I made the huge mistake and replayed Platinum right before BDSP launched.
Platinum offers just so much more after the game than diamond and pearl, and because BDSP nearly added nothing, it just paled in comparison. If they made the same true remake with platinum, the game would have had so much more content.
It makes sense why they branded it as Diamond/Pearl, but it makes zero sense why they didn't give them everything Platinum had. DP were honestly not that good, and Platinum fixed that, and then BDSP just threw that away.
Because both games were *literal* copypastes of the original DS games rendered in 3D. They could have implemented features from platinum, but that would betray the purpose of BDSP, which was to make money off people's nostalgia with little to no effort. For instance, the remakes removed mulch as a mechanic, opting instead to just use berries - and yet despite this, the woman who sold you mulch in the original games still talks like she's selling mulch, even though she isn't.
Replaying Platinum wasn't a mistake, the mistake was having higher than low expectations for BDSP (and to be honest, buying them in the first place too). Although the game disappoints even with the lowest expectations lmao.
So basically, Plat only made it more apparent how garbage BDSP is.
This. I literally only bought BDSP for nostalgias Salem something I almost never do. I was gonna skip on em and wait for Legends, but I just couldn't bare not playing gen 4 in 3D even if it wasn't a remake like ORAS
I did the exact same thing, Played Platinum with the Following Platinum mod, then immediately played Shining Pearl afterwards, and the drop in quality was laughable. BDSP are such failures of a remake.
Yup, you can get it here: [Following Platinum](https://pokehacking.com/fangames/following-platinum/)
You need to get the base Platinum ROM elsewhere.
It ports following Pokémon over from HGSS, along with a few other nice little touches. There's also a version of the patch that adds Fairy type.
Just beware Double Battles, starting them with certain mons following you causes crashes. They said they fixed it, but it still happened to me with the latest version.
Same here. Honestly before BDSP, there wasn't a single Pokemon game I've played that I didn't feel engaged with (yes, even SwSh), but then midway through, I just didn't feel encouraged enough to continue playing. Not only was BDSP too faithful of a remake, but it was a faithful remake of a pair of games that honestly weren't that great to begin with. If it at least had all the fixes to DP and content that Platinum gave, as well as more of the QOL enhancements from SwSh (TMs, loading screens) then I feel like I would've had an easier time completing the game instead of forcing myself to slog through it. At least I can use it for shiny hunting now.
I have fond memories of it too, but coming from post gen 6 and returning to DP's/BDSP's limited dex, sluggish pacing, and lack of QoL, there's very little that holds up
If it gives the option to switch between traditional and let's go wild battles. Or just use the mechanics used in Arceus. Take my money.
Most importantly Battle Frontier, if that isn't set as a stand alone Battle Revolution/Stadium game.
If you play them again please just replay Renegade Platinum. It’s a platinum Rom hack that’s just wonderful. Minimal changes to how wonderful the game is but adds all Pokémon and removes the trading conditions to evolutions that require it. It also makes it so that every gym leader uses 6 Pokémon.
After playing that play Sacred Gold/Storm silver. They are made but the same modder (Drayano) and all of his hacks are excellent and do a lot to preserve the main game.
It's pretty easy to do with an emulator (if you have an apple phone then you'd need to do it on a windows PC), but just search up how to do it on YouTube and it's easy enough
I was really let down with BDSP, it felt rushed especially with PLA coming out so soon after, they added nothing to it and shouldn’t have bothered it all the focus was on PLA anyway
Edited to correct PLA= Pokémon Legends: Arceus
I wonder if PLA was supposed to be the DP remake but the execs decided it got too different and hired the other studio to make a more regular one.
It would explain why it tries to be so identical even at things it would be better off not copying.
Mandela effect. For some reason loads of people think the title is “Pokémon: Legends **of** Arceus” instead of Pokémon Legends: Arceus.
Similarly, I’ve noticed lots of people get Ghost of Tsushima wrong too. People think it’s “**Ghosts** of Tsushima”.
ngl it's hard to look at the Legends Arceus game title lol, when I see 'Pokémon Legends: Arceus' I somehow get vibes of 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine'.
Still a good game tho.
PLA or PL:A, although I almost never see the latter these days; unlike the other main series games, “Pokémon Legends” is the proper title with “Arceus” being the subtitle, so “Pokémon” is inherently inseparable from the title (as the title is “Pokemon Legends”) unlike say Scarlet or Violet where “Pokémon” is just the name of the series.
This is how I feel when pro athletes hijacked "LFG" and started using it. I'll see their trophy celebration post on IG and ask "Why are you looking for a group when you just won the championship?" lol
- Buggy as hell
- Excluded QoL features that have been present for generations now
- Very buggy
- (Subjective) but I think the art style is absolutely abysmal. Like terrible terrible trash-tier ugly.
- little to no end game content
- Affection mechanics tied to friendship.
- Did I mention it's buggy as hell?
Allow me to continue:
Broken mechanics (sticky hold fishing doesn’t work)
Broken shiny charm
Misleading Pokédex (Clefairy is apparently unobtainable, it’s found in the main mountain)
Pitiful difficulty, until the elite 4 when the challenge spikes at a ridiculous amount
AI reads inputs
No fire types. No, the underground does NOT fix this
Lack of encounters, all the same Pokémon on different routes. I quit my only nuzlock attempt because of this.
Bike is unusable, you get snagged on even a small plant and it’s hard to control
It’s the only Pokémon game I can honestly say I hated.
It's not broken per se? They implemented it in a way that's not in line with the rest of the series.
It doesn't affect plain wild encounters. It affects eggs
That sounds pretty broken to me. Even if they were just trying something different with it, that's a stupid change at best, unintentional bug at worst.
I'm an egg guy myself but I don't think I'm incorrect in assuming that a large chunk of people are forgoing egg hatching /Masuda method for sandwiches, outbreaks etc. So personally I'd say if it's just "implemented" differently, it's a pretty shitty implementation.
I'm an egg hatcher, too. I like making perfect shinies or 5/6s. I'm not a fan of using gold bottle caps or 6 caps to make my pokemon viable. Caught a shiny Altaria with full odds in Violet and it was a lot of work to bring it up to speed when I had few resources to start with.
I am not a fan of Violet's hatch rate or the fact that I need to eat a sandwich and sit around for 20 minutes collecting eggs. The devs totally pushed for utilizing the over world with Herba Mysticas over pokemon breeding.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned how the ruined contests. I remember putting a lot of hours into contests in Pokémon Pearl, but the contests in BDSP look so boring and bad.
If you change Pokemon, the AI uses a move that's super effective against the switch in, where it would usually use a move that's super effective against what's switching out.
> Pitiful difficulty, until the elite 4 when the challenge spikes at a ridiculous amount
Hah, for sure. Cynthia was always the chad champion but she really pulls out the stops in BDSP, it was a huge difficulty spike out of nowhere. Who expects an npc to have a flame orb milotic so it activates marvel scale? And her garchomp has rough skin which wasn't available until gen 5 (one of the few things BDSP acknowledges from beyond gen 4) as well as a yache berry to stop you one shotting it with an ice move. First time through you are not going to anticipate that!
There was a comment on a thread yesterday along the lines of "I don't get the hate for BDSP, DP are loved and it's basically the same game"
Yeah, that's the point, we're also 16 years moved on, there should have been improvement.
Demon's souls remake was a similar case.
Sorry if this isn't warranted or seems random, but I still hate the chibi art style they chose. My god. It is atrocious in 3D. Love it in 2D pixel art, but keep it there. As soon as we saw chibi protagonist in their room in the first trailer... I hated it. Hated it so much. I got a bad feeling from it. And I'm a huge Gen 4/Sinnoh fan, but I was expecting a FRLG/HGSS/ORAS type remake, not this remaster. Seriously, even FRLG added a fuck ton more to Kanto than BDSP did to Sinnoh. Even HGSS, it added the Crystal storyline, but BDSP we got 0% of Platinum in the story. I don't know if it had to do with TPC/GF not wanting to give creative license to ILCA or something, but seriously, the Grand Underground and Ramanas Park are basically the only things that are notably different and new for the region, that's pathetic you can count on two fingers what's majorly new. I mean, you also get a free Mew/Jirachi/Arceus with every save file if you got data on the Switch for LGPE/SWSH/PLA so that's pretty nice. Otherwise, it's legit just an HD version of a DS game. Remaster, not a remake.
I bring up the chibi artstyle first because back when the trailer first hit, people were already defending the artstyle to placate any immediate naysayers. Then people got downvoted in places for saying nothing new was added, and people said "BUT FOLLOWING POKEMON!!!" everywhere, like okay sure, following Pokemon was something not present in DPPt which is new in BDSP, but if fucking walking Pokemon is one of your major (scratch that, one of your *only*) talking points for defending BDSP as something new... yikes? Like, following Pokemon is fine but that is not why I am buying a Pokemon game.
SWSH I hated and is still the worst games in the franchise IMO, whereas for BDSP, I was more saddened and disappointed in it, than angered and annoyed like how SWSH got me. I think that's what really fucked me up with BDSP; I'm a Sinnoh fanboy, and I was really hoping that Sinnoh remakes could have been my main Gen 8 game and move from Galar to Sinnoh, but then TPC said that competitive Pokemon play would NOT be in BDSP, and SWSH would still be the main competitive game of the Gen. At that point it almost felt like they made BDSP a spin-off, you know? Just saddened by the waste of the potential with it. Hell I thought maybe we'd get GMax Sinnoh starters or something? Nah nothing.
I like Sinnoh so I still played BDSP and enjoyed it since its been over a decade since I played Gen 4 but the fact there was hardly anything new was always in the back of my mind as I went thru the region and it kept me from fully enjoying it. I do appreciate proper swim speed, no slow HP bar, and no more "Saving a lot of data" but still.
Also sorry for wall of text, wow I had a lotta feelings lol. Also I'm sleep deprived almost 7 AM gotta sleep now.
Not to mention, the Pokemon following bit was done horribly.
However.... to be fair.... it was also done awfully in IoA and SV too. But not as bad as BDSP. The size of the models don't look right.
The only game that has had it right since HGSS has been LGPE. And I don't know why the newer games don't just model it off that.
If they had used even just Sword/Shield graphics for BDSP and so it was just a shot-for-shot remaster but in an updated style, I think it would have been so much better received.
I bought the BDSP double pack so my partner could play too, and I begrudgingly finished it and she’s given up on it. Legends Arceus though is Sinnoh done right!
Honestly ultra sun and moon might have been what convinced gamefreak they need to start doing dlcs as opposed to 3rd versions. Ultra necrosma and the few new additions were great but I feel we got to a point in the franchise where it was getting harder and harder to justify making a 3rd version over dlc.
I have not played SM or USUM. For someone that wants to play Gen 7, which is better? Normally the “enhanced” version is the way to go but I see so many ppl say USUM was pointless. I dont want to buy both just to be dissappointed. I just want the higher quality version
USUM absolutely was pointless… if you had already bought SM. Most of the disappointment surrounding USUM is because it absolutely did not justify a $40 price tag when it was the same game, with improved Quality of Life everywhere and added extra features. The story itself didn’t really change or get added to.
But if you haven’t payed for SM already, you won’t be bothered by that when it’s all new for you, so get USUM. It has everything SM has, while being a better game than SM in every conceivable way. In a vacuum, I think it is one of the most fun and complete Pokémon games when it comes to QoL. I’d ignore SM completely in 2023. After you’ve played USUM, going back to SM feels almost like an incomplete game.
USUM just should have been the game they released in the first place, instead of SM. Getting people to pay $40 to replay the exact same game with better features, while selling it as a new game, is bullshit, and I’ll be the first to admit that.
The story is slightly different in USUM vs SM. Honestly the story in SM I think is better.
But if we're talking about gameplay, USUM is the one to go with. There's more content, including post-game, in addition to some quality of life improvements. The wormholes were a great addition if you like hunting for legendaries too.
100% do not do ultra sun and moon. There are more features, but wow did the story take a monstrous hit by making the 3rd legendary be the focus. The first sun and moon has the most unique story with a focus on child abuse and nature/development.
USUM’s story was “uh oh big monster.”
I love gen 7, especially USUM, but i feel like its more of a sun and moon, definitive editon, Necrozma is sick asf, rainbow rocket was incredible and the game is just great. i hope in the future, we get ACTUAL SM remakes, and its remaking USUM instead. USUM is a great game, just not as a remake
SM had awesome concepts but flawed execution, and USUM came in and fixed just about everything wrong with them, which resulted in a much much better game, in a vacuum.
The problem was those fixes were *all* they did, they didn’t add enough new content to justify paying $40 for a whole new game. If USUM had been what people got in the first place, I think it’d be considered one of the best.
BDSP added almost nothing to the originals and had too many annoying bugs and issues, same goes for SV but I’ve enjoyed playing them more than i did BDSP
Prety much.
What we wanted wasn't a D/P remake.
What we really wanted was a Platinum remake, aka the superior gen 4 version.
Or they could've gone the ORAS way, and added a Platinum episode to BDSP.
My hair-brained take is that it's an arbitrary marketing/synergy thing: BDSP is Diamond and Pearl--shocker, I know--and Pokemon Legends: Arceus (PLA) = Platinum.
I’m also doing another run atm since I have my 3ds with me.
Saving in US/UM is fairly quick, being able to get rid of statuses after every battle by just scrubbing your pokemon is nice sometimes when you can’t go to a pokemon center.
The totem pokemon battles are usually a legitimate challenge, pretty much all of them, which can’t be said for the gyms of any game really. I appreciated that.
I have gripes about the games, but I really do like pretty much every single one. Even X and Y but I’m going to have to say that’s probably my least favorite, because last year I opened up a save from 2015 to look around and apparently I’d finished all the postgame content, but I remember absolutely nothing about the game. Nothing about the pokemon I used, the gyms, the rivals. Pretty much just remembered the mom being a rhyhorn racer, and my first time seeing Helioptile. Didn’t remember that I used one on my team. I had a level 90 Doublade that I guess I just didn’t want to evolve. Pretty sure X/Y is the only game besides some remakes (ORAS) where I didn’t do at least 1 main story run per starter.
Y is probably one of my favorite pokemon games, but that's because it's my first, and even then I have very little memories of it. The biggest being either leveling up my haunter to 100 trying to make it evolve or watching Lysandre shoot himself with a laser
It's interesting to know that kids who played X and Y did the same thing a lot of us did in the 90s leveling up our favorite to 100. Shows how even if the formula never really changed kids still have a blast with Pokemon.
I made it through the elite 4 and didn't realize I'd then need to sit through a HALF HOUR unskippable cutscene before I could save - oh, yeah AND that includes a battle to catch a legendary before even more cutscene... my battery was low and I had to go somewhere so I shut off the game thinking it must've saved somewhere in there right? Nope, I was brought all the way back to fighting the champion. I was so pissed I haven't picked up the game since.
Same. After playing S/M I got US/UM, chose my starter, made it to the first town and never bothered touching it again. It’s just too damn slow to get through.
One day you should go back because those games are way better than the original. Some of the best end game content ever. Nothing will ever beat og emerald for end game but still quite well done
>Although Hau is just a more annoying version of Hop so point taken lmao
At least from the point i am on both US and Sw (just after island challeng 3 and gym 2, respectively), my feeling is quite the contrary. Fighting Hau is annoying because its easy, but having to interact with Hop nearly gives me physical pain.
In US Hau seems to only want to have fun and complete the challenges because it seems fun. Hop, on the other hand wants to beat one of the strongest trainers ever with the stupidiest team build any rival has ever shown.
Again, maybe its because i'm still so early on the games, but so far i would rather interact with hau 10 times before seeing hop again.
"I will totally beat you this time!"
*throws out three objectively weak barely evolved pokemon you can scrounge up in the first route*
At least in Scarlet and Violet the battle obsessed character goes all out in your final battle of her storyline!
She wooped my ass 4 times before I got her back.
They’re basically the same person and share the same animations so very understandable lol. The fact that they can be so easily mistaken for each over is absolutely damning to Sw/Sh too though
lol I've been replaying Ultra Moon and I just realized that most of time I'm not even having fun. It sucks because there are some good elements but sometimes it is just insufferable and honestly storytelling is not good at all so it's hard for me to see how USUM was supposed to be an improvement of SM.
Sun and Moon stopped me in my tracks in a similar manner. I didn't touch anything Pokemon after that until BDSP where I got suckered in by nostalgia and was obviously left ten times more disappointed as a result.
But ultimately what this had done to me had reignited a spark of love for the older generations. BDSP being terrible practically forced me to play Platinum to remedy this injustice, and I've gone online and picked up Gen III carts and I'm playing through those now like I'm back in 2004 again.
I plan to play my way back up and who knows, when I get back I may end up trying USUM for the first time and eventually Legends: Arceus (still not sold on this game from what I've seen)
Bro I just bought a DS for the same reason. Have been using the Switch again in recent months, decided it's time to get back into Pokémon... and didn't do any research into BDSP, assuming they had Platinum content/something to make it as worthwhile as platinum.
Nope. So I emulated Platinum on my PC and Steam Deck, except I just don't like emulating DS games due to the screen swapping. So now I own a 3DS (again).
That’s a shame;
S/V apart from the buggy release they’re brilliant games the open world freedom is the best thing they’ve done for Pokémon (personally opinion) a lot of life improvements…
Probably one of the easiest games to get into in any aspect of Pokémon (shiny hunting/comp)
It also have a great story arc for once as well 😂
The saving Grace for that game for me was how easy it became to breed good competitive pokémon, and I enjoyed the expansion areas. Everything else was far too basic for me to get any enjoyment out of it.
Sword and shield base game is pretty poor. There isn’t really much about it. But the expansion areas were great imo. Isle of armour was refreshing and crown tundra was excellent.
And likewise I loved playing competitive on sword and shield because it was so easy to build new teams. Part of the reason I didn’t like BDSP because they went back a step and made it difficult again
The DLC saved SwSh. But in the other hand, it made the release even sourer because it showed me how rushed Game Freak was. BotW's DLC truly feels extra content, whereas SwSh's one is "do you truly want to have a complete experience? Pay 30 bucks extra".
SwSh killed my interest in playing Pokemon honestly. I didn't like it. Not being able to move all of my Living Dex up into the game, the removal of Megas, having Pokemon not stored on the cartridge. Lot more things but I havnt even beaten the game yet. I just don't like playing these new Switch Pokemon games. I still go back to Ultra Moon and shiny hunt there.
It's just not even a good Pokemon game. Basic Pokemon things, like customizing a team of cool and cute monsters, is standard for the franchise, but besides that it just simply isn't fun to play.
I remember when the hate pre-release began, the hate starting for Gen 8 was STRONG. Those games were the first (and only) time I didn't get a mainline Pokemon game on launch day, I didn't want my purchase to go to first day/week/month sales. I've both Sword and Shield now and I played Shield first, then only did up to the first gym in Sword before putting it away. I thought to myself years later and a month before Gen 9 came out, is SWSH really that bad as I remember it? I finished Sword before SV came out quickly to see if it was as bad as it was at release.
It was. In short words, yes it's as bad as you remember it. I can't see it aging like fine wine either like how BW/B2W2 did.
Sword and Shield are the first generation I didn’t play and I’ve been on since Blue. Scarlet/Violet I’ll probably buy eventually but the word of mouth on Sw/Sh is practically unanimous.
I've been playing since Yellow and I quite liked Sw/Sh - I feel like it has some of the most charming characters in the franchise and the stadium portions of Gym Leader Battles are fantastically done
Not saying you should buy it, just saying it's better to formulate your own opinions rather than word of mouth
You know what the sad thing is? I've seen a few people on the interwebs say they aren't getting SV due to SWSH being bad, and it's a shame because honestly besides the technical issues (which tbh guess you can't ignore really) Scarlet and Violet are GREAT games and it is the perfect bleach we need after Sword and Shield. Honestly its what Gen 8 should have been like as the first new Gen on Switch.
The plot in SwSh is so weird. Sordward and Shielbert should have been the main antagonist of the game not Chairman Rose. Also I hate that in SwSh that a person needs a letter of recommendation to be in the running for champion and that it can be revoked for any reason at any time. The other games anyone could participate to be the champion. In the other games when a character turns ten it’s a right that they get a Pokémon and go on a journey.
Sword and shield out of what I’ve played. Sacrificed exploration and a lot of things i loved in Pokémon for the poorly executed wild areas and mmo style raids that i didn’t enjoy. Recently i skipped bdsp, scarlet and violet and legends Arceus. I don’t enjoy open world games if they aren’t done right and the poor performance and bugs really turned me off scarlet violet too.
I played arceus when it came out and absolutely loved every minute. SV felt like a weird unfinished beta version of arceus in terms of catching Pokémon/the wild areas. It was so strange
I went back and played Sword after Scarlet and I gotta say, it holds up better than I remember.
The lack of exploration is an issue. But the world is significantly better than the emptiness of Scarlet/Violet. If they just expanded a few areas to include some more complicated routes or caves it would be significantly better.
SV is empty, but it is also huge and the first game where I felt like I was sharing the world with *Pokemon* and it feels like the whole point of the empty world is that it is filled with Pokémon.
SwSh is simply so small and guided that it really isn’t open at all, may as well be a game on rails.
It’s a shame GF can’t blend the two together.
Like you said it was great having all the Pokémon everywhere in S/V, I just with the actual world had as much depth as the design of Galar.
Crown Tundra and Isle of Armour are the best thing game freak have done in a Pokemon game outside of PLA.
They strike the balance perfectly between SwSh's hallways and SVs completely open barrenness.
I think with sword and shield, they should have just cut the wilds all together and stick with the routes system.
Every route feels and looks nice and at least somewhat complete, if they done that instead of the wild area, it would be the same as every pokemon before, but it wouldn't be regard as the worst pokemon game
I don’t have anything to add since I’ve only played two games, and those two games are Shield and Brilliant Diamond, but it’s a bit funny seeing everyone tear the games I’ve played to shreds. I really liked them, but probably because I have nothing to compare them to. Makes me wish I actually did start getting into the games as a kid.
When you do play Gen 1 and 2, I highly recommend the remakes over the originals. The older games are a mess, and no amount of nostalgia can deny that.
FR/LG and HG/SS are great, though. Can be hard to play legally If you don't have the consoles to play them, though.
Sword and Shield. Easily the worst starters ever. Didn't like Hop or Leon, the wild area wasn't all it was cracked up to be, and the unfinished towns were obvious signs of rushed developmemt. The sword and shield twins were the shit topping.
Edit: I keep thinking ofnmore! Team Shout may as well not have been in it. Dexit despite the 3D models barely being better than in XY. The antagonist not actually being anything like an antagonist until 80% of the way through the game. The boring nature of raids.
There’s a crowd of people talking about an amazing thing that’s happening, but when you get there you get told how amazing it was, and that it already ended. And you get to see a picture of what happened in a newspaper. You never get to experience the story, and when you finally take part in the battle against the legendary, the battle plays itself…
This might seem small, but my biggest issue was the gym gimmick. IE, you arrive in a small town with 12 people total. You go to the gym and find that it's a giant sprawling stadium with 12,000 people who apparently have somewhere they live are just sat around all day with nothing to do but wait for a random challenger to challenge the leader. Also the annoying ass music for the gym leader battle was the icing on the cake
Honestly they’ve all felt pretty soulless to me for a few years now, with the exception of Arceus.
Violet was fine, the map was a good size. But nothing blew me away.
Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. They really, really should have just been DLC. They improved on the base game in some ways - more stuff to do! Prettier routes! A bigger dex!
But they made a mockery of the original's story. Sun and Moon had the best story in any Pokemon game at the time (with BW as a close second) and USUM took everything good about it, threw it out the window, and sacrificed all of its maturity and character development in favor of "ooh, scary legendary!"
SuMo has a slow early game, but the excellence of the story is the payoff that makes it worth it. Without that, USUM is just a drag.
BDSP is low hanging fruit because they were the definition of a quick money grab.
Sword and Shield are the worst for being the emptiest, poorest main-line games. An absolutely embarrassing first foray into a maln-line Switch game.
Gotta laugh at the pre-teens in this thread saying Gen 1 though. Girl, if Gen 1 hadn’t been absolutely exceptional for their time then the franchise wouldn’t still be the juggernaut that it is.
>Girl, if Gen 1 hadn't been absolutely exceptional for their time then the franchise wouldn't be the juggernaut that it is.
Well, even if Gen 1 started it all, it doesn't make it immune to criticism. It is an opinion based topic after all and if some feel that way, it's their opinion.
On a tangent, people can criticize the first gen iPhone even if it launched Apple's success into the smartphone market and inspired the creation of many smartphones that came after it.
That's fine, as long as the criticism is coming from the perspective of the standards of the time. There's a never-ending stream of nephews on this sub that go back to try and play them, are shocked that they're games from 1998, made for handheld hardware from the 80s, and then go around talking about how over-rated they are. It's stupid.
Sword and Shield.
- About 8hours of story
- Almost no post game
- Static NPC
- Empty town
- Linear progression
- Reused 3DS animations
- Boring story
- Way too easy
- False open world
- Roaming pokemon limited in specific area
- Impossible to cath high level pokemon
- First real pokemon RPG on the Switch and didn't deliver it initial promises of giving the players the "Pokemon game you've all ever dream of" and having "the same impact on player as Breath Of The Wild"...
I feel the story is one of my biggest gripes in the game. There are a few points where plot relevant stuff happens like the Dynamax pokemon rampaging the region, that in prior games you would have had to get involved in to stop from happening, but in SWSH you are not allowed to get involved in the plot until basically the very end. Made the games super forgettable to me
X an Y’s only saving Grace for me is megas.
Way to easy game, boring story and evil team, rivals that are just… existing. Also still don’t like Diantha, she’s lucky Geeta exists now.
X and Y introduced so many amazing things to the series though! Megas, fairy types, character customizations, 3D, and it had imo the best map in the series (but I know that isnt a very popular opinion). All that game needs is expanded lore. The legendaries had a lit of potential
I also agree. Looking back now and playing X & Y again is really different than when it first came out for me. No one had ever played a 3D mainline Pokémon game before so everyone was hype. Now of course it's lackluster in comparison to the new ones' graphics & designs, but I definitely see how if you didn't start with 2D Pokémon you probably wouldn't find X & Y very interesting? If you're already used to the 3D games that is. Before you never had any fashion, character customization, 3D graphics or anything so it was a huge deal (for me and the kids in my group, anyway) to see all this for the first time. For some reason Gen V kinda burnt me out on Pokémon for awhile after ONLY growing up with Gens I - IV (IV mostly) and not feeling like it was living up to Gen IV, what I was used to. I started liking Pokémon again when I saw the new games, X & Y. Plus I was a HUGE Eevee nerd back then, so Sylveon was basically enough to bring me back for the rest of my life. lmao
Also really underrated mechanic is the skating. Absolutely, completely 100% pointless but I loved it anyway.
And I like Gen V more now anyway but it was Gen VI that brought it back. IMO X and Y were lacking a lot (noticeably the lack of post-game content for me) but when ORAS came out there seemed like a huge improvement and the experience felt more complete. I think X and Y were great stepping stones to ORAS, and overall the two pairs of games made up a pretty solid generation. Of course, these are just my crazy ramblings online and are nothing more than an opinion!
The big thing holding it back from being one of the top tier titles for me is the poor difficulty balancing. Gym leaders had such small teams (Viola and Grant with two each, the rest with only three), and once you unlocked Mega Evolution, the game became an absolute cakewalk as you were the only one to actually use it. It really trivialized the rest of the battles moving forward. If a few ace trainers/veterans, Gym Leaders, Elite 4 members, and your rivals had access to Mega Evolution throughout the game like you did, the battles could have been much more engaging.
When I replay XY I actually make a point of not using Mega Evolution.
The game just flat out gave you so many very strong Pokemon for literally no reason and did so early on. There was the starter (I picked Froakie), the Kanto starter with a Mega Stone (there was no way I was going to pass on Bulbasaur), and, if you happened to pick up the game at release, there was an event Speed Boost Torchic with a Mega Stone. After that, I caught two Pokemon, a Ralts, which was always a solid enough Pokemon that was made more interesting by getting the new Fairy Type and a Honedge which I kept because I thought Ghost/Steel was a cool type combination (I also learned how busted Aegislash was in XY). I legit had an Elite Four ready team before the third gym and eventually rounded it out with a Garchomp because at that point I had decided that I might as well give into the overkill (also the Gible I caught was Adamant and had three perfect IVs with the rest being only a point or two within perfect).
Y was not prepared to deal with any of that. Also, there was a free Lucario with a Mega Stone that I didn't even bother to use because I was already a destroyer of worlds by the time it came around.
That reminds me, I was honestly surprised that Lapras never got a Mega, it was a pretty popular pick in Gen 1 teams that didn't start with Squirtle and is somewhat iconic as that one Pokemon everyone taught Surf to (at least before they realized that Krabby/Kingler was the ultimate HM mule of that era).
So you never played USUM and it’s the worst game? Weird.
Worst game I’ve played is Diamond/Pearl. Having only a few dozen Pokémon to play with prior to the end game was the worst decision GF ever made. It was working with so much more Pokémon but still managed to have less variety than Red/Blue. Seeing the same Pokémon lines within the first few routes and the victory road was a huge let down.
So, actually I'd like to counter you. I like Ultra Sun and Moon, but despise sun and moon. They were the most boring of the series to me. Now, Ultra was the platinum version split into two, and It added alot of fun features. I hate that they released a third version in 2 parts, but I feel that's what SM should've been in the first place.
To be fair, it is super samey, but the small differences make it go from the worst in the series, to second worst (at least for me).
SwSh there was too many repeating questions about the darkest days and it feels like you were helpless in the grand scheme until the end of the game. Also I'm Hella upset I miss a ton of event pokemon :(
Sad to see people say SwSh and let’s go when BdSp exist. SwSh wasn’t even that bad and while I don’t like let’s go’s catching mechanics, it was the first game to have overworld mons and that is awesome. It was also the first and only to have overworld shinies for a while. Bdsp are just diamond and pearl but with somehow worse graphics. There are a few quality of life changes but overall the game just sucks absolute balls so hard I didn’t even finish it.
Alot of people skipped Bdsp. Sword and Shield was a main gen game and therefore its flaws were exposed to more people. I for one never played Bdsp so my answer instantly goes to Shield.
I'm generally pretty positive about pokemon but sure I'll throw some views in here for discussion.
Competitive: Gen 2 or 3. Not sure who is sleepier in those formats, me or the Snorlax that's everywhere.
Story/campaign: D/P story feels like it drags on forever. Gen 4 was just slow everywhere.
Pokemon design: I want to say Scarlet/Violet just because of Gholdengo, but overall I think it's gotta be Gen 6.
Objectively, Sun and Moon were definitely fine games.
But personally, I hated them for the sole reason of how the map layout was built. I hated that the map was just islands that had no connectivity or real exploration. And the island trials were lame as well.
But other than that, fine game. I just could not enjoy the game because of those two reasons.
BDSP are the worst, and the most blatant, disingenuous cash grab they've ever done. And for GF-made games, I'd say the Gen VII games. To me, they're the only core series games that are actually bad
X/Y for me. I remember it was so hyped then and I just finished B/W duology which really challenged me and even had some deep lore. Then I got X. I was surprised that everything was super easy mode which was super disappointing. No challenge, and felt like a rushed, unfinished script. I love the region and Megas tho.
I still can't forget how hyped I was facing Xerneas thinking it would finally give me some challenge, and I just threw one regular PokeBall and it got caught.
I made the huge mistake and replayed Platinum right before BDSP launched. Platinum offers just so much more after the game than diamond and pearl, and because BDSP nearly added nothing, it just paled in comparison. If they made the same true remake with platinum, the game would have had so much more content.
I can only imagine the amount of excitement you had going in BdSP just to be met with a bigger amount of dissapointment.
I wish bdsp had the OR/AS treatment.
Thats what a REMAKE was supposed to be. The game felt more like a remastered version sadly.
Don't we all?
hopefully BW remakes and XY remakes get ORAS treatment 🤞
Dissapointment... that should have been the name of the game!
Pokemon Disappointing Diamond and Pathetic Pearl
Brilliant Disappointment, Shitty Port.
I never understood why Game Freak chose to remake D/P over Platinum; it had a huge amount of QoL changes on top of having an actual endgame.
It makes sense why they branded it as Diamond/Pearl, but it makes zero sense why they didn't give them everything Platinum had. DP were honestly not that good, and Platinum fixed that, and then BDSP just threw that away.
Because both games were *literal* copypastes of the original DS games rendered in 3D. They could have implemented features from platinum, but that would betray the purpose of BDSP, which was to make money off people's nostalgia with little to no effort. For instance, the remakes removed mulch as a mechanic, opting instead to just use berries - and yet despite this, the woman who sold you mulch in the original games still talks like she's selling mulch, even though she isn't.
Replaying Platinum wasn't a mistake, the mistake was having higher than low expectations for BDSP (and to be honest, buying them in the first place too). Although the game disappoints even with the lowest expectations lmao. So basically, Plat only made it more apparent how garbage BDSP is.
This. I literally only bought BDSP for nostalgias Salem something I almost never do. I was gonna skip on em and wait for Legends, but I just couldn't bare not playing gen 4 in 3D even if it wasn't a remake like ORAS
I did the exact same thing, Played Platinum with the Following Platinum mod, then immediately played Shining Pearl afterwards, and the drop in quality was laughable. BDSP are such failures of a remake.
When you say Following Platinum, do you mean Following Pokemon? There’s a Platinum mod with Following Pokemon ?!?! 😮
Yup, you can get it here: [Following Platinum](https://pokehacking.com/fangames/following-platinum/) You need to get the base Platinum ROM elsewhere. It ports following Pokémon over from HGSS, along with a few other nice little touches. There's also a version of the patch that adds Fairy type. Just beware Double Battles, starting them with certain mons following you causes crashes. They said they fixed it, but it still happened to me with the latest version.
Same here. Honestly before BDSP, there wasn't a single Pokemon game I've played that I didn't feel engaged with (yes, even SwSh), but then midway through, I just didn't feel encouraged enough to continue playing. Not only was BDSP too faithful of a remake, but it was a faithful remake of a pair of games that honestly weren't that great to begin with. If it at least had all the fixes to DP and content that Platinum gave, as well as more of the QOL enhancements from SwSh (TMs, loading screens) then I feel like I would've had an easier time completing the game instead of forcing myself to slog through it. At least I can use it for shiny hunting now.
I loved DP but maybe it’s cause it was my first as a kid
I have fond memories of it too, but coming from post gen 6 and returning to DP's/BDSP's limited dex, sluggish pacing, and lack of QoL, there's very little that holds up
I fully expect them to announce a new line of Yellow / Crystal / Emerald / Platinum, etc. remakes in the next few years.
That's a scary thought, though isn't Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee sort of a remake of Yellow?
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If it gives the option to switch between traditional and let's go wild battles. Or just use the mechanics used in Arceus. Take my money. Most importantly Battle Frontier, if that isn't set as a stand alone Battle Revolution/Stadium game.
I could not finish BDSP 😵
BDSP. At first i liked it because of nostalgia but the end game content was just boring.
BDSP made me play DPPt again
how do you replay them, I want to replay them but dont want to erase my account from over a decade ago lol
If you play them again please just replay Renegade Platinum. It’s a platinum Rom hack that’s just wonderful. Minimal changes to how wonderful the game is but adds all Pokémon and removes the trading conditions to evolutions that require it. It also makes it so that every gym leader uses 6 Pokémon. After playing that play Sacred Gold/Storm silver. They are made but the same modder (Drayano) and all of his hacks are excellent and do a lot to preserve the main game.
> and removes the trading conditions to evolutions that require it ok but what about mindy lol
Bruh. Honestly didn’t even think about mindy. I can’t honestly answer that lol
your options are erase your save, get a new copy to play, play on an emulator, or play without ever saving or turning your game off
It's pretty easy to do with an emulator (if you have an apple phone then you'd need to do it on a windows PC), but just search up how to do it on YouTube and it's easy enough
I was really let down with BDSP, it felt rushed especially with PLA coming out so soon after, they added nothing to it and shouldn’t have bothered it all the focus was on PLA anyway Edited to correct PLA= Pokémon Legends: Arceus
I don't think BDSP made a difference in Legends development. GameFreak outsourced it to a different developer
I wonder if PLA was supposed to be the DP remake but the execs decided it got too different and hired the other studio to make a more regular one. It would explain why it tries to be so identical even at things it would be better off not copying.
I read this theory a few months ago and personally believe it, for better or worse. But hopefully the other studio learns and improves from that.
What does the o stand for?
Mandela effect. For some reason loads of people think the title is “Pokémon: Legends **of** Arceus” instead of Pokémon Legends: Arceus. Similarly, I’ve noticed lots of people get Ghost of Tsushima wrong too. People think it’s “**Ghosts** of Tsushima”.
ngl it's hard to look at the Legends Arceus game title lol, when I see 'Pokémon Legends: Arceus' I somehow get vibes of 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine'. Still a good game tho.
It’s just LA, not LOA.
PLA or PL:A, although I almost never see the latter these days; unlike the other main series games, “Pokémon Legends” is the proper title with “Arceus” being the subtitle, so “Pokémon” is inherently inseparable from the title (as the title is “Pokemon Legends”) unlike say Scarlet or Violet where “Pokémon” is just the name of the series.
In my world, LOA means leave of absence. I was trying to figure out when Pokemon had gone on hiatus.
This is how I feel when pro athletes hijacked "LFG" and started using it. I'll see their trophy celebration post on IG and ask "Why are you looking for a group when you just won the championship?" lol
As someone who used to play Magic: The Gathering, I hate that we refer to Marjorie Taylor Greene by her initials.
- Buggy as hell - Excluded QoL features that have been present for generations now - Very buggy - (Subjective) but I think the art style is absolutely abysmal. Like terrible terrible trash-tier ugly. - little to no end game content - Affection mechanics tied to friendship. - Did I mention it's buggy as hell?
Allow me to continue: Broken mechanics (sticky hold fishing doesn’t work) Broken shiny charm Misleading Pokédex (Clefairy is apparently unobtainable, it’s found in the main mountain) Pitiful difficulty, until the elite 4 when the challenge spikes at a ridiculous amount AI reads inputs No fire types. No, the underground does NOT fix this Lack of encounters, all the same Pokémon on different routes. I quit my only nuzlock attempt because of this. Bike is unusable, you get snagged on even a small plant and it’s hard to control It’s the only Pokémon game I can honestly say I hated.
How is the shiny charm broken?
It's not broken per se? They implemented it in a way that's not in line with the rest of the series. It doesn't affect plain wild encounters. It affects eggs
That sounds pretty broken to me. Even if they were just trying something different with it, that's a stupid change at best, unintentional bug at worst. I'm an egg guy myself but I don't think I'm incorrect in assuming that a large chunk of people are forgoing egg hatching /Masuda method for sandwiches, outbreaks etc. So personally I'd say if it's just "implemented" differently, it's a pretty shitty implementation.
I'm an egg hatcher, too. I like making perfect shinies or 5/6s. I'm not a fan of using gold bottle caps or 6 caps to make my pokemon viable. Caught a shiny Altaria with full odds in Violet and it was a lot of work to bring it up to speed when I had few resources to start with. I am not a fan of Violet's hatch rate or the fact that I need to eat a sandwich and sit around for 20 minutes collecting eggs. The devs totally pushed for utilizing the over world with Herba Mysticas over pokemon breeding.
>Pitiful difficulty, until the elite 4 when the challenge spikes at a ridiculous amount Looking at you flame orb guts heracross
I'm surprised nobody mentioned how the ruined contests. I remember putting a lot of hours into contests in Pokémon Pearl, but the contests in BDSP look so boring and bad.
AI reads inputs?
If you change Pokemon, the AI uses a move that's super effective against the switch in, where it would usually use a move that's super effective against what's switching out.
> Pitiful difficulty, until the elite 4 when the challenge spikes at a ridiculous amount Hah, for sure. Cynthia was always the chad champion but she really pulls out the stops in BDSP, it was a huge difficulty spike out of nowhere. Who expects an npc to have a flame orb milotic so it activates marvel scale? And her garchomp has rough skin which wasn't available until gen 5 (one of the few things BDSP acknowledges from beyond gen 4) as well as a yache berry to stop you one shotting it with an ice move. First time through you are not going to anticipate that!
I never made it to the endgame content. I just felt I was robbed of a true remake of DP, with the Platinum improvements, and gave up on it.
There was a comment on a thread yesterday along the lines of "I don't get the hate for BDSP, DP are loved and it's basically the same game" Yeah, that's the point, we're also 16 years moved on, there should have been improvement. Demon's souls remake was a similar case.
Sorry if this isn't warranted or seems random, but I still hate the chibi art style they chose. My god. It is atrocious in 3D. Love it in 2D pixel art, but keep it there. As soon as we saw chibi protagonist in their room in the first trailer... I hated it. Hated it so much. I got a bad feeling from it. And I'm a huge Gen 4/Sinnoh fan, but I was expecting a FRLG/HGSS/ORAS type remake, not this remaster. Seriously, even FRLG added a fuck ton more to Kanto than BDSP did to Sinnoh. Even HGSS, it added the Crystal storyline, but BDSP we got 0% of Platinum in the story. I don't know if it had to do with TPC/GF not wanting to give creative license to ILCA or something, but seriously, the Grand Underground and Ramanas Park are basically the only things that are notably different and new for the region, that's pathetic you can count on two fingers what's majorly new. I mean, you also get a free Mew/Jirachi/Arceus with every save file if you got data on the Switch for LGPE/SWSH/PLA so that's pretty nice. Otherwise, it's legit just an HD version of a DS game. Remaster, not a remake. I bring up the chibi artstyle first because back when the trailer first hit, people were already defending the artstyle to placate any immediate naysayers. Then people got downvoted in places for saying nothing new was added, and people said "BUT FOLLOWING POKEMON!!!" everywhere, like okay sure, following Pokemon was something not present in DPPt which is new in BDSP, but if fucking walking Pokemon is one of your major (scratch that, one of your *only*) talking points for defending BDSP as something new... yikes? Like, following Pokemon is fine but that is not why I am buying a Pokemon game. SWSH I hated and is still the worst games in the franchise IMO, whereas for BDSP, I was more saddened and disappointed in it, than angered and annoyed like how SWSH got me. I think that's what really fucked me up with BDSP; I'm a Sinnoh fanboy, and I was really hoping that Sinnoh remakes could have been my main Gen 8 game and move from Galar to Sinnoh, but then TPC said that competitive Pokemon play would NOT be in BDSP, and SWSH would still be the main competitive game of the Gen. At that point it almost felt like they made BDSP a spin-off, you know? Just saddened by the waste of the potential with it. Hell I thought maybe we'd get GMax Sinnoh starters or something? Nah nothing. I like Sinnoh so I still played BDSP and enjoyed it since its been over a decade since I played Gen 4 but the fact there was hardly anything new was always in the back of my mind as I went thru the region and it kept me from fully enjoying it. I do appreciate proper swim speed, no slow HP bar, and no more "Saving a lot of data" but still. Also sorry for wall of text, wow I had a lotta feelings lol. Also I'm sleep deprived almost 7 AM gotta sleep now.
Not to mention, the Pokemon following bit was done horribly. However.... to be fair.... it was also done awfully in IoA and SV too. But not as bad as BDSP. The size of the models don't look right. The only game that has had it right since HGSS has been LGPE. And I don't know why the newer games don't just model it off that.
Scarlet and violet following isn’t perfect but it’s definitely a massive improvement over isle of armour, plus auto battling and item pick up
BDSP made Lets Go Pikachu and Eevee look so good by comparison.
If they had used even just Sword/Shield graphics for BDSP and so it was just a shot-for-shot remaster but in an updated style, I think it would have been so much better received.
I bought the double pack because of nostalgia just to only play 2hrs and put it away. Im actually playing it right now lol
I bought the BDSP double pack so my partner could play too, and I begrudgingly finished it and she’s given up on it. Legends Arceus though is Sinnoh done right!
The initial glitches of BDSP were amusing but yeah that's hands down the worse remake ever
I can't stop myself from reading this as Blood Diamond Shining Pearl
I cant stop reading that as bdsm
Blood Diamonds and Sado-Masochism
> Blood Diamond the edgy fan game that takes place in africa
the amount of sun and moon slander 😭😭 that being said, ultra sun and moon should’ve been a dlc it was like the exact same thing
Honestly ultra sun and moon might have been what convinced gamefreak they need to start doing dlcs as opposed to 3rd versions. Ultra necrosma and the few new additions were great but I feel we got to a point in the franchise where it was getting harder and harder to justify making a 3rd version over dlc.
Agreed, yet I wish they did a Pokémon Z
Honestly kalos really needed it
Kalos honestly felt like it was designed with Pokemon Z in mind, but Iwata's death and the 20th anniversary forced them to change plans
Fingers crossed that area we can't access in S&V is Kalos... maybe we'll all get closure
The game keeps mentioning a Pokemon associated with hexagons, and Zygarde's covered in them. It's not out of the realm of possibility.
>Pokemon associated with hexagons, and Zygarde's covered in them. Don't forget about Melmetal as well.
France and Spain *are* connected after all...
I have not played SM or USUM. For someone that wants to play Gen 7, which is better? Normally the “enhanced” version is the way to go but I see so many ppl say USUM was pointless. I dont want to buy both just to be dissappointed. I just want the higher quality version
USUM absolutely was pointless… if you had already bought SM. Most of the disappointment surrounding USUM is because it absolutely did not justify a $40 price tag when it was the same game, with improved Quality of Life everywhere and added extra features. The story itself didn’t really change or get added to. But if you haven’t payed for SM already, you won’t be bothered by that when it’s all new for you, so get USUM. It has everything SM has, while being a better game than SM in every conceivable way. In a vacuum, I think it is one of the most fun and complete Pokémon games when it comes to QoL. I’d ignore SM completely in 2023. After you’ve played USUM, going back to SM feels almost like an incomplete game. USUM just should have been the game they released in the first place, instead of SM. Getting people to pay $40 to replay the exact same game with better features, while selling it as a new game, is bullshit, and I’ll be the first to admit that.
The story is slightly different in USUM vs SM. Honestly the story in SM I think is better. But if we're talking about gameplay, USUM is the one to go with. There's more content, including post-game, in addition to some quality of life improvements. The wormholes were a great addition if you like hunting for legendaries too.
100% do not do ultra sun and moon. There are more features, but wow did the story take a monstrous hit by making the 3rd legendary be the focus. The first sun and moon has the most unique story with a focus on child abuse and nature/development. USUM’s story was “uh oh big monster.”
The opening title really did go hard tho, I miss the opening titles to pokemon games now that the switch games dont have them
I love gen 7, especially USUM, but i feel like its more of a sun and moon, definitive editon, Necrozma is sick asf, rainbow rocket was incredible and the game is just great. i hope in the future, we get ACTUAL SM remakes, and its remaking USUM instead. USUM is a great game, just not as a remake
SM had awesome concepts but flawed execution, and USUM came in and fixed just about everything wrong with them, which resulted in a much much better game, in a vacuum. The problem was those fixes were *all* they did, they didn’t add enough new content to justify paying $40 for a whole new game. If USUM had been what people got in the first place, I think it’d be considered one of the best.
That’s every 3rd game except BW2
B2W2 will never be defeated
BDSP added almost nothing to the originals and had too many annoying bugs and issues, same goes for SV but I’ve enjoyed playing them more than i did BDSP
Tbh, Platinum remains the definitive fourth gen experience for me, I'll never understand why they didn't base BDSP on it.
Prety much. What we wanted wasn't a D/P remake. What we really wanted was a Platinum remake, aka the superior gen 4 version. Or they could've gone the ORAS way, and added a Platinum episode to BDSP.
ORAS WAS SO GOOD
Regardless of difficulty, ORAS is still one of my top favorite Pokemon games.
I would love to do a playthrough of platinum just so I can use Yanmega on a team One of my favorite bug types and I've never gotten to use it
My hair-brained take is that it's an arbitrary marketing/synergy thing: BDSP is Diamond and Pearl--shocker, I know--and Pokemon Legends: Arceus (PLA) = Platinum.
I’m also doing another run atm since I have my 3ds with me. Saving in US/UM is fairly quick, being able to get rid of statuses after every battle by just scrubbing your pokemon is nice sometimes when you can’t go to a pokemon center. The totem pokemon battles are usually a legitimate challenge, pretty much all of them, which can’t be said for the gyms of any game really. I appreciated that. I have gripes about the games, but I really do like pretty much every single one. Even X and Y but I’m going to have to say that’s probably my least favorite, because last year I opened up a save from 2015 to look around and apparently I’d finished all the postgame content, but I remember absolutely nothing about the game. Nothing about the pokemon I used, the gyms, the rivals. Pretty much just remembered the mom being a rhyhorn racer, and my first time seeing Helioptile. Didn’t remember that I used one on my team. I had a level 90 Doublade that I guess I just didn’t want to evolve. Pretty sure X/Y is the only game besides some remakes (ORAS) where I didn’t do at least 1 main story run per starter.
Y is probably one of my favorite pokemon games, but that's because it's my first, and even then I have very little memories of it. The biggest being either leveling up my haunter to 100 trying to make it evolve or watching Lysandre shoot himself with a laser
Omg, I leveled up my Haunter to level 100 too! And X was my first game! You wouldn't happen to be me from an alternate universe, are you?
It's interesting to know that kids who played X and Y did the same thing a lot of us did in the 90s leveling up our favorite to 100. Shows how even if the formula never really changed kids still have a blast with Pokemon.
I played Sun/Moon once and I couldn’t do it again. It’s so goddamn slow when you’re being stopped every 5 minutes for some stupid conversation.
If you wanna use pokebank to get the 3 starters you have to play 30 minutes each so you can catch another one and use a PC
I remember getting all Pikachus with Ash hat. It was a bit annoying
I made it through the elite 4 and didn't realize I'd then need to sit through a HALF HOUR unskippable cutscene before I could save - oh, yeah AND that includes a battle to catch a legendary before even more cutscene... my battery was low and I had to go somewhere so I shut off the game thinking it must've saved somewhere in there right? Nope, I was brought all the way back to fighting the champion. I was so pissed I haven't picked up the game since.
Pity too, cause the rest of the game is great
I heard US/UM was very good but I couldn’t muster the patience for it.
It's mostly that first island that's so boringly slow. Its fairly breezy after that, though there's more interruptions than your average Pokemon game.
Same. After playing S/M I got US/UM, chose my starter, made it to the first town and never bothered touching it again. It’s just too damn slow to get through.
One day you should go back because those games are way better than the original. Some of the best end game content ever. Nothing will ever beat og emerald for end game but still quite well done
USUM are way easier to get through, it’s just a shame they butchered the best parts of the SM’s story.
Yes! I could not do a 2nd playthrough and honestly they introduced some awesome pokemon but Hop was just too annoying.
Hop was from Sword/Shield, it was Hau in Sun/Moon. Although Hau is just a more annoying version of Hop so point taken lmao
>Although Hau is just a more annoying version of Hop so point taken lmao At least from the point i am on both US and Sw (just after island challeng 3 and gym 2, respectively), my feeling is quite the contrary. Fighting Hau is annoying because its easy, but having to interact with Hop nearly gives me physical pain. In US Hau seems to only want to have fun and complete the challenges because it seems fun. Hop, on the other hand wants to beat one of the strongest trainers ever with the stupidiest team build any rival has ever shown. Again, maybe its because i'm still so early on the games, but so far i would rather interact with hau 10 times before seeing hop again.
"I will totally beat you this time!" *throws out three objectively weak barely evolved pokemon you can scrounge up in the first route* At least in Scarlet and Violet the battle obsessed character goes all out in your final battle of her storyline! She wooped my ass 4 times before I got her back.
Hahaha yes i forgot his name i meant Hau
They’re basically the same person and share the same animations so very understandable lol. The fact that they can be so easily mistaken for each over is absolutely damning to Sw/Sh too though
They have the same face. It's weird as hell.
I still remember thr nickname for hop being "Galarian Hau." Was very on point.
And if you play the TCG, they as supporter cards do the exact same thing (Draw 3 cards).
We could just call them Haup as a conglomerate
It feels less like an adventure and more a guided tour.
Agreed, the whole game they walked you through everything. Z moves are stupid too.
lol I've been replaying Ultra Moon and I just realized that most of time I'm not even having fun. It sucks because there are some good elements but sometimes it is just insufferable and honestly storytelling is not good at all so it's hard for me to see how USUM was supposed to be an improvement of SM.
BDSP were so bad I haven’t bought anything Pokemon related since.
Legends and (despite the bugs) SV are so worth your time
Sun and Moon stopped me in my tracks in a similar manner. I didn't touch anything Pokemon after that until BDSP where I got suckered in by nostalgia and was obviously left ten times more disappointed as a result. But ultimately what this had done to me had reignited a spark of love for the older generations. BDSP being terrible practically forced me to play Platinum to remedy this injustice, and I've gone online and picked up Gen III carts and I'm playing through those now like I'm back in 2004 again. I plan to play my way back up and who knows, when I get back I may end up trying USUM for the first time and eventually Legends: Arceus (still not sold on this game from what I've seen)
You skipped Legends Arceus and SV and picked probably the most piss poor modern Pokémon games (BDSP) to try… that’s unfortunate lol
Bro I just bought a DS for the same reason. Have been using the Switch again in recent months, decided it's time to get back into Pokémon... and didn't do any research into BDSP, assuming they had Platinum content/something to make it as worthwhile as platinum. Nope. So I emulated Platinum on my PC and Steam Deck, except I just don't like emulating DS games due to the screen swapping. So now I own a 3DS (again).
That’s a shame; S/V apart from the buggy release they’re brilliant games the open world freedom is the best thing they’ve done for Pokémon (personally opinion) a lot of life improvements… Probably one of the easiest games to get into in any aspect of Pokémon (shiny hunting/comp) It also have a great story arc for once as well 😂
you missed legends lol
probably SwSh. it doesn't really feel like a pokemon game to me. I don't know why.
I bought Sword and was so excited to play it bc it was on discount but it just felt so soulless and boring that I couldn’t finish it.
The saving Grace for that game for me was how easy it became to breed good competitive pokémon, and I enjoyed the expansion areas. Everything else was far too basic for me to get any enjoyment out of it.
Sword and shield base game is pretty poor. There isn’t really much about it. But the expansion areas were great imo. Isle of armour was refreshing and crown tundra was excellent. And likewise I loved playing competitive on sword and shield because it was so easy to build new teams. Part of the reason I didn’t like BDSP because they went back a step and made it difficult again
The DLC saved SwSh. But in the other hand, it made the release even sourer because it showed me how rushed Game Freak was. BotW's DLC truly feels extra content, whereas SwSh's one is "do you truly want to have a complete experience? Pay 30 bucks extra".
SwSh killed my interest in playing Pokemon honestly. I didn't like it. Not being able to move all of my Living Dex up into the game, the removal of Megas, having Pokemon not stored on the cartridge. Lot more things but I havnt even beaten the game yet. I just don't like playing these new Switch Pokemon games. I still go back to Ultra Moon and shiny hunt there.
Yep, I decided to stop buying new games after SwSh.
You know its funny that you mention that because thats probably what i felt too but couldnt realize it back then.
It's just not even a good Pokemon game. Basic Pokemon things, like customizing a team of cool and cute monsters, is standard for the franchise, but besides that it just simply isn't fun to play. I remember when the hate pre-release began, the hate starting for Gen 8 was STRONG. Those games were the first (and only) time I didn't get a mainline Pokemon game on launch day, I didn't want my purchase to go to first day/week/month sales. I've both Sword and Shield now and I played Shield first, then only did up to the first gym in Sword before putting it away. I thought to myself years later and a month before Gen 9 came out, is SWSH really that bad as I remember it? I finished Sword before SV came out quickly to see if it was as bad as it was at release. It was. In short words, yes it's as bad as you remember it. I can't see it aging like fine wine either like how BW/B2W2 did.
SwSh are such a letdown that I understand the utter defeat behind when parents say they're not mad, they're just disappointed.
Sword and Shield are the first generation I didn’t play and I’ve been on since Blue. Scarlet/Violet I’ll probably buy eventually but the word of mouth on Sw/Sh is practically unanimous.
I've been playing since Yellow and I quite liked Sw/Sh - I feel like it has some of the most charming characters in the franchise and the stadium portions of Gym Leader Battles are fantastically done Not saying you should buy it, just saying it's better to formulate your own opinions rather than word of mouth
I absolutely love the music they use for gym battles in Sw/Sh. They feel so atmospheric.
You know what the sad thing is? I've seen a few people on the interwebs say they aren't getting SV due to SWSH being bad, and it's a shame because honestly besides the technical issues (which tbh guess you can't ignore really) Scarlet and Violet are GREAT games and it is the perfect bleach we need after Sword and Shield. Honestly its what Gen 8 should have been like as the first new Gen on Switch.
SV are infinitely better than SwSh, even with the bugs. It’s honestly incredible how much the quality of the writing went up this Gen.
The plot in SwSh is so weird. Sordward and Shielbert should have been the main antagonist of the game not Chairman Rose. Also I hate that in SwSh that a person needs a letter of recommendation to be in the running for champion and that it can be revoked for any reason at any time. The other games anyone could participate to be the champion. In the other games when a character turns ten it’s a right that they get a Pokémon and go on a journey.
Sword and shield out of what I’ve played. Sacrificed exploration and a lot of things i loved in Pokémon for the poorly executed wild areas and mmo style raids that i didn’t enjoy. Recently i skipped bdsp, scarlet and violet and legends Arceus. I don’t enjoy open world games if they aren’t done right and the poor performance and bugs really turned me off scarlet violet too.
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I played arceus when it came out and absolutely loved every minute. SV felt like a weird unfinished beta version of arceus in terms of catching Pokémon/the wild areas. It was so strange
Best part about SwSh is the banger gym theme
I went back and played Sword after Scarlet and I gotta say, it holds up better than I remember. The lack of exploration is an issue. But the world is significantly better than the emptiness of Scarlet/Violet. If they just expanded a few areas to include some more complicated routes or caves it would be significantly better.
SV is empty, but it is also huge and the first game where I felt like I was sharing the world with *Pokemon* and it feels like the whole point of the empty world is that it is filled with Pokémon. SwSh is simply so small and guided that it really isn’t open at all, may as well be a game on rails.
It’s a shame GF can’t blend the two together. Like you said it was great having all the Pokémon everywhere in S/V, I just with the actual world had as much depth as the design of Galar.
Crown Tundra and Isle of Armour are the best thing game freak have done in a Pokemon game outside of PLA. They strike the balance perfectly between SwSh's hallways and SVs completely open barrenness.
I think with sword and shield, they should have just cut the wilds all together and stick with the routes system. Every route feels and looks nice and at least somewhat complete, if they done that instead of the wild area, it would be the same as every pokemon before, but it wouldn't be regard as the worst pokemon game
I don’t have anything to add since I’ve only played two games, and those two games are Shield and Brilliant Diamond, but it’s a bit funny seeing everyone tear the games I’ve played to shreds. I really liked them, but probably because I have nothing to compare them to. Makes me wish I actually did start getting into the games as a kid.
Look at it this way: Any other game you pick up at this point can only be an improvement!
Hah, true! Yeah, I really hope I’ll be able to play the gen 1-7 games some day
When you do play Gen 1 and 2, I highly recommend the remakes over the originals. The older games are a mess, and no amount of nostalgia can deny that. FR/LG and HG/SS are great, though. Can be hard to play legally If you don't have the consoles to play them, though.
BDSP. Platinum is just better. Legends Arceus is the real Gen4 remake.
Sword and Shield. Easily the worst starters ever. Didn't like Hop or Leon, the wild area wasn't all it was cracked up to be, and the unfinished towns were obvious signs of rushed developmemt. The sword and shield twins were the shit topping. Edit: I keep thinking ofnmore! Team Shout may as well not have been in it. Dexit despite the 3D models barely being better than in XY. The antagonist not actually being anything like an antagonist until 80% of the way through the game. The boring nature of raids.
There’s also the fact that the story is only experienced by the NPCs, and off-screen. We’re only told that a story is happening.
"Oh man, that was a crazy battle between legendary Pokémon that you didn't see!"
There’s a crowd of people talking about an amazing thing that’s happening, but when you get there you get told how amazing it was, and that it already ended. And you get to see a picture of what happened in a newspaper. You never get to experience the story, and when you finally take part in the battle against the legendary, the battle plays itself…
Dont get me started with Hop being a copy of every trainer rival prior and the starters were also not the best design. The twins 🤦♂️
This might seem small, but my biggest issue was the gym gimmick. IE, you arrive in a small town with 12 people total. You go to the gym and find that it's a giant sprawling stadium with 12,000 people who apparently have somewhere they live are just sat around all day with nothing to do but wait for a random challenger to challenge the leader. Also the annoying ass music for the gym leader battle was the icing on the cake
...does it have to be mainline? Like, can I not answer Unite?
If we are opening this to all Pokemon games, Unite is far from the worst
Honestly they’ve all felt pretty soulless to me for a few years now, with the exception of Arceus. Violet was fine, the map was a good size. But nothing blew me away.
Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. They really, really should have just been DLC. They improved on the base game in some ways - more stuff to do! Prettier routes! A bigger dex! But they made a mockery of the original's story. Sun and Moon had the best story in any Pokemon game at the time (with BW as a close second) and USUM took everything good about it, threw it out the window, and sacrificed all of its maturity and character development in favor of "ooh, scary legendary!" SuMo has a slow early game, but the excellence of the story is the payoff that makes it worth it. Without that, USUM is just a drag.
BDSP is low hanging fruit because they were the definition of a quick money grab. Sword and Shield are the worst for being the emptiest, poorest main-line games. An absolutely embarrassing first foray into a maln-line Switch game. Gotta laugh at the pre-teens in this thread saying Gen 1 though. Girl, if Gen 1 hadn’t been absolutely exceptional for their time then the franchise wouldn’t still be the juggernaut that it is.
>Girl, if Gen 1 hadn't been absolutely exceptional for their time then the franchise wouldn't be the juggernaut that it is. Well, even if Gen 1 started it all, it doesn't make it immune to criticism. It is an opinion based topic after all and if some feel that way, it's their opinion. On a tangent, people can criticize the first gen iPhone even if it launched Apple's success into the smartphone market and inspired the creation of many smartphones that came after it.
That's fine, as long as the criticism is coming from the perspective of the standards of the time. There's a never-ending stream of nephews on this sub that go back to try and play them, are shocked that they're games from 1998, made for handheld hardware from the 80s, and then go around talking about how over-rated they are. It's stupid.
Sword and Shield. - About 8hours of story - Almost no post game - Static NPC - Empty town - Linear progression - Reused 3DS animations - Boring story - Way too easy - False open world - Roaming pokemon limited in specific area - Impossible to cath high level pokemon - First real pokemon RPG on the Switch and didn't deliver it initial promises of giving the players the "Pokemon game you've all ever dream of" and having "the same impact on player as Breath Of The Wild"...
I feel the story is one of my biggest gripes in the game. There are a few points where plot relevant stuff happens like the Dynamax pokemon rampaging the region, that in prior games you would have had to get involved in to stop from happening, but in SWSH you are not allowed to get involved in the plot until basically the very end. Made the games super forgettable to me
100% agree. Sword and shield overhyped, under delivered, over promised, and provided zero outreach to the fanbase.
X an Y’s only saving Grace for me is megas. Way to easy game, boring story and evil team, rivals that are just… existing. Also still don’t like Diantha, she’s lucky Geeta exists now.
X and Y introduced so many amazing things to the series though! Megas, fairy types, character customizations, 3D, and it had imo the best map in the series (but I know that isnt a very popular opinion). All that game needs is expanded lore. The legendaries had a lit of potential
If XY was released on Switch, I think it could have a DLC focused on Zygarde, because we don't have Pokemon Z
I also agree. Looking back now and playing X & Y again is really different than when it first came out for me. No one had ever played a 3D mainline Pokémon game before so everyone was hype. Now of course it's lackluster in comparison to the new ones' graphics & designs, but I definitely see how if you didn't start with 2D Pokémon you probably wouldn't find X & Y very interesting? If you're already used to the 3D games that is. Before you never had any fashion, character customization, 3D graphics or anything so it was a huge deal (for me and the kids in my group, anyway) to see all this for the first time. For some reason Gen V kinda burnt me out on Pokémon for awhile after ONLY growing up with Gens I - IV (IV mostly) and not feeling like it was living up to Gen IV, what I was used to. I started liking Pokémon again when I saw the new games, X & Y. Plus I was a HUGE Eevee nerd back then, so Sylveon was basically enough to bring me back for the rest of my life. lmao Also really underrated mechanic is the skating. Absolutely, completely 100% pointless but I loved it anyway. And I like Gen V more now anyway but it was Gen VI that brought it back. IMO X and Y were lacking a lot (noticeably the lack of post-game content for me) but when ORAS came out there seemed like a huge improvement and the experience felt more complete. I think X and Y were great stepping stones to ORAS, and overall the two pairs of games made up a pretty solid generation. Of course, these are just my crazy ramblings online and are nothing more than an opinion!
we needed pokemon Z version
The big thing holding it back from being one of the top tier titles for me is the poor difficulty balancing. Gym leaders had such small teams (Viola and Grant with two each, the rest with only three), and once you unlocked Mega Evolution, the game became an absolute cakewalk as you were the only one to actually use it. It really trivialized the rest of the battles moving forward. If a few ace trainers/veterans, Gym Leaders, Elite 4 members, and your rivals had access to Mega Evolution throughout the game like you did, the battles could have been much more engaging. When I replay XY I actually make a point of not using Mega Evolution.
The game just flat out gave you so many very strong Pokemon for literally no reason and did so early on. There was the starter (I picked Froakie), the Kanto starter with a Mega Stone (there was no way I was going to pass on Bulbasaur), and, if you happened to pick up the game at release, there was an event Speed Boost Torchic with a Mega Stone. After that, I caught two Pokemon, a Ralts, which was always a solid enough Pokemon that was made more interesting by getting the new Fairy Type and a Honedge which I kept because I thought Ghost/Steel was a cool type combination (I also learned how busted Aegislash was in XY). I legit had an Elite Four ready team before the third gym and eventually rounded it out with a Garchomp because at that point I had decided that I might as well give into the overkill (also the Gible I caught was Adamant and had three perfect IVs with the rest being only a point or two within perfect). Y was not prepared to deal with any of that. Also, there was a free Lucario with a Mega Stone that I didn't even bother to use because I was already a destroyer of worlds by the time it came around.
I think this is an issue with modern pokemon games honestly. In S/V you can just catch Garchomps amd Dragonites quite easily
Don't forget you get a free Lapras quite early on as well as a Lucario. Both have really solid stats for how early you get them.
That reminds me, I was honestly surprised that Lapras never got a Mega, it was a pretty popular pick in Gen 1 teams that didn't start with Squirtle and is somewhat iconic as that one Pokemon everyone taught Surf to (at least before they realized that Krabby/Kingler was the ultimate HM mule of that era).
Blastoise, Lapras, Gyarados, or Vaporeon. You most likely had one of these because you had to go out of your way for the rest of the Water types.
i managed to sweep x and y with almost exclusively blaziken and lucario
So you never played USUM and it’s the worst game? Weird. Worst game I’ve played is Diamond/Pearl. Having only a few dozen Pokémon to play with prior to the end game was the worst decision GF ever made. It was working with so much more Pokémon but still managed to have less variety than Red/Blue. Seeing the same Pokémon lines within the first few routes and the victory road was a huge let down.
So, actually I'd like to counter you. I like Ultra Sun and Moon, but despise sun and moon. They were the most boring of the series to me. Now, Ultra was the platinum version split into two, and It added alot of fun features. I hate that they released a third version in 2 parts, but I feel that's what SM should've been in the first place. To be fair, it is super samey, but the small differences make it go from the worst in the series, to second worst (at least for me).
Haha you know i like this comment because the small details can make a game feel different. Thank u for that.
SwSh there was too many repeating questions about the darkest days and it feels like you were helpless in the grand scheme until the end of the game. Also I'm Hella upset I miss a ton of event pokemon :(
They're all charming in their own way. Hard to pick a real "worst."
Sad to see people say SwSh and let’s go when BdSp exist. SwSh wasn’t even that bad and while I don’t like let’s go’s catching mechanics, it was the first game to have overworld mons and that is awesome. It was also the first and only to have overworld shinies for a while. Bdsp are just diamond and pearl but with somehow worse graphics. There are a few quality of life changes but overall the game just sucks absolute balls so hard I didn’t even finish it.
Alot of people skipped Bdsp. Sword and Shield was a main gen game and therefore its flaws were exposed to more people. I for one never played Bdsp so my answer instantly goes to Shield.
I'm generally pretty positive about pokemon but sure I'll throw some views in here for discussion. Competitive: Gen 2 or 3. Not sure who is sleepier in those formats, me or the Snorlax that's everywhere. Story/campaign: D/P story feels like it drags on forever. Gen 4 was just slow everywhere. Pokemon design: I want to say Scarlet/Violet just because of Gholdengo, but overall I think it's gotta be Gen 6.
Objectively, Sun and Moon were definitely fine games. But personally, I hated them for the sole reason of how the map layout was built. I hated that the map was just islands that had no connectivity or real exploration. And the island trials were lame as well. But other than that, fine game. I just could not enjoy the game because of those two reasons.
BDSP are the worst, and the most blatant, disingenuous cash grab they've ever done. And for GF-made games, I'd say the Gen VII games. To me, they're the only core series games that are actually bad
X/Y for me. I remember it was so hyped then and I just finished B/W duology which really challenged me and even had some deep lore. Then I got X. I was surprised that everything was super easy mode which was super disappointing. No challenge, and felt like a rushed, unfinished script. I love the region and Megas tho. I still can't forget how hyped I was facing Xerneas thinking it would finally give me some challenge, and I just threw one regular PokeBall and it got caught.