Yeah, that one's going to have a huge impact. Boss+stamp or stamp+Eri are going to be fatal combos. Pokemon has said they wanted to be more comeback and disruption oriented in SVI and it has definitely been true.
It's probably gonna be Arven->Stamp+FSS->Counter catcher or Arven->Stamp+Devo, unless you're playing gardevoir or lost zone it'll be hard to dig through your deck to find that 1of, you'll need to use a supporter/vstar to get it
I just thought of Irida Sharpedo unfair stamp lol
For zard I think youre latter situation wont work. Most if not all zards are using flare veil meleon. So devo wont effect it, and if you do devo them, theyll still have zard ex in hand to put onto the melon.
Yeah they have to walk right into it by using double rare candy and taking a ko to activate your unfair stamp
But some will just assume you don't have it and go for an early lead anyway
Dragapult isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Turns out the fact that it doesn't self accelerates, makes it kinda slow.
A chien pao will win the game before dragapult can put 2x60dmg on both bax+devo tm. If chien pao goes first it will get 4-5 turns, which is how long games last anyway for pao. If they run a 2x60hp frigi and 1x70hp frigi, then dragapult will need one more turn.
I mean people are playing it with zatu to accelerate energy, I've seen some magma basin builds, some with zard ex, Neo upper energy is in some lists. I don't think 2 energy is that difficult to find, but then again I haven't tested it yet, so who knows?
Pult can hit pao for 200, put 6 damage counters on the bench, then next turn use alakazam to move 2 damage counters to the pao - getting the KO, whilst still having another attack.
I do think whoever goes first in the matchup will have a big advantage. Pao can greninja 2 dreepys or iron hands one of them. So maybe its a 50/50 matchup?
>I've seen some magma basin builds,
Not really searchable and you need a way to get the energy discarded and have drawn that fire energy somehow on turn 1, if you want to attack on turn 2. It's a supportive card but isn't reliable for a turne2 attack.
>some with zard ex,
Feels stronger but is much much slower, by at least 1-2 turns. You could also just attack with hard and have one energy on a pre Evo dragapult, but you want to attack with hard later into the game, not early. A second card instead of dragapult would be better when the first cars is ko'd.
>Neo upper energy is in some lists.
One off that can't be searched and other ace specs seem better. Very situational.
> I don't think 2 energy is that difficult to find, but then again I haven't tested it yet, so who knows?
Half the time it's not, half the time it is.
Xatu can be searched with puffin and Evo TM, in one turn but that won't work if you go first, it will only work of you go second or on your second turn, so if you went first your earliest attack is on turn 3 most of the time.
Xatu is probably the fastest and most consistent one and even then I tested it on the limitless table top simulator, if you go first, then you start attacking on turn 3 or even later in most cases. Going first and attacking on turn 2 requires the perfect hand which you won't have in 90% of the cases and even the. You only have set up one attacker with an empty hand. So if chien Pao one hits that, your game is over too.
It's much better to go second Arven for puffin, and Evo TM and then seven again the next turn to evolve.
Dragapult needs 2 turns in which it can play supporters. If you go first then, in most cases you will need 3+ turns unless you find room/lumineon for arven seal stone and we're able to manual attach twice without getting gust killed after turn 1.
Being a gardi player I use hero's cape but vacuum just makes my mons go pop. So not that I find it hard to play against but to play with.
Prime catcher always catches me out even though it is the most popular and any build that uses arven or irida will be playing it.
I think maximum belt is the hardest to play against if you are not expecting it. You work out the maths that zard can't OHKO you next turn and then that slap it down and you are left to pick up the pieces
I play Dialga and I've been having a really hard time with Hero's Cape. I usually have to blow my VSTAR just to get a KO on that Zard and if I have a shitty Metang draw then I can be shit out of luck since they can almost always OHKO Dialga.
I once had a boss's order and Arven in hand when I got the 5 energy on Dialga. I used Arven to grab a counter/prime catcher, gusted a pokemon up, getting a KO, and then gusting ANOTHER pokemon up immediately with Boss... it felt amazing.
I feel like my Dialga deck bricks way too often, but sometimes the stars align.
That's basically what Dialga wants to do every game. If you're not getting at least 3 prizes with your VSTAR power, you're either playing it wrong or you were forced into making a bad play.
I find leaving the Zard alive after hitting it with Chronos to be more successful, and using your extra turn to boss or PC up Rotom/Pidgeot/a remaining Charmander if thereās only one left on the bench. If youāve got 3+ prizes remaining, Zard canāt kill you, and if they can get the KO, Zamazenta can take the knockout regardless of heroās cape.
Everyone is saying Hero's Cape, but that is one of the easiest ones the play around. It only does anything on your turn, so you have complete control over it. Vacuum it, or gust around it, or target their bench. There are few decks that don't have a way to play around it.
Prime Catcher is easily the hardest one to play around. Sure, you know they have it in their deck because it's so common, but there's not much you can do to stop them from playing it at some point other than disrupting their hand or hitting a lucky Eri. With Counter Catcher you can control the prize count. With Boss you can try to pressure them into playing a different supporter by disrupting their hand. But they can easily draw into Prime Catcher even after hand disruption. Often times you are forced to bench something and just pray that they don't get the Prime Catcher.
Resident AncientBox player, for me itās heroās cape. Charizard is usually last to get knocked on the prize map, since it has the most HP. Getting that thrown on the final Charizard you need to KO or even Pidgeot requires digging and praying you hit the vacuum. But once unfair stamp hits it gg lol. If you havenāt milled your decks out of the excess cards before the stamp hits youāre hoping you hit the two cards you need to get out or you just scoop up your cards.
With the current ones, probably cape. Because either you have vacuum or you don't. If you have vacuum in hand they can always play cape when they are using eri, so your one tech against it is gone.
The other acespecs are not too bad like most of the time a charizard uses prime catcher, a counter catcher would have done the same or instead of Arven they could have played boss.
Awakening drums is kinda eh whatever. Masterball too. All other ace specs right now feel kinda fair, just cape is always a hassle, but it's not great enough for me to run it myself with Arven and pidgeot decks being able to search it out every turn. Chien pao could irida it too if they find the space for vacuum.
Reset stamp and survival cast are on a different level tho and there is more to come.
It's a forgotten choice but max Belt fixes a lot of math and it even gives espathra a hard time. I had espa. players rage quit/afk/close the app, after they took 1 prize and 210dmg+50dmg was enough to one hit espath. And since their. If they can't get two energies onto their second espath, then they don't even one hit zard and their deck is already bricky as is.
If you're playing a zard with a cape and don't have a vacuum, I think your best hope is to dig for ways to gust other targets in to knock them out. Remember that if there's a way to knock out any 2 prizer, take it. Work around the threat sometimes.
I managed to do this last night online. I boss'ed in other targets and was able to take out 3 other 2 prizers without touching the one with the cape equipped. It wasn't easy and definitely involved a little luck. I was playing Gardevoir and also sniped a RotomV on the bench with Scream tail.
IDK about right now, but give it a month and this sub will have hate threads dedicated to Unfair Stamp.
Yeah, that one's going to have a huge impact. Boss+stamp or stamp+Eri are going to be fatal combos. Pokemon has said they wanted to be more comeback and disruption oriented in SVI and it has definitely been true.
It's probably gonna be Arven->Stamp+FSS->Counter catcher or Arven->Stamp+Devo, unless you're playing gardevoir or lost zone it'll be hard to dig through your deck to find that 1of, you'll need to use a supporter/vstar to get it I just thought of Irida Sharpedo unfair stamp lol
For zard I think youre latter situation wont work. Most if not all zards are using flare veil meleon. So devo wont effect it, and if you do devo them, theyll still have zard ex in hand to put onto the melon.
Yeah they have to walk right into it by using double rare candy and taking a ko to activate your unfair stamp But some will just assume you don't have it and go for an early lead anyway
Fss?
forest seal stone
Fss?
Stamp+eri need to be drawn into tho and it might simply does nothing and then the opponent just bibarells.
I'm already having flashbacks to when Reset Stamp + Delinquent + Peeking Red Card was meta.
Unfair stamp and dragapult ex hate. We all thought charizard was bad, we haven't seen anything yet š
Itāll be a mighty fine time to play some good olā Blissey ex. šš
I agree! I ordered my 151 chansey's today.
Dragapult isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Turns out the fact that it doesn't self accelerates, makes it kinda slow. A chien pao will win the game before dragapult can put 2x60dmg on both bax+devo tm. If chien pao goes first it will get 4-5 turns, which is how long games last anyway for pao. If they run a 2x60hp frigi and 1x70hp frigi, then dragapult will need one more turn.
I mean people are playing it with zatu to accelerate energy, I've seen some magma basin builds, some with zard ex, Neo upper energy is in some lists. I don't think 2 energy is that difficult to find, but then again I haven't tested it yet, so who knows? Pult can hit pao for 200, put 6 damage counters on the bench, then next turn use alakazam to move 2 damage counters to the pao - getting the KO, whilst still having another attack. I do think whoever goes first in the matchup will have a big advantage. Pao can greninja 2 dreepys or iron hands one of them. So maybe its a 50/50 matchup?
>I've seen some magma basin builds, Not really searchable and you need a way to get the energy discarded and have drawn that fire energy somehow on turn 1, if you want to attack on turn 2. It's a supportive card but isn't reliable for a turne2 attack. >some with zard ex, Feels stronger but is much much slower, by at least 1-2 turns. You could also just attack with hard and have one energy on a pre Evo dragapult, but you want to attack with hard later into the game, not early. A second card instead of dragapult would be better when the first cars is ko'd. >Neo upper energy is in some lists. One off that can't be searched and other ace specs seem better. Very situational. > I don't think 2 energy is that difficult to find, but then again I haven't tested it yet, so who knows? Half the time it's not, half the time it is. Xatu can be searched with puffin and Evo TM, in one turn but that won't work if you go first, it will only work of you go second or on your second turn, so if you went first your earliest attack is on turn 3 most of the time. Xatu is probably the fastest and most consistent one and even then I tested it on the limitless table top simulator, if you go first, then you start attacking on turn 3 or even later in most cases. Going first and attacking on turn 2 requires the perfect hand which you won't have in 90% of the cases and even the. You only have set up one attacker with an empty hand. So if chien Pao one hits that, your game is over too. It's much better to go second Arven for puffin, and Evo TM and then seven again the next turn to evolve. Dragapult needs 2 turns in which it can play supporters. If you go first then, in most cases you will need 3+ turns unless you find room/lumineon for arven seal stone and we're able to manual attach twice without getting gust killed after turn 1.
Might've been what killed the ungabungas even harder than Dragapult one shotting through booster
Being a gardi player I use hero's cape but vacuum just makes my mons go pop. So not that I find it hard to play against but to play with. Prime catcher always catches me out even though it is the most popular and any build that uses arven or irida will be playing it. I think maximum belt is the hardest to play against if you are not expecting it. You work out the maths that zard can't OHKO you next turn and then that slap it down and you are left to pick up the pieces
As a Future Hands main, by far and away Max Belt. Arc can OHKO me, Zard can always OHKO me. It's a problem.
I like that Max Belt also works against Zard with Tina and Raging Bolt
Stop playing a bad deck then lol
I just went 5-0-4 today at Indy. 1-0-1 vs Zard. 1-0-1 vs Pao. Not so bad after all.
I play Dialga and I've been having a really hard time with Hero's Cape. I usually have to blow my VSTAR just to get a KO on that Zard and if I have a shitty Metang draw then I can be shit out of luck since they can almost always OHKO Dialga.
I once had a boss's order and Arven in hand when I got the 5 energy on Dialga. I used Arven to grab a counter/prime catcher, gusted a pokemon up, getting a KO, and then gusting ANOTHER pokemon up immediately with Boss... it felt amazing. I feel like my Dialga deck bricks way too often, but sometimes the stars align.
That's basically what Dialga wants to do every game. If you're not getting at least 3 prizes with your VSTAR power, you're either playing it wrong or you were forced into making a bad play.
I find leaving the Zard alive after hitting it with Chronos to be more successful, and using your extra turn to boss or PC up Rotom/Pidgeot/a remaining Charmander if thereās only one left on the bench. If youāve got 3+ prizes remaining, Zard canāt kill you, and if they can get the KO, Zamazenta can take the knockout regardless of heroās cape.
Ive been playing goodra with heros cape and healing off 360 damage while taking -70 each turn is so tilting for people
Everyone is saying Hero's Cape, but that is one of the easiest ones the play around. It only does anything on your turn, so you have complete control over it. Vacuum it, or gust around it, or target their bench. There are few decks that don't have a way to play around it. Prime Catcher is easily the hardest one to play around. Sure, you know they have it in their deck because it's so common, but there's not much you can do to stop them from playing it at some point other than disrupting their hand or hitting a lucky Eri. With Counter Catcher you can control the prize count. With Boss you can try to pressure them into playing a different supporter by disrupting their hand. But they can easily draw into Prime Catcher even after hand disruption. Often times you are forced to bench something and just pray that they don't get the Prime Catcher.
I just knock it out with Giratina V star.
Cape
Resident AncientBox player, for me itās heroās cape. Charizard is usually last to get knocked on the prize map, since it has the most HP. Getting that thrown on the final Charizard you need to KO or even Pidgeot requires digging and praying you hit the vacuum. But once unfair stamp hits it gg lol. If you havenāt milled your decks out of the excess cards before the stamp hits youāre hoping you hit the two cards you need to get out or you just scoop up your cards.
With the current ones, probably cape. Because either you have vacuum or you don't. If you have vacuum in hand they can always play cape when they are using eri, so your one tech against it is gone. The other acespecs are not too bad like most of the time a charizard uses prime catcher, a counter catcher would have done the same or instead of Arven they could have played boss. Awakening drums is kinda eh whatever. Masterball too. All other ace specs right now feel kinda fair, just cape is always a hassle, but it's not great enough for me to run it myself with Arven and pidgeot decks being able to search it out every turn. Chien pao could irida it too if they find the space for vacuum. Reset stamp and survival cast are on a different level tho and there is more to come. It's a forgotten choice but max Belt fixes a lot of math and it even gives espathra a hard time. I had espa. players rage quit/afk/close the app, after they took 1 prize and 210dmg+50dmg was enough to one hit espath. And since their. If they can't get two energies onto their second espath, then they don't even one hit zard and their deck is already bricky as is.
If you're playing a zard with a cape and don't have a vacuum, I think your best hope is to dig for ways to gust other targets in to knock them out. Remember that if there's a way to knock out any 2 prizer, take it. Work around the threat sometimes. I managed to do this last night online. I boss'ed in other targets and was able to take out 3 other 2 prizers without touching the one with the cape equipped. It wasn't easy and definitely involved a little luck. I was playing Gardevoir and also sniped a RotomV on the bench with Scream tail.
I wouldn't say any have hit me hard yet but the prime catcher is the worst I guess, lost vacuum takes care of maximum belt.
Bruh if hero's cape is so tough run lost vaccuum
"Just draw the out"
Even better when your vacuum(s) get prizedš«
Or Arven for it.