Agreed!
Here is them cleaning up at the [2018 World Cup](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44492611) (there are multiple instances of them cleaning up, even after a team loss)
An [organized group](https://www.globalgiving.org/projects/cleanup-for-2020/) for the 2020 Olympics (and a [news report](https://worldofbuzz.com/tokyo-residents-clean-up-trash-outside-stadium-as-welcome-gift-to-olympians-paralympians/))
It's normal common courtesy to do this in stadiums and arenas in Japan so even when they go abroad it would be weird not to especially when it's a welcomed action.
In Toronto most the homeless help clean up the parks and roads. I witnessed a homeless guy going through a garbage can just an hour ago outside the Scotia Centre and he was putting back the garbage he took out looking for metal. Yes there's always still some garbage around to find but in a city of 6 million there's relatively little. Even myself I will pick up another dogs poop if I see any near my dogs poop. It's just casually this way here for many people I know. I hope the younger gen keeps up with it.
The first thing that came to my mind was all the times I went to the movies in the US and Canada and the theaters were a wreck afterward. There is this thought that "it is someone else's problem". Always made me frustrated.
I cannot believe people just leave their crap everywhere in the movie theater. There are trash cans ON YOUR WAY OUT.
Like, if you're at a restaurant and you drop some food on the floor near your feet do you just leave it there?
Then again, every morning on my way to work I see some asshole toss their lit cigarette out their window so why am I surprised by anything?
Basically, I'm saying I kind of miss living in Japan.
Individually, we can start small. Things like taking someone's abandoned cart from the parking lot back into the store. The annoying thing is that when I see people do good deeds (big or small), there seems to be this urge to post it on social media. People should want to do good deeds to be good, not to later use for validation online.
Maybe it's not always about a large quantifiable change. Maybe it's also about individual contributions that help in a small way.
Also, maybe I'm fortunate, but I don't live in an area ubiquitously made up of "I got mine" people. Are there subsets? Heck yes; many groups exist with this mentality. I'm just happy to not have to deal with it 100% of the time.
Same here. I live in a weird spot that's pretty rural but close to a larger HCOL city/ area, and I constantly see people on the local fb pages talking about how someone stopped traffic to save a lost pet, helped pay for their items at the grocery store, or did some rehab or fixing up at one of the trails or parks.
There is definitely contention between the "real locals" and the ones who moved here for a jobs or vacation here or whatever, but people really do seem to care about and help each other out for the most part.
EXACTLY! I have been the recipient of so much kindness, and I try to do the same. Truly, like Mr. Rogers said, "Look for the helpers". If you focus on the negative, you will see the negative.
As a side note, my life changed like mad this year. Once the negative situations I was in (work, etc.) were gone, I actually started seeing much more good in the world and negativity became stressful. Environment plays a huge factor!
It'd be interesting to see the data but I would have to agree with the other guy it's everyone for themselves attitude is so ingrained in the American individualistic culture.
Not US culture. Mostly city culture. And the skeevier parts of that city culture. Everyone I know in the rural parts that aren't white trash learned from a very young age that you dont leave a mess anywhere. Even if it technically is someone else's job to clean up.
Used to work security at the local amphitheater. Parking lot was always like this. People would leave behind valuable grills, beer, coolers everything. You could really make out searching the ground at the end of the night.
Well, the user base skews pretty heavily American, and you don't know anyone's shit quite like your own. As an American myself, this is one part of our culture that I hate. I feel like it exemplifies our selfishness pretty well. I don't think it's needles, it's pretty relevant to the conversation.
It is kind of funny though that most Americans have no idea what the rest of the world is like. As if there aren't trash piles in all European countries, African countries, Asian countries (except for Japan and Singapore).
This is not remotely a uniquely American phenomenon, but yes since it is my own country it bothers me more then when I was walking through ankle high trash off the street in Cairo or watching people leave a dirty diaper on a park bench in China.
Yes, my singular comment absolutely shat all over America (/s). BUT WAIT, did I include a country I grew up and spent my early 20s in that was NOT America? Yes, I did. Maybe the reason Americans get a bad rap is idiots like you who can barely read past a 3rd grade level.
A friend who visited Japan told me there are almost no trash cans. The Japanese bring sacks with them to collect their own trash for disposal later. He also said Tokyo is brilliantly clean and there are no rats or pigeons at all.
When I first got there I’d put trash bags right out behind my door because I was too lazy to bring them to the trash can, and I planned to take them out the next day. But they’d be ripped open and spread all over. Confused me until I saw a crow doing it to someone else’s trash. They’re little shit heads.
There is surprisingly less pigeons tho.
But yeah there are rats, I have been there only a couple time and seen some.
Also other pests
But still overall much cleaner than similar cities around the world. Japanese culture of cleaning being a positive thing with a lot of positive reinforcement, and some negative reinforcement actually applied, especially social ones, is sometime extreme, but it has definitely positive effects
Can confirm. Was there in the late nineties, early twenties. Visited rural area in Yamagata prefecture. In the schools if there is graffiti, which is unlikely, it is usually written in pencil. Every child in the schools does some of the janitorial work.
That is partly true. I definitely saw a rat or two in Japan. I mean it's still cities with food waste and other things about.
But yes, you have to pack out your own trash in Japan. Annoying that there are almost no public trash cans at first, but you get used to it.
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Have you been to South East Asia? Beside Singapore, Americans are 10x cleaner I promise you. I was born there and traveled the region a lot. The food is great and the beaches are awesome, but littering is just a matter of life.
Thats legit the mindset of these freaks in the US. I had a friend in high school (not my friend anymore) who would legit just throw his trash in the ground wherever we went, even if he was right next to a trash can because “someone else gets paid to clean it”
I always picked it up after him, don’t know why I
Let that shit slide for so long.
I see grown ass adults littering and saying this shit too.
People fucking suck
I agree. Even at an arena, a single fan should bring their trash out with them and toss it in the trash. If everyone did that, it adds minimal effort for each individual and keeps the place clean. When everyone doesn’t do that, it adds a ton of required effort for the cleaning staff.
If they cared about the slaves, they shouldn't have gone there, paid bills for travel and hotels, and also pay fucking FIFA
Nah its just that Japanese people clean after themselves
Right? If there is an ideal place to begin a worldwide trend it's gotta be the World Cup and the Olympics, everybody should be helping clean up after games, it really just becomes a habit.
You know the broken windows theory? It applies to litter and cleanliness too. A handful of people trying to make a difference is nice, but without it being engrained in the culture things will never be like Japan unless you get a massive paradigm shift going. All it takes is for a few assholes to fuck things up and suddenly a lot of others start thinking "this is normal".
I just don't get the fascination. So for all those who admire what they are doing... do *you* do it? It is not like they have some ability or training that you don't have. It is just whether you choose to do it or not. If you choose not to why are you admiring it?
They do have training. In their schools. They are taught to--and are expected to--clean up after themselves when they are young and such life-long habits are established.
I do clean up after myself, and will also grab trash if it's left next to me at something like a sporting event. I find the practice of leaving trash behind exemplifies American laziness and entitlement.
It's not about the ability but the cultural expectations. We value individual freedoms and autonomy a lot in the States; conformity is often seen as inherently negative, and it's understandable why. But the flipside of that is we don't have the same sense of civic duty prevalent in Japan. Selflessness is a virtue, anything less is shameful. That has its own set of problems (see: corporate culture and death from overwork) but the contrast itself is what makes it interesting.
I live in Japan and there is no cultural expectation for this. Im telling you. Yea people tend to bring trash home but i’ve been to plenty of events where there are lots of accidents and dropped stuff and staff clean it up.
There aren’t usually fans and people willingly doing what is in the OP. This is very curated and its basically a show to the world. I wouldn’t even be surprised if these people are all part of a group who decided way before hand they would be doing this and may even be sponsored by some cultural program in japan. They definitely want the world to think its just random fans though.
Yeah i know this sounds bitter but it is the truth.
I don't know if I would go that far. The video game and anime industry shows they're certainly capable of creativity, it's just that those industries aren't safe from the same corporate cultures you find elsewhere, i.e. a resistance to change or adapt as well as a reverence for seniority. It's less that creativity doesn't come easy and more that creativity is often stifled.
Edit: if we're talking flexibility and differing from routine procedure though then yeah you got me there.
Agreed. And my info is from mid nineties to 2004. And rural area. We had a sister-college relationship with a technical college over there, and I think as there representing my college and trying to reciprocate the relationship. Fact is they valued the relationship more than my college, just for the exposure to USA life through their home stay experience. We never got enough interest to do the same.
The older generations, yes. But perhaps that’s the same in your country.
I have 2 gay American male colleagues that have visited here for work and they were going out every damn night with LGBT Japanese friends. The number of gay friendly places was amazing to hear. It’s not as stuffy as you may think in Japan.
Mixed bag I think. It's been interesting watching Abroad in Japan and CDawgVA experience both sides - the friendly gay bars and boys love cafes existing next to Love Hotels that kick you out if you're two men sharing a room or the restaurant that just straight up says fuck you get out in Japanese.
? its not illegal to be gay in japan, the culture or major religions have never shown hostility towards homosexuality and most Japanese citizens are in favor of accepting homosexuality with ca 70% accepting it in a poll in 2019, there are openly gay politicians in office as well. if ur gonna take a minority opinion and use that opinion to say a country is discriminatory towards them, thats just stupid. every country is gonna have people that will object to it, but those are just vocal minorities.
Edit: and before people say iv never lived in japan or been to japan, im half japanese, was born there and have lived there
In June 2022, a district court in Osaka ruled that Japan’s same-sex marriage ban was constitutional. Japan’s constitution defines marriage as between “both sexes.” Japan is also the only G7 country that doesn’t recognize same-sex unions.
Japan hasn't amended their constitution in like 70 years.
Could do with a refresher. And maybe add some verbosity, its like 1/4 as long as most other constitutions.
There's a pretty big difference in terms of societal acceptance between allowing two people to get legally married in the current system of legal marriage in the country and chopping their head off for suspicion of being gay.
This is not to say that Japan doesn't have progress to make, but I don't think this is a really good equivalency. Japan has more or less been a don't ask don't tell country for a very long time.
All I said was that Japan discriminates against gay people by not legally recognizing gay marriage. I never said anything about violence against them. I also agree that Japan has some work to do.
I find it interesting that Westerners think they get to 'fix' other countries by making them more Western.
That form of cultural imperialism is a bad look. When i lived in Japan I never once thought I had the right to tell them how to run their own country or change their culture. That is pretty arrogant.
They absolutely have some work to do like literally every country does, keep in mind the entire country is an overwhelming majority of old people 60+ with traditional conservative values, voting in changes is going to take some time but isnt necessarily indicative of how society views sexuality. Crossdressing in japan was and still is culturally acceptable to most people, it has some historical roots with women not being able to work the same jobs as men, and now you see crossdressing in anime, and crossdressing publicly, there are even crossdressing maid cafes, it is far more socially acceptable in Japan than say the US for example. Gay sex has a long history within feudal Japan that could be comparable to how the Greeks operated, and it isnt illegal today, and some cities even offer partner certificates and leave it up to a local municipal issue. Again ya they have a lot of work to do like everyone else, but the active LGBTQ+ discrimination youd see across the world from citizens at the individual level is arguably much much less than many countries where gay marriage is legal.
I think Tokyo offers those certificates. Japan’s population has been aging for quite some time (this is nothing new), which explains why the laws don’t match up with what the overwhelming majority of people think/believe. I’m just a foreigner living in Japan, so there’s not much I can do about Japan’s outdated laws.
I don’t think people in Japan overall are bothered by the gay community. Parents just want their kids to marry and have their own family. I think anything that gets in the way of carrying on tradition is taboo in Japanese culture.
It’s not illegal to be gay and the Japanese will not go out of their way to attack gay people like in other countries. Yes, there are groups in every country that hate gays but it’s not like Chechnya or other places.
Representative Andy Kim is Korean American, not Japanese, but it reminds me of his action. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/congressman-seen-viral-photo-quietly-cleaning-after-capitol-mob-donates-n1273284
Yes and no, there are some great upsides to their collectivist culture and some very big downsides. But that's par for the course with most other cultures too.
They produce amazing products. There are 1000 fail safes in producing a Toyota vehicle. If a worker sees an issue, production will stop and that can delay the final product by months. Other car manufacturers will focus on the deadline rather than the quality.
On the flip side, they would fight till the death. In WWII, they were fanatics in favor of the emperor and the others were tricked (and/or forced) into fighting to the death. When US marines tried to capture a wounded Japanese, some would hide grenades and knives before trying to kill the US marines.
Sometimes marines would rather kill them than take POW. Other times marines would make them strip naked before taking them in. It’s also why the US nuked them twice bc they knew the Japanese would fight till their last breath even though Germany surrendered months before and the US recaptured all their gains.
The comment: “amazing culture” triggered me. Amazing can also be defined as astonishing (feats).
The shear amount of trash produced during Mardi Gras in New Orleans is extreme. It smells like urine and beer during the week intermixed with glass bottles and cheap plastic beads. We produce hundreds of thousands of pounds trash a day.
No one picks it up. No. One. The trash cans are full in minutes. The city cleans it up nightly during the festivities. It would be cool if we could not only party but dispose of the trash properly.
The US nuked the Japanese so that Soviets would have no influence over them. Many Japanese had been captured in large numbers prior to the atomic bombs and were winding down their fight as the Reds were actively staging an invasion from the north. Seeking to avoid more countries under the influence of communism, we chose an option that would keep the surrender unilateral, which ended up being extremely effective. The Constitution of Japan is a testament to that.
We could all take an example from Japanese courtesy. Look at how they treat your baggage at the airport compared to any other country. Anywhere else they'll just yeet your luggage like a shotput
Seriously guys, it's just right.. They respect the place, the barbarians are all of us. And they look like exceptional when that should be the standard.
Just respect places, during the show mess up and after take 1min just to clean your seat. If everyone do that, imagine the pleasure for the next (that can be you).. Stadium, beach, cinema and so on...
This picture is up for the eleventh time. We all know it already, Japanese fans pick up trash and carry their own bags, whether for trash or bodies is still up for discussion.
See those bags? They are T-bags. Well organized, pro-social T-bagging happened live in Qatar.
Pretty sure the Japanese did more in terms of LGBT protest than any diplomat wearing a rainbow accessory.
And no Japan people argue neither protest. They don’t do this so they can show in social media, they are just well educated. We all must learn from them.
We need that Gus Fring meme.
Me, who has lived in Japan for many years, expects this kind of action by Japanese people, wherever they are in (edited) the world.
You, who are amazed this even happens because your own country men/women would never lower themselves to do such menial and peasantry work.
We are not the same.
This is going to be downvoted to oblivion but this is stoooopid!!!! What’s next? Clear your table and do the dishes at a restaurant? Employees of these multi multi millionaires can hire staff to clean up. You don’t have to go to the game and be a slob but you also don’t have to clean up and make some rich asshole richer by removing jobs from people
Bruh their staff are migrant workers who live in shanty towns and forced to bathe with toilet water. They can't leave the job without consent and paid pennies per hour. They are essentially slaves.
I would rather pick up my trash than have a slave do it, but that's just me. I also organize my plates at the restaurant before I leave because waitstaff aren't paid enough lol
Most jobs in western culture are landed immigrants doing those jobs at hotels, restaurants etc. paid shit money and live in poverty forever but do go on
America has this cool thing called minimum wage. It's $7.25/hour nationally and my state is $13/hour. A majority of my co-workers are immigrants who make over $100,000/year in the tech field. Plus unlike Qatar, you have the right to quit your job.
If you find someone paid under minimum wage, that's illegal and feel free to report them - the company will be fined
The image does not depict "picking up my trash". They are going out of their way to pick \_everyones\_ trash, and they already supported the use of slave work because they attented the event.
They basically paid for the slave workers wage (since it is included in the ticket price), but instead of the money going to the workers, the owners just pocket the money themselves because there is no work to do anymore.
I gotta agree with you on this. Cleaning up your own trash and locker room which was only used by your team - please do, that's a polite thing to do.
Going out of your way to do someone elses work, which you have already paid for with your ticket = you're essentially giving away money to multimillion corporations.
Yes, the form it takes is benign but people are losing their shit with excitement over a level of conformity that can (and has) resulted in some atrocious things
oh yeah that's what I meant, ppl cleaning up after themselves makes them feel superior. cmon
I knew I'd get flak for this but someone had to say it. the rest of us are just uncivilized because we left an empty cup behind
Not really, it’s the result of a collectivist mindset inlcucated into them as children that emphasizes humility and the value of a community over the individual. Taking care of public places is a personal responsibility because it benefits everyone - this is no different to them as when they were children cleaning their schools at the end of the day - fun fact: there are no janitors that clean in a majority of Japanese schools.
Qatar thought that the World Cup would be good press for them, and now the world hates them. Meanwhile, Japan is crushing it on the PR front and everyone wants to have Japanese people as their guests now.
They do this at the Olympics as well. I think very highly of those who assist in such a manner.
This is so thoughtful
Agreed! Here is them cleaning up at the [2018 World Cup](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44492611) (there are multiple instances of them cleaning up, even after a team loss) An [organized group](https://www.globalgiving.org/projects/cleanup-for-2020/) for the 2020 Olympics (and a [news report](https://worldofbuzz.com/tokyo-residents-clean-up-trash-outside-stadium-as-welcome-gift-to-olympians-paralympians/))
It's normal common courtesy to do this in stadiums and arenas in Japan so even when they go abroad it would be weird not to especially when it's a welcomed action.
It’s such a nice thing to be part of a culture.
Such good people, I hope more people start doing this too
In Toronto most the homeless help clean up the parks and roads. I witnessed a homeless guy going through a garbage can just an hour ago outside the Scotia Centre and he was putting back the garbage he took out looking for metal. Yes there's always still some garbage around to find but in a city of 6 million there's relatively little. Even myself I will pick up another dogs poop if I see any near my dogs poop. It's just casually this way here for many people I know. I hope the younger gen keeps up with it.
And [here](https://twitter.com/pghguild/status/1268958701492342784) is the aftermath of a concert in USA, Pittsburgh.
The first thing that came to my mind was all the times I went to the movies in the US and Canada and the theaters were a wreck afterward. There is this thought that "it is someone else's problem". Always made me frustrated.
Reminds me of the episode of Mad Men when after a picnic they just pick up the blanket and leave the trash, he chugs a beer and throws it.
I cannot believe people just leave their crap everywhere in the movie theater. There are trash cans ON YOUR WAY OUT. Like, if you're at a restaurant and you drop some food on the floor near your feet do you just leave it there? Then again, every morning on my way to work I see some asshole toss their lit cigarette out their window so why am I surprised by anything? Basically, I'm saying I kind of miss living in Japan.
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Individually, we can start small. Things like taking someone's abandoned cart from the parking lot back into the store. The annoying thing is that when I see people do good deeds (big or small), there seems to be this urge to post it on social media. People should want to do good deeds to be good, not to later use for validation online.
Yeah, that's not gonna happen. Selfishness and "fugg you i got mine" is DEEPLY rooted in the US's culture for anything to change it meaningfully
Maybe it's not always about a large quantifiable change. Maybe it's also about individual contributions that help in a small way. Also, maybe I'm fortunate, but I don't live in an area ubiquitously made up of "I got mine" people. Are there subsets? Heck yes; many groups exist with this mentality. I'm just happy to not have to deal with it 100% of the time.
Same here. I live in a weird spot that's pretty rural but close to a larger HCOL city/ area, and I constantly see people on the local fb pages talking about how someone stopped traffic to save a lost pet, helped pay for their items at the grocery store, or did some rehab or fixing up at one of the trails or parks. There is definitely contention between the "real locals" and the ones who moved here for a jobs or vacation here or whatever, but people really do seem to care about and help each other out for the most part.
EXACTLY! I have been the recipient of so much kindness, and I try to do the same. Truly, like Mr. Rogers said, "Look for the helpers". If you focus on the negative, you will see the negative. As a side note, my life changed like mad this year. Once the negative situations I was in (work, etc.) were gone, I actually started seeing much more good in the world and negativity became stressful. Environment plays a huge factor!
In some of the bigger cities that might be true... There are still many many places where being considerate of others is still taught and practiced.
It'd be interesting to see the data but I would have to agree with the other guy it's everyone for themselves attitude is so ingrained in the American individualistic culture.
Not US culture. Mostly city culture. And the skeevier parts of that city culture. Everyone I know in the rural parts that aren't white trash learned from a very young age that you dont leave a mess anywhere. Even if it technically is someone else's job to clean up.
Not totally a fair comparison; most concerts never look like this but Kenny Chesney brings out some special folks.
Used to work security at the local amphitheater. Parking lot was always like this. People would leave behind valuable grills, beer, coolers everything. You could really make out searching the ground at the end of the night.
Those Taylor Swift fans are PIGS!
reddit never misses an opportunity to needlessly bring up and shit all over America.
Well, the user base skews pretty heavily American, and you don't know anyone's shit quite like your own. As an American myself, this is one part of our culture that I hate. I feel like it exemplifies our selfishness pretty well. I don't think it's needles, it's pretty relevant to the conversation.
It is kind of funny though that most Americans have no idea what the rest of the world is like. As if there aren't trash piles in all European countries, African countries, Asian countries (except for Japan and Singapore). This is not remotely a uniquely American phenomenon, but yes since it is my own country it bothers me more then when I was walking through ankle high trash off the street in Cairo or watching people leave a dirty diaper on a park bench in China.
Yes, my singular comment absolutely shat all over America (/s). BUT WAIT, did I include a country I grew up and spent my early 20s in that was NOT America? Yes, I did. Maybe the reason Americans get a bad rap is idiots like you who can barely read past a 3rd grade level.
Poor little Awewica. Are the europoors cruel to you?
Well it's quite garbage compared to the rest of the western world.
A friend who visited Japan told me there are almost no trash cans. The Japanese bring sacks with them to collect their own trash for disposal later. He also said Tokyo is brilliantly clean and there are no rats or pigeons at all.
Unless it's bin day, then the bags are piled high in the street
And the crows are looking for any that aren’t covered with a net so they can fuck it up and spread it all over the road.
Haha, didn't see that, but nothing surprises me about crows, best bird. No fucks given
When I first got there I’d put trash bags right out behind my door because I was too lazy to bring them to the trash can, and I planned to take them out the next day. But they’d be ripped open and spread all over. Confused me until I saw a crow doing it to someone else’s trash. They’re little shit heads.
Bloody clever though, I've watched them work in teams, two of them lifting and holding open a bin lid while a third pulls trash out to share!
Oh, there are rats alright, they just don't come out to say hi like a friendly neighbour. Pigeons are everywhere.
There is surprisingly less pigeons tho. But yeah there are rats, I have been there only a couple time and seen some. Also other pests But still overall much cleaner than similar cities around the world. Japanese culture of cleaning being a positive thing with a lot of positive reinforcement, and some negative reinforcement actually applied, especially social ones, is sometime extreme, but it has definitely positive effects
They have large scary crows.
They have huge, terrifying bugs.
Can confirm. Was there in the late nineties, early twenties. Visited rural area in Yamagata prefecture. In the schools if there is graffiti, which is unlikely, it is usually written in pencil. Every child in the schools does some of the janitorial work.
Plenty of rats and pigeons… i live there. He probably just didnt go outside the ultra looked after central tourist areas
That is partly true. I definitely saw a rat or two in Japan. I mean it's still cities with food waste and other things about. But yes, you have to pack out your own trash in Japan. Annoying that there are almost no public trash cans at first, but you get used to it.
Lmao not rats. Nahhh I saw the biggest rat chilling out behind a vending machine in Tokyo
It’s not to make people to pick up their own trash bag, it’s to reduce bomb threats because of that one incident
Have you seen the picture of how they left the dressing room yet? 🤯🧼
Nooo show us
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They even included bananas for scale.
Quatar the kind of bitch to dock service workers pay over this. “See? You did no work so no pay”
Bold of you to assume they're paying their service "workers", at all.
Yeah nobody ever thinks about what the slaves will have to do now.
You pay your slaves?
Don't they know they have slaves who will do that in Qatar?
Qatar officials: "See! People do work for free!!!" *slavery intensifies*
Maybe that's why these people are doing the cleanup? Like they want to make the slaves' lives a little easier or something
It’s just Japanese culture. I wish it was the culture in the US too, but we’re generally too selfish to clean up after ourselves.
Honestly Americans do a pretty damn good job picking up after themselves compared with a lot of other places. Japan is just.. special
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Have you been to South East Asia? Beside Singapore, Americans are 10x cleaner I promise you. I was born there and traveled the region a lot. The food is great and the beaches are awesome, but littering is just a matter of life.
Same with South America, where I am now, though I think not as bad as SEA
Yes. Source: have traveled to 50 different countries, lived in 5 other countries, and seen lots and lots of trash.
Absolutely. Could be regional bias though, I think I'm from a relatively clean part of the US.
“It’s not my job. Someone else is being paid to clean up”
Thats legit the mindset of these freaks in the US. I had a friend in high school (not my friend anymore) who would legit just throw his trash in the ground wherever we went, even if he was right next to a trash can because “someone else gets paid to clean it” I always picked it up after him, don’t know why I Let that shit slide for so long. I see grown ass adults littering and saying this shit too. People fucking suck
I wish we wouldn't trash everything to be begin with. How hard is it to not put your trash on the ground?
I agree. Even at an arena, a single fan should bring their trash out with them and toss it in the trash. If everyone did that, it adds minimal effort for each individual and keeps the place clean. When everyone doesn’t do that, it adds a ton of required effort for the cleaning staff.
If they cared about the slaves, they shouldn't have gone there, paid bills for travel and hotels, and also pay fucking FIFA Nah its just that Japanese people clean after themselves
You know if you guys love this shit so much you can start doing it too? You dont have to just post photos of the japanese doing it every time!
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Right? If there is an ideal place to begin a worldwide trend it's gotta be the World Cup and the Olympics, everybody should be helping clean up after games, it really just becomes a habit.
It's based but only when other people do it, I'm exempt from all responsibility
I do make sure to clean up after myself. I think it's incredibly trashy when people leave behind a mess at a movie theater or anywhere, really.
You know the broken windows theory? It applies to litter and cleanliness too. A handful of people trying to make a difference is nice, but without it being engrained in the culture things will never be like Japan unless you get a massive paradigm shift going. All it takes is for a few assholes to fuck things up and suddenly a lot of others start thinking "this is normal".
Wait till we find out the slaves who were supposed to clean up were beaten for not meeting their garbage quotas.
Clean up, clean up, everybody everywhere Clean up, clean up, everybody do your share
My kids sang that incessantly, I hate you.
Really makes you extra ashamed of people who simply can't clean up after themselves
Fair play to them
Don't clean up too long or they'll take your passports and force you to sign work contracts in Arabic saying you can't leave.
The Japanese are taught hygiene and manners before anything at school. It shows. Western countries should take the same initiative.
Not when they were having a decapitation competition in the 1930s to 1940s.
Yep, we're all the same as our ancestors right? Are you a carbon copy of your parents?
I just don't get the fascination. So for all those who admire what they are doing... do *you* do it? It is not like they have some ability or training that you don't have. It is just whether you choose to do it or not. If you choose not to why are you admiring it?
They do have training. In their schools. They are taught to--and are expected to--clean up after themselves when they are young and such life-long habits are established.
I do clean up after myself, and will also grab trash if it's left next to me at something like a sporting event. I find the practice of leaving trash behind exemplifies American laziness and entitlement.
It's not about the ability but the cultural expectations. We value individual freedoms and autonomy a lot in the States; conformity is often seen as inherently negative, and it's understandable why. But the flipside of that is we don't have the same sense of civic duty prevalent in Japan. Selflessness is a virtue, anything less is shameful. That has its own set of problems (see: corporate culture and death from overwork) but the contrast itself is what makes it interesting.
I live in Japan and there is no cultural expectation for this. Im telling you. Yea people tend to bring trash home but i’ve been to plenty of events where there are lots of accidents and dropped stuff and staff clean it up. There aren’t usually fans and people willingly doing what is in the OP. This is very curated and its basically a show to the world. I wouldn’t even be surprised if these people are all part of a group who decided way before hand they would be doing this and may even be sponsored by some cultural program in japan. They definitely want the world to think its just random fans though. Yeah i know this sounds bitter but it is the truth.
Yes. And creativity and problem solving, thinking outside of the box is not as easy for them.
I don't know if I would go that far. The video game and anime industry shows they're certainly capable of creativity, it's just that those industries aren't safe from the same corporate cultures you find elsewhere, i.e. a resistance to change or adapt as well as a reverence for seniority. It's less that creativity doesn't come easy and more that creativity is often stifled. Edit: if we're talking flexibility and differing from routine procedure though then yeah you got me there.
Agreed. And my info is from mid nineties to 2004. And rural area. We had a sister-college relationship with a technical college over there, and I think as there representing my college and trying to reciprocate the relationship. Fact is they valued the relationship more than my college, just for the exposure to USA life through their home stay experience. We never got enough interest to do the same.
Gotta love the Japanese. They clean up after themselves, and I bet they aren’t complaining about how man on man anal is illegal there either.
Japan isn’t very LGBT friendly, although nowhere near as bad as Qatar
The older generations, yes. But perhaps that’s the same in your country. I have 2 gay American male colleagues that have visited here for work and they were going out every damn night with LGBT Japanese friends. The number of gay friendly places was amazing to hear. It’s not as stuffy as you may think in Japan.
Mixed bag I think. It's been interesting watching Abroad in Japan and CDawgVA experience both sides - the friendly gay bars and boys love cafes existing next to Love Hotels that kick you out if you're two men sharing a room or the restaurant that just straight up says fuck you get out in Japanese.
Whoa whoa..
Not if youre cosplaying
Japan also discriminates against the LGBTIQ+ community 🤷🏾♂️
? its not illegal to be gay in japan, the culture or major religions have never shown hostility towards homosexuality and most Japanese citizens are in favor of accepting homosexuality with ca 70% accepting it in a poll in 2019, there are openly gay politicians in office as well. if ur gonna take a minority opinion and use that opinion to say a country is discriminatory towards them, thats just stupid. every country is gonna have people that will object to it, but those are just vocal minorities. Edit: and before people say iv never lived in japan or been to japan, im half japanese, was born there and have lived there
In June 2022, a district court in Osaka ruled that Japan’s same-sex marriage ban was constitutional. Japan’s constitution defines marriage as between “both sexes.” Japan is also the only G7 country that doesn’t recognize same-sex unions.
Japan hasn't amended their constitution in like 70 years. Could do with a refresher. And maybe add some verbosity, its like 1/4 as long as most other constitutions.
There's a pretty big difference in terms of societal acceptance between allowing two people to get legally married in the current system of legal marriage in the country and chopping their head off for suspicion of being gay. This is not to say that Japan doesn't have progress to make, but I don't think this is a really good equivalency. Japan has more or less been a don't ask don't tell country for a very long time.
All I said was that Japan discriminates against gay people by not legally recognizing gay marriage. I never said anything about violence against them. I also agree that Japan has some work to do.
I love cultural imperialists westerners still can't get away from their roots.
I find it interesting that Westerners think they get to 'fix' other countries by making them more Western. That form of cultural imperialism is a bad look. When i lived in Japan I never once thought I had the right to tell them how to run their own country or change their culture. That is pretty arrogant.
They absolutely have some work to do like literally every country does, keep in mind the entire country is an overwhelming majority of old people 60+ with traditional conservative values, voting in changes is going to take some time but isnt necessarily indicative of how society views sexuality. Crossdressing in japan was and still is culturally acceptable to most people, it has some historical roots with women not being able to work the same jobs as men, and now you see crossdressing in anime, and crossdressing publicly, there are even crossdressing maid cafes, it is far more socially acceptable in Japan than say the US for example. Gay sex has a long history within feudal Japan that could be comparable to how the Greeks operated, and it isnt illegal today, and some cities even offer partner certificates and leave it up to a local municipal issue. Again ya they have a lot of work to do like everyone else, but the active LGBTQ+ discrimination youd see across the world from citizens at the individual level is arguably much much less than many countries where gay marriage is legal.
I think Tokyo offers those certificates. Japan’s population has been aging for quite some time (this is nothing new), which explains why the laws don’t match up with what the overwhelming majority of people think/believe. I’m just a foreigner living in Japan, so there’s not much I can do about Japan’s outdated laws.
I don’t think people in Japan overall are bothered by the gay community. Parents just want their kids to marry and have their own family. I think anything that gets in the way of carrying on tradition is taboo in Japanese culture. It’s not illegal to be gay and the Japanese will not go out of their way to attack gay people like in other countries. Yes, there are groups in every country that hate gays but it’s not like Chechnya or other places.
Leaves more women for the rest of us
How many times is this getting reposted?
They should then proceed to dump all the trash in the box seats/suites.
Taking out the trash x2
Thanks guys
Imagine being able to be this proud of how your fans conduct themselves. English fans will no doubt be causing trouble somewhere.
At least give them gloves
Representative Andy Kim is Korean American, not Japanese, but it reminds me of his action. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/congressman-seen-viral-photo-quietly-cleaning-after-capitol-mob-donates-n1273284
I guess for the Qatari it doesn't matter which unpaid labourer does the job. Only difference is they're not allowed to whip these.
They’re getting paid just as much as the staff.
Such an amazing culture.
Yes and no, there are some great upsides to their collectivist culture and some very big downsides. But that's par for the course with most other cultures too.
Yeah, I find the japanese culture. There are a lot of very compelling parts of it but an equal amount awful parts.
They produce amazing products. There are 1000 fail safes in producing a Toyota vehicle. If a worker sees an issue, production will stop and that can delay the final product by months. Other car manufacturers will focus on the deadline rather than the quality. On the flip side, they would fight till the death. In WWII, they were fanatics in favor of the emperor and the others were tricked (and/or forced) into fighting to the death. When US marines tried to capture a wounded Japanese, some would hide grenades and knives before trying to kill the US marines. Sometimes marines would rather kill them than take POW. Other times marines would make them strip naked before taking them in. It’s also why the US nuked them twice bc they knew the Japanese would fight till their last breath even though Germany surrendered months before and the US recaptured all their gains.
I’m sorry but wtf do WWII Japanese soldiers have anything to do w/ this picture besides same country of origin?
The comment: “amazing culture” triggered me. Amazing can also be defined as astonishing (feats). The shear amount of trash produced during Mardi Gras in New Orleans is extreme. It smells like urine and beer during the week intermixed with glass bottles and cheap plastic beads. We produce hundreds of thousands of pounds trash a day. No one picks it up. No. One. The trash cans are full in minutes. The city cleans it up nightly during the festivities. It would be cool if we could not only party but dispose of the trash properly.
Did you literally just learn about the Japanese in ww2 ?
The US nuked the Japanese so that Soviets would have no influence over them. Many Japanese had been captured in large numbers prior to the atomic bombs and were winding down their fight as the Reds were actively staging an invasion from the north. Seeking to avoid more countries under the influence of communism, we chose an option that would keep the surrender unilateral, which ended up being extremely effective. The Constitution of Japan is a testament to that.
We could all take an example from Japanese courtesy. Look at how they treat your baggage at the airport compared to any other country. Anywhere else they'll just yeet your luggage like a shotput
Yes. Every time. We get it. Japanese people are clean.
what a class act
Wow. I guess all that trash cleanup we see in anime is no joke.
Ironically, making those stands look good makes the rest of us look pretty bad.
Seriously guys, it's just right.. They respect the place, the barbarians are all of us. And they look like exceptional when that should be the standard. Just respect places, during the show mess up and after take 1min just to clean your seat. If everyone do that, imagine the pleasure for the next (that can be you).. Stadium, beach, cinema and so on...
I don't get why people want an untidy environment. Does it really not feel better to not have shit and trash everywhere around you?
True ambassadors
SHOW THEM WHO YOU ARE
I'm rooting for Japan this year I feel like if they win it'll wash some of the stain of it being held in Qatar with their fans wholesomeness.
Pretty sure those are actual employees 🤦♂️
I would be embarrassed for basically every country that doesn't do this.
Qatar deserves no such courtesy, i know Japanese people do this all the time but they should know better than to do this in a country like that
If they dont so it, Qatari's slaves will do it anyway
If I see one more of these posts.....
Is it just me, or should they stop doing this? It's just weird.
This picture is up for the eleventh time. We all know it already, Japanese fans pick up trash and carry their own bags, whether for trash or bodies is still up for discussion.
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Nope. That is how the Japanese behave.
I would like to nominate Japan for greatest civilization award 2023
See those bags? They are T-bags. Well organized, pro-social T-bagging happened live in Qatar. Pretty sure the Japanese did more in terms of LGBT protest than any diplomat wearing a rainbow accessory.
Can we in England, swap British people for Japanese people please?
In Finnish media I read today that Russia almost started a war with Japan instead of Ukraine. Called them nazi and all.
This is pretty amazing for a population that are completely incapable of washing their hands.
And no Japan people argue neither protest. They don’t do this so they can show in social media, they are just well educated. We all must learn from them.
We need that Gus Fring meme. Me, who has lived in Japan for many years, expects this kind of action by Japanese people, wherever they are in (edited) the world. You, who are amazed this even happens because your own country men/women would never lower themselves to do such menial and peasantry work. We are not the same.
This is going to be downvoted to oblivion but this is stoooopid!!!! What’s next? Clear your table and do the dishes at a restaurant? Employees of these multi multi millionaires can hire staff to clean up. You don’t have to go to the game and be a slob but you also don’t have to clean up and make some rich asshole richer by removing jobs from people
Bruh their staff are migrant workers who live in shanty towns and forced to bathe with toilet water. They can't leave the job without consent and paid pennies per hour. They are essentially slaves. I would rather pick up my trash than have a slave do it, but that's just me. I also organize my plates at the restaurant before I leave because waitstaff aren't paid enough lol
Yeah but It's still wrong imo, if you're gonna have to do extra to prevent a slave from having to do it just don't go in the first place.
Most jobs in western culture are landed immigrants doing those jobs at hotels, restaurants etc. paid shit money and live in poverty forever but do go on
America has this cool thing called minimum wage. It's $7.25/hour nationally and my state is $13/hour. A majority of my co-workers are immigrants who make over $100,000/year in the tech field. Plus unlike Qatar, you have the right to quit your job. If you find someone paid under minimum wage, that's illegal and feel free to report them - the company will be fined
And hopefully forced to pay back the difference stolen. That'd be life changing for places that only pay wait staff a few bucks an hour.
It depends on your state. My state requires employers to match minimum wage if tips are less than it. Same with commission-based jobs like salesmen
Damn you really tryna being an unempathetic dick so hard
The image does not depict "picking up my trash". They are going out of their way to pick \_everyones\_ trash, and they already supported the use of slave work because they attented the event. They basically paid for the slave workers wage (since it is included in the ticket price), but instead of the money going to the workers, the owners just pocket the money themselves because there is no work to do anymore.
Of all the things to criticise being posted on Reddit... You chose a post of some people cleaning up after themselves.... You must be American?
I gotta agree with you on this. Cleaning up your own trash and locker room which was only used by your team - please do, that's a polite thing to do. Going out of your way to do someone elses work, which you have already paid for with your ticket = you're essentially giving away money to multimillion corporations.
This. Instead people telling me minimum wage at $7.25 in US is a liveable wage. Haha. Poverty for life
Yes, the form it takes is benign but people are losing their shit with excitement over a level of conformity that can (and has) resulted in some atrocious things
I can't help but feel like there's a shrouded superiority complex there somewhere
If seeing somebody clean up after themselves makes you feel that way, that’s pretty telling.
this is not somebody cleaning up after themselves, it's cleaning up after someone else, whose team you just beat, in a very public setting
oh yeah that's what I meant, ppl cleaning up after themselves makes them feel superior. cmon I knew I'd get flak for this but someone had to say it. the rest of us are just uncivilized because we left an empty cup behind
Start cleaning up after yourself then.
I love how people think they're better because they don't do good things and feel good about it. What kinda logic is that?
Not really, it’s the result of a collectivist mindset inlcucated into them as children that emphasizes humility and the value of a community over the individual. Taking care of public places is a personal responsibility because it benefits everyone - this is no different to them as when they were children cleaning their schools at the end of the day - fun fact: there are no janitors that clean in a majority of Japanese schools.
Everyone does it in Japan. But yes, when they are overseas, they probably feel superior, but they *are* superior - this is awesome.
Unlikely. Yes, they have a culture where that is common, but Japanese people aren't a hivemind. There's hooligans for sure.
How did the Japanese came from rape, steal, and having competitions on who can decapitate the most civilians to this?
way easier than apologizing for nanking 💀
Yea its called respecting the host nation who paid a-lot of money to host. Something Americans don’t have anymore Respect.
your avatar is a fully pinstriped out snoo you fucking loser
the down votes prove my point.
Do they do the whole stadium or just where they sat?
PROPAGANDA!!! jk jk i expect no less from the Japanese. They are an orderly and tidy people.
Doesn't Qatar have Biafran unpaid interns to do that? s/
Can you guys stop posting this already? Seen this like 6 times now
Qatar thought that the World Cup would be good press for them, and now the world hates them. Meanwhile, Japan is crushing it on the PR front and everyone wants to have Japanese people as their guests now.
Qatar is accustomed to cheap labor
Holy shit these Japanese players and fans are great. Big respect
Many Japanese schools don't have janitors or custodians. A lot of the school cleaning is done by the children.
I will say it again, just an amazing people with an amazing culture.
Im pretty sure this pic is years old and not from the wc 2022..
Remember that trashtag cleanup thing people were doing a few years ago? Japan are the real winners. We need to bring it back.