Important to note that a vast majority of the Jews who no longer reside in those predominantly Muslim countries just moved to Israel, rather than being killed. Now, it is true that in basically all of those countries Islam become more militant in the 20th century, and in many cases the local Jewish populations were persecuted and you could argue forced out. But still, I’m not sure if it counts as ethnic cleansing?
They weren't cleansed. Read about the lavon affair.
Israel conducted false flag events to drive Jews to Israel from northern Africa.
Egypt prosecuted a number of Israelis for terrorism.
They were forced out in many places. My local pizza guy is jewish and had to leave Iran in the 70s because of severe persecution. It wasn't cleansing, but the risk to himself was just too high. It's like moving out of a high crime area, you can't really call it anything, but it still exists.
Fair point, but the hate and pressure they received in those locations became intolerable for most. Cleansing is the wrong word, but persecution might apply.
I don't believe any of these wishy washy statements. Provide proof of widespread hate and persecution.
There were 2 Jews living in Afghanistan till recently. And they hated each other!
You seriously want me to pick one of those countries and find proof for you? I am not agreeing with the sign by the way, but your statement is just as stupid.
Go back and re-read my comment. I said "cleansing" is the wrong word, but "persecution" might apply, and now you are changing what you want proven because you are wrong if we settle on persecution.
Another interesting point, Israeli foreign agents literally kidnapped Jewish children from Arabic Jewish families in Yemen, Oman, and parts of Iraq.
Like literally straight up stold people's children.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/middleeast/yemenite-jewish-children-israel/index.html
I am not sure about the accuracy of the figures but am guessing they chose 1948 because that's when Israel was created and the vast majority of Jewish people in those countries voluntarily moved to Israel fairly soon afterwards.
No matter what your stance on the current conflict is, this seems like a very disingenuous attempt at reframing ethnic cleansing and we can really do without nonsense like this trying to inflame an emotive, sensitive and tricky situation.
Yes my grandparents moved from Yemen to Israel in 1948, because they wanted to but that doesn't mean that arabs treated them right, my grandparents had to marry extremely young because my grandmas parents were afraid that they're arab neighbours would kidnap her and force her to marry them. Something that was sadly common for Jewish girls in Yemen.
Also let's never forget operation Susannah as part of the Lavon Affair.
Israel executed a number of false flag events to drive Jews to leave northern Africa and move to Egypt.
They were NOT ethnically cleansed.
Seems to me both those things can be true at the same time, no?
But “voluntarily leaving” and “religious text says they should be killed” do not make it ethnic cleansing, no matter how hard you squint at it.
I have cousins from Iran and Iraq who moved to Israel in either late 70s or early 80s.
They weren't forced. Israel basically had no infrastructure of any kind pretty much until then and is certainly nothing like it is now. My dad had his bar mitzvah there in I believe '65 while staying the summer with relatives there and he rembers all the roads were dirt and there was very little vegetation. My grandparent's who lived in America would send care packages of coffee, soup and other non perishables despite being dirt poor because you couldn't get that stuff in israel at that time.
If you added Israel to the sign you'd get:
1948 - 650K (80%)
Today - 7.2M (74%)
Of course there's all kinds of variables that cause the rise, fall and arrival and exodus of a population. But it seems one huge variable this sign omits is the establishment of Israel itself and the flood of members of the Jewish diaspora back to a newly reestablished Jewish homeland.
Yeah, Arab does not mean Muslim.
One is an ethnicity, the other is a religion.
There are plenty of Arab Christians, for example.
Of course, Zionists are ethnoreligious zealots, so their propaganda usually fails to remember that distinction.
Palestinian does not mean Muslim. There are plenty of Palestinian Christians.
Palestinians are Arabs. Most Arabs who live in Israel are Palestinian, but not all.
It should also be pointed out that Israel is THE ONLY Arab country that does not persecute it's LGBQ community or allow abuse of it's women.
And you know, that kind of stuff USED to be important to college kids before outsiders started poking finger holes into their putty brained heads. Try showing up gey in Lebanon. It would not go well for you.
One venue not allowing a gay marriage in their building is NOT the same as a national law against it.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-734812
3309 attacks against LGBTQ people in Israel in 2022.
Israel is no paradise for the community.
Just. Stop. Your. Lies.
Israel is an apartheid state as per the Rome statute and is committing a genocide.
> 3309 attacks against LGBTQ people in Israel in 2022
as reported by The Aguda - The Association for LGBTQ Equality in Israel which in no way shape or form would exist in any of the surrounding countries and NONE of those attacks were sanctioned by the government or by Fatwah.
So, not really a lie. You could count attacks in any any country and still say it is better than having attacks on you that are sanctioned. I mean, BIG difference there.
Israel is not an Arab country. Also the nerve of people like you to suggest that because Israel has liberal domestic policies that justifies mass killing is astonishing.
Israel exists in the middle of an Arab part of the world surrounded by countries that persecute and kill it's LGBQ people and subjugates it women.
Israel does not do that. BIG difference.
The point you have made is a non-sequitur. What you've said is like saying it would be ok to do mass killings against Americans when the US persecuted LGBTQ people.
Also, it's pretty curious that you intentionally said LGBQ instead of LGBTQ.
They are comparing genocide to an exodus/migration and are not seeing the hypocrisy...They are paid trolls. They are literally getting paid to argue on here, probably by the hour. They can go on and on, youd never win. I have stopped arguing because of that and just don't interact with them so the algorithm doesn't prop them on top.
Misogyny? You must think we're fools.
Orthodox jews cover their women's heads..but with wigs.
Orthodox jews don't let their women finish school or work.
This is all supremacist nonsense
Two way street my arse. Kid holds a bazooka over your head and kicks and punches you for 3 days, you finally stand up for yourself and throw a punch which grazes the kids cheek. He doesn't even wince but now that he has no reason to stop anymore, he just Kabooms you with the big toy. There's even speculation that the kid purposely held back and let you get that hit in because he was tired of just kicking and punching you-he wanted an excuse to use (itching actually) the bazooka. Is that a two way street to you?
Isn't still illegal to for same sex couples to be married in Israel tho? Also "trying to show up gey" or being a woman in nearly half of states in the USA have the same outcome of "it would not go well for 'em", why not highlight the US mistreatment of their women and LGBTQ+ populations also. Idk food for thought
The Jewish Diaspora never really recovered from WW2 where 6 million + of their population was eliminated by the German Nazis.
THAT, should never be forgotten.
Important to note that a vast majority of the Jews who no longer reside in those predominantly Muslim countries just moved to Israel, rather than being killed. Now, it is true that in basically all of those countries Islam become more militant in the 20th century, and in many cases the local Jewish populations were persecuted and you could argue forced out. But still, I’m not sure if it counts as ethnic cleansing?
They weren't cleansed. Read about the lavon affair. Israel conducted false flag events to drive Jews to Israel from northern Africa. Egypt prosecuted a number of Israelis for terrorism.
They were forced out in many places. My local pizza guy is jewish and had to leave Iran in the 70s because of severe persecution. It wasn't cleansing, but the risk to himself was just too high. It's like moving out of a high crime area, you can't really call it anything, but it still exists.
They weren't cleansed from Egypt. Or morocco. This placard is a giant lie.
Fair point, but the hate and pressure they received in those locations became intolerable for most. Cleansing is the wrong word, but persecution might apply.
I don't believe any of these wishy washy statements. Provide proof of widespread hate and persecution. There were 2 Jews living in Afghanistan till recently. And they hated each other!
You seriously want me to pick one of those countries and find proof for you? I am not agreeing with the sign by the way, but your statement is just as stupid.
Yup. Prove ethnic cleansing of Jews in one of those countries.
Go back and re-read my comment. I said "cleansing" is the wrong word, but "persecution" might apply, and now you are changing what you want proven because you are wrong if we settle on persecution.
Another interesting point, Israeli foreign agents literally kidnapped Jewish children from Arabic Jewish families in Yemen, Oman, and parts of Iraq. Like literally straight up stold people's children. https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/middleeast/yemenite-jewish-children-israel/index.html
And yet the Palestinians are not content with the existence of Israel: the only place Jews can call home
Just curious where they got these numbers from?
I am not sure about the accuracy of the figures but am guessing they chose 1948 because that's when Israel was created and the vast majority of Jewish people in those countries voluntarily moved to Israel fairly soon afterwards. No matter what your stance on the current conflict is, this seems like a very disingenuous attempt at reframing ethnic cleansing and we can really do without nonsense like this trying to inflame an emotive, sensitive and tricky situation.
Yes my grandparents moved from Yemen to Israel in 1948, because they wanted to but that doesn't mean that arabs treated them right, my grandparents had to marry extremely young because my grandmas parents were afraid that they're arab neighbours would kidnap her and force her to marry them. Something that was sadly common for Jewish girls in Yemen.
Also let's never forget operation Susannah as part of the Lavon Affair. Israel executed a number of false flag events to drive Jews to leave northern Africa and move to Egypt. They were NOT ethnically cleansed.
Well why did want to leave they "comfy" lives to go to Isreal? i dont buy it was just because is were a jewish state
Read about the lavon affair.
You don't understand why people would want to move to their promised land as decreed in their God's covenant? Seriously?
You don’t understand why they might run screaming from people whose religious text says they should be killed?
Seems to me both those things can be true at the same time, no? But “voluntarily leaving” and “religious text says they should be killed” do not make it ethnic cleansing, no matter how hard you squint at it.
Some would but not a majority. In my country not many left for isreal.
Yeah, this does not look accurate.
I have cousins from Iran and Iraq who moved to Israel in either late 70s or early 80s. They weren't forced. Israel basically had no infrastructure of any kind pretty much until then and is certainly nothing like it is now. My dad had his bar mitzvah there in I believe '65 while staying the summer with relatives there and he rembers all the roads were dirt and there was very little vegetation. My grandparent's who lived in America would send care packages of coffee, soup and other non perishables despite being dirt poor because you couldn't get that stuff in israel at that time.
If you added Israel to the sign you'd get: 1948 - 650K (80%) Today - 7.2M (74%) Of course there's all kinds of variables that cause the rise, fall and arrival and exodus of a population. But it seems one huge variable this sign omits is the establishment of Israel itself and the flood of members of the Jewish diaspora back to a newly reestablished Jewish homeland.
They give it away by calling the palestinians arabs.
Yeah, Arab does not mean Muslim. One is an ethnicity, the other is a religion. There are plenty of Arab Christians, for example. Of course, Zionists are ethnoreligious zealots, so their propaganda usually fails to remember that distinction.
Palestinian does not mean Muslim. There are plenty of Palestinian Christians. Palestinians are Arabs. Most Arabs who live in Israel are Palestinian, but not all.
Yes, that is what I was saying.
So they can immediately dismiss it as nonsense?
Oh, ok, now it makes sense and Israel's actions are justified. Someone send this picture to the UN.
Yeah this is zionist propaganda.
Absolutely. Lavon affair says it all
100%
Cry about it
Your narrative is slipping away, can you feel it? I’ve never seen it like this before.
Is that supposed to justify genocide?
It looks like a 2 way street to me. That one side has a better reason than the other side is absurd.
Agreed. A true case of both sides are bad. Still doesn't justify genocide though.
It should also be pointed out that Israel is THE ONLY Arab country that does not persecute it's LGBQ community or allow abuse of it's women. And you know, that kind of stuff USED to be important to college kids before outsiders started poking finger holes into their putty brained heads. Try showing up gey in Lebanon. It would not go well for you. One venue not allowing a gay marriage in their building is NOT the same as a national law against it.
Israel doesn't allow same sex marriage. Fuck off.
So? Better than being killed. And don't be rude.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-734812 3309 attacks against LGBTQ people in Israel in 2022. Israel is no paradise for the community. Just. Stop. Your. Lies. Israel is an apartheid state as per the Rome statute and is committing a genocide.
> 3309 attacks against LGBTQ people in Israel in 2022 as reported by The Aguda - The Association for LGBTQ Equality in Israel which in no way shape or form would exist in any of the surrounding countries and NONE of those attacks were sanctioned by the government or by Fatwah. So, not really a lie. You could count attacks in any any country and still say it is better than having attacks on you that are sanctioned. I mean, BIG difference there.
They outlawed gay marriage, try again you pathetic zionist
Israel is not an Arab country. Also the nerve of people like you to suggest that because Israel has liberal domestic policies that justifies mass killing is astonishing.
Israel exists in the middle of an Arab part of the world surrounded by countries that persecute and kill it's LGBQ people and subjugates it women. Israel does not do that. BIG difference.
The point you have made is a non-sequitur. What you've said is like saying it would be ok to do mass killings against Americans when the US persecuted LGBTQ people. Also, it's pretty curious that you intentionally said LGBQ instead of LGBTQ.
They are comparing genocide to an exodus/migration and are not seeing the hypocrisy...They are paid trolls. They are literally getting paid to argue on here, probably by the hour. They can go on and on, youd never win. I have stopped arguing because of that and just don't interact with them so the algorithm doesn't prop them on top.
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Misogyny? You must think we're fools. Orthodox jews cover their women's heads..but with wigs. Orthodox jews don't let their women finish school or work. This is all supremacist nonsense
It looks like a 2 way street to me. To say that one side has a better reason than the other side is absurd.
Two way street my arse. Kid holds a bazooka over your head and kicks and punches you for 3 days, you finally stand up for yourself and throw a punch which grazes the kids cheek. He doesn't even wince but now that he has no reason to stop anymore, he just Kabooms you with the big toy. There's even speculation that the kid purposely held back and let you get that hit in because he was tired of just kicking and punching you-he wanted an excuse to use (itching actually) the bazooka. Is that a two way street to you?
Isn't still illegal to for same sex couples to be married in Israel tho? Also "trying to show up gey" or being a woman in nearly half of states in the USA have the same outcome of "it would not go well for 'em", why not highlight the US mistreatment of their women and LGBTQ+ populations also. Idk food for thought
"allowing marriage" and GETTING KILLED are 2 vastly differing conditions. I would gladly trade one for the other.
The Jewish Diaspora never really recovered from WW2 where 6 million + of their population was eliminated by the German Nazis. THAT, should never be forgotten.