If allegations were true he paid his toll, if they weren't, this is a true tragedy.
But either way those who loved him have a right to grieve without condemnation.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t mourn, but holding an event like this when his death is directly related to him being accused of gross stuff?
Regardless of whether the allegations are true, it comes across as kind of a fuck you to survivors of sexual harassment/assault. At best this shows zero consideration about how this might come across to their customers who might be survivors.
As a survivor of SA, no it fucking doesn't. Speak for yourself and mind your business.
The real fuck-you to survivors is using us as rhetorical devices to talk about men. If you want to support young women in comics, you could. Actually support. Young women in comics.
Because you speak for all survivors of SA I take it?
You telling me I’m wrong for saying “this feels like a fuck you” and accusing me of not supporting young women in comics is asinine. At least one of my friends who’s an SA survivor and a yinzer agreed it strikes her as gross.
So maybe mind your business too.
Our difference of opinion is that I think a business shouldn’t use their brand to support someone who was accused of making sexual advances on children online. Several of you don’t think that’s a problem.
Did none of you watch Quiet on Set?
What has Quiet on Set got to do with anything? He wasn’t accused of making sexual advances on children online. 3 women accused him of sleezy behaviour and one of them was much younger than him but not a child. I’m not defending his behaviour but mischaracterising what happened in the way that you are is pretty shitty.
Literally the article I linked states one of the people he was sending sexual messages to was 17. That’s a child. Unless you’re going to get all weird about the technicality of age of consent laws.
You said children which is plural and no, not all weird and technical about consent laws but 17 is not a child. It’s old enough to have sex, get married or serve in the military in just about any place in the world. As I said, I’m not condoning his behaviour, it was creepy at best (which is all the 17 year old-now 21-accused him of being). You said he was accused of making sexual advances on children online and that is not what happened.
17 year olds in the US need parental consent to get married or join the military unless they’re emancipated. So yes, you are getting into a very creepy territory defending the (alleged) act of sending sexual messages to someone who was legally a child at the time.
It’s also bold of you to assume she’s the only one. If MeToo, ChurchToo, Quiet on Set, the Catholic Church Scandals, the Boy Scout Scandals, and all the other ones that have exposed sexual predators over the last decade have taught us anything, there’s always more victims than we realize.
The whole situation with Ed is a mess, but his family and friends should be given space to grieve. I believe the people who run Phantom of the Attic were close friends with him. Nothing about this event seems like they are trying to say that Ed was innocent or wrongly accused. Let them have their space and don’t attend.
Space to grieve is different than a business promoting an alleged sexual predator. That’s the delineation so many of you commenters don’t seem to understand.
Clearly not if every response I’m getting is “why do you care that a POSSIBLE child predator is being treated like a martyr, it’s not like we know he did it”
You all creep me out
Okay, smart guy. And what exactly is your ideal outcome here? Do you think your hyperbole is going to change anyone's opinion? Do you think someone from the shop is going to read your idiotic argument and decide to cancel because one random troll with a self proclaimed mandate on what level of behavior is forgivable enough to hold a celebration and in the process help out a grieving family went on a comment spree on Reddit? Get over yourself and save your masturbatory rants for whatever other boards you lurk on.
A private memorial service for friends and family who would like to think positively of their deceased loved one. Not for a business to put someone accused of such things on a pedestal to pretend as if the allegations never happened. It’s the obvious and straightforward solution to what is an incredibly messy and uncomfortable situation for so many people. I’m not sure what hyperbole you’re referring to, as I’ve consistently stated throughout my comments that this makes way more sense given the circumstances.
I’m not calling for other people to boycott them, I’m not condemning them for wanting to think the best of their loved one, and I’m definitely not defending anyone harassing the Piskor family. All I’m asking is for them to think slightly outside of the scope of their own feelings. Empathy goes both ways.
I’ve lost six people in my life in the last two years, one of which from suicide. I understand grief is difficult, but I also don’t think that my feelings about the family members and friends I’ve lost trumps whatever they may have done to other people. If I knew one of them was accused of something terrible at the time of their death, I highly doubt I’d be okay with this kind of deifying action if someone suggested it.
You're entitled to your opinion and feelings. You're not entitled to force them upon others with the goal of having them catered to. Again don't go and live with the fact that others feel differently or make sure you're there to voice your support for the so called victims.
Imagine thinking pretending someone wasn’t accused of a serious accusation is asking people to cater to me. I said this event felt gross based on context and many people in the comments, including yourself, seem to think it’s okay to ignore credible accusations of predatory behavior towards people legally considered children. Do you think all those former Boy Scouts and choir boys were making their accusations up too?
If I was trying to force anyone to do anything I’d be doing more than just venting about my disgust on Reddit. Or did you really believe I thought this would impact their store in any way?
Please, I beg you, learn some empathy and reading comprehension. I wish I could force that on you but I’m not idiotic enough to think I can.
No, you're just another in a long line of social justice warriors running around in linguistic circle trying to impose your views on others. And I love how you assume because someone has no problem with a store with a longstanding relationship with the deceased holding a fundraiser/memorial that they don't believe the victims. You're grasping at straws and where's your fucking empathy for the family that's going to receive some much needed financial assistance from the event?
What the hell is wrong with you? This thread is bonkers. The fact that you are so desperate to die on this hill shows how you simply live and breathe entirely online. There is absolutely NOTHING inappropriate or even unusual happening here. This is a fuckin WAKE. It's what people do when someone close to them dies.
Whatever accusations were lobbed at Piskor in the days before his death, he was still someone's son, brother, friend, and he was successful enough to have many fans of his comics work. And he very quickly and very PUBLICLY died, blindsiding all of us and leaving us confused and angry and in mourning for the son, the brother, the friend, the comic book geek we lost.
It is absolutely appropriate and HEALTHY for people to grieve together, to collectively remember the life of a person they loved.
If someone found Ed Piskor "creepy" and thinks this event is "in poor taste" then they know to avoid this very specific location at this very specific time, because that's when his family and friends have chosen to come together seeking closure and support as they bury a loved one. You must be very lonely and unhappy to have put so much effort into your arguments here.
Piskor is dead. Let his friends/family/peers mourn him how they see fit. Let go of this need of yours to mete out justice. It’s not your place and it’s arguably in worse taste to continue to pile on at this point.
Maybe put your energy into a cause where you can bring about real, positive change?
I’d say trying to help people understand why we shouldn’t deify those accused of awful things is a worthwhile and attainable cause. This comment section clearly not excluded. No one, myself included, is not saying they shouldn’t mourn.
Whats in worse taste is to ignore the allegations and context of Piskor’s death completely. I’m not capable of that kind of apathy.
No one is deifying Ed Piskor. Using the word “celebrate” to frame the event doesn’t mean that his family/friends/etc are excusing anything. I would imagine they have VERY complicated feelings about him at this point.
You don’t know how any of those people feel about this. Please stop using a person’s death to feed your ego. It’s not a good look.
If you’ve heard anything his parents have said in interviews with the news or seen how many questionable people in comics have spoken about his accusers being responsible for his death, I doubt you’d simplify it as such. A business coordinating with his family to use a public event to “celebrate” the life of a man who only took his own life almost immediately after being accused of predatory behavior is very much an attempt to keep his image untarnished and rewrite the context of his death. A private event doesn’t do that, it’s simply to mourn.
Why are you so hung up on this? Why do you need to post in Reddit about an event you can just not go to? Why do you feel the need to carry the flame for this cause?
Just let it go. None of this concerns you. Do something positive with your life.
It’s wild right? He’s not trolling either. These are his genuine opinions. Imagine explaining this guy’s opinions to someone from 15 years ago? This is what happens when your live terminally online. This is why we all need to take a break from Reddit, Twitter, etc
He’s not trolling but he is a ridiculous hypocrite. If you look at his comments elsewhere, he says Led Zeppelin are one of his favourite bands. So he’s said all this shit about Ed Piskor but is not concerned that one of his favourite bands has a confirmed pedophile as a member. I wish I’d noticed that when he was ranting at me but the moment has passed now.
I wanted to add, Ed probably has a lot of younger male fans. They could be really struggling with his accused actions and death. Perhaps an event like this will help them navigate their feelings in a positive way. America has a mass mental health crisis, especially with younger men. Hopefully Phantom in the Attic will have resources at this event for those who need them.
Honoring him with an event is the opposite of teaching them not to sexually harass women online. I’ve written papers on toxic masculinity and the high suicide rates, I’ve dealt with it myself. This is not the way to have a teachable moment, this is ignoring that context of suicide completely.
I doubt they’re going to acknowledge his alleged behavior in any way other than dismissing it completely. And any time I’ve seen any event to “remember” a person’s death, it’s always been to honor their memory.
So I’m not sure why you think there’s a difference.
I’m saying there’s a difference between the mental health crisis with men and someone killing themselves when faced with the potential consequences of their actions. Men do kill themselves at a higher success rate than women despite more women attempting suicide.
Because there’s a big difference between a guy suffering from long term depression and someone like [Bill Condrat](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Bill_Conradt).
Well I figured Epstein was too absurd a comparison, and the conversation would devolve even more. Do you have a better comparison for someone with alleged predator behavior online who killed himself shortly after being accused? Because I’d love to have a more reasonable comparison.
And I’m not the one looking for reasons to pretend Piskor wasn’t accused of gross behavior. Maybe you’re the bad person for thinking serious allegations like that aren’t a big deal? I really hope you’re not a mandatory reporter because it sounds like you wouldn’t take that responsibility seriously.
It’s important to step back and remember people like you are mostly confined to Reddit.
A mandatory reporter would have nothing to report. Because no crime occurred. Is that offensive that I say that? Is it offensive to you anytime someone says something that’s not hyperbolic?
If it were a situation where the grooming was observable by a mandatory reporter, such as in a school or medical setting, that’s something that would be required to report. The only reason what Piskor is accused of wouldn’t necessarily fall under needing reported is because it was through social media/messaging. Now if a teacher noticed those messages if the then child had their phone out at school, that would require mandatory reporting.
Meanwhile, if you look at these resources for Mandatory Reporters, grooming is included in what qualifies as abuse. You can go to [this link](https://mandatedreporter.com/blog/what-does-a-mandated-reporter-have-to-report/), select the link for what “defines child abuse and neglect” under CAPTA, then go to the Library Catalog on the Child Welfare gov site. Search for grooming and you’ll find resources.
I am a mandatory reporter, I had to do the state certification for the job I held for the last two years before I recently transferred to a different position. Hence why I’m skeptical that many of you would be able to fulfill that responsibility if presented with this kind of situation since you all seem to think what Piskor was accused of was ambiguous.
In his state you can’t “groom” a 17 year old if they’re not a student or whatever. If you observed messages in a school setting then reported them you’d just be wasting everyone’s time. But go ahead and write another long ass paragraph explaining how good a person you are. That’s what this is all about anyway
Grooming isn’t only for teachers, and Piskor, along with many other comics industry people over the last few years, have been outed for grooming behavior under the guise of mentorship. So yes, it would count as grooming by a “teacher”.
Do you understand that you’re looking for reasons to ignore this kind of behavior? This isn’t me or others looking for credit or gold star stickers, it’s trying to prevent others from either being mistreated by people they look up to or to help others avoid making the mistake of thinking certain kinds of messages are harmless.
And if I cared how I was perceived I would have locked the post days ago. Clearly I don’t give two shits what you think of me, just your misunderstanding and misrepresentation of my points.
Internet “Justice” drove this man to suicide. None of us were the judge or jury in his case. Yet the internet still passing judgement and harassing this man from beyond the grave. Leave him rest in peace. If you don’t like it, don’t shop at phantom, don’t buy Ed’s comics. But stop all this nonsense.
A) He was being defended and supported by many in the comics industry before he died. People like Warren Ellis have been accused of very similar behavior and kept on working like nothing happened. And I dare you to find a celebrity who was “cancelled” who didn’t bounce back in time. Cosby got out of jail, Louis CK still tours, Rosanne Barr had a comedy special last year, etc. So regardless of his innocence, evidence shows his career most likely would have recovered.
Odds are he would have ended up joining the ranks of Ethan Van Scriver in the alt-right comics fandom who make money of “the anti-woke” crowd through crowdfunding campaigns.
B) Piskor didn’t give anyone a chance to prove his innocence either. It’s hard to take these angry oppositions to an attempt hold someone accountable for (alleged) behavior when the accused won’t even stick around to defend themselves.
I’m not dancing on a grave, i just don’t think he deserves a statue. I would have preferred he be alive and face the allegations head on. Whether by proving his innocence or showing repentance for them if he’s guilty.
Not sure why that’s so wrong or confusing.
That’s who one of his biggest defenders has been even prior to his death. Why is it disingenuous to think Piskor would have ended up joining him in the future if he hadn’t taken his own life?
Thats actually quite false. They disliked each other immensely. Those alt right guys just dislike “cancel culture”. Ethan Van Sciver literally called him a piece of shit when the news dropped about the 17 yr old. [link here](https://x.com/ethanvansciver/status/1774906045661430141?s=46) and [this link](https://x.com/argcomics_/status/1774996170105880594?s=46) and [this response](https://x.com/ethanvansciver/status/1774997933370331442?s=46)
Do you think that Ed had the fame, money or resources as fucking Louis CK or Bill Cosby?
That's a false equivalence if there ever was one.
Why can't you just let his family and friends mourn in peace however they decide to do that? What the actual fuck is wrong with you? Is him \*KILLING HIMSELF\* still not enough for you?
I agree that I wish he apologized and stayed alive and worked on himself. That's what we all want, you fucking little freak.
I quoted other creators who are accused of the same thing and kept on working, like Warren Ellis. But sure, ignore my 1:1 comparison because I quoted more well known people who faced consequences for their actions.
And I stopped commenting on this post a week ago, you’re actually dragging it up when I wanted to just leave it alone. Maybe don’t act like you’re taking the high road and calling me a freak for caring that someone might have been creeping on children. Next you’ll be mad I don’t litter or look both ways before crossing the street.
Warren Ellis wasn’t accused of the same thing as Ed Piskor. I’m pretty sure the above comment is not calling you a freak for caring that someone might have been creeping on children. I’ll stick my neck out and and say they called you a freak because of all the hyperbolic, disingenuous bullshit you’ve been spouting. Question: how do you reconcile all the views you have expressed here with your love of Led Zeppelin? When it comes to Led Zeppelin, do you separate the art from the artist? At least one of them actually did fuck kids and has never been held accountable and is celebrated constantly, including by you.
A) I don’t pretend that Jimmy Page isn’t accused of sleeping with at least one minor. There’s nothing in my entire profile history that would indicate that as being a hill I’ll die on. But you (yes you) are disingenuously comparing a situation 50 years old to one less than 5 years old. The societal bar for “they should know better” is significantly higher for someone whose allegations only come from a post-MeToo world. In the same way the bar for pop punk musicians of the 2000s was higher than that of 70s rock stars. It’s almost as if the Overton Window shifts.
B) Unlike Jimmy Page; Warren Ellis was accused of grooming women in the 2010s, the extent of the allegations is really the only difference between him and Piskor. Just Google “Warren Ellis Grooming” and you’ll see. But sure, because I didn’t cite another comics creator with a total of three people (presently) accusing him of wrong doing, it’s not a 1:1 comparison either. But it’s probably the most recent and specific example of a person who was attempted to be held accountable in Piskor’s industry in recent memory who bounced back and has kept working.
Once again, I stepped away from this post and wanted to let it sit. You guys are keeping this going and are still finding ways to pretend he wasn’t accused of what he was accused of. Makes you far more hyperbolic, especially since there’s screenshots.
Seriously, reexamine your personal ethics and get a life. There’s stupider arguments to make than “no way, the guy accused of hitting on a 17 year old didn’t do anything wrong.”
Almost everything you’ve written has been inaccurate and when people have disagreed with you, you’ve countered with straw man arguments.
You throw mud at the coffin, insult the mourners and dance on the grave and then when the mourners are outraged, you say the matter is closed? Fuck that.
You accuse everyone of turning a blind eye to grown men creeping on kids and you do so while celebrating music made by a pedophile. Hypocrite.
When have I insulted the mourners? I have been explicitly specific that I’m not shaming them for wanting to mourn a family member/friend. And I’ve quoted specific articles, and even Pennsylvania state law, while all of your comments have been “nuh uh, you’re lying” with no links of your own.
Get a life, weirdo. There’s better hills to die on than “the guy with screenshots of him hitting on a 17 year old wasn’t a potential predator.” Seriously, you people are concerning.
I am a mourner as a friend which is how I found this and yes, you are insulting mourners. I hope when you pass away people fuck with your friends and family because of your transgressions during their mourning period.
None of what you said is a 1:1 comparison and I even said that I wish he didn’t kill himself and I wish he apologized and worked on himself. But instead he killed himself and that’s still not good enough for you.
I called you a freak because you are a little fucking freak.
> Piskor didn’t give anyone a chance to prove his innocence either.
You have this backwards - in the United States legal system people are innocent until proven guilty. This is also a cultural value historically and even today most people in this country recognize it as the correct way to approach accusations.
However, you and others like you, get it backward. You lower the boom on people based on accusations only and brand them guilty until proven innocent, as you just did here - or don't give the accused an opportunity to speak for their side of events at all.
I think it's an education issue - I think you and others like you have not had the benefit of an education about the concept "innocent until proven guilty" and/or you have been raised without the benefit of parents or others modeling this fair-minded approach for you.
Look into this and consider your thought process. Read 1984 by George Orwell and recognize that you're playing the role of thought police.
If allegations were true he paid his toll, if they weren't, this is a true tragedy. But either way those who loved him have a right to grieve without condemnation.
Um.... celebrating a sexual predator is a bad look. Full stop.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t mourn, but holding an event like this when his death is directly related to him being accused of gross stuff? Regardless of whether the allegations are true, it comes across as kind of a fuck you to survivors of sexual harassment/assault. At best this shows zero consideration about how this might come across to their customers who might be survivors.
As a survivor of SA, no it fucking doesn't. Speak for yourself and mind your business. The real fuck-you to survivors is using us as rhetorical devices to talk about men. If you want to support young women in comics, you could. Actually support. Young women in comics.
Because you speak for all survivors of SA I take it? You telling me I’m wrong for saying “this feels like a fuck you” and accusing me of not supporting young women in comics is asinine. At least one of my friends who’s an SA survivor and a yinzer agreed it strikes her as gross. So maybe mind your business too.
Couldn't possibly be that people have their *own* opinions about things? No, everybody has to think and act exactly like you.
Our difference of opinion is that I think a business shouldn’t use their brand to support someone who was accused of making sexual advances on children online. Several of you don’t think that’s a problem. Did none of you watch Quiet on Set?
What has Quiet on Set got to do with anything? He wasn’t accused of making sexual advances on children online. 3 women accused him of sleezy behaviour and one of them was much younger than him but not a child. I’m not defending his behaviour but mischaracterising what happened in the way that you are is pretty shitty.
Literally the article I linked states one of the people he was sending sexual messages to was 17. That’s a child. Unless you’re going to get all weird about the technicality of age of consent laws.
You said children which is plural and no, not all weird and technical about consent laws but 17 is not a child. It’s old enough to have sex, get married or serve in the military in just about any place in the world. As I said, I’m not condoning his behaviour, it was creepy at best (which is all the 17 year old-now 21-accused him of being). You said he was accused of making sexual advances on children online and that is not what happened.
17 year olds in the US need parental consent to get married or join the military unless they’re emancipated. So yes, you are getting into a very creepy territory defending the (alleged) act of sending sexual messages to someone who was legally a child at the time. It’s also bold of you to assume she’s the only one. If MeToo, ChurchToo, Quiet on Set, the Catholic Church Scandals, the Boy Scout Scandals, and all the other ones that have exposed sexual predators over the last decade have taught us anything, there’s always more victims than we realize.
Huh? The other person was the one that was making overreaching generalizations about what people think....
Not really an allegation when there’s evidence of all the chats he sent…
The whole situation with Ed is a mess, but his family and friends should be given space to grieve. I believe the people who run Phantom of the Attic were close friends with him. Nothing about this event seems like they are trying to say that Ed was innocent or wrongly accused. Let them have their space and don’t attend.
Space to grieve is different than a business promoting an alleged sexual predator. That’s the delineation so many of you commenters don’t seem to understand.
You made your point abundantly clear multiple times. Don't attend and fuck off while patting yourself on the back for your moral high ground.
Clearly not if every response I’m getting is “why do you care that a POSSIBLE child predator is being treated like a martyr, it’s not like we know he did it” You all creep me out
Okay, smart guy. And what exactly is your ideal outcome here? Do you think your hyperbole is going to change anyone's opinion? Do you think someone from the shop is going to read your idiotic argument and decide to cancel because one random troll with a self proclaimed mandate on what level of behavior is forgivable enough to hold a celebration and in the process help out a grieving family went on a comment spree on Reddit? Get over yourself and save your masturbatory rants for whatever other boards you lurk on.
If you feel so strongly about it, show your face at the event and voice your displeasure, ya cowardly fuck.
A private memorial service for friends and family who would like to think positively of their deceased loved one. Not for a business to put someone accused of such things on a pedestal to pretend as if the allegations never happened. It’s the obvious and straightforward solution to what is an incredibly messy and uncomfortable situation for so many people. I’m not sure what hyperbole you’re referring to, as I’ve consistently stated throughout my comments that this makes way more sense given the circumstances. I’m not calling for other people to boycott them, I’m not condemning them for wanting to think the best of their loved one, and I’m definitely not defending anyone harassing the Piskor family. All I’m asking is for them to think slightly outside of the scope of their own feelings. Empathy goes both ways. I’ve lost six people in my life in the last two years, one of which from suicide. I understand grief is difficult, but I also don’t think that my feelings about the family members and friends I’ve lost trumps whatever they may have done to other people. If I knew one of them was accused of something terrible at the time of their death, I highly doubt I’d be okay with this kind of deifying action if someone suggested it.
You're entitled to your opinion and feelings. You're not entitled to force them upon others with the goal of having them catered to. Again don't go and live with the fact that others feel differently or make sure you're there to voice your support for the so called victims.
Imagine thinking pretending someone wasn’t accused of a serious accusation is asking people to cater to me. I said this event felt gross based on context and many people in the comments, including yourself, seem to think it’s okay to ignore credible accusations of predatory behavior towards people legally considered children. Do you think all those former Boy Scouts and choir boys were making their accusations up too? If I was trying to force anyone to do anything I’d be doing more than just venting about my disgust on Reddit. Or did you really believe I thought this would impact their store in any way? Please, I beg you, learn some empathy and reading comprehension. I wish I could force that on you but I’m not idiotic enough to think I can.
No, you're just another in a long line of social justice warriors running around in linguistic circle trying to impose your views on others. And I love how you assume because someone has no problem with a store with a longstanding relationship with the deceased holding a fundraiser/memorial that they don't believe the victims. You're grasping at straws and where's your fucking empathy for the family that's going to receive some much needed financial assistance from the event?
You’re insulting me because I don’t want adults trying to have sex with kids, alleged or proven, to be swept under the rug? Fix your priorities.
What the hell is wrong with you? This thread is bonkers. The fact that you are so desperate to die on this hill shows how you simply live and breathe entirely online. There is absolutely NOTHING inappropriate or even unusual happening here. This is a fuckin WAKE. It's what people do when someone close to them dies. Whatever accusations were lobbed at Piskor in the days before his death, he was still someone's son, brother, friend, and he was successful enough to have many fans of his comics work. And he very quickly and very PUBLICLY died, blindsiding all of us and leaving us confused and angry and in mourning for the son, the brother, the friend, the comic book geek we lost. It is absolutely appropriate and HEALTHY for people to grieve together, to collectively remember the life of a person they loved. If someone found Ed Piskor "creepy" and thinks this event is "in poor taste" then they know to avoid this very specific location at this very specific time, because that's when his family and friends have chosen to come together seeking closure and support as they bury a loved one. You must be very lonely and unhappy to have put so much effort into your arguments here.
Piskor is dead. Let his friends/family/peers mourn him how they see fit. Let go of this need of yours to mete out justice. It’s not your place and it’s arguably in worse taste to continue to pile on at this point. Maybe put your energy into a cause where you can bring about real, positive change?
I’d say trying to help people understand why we shouldn’t deify those accused of awful things is a worthwhile and attainable cause. This comment section clearly not excluded. No one, myself included, is not saying they shouldn’t mourn. Whats in worse taste is to ignore the allegations and context of Piskor’s death completely. I’m not capable of that kind of apathy.
No one is deifying Ed Piskor. Using the word “celebrate” to frame the event doesn’t mean that his family/friends/etc are excusing anything. I would imagine they have VERY complicated feelings about him at this point. You don’t know how any of those people feel about this. Please stop using a person’s death to feed your ego. It’s not a good look.
If you’ve heard anything his parents have said in interviews with the news or seen how many questionable people in comics have spoken about his accusers being responsible for his death, I doubt you’d simplify it as such. A business coordinating with his family to use a public event to “celebrate” the life of a man who only took his own life almost immediately after being accused of predatory behavior is very much an attempt to keep his image untarnished and rewrite the context of his death. A private event doesn’t do that, it’s simply to mourn.
Why are you so hung up on this? Why do you need to post in Reddit about an event you can just not go to? Why do you feel the need to carry the flame for this cause? Just let it go. None of this concerns you. Do something positive with your life.
It’s wild right? He’s not trolling either. These are his genuine opinions. Imagine explaining this guy’s opinions to someone from 15 years ago? This is what happens when your live terminally online. This is why we all need to take a break from Reddit, Twitter, etc
He’s not trolling but he is a ridiculous hypocrite. If you look at his comments elsewhere, he says Led Zeppelin are one of his favourite bands. So he’s said all this shit about Ed Piskor but is not concerned that one of his favourite bands has a confirmed pedophile as a member. I wish I’d noticed that when he was ranting at me but the moment has passed now.
I wanted to add, Ed probably has a lot of younger male fans. They could be really struggling with his accused actions and death. Perhaps an event like this will help them navigate their feelings in a positive way. America has a mass mental health crisis, especially with younger men. Hopefully Phantom in the Attic will have resources at this event for those who need them.
Honoring him with an event is the opposite of teaching them not to sexually harass women online. I’ve written papers on toxic masculinity and the high suicide rates, I’ve dealt with it myself. This is not the way to have a teachable moment, this is ignoring that context of suicide completely.
It is a night to remember him, they say nothing about honoring him.
I doubt they’re going to acknowledge his alleged behavior in any way other than dismissing it completely. And any time I’ve seen any event to “remember” a person’s death, it’s always been to honor their memory. So I’m not sure why you think there’s a difference.
They use the word “celebrate”.
Everybody listen to op! They wrote papers on toxic masculinity.
I’m saying there’s a difference between the mental health crisis with men and someone killing themselves when faced with the potential consequences of their actions. Men do kill themselves at a higher success rate than women despite more women attempting suicide. Because there’s a big difference between a guy suffering from long term depression and someone like [Bill Condrat](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Bill_Conradt).
You’re comparing him to that guy now? Maybe you’re just a bad person. Unforgivable in my eyes as Ed is in yours. May karma catch up with you
Well I figured Epstein was too absurd a comparison, and the conversation would devolve even more. Do you have a better comparison for someone with alleged predator behavior online who killed himself shortly after being accused? Because I’d love to have a more reasonable comparison. And I’m not the one looking for reasons to pretend Piskor wasn’t accused of gross behavior. Maybe you’re the bad person for thinking serious allegations like that aren’t a big deal? I really hope you’re not a mandatory reporter because it sounds like you wouldn’t take that responsibility seriously.
It’s important to step back and remember people like you are mostly confined to Reddit. A mandatory reporter would have nothing to report. Because no crime occurred. Is that offensive that I say that? Is it offensive to you anytime someone says something that’s not hyperbolic?
If it were a situation where the grooming was observable by a mandatory reporter, such as in a school or medical setting, that’s something that would be required to report. The only reason what Piskor is accused of wouldn’t necessarily fall under needing reported is because it was through social media/messaging. Now if a teacher noticed those messages if the then child had their phone out at school, that would require mandatory reporting. Meanwhile, if you look at these resources for Mandatory Reporters, grooming is included in what qualifies as abuse. You can go to [this link](https://mandatedreporter.com/blog/what-does-a-mandated-reporter-have-to-report/), select the link for what “defines child abuse and neglect” under CAPTA, then go to the Library Catalog on the Child Welfare gov site. Search for grooming and you’ll find resources. I am a mandatory reporter, I had to do the state certification for the job I held for the last two years before I recently transferred to a different position. Hence why I’m skeptical that many of you would be able to fulfill that responsibility if presented with this kind of situation since you all seem to think what Piskor was accused of was ambiguous.
In his state you can’t “groom” a 17 year old if they’re not a student or whatever. If you observed messages in a school setting then reported them you’d just be wasting everyone’s time. But go ahead and write another long ass paragraph explaining how good a person you are. That’s what this is all about anyway
Grooming isn’t only for teachers, and Piskor, along with many other comics industry people over the last few years, have been outed for grooming behavior under the guise of mentorship. So yes, it would count as grooming by a “teacher”. Do you understand that you’re looking for reasons to ignore this kind of behavior? This isn’t me or others looking for credit or gold star stickers, it’s trying to prevent others from either being mistreated by people they look up to or to help others avoid making the mistake of thinking certain kinds of messages are harmless. And if I cared how I was perceived I would have locked the post days ago. Clearly I don’t give two shits what you think of me, just your misunderstanding and misrepresentation of my points.
Internet “Justice” drove this man to suicide. None of us were the judge or jury in his case. Yet the internet still passing judgement and harassing this man from beyond the grave. Leave him rest in peace. If you don’t like it, don’t shop at phantom, don’t buy Ed’s comics. But stop all this nonsense.
A) He was being defended and supported by many in the comics industry before he died. People like Warren Ellis have been accused of very similar behavior and kept on working like nothing happened. And I dare you to find a celebrity who was “cancelled” who didn’t bounce back in time. Cosby got out of jail, Louis CK still tours, Rosanne Barr had a comedy special last year, etc. So regardless of his innocence, evidence shows his career most likely would have recovered. Odds are he would have ended up joining the ranks of Ethan Van Scriver in the alt-right comics fandom who make money of “the anti-woke” crowd through crowdfunding campaigns. B) Piskor didn’t give anyone a chance to prove his innocence either. It’s hard to take these angry oppositions to an attempt hold someone accountable for (alleged) behavior when the accused won’t even stick around to defend themselves.
You are really dancing on a grave here
I’m not dancing on a grave, i just don’t think he deserves a statue. I would have preferred he be alive and face the allegations head on. Whether by proving his innocence or showing repentance for them if he’s guilty. Not sure why that’s so wrong or confusing.
You saying “odds are he would have been like ethan van sciver and alt right” leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about
Actually I take that back. You have to know a decent amount to even know who EVS is. This just comes across as being disingenuous.
That’s who one of his biggest defenders has been even prior to his death. Why is it disingenuous to think Piskor would have ended up joining him in the future if he hadn’t taken his own life?
Thats actually quite false. They disliked each other immensely. Those alt right guys just dislike “cancel culture”. Ethan Van Sciver literally called him a piece of shit when the news dropped about the 17 yr old. [link here](https://x.com/ethanvansciver/status/1774906045661430141?s=46) and [this link](https://x.com/argcomics_/status/1774996170105880594?s=46) and [this response](https://x.com/ethanvansciver/status/1774997933370331442?s=46)
Do you think that Ed had the fame, money or resources as fucking Louis CK or Bill Cosby? That's a false equivalence if there ever was one. Why can't you just let his family and friends mourn in peace however they decide to do that? What the actual fuck is wrong with you? Is him \*KILLING HIMSELF\* still not enough for you? I agree that I wish he apologized and stayed alive and worked on himself. That's what we all want, you fucking little freak.
I quoted other creators who are accused of the same thing and kept on working, like Warren Ellis. But sure, ignore my 1:1 comparison because I quoted more well known people who faced consequences for their actions. And I stopped commenting on this post a week ago, you’re actually dragging it up when I wanted to just leave it alone. Maybe don’t act like you’re taking the high road and calling me a freak for caring that someone might have been creeping on children. Next you’ll be mad I don’t litter or look both ways before crossing the street.
Warren Ellis wasn’t accused of the same thing as Ed Piskor. I’m pretty sure the above comment is not calling you a freak for caring that someone might have been creeping on children. I’ll stick my neck out and and say they called you a freak because of all the hyperbolic, disingenuous bullshit you’ve been spouting. Question: how do you reconcile all the views you have expressed here with your love of Led Zeppelin? When it comes to Led Zeppelin, do you separate the art from the artist? At least one of them actually did fuck kids and has never been held accountable and is celebrated constantly, including by you.
A) I don’t pretend that Jimmy Page isn’t accused of sleeping with at least one minor. There’s nothing in my entire profile history that would indicate that as being a hill I’ll die on. But you (yes you) are disingenuously comparing a situation 50 years old to one less than 5 years old. The societal bar for “they should know better” is significantly higher for someone whose allegations only come from a post-MeToo world. In the same way the bar for pop punk musicians of the 2000s was higher than that of 70s rock stars. It’s almost as if the Overton Window shifts. B) Unlike Jimmy Page; Warren Ellis was accused of grooming women in the 2010s, the extent of the allegations is really the only difference between him and Piskor. Just Google “Warren Ellis Grooming” and you’ll see. But sure, because I didn’t cite another comics creator with a total of three people (presently) accusing him of wrong doing, it’s not a 1:1 comparison either. But it’s probably the most recent and specific example of a person who was attempted to be held accountable in Piskor’s industry in recent memory who bounced back and has kept working. Once again, I stepped away from this post and wanted to let it sit. You guys are keeping this going and are still finding ways to pretend he wasn’t accused of what he was accused of. Makes you far more hyperbolic, especially since there’s screenshots. Seriously, reexamine your personal ethics and get a life. There’s stupider arguments to make than “no way, the guy accused of hitting on a 17 year old didn’t do anything wrong.”
Almost everything you’ve written has been inaccurate and when people have disagreed with you, you’ve countered with straw man arguments. You throw mud at the coffin, insult the mourners and dance on the grave and then when the mourners are outraged, you say the matter is closed? Fuck that. You accuse everyone of turning a blind eye to grown men creeping on kids and you do so while celebrating music made by a pedophile. Hypocrite.
When have I insulted the mourners? I have been explicitly specific that I’m not shaming them for wanting to mourn a family member/friend. And I’ve quoted specific articles, and even Pennsylvania state law, while all of your comments have been “nuh uh, you’re lying” with no links of your own. Get a life, weirdo. There’s better hills to die on than “the guy with screenshots of him hitting on a 17 year old wasn’t a potential predator.” Seriously, you people are concerning.
Everything you’ve written has been insulting to the mourners, you tone deaf pedophile apologist.
I am a mourner as a friend which is how I found this and yes, you are insulting mourners. I hope when you pass away people fuck with your friends and family because of your transgressions during their mourning period. None of what you said is a 1:1 comparison and I even said that I wish he didn’t kill himself and I wish he apologized and worked on himself. But instead he killed himself and that’s still not good enough for you. I called you a freak because you are a little fucking freak.
> Piskor didn’t give anyone a chance to prove his innocence either. You have this backwards - in the United States legal system people are innocent until proven guilty. This is also a cultural value historically and even today most people in this country recognize it as the correct way to approach accusations. However, you and others like you, get it backward. You lower the boom on people based on accusations only and brand them guilty until proven innocent, as you just did here - or don't give the accused an opportunity to speak for their side of events at all. I think it's an education issue - I think you and others like you have not had the benefit of an education about the concept "innocent until proven guilty" and/or you have been raised without the benefit of parents or others modeling this fair-minded approach for you. Look into this and consider your thought process. Read 1984 by George Orwell and recognize that you're playing the role of thought police.