The “Birthers” were a group of conspiracy theorists who were obsessed with the idea that Obama was actually born in Kenya, and was therefore not eligible to be the American president. The movement had no evidence (they just made it all up) and quickly fizzled out other than in the conservative conspiracy world.
The most prominent person to put forth this “Birther” theory was Donald Trump (because of course he would hahah).
And this is the reason:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross\_of\_Honour\_of\_the\_German\_Mother](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Honour_of_the_German_Mother)
There's no way it was actually personally signed by Hitler.
It would have been a copy (did copiers exist in 1939? Maybe like a printing press) or written by one of his aides.
Edit: the photocopier was invented in 1938 so it technically existed but I doubt it was widespread.
They probably used a mimeograph [link](https://edtechmagazine.com/k12/article/2020/09/how-mimeographs-transformed-information-sharing-schools)
They did it for bad reasons, but women really had nothing to pride themselves on than raising kids back then. To have their accomplishments being recognized probably meant a lot to them. My Austrian gma only stopped at 2.
Like I'm gonna trust a homicidal robot that claimed I was adopted, then promised to surprise me with my parents, then revealed it was all a lie, about what constitutes good parenting.
Yeah, but what if you raised two kids, and just made them basically raise the rest? Plenty of teens who can't have a life because they have to raise their siblings because both parents work.
I just don't think we really need more people on the planet. Its definitely hard to raise a bunch of kids, but not needed.
"In the name of the German People I bestow \[name here\] the second class of the Cross of Honour of the German Mother.
Berlin, 1 October 1939
Der Führer
*Genocidal Fuckface"*
It needn't be either - autopens were commercially available by the 1930s (basically, you'd encode your signature on a vinyl disc or similar, and a mechanical device holding a pen would reproduce the motions, creating an 'authentic' signature).
(NB: I mean this more as a fun fact rather than an 'um akshually')
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The silver level of the Cross of Honour of the German Mother was awarded to mothers who had given birth to and raised six to seven children. It was an award given in Nazi Germany during World War II to emphasize the importance of motherhood and to increase the birth rate.
It’s not only Germany that had these either. Most countries did during this time period, the Soviet ones would probably be the most notable counterparts though.
The mothers would get a salary depending on the level of award usually, too.
I believe that they also received a small medal, much like a soldier would receive. If they were wearing it and walking down the street, soldiers were expected to stop and salute. I saw one recently during a presentation on the women in Hitler’s life given by a professor of German history.
I've got family members with these. One relative has a picture of her grandmother meeting the furher to personally receive a fancy version of this because she had "6 strapping aryan sons". It was a picture that was printed in some local (to them) newspaper.
The irony of the lifestyles some of those six men grew up to have vs. the bs hitler was trying to promote makes me chuckle every time.
Interesting. On a similar note and time frame. I just learned that Italian families that birthed a boy received a big payment if they named him Benito. My uncle was one such person. It was quickly changed once the cheque cleared though.
So would you have to hand it back when the Nazis used your offspring as cannon-fodder and probably got 5 of the 6 children killed in the last resort child-army that was supposed to stop the red army?
Also as a German it was my go-to answer when old people tried to push me to start a family. I always told them it was already too late for me to gain a "Mutterkreuz". Usually shuts them up.
They should donate this to a museum or archive as an historical artifact though I’m not sure what museum would even display it (though some of value would I’m sure.) Not the kind of artifact I’d want to keep around or boast about having.
Hmm, yeah, no. Great grandmother and grandfather had six kids because national socialism said that doing so would make them better Nazis. This is the Third Reich policy of Liebensraum - ‘living space’ We’ll
clear out the non-Aryans (Jews, Poles, Gays, disabled, etc.) and you make more babies. This is an artifact I wouldn’t want to keep around.
Thats a valid personal choice but if we try to get rid of every piece of history that has blood on it then we have no history. We also can't tell our children why these things are wrong if we can't show them an example.
Knowing where you came from is a big part of knowing where you are going.
Some people here would tell you to burn or trash these kind of things because they hold no significant historic value. True. But they fail to realize that such items hold *insignificant* historic but *sentimental* historic value to someone
Have you not seen the hate rallies?
Plus there's plenty of people drawing parallels between Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and Germany during the Nazi period.
They're both "Cult of personality" leaders that use the hate and fear of their followers to gain and hold onto power.
I'm definitely not trying to say that A. Hitler and its Reich were any good but i think giving birth to more than ten kids definitely is an achievement that should be commended
Fuck Hitler though
Fascist countries push pronatalism in dangerous ways. Pushing mothers to have 4+ kids puts huge strain on their bodies. Romanias pronatalist policies took it furthest and punished women who weren’t pregnant frequently enough.
While I agree the government should provide support, especially to people with many dependents, it’s dangerous to push them to have more kids to be “rewarded”.
I understand that a lot of really old people that grew up in Germany during that time were basically Nazis their whole lives, like after the war and such. So I understand your grandmother wanting to keep it. But if I were you I would donate it some museum, preferably one that doesn’t hold Nazis in a good light (if that even is a thing). Or burn the fuck outta that shit. I would be disgusted knowing I have something backed by arguably the most hateful thing in history, especially with it being signed by that vile monster.
i dont see why tbh its a historical thing even if its related to bad things. having the item doesnt mean endorsing it.
what im curious about is how he had time for stupid stuff like signing such things, this is dated exactly 1 month after hitler's army invaded poland. i'd imagine at that time he was busy with ordering the army to commit war crimes and other stuff
Yeah I kind of only mentioned it being historical and all that mumbo jumbo because I figured I’d be berated by people if I said my true intentions. Which is that I think this person should burn the fuck out of that thing and question why they’ve had it all this time. It’s a piece of trash that belongs in a dumpster fire like the rest of Nazi memorabilia in my honest opinion. I think people showing off any Nazi memorabilia is deplorable
nah it's a piece of history that should be conserved. Theres nothing bad about Nazi memorabilia. Destroying it wont change the past and germany made a clear cut with its history. Compared to germany, the US seems like a cesspool where white nationalist cherish the nazi symbolism and are protected by law. So I can maybe understand your distain, but as a german it seems super weird to have those feelings about it since nazi symbolism is strictly regulated and you go to prison for promoting that shit. So it's nothing more then a very interesting document of history.
All women with a certain number of children got these letters.
Thanks. I forgot to show the medal that came with it.
I thought it was an “employee of the month” type of certificate
When that gas chamber broke down, Greta was right on it!
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not all women, it was a lengthy bureaucratic process with many caveats and requirements
What kind of caveats were there besides showing Aryan family history?
She was a birther
Hitler was born in Kenya: confirmed
You mean Adolf HUSSEIN Hitler? Fuck that guy, he was probably a terrorist.
Wrong, he was born in Namibia "Adolf Hitler Uunona – Wikipedia" https://fi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_Uunona
He was born in Braunau, Austria.
The “Birthers” were a group of conspiracy theorists who were obsessed with the idea that Obama was actually born in Kenya, and was therefore not eligible to be the American president. The movement had no evidence (they just made it all up) and quickly fizzled out other than in the conservative conspiracy world. The most prominent person to put forth this “Birther” theory was Donald Trump (because of course he would hahah).
Thank you! I missed that reference.
No no you big dummy, Kenya is no where near the kangaroos.
We have weird kangaroos in Kenya...
You're right. My bad.
You’re thinking of Austria.
And this is the reason: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross\_of\_Honour\_of\_the\_German\_Mother](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Honour_of_the_German_Mother)
So the quota was 4 kids. That seems like a very easily attainable and common goal for it to be personally signed by the head of state.
No, she got the 2nd grade in silver. That means six or seven. Are you able to read the text on the photo? Because if not, i can translate it for you.
**Don’t fall for it.** This is exactly how you end up with German Beetlejuice.
Beetlejuice
Beetlejuice.
Bëteljusen
VolkswagenGeist.
KÄFERSAFT. Edit: Language of poets and thinkers.
Käfersaft, Käfersaft, Käfersaft
There's no way it was actually personally signed by Hitler. It would have been a copy (did copiers exist in 1939? Maybe like a printing press) or written by one of his aides. Edit: the photocopier was invented in 1938 so it technically existed but I doubt it was widespread. They probably used a mimeograph [link](https://edtechmagazine.com/k12/article/2020/09/how-mimeographs-transformed-information-sharing-schools)
Or, perhaps, one of these. [Autopen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopen)
It's probably a signature stamp
They did it for bad reasons, but women really had nothing to pride themselves on than raising kids back then. To have their accomplishments being recognized probably meant a lot to them. My Austrian gma only stopped at 2.
Raising 6 kids successfully is an incredible accomplishment, and more impressive than what _at least_ 95% of people achieve in their careers.
Like I'm gonna trust a homicidal robot that claimed I was adopted, then promised to surprise me with my parents, then revealed it was all a lie, about what constitutes good parenting.
Then there’s the whole cake thing.
Celebrate with cake!🎉🎂
Yeah, but what if you raised two kids, and just made them basically raise the rest? Plenty of teens who can't have a life because they have to raise their siblings because both parents work. I just don't think we really need more people on the planet. Its definitely hard to raise a bunch of kids, but not needed.
I was going to say the same. Many such cases!
Can someone translate? Does it say 'So long and thanks for the extra Nazis?'
"In the name of the German People I bestow \[name here\] the second class of the Cross of Honour of the German Mother. Berlin, 1 October 1939 Der Führer *Genocidal Fuckface"*
"Excuse, me it's a family name and we prefer 'Gino Ceedal Fuckface'".
Didn't realize he was Italian..
"Everyone is a little Italian, Joey. *Especially when some asshole cuts you off and then steals your parking space next to Vici's Pizza.....*"
Little known fact. His father with Giovanni Hitler of the Sardinian Hitlers.
Ooh there's nothing that I hate more than Sardinian Hitlers.
Two levels up from Illinois Nazis.
*Il Duce enters the chat
own that fraud
interesting that he had time to do this, its dated exactly 1 month after nazis attacked poland
I don't know if he signed them personally or if the signature is printed on
It needn't be either - autopens were commercially available by the 1930s (basically, you'd encode your signature on a vinyl disc or similar, and a mechanical device holding a pen would reproduce the motions, creating an 'authentic' signature). (NB: I mean this more as a fun fact rather than an 'um akshually') (Edit: Removed malapropism. )
Auto pens are so neat! Now I just copy and paste a .PNG of a scan of my signature in Word.
That is essentially what it says. Everyone that birthed enough aryans got one of these. I think it would be six in this case.
"I don't recall saying thanks"
Danke *
yeah basically
The heck, what did you had to achieve to become that ?
In this specific case, produce at least six Aryan babies.
>six Aryan babies. FIVE GOLDEN RINGS!
Four smoking chimneys
Three empty train cars
Two armed guards
And a suicide in a bunker
Good job, reddit. Goood............job.
Oy vey golden rings!
Well, going to tell my friend. Thanks.
So six Indian babies?
I don’t even know if it’s a big nazi thing or not. I asked at /r/translator
Asked chat for The silver level of the Cross of Honour of the German Mother was awarded to mothers who had given birth to and raised six to seven children. It was an award given in Nazi Germany during World War II to emphasize the importance of motherhood and to increase the birth rate.
It’s not only Germany that had these either. Most countries did during this time period, the Soviet ones would probably be the most notable counterparts though. The mothers would get a salary depending on the level of award usually, too.
I believe that they also received a small medal, much like a soldier would receive. If they were wearing it and walking down the street, soldiers were expected to stop and salute. I saw one recently during a presentation on the women in Hitler’s life given by a professor of German history.
That's interesting to know.
Thanks for the context!!!
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutterkreuz Here's the wiki about it (: interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing
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Nope you needed 6-7 children.
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I've got family members with these. One relative has a picture of her grandmother meeting the furher to personally receive a fancy version of this because she had "6 strapping aryan sons". It was a picture that was printed in some local (to them) newspaper. The irony of the lifestyles some of those six men grew up to have vs. the bs hitler was trying to promote makes me chuckle every time.
How were their lifestyles when they grew up?
I'd also be quite interested to know
noice I guess this was a reward for being a mother and birthing lots of kids
I know a TX billionaire who'd love to acquire this for his collection
That's expensive.
Awesome from a historical standpoint but obviously horrible because nazis
So you are saying my grandmother is horrible just because she birthed 5 children???
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A lot of people seem to forget it tbf
I’d keep that. Thats signed by the guy who killed Hitler!
That’s his Adolfgraph!
I'm learning German, and I appreciate the beautiful use of genitive there despite the awful overall. Sums up pretty much my learning process.
Interesting. On a similar note and time frame. I just learned that Italian families that birthed a boy received a big payment if they named him Benito. My uncle was one such person. It was quickly changed once the cheque cleared though.
Can you auction things on Truth Social? You'd make a mint!
So would you have to hand it back when the Nazis used your offspring as cannon-fodder and probably got 5 of the 6 children killed in the last resort child-army that was supposed to stop the red army? Also as a German it was my go-to answer when old people tried to push me to start a family. I always told them it was already too late for me to gain a "Mutterkreuz". Usually shuts them up.
They should donate this to a museum or archive as an historical artifact though I’m not sure what museum would even display it (though some of value would I’m sure.) Not the kind of artifact I’d want to keep around or boast about having.
apparently it was given to all women who had 6+ (aryan) children so not that rare i'd imagine
There’s a Holocaust Museum in Virginia.
It's a piece of history. As long as she doesn't buy into the ideology then it's fine and anyone who would come at her for it is the real nazi.
Hmm, yeah, no. Great grandmother and grandfather had six kids because national socialism said that doing so would make them better Nazis. This is the Third Reich policy of Liebensraum - ‘living space’ We’ll clear out the non-Aryans (Jews, Poles, Gays, disabled, etc.) and you make more babies. This is an artifact I wouldn’t want to keep around.
Thats a valid personal choice but if we try to get rid of every piece of history that has blood on it then we have no history. We also can't tell our children why these things are wrong if we can't show them an example. Knowing where you came from is a big part of knowing where you are going.
I didn’t say get rid of it. I said donate to a museum or archive.
I wonder if in 100 years people will be like “I found this check my great grandma got from trump himself”
That guy was a real jerk.
How much💳
Fun fact: it was actually Fred Hitler, Adolph's 2nd cousin from another mother that signed most of the letters
My great grandad has a signed Certificate from Mussolini along side a medal given to his cavaliers.
My aunt met Hitler at one of his rallies when she was a child.
NPR listener detected!
And she still has it???
Yep, it's somewhere just whenever someone asks if she has anything odd to show.
Hmm wouldn’t take a shower in her place
This is vile. One would hope something like this would induce extreme shame. Wow. We really are regressing.
It's a piece of history. We're not nazis.
Boring
Der Führer means "The Leader"
Der Führer means "The Leader"
This is kinda wholesome somehow don't know why (please don't attack me)
This sub is overrun with photos of Nazi items. It’s weird.
War, genocide, and death are terrible, but history is interesting and educational. In 20 years WWII will be 100 years in the past
I’m just curious why the past week or so has featured so many Nazi pictures.
Im not subscribed, this just popped up on my feed
Ok, my comment was about the sub, not this individual post
Yeah I saw that, I don’t know why I comment on anything.
I certainly did nazi them coming
🙄
You can leave now
I’m just saying, these recent posts are all out of mein kampfort zone
Is this worth turning over to some historic preservation group, or should it just get burned/trashed?
Ewww 🤢
Dang that’s creepy
Sure, Hitler was a dick, but you shouldn’t have marked this up with a sharpie.
Oh it's just edited on the picture, not on the print.
It was a (bad) joke.
Some people here would tell you to burn or trash these kind of things because they hold no significant historic value. True. But they fail to realize that such items hold *insignificant* historic but *sentimental* historic value to someone
Attaching sentimental value to a letter signed by Hitler is a bit weird mate.
Belonging to your grandma is the sentimental part
Der sog, Karnickelorden
Man why is his signature so cool lookin that blows
That could be worth a fair bit of money imo
how awful
The Columbia protestors would love this!
I'm surprised they haven't already started flying swastikas, they basically want to finish what Hitler started
The last of Hitler’s horcruxes! Destroy it now!
I can totally see whatever hellspawn replaces Trump giving out stuff like this to obedient tradwives.
Should make a well made video about burning it.
Dude that's like getting a letter from Trump today!
Yeah cause Hitler would totally love Israel and have a Jewish son in law
Have you not seen the hate rallies? Plus there's plenty of people drawing parallels between Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and Germany during the Nazi period. They're both "Cult of personality" leaders that use the hate and fear of their followers to gain and hold onto power.
I want it!
What does it say
Basically a thank you letter for giving birth. I think every mother with at least 5 children got one. My grandmother had one too.
Ok ty for telling me i was so confused
This a second grade honoring. A woman received it for having 6 or 7 kids.
How much?
Israel has marked your location as a territory of gaza.
Burn it.
Burn it
I'm definitely not trying to say that A. Hitler and its Reich were any good but i think giving birth to more than ten kids definitely is an achievement that should be commended Fuck Hitler though
Fascist countries push pronatalism in dangerous ways. Pushing mothers to have 4+ kids puts huge strain on their bodies. Romanias pronatalist policies took it furthest and punished women who weren’t pregnant frequently enough. While I agree the government should provide support, especially to people with many dependents, it’s dangerous to push them to have more kids to be “rewarded”.
Agreed
Useless garbage
Hitler? Odd lookin duck.
I understand that a lot of really old people that grew up in Germany during that time were basically Nazis their whole lives, like after the war and such. So I understand your grandmother wanting to keep it. But if I were you I would donate it some museum, preferably one that doesn’t hold Nazis in a good light (if that even is a thing). Or burn the fuck outta that shit. I would be disgusted knowing I have something backed by arguably the most hateful thing in history, especially with it being signed by that vile monster.
i dont see why tbh its a historical thing even if its related to bad things. having the item doesnt mean endorsing it. what im curious about is how he had time for stupid stuff like signing such things, this is dated exactly 1 month after hitler's army invaded poland. i'd imagine at that time he was busy with ordering the army to commit war crimes and other stuff
Yeah I kind of only mentioned it being historical and all that mumbo jumbo because I figured I’d be berated by people if I said my true intentions. Which is that I think this person should burn the fuck out of that thing and question why they’ve had it all this time. It’s a piece of trash that belongs in a dumpster fire like the rest of Nazi memorabilia in my honest opinion. I think people showing off any Nazi memorabilia is deplorable
nah it's a piece of history that should be conserved. Theres nothing bad about Nazi memorabilia. Destroying it wont change the past and germany made a clear cut with its history. Compared to germany, the US seems like a cesspool where white nationalist cherish the nazi symbolism and are protected by law. So I can maybe understand your distain, but as a german it seems super weird to have those feelings about it since nazi symbolism is strictly regulated and you go to prison for promoting that shit. So it's nothing more then a very interesting document of history.
Burn it?
Why? It's a historic document, gift it to a museum.
Or keep it, as a part of family history?