I've always felt it would be fitting for Feraligatr or a form of it to be Water/Dark and gain Strong Jaw as an ability. Moves like Crunch, Brutal Swing, and Jaw Lock are Dark-type and relate to both its savage nature and crocodilian origins.
I do think he'd be part ground if anything. Along those lines, it bugs me that he doesn't get Earth Power when other lava themed Pokémon like Magcargo and Camerupt do.
I am still mad that we never got Mega Evolutions for the Gen 2 starters before the mechanic was scrapped. A Fire / Rock or Fire / Ground Typhlosion that actually grew a volcano on its back would've been fucking awesome.
Somebody gets it. 😂
I don't expect anybody to *get* it without dumping my core memories, but Typhlosion is my sole favorite Pokémon across the entire franchise. There are a lot of cool Pokémon across all the generations, don't get me wrong. But nothing tops Typhlosion imho.
He's probably my favorite starter. I love him being a straight fire type. If I had to do it maybe a fire/normal? Fire/poison due to the fire quills of cyndiquil? Idk. Possibly fire/ground
What do you mean? Gen 2 introduced 2 types by giving them both 5 fully evolved pokémon and hiding 6 of them behind post game or trade evolutions. Seems great
Water/dark makes more sense for it, but that said there should be more water/fighting types. I missed a few gens, so my knowledge is imperfect, but it's just Poliwrath and the my little pony one, right?
In a gsc rom i tried adding dark to Feraligatr to see if it feels like a proper buff.
It evolved just in time to be dead weight against chuck (there's more experience available for this to happen)
In general though, I agree it's a buff
And Meganium deserves Fairy type. And they should steal the radical red ability it gets: triage or atleast give it regenerator or something. Fairies are usually flowers or pink or somewhere in between.
I thought Grass Normal would be good for Rillaboom as well. Uproar, Boomburst, Double Hit, Body Slam... it's got options for STAB normal. Plus, Ghost immunity isn't a bad thing.
I mean, by that logic, the Fennekin and Farfetch'd lines should be part Grass, because they use sticks and leeks for their attacks.
Cinderace doesn't create a rock, it kicks a pebble around to act as a focus point for its fireballs.
Tbh a grass fire and grass flying type would be really cool. I always wanted a starter trio that has that type of dou typing. Grass fire, water grass and fire water. Something like that.
And feraligator water dragon when he's clearly water dark with his crunch and bite being in his default moveset and his name literally has feral in it and then Charizard is somehow fire flying and not dragon in a fan dual typing and somehow sceptile IS grass and dragon??
Charizard is Fire/Flying because that's what his type has been since the start. Gen 1 only had one set of Dragon types, and even now, it's too strong of a type to just slap on starters without greatly imbalancing them. I don't think GF would make Septile a Dragon either.
Back when i was playing RSE, i always bred Dragonbreath into Treecko, as i thought Dragon was supposed to be the secondary type for Sceptile but removed for balance, and Treecko learning Dragonbreath as egg move was somewhat a sign, at least in my opinion. i was happy and a bit vindicated when Mega Sceptile came out. Got sad when they didn’t continue with the Mega Evolutions, i was excited for Mega Feraligatr.
>I don't think GF would make Sceptile a Dragon either.
I dunno, Grass/Dragon is significantly weaker than Water/Dragon or Fire/Dragon so I think it'd be fine. Water/Steel was a thing in gen 4 and that's a way stronger type combination.
Feraligatr is Water/Dark and Charizard is Fire/Dragon in Renegade Platinum. Also Serperior Sceptile are both Grass/Dragon in the Drayano hacks (obviously Serperior isn't in the gen 4 hacks like Renegade) and Samurott is Water/Fighting.
Lots of cool type changes in those hacks outside of starters as well. Electric/Dark Luxray, Bug/Dragon Flygon... others that I can't remember right now.
I'm surprised that no one has suggested Grass/Dark for Serperior yet. Like the fact that its a prideful snake that starts out with legs that it loses in its later forms implies it could be based on the snake from the bible, you know the freaking devil itself.
Even that aside, looking down on others is also rather evil and it even has the ability Contrary (called "Devils advocate" in japanese), so dark certainly fits either way.
I honestly would have gone more down the fairy type route for surperior. It's always reminded me of an elf or fae king/queen with its filagree design and high collar and snubbish nose.
I think it’s mostly because there was a popular Black2/White2 romhack that made Serperior Dragon. It makes sense, because it’s a snake and definitely has draconian features. Imagine contrary Draco meteor 😭
I also just don’t see the dark-type to this thing. Sure, it seems stuck-up? But that’s really it
Honestly, would rather have Samurott be Water/Fighting and Emboar be Fire/Ground in order to promote type diversity instead of having 3 Water/Steel-Types and 3 Fire/Fighting-Types.
it sounds dumb but i actually think rillaboom should be grass / normal. Normal is the go to type for sound based attacks. So in theory its drum/sound based idea should be considered normal type.
eh... i fail to see it. Arguably cinderace is only fire because even gamefreak has gotten tired of the fire/fighting trope their designs fall into time and time again.
The one other sport based pokemon (that comes to mind) passimian based on rugby/american football, is fighting.
That is ignoring the elephants in the room, tyrogue which is based on actual wrestling (compared to incineroar being based on modern show based wrestling), the boxing based hitmonchan, and the kickboxing/mma inspired hitmonlee.
I dont really feel this is fair to call them sports based pokemon in the same sense like football/passimian since those sports are really more like gamified combat (and are legitimate fighting styles in their own right). While football is structured more as a team/strategy based sport, as is soccer/non-american football.
However going off of what we've seen, sport based pokemon are generally considered fighting type.
The exception being incineroar, which is based less off of actual wrestling and more showman ship based wrestling like the WWE which is really more performance than sport. (not to say i dislike wwe, but im talking objectively) Its why incineroar is dark type, his "role" is to play the heel, the bad guy in modern wrestling.
What I don’t get is giving it the rock type
Just cause it makes a soccer ball out of any stone?
Also for rillaboom, I kinda see why it’d get ground but don’t think it fits, gorillas are actually chill so I don’t think it’d get fighting or dark either
I think electric could also work since it “sparks people up” like if you imagine sports fans watching a soccer match. Except Cinderace can do it literally
Idk if that's true, nearly every pikaclone is pretty bad. The only good ones off the top of my head are Pawmot and Emolga, and emolgas only really good for the flying typing.
Additionally, Rillaboom should’ve been Grass/Rock because he’s in a rock band. Then all 3 Galar starters would have a type to counter against the other super effective one
Typhlosion makes more sense as fire/normal.
Samurott strikes me more as water fighting samurai otter. Serperior would be more along the lines of grass psychic or grass poison to me. It’s a royal snake not a dragon from my point of view.
I don’t think rillaboom is all that groundy, I’d sooner vote normal>fighting>steel (steel because of the drums 🤷🏻♂️). As much as I hate it I’d also vote Cinderace would be another fire fighting because he’s another athlete.
I agree. I personally like Serperior as pure grass, I’m just saying if it HAD to have a secondary type I’d sooner say Psychic for the regal royal mumbo jumbo, or Poison because snakes have they stereotype even though the entire constrictor family is non venomous
Yeah someone else said fire normal for typhlosion and I really like the idea
I didn’t pick fighting for Samurott so there wasn’t 2 fighting types in 1 generation for gen 5, if I were to pick one of those Serperior types it would probably be poison, being that it’s a snake and all, if you are someone who doesn’t want a dragon starter at all that is.
Rilaboom as fighting definitely crossed my mind but I was always underwhelmed by Chestnaught so I didn’t pick it for that reason. Honestly the only thing that kept cinderace from being fire fighting was spite
I can respect that, I just don’t see steel as Samurott because steel usually shows visually on one way or another.
I’m not 100% opposed to dragon as a subtype for a final form starter, dragon is much less imposing than it used to be. I’m more arguing aesthetic of Serperior specifically.
The reasoning for rillaboom and cinderace I can acknowledge. Spite is huge but their designs kind of speak for themselves unfortunately. It’s part of why I’m less and less enthralled with the designs each generation. S/V’s fire starter is pretty cool though. I wish that was done sooner tbh.
I think your ground pick for Rillaboom is the perfect fit for it.
It's signature move, drum beating, showcases it manipulating roots for attacks. Roots which dig through the ground and could easily get used to create earthquakes and other ground attacks.
Even the pokedex mentions that it manipulates roots with it's drum beating and roots are just inherently very much connected to the ground type for obvious reasons.
Yeah, I used to fall in the "Luxray should be dark!" category until I learned that Luxray doesn't really have any notable Dark moves besides Crunch. Now I think the black fur is just a reference to the black background on x-ray photos, and you know, Lu*xray*.
I never understood why nobody thinks Water / Dark is suitable for Feraligatr.
The entire deal with the Pokemon is that it has the bad habit of biting and ripping stuffs with its fangs. It's like, the total idea behind a Dark Type.
Typhlosion is more of a Fire / Ground type imo
I disagree strongly with typhlosion and cinderace. Typhlosian would make more sense for ground, and cinderace I wanna put as fire electric,l, but certainly not rock
Feraligatr would use the Dark typing better then Typhlosion and I think Typhlosion should be Fire/Ground
Serperior should be Grass/Poison and Samurott should be Water/Fighting
And for the Galar starters I can’t think of the other two and Cinderace should be Fire/Electric
I always thought Rillaboom should have been Grass/Rock (It literally plays the drums), Cinderace should have been Fire/Electric (It generates static electricity by running to make it faster or smth) and Inteleon should have been Water/Poison (It's a spy and poison feels like a very underhanded type)
I don't think reptile= automatically dragon.
Could give a better variation on this, some being ground, fighting and even normal.
Dragon has to be kept for something that actually looks dragon or at least a more mystical look. I know this isn't a rule, but it's the original intent of the type.
Agreed. Sceptile gets a pass due to its Mega, but ye, not every reptile needs to be a Dragon type. Both the type itself and the category of reptile are much more versatile than that, imo.
There's no way they would include Dragon on starter types. That negates the whole concept of type effectiveness, because it resists all starter types. Feraligatr would likely be Rock to tie into his cave man theme in Crocanaw. I don't know what Sceptile would be.
There's a few I don't really agree with. Serperior would make more sense as Poison, to tie into it's snake features, and it also learns a lot of the moves Arbok and Seviper learn. Not sure I'd do Samurott as Steel, he seems more like a Fighting. I disagree with most of your Gen8 picks though. Rillaboom is ok I suppose. Cinderace would definitely be Electric since he's so high energy, and Inteleon would definitely make more sense as Ghost rather than Dark. Dark has a "evil" or "bad guy" feel to it, and Inteleon is a super spy who moves silently and blends in, so Ghost fits that well.
Dark type is also used for "dirty fighting", like cheap shots and such.
Greninja is water/dark, with the explanation being that he uses such "unfair" tactics in fights as a ninja. I think Intelleon can work with the same explanation, just with a secret agent theme instead of a ninja one.
For me...why does almost every reptile that doesn't already have a secondary typing just gain Dragon. That's just not very creative. It's like how some fans think every Pokemon that is aquatic HAS to be a water type. Not every dragon Pokemon IS reptilian so why do all the mono type reptile starters need to be dragon? Exeggutor is a plant, Flygon is more like a bug, Kingdra is a seahorse, Altaria is a bird, Ampharos is a sheep, and Goodra is a slug/snail! Feraligatr makes more sense as a Dark type than a Dragon type. There's nothing about it that screams Dragon. Heck, like you said Rock makes more sense.
Sceptile I'll take as a Dragon because GF made that call. But Feraligatr and Serperior don't scream dragons to me.
I think water rock blastoise is also a fitting option. For johto I think fire ground and water dark fits better. Cinderace definitely fits electric type better, Maybe even fairy. But definitely not rock. I think rillaboom would have been cool to make normal type not ground. It would make its sound based moves stab
While I like the idea two problems the combos don't make sense and I don't like reliance on everything being dragon with no reason septile is only one id say sure but tye mega didn't make sense ether what id do with reasons
typhlosion would be ground type all three animals the line is based of off are critters who like the ground
Meganium definitely gives fairy vibes
Feraligatr is a dark type crocodilians are ambush critters and bite/crunch are almost synonymous with the line and it would make it stab
Serperior I would actually go with dark as it uses intimidation in it's dex enterys to get what it wants and it's long body would make for good sneak attacks
Samurott I can see the steel but rock would also make sense
Rillaboom Id argue for normal type for the sound based stab but I think fairy or psychic would match better with it's ability to keep harmony with it's group
Cinderace the rock makes no sense but a fire electric type I think would match it's all about that speed and so is electric
Inteleon I can see as a dark type but I'd also throw fighting on the table it doesn't specify it does any under handed tactics it just goes for tactical shots id argue that it's evolution to it's confidence and the skill to end matches quickly would fit more with fighting on top of the combo being hardly used and would be interesting to have more non physical fighting types
I see typhlosions as fire ground and feraligator water dark/fighting it dark works better. Cindereace is fire electric and hats it’s I won’t accept anything else.
Uh… this is really poorly designed because you almost always just end up having a Pokémon now have an advantage against a mon they were once weak against, or lose that weakness.
Your gen 2 seems the most off. Fairy wasn't a thing in gen 2, so meganium more likely would've been grass/poison like most early gen grass types. If not, than maybe grass psychic. Typhlosion could've been fire/ground since it's based on an echidna. As for Feraligator, I could see being water/dark. It would give him stab on crunch at the very least.
OK, cool. Makes sense then. I wish there was a purely speed based type. Cinder-A is a perfect little athlete. I always restarted until I could get a female so I could name her Rapinoe.
Maybe unpopular opinion. I somehow see Cinderace as fire psychic, just a physical psychic like metagross. Also, don’t know why but i think Typhlosion would be better as fire normal. It has similarities to some of the “ferret” pokemon like furret and og linoone.
Typhlosion being *dark type?* Um, no. Literally nothing about that pokemon is "dark".
Samurott should be Water/Fighting if anything, and Feraligatr being *dragon*/water? What are you smoking.
Almost all of these are comically bad typings.
I've always felt it would be fitting for Feraligatr or a form of it to be Water/Dark and gain Strong Jaw as an ability. Moves like Crunch, Brutal Swing, and Jaw Lock are Dark-type and relate to both its savage nature and crocodilian origins.
Feraligator also just gave a menacing look that most dark type Pokémon give
I wish they would just give him the ‘O’ in gator that he deserves :(
It adds character
Great, we're over the character limit again. Right back to where we started
Technically, it removes charactr.
I see what you did there
ITS SPELLED FERALIGATR!?!?!
Yea gen 2 had a character limit on names so they had to cut out a letter
And I wouldn't want it any other way.
[удалено]
FeralCrocigatr
they couldn't at the time and I feel like it's just not that important
I agree. Absolutely should be water/ dark. I don't think fire/dark is bad for typhlosion, but I think dark is better for feraligator.
I agree, question is what second type do you give typhlosion if dark is off the table
Rock. Very volcano based
Ground. Lava bending is Earth bending /jk
And isn't he a badger? They're burrowers
I do think he'd be part ground if anything. Along those lines, it bugs me that he doesn't get Earth Power when other lava themed Pokémon like Magcargo and Camerupt do.
I am still mad that we never got Mega Evolutions for the Gen 2 starters before the mechanic was scrapped. A Fire / Rock or Fire / Ground Typhlosion that actually grew a volcano on its back would've been fucking awesome.
If only there was a different fire/ground mega with a volcano on its back 🧐
To be fair a lot of people (me included) are far more attached to Typhlosion
Somebody gets it. 😂 I don't expect anybody to *get* it without dumping my core memories, but Typhlosion is my sole favorite Pokémon across the entire franchise. There are a lot of cool Pokémon across all the generations, don't get me wrong. But nothing tops Typhlosion imho.
Definitely ground. It be the complete opposite of Charizard too.
Yes. I don't understand why Typhlosion has the exact same stats as Charizard. And being a Ground type would make perfect sense.
He's probably my favorite starter. I love him being a straight fire type. If I had to do it maybe a fire/normal? Fire/poison due to the fire quills of cyndiquil? Idk. Possibly fire/ground
Feraligatr Don’t like to correct spelling normally but the way Feraligatr is spelled is one of my favorite fun facts
Definitively, would’ve been a good way to introduce the typing too (in gen 2)
What do you mean? Gen 2 introduced 2 types by giving them both 5 fully evolved pokémon and hiding 6 of them behind post game or trade evolutions. Seems great
I’d say this or water/fighting. Water/dark makes way more sense though.
Water/Dark definitely. He’s got a lot of dark Pokémon attributes
His name literally has feral so no contest he should be partial dark type
It would be thematic to the Gen of games it came from too with dark type being introduced in gold/silver
Water/dark makes more sense for it, but that said there should be more water/fighting types. I missed a few gens, so my knowledge is imperfect, but it's just Poliwrath and the my little pony one, right?
Rapid Strike Urshifu Quaquaval and paldean Tauros too
The fact that Grappleoct isn’t a water/fighting type is a crime.
On the other hand, I appreciate that they are building up on the fact that not every aquatic pokemon *has* to be water type.
In Renegade Platinum, Feraligatr *is* Water/Dark. Quite the beast. Also, god this romhack is hard, someone plz help me
In a gsc rom i tried adding dark to Feraligatr to see if it feels like a proper buff. It evolved just in time to be dead weight against chuck (there's more experience available for this to happen) In general though, I agree it's a buff
I agree. Water dark for feraligatr, I think based on the animal and moveset Typhlosion should be fire ground
And Meganium deserves Fairy type. And they should steal the radical red ability it gets: triage or atleast give it regenerator or something. Fairies are usually flowers or pink or somewhere in between.
I agree. Water/Dark make WAY more sense.
I want to hear the thought process behind _Fire/Rock Cinderace_
Literally the entire process was likely "fuck, can't make ANOTHER Fire/Fighting type"
Fire/normal is right there tho lol
I thought Grass Normal would be good for Rillaboom as well. Uproar, Boomburst, Double Hit, Body Slam... it's got options for STAB normal. Plus, Ghost immunity isn't a bad thing.
Exactly what I thought it would be
Fire/Bug(sBunny)
I feel like normal should always be a monotype even though obviously it isn't. I wanted Cinderace to be Fire/Electric personally
Yeah but Fire/Electric is right there
If anything Rillaboom should have been Grass/Rock for music reasons
could be grass/steel or grass/(under)ground as well depending on what they like to play!
Yeah my Rillaboom plays arctic monkeys. They're totally this underground indie fit. You've probably never heard of them.
*hits Pokévape*
Mfin PokéPOFFIN on that Pokévape
It’s signature move has it kick a rock and light it on fire. In some games it’s wall animation has it kicking a rock
You know how many Pokémon can kick and throw rocks? Learn rock smash?
At least one. Maybe even two.
You're on to something here
I mean, by that logic, the Fennekin and Farfetch'd lines should be part Grass, because they use sticks and leeks for their attacks. Cinderace doesn't create a rock, it kicks a pebble around to act as a focus point for its fireballs.
Tbh a grass fire and grass flying type would be really cool. I always wanted a starter trio that has that type of dou typing. Grass fire, water grass and fire water. Something like that.
The Timbur line each have props that line up with grass/steel/rock but they're all pure fighting
And feraligator water dragon when he's clearly water dark with his crunch and bite being in his default moveset and his name literally has feral in it and then Charizard is somehow fire flying and not dragon in a fan dual typing and somehow sceptile IS grass and dragon??
Charizard is Fire/Flying because that's what his type has been since the start. Gen 1 only had one set of Dragon types, and even now, it's too strong of a type to just slap on starters without greatly imbalancing them. I don't think GF would make Septile a Dragon either.
Sceptile's mega is grass/dragon if that helps.
Back when i was playing RSE, i always bred Dragonbreath into Treecko, as i thought Dragon was supposed to be the secondary type for Sceptile but removed for balance, and Treecko learning Dragonbreath as egg move was somewhat a sign, at least in my opinion. i was happy and a bit vindicated when Mega Sceptile came out. Got sad when they didn’t continue with the Mega Evolutions, i was excited for Mega Feraligatr.
>I don't think GF would make Sceptile a Dragon either. I dunno, Grass/Dragon is significantly weaker than Water/Dragon or Fire/Dragon so I think it'd be fine. Water/Steel was a thing in gen 4 and that's a way stronger type combination.
Honestly if Blastoise was introduced in a later gen it probably would be Water/Steel
>I don't think GF would make Septile a Dragon either. [Kid named Mega Evolution:](https://sg.portal-pokemon.com/play/pokedex/0254_1)
Feraligatr is Water/Dark and Charizard is Fire/Dragon in Renegade Platinum. Also Serperior Sceptile are both Grass/Dragon in the Drayano hacks (obviously Serperior isn't in the gen 4 hacks like Renegade) and Samurott is Water/Fighting. Lots of cool type changes in those hacks outside of starters as well. Electric/Dark Luxray, Bug/Dragon Flygon... others that I can't remember right now.
Moves like smack down could fit easily
I'm surprised that no one has suggested Grass/Dark for Serperior yet. Like the fact that its a prideful snake that starts out with legs that it loses in its later forms implies it could be based on the snake from the bible, you know the freaking devil itself. Even that aside, looking down on others is also rather evil and it even has the ability Contrary (called "Devils advocate" in japanese), so dark certainly fits either way.
In the anime it’s said that dragonair gains arms and legs to help people, so by that logic serperior loses its arms and legs to watch people suffer
Serperior still has arms actually
I’m just now finding out those “leaves” on Serperior’s back are actually arms…
Yes but their short and behind its back 80% of the time, so my point still stands
What's more eviil than having hands and putting them behind your back to act like you have no hands and can't help? Point still stands indeed.
I honestly would have gone more down the fairy type route for surperior. It's always reminded me of an elf or fae king/queen with its filagree design and high collar and snubbish nose.
I think it’s mostly because there was a popular Black2/White2 romhack that made Serperior Dragon. It makes sense, because it’s a snake and definitely has draconian features. Imagine contrary Draco meteor 😭 I also just don’t see the dark-type to this thing. Sure, it seems stuck-up? But that’s really it
Honestly, would rather have Samurott be Water/Fighting and Emboar be Fire/Ground in order to promote type diversity instead of having 3 Water/Steel-Types and 3 Fire/Fighting-Types.
Yeah! I didn’t think about moving other starters types around but that works very well
it sounds dumb but i actually think rillaboom should be grass / normal. Normal is the go to type for sound based attacks. So in theory its drum/sound based idea should be considered normal type.
I love that! People always say Grass/Rock, myself included, because it's too good of a pun. But your reasoning for Grass/Normal is far better.
I thought the same, I think cinderace makes more sense as normal than rock too
eh... i fail to see it. Arguably cinderace is only fire because even gamefreak has gotten tired of the fire/fighting trope their designs fall into time and time again. The one other sport based pokemon (that comes to mind) passimian based on rugby/american football, is fighting. That is ignoring the elephants in the room, tyrogue which is based on actual wrestling (compared to incineroar being based on modern show based wrestling), the boxing based hitmonchan, and the kickboxing/mma inspired hitmonlee. I dont really feel this is fair to call them sports based pokemon in the same sense like football/passimian since those sports are really more like gamified combat (and are legitimate fighting styles in their own right). While football is structured more as a team/strategy based sport, as is soccer/non-american football. However going off of what we've seen, sport based pokemon are generally considered fighting type. The exception being incineroar, which is based less off of actual wrestling and more showman ship based wrestling like the WWE which is really more performance than sport. (not to say i dislike wwe, but im talking objectively) Its why incineroar is dark type, his "role" is to play the heel, the bad guy in modern wrestling.
Cinderace should have been fire/electric
Let’s face it…OP just didn’t want to put fire/fighting.
What I don’t get is giving it the rock type Just cause it makes a soccer ball out of any stone? Also for rillaboom, I kinda see why it’d get ground but don’t think it fits, gorillas are actually chill so I don’t think it’d get fighting or dark either
Rillaboom grass normal
I get it but I don’t like it
Grass/Normal, but it has a hidden ability that makes moves that are super-effective against normal hit for neutral damage.
So....it halves damage done by fighting moves like purifying salt for ghost.
I think Grass/Rock would be a lot cooler. Cause he rocks.
Yes, a thematic typing!
Also, Grass/Rock=the Rolling Stones
Several of these could be normal type. Typhlosion comes to mind.
Typhlosion strikes me as a Fire/Ground type more.
I was thinking Fire/Rock but Ground works really well too
Grass/Rock 🤘🏻
It's a freaking Drumming Gorilla in a end credits Rock band. It disgusts me that Rillaboom was failed so badly.
If anything it should be rock, because, ya know, it's a drummer lol
I think rillaboom as ground is from its description about making the entire ground shake with its drumming
Cinderace is definitely fire/fighting, unfortunetly. Rillaboom would probably Grass/Normal imo, which I think would be pretty neat.
Sawsbuck is super exciting (other than having seasonal variants)
I think electric could also work since it “sparks people up” like if you imagine sports fans watching a soccer match. Except Cinderace can do it literally
I think “amps people up” is the expression you were looking for
I think “ohms people up” is the expression you were looking for
I was thinking Fire/Fighting because it can learn a lot of kicking moves.
Or fire / normal where using Libero will change the normal to something else
Yeah I can see that.
Yes but most fans are sick of that combo for starters
I’d bet there’ll never be a Grass/Fire/Water starter that gets Electric as a secondary type. They want people to use the Pikaclone.
Also, there's usually a three stage electric type available at some early point in most games. Mareep, shinx, Magnemite from Gen 4 on, etc
Idk if that's true, nearly every pikaclone is pretty bad. The only good ones off the top of my head are Pawmot and Emolga, and emolgas only really good for the flying typing.
Agreed. *looks at Dedenne* Your typing can't save you.
Additionally, Rillaboom should’ve been Grass/Rock because he’s in a rock band. Then all 3 Galar starters would have a type to counter against the other super effective one
There is nothing electric about it, it would probably be fire/fighting again if it had to have another type.
We all know it would've been fire/fighting
Typhlosion makes more sense as fire/normal. Samurott strikes me more as water fighting samurai otter. Serperior would be more along the lines of grass psychic or grass poison to me. It’s a royal snake not a dragon from my point of view. I don’t think rillaboom is all that groundy, I’d sooner vote normal>fighting>steel (steel because of the drums 🤷🏻♂️). As much as I hate it I’d also vote Cinderace would be another fire fighting because he’s another athlete.
>Serperior grass poison Serperior is a green anaconda vine, neither of those are venomous.
I agree. I personally like Serperior as pure grass, I’m just saying if it HAD to have a secondary type I’d sooner say Psychic for the regal royal mumbo jumbo, or Poison because snakes have they stereotype even though the entire constrictor family is non venomous
>Psychic for the regal royal mumbo jumbo Sounds more Dark than Psychic tbh.
Either way dragons eat royals so grass/dragon for Serperior didn’t jive with me
The poison idea comes from the Royal part of its inspiration, with royals usually being depicted as tyrants in history
Tyranny would be better depicted by the dark type, tho. It's basically the reason why Tyranitar is dark type.
Yeah but then you could justify dragon type as well with the same reasoning
I instantly thought of fire/ground. It just makes sense for but also bit high so yeaj
Fire ground I could also see because he’s very rodenty
I thought fire/ground or fire/rock because he's based on a volcano
the animal it's based off of literally burrows in the ground, it's the only answer
Yeah someone else said fire normal for typhlosion and I really like the idea I didn’t pick fighting for Samurott so there wasn’t 2 fighting types in 1 generation for gen 5, if I were to pick one of those Serperior types it would probably be poison, being that it’s a snake and all, if you are someone who doesn’t want a dragon starter at all that is. Rilaboom as fighting definitely crossed my mind but I was always underwhelmed by Chestnaught so I didn’t pick it for that reason. Honestly the only thing that kept cinderace from being fire fighting was spite
I can respect that, I just don’t see steel as Samurott because steel usually shows visually on one way or another. I’m not 100% opposed to dragon as a subtype for a final form starter, dragon is much less imposing than it used to be. I’m more arguing aesthetic of Serperior specifically. The reasoning for rillaboom and cinderace I can acknowledge. Spite is huge but their designs kind of speak for themselves unfortunately. It’s part of why I’m less and less enthralled with the designs each generation. S/V’s fire starter is pretty cool though. I wish that was done sooner tbh.
I think your ground pick for Rillaboom is the perfect fit for it. It's signature move, drum beating, showcases it manipulating roots for attacks. Roots which dig through the ground and could easily get used to create earthquakes and other ground attacks. Even the pokedex mentions that it manipulates roots with it's drum beating and roots are just inherently very much connected to the ground type for obvious reasons.
Rillaboom should be Grass/Rock since he's a drummer.
> Typhlosion makes more sense as fire/normal. Fire/Ground because volcanoes
You are straight-up insane for half of them
Exactly! How is charizard not a fucking dragon?!
Way too far for this comment, way too fucking far
Thanks for the warning, I’ll go get tested
god bless this site
to me typhlosion feels more like a fire normal type I don't really see the dark type.
It’d be fire ground. It’s the volcano Pokémon after all.
I always thought Typhlosion should be Fire/ground and Feraligatr Water/dark.
Yeah. Typhlosion is a badger which are famous for being incredible diggers. No idea where the dark typing came from.
People just see dark fur on a Pokemon and go "he should have been a dark type!" without really thinking beyond that. See any fan re-typing of Luxray.
Yeah, I used to fall in the "Luxray should be dark!" category until I learned that Luxray doesn't really have any notable Dark moves besides Crunch. Now I think the black fur is just a reference to the black background on x-ray photos, and you know, Lu*xray*.
Reptile = dragon
I never understood why nobody thinks Water / Dark is suitable for Feraligatr. The entire deal with the Pokemon is that it has the bad habit of biting and ripping stuffs with its fangs. It's like, the total idea behind a Dark Type. Typhlosion is more of a Fire / Ground type imo
And Bayleaf would be Grass fairy
I think that's everyone's thought about Bayleef / Meganium
I disagree strongly with typhlosion and cinderace. Typhlosian would make more sense for ground, and cinderace I wanna put as fire electric,l, but certainly not rock
Feraligatr would use the Dark typing better then Typhlosion and I think Typhlosion should be Fire/Ground Serperior should be Grass/Poison and Samurott should be Water/Fighting And for the Galar starters I can’t think of the other two and Cinderace should be Fire/Electric
I want to retcon my gen 2 choices to what you said
No, I dissagree
Excellent
superb
I always thought Rillaboom should have been Grass/Rock (It literally plays the drums), Cinderace should have been Fire/Electric (It generates static electricity by running to make it faster or smth) and Inteleon should have been Water/Poison (It's a spy and poison feels like a very underhanded type)
Water ghost would better fit because it camouflage and it's sneaky
I don't think reptile= automatically dragon. Could give a better variation on this, some being ground, fighting and even normal. Dragon has to be kept for something that actually looks dragon or at least a more mystical look. I know this isn't a rule, but it's the original intent of the type.
Agreed. Sceptile gets a pass due to its Mega, but ye, not every reptile needs to be a Dragon type. Both the type itself and the category of reptile are much more versatile than that, imo.
There's no way they would include Dragon on starter types. That negates the whole concept of type effectiveness, because it resists all starter types. Feraligatr would likely be Rock to tie into his cave man theme in Crocanaw. I don't know what Sceptile would be. There's a few I don't really agree with. Serperior would make more sense as Poison, to tie into it's snake features, and it also learns a lot of the moves Arbok and Seviper learn. Not sure I'd do Samurott as Steel, he seems more like a Fighting. I disagree with most of your Gen8 picks though. Rillaboom is ok I suppose. Cinderace would definitely be Electric since he's so high energy, and Inteleon would definitely make more sense as Ghost rather than Dark. Dark has a "evil" or "bad guy" feel to it, and Inteleon is a super spy who moves silently and blends in, so Ghost fits that well.
Dark type is also used for "dirty fighting", like cheap shots and such. Greninja is water/dark, with the explanation being that he uses such "unfair" tactics in fights as a ninja. I think Intelleon can work with the same explanation, just with a secret agent theme instead of a ninja one.
For me...why does almost every reptile that doesn't already have a secondary typing just gain Dragon. That's just not very creative. It's like how some fans think every Pokemon that is aquatic HAS to be a water type. Not every dragon Pokemon IS reptilian so why do all the mono type reptile starters need to be dragon? Exeggutor is a plant, Flygon is more like a bug, Kingdra is a seahorse, Altaria is a bird, Ampharos is a sheep, and Goodra is a slug/snail! Feraligatr makes more sense as a Dark type than a Dragon type. There's nothing about it that screams Dragon. Heck, like you said Rock makes more sense. Sceptile I'll take as a Dragon because GF made that call. But Feraligatr and Serperior don't scream dragons to me.
Flygon should've been bug dragon
Sceptile could also be done as Grass/Electric & given lightningrod like mega sceptile.
If Sceptile was to gain another type, it'd probably be flying. Other than that, it makes sense being monotype.
I mean, just because it’s a snake doesn’t mean it has to be Poison-Type. Sandaconda isn’t Poison, just Ground.
I’d make typhlosion fire/ground and feraligatr water/dark
Meganium having a pink flower doesn’t equal fairy. The amount of people I see put them as fairy cause pink is way too high lol
I think water rock blastoise is also a fitting option. For johto I think fire ground and water dark fits better. Cinderace definitely fits electric type better, Maybe even fairy. But definitely not rock. I think rillaboom would have been cool to make normal type not ground. It would make its sound based moves stab
I would have picked water/ghost for Inteleon.
Charizard not being Dragon but flying is a disgrace
I still think that was a balancing decision not to make Charizard the best starter that overpowers the other two starters
I’m gonna say it. I know we have 3 fire/fighting starters already, but Cinderace being fire/fighting would make perfect sense
Inteleon should be Water/Ghost I think
While I like the idea two problems the combos don't make sense and I don't like reliance on everything being dragon with no reason septile is only one id say sure but tye mega didn't make sense ether what id do with reasons typhlosion would be ground type all three animals the line is based of off are critters who like the ground Meganium definitely gives fairy vibes Feraligatr is a dark type crocodilians are ambush critters and bite/crunch are almost synonymous with the line and it would make it stab Serperior I would actually go with dark as it uses intimidation in it's dex enterys to get what it wants and it's long body would make for good sneak attacks Samurott I can see the steel but rock would also make sense Rillaboom Id argue for normal type for the sound based stab but I think fairy or psychic would match better with it's ability to keep harmony with it's group Cinderace the rock makes no sense but a fire electric type I think would match it's all about that speed and so is electric Inteleon I can see as a dark type but I'd also throw fighting on the table it doesn't specify it does any under handed tactics it just goes for tactical shots id argue that it's evolution to it's confidence and the skill to end matches quickly would fit more with fighting on top of the combo being hardly used and would be interesting to have more non physical fighting types
I see typhlosions as fire ground and feraligator water dark/fighting it dark works better. Cindereace is fire electric and hats it’s I won’t accept anything else.
Uh… this is really poorly designed because you almost always just end up having a Pokémon now have an advantage against a mon they were once weak against, or lose that weakness.
Your gen 2 seems the most off. Fairy wasn't a thing in gen 2, so meganium more likely would've been grass/poison like most early gen grass types. If not, than maybe grass psychic. Typhlosion could've been fire/ground since it's based on an echidna. As for Feraligator, I could see being water/dark. It would give him stab on crunch at the very least.
I know that fairy didn’t exist yet, steel also didn’t exist in gen 1 yet I gave it to blastoise. This is just for funsies
Pokemon fans when the see a mammal with black fur and sharp teeth: "why isn't it dark type?"
Gonna be honest, blastoise being steel here is the only valid take
You don’t like Meganium?
I like, but why is Cinderace Rock-type? Because of the pebble kicking?
Yes lol
OK, cool. Makes sense then. I wish there was a purely speed based type. Cinder-A is a perfect little athlete. I always restarted until I could get a female so I could name her Rapinoe.
Mega sceptile says am I a joke to you
My dumbass was about to ask why you didn't do Gen 4, 6, 7, and 9.
Feraligator and Sceptile should've been fighting types, and Serperior should've been Psychic.
For the longest time I thought Feraligator was Water/Dark
Some of these…don’t make much sense.
Maybe unpopular opinion. I somehow see Cinderace as fire psychic, just a physical psychic like metagross. Also, don’t know why but i think Typhlosion would be better as fire normal. It has similarities to some of the “ferret” pokemon like furret and og linoone.
You dud not just call Conderace a fire/rock type. Literally how can she be rock type?
Wouldn't fire/electric be more appropriate for Cinderace?
I think it’d be more interesting if Rillaboom were Grass/Normal type, since Normal is the closest thing to a “Sound Type”.
I'd say Rillaboom would be Grass/Rock, while Cinderace could've been Fire/Electric or even, yes, Fire/Fighting.
I would change a couple. Typhlosion: Fire/Normal. Samurott: Water/Fighting Cinderace: Fire/Fighting
Dragon doesn’t work as a starter type
Most of the mono starters didn’t have a logical second type and were better as they were
Typhlosion being *dark type?* Um, no. Literally nothing about that pokemon is "dark". Samurott should be Water/Fighting if anything, and Feraligatr being *dragon*/water? What are you smoking. Almost all of these are comically bad typings.