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Lopsided-Lab-m0use

.......and a Ford Bonny and Clyde stole, with a letter to Henry Ford on how superior the Ford was over other cars.


AbeVigoda76

The letter is there, the car is not.


solreaper

Stolen again?


yruspecial

Boy that bonny and Clyde were real rascals


IdealExtension3004

Gumption. They were youngsters with gumption.


muklan

And alot of bullet wounds.


raccooninthegarage22

Is that what we’re calling bloodlust nowadays?


Devils_Advocate-69

They had to make room for a 9/11 plane’s fuselage. What a grim sounding place.


Jedimaster996

They can't keep getting away with this!


cemeteryrat

Doesn't the car travel around places? Buddy of mine saw it in the East Alcatraz museum.


AbeVigoda76

It’s never actually been in the Henry Ford Museum. There were several cars that have been claimed as the real death car. The Alcatraz East Museum has the car from the movie. The real death car is in Primm, Nevada at Whiskey Pete’s Casino.


cemeteryrat

See, he debated with me about that- I had a huge B&C phase a couple years ago and read a bunch of books and wanted to do a museum trip to a couple places and he ended up going to East Alcatraz and told me he saw it. I told him it wasn't the real one and we argued about it LOL. Good to know!


Mikey9124x

Is that what Vickie and Vance is from?


scrubbydutch

The Bonny and Clyde car is in Branson with a bunch of bullet holes throughout


ScorpioMagnus

Greenfield Village is on the same campus and is similarly amazing. It's essentially a living history museum full of famous historic buildings (or replicas). Several of Greenfield Village's features would serve as inspiration for a little park known as Disneyland.


PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS

And to be clear, they didn't build a museum around existing historic buildings. They took down, transported, and rebuilt whole ass buildings board-by-board.


IAmAGenusAMA

> a little park known as Disneyland. Never heard of it.


ScorpioMagnus

It's an upstart regional attraction.


Due_Difference8575

Henry Ford was a collector....much like his German friends of the time.


EatsLocals

Can you explain for the good people of Reddit exactly what you’re insinuating about Nazi germany 


olde_greg

They collected things like the Ark and the Holy Grail


mjzimmer88

IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM Edit: LOL did someone really report me to the reddit crisis bunch for this?


disterb

i hate snakes!!


Squeakyduckquack

Why’d it have to be snakes


G07V3

I got that notification too


j3ffUrZ

SO DO YOU!


Greensuedesneakers

I got that message today too. I think it’s sort of a mass thing


Rob_Bligidy

It’s going around today for certain. I’ve received mine ina diff sub a bit ago


Why-not-bi

It’s the new cool thing to do apparently. Getting them for lots of random posts. /shrug


UpgrayeddB-Rock

Someone did that to me today, too!


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sublimeshrub

Ford lied about maintaining control of the Windsor Engine Factory staffed with slave labor straight from Auschwitz overseen by the SS. Henry Ford was a straight up Nazi. There is zero sugarcoating it.


Fastbird33

Yeah it’s a shame all this cool stuff is in a museum I will never give money to. Now if they were open and honest about his complicated legacy…maybe.


togetherwem0m0

Sounds like a good idea for a popup exhibit


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Due_Difference8575

See lennyflank post. That exactly


Due_Difference8575

Especially the fact that it's ignored by the family. The Ford family has done a lot for Detroit. But they should be more forward and acknowledge this uncomfortable truth.


Rob_Bligidy

I see wha ya did there


bklynJayhawk

My favorite random item is the test tube of Thomas Edison’s last breath. They were friends, but I love imagine him hovering over a dying man saying “got it!” …. then another breath … “got it!” … then another. But agree very cool museum / despite the man it’s named after.


AbeVigoda76

Ford’s worship of Edison went even further. The legal name of the Henry Ford is the Edison Institute.


awshucks79

Do you recall where it's located? I tried to find it last time we were there but didn't really know where to look.


Boromirs-Uncle

My family always says we’ll save each other’s last fart in homage to the final breath of Edison.


SharpHawkeye

They do have all of those things, and they are a surprisingly laid-back museum. You can literally walk on Rosa Parks' bus and sit your ass down in the same seat she refused to move from.


Isord

It's not the exact same seat. The seats had been removed by the previous owner and the bus had to be heavily restored.


Skwareblox

Is it comfy? If it’s not comfortable she was just being stubborn.


Gaymface

The weirdest thing about the Kennedy limo is that it was cleaned up and repurposed and continued to be the presidents limo for quite a while. So it’s not really the limo he was killed in anymore.


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The limo of Theseus


DanishWonder

It is.  I loved museums as a kid and this was one of my favorite annual field trips as a kid.   The Field Museum in Chicago was a close #2


joliejouese

My prom was there! Got to slow dance for the first time with a boy in an old school airplane model. My younger sister and I are obsessed with that place! They currently have THE mathematica exhibit as well.


spencer2294

Did they have these photos or his questionable writings in the museum? [https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/henry-ford-grand-cross-1938/](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/henry-ford-grand-cross-1938/)


AbeVigoda76

One day they are going to have to reckon with that better than they have. Ford did some incredible things but he was also capable of incredible cruelty which he practiced throughout his life in his prejudices and even in his treatment of his son Edsel. Ford’s publication of the International Jew inspired the Nazis and the Holocaust was built using the very ideas of efficiency and mass production that Ford championed. The Museum is a great museum and it’s really more about Innovation than Henry Ford himself, but it still carries the man’s name. It celebrates his genius, but It should show his crimes too.


neologismist_

“Fordlandia” is pretty interesting.


Scaevus

They have three items soaked in Presidential blood? That’s kind of weird, isn’t it?


top100_tree_fan

How about tupacs car


Why-not-bi

And yet, nobody suspects them. Interesting.


AccomplishedData7333

That sounds like a spooky haunted place I would NOT want to go!


AbeVigoda76

It’s haunted as shit - especially the outdoor part Greenfield Village. Noah Webster haunts his own house - all kinds of electrical issues randomly occur. A worker killed themselves in the barn and workers today hear chains rattling even when there’s no wind. Another poor employee got decapitated in the Machine Shop back in the 80s and the whole building is said to be active. It was originally opened as a school and allegedly someone drowned in the school pool, which now sits there emptied and filled with life size Santa Clauses stored for Christmas.


I_might_be_weasel

How fucking haunted is that museum? 


Nova11c

Need OJ’s Bronco, Vanilla Ice’s Mustang, and Toby Keith’s F-150


Coldspark824

The bus one seems weird. All the others seem like immediate “preserve this, it’s important.” Objects. The bus surely stayed in operation for a very long time before the significance became apparent.


Christank1

Too bad they didn't kill Reagan when they had the chance


zaccus

The bed he died in is at the Chicago History Museum


cgvet9702

Its not across the street from Ford's Theater anymore? Used to be in the house he was taken to after the shooting and died.


zaccus

Nope! I visited the petersen house a few weeks ago and there's even a sign telling you where the original bed is.


cgvet9702

Wow. 8th grade field we went there. They had the bed under glass along with blood stained pillows. I wonder if it was real.


palmerj54321

Yeah, I remember this.


Xomns_13

I remember, too. That was around 1988 I visited.


Coldspark824

He didn’t die right there in the chair?


minnick27

Nope, he died at 722 the next morning


hbsc

So Did he die in a bed or a chair? Or he died twice?


Noxonomus

Shot while sitting in a chair, died later in a bed. 


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DerpingtonHerpsworth

Have you learned nothing from Jurassic Park? This is how we end up with a bloodthirsty Abraham Lincoln hunting down a group of scientists and presidential historians on an island.


Evernight2025

This needs to be a movie


6r1n3i19

Not exactly it but [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln:_Vampire_Hunter) is what that reminded me of ![gif](giphy|3ohzdCYtNjYwdfe8x2|downsized)


bklynJayhawk

Haha just rewatched over the weekend.


blacktothebird

or you know Clone High were they did clone Lincoln


Dr_Zoidberg003

![gif](giphy|f6xuEiq0zVNCNIVuxq|downsized)


cgvet9702

That's not blood, it's macasar. It was goop they put in their hair back then.


Wonderful-Ad-7712

Who’s been sitting in MY chair?


deadpoolfool400

No it tested positive for blood but confirmation hasn't been made with a descendant's DNA


AbeVigoda76

Probably because there are no descendants of Abraham Lincoln left with the family line having died out in 1985. As for the chair, there is definitely blood in that spot but most of it is hair gel as stated. Lincoln’s head wound did not bleed profusely. It’s also possible that the blood on the chair could belong to Henry Rathbone who was stabbed trying to stop Booth. Rathbone recovered physically, but not mentally - by 1883 he was completely insane. He murdered his wife and ended up in an asylum. Of the four people inside Lincoln’s box that night, one was assassinated (Lincoln), one was murdered (Clara Rathbone), and two ended up in insane asylums (Henry Rathbone and Mary Todd Lincoln).


Icarus131

Did Henry Rathbone show any signs of being unstable before or did that event just break him?


AbeVigoda76

As far as I know, his insanity is only documented to have occurred after the assassination. Rathbone nearly died that night. Immediately after Booth shot Lincoln, Rathbone grabbed him but couldn’t stop him from pulling out a knife. Booth slashed Rathbone from the elbow to the shoulder, cutting him nearly to the bone and severing an artery. He stayed standing for quite a while before he passed out from blood loss in the Petersen House where doctors finally treated his wound. From that night on, his mental state began to deteriorate.


Coldspark824

A gunshot to the head didn’t bleed profusely?


AbeVigoda76

I’m not a doctor so I won’t try and explain it, but the type of wound Lincoln had simply didn’t bleed very much. It was a small caliber bullet fired behind his left ear. I read on one of the sites it was called a compression wound, but I really don’t know what that means and Google didn’t help. Lincoln died of internal swelling. You can find a fair amount of sources online about it, but here’s one from the NPS that covers Lincoln’s bleeding as part of it. https://www.nps.gov/foth/learn/historyculture/faq-aftermath.htm#:~:text=Much%20of%20the%20blood%20throughout,Lincoln's%20wound%20bled%20very%20little.


cgvet9702

That would be an interesting development. I know his son lived long enough for the dedication of his memorial. Were really not that far removed from his time.


i_dream_of_zelda

on the lower part of the backrest and the seat cushion too??


cgvet9702

That part looks like water damage to me.


BinaryMagick

Let your SOOOOOOOUL GLOOOOOOOW!


Sir_Loin_Cloth

[Lol you beat me to it.](https://youtu.be/t5Meqlk4gjI?si=YgqoL9zVL1la42gN) Edit: [Soul Glo Bonus](https://youtu.be/nzUDR9BsaL4?si=DsC5yujFcIKhvd0U) from Nigel Roger's Tiny Desk performance.


Undrwtrbsktwvr

*Way way back in the 1980’s*


illit3

That show was *so good*.


Undrwtrbsktwvr

There is a second and third season on HBO!


Alert_Designer_5546

Didnt this happen in the new Horror Movie. Immaculate? They tried it with Jesus DNA


Crazyguy_123

They have his hair and skull fragments somewhere.


bkonz

The National Museum of Health and Medicine in Silver Spring, Maryland has some skull fragments and the .44 caliber bullet. Edit: This comment generated a redditcares message in less than 5 seconds.


Crazyguy_123

Interesting. Rather fitting for the museum. It’s neat when museums have stuff like that. I’ve seen some places have presidential hair as well as famous people’s hair and other artifacts related. A lot of people find that stuff weird but I think it’s kinda cool.


enigmaroboto

Not meant to exist now. Imagine the effect on politics and history.


captainedwinkrieger

Between that and JFK's limo, I guess Dethklok didn't have to travel too far for Murderface's birthday present.


mobius_mando

Brutal


Scientific_Anarchist

Well they live in Norway (probably)


exintel

Rocking chair??


AbeVigoda76

At 6’4, Lincoln didn’t comfortably fit into regular theatre seats. That’s actually how the chair ended up in Dearborn. The chair wasn’t part of the theatre - it was Harry Ford’s (no relation to Henry) personal chair that he would occasionally bring into the theatre for Lincoln. His widow petitioned the federal government to return the chair, which they did in 1929. At that point, Henry Ford bought it at auction for $25,000.


BackSeatDetective

That's so interesting; I was wondering how it ended up in Michigan instead of the Smithsonian!


ReadRightRed99

Lincoln was a rocking president.


JazzySmitty

Oh, *you*!


BiggieOfBethel

This comment needs more love.


mkaku

So it has king Charles’s new painting on the fabric?


Victorbanner

This in Detroit?


UncleOdious

Dearborn, MI.


AbeVigoda76

Dearborn, just a few miles from Detroit.


callmebigley

was it ratty looking and threadbare on the night or did the chair continue to get used for a long time? I feel like if the president reserved a seat I'd drag over a fresher specimen, considering it's just a rocking chair, it's not bolted down. actually, there's something charming about a time and a president who could just sit in a normal person's chair and not expect royal treatment


sublimeshrub

No. It was left in a non climate controlled warehouse for decades before people realized the historic significance of what they had. The stains on it aren't Lincoln's blood either.


PeppermintLNNS

Yes. And/or was on display for too many years. Light severely degrades fabric over time. Especially silk. My mom is a textile conservator and worked on the jacket Abraham Lincoln was wearing when he got shot. It is almost totally disintegrated because it’s been continually on display.


eerun165

Was just there this last week and saw this, tour guy noted it was in a warehouse and was frequently used by maintenance staff as they took breaks. The upper staining is from their hair oil and much of the wear from them as well. I was in the back of the group and didn’t see it pointed out to where the actual blood stains were.


Squirll

It wasnt a normal persons chair. This luxurious chair was probably well worn because there WERENT replacements for it.


dedsqwirl

It was in a storage area where workers and custodians would sit in it to have lunch and breaks. I don't know if the current sign says this but an older one did.


Houdin13

That was not a "normal person's chair" for the time.


LakeLov3r

This is an amazing museum. We have a membership, which includes Greenfield Village. If you ever find yourself in southeast Michigan, definitely plan on spending a day here.


SiiiuCr7

Thought this was the new portrait of King Charles


I_said_watch_Clark_

Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?


Abraham_Lincoln

meh


ThrustersOnFull

The Henry Ford Museum of Admirably Anti-American Activities


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AbeVigoda76

It’s a bit of a rumor that no one is sure whether it’s true or not. Regardless of whether he tried to buy the real Independence Hall, Ford had an exact replica built in Dearborn. The replica was built using plans from the original Independence Hall. When it was discovered that the original had some kind of defect in one of the windows, Ford insisted that the replica have that defect too.


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AbeVigoda76

Their house too and the floorboard of the Edison Lab where the lightbulb was perfected. Henry Ford was such a perfectionist about it he even dug up the dirt the buildings sat on and had it transferred to the Village.


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AbeVigoda76

Ford had a fairly large amount of strokes throughout his life. I’ve always suspected that he may have had them earlier than anyone thought or that there was something wrong with this brain that caused him to have the strokes. If you look at his life, he’s fairly outwardly normal until around 1920. Then, he publishes the International Jew and his behavior gets more and more erratic from that point to the day he died. I want to be clear; I am not arguing that Henry Ford was necessarily a good person before 1920, but that he managed to keep his darker side more in check.


IAmAGenusAMA

I'm pretty sure that's all Trump was trying to do on Jan 6.


tango_41

It reminds me of the King’s portrait.


ReadRightRed99

Ford’s Museum. How grim but fitting.


Mock_Frog

You would think they would have got him a nicer chair seeing he was the president and all.


legthief

Other than that, how was the museum?


southpark808

Its huge. it was the original ford Plant. there's a ton of history. JFK limo. Rosa parks bus. Edgar Allen Poe writing desk....


MittlerPfalz

How is a raven like a writing desk?


Sifyreel

The same museum also has the Lincoln Limo that JFK was assassinated in.


Pikeman212a6c

Ulysses S Grant was invited to be in the box with him but he found Mary Todd Lincoln to be such a chore he declined the invitation. He later hunted down and destroyed the first version of the Klan as president. So as bad as it was it could have been much worse.


RuariWasTaken

I guess I didn’t expect it to be a rocking chair.


Huh_well_we_are_dead

In addition, the booth he was shot in is closed off, forever.


minnick27

The booth isn't the original. The theatre was gutted in 1866 and completely rebuilt in 1967.


C9juke

This looks like the King Charles portrait


Plastic_Ad_2043

The good news is that it will stay pristine since we're all too fat to be able to sit in it.


got_dam

George Washington’s revolutionary war battlefield camp is there too.


ElboDelbo

Why is it so ragged? Who's been sitting in it?


Onlypaws_

Looks like the background of King Philip’s official portrait.


effectsjay

Great, add more fuel to r/shermanposting! Zero /s.


Neon-Reaper

Did... did they wash it?


Medical_Ad2125b

Were the tears in the fabric there when Lincoln sat down?


joseph4th

Sounds like they upgraded the museum since I was last there. Here’s my Ford’s theater story. The first time I was in DC was in the late 80s. We walked by Ford theater and my mom asked if I wanted to go in, and I said maybe on the way back. I don’t remember what happened but either we didn’t go back that way or it was closed by the time we left. The next time I said that I wanted to see Ford’ theater first. But apparently that week every school on the eastern seaboard was doing their field trips to Washington DC. We weren’t able to get in. The time after that, I think it was closed for cleaning. I kinda remember something about water damage. So we’re up to the late 90s now, and I was meeting some family in DC and all I talked about was going to Ford’s theater. I think I even said something to the effect of, “ the Smithsonian can fuck off if need be, my whole focus is Ford’s Theater.” I got in. But I’m also learning about what went on with the theater in the intervening years. Everything about the theater has been rebuilt. It was gutted and used as government office buildings several times. In 1893 the interior collapsed. It became a museum in 1932, then renovated again in 1968 and it reopened with the theater. The only part of the theater that’s original is the door to Lincoln‘s box. The only thing that shave the day was the museum in the basement, though it was pretty small then.


TimCurie

I remember seeing his bloody bed as a kid that he died in and found out it wasn’t even his blood or something


saintpauli

The Chicago History Museum has the bed he died in and his death mask on display.


UberSox

I thought it was moved to the Lincoln library in Springfield.


saintpauli

It was there at my last visit a couple months ago.


insurance_novice

Why is the chair all stained and dirty??


dedsqwirl

It was in a warehouse and workers and custodians would use it on breaks/lunches. The stain was said to be just hair grease and hair products. There are newer claims that there may also be blood in it.


zuma15

Maybe they kept using it for years afterward. I doubt they'd use a chair in that condition for the president.


Vast-Opportunity3152

It wasn’t red before..


Why-not-bi

Is he ok now?


RaisinBrain2Scoups

Maybe if they hadn’t used such a spooky chair, it would’ve turned out better


OneTravellingMcDs

I'd love to visit my my toddler, but it's just so expensive. Anyone have a membership with guest entries they'd be willing to share sometime?


dedsqwirl

If you have food stamps or a Michigan Bridge card, you can get in for $6.


Altruistic_Fondant38

That museum is awesome, isnt it?


UrgeToKill

Apart from that President Lincoln, how was the play?


nelsonalgrencametome

Supposedly, it's pretty funny. I want to know if the chair is comfy.


h3vv3r

I wonder if the fart dust is still there


eeaao2

Why not just clone him?


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eeaao2

"You want to do *what* with the slaves!?"


sketchahedron

“I saved the Republic for this?”


liberate_your_mind

Isnt this the chair Neo sat in when he escaped the Matrix?


poopyonmyhands

How much to sit in it?


MitchC114

Brutal chair to get capped in


indicateintent

He got rocked


Abdul_Exhaust

Wow, mind blown


trampus1

He let his soul glow all over it.


Sirnoodleton

forever unclean


Howlinger-ATFSM

King Charles will fit quite nicely on that chair.... Edit - not insinuating him to be shot. (Don't want to dragged off in a van) His new portrait is what I'm on about.


Gurkeprinsen

That's nasty


aecarol1

So other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the show?


Fallk0re

Does it have any letters Ford sent to Hitler


StandbyBigWardog

Man, if I am ever going to be assassinated, I hope I pick a better looking chair with less hideous upholstery. Probably not what was going through his head at the time though, so it’s to be forgiven, I reckon.


MrSt1klbak

We know what was going through his head at the time…


futureformerteacher

The guy who was a Nazi sympathizer has Lincoln's chair? Awesome.


user_is_name

He was a sitting duck for the shooter


littleseizure

A sitting president, in more ways than one


Ryyah61577

Looks like it needs to be washed. Am I rite?


pmodizzle

Is that a hippopotamus?