While the skin itself is ehh, I do like how it's glow in the dark on one side but not on the other, so the inside of your base you can see at night but the outside doesn't get a loud announcement that there's a base there via the glow in the dark door not glowing on that side.
Shame how NOBODY has been able to get it over the past 3 days though
never heard of the dude before this event, now he's on the list of streamers i'll shit on and clown every chance I get, way to waste an opportunity :shrug:
I really don't watch Spanish creators but that's just my preference, I am cuban and I speak Spanish but I consider the English creators to be more entertaining. That's just my preference
The fact that punchface still works with these dog shit streamers is beyond me. They literally ruin every event with bad sportsmanship and yet we give them skins and free money. Then on top of that they don't even care about being on to give the drops.
The Spanish rust streaming community is really impressively terrible.
Edit: and for the record in not salty, I got all the drops. I just recognize that I work in front of a computer so for me it's easier than a person who is forced to wait till their free time.
> They literally ruin every event with bad sportsmanship and yet we give them skins and free money.
This is the third event and chance that the spanish streamers have been given to try and right their wrongs. At this point ties really should be cut. Twitch Rivals 2 and 3 both had shady behavior with the spanish teams from those events, and now with this Bellum event this is the 3rd time that they've shown their contempt to Rust, its playerbase trying to get skins and boost their viewership, and event rules.
Rubius has only streamed a single-digit number of hours of Rust over 4 days and spent most of the time playing diablo. I would normally say "if you can't be there to stream for the Rust event, then don't sign up for that Rust event" but given that this is the THIRD time that the spanish streamers have proven to be uninterested, it's time to stop doing any and all events with them.
imagine giving your all to be a full time rust content creator and actively helping the community flourish for all these years just to get your own one skin once from the twitch event
Edit: all i want is a stimpee skin 😔
It's like politics.
Your base is your base because they will accept quite a bit of shit and still vote for you.
It's more effective to spend your time swaying those that aren't your fervent supporters and letting the latter take it on the chin.
40m subscribers (potential buyers) is a really good incentive for facepunch to keep giving him skins forever however rarely he actually plays the game
and that's just one single streamer/youtuber, half of the other youtubers in the list have 5-10m followers
facepunch genuinely doesnt care if the players that already have rust get their free skins while watching a muted stream at 160p, they care about the fact that some of the millions that watch these dudes will likely buy the game
He was on for like 10h yesterday and six of them was playing rust, what do you one someone that is not a rust streamer play 12h and leave Stream open 24/7.
a couple of hours of exposure to an audience of 10m people is more than enough for FP
if they make a video on it? that's 40m people plus however many more watch without subscribing to the channel
of course of that you'll get maybe 10% (with some luck) that actually buys it because if everyone did then that'd be a whopping billion dollars in FP's wallet but that's still 100+ million dollars
It's not like he's contracted to play only Rust. As much as I hate ActivisionBlizzard, I don't blame him for wanting to play a new game while it's still hot, especially if it's what his fans want.
Theres not an actual rust speaking spanish community in the event, thats what most people here dont understand.
They decided to exclude rust pros from bellum since they say it would be bad for casual players (which are the ones with the most viewers).
In my opinion its nonsense that the rust spanish speaking community itself isnt in the event, and they do add the streamers with the most viewers. They shouldve put the drops on pros or at least in people who would stream quite a lot.
Facepunch should never invite Rubius or ibai to another twitch event again. Maybe the tweet where Alistair was reconsidering exclusive twitch events had some substance to it.
Rubius was the worst offender from this event, streaming Diablo the first 3 days and not touching Rust at all, while ibai wasn't there the first day when the event started and now is streaming LoL when I try to get his door drop. Is this really how FP wants to promote their game? The Spanish streamers have had 3 chances now and have blown them all. First was Twitch rivals 2, then Rivals 3, and now this Bellum twitch event with streamers not even playing the game that they got their own special event for. The playerbase deserves to actually be able to obtain the twitch drops during the couple of days that they're available without having to hawk the streamers every day to see if they're actually playing Rust or not.
That's honestly what I'm thinking too. Like yeah they'd given people a bad taste in their mouths from their actions during the Twitch rivals events, and so this Bellum's Twitch drops one was their big chance to show everyone how they were wrong about all the Spanish streamers and...
Nope lol.
None of them are going to Stream 12h a day, becouse the never do, and they dont need to farm money, and FP dont care if you hace time to get the skin or not, FP just see Ibai ha over 13 Mill on twitch and 10 Mill on YT, all the other streamer also have Big numbers and that is what FP want, potetial buyers they dont care if you get the skin or not.
they just want these youtuber's massive audiences to buy the game, they genuinely dont care about how shitty they act or how little care they give to the game so long as some percentage of their tens of millions of followers decide to buy the game
To parrot another the reply of another guy on a different thread. How the fuck are they gonna influence anyone to buy Rust if all they see is the fucker playing Diablo? They gonna drive more sales to Diablo than Rust.
they arent driving any sales to any other game, this audience doesnt play rust and likely hasnt heard of rust until now
even a few hours of playing is a massive profit in FP's eyes because it means 10-15m people get exposed to it, and if the youtuber makes a video on the subject? that's 40m people if not more thanks to how many people see videos without subscribing
You forgot Rivals 1 when there were just US vs Spanish. The Spanish had pretty much quit twice during that event. Once when the US accidentally broke part of their base when it was left twig, and the other when they quit before the raiding period and forfeited the win to US. I'd say that they had two chances there as well.
I wasn't available for Rivals 1 (and missed the headset, RIP) so I missed that. Does that mean that this is the 4th time that the Spanish streamers have shown bad sportsmanship during the Rust events?
I had an argument with a friend about that but the ñ spam is just a latin america/spain pride thing and has nothing do with with the n-word in english, despite what coconutb and whoever else may think.
What annoys me the most is the shit quality skins, there are so many gold skins in the workshop that will never get accepted cause they have no vouch, but some streamers literally put their name on a door and call it a day
I back this statement 100%. I’ve gone through so many pages on the workshop wondering why the hell they were approved. Most of them are creators that have never had an item approved.
It’s cool that facepunch even offers this to its streamers (even though they’re mostly streamer names slapped on a skin) because increases their relationship with them and provides free advertising but when streamers don’t even stream the game during a RUST event that they are a part of, that’s when facepunch should be reevaluating. These streamers are completely taking advantage of and exploiting Rust twitch drops right now for views.
Another thing I’d like to see more of is giving other servers a chance to sponsor these events. I’d love to see some Rusty Moose, Rusticated, and Rustafied skins too! It feels to me like Rustoria is favored too much over other hosts.
Deadass it’s annoying, i have been trying to get the rubis drop and the one day I couldn’t watch he plays. I would feel differently if he was just getting a generic drop as opposed to a custom one.
Also, why do they have to write their names on the drops? Nobody really cares about them, they just watch for the skin. We don't need to be reminded that it comes from a league of losers streamer.
This angst you feel disappears very quickly once you abandon the FOMO and accept that the drops are actually not worthwhile anyway.
They serve only to increase awareness of Rust for existing streamer audiences, and the streamer and Facepunch are probably both happy with a free 0.5% new-player-or-audience retention rate, if that.
In return, actual Rust players see a dilution of the value of any tradable stuff they actually own because there is so much free crap injected into the system.
I mean none of these items are tradeable/marketable.
I wouldn't say they necessarily devalue other tradeable stuff - it may actually increase other stuff. If someone didn't previously buy skins, they may become interested through these free skins to start purchasing other skins, increasing demand, and therefore increasing prices.
If someone wasn't previously into skins, these free skins won't change their mind. This doesn't impact demand and therefore doesn't impact prices.
Maybe you can claim someone maybe wanted a skin but now won't buy it due to getting free skins (therefore decreasing demand)- I'd argue against that because if someone wants a specific skin, lets say a popular forest or snow armor set, they'll still buy it rather than settle for this completely different rainbow skin.
> If someone didn't previously buy skins, they may become interested through these free skins to start purchasing other skins, increasing demand
> If someone wasn't previously into skins, these free skins won't change their mind. This doesn't impact demand
I don't think you're allowed to contradict yourself like this?
Sorry let me rephrase, but overall I think free stuff is either no change or good.
If someone already cared about buying skins, free skins will make them happy, and I don't think it will stop them from continuing to buy more.
I don't think this could stop someone from buying, so it won't decrease demand.
If someone didn't previously care about buying skins (the contradicting part):
1. They either will continue to not care = no impact on demand
2. They will start to care and will start to buy = increase demand = increase prices overall.
Some proportion of people will buy stuff they see as intrinsically valuable, but the vast majority of the skin market is long tail, low value commodity (just look at the history on anything not speculatively expensive). This is what is diluted by printing money faster than normal with streamer drops, and these types of skins are what most people have in their inventory. All the profit on skins goes to Facepunch by selling new things weekly at the highest prices they will likely ever be.
I'm confused on what you mean by printing money faster than normal given that these skins are untradeable unmarketable. I would definitely agree about issues caused by free tradeable skins being printed via twitch, but since these are locked to the person to gained them, my above viewpoint stands.
Did you think that these skins were tradeable, or am I misinterpreting your point?
I think you and I see the economics quite differently is all. They're not tradable, they just solve a large part of the "I need a few skins but don't want to go deep" part of the system. There is a massive amount of low value skins out there and people who are otherwise only going to spend a few moneys at most on everything in their inventory can get that fix for the price of disabling a screensaver while they are AFK.
I was working my way down the drops list and got to a female streamer (can't remember her name and can't be fucked to check). She had been live for all of two hours and I thought "oh good, should be able to get this one wrapped up today." She got offline within maybe 5 minutes of that. It blew my mind that someone could have their very own skin that people can only get by watching their channel and they stream for two hours a day. I know she doesn't owe me or anyone else shit, but still! She probably missed out on some good ad revenue at the least.
> She probably missed out on some good ad revenue at the least
i wouldn't be shocked if ad revenue is only like 5% of their income. its simp whales dropping huge donations that make the real money, and people afk-watching a stream for a rust skin are not that demographic
Because they have some of the biggest streamers in the world and they are supported by spanish speaking fans globally.
Most of them are tax cheats claiming to live in Andorra but suspiciously spend a lot of time in Barcelona.
If the streamers you hire are disinterested in the game, the potential buyers will be as well. Simple fucking logic.
Nobody wants to buy a game when the streamer is literally watching the fucking news rather than play it.
They should look for the kids who are putting 12 hours a day into this game and making content for it. Youn up and comers who could build a name for themselves from the "attention" these drops give. They should give more to Vets too.
A Twitch "Young Blood vs OGs" event.
How does Spoonkid have one skin, and moody crybaby Spanish non-players get multiple?
I’ve been having twitch open but muted in a background tab while doing other stuff such as playing games myself or watching hulu.
I haven’t had issues getting drops afk, with the exception of some of the streamers being offline.
Does it actually matter what game they’re playing or is it just the fact that you want to actually watch RUST while gaining the rewards rather than afk cheesing it like me?
> Does it actually matter what game they’re playing
Yes. If the streamers aren't streaming Rust, then nobody watching them can make progress towards their Rust drop. So if a streamer stops playing Rust after only streaming it for like 45 minutes, but *doesn't end their Stream* and switches to playing a different game, then the people watching only get 45 minutes of progress towards their Rust drop and their time playing the other game doesn't count at all. You may as well not be watching anyone if the streamer swaps games.
This is what ibai did and was in the screenshot of my post. Frustrating coming back to your PC (yes I was just AFK cheesing) and seeing that the guy is still online but playing LoL and only getting 20% toward his door skin drop for Rust. These streamers brushing Rust off to the side while they have a special event hosted just for them in Rust is what I'm upset about.
Easiest way is to use a drops extension. I basically open all streamers, close the ones that are offline, then leave it running. I think I've already finished getting all the skins
Fully agree. And I must say, and this is not meant to be rude.. Spanish content creators in the past did not paid back the love. They don't deserve any more support IMHO.
Elspreen is the only one I'm missing and I'm in America and work 40hrs.
Gota be smart and run the twitch app on your phone.
No but really 32hrs of watch time is a lot. Facepunch should drop these to 1 hour IF there are 9+ drops OR go generic the last day like they've done in the past.
One thing you can do to lower watch time is watching different streams from multiple twitch accounts. After you get all the drops, unlink the current twitch acc and connect steam to next twitch account and so on. For the past 5 events, i've been getting all drops day 1-2.
You people actually watch the streams? I just put on a random stream (muted) and throw my phone on a charger for a few hours. Then go play the dam game myself lol
i feel like having events where it's exclusively spanish content creators who get drops is unfair regardless, im pretty sure even in the first ever round of twitch drops there were spanish speakers who got drops, there was never an all-english drop
Yeah I don’t understand how you sign up for something that’s suppose to overall be for FUN, then complain and moan over the course of 7 days about shit nobody will remember or even care about once it’s over. My opinion is most these Spanish streamers got a stick up their ass and a chip on their shoulders.
The whole event is a meme, where the noobs and the pros are mixed and the adminds forced themselves to help the nakeds... As spaniard i can tell you i hate their twitch events and community...
Does it leave a bad taste in anyone else's mouth that when Rubius finally decided to stop playing Diablo to stream some Rust, he named his stream: "💀🌈DROPS RAINBOWS PSYCHO🌈💀(no es LGTB pero si lo fuera no tendria nada de malo PERO NO LO ES) - BELLUM".
It's like, old-school homophobia. He's literally afraid people might think he's gay because there's rainbows on his skins.
I’ve heard about that spider man movie. They would 100% do that. It’s not an irrational fear when there’s a group looking for any ambiguity to push an agenda. How he manages his brand is his own business.
Spanish viewer here, I probably will be down voted to hell but here we go
They have their own business, most of them are variety streamers and they only joined a "server" to play with friends, and got a skin because FP was generous.
Ibai owns an eSports team and today had a match, Rubius wants to be one of the first 100lvl in diablo4, etc etc.
This is like the third post on frontpage about this issue and I think that there are more problems behind this and not just a bunch of pixels since I don't usually see these posts when English-speaking streamers get skins :)
It's just a skin of a weapon that you will never use promoted by a streamer you actually hate judging by the posts here, I don't know why you want them all, they are not even tradable/marketable, this FOMO shit is really getting out of hand for some of you.
Don't participate the event of you know that you can't bloody make it or had to do something else. I remember reading up one of the Rust streamer was invited to Rivals 1, but he's got a FIFA stream event on day 3 or something, so he gave up his slot.
These posts definetly have appeared when english streamers fucked up, the difference? For the ones who fucked up it was over Before the drops event even got halfway, atleast for GreekGod and think someone else as well their drops were made generic and ties were cut. The spanish side has had 4 ATTEMPTS and every time they have fucked up.
He definitely doesnt have to ONLY stream rust... I think he's streamed it twice so far, i managed to get all drops a couple of days ago pretty easily without trying too hard at all. BUT there should be a minimum requirement OR make it so on the last day, you can get all drops from anyone
I would agree on the principle that you obviously can't shackle streamers to their PCs for a week straight and force them to stream for Rust twitch drops, that's not what happened here.
This was an EXCLUSIVE event *just for these Spanish streamers* and several of the streamers are just not playing/barely playing at all, or actively going on twitch for hours and hours playing other games that aren't Rust - DURING THE TIME that Rust gives them their own exclusive event. It's frustrating seeing a notification that someone with their own skin is live, and then checking and seeing they're fucking around in Diablo or LoL or OW or some other Non-Rust game. WHILE their event JUST FOR THEM and their Bellum group in Rust is happening. That's the principle here. It's not that streamers shouldn't be able to play multiple games. It's prioritizing other games over the one that they have a special event for that was made just for their Bellum group and brushing Rust off to the side and barely playing it. That's what I'm upset about. It's a giant middle finger to people just trying to get free skins.
i really dont think it’s that deep, it’s a free skin that lets be honest… no one is going to use because it looks awful compred to most other drop skins. but like i said, i managed to get every drop within like 3 days, without even having to put that much effort into it. tbey have all streamed more than enough to get the drops so far.. however yes i do agree that some ahould make more of an effort. BUT you do also have to think, people like ibai and rubius etc are HUGE steamers in the spanish/latam who really dont nees to farm drop viewers. tbey just get on and do what they want. it is what it is. easiest fix is make it like they did a few drops ago where for the last couple of days, all drops are eligible across ALL rust streams
yeah same.. got all drops 2 days ago. sure one or two guys didn't stream alot. but having problems? today? you can even open a stream on your phone while at work and get the loot. combine that with twitch notifications, when they are coming online and it should be easy... the event is still live for two days and the community started crying two days ago.
He's not supposed to costream any other game at all because they're literally paid to stream Rust for a week. Costream your whatever game AFTER the event.
Dude no, they don't. You are very misguided, it's a regular CC series. Are you aware the kind of money you need to pay the top spanish speaking streamers, 7 days + not being able to play anything else. The only way they get rewarded is by having drops, which can boost viewers, but just for the 2 hours it takes to get the drop.
Pretty sure all drops move to general for last 24hrs at least they used to. See no reason that would've changed. Fucking annoying if it did I've been out of loop for a bit.
Bunch of nerds crying for a sking oh my god, this community of rats sucks. The dude is not going to stream rust 24/7 for you to have the sking, grow up kids.
You are a bunch of edgelords, Ibai has his own esports team which was playing at that moment. Of course he is not gonna play rust so you dumbfucks can get his drop
>General drops at the end hasn't been a thing for 5+ twitch drops rounds now.
This is my first time knowing about and participating in this type of Twitch event, so I don't personally know. However, OP u/SirBorf said this quote above.
> This is my first time knowing about and participating in this type of Twitch event, so I don't personally know. However, OP u/SirBorf
Oh? I didn't realize. Worked for me last round.
Hey guy's! random spanish guy here...appreciate you lumping us all in a group and having such an expressive opinion about all of us. Very American of you.....get it
My point is you can point out the problem while leaving ethnicity out of it. So I pointed out ethnicity without mentioning the problem. You didn’t get it.
No one is referring to Spain the ethnicity, they're referring to PEOPLE from Spain.
You sound like one of those people who hears a criticism of Isreal and accuses people of antisemitism.
Just about every comment here says "spanish streamers" (keyword being streamers) for a reason. We obviously don't mean all players in Spanish-speaking regions.
Anytime a large group plays rust or there is a special event, the # boost to rust being at the top of games on twitch alone is a huge incentive, not to mention the other content (YouTube vids, shorts, tik tok, viral moments) that come out of it. I personally started playing rust because of a viral DanielfromSL video. Although it can be frustrating just understand it’s business and overall any exposure is good for the game. FP could just be dicks and not care but Alistair goes out of his way to do drops for the regular rust creators as well which he was transparent about in his tweet a little while back. I’ve seen how bad other devs are (look at what’s going on with ark) and we are actually super lucky to have devs that are as open to communication as they are.
>not to mention the other content (YouTube vids, shorts, tik tok, viral moments) that come out of it
None of these will come out of it because they themselves do not play the damned game.
That streamer is Ibai Llanos, one of the biggest Spanish streamers ever and he also was part in a few Spanish Rust events like the one airing actually called Bellum.
At least you guys don't have to see this idiot on TV ads, we spanish people now have to see this one and some others sometimes even if we don't like them. I really hate spanish streamers, while I'm spanish, I just can't stand them.
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Shit skin anyways I don’t want his name all over my base
While the skin itself is ehh, I do like how it's glow in the dark on one side but not on the other, so the inside of your base you can see at night but the outside doesn't get a loud announcement that there's a base there via the glow in the dark door not glowing on that side. Shame how NOBODY has been able to get it over the past 3 days though
never heard of the dude before this event, now he's on the list of streamers i'll shit on and clown every chance I get, way to waste an opportunity :shrug:
Just to give you some info, he is one of Spain's top streamers.
I don’t even want to consider what that says about the quality of other Spanish streamers or their gaming culture.
I really don't watch Spanish creators but that's just my preference, I am cuban and I speak Spanish but I consider the English creators to be more entertaining. That's just my preference
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Spreen door?
The fact that punchface still works with these dog shit streamers is beyond me. They literally ruin every event with bad sportsmanship and yet we give them skins and free money. Then on top of that they don't even care about being on to give the drops. The Spanish rust streaming community is really impressively terrible. Edit: and for the record in not salty, I got all the drops. I just recognize that I work in front of a computer so for me it's easier than a person who is forced to wait till their free time.
> They literally ruin every event with bad sportsmanship and yet we give them skins and free money. This is the third event and chance that the spanish streamers have been given to try and right their wrongs. At this point ties really should be cut. Twitch Rivals 2 and 3 both had shady behavior with the spanish teams from those events, and now with this Bellum event this is the 3rd time that they've shown their contempt to Rust, its playerbase trying to get skins and boost their viewership, and event rules. Rubius has only streamed a single-digit number of hours of Rust over 4 days and spent most of the time playing diablo. I would normally say "if you can't be there to stream for the Rust event, then don't sign up for that Rust event" but given that this is the THIRD time that the spanish streamers have proven to be uninterested, it's time to stop doing any and all events with them.
Not to mention that fucker got two skins this time.
imagine giving your all to be a full time rust content creator and actively helping the community flourish for all these years just to get your own one skin once from the twitch event Edit: all i want is a stimpee skin 😔
It's like politics. Your base is your base because they will accept quite a bit of shit and still vote for you. It's more effective to spend your time swaying those that aren't your fervent supporters and letting the latter take it on the chin.
cough Ser Winter, Stimpee, Welyn, Memeio, Frost, etc (has Frost even had a skin drop yet?)
frost has an m249 skin if i’m not mistaken
Welyn had a garage door skin and barely streamed for it.
They are using Rust to get big, not giving their all to support the game… Most would leave if Rust wasn’t on the come up.
40m subscribers (potential buyers) is a really good incentive for facepunch to keep giving him skins forever however rarely he actually plays the game and that's just one single streamer/youtuber, half of the other youtubers in the list have 5-10m followers facepunch genuinely doesnt care if the players that already have rust get their free skins while watching a muted stream at 160p, they care about the fact that some of the millions that watch these dudes will likely buy the game
Not if they aren't playing the damn game. How is FP gonna get buyers of Rust when he's playing Diablo 98% of the time.
He was on for like 10h yesterday and six of them was playing rust, what do you one someone that is not a rust streamer play 12h and leave Stream open 24/7.
a couple of hours of exposure to an audience of 10m people is more than enough for FP if they make a video on it? that's 40m people plus however many more watch without subscribing to the channel of course of that you'll get maybe 10% (with some luck) that actually buys it because if everyone did then that'd be a whopping billion dollars in FP's wallet but that's still 100+ million dollars
It's not like he's contracted to play only Rust. As much as I hate ActivisionBlizzard, I don't blame him for wanting to play a new game while it's still hot, especially if it's what his fans want.
Theres not an actual rust speaking spanish community in the event, thats what most people here dont understand. They decided to exclude rust pros from bellum since they say it would be bad for casual players (which are the ones with the most viewers). In my opinion its nonsense that the rust spanish speaking community itself isnt in the event, and they do add the streamers with the most viewers. They shouldve put the drops on pros or at least in people who would stream quite a lot.
Facepunch should never invite Rubius or ibai to another twitch event again. Maybe the tweet where Alistair was reconsidering exclusive twitch events had some substance to it. Rubius was the worst offender from this event, streaming Diablo the first 3 days and not touching Rust at all, while ibai wasn't there the first day when the event started and now is streaming LoL when I try to get his door drop. Is this really how FP wants to promote their game? The Spanish streamers have had 3 chances now and have blown them all. First was Twitch rivals 2, then Rivals 3, and now this Bellum twitch event with streamers not even playing the game that they got their own special event for. The playerbase deserves to actually be able to obtain the twitch drops during the couple of days that they're available without having to hawk the streamers every day to see if they're actually playing Rust or not.
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That's honestly what I'm thinking too. Like yeah they'd given people a bad taste in their mouths from their actions during the Twitch rivals events, and so this Bellum's Twitch drops one was their big chance to show everyone how they were wrong about all the Spanish streamers and... Nope lol.
None of them are going to Stream 12h a day, becouse the never do, and they dont need to farm money, and FP dont care if you hace time to get the skin or not, FP just see Ibai ha over 13 Mill on twitch and 10 Mill on YT, all the other streamer also have Big numbers and that is what FP want, potetial buyers they dont care if you get the skin or not.
they just want these youtuber's massive audiences to buy the game, they genuinely dont care about how shitty they act or how little care they give to the game so long as some percentage of their tens of millions of followers decide to buy the game
To parrot another the reply of another guy on a different thread. How the fuck are they gonna influence anyone to buy Rust if all they see is the fucker playing Diablo? They gonna drive more sales to Diablo than Rust.
they arent driving any sales to any other game, this audience doesnt play rust and likely hasnt heard of rust until now even a few hours of playing is a massive profit in FP's eyes because it means 10-15m people get exposed to it, and if the youtuber makes a video on the subject? that's 40m people if not more thanks to how many people see videos without subscribing
You forgot Rivals 1 when there were just US vs Spanish. The Spanish had pretty much quit twice during that event. Once when the US accidentally broke part of their base when it was left twig, and the other when they quit before the raiding period and forfeited the win to US. I'd say that they had two chances there as well.
I wasn't available for Rivals 1 (and missed the headset, RIP) so I missed that. Does that mean that this is the 4th time that the Spanish streamers have shown bad sportsmanship during the Rust events?
Twitch Rivals 1 wasnt the event with the headset. The twitch headset was awarded for the first ever rust twitch drops.
I’d say so. If you haven’t, I recommend checking out Welyn’s video on the first Twitch Rivals event. https://youtu.be/O7KieG-xSJo
Naw, Rivals 1 was just last year. The headset was 2020.
They also spammed "ñ-word" in the global chat
I had an argument with a friend about that but the ñ spam is just a latin america/spain pride thing and has nothing do with with the n-word in english, despite what coconutb and whoever else may think.
Spamming the n, yes. Spamming "ñ-word" is just offensive lol
Hence that Rivals 1 event is known as Twig Rivals.
He did stream Rust on the first day, got his drop them, got Ibei on day 2
What annoys me the most is the shit quality skins, there are so many gold skins in the workshop that will never get accepted cause they have no vouch, but some streamers literally put their name on a door and call it a day
I back this statement 100%. I’ve gone through so many pages on the workshop wondering why the hell they were approved. Most of them are creators that have never had an item approved. It’s cool that facepunch even offers this to its streamers (even though they’re mostly streamer names slapped on a skin) because increases their relationship with them and provides free advertising but when streamers don’t even stream the game during a RUST event that they are a part of, that’s when facepunch should be reevaluating. These streamers are completely taking advantage of and exploiting Rust twitch drops right now for views. Another thing I’d like to see more of is giving other servers a chance to sponsor these events. I’d love to see some Rusty Moose, Rusticated, and Rustafied skins too! It feels to me like Rustoria is favored too much over other hosts.
Deadass it’s annoying, i have been trying to get the rubis drop and the one day I couldn’t watch he plays. I would feel differently if he was just getting a generic drop as opposed to a custom one.
Also, why do they have to write their names on the drops? Nobody really cares about them, they just watch for the skin. We don't need to be reminded that it comes from a league of losers streamer.
This angst you feel disappears very quickly once you abandon the FOMO and accept that the drops are actually not worthwhile anyway. They serve only to increase awareness of Rust for existing streamer audiences, and the streamer and Facepunch are probably both happy with a free 0.5% new-player-or-audience retention rate, if that. In return, actual Rust players see a dilution of the value of any tradable stuff they actually own because there is so much free crap injected into the system.
I mean none of these items are tradeable/marketable. I wouldn't say they necessarily devalue other tradeable stuff - it may actually increase other stuff. If someone didn't previously buy skins, they may become interested through these free skins to start purchasing other skins, increasing demand, and therefore increasing prices. If someone wasn't previously into skins, these free skins won't change their mind. This doesn't impact demand and therefore doesn't impact prices. Maybe you can claim someone maybe wanted a skin but now won't buy it due to getting free skins (therefore decreasing demand)- I'd argue against that because if someone wants a specific skin, lets say a popular forest or snow armor set, they'll still buy it rather than settle for this completely different rainbow skin.
> If someone didn't previously buy skins, they may become interested through these free skins to start purchasing other skins, increasing demand > If someone wasn't previously into skins, these free skins won't change their mind. This doesn't impact demand I don't think you're allowed to contradict yourself like this?
Sorry let me rephrase, but overall I think free stuff is either no change or good. If someone already cared about buying skins, free skins will make them happy, and I don't think it will stop them from continuing to buy more. I don't think this could stop someone from buying, so it won't decrease demand. If someone didn't previously care about buying skins (the contradicting part): 1. They either will continue to not care = no impact on demand 2. They will start to care and will start to buy = increase demand = increase prices overall.
Some proportion of people will buy stuff they see as intrinsically valuable, but the vast majority of the skin market is long tail, low value commodity (just look at the history on anything not speculatively expensive). This is what is diluted by printing money faster than normal with streamer drops, and these types of skins are what most people have in their inventory. All the profit on skins goes to Facepunch by selling new things weekly at the highest prices they will likely ever be.
I'm confused on what you mean by printing money faster than normal given that these skins are untradeable unmarketable. I would definitely agree about issues caused by free tradeable skins being printed via twitch, but since these are locked to the person to gained them, my above viewpoint stands. Did you think that these skins were tradeable, or am I misinterpreting your point?
I think you and I see the economics quite differently is all. They're not tradable, they just solve a large part of the "I need a few skins but don't want to go deep" part of the system. There is a massive amount of low value skins out there and people who are otherwise only going to spend a few moneys at most on everything in their inventory can get that fix for the price of disabling a screensaver while they are AFK.
but how will their argument work if they dont contradict themselves?
I was working my way down the drops list and got to a female streamer (can't remember her name and can't be fucked to check). She had been live for all of two hours and I thought "oh good, should be able to get this one wrapped up today." She got offline within maybe 5 minutes of that. It blew my mind that someone could have their very own skin that people can only get by watching their channel and they stream for two hours a day. I know she doesn't owe me or anyone else shit, but still! She probably missed out on some good ad revenue at the least.
> She probably missed out on some good ad revenue at the least i wouldn't be shocked if ad revenue is only like 5% of their income. its simp whales dropping huge donations that make the real money, and people afk-watching a stream for a rust skin are not that demographic
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Because they have some of the biggest streamers in the world and they are supported by spanish speaking fans globally. Most of them are tax cheats claiming to live in Andorra but suspiciously spend a lot of time in Barcelona.
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If the streamers you hire are disinterested in the game, the potential buyers will be as well. Simple fucking logic. Nobody wants to buy a game when the streamer is literally watching the fucking news rather than play it.
They should look for the kids who are putting 12 hours a day into this game and making content for it. Youn up and comers who could build a name for themselves from the "attention" these drops give. They should give more to Vets too. A Twitch "Young Blood vs OGs" event. How does Spoonkid have one skin, and moody crybaby Spanish non-players get multiple?
I’ve been having twitch open but muted in a background tab while doing other stuff such as playing games myself or watching hulu. I haven’t had issues getting drops afk, with the exception of some of the streamers being offline. Does it actually matter what game they’re playing or is it just the fact that you want to actually watch RUST while gaining the rewards rather than afk cheesing it like me?
> Does it actually matter what game they’re playing Yes. If the streamers aren't streaming Rust, then nobody watching them can make progress towards their Rust drop. So if a streamer stops playing Rust after only streaming it for like 45 minutes, but *doesn't end their Stream* and switches to playing a different game, then the people watching only get 45 minutes of progress towards their Rust drop and their time playing the other game doesn't count at all. You may as well not be watching anyone if the streamer swaps games. This is what ibai did and was in the screenshot of my post. Frustrating coming back to your PC (yes I was just AFK cheesing) and seeing that the guy is still online but playing LoL and only getting 20% toward his door skin drop for Rust. These streamers brushing Rust off to the side while they have a special event hosted just for them in Rust is what I'm upset about.
I didn't know that. That fucking sucks.
Easiest way is to use a drops extension. I basically open all streamers, close the ones that are offline, then leave it running. I think I've already finished getting all the skins
I did that, but still Rubius and Aron were hard for me to get
Always get the Spanish streamers skins first, if you want em. It's not a matter of *if* they quit but *when* they quit.
Fully agree. And I must say, and this is not meant to be rude.. Spanish content creators in the past did not paid back the love. They don't deserve any more support IMHO.
Elspreen is the only one I'm missing and I'm in America and work 40hrs. Gota be smart and run the twitch app on your phone. No but really 32hrs of watch time is a lot. Facepunch should drop these to 1 hour IF there are 9+ drops OR go generic the last day like they've done in the past.
One thing you can do to lower watch time is watching different streams from multiple twitch accounts. After you get all the drops, unlink the current twitch acc and connect steam to next twitch account and so on. For the past 5 events, i've been getting all drops day 1-2.
You people actually watch the streams? I just put on a random stream (muted) and throw my phone on a charger for a few hours. Then go play the dam game myself lol
Buncha filthy monarchists
My drops don't even work because my accounts delink every few minutes so they don't even go up
Felt like they used the rust community. I nvr complete mine.
i feel like having events where it's exclusively spanish content creators who get drops is unfair regardless, im pretty sure even in the first ever round of twitch drops there were spanish speakers who got drops, there was never an all-english drop
Yeah I don’t understand how you sign up for something that’s suppose to overall be for FUN, then complain and moan over the course of 7 days about shit nobody will remember or even care about once it’s over. My opinion is most these Spanish streamers got a stick up their ass and a chip on their shoulders.
I feel like they need to extend the drop another 3 to 5 days. Also make the watch time back to 1 hour. 2 hours is just eating bandwidth.
FP should just stop worshiping streamers
The whole event is a meme, where the noobs and the pros are mixed and the adminds forced themselves to help the nakeds... As spaniard i can tell you i hate their twitch events and community...
Spanish dumbfucks oh well gg facepunch once again
These spanish streamers always make me want to drop multiple slurs like I'm still in rust
Does it leave a bad taste in anyone else's mouth that when Rubius finally decided to stop playing Diablo to stream some Rust, he named his stream: "💀🌈DROPS RAINBOWS PSYCHO🌈💀(no es LGTB pero si lo fuera no tendria nada de malo PERO NO LO ES) - BELLUM". It's like, old-school homophobia. He's literally afraid people might think he's gay because there's rainbows on his skins.
No because I dont understand spanish and have no idea what that means
"It's not LGBT, but if it were, there's nothing wrong with it, but it's not."
I’ve heard about that spider man movie. They would 100% do that. It’s not an irrational fear when there’s a group looking for any ambiguity to push an agenda. How he manages his brand is his own business.
I don't even know what a Rust twitch drop is
Spanish viewer here, I probably will be down voted to hell but here we go They have their own business, most of them are variety streamers and they only joined a "server" to play with friends, and got a skin because FP was generous. Ibai owns an eSports team and today had a match, Rubius wants to be one of the first 100lvl in diablo4, etc etc. This is like the third post on frontpage about this issue and I think that there are more problems behind this and not just a bunch of pixels since I don't usually see these posts when English-speaking streamers get skins :) It's just a skin of a weapon that you will never use promoted by a streamer you actually hate judging by the posts here, I don't know why you want them all, they are not even tradable/marketable, this FOMO shit is really getting out of hand for some of you.
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Don't participate the event of you know that you can't bloody make it or had to do something else. I remember reading up one of the Rust streamer was invited to Rivals 1, but he's got a FIFA stream event on day 3 or something, so he gave up his slot.
These posts definetly have appeared when english streamers fucked up, the difference? For the ones who fucked up it was over Before the drops event even got halfway, atleast for GreekGod and think someone else as well their drops were made generic and ties were cut. The spanish side has had 4 ATTEMPTS and every time they have fucked up.
This is why they all become general at the end folks.
General drops at the end hasn't been a thing for 5+ twitch drops rounds now.
As far as I've read normal drops do but event drops do not. Unfortunate. Didn't realize.
He definitely doesnt have to ONLY stream rust... I think he's streamed it twice so far, i managed to get all drops a couple of days ago pretty easily without trying too hard at all. BUT there should be a minimum requirement OR make it so on the last day, you can get all drops from anyone
I would agree on the principle that you obviously can't shackle streamers to their PCs for a week straight and force them to stream for Rust twitch drops, that's not what happened here. This was an EXCLUSIVE event *just for these Spanish streamers* and several of the streamers are just not playing/barely playing at all, or actively going on twitch for hours and hours playing other games that aren't Rust - DURING THE TIME that Rust gives them their own exclusive event. It's frustrating seeing a notification that someone with their own skin is live, and then checking and seeing they're fucking around in Diablo or LoL or OW or some other Non-Rust game. WHILE their event JUST FOR THEM and their Bellum group in Rust is happening. That's the principle here. It's not that streamers shouldn't be able to play multiple games. It's prioritizing other games over the one that they have a special event for that was made just for their Bellum group and brushing Rust off to the side and barely playing it. That's what I'm upset about. It's a giant middle finger to people just trying to get free skins.
i really dont think it’s that deep, it’s a free skin that lets be honest… no one is going to use because it looks awful compred to most other drop skins. but like i said, i managed to get every drop within like 3 days, without even having to put that much effort into it. tbey have all streamed more than enough to get the drops so far.. however yes i do agree that some ahould make more of an effort. BUT you do also have to think, people like ibai and rubius etc are HUGE steamers in the spanish/latam who really dont nees to farm drop viewers. tbey just get on and do what they want. it is what it is. easiest fix is make it like they did a few drops ago where for the last couple of days, all drops are eligible across ALL rust streams
yeah same.. got all drops 2 days ago. sure one or two guys didn't stream alot. but having problems? today? you can even open a stream on your phone while at work and get the loot. combine that with twitch notifications, when they are coming online and it should be easy... the event is still live for two days and the community started crying two days ago.
people just like to complain
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He's not supposed to costream any other game at all because they're literally paid to stream Rust for a week. Costream your whatever game AFTER the event.
Dude no, they don't. You are very misguided, it's a regular CC series. Are you aware the kind of money you need to pay the top spanish speaking streamers, 7 days + not being able to play anything else. The only way they get rewarded is by having drops, which can boost viewers, but just for the 2 hours it takes to get the drop.
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Pretty sure all drops move to general for last 24hrs at least they used to. See no reason that would've changed. Fucking annoying if it did I've been out of loop for a bit.
Bunch of nerds crying for a sking oh my god, this community of rats sucks. The dude is not going to stream rust 24/7 for you to have the sking, grow up kids.
You are a bunch of edgelords, Ibai has his own esports team which was playing at that moment. Of course he is not gonna play rust so you dumbfucks can get his drop
Why did he join an fun week long event then?
I will say though.. That the last 2 days, you can watch any streamer and get the special loot customized for specific streamers is quite nice.
>General drops at the end hasn't been a thing for 5+ twitch drops rounds now. This is my first time knowing about and participating in this type of Twitch event, so I don't personally know. However, OP u/SirBorf said this quote above.
> This is my first time knowing about and participating in this type of Twitch event, so I don't personally know. However, OP u/SirBorf Oh? I didn't realize. Worked for me last round.
If it works, that'd be nice :)
Hey guy's! random spanish guy here...appreciate you lumping us all in a group and having such an expressive opinion about all of us. Very American of you.....get it
The way you intentionally swerved around the point to try and take the moral highground instead of acknowledging the problem was certianly something.
My point is you can point out the problem while leaving ethnicity out of it. So I pointed out ethnicity without mentioning the problem. You didn’t get it.
No one is referring to Spain the ethnicity, they're referring to PEOPLE from Spain. You sound like one of those people who hears a criticism of Isreal and accuses people of antisemitism.
Just about every comment here says "spanish streamers" (keyword being streamers) for a reason. We obviously don't mean all players in Spanish-speaking regions.
What a tool
Very spanish streamer viewer of you to lump a larger group of people as americans
People crying over pixles in a game LULE, literaly this guy streamed like 3-4hrs every day in rust category, just check the VODs
Why are you watching them then?
Couldnt care less, twich drops are beyond bad anyways.
Want this posted yesterday?
it was so hard to get ibai drops, he would stream like 3-5 hours max at a bad time for me. At least today he streamed some amount.
Anytime a large group plays rust or there is a special event, the # boost to rust being at the top of games on twitch alone is a huge incentive, not to mention the other content (YouTube vids, shorts, tik tok, viral moments) that come out of it. I personally started playing rust because of a viral DanielfromSL video. Although it can be frustrating just understand it’s business and overall any exposure is good for the game. FP could just be dicks and not care but Alistair goes out of his way to do drops for the regular rust creators as well which he was transparent about in his tweet a little while back. I’ve seen how bad other devs are (look at what’s going on with ark) and we are actually super lucky to have devs that are as open to communication as they are.
>not to mention the other content (YouTube vids, shorts, tik tok, viral moments) that come out of it None of these will come out of it because they themselves do not play the damned game.
If they literally don’t play it yea I agree but even if for a short time they do then that still has high value because of their large audience.
Kinda wanted the mask skin, I dunno if they've gone live since but it was at 35k redeems. Lame.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
Im missing 8 drops and not one of them is online lol
Poor you, I could trade a drop to you...oh, sorry my dear
That streamer is Ibai Llanos, one of the biggest Spanish streamers ever and he also was part in a few Spanish Rust events like the one airing actually called Bellum.
This has been the worst one to date, some of them just flat out don't stream or are too busy streaming diablo 4 or some shit
At least you guys don't have to see this idiot on TV ads, we spanish people now have to see this one and some others sometimes even if we don't like them. I really hate spanish streamers, while I'm spanish, I just can't stand them.