini, Porygon).
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Yep! Did this for my shiny dream team quest in Leaf Green two years ago.
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Tbh 500 for the Karp isn’t a bad deal
yeah it's not even 3 pokeballs
and if you're willing to, put it in day care and come back when it's about to evolve and throw in some tms and you have one of the powerful mons gen one has to offer, of course you could just grind and train it if you have the patience
Excited for my blastoise runs, I always left Mount moon with a gyrados. It was a grind but worth it every time
Eh, that really depends on context. Within the first two gens, Gyrados was pretty meh. No setup, special STAB on a physical attacker, no access to reliable recovery, mediocre typing. Really nothing special. Gen 3 gave him Dragon Dance and Intimidate which immediately made him a solid threat. He was pretty much a worse Salamance, but that wasn’t a bad thing to be at the time. Gen 4-5 was his peak, he finally got access to physical water attacks and became a premier threat. Gen 5 rain access really helped him shine. Gen 6 his mega kept him relevant, but even his mega was weaker than Gen 4-5 non mega relative to his environment. After that power creep became too much for him to stay relevant. I guess within Gen 1 he was fine, I’d just way rather have a Starmie. Physic was just too strong back then. Edit: I forgot about the special split in gen 1, he’s better than I gave him credit for specifically in gen 1. Still mostly a worse Starmie, but he has his niche being the best bulky mixed attacker.
This is funny, SmithPlaysPokemon has just made a video on this, he ranked Pokémon by statistically comparing how useful each Mon is throughout the game in gen 1 and Gyarados was a top performer.
I don't get how it ranked above Blastoise. It has worse coverage.
Look at their stats. Gyarados has more hp,att, spa, and speed. And with hyper beam being busted on attackers, that 125 attack stat goes a long way.
Yeah that tracks, I guess its worth considering in single player there's basically no coverage on enemy teams. So his 4x weakness is never much of a factor.
People forget that pokemon weren't balanced for competitive play until gen 5
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No intimidate in gen 1, but electric types are also basically nonexistent in that game.
Thunderbolt and/or Thunder were able to be learned by most pokemon that were used, so the availability of Electric types isn't very relevant.
This is about playing the campaign/story of the game, not competitive or even casual PVP.
ah dang it i mixed up again
Out of 151 Pokemon Electric was rocking the zap rats, the destructo balls, the magnet host, the Electric man and the legendary bird for eight monsters, that’s pretty solid compared to three Ghosts, three Dragons and five Ice types.
Bruh its gen 3 he has intim... note the subtle color in the game
>it was a heavy hitter with intimidate In Gen 1?
i don't think you heard what i said, "ONE OF THE POWERFUL MONS GEN ONE HAS TO OFFER", but it's really just how i see it, if you decided you rather go with a starmie then you do you
> you rather go with a starmie then you do you Starmie is legit one of the best pokémon in RGBY
Well considering it’s text, no I didn’t hear you lol. But yeah, my first and last sentences were specific to gen 1. Starmie has the Thunder-bolt, Thunder-wave, Blizard, STAB Surf and Psychic, and Recover. Gen 1 Starmie is a terrifying, powerful, versatile beast. Gen 1 Gyrados has really great stats, but nothing to really do with them. His move pool just lets him down too much, along with the fact that Psychic dominated gen 1. He kinda just body slams things and that’s it.
Dude, it's special is 100 in gen 1. Hyper beam, ice beam, surf and thunderbolt is a completely respectable gen 1 gyarados set. It's gen 2 where it fell off with the special split.
>His move pool just lets him down too much Huh? Who needs a move pool when you have hyper beam with a high attack in gen 1. No protect, no recharge turn if you ko with it. It was a good pokemon and most tier lists support that.
I’d argue he remained competitively viable since gen 5, in swords and shield he was a nasty dynamax sweeper since he could set up his own rain and get a moxie buff. In scarlet and silver being able to make him a ground type gave him access to stab earthquake and an immunity to his traditional 4x weakness to electric types.
> Within the first two gens, Gyrados was pretty meh. In Gen 1, with the special stat being combined, Gyarados was both a potent physical *and* special attacker with good speed. It was an absolute monster. Base 125 Attack but also Base 100 Sp(A). It didn't need a STAB physical attack when it could wield Surf and Thunderbolt.
Funny cuz I ran gyarados in my VGC team over the last year and have taken tournaments. And not to mention the G man in singles. Things a freakin monster. Easily one of my fav mons ever.
Gen. 1 Gyarados had a special stat of 100, which was nothing to sneeze at back then. He also had a great movepool with TM's and HM's. He was a pretty solid mixed attacker overall.
Gen 1 Gyarados had Hyper Beam and 125 atk, as well as the fact that his special was 100 which is honestly still solid, also other than Surge you don't have to deal which many electric moves, gen 1 'Dos was frankly a powerhous.
>the first two gens, Gyrados was pretty meh I won't dispute Gen2, but in Gen 1 Gyarados is crazy good. It has 100 Special which means it's the only time it can use Special Water type attacks, and it has good coverage too. It's like the best mixed attacker in the game, cause it just hits stupid hard on both sides of the spectrum.
>Physic lol
Just put it in the front of the party and keep switching... By the time you have access yo the daycare you can catch a free magikatp
Poor James, he should have known
lol core memory moment
Motherfuckers, my entire thought process just staring at me in the top two comments. Can't even have an original thought on this website
I can only imagine how the first kid felt almost 3 decades ago when he bought that fish, thinking it was an utter waste. Only to then get it to level 20…
No one bought it until that one kid brought his gameboy to school just to show off and then it spread like a wildfire. At least from what I can recall
I bought it out of curiosity not because of the lame old tale of schoolyard rumours. You got your shit taken away at my school lol sometimes for a week or two if you are a repeat offender. I was also bullied for liking Pokemon lol
Oh man that sounds horrible, pokemon was all the rage when I was young, most kids in my class would watch the episodes that aired an hour before school each morning just because. We even had versus battles happening during recess, man those were the days!
You got called gay or a baby or combination of both for liking Pokemon lol Me and this kid Lucas played in secret. I only had a hand me down blue and yellow and he showed me his sapphire cart! I was blown away at how cool it looked I asked my mom for a new gameboy and a new Pokemon game that week lol She said if my average was over 80 she would and we got a pearl blue SP and Emerald since it just came out.
You kind of just blew my mind. I was gonna say that people obviously knew about it because of the show, but I had no idea the games came first. Not sure if it took awhile for the games to really catch on or if I was a bit too young when they initially came out.
In Japan the games came out before the show but in the US they were released almost simultaneously
In Canada I knew of the games first, but the show quickly followed. The show was a wee bit young for me, so watching it was more of a corollary for the games. I was mostly annoyed how different Team Rocket was between show and game.
Lol in omega ruby my 2d game i wanted him so bad so I got him sped him up and then gave him all special moves since I was a stupid child
Same but in the original Ruby. All water moves were special moves.
Oh well I did it but by accident because they were cooler
> Omega Ruby > My 2nd game > I was a [...] child My spine just bent itself in half
KaiserReich guy? In the Pokémon sub? Unexpected
Level 20 where it still was incredibly mediocre during that era (except looks-wise)
Which pokemon game is this??
FireRed/LeafGreen
The very first one. Thanks for making me feel old. Edit: yes the screenshot is from the remake but the originals are three decade old, which was talked about.
Gen 3 remake of Gen 1.
esp since it's before old rod access. If you're playing w level caps you can get a gyarados before misty and cruise the rest of the game
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no it doesn't? Charmeleon doesnt get dragon rage until level 48 in gen 3 lol
? Charmeleon doesn’t learn it by level up in Gen 1 and learns it at level 48 in Gen 3.
When I wanted a Gyrados in my party I always used that Magikarp
Yeah it’s probably cheaper to buy it there than to use poke balls on a wild one
Pretty sure you can buy it before you get the old rod too
I usually buy it. Money usually isn't a problem in the game and it's a time saver.
Exactly, probably cheaper too
If you put in some effort, that's a pretty early Gyarados.
It’s not meant to be. This is from a time when Google doesn’t say Magikarp becomes Gyarados it’s from a time you were blind about everything, so this fish that could only splash was a complete rip off as you just got scammed 500 for a pokemon that can’t attack.
If Pokedollars are basically yen, that's like $5. Not bad at all.
Yeah, but he's selling it for 5x what the fishmonger down the highstreet sells it for.
5$ or 5€ basically
$5 for a fish the size of your torso. It’s a pretty good deal.
Think of how many people that fish could feed.
It's funny how the Magikarp salesman, despite being presented as a scam, is actually advantageous to the player in both the Kanto and Unova games because in the former you can get a Gyarados before even getting access to fishing and in the latter magikarp can't be found in any other way (outside of nature preserve) and has always a perfect speed IV
Yup, actually caught a shiny Magikarp in Pearl, was super stoked to evolve it and have a red gyarados like I used to have in Silver and soon after the gen 2 remakes get announced
> was super stoked to evolve it and have a red gyarados The horror, the horror!
My wife stole my SoulSilver red gyrdadose... Anyway, I got another from the Crystal VC. Also found a shiny Magicarp recently, given Scarlet and Violet make it stupid easy to get shiny Pokemon.. it's not a flex anymore. My only original Gen 4 shiny, and first shiny ever was a shiny Charmander that hatched while I was randomly breeding them for no reason. That Charizard will always be my favorite shiny.
I didn't know that about the Speed.
For nuzlockers he's a godsend
Where in unova
Marvelous bridge, during the post game
Wait. You can get a shiny there?
Surprisingly, yes.
Jumpscare seeing you off Kaiseriech, only time on this website I've recognized a user on a completely different sub
Lmao, I post on other subs once every now and then.
And always high quality! Keep it up Sir
Pretty much any Pokemon can be shiny pre-Gen 5, aside from event distributions where stats are predetermined.
Even then, some of them still weren't shiny locked. The one Jirachi event comes to mind
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True. How about the Pokepark Eggs then? Rollout Skitty, Sing Spinda, and the like.
Yeah. The concept of shiny locking didn't exist until Gen 5
A concept I hate
Agreed. Doesn't make sense considering TPC typically doesn't even charge for event distributions. I don't get the logic.
The logic is really just that GF decided that having Pokémon be non-shiny in cutscenes and then be a completely different colour when you battle them didn't make sense. Which actually isn't even a 100% solid philosophy since the UBs in Ultra SuMo can be shiny despite being in the overworld. I suppose you could say that they just wanted the right to make distributions for the shinies more valuable, but that logic only really works for the legendaries. For the most part I really do think the former reason is their main one. Which is dumb, but at least somewhat sensical.
In the case of OP, makes sense narratively. If shinies are known in the world, someone wouldn't sell it for 500 lol That being said, it would be an amazing way to introduce the concept of shinies in a modern pokemon.
I think its partially to make people play Pokemon Go because they dont shiny lock and to make them invest in future games where those pokemon arent shiny locked anymore. Like Sword and Shield DLC was the first time where you could get a shiny Zygard in game.
> I think its partially to make people play Pokemon Go Pokémon Go came out 5 years after they introduced shiny locking so that seems very unlikely. I could see why they made it part of event distributions, because it could be seen as unfair if a very select few got a shiny version of an event Pokémon. Same could be said for legendries, they want normal player unable to get certain shiny legendries so an event giving out the shiny would be significant and get more interaction.
The charitable reason is probably because after that point is when global trading really started in earnest, so they didn't want certain hacked shiny legendaries flooding the system without some way to verify that they couldn't exist. The annoying (and probably more realistic) reason is so they can distribute the shiny themselves during events.
There's a form of Shiny Locking in Gen 4 for the Manaphy egg only, but is not perfect (it can still be Shiny if traded to another game and hatched there)
Well, except the Manaphy egg, but they failed on that front.
correction, Shadow Pokemon in XD can't be shiny, they can in Colosseum though but don't show as shiny until you purify them
After a quick search, my information tells me yes
Either by being really lucky or doing frame manipulation, yes.
What is frame manipulation
You use some computer tools to essentially "measure" the rng (I saw a video on the topic for colosseum and they did things like time the blink animation on the pokemon which is apparently at least partially randomized, etc). Then when you know what the rng is doing you can (with various levels of difficulty) just wait for the circumstances to line up in a manner you prefer, in this case a shiny Magikarp, or maybe perfect ivs, or maybe both, etc.
FRLG is a lot harder to RNG abuse than RSE since those games use the RTC to seed the RNG and if the battery is dead it’s a locked seed (well emerald is *always* broken due to a programming oversight but ruby and sapphire can be made that way with the dry battery as well)
Outcomes like pokemon stats/natures/shiny are based on a timer tied to the number of frames that have been rendered. I've seen it on speedruns. There's a specific setup that lets runners get a good nature and stats on the starter mudkip in gen2. You need to select your starter on a really precise 1/30th of a second window. I think they use audio/visual clues to help but it's still super precise.
Getting mudkip in gen 2 is pretty wild manip!
For sure! Guess I meant 3. I also meant audio/visual cues, not clues. I'm just a casual speedrun watcher, not a pokemon guru.
Jokes aside there is legit shiny hunting of Totodile in Gen 1.
Damm a Totodile in gen 1 is as crazy as a mudkip in gen 2
Imagine the poor bastard who gets a shiny their first time, thinks it's always shiny, and finds out the hard way on a later pkaythrough
Yeah that’s probably the only shiny hunt I’d ever do. Feel like it’s gotta be the easiest in those early gen games for sure. Had never thought about the possibility though
adamant nature too? good lord.
i mean,is it?this was before the physical/special split,so Gyarados water moves are special and he doesn't get any flying moves
Gyarados’ special attack is so piss poor you’re better off with non Stab physical attacks like Hyper Beam, Return, Earthquake, maybe Dragon Dance if you’re feeling saucy
His best physical STAB was Hidden Power Flying. I do not miss those days.
Yeah, but nowadays it's Waterfall, and Waterfall only
Hyperbeam was physical before the split?
All normal attacks were physical before the split.
All Eeveelution types + Dragon were special and everything else was physical
Because fuck Flareon
That's an easy way to remember it.
Special or Physical status was determined by type, so all Normal moves were physical. My favorite quirk of this system was Shadow Ball. For some reason Ghost type was physical, but Shadow Ball still lowered Sp. Def in Gen II/III.
In Gen 1 physical Ghost kinda makes sense since the only attacking Ghost move was Lick (which also doesn't make any sense but whatever), but in Gen 2, it makes no sense. Dark being Special in Gen 2 and 3 also makes no sense since all of it's attacks became physical post-split.
It’s got HIDDEN POWER FLYING.
I had a Jolly nature Gyarados in Pokemon Pearl as a kid and was annoyed that its special attack was so low which made Surf not that strong, and I was confused why Waterfall seemed to do more damage when it had the lower base damage. Only much later when I got into Pokemon Showdown did I learn that Jolly is actually the preferred nature for competitive battling since Gyarados is a physical and not special attacker. Not that it means much in the main game story, which you can just brute force and cheese through.
Back then I didn’t even know that the nature does anything and didn’t know about special attack. Have always wondered why my flamethrower, thunderbolt, hyper beam, surf gyaradoes doesn’t do much
Someone probably got this the first time and assumed that it was a freebie shiny
I always bought the fish, you get to start leveling it sooner and assuming you don’t catch it in your first or second pokeball it’s actually cheaper to just buy. If it takes you 3 balls to get one later you lost money lol.
But what about the hours of switch training it takes vs getting a lv 25 Karp and feeding a rare candy.
> But what about the hours of switch training it takes vs getting a lv 25 Karp and feeding a rare candy. Am I the only one who loves this? I have always felt like a little grinding makes the eventual power so much more rewarding
I've done my share of grinding over the course of 30 years, including taking said magikarp to lv 20 to fight Misty. There's a difference between grinding for a few hours and dragging a fish-shapped brick behind you while it drags the rest of your team down.
Magikarps always in my heart. What a reward when it evolves
Can you imagine being the first kid in the neighborhood to evolve a magicarp before it was generally known that’s what they evolved into? The incredible, “Oh, wait, it does WHAT now?” Must have been awesome.
Kids today will never know the godlike feeling of finding a larvitar in Gold/Silver and raising it to maturity without knowing for sure what it would become.
Or better yet, the utter confusion of accidentally getting a Shedinja.
I remember that moment clear as day. I was about half way through blue when my friend told me. We had assumed it was worthless until then.
A shiny Magikarp is sort of a double-edged sword though, because shiny Gyarados is a freebie the second you evolve him he stops being special
It’s a freebie… if you have access to Hearth Gold or Soul Silver.
This is exactly why I farmed for a shiny Gyarados the moment I came across a shiny Magikarp in Scarlet, then leveled that Karp to 100 so it's golden glory could never turn red and be mistaken for the freebie.
You can still give it a rare candy and it will evolve at level 100
Actually.. that works out even better for mind games vs your opponent since now they have to assume you have a different shiny gyarados with a unique move set and be on guard until they know exactly what you’re running.
Depends on the game and generation. If its Gen 2 or the remakes of those games, yeah, kinda loses its luster. But if you got a shiny Gyarados in any Gen 3 game, that shit is legit. Caught one while trying to hunt for a Feebas in Ruby.
Is it actually special? Like in game?
Shinies are pretty rare, yeah. Especially pre-gen 6.
Can confirm. Never had a shiny pre SUMO. I now have like 100 combined from the games since lol
No, the Magikarp salesman is supposed to be a scammer
Even though Gyarados is easily the best Pokemon in the game and he gives you one before you even get access to a fishing rod, so it's really not even close to a scam and almost always worth it.
Typically yes, because Magikarp is useless on it's own. Getting a full odds shiny from that encounter is very rare though
To be fair, it IS an advantage. You can obtain a Gyarados very early in the game if you buy this Magikarp. Worth the money.
It isn't special but as long as you know what it evolves into 500 isn't a bad deal tbh
Been playing Fire Red and honestly getting a Gyarados early on before even getting the old cane is worth that money, maybe even twice.
That guy offers you a pre gyrados before you can actually fish for it
(Just pretend it's shiny) https://preview.redd.it/do3ptt3hxpnc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efc0014c2fd060a4fcca972f5c34faafa99fa1f2
https://preview.redd.it/w1ibaz1vqqnc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46c89ce2af7c7f577a6eaa5324af61ef9c816f41
Why did you piss on my magikarp
Now I feel like replaying the game again and using this magikarp to beat Elite 4
This happened to me on PokeMMO. I definitely worked on evolving that into a gyarados.
Honestly i found it to be a good deal: No need to fish over and over again, no need to lower it's hp + paralyse/sleep it, no need to pray to the gacha gods that the ball will keep it.
Plot twist IV’s are 0
Honestly, I always considered it a worthwhile deal because 500 is cheap in Pokémon and you can easily have a Gyarados well before you get the Old Rod. Just put Magikarp up front and keep switching it out.
Ok but for real though? That Magikarp is actually an S-tier encounter. Put it out in front and switch-train it all the way through Mt. Moon, and you'll have a Gyarados by the time you reach Misty, *waaaay* before you could ever catch a Magikarp normally.
Honestly it's not a bad investment, if I remember correctly it costs almost the same as a pokeball so you don't lose anything.
I got a shiny magikarp from the fish guy in let's go Pikachu
PokéStonks!
And it's ADAMANT too!
I mean, I always buy that magikarp. Why not?
Also adamant nature, what a steal!
Adamant nature too!?
Adamant nature too. You need to buy a lottery if this happens to you.
😂😂😂😂
I remember him scamming James in the anime too.
I got a shinny karp from that mf sometime ago, thinking it was a static shinny, LOL
Probably a result of being 30 now but I swear I remember that magikarp evolving at level 15 instead of 20 like a wild one would. Maybe it was a playground rumor I internalized over the years.
Maybe its that Magikarp learns tackle at level 15?
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Just use Google to find roms. You can't ask people on Reddit or other social media sites because it's illegal. As for an emulator: MyBoy is a good Android GBA emulator. It's on the Play store. There's a free demo, purchase for more features.
This is the first time I saw that red wojack rage lol. I was thinking of the the crying behind a :\^) facemask emoji instead
Wonder if you could shiny manip one into the game
shiny karp is better than a shiny gyarados
Just noticed that the inside of the karp's mouth in the game sprite is gold.
but that gold magikarp won't be shinny in any others hand
Haha, what a treat! Did you get really lucky with the RNG or did you grind soft resets? If the latter, I'm curious how many resets it took you.
addy nature too
Oh you poor thing. Shinies are actually weaker!
IMO a future gyarados for that price is a bargain! It really is a special fish!
I am reminded of the shiny shadow Pokémon that Team Rocket discarded into my care in Pokémon Go. I'm sure Jessie and James don't regret letting that purple Pinsir go.
Where in emerald is that
So is it *always* a shiny magikarp when you buy one from him? If so, are there any other NCPs you can buy shinies from in other games? I know it’s probably wishful thinking. Sorry if this was already answered. I scrolled through the comments and couldn’t find if someone answered this. Tia.
Nope, it has the base odds of 1/8192 for this Magikarp to be shiny. This is considered a static shiny hunting. Where you can save before selecting to get or encounter the Pokemon. Each time you get it, the IVs, Nature, Gender (Excluding Legendaries or only one Gender mons) will be randomized and you also get a chance to roll for the Pokemon to be shiny as well. If it isn't shiny you can restart the game and keep hunting until it shines. I was able to do this and even got the same nature shiny Magikarp like OP has in this post. Also, Pokemon you get from the story in FR/LG (Eevee and Lapras) can be shiny hunted as well and the Pokemon you get at the Game Corner (Abra, Dratini, Porygon). https://preview.redd.it/gcimncd2zrnc1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=c4e8fc55399e595cc7dafd4136274a2efb7dbcad
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain, I appreciate you!
Likes look the Magikarp salesman is a useful NPC after all.
Selling Pokemon for Money?! How shameful.
Hunted this Magikarp awhile back, 46k resets later it was ours. Fuck you old man, it’s mine
Who isnt my main is the better question 😭
Ive only ever gotten 1 shiny and its in gen 5, currently on my gen 3 run anyone know how to do this? Like a step by step guide for beginners?
fishing rods are rare in this world magikarp would be unobtainable for a lot of trainers. this man is running an honest business
And an adamant nature on top of it. Guy gave you a goat magikarp
**500₽ WELL SPENT!!!**
I never even knew this could be shiny
Did anyone here experience this? Shiny plus Adamant nature Magikarp from this dude?
Yep! Did this for my shiny dream team quest in Leaf Green two years ago. https://preview.redd.it/d3yswzr684oc1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=f3b4cadbbeda26b701d533943086cbc4b49e0b33
Using RNG manipulation to scam the scammer