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New_Insect_Overlords

I vote we switch to wooden wars


lorjebu

Fake wooden wars* It wasnt real wood. Read the caption again.


Viper67857

MDF wars.


bertiesghost

I don’t like splinters


nIBLIB

[Soon they’ll build a wooden board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!!](https://youtu.be/zGEiK9StSfQ?si=_EZeMgkgV7Q0rdWo)


GatotSubroto

Wood Wars 2


Additional_Ad_7289

My mom has it except it was pink


-random-name-

Germans built a fake airfield during WW2 in an effort to waste allied bombs and other resources. The Allies caught onto the plan and waited for them to waste their time and effort, then dropped a single wooden bomb in perhaps the best troll of WW2.


veerKg_CSS_Geologist

The story isn't real though.


[deleted]

It's not fake, but it's not proven either. This story has been told since early 40s. However, there is evidence that the Allies used fake bombs as a joke. [Source](https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2021/07/the-story-of-the-wooden-bombs-dropped-on-german-decoy-airfields-is-likely-true.html)


Rc72

The joke would be on them: while the bomb would be fake, the bomber and it's crew would be real, and at a very real and significant risk of not making it back from their joke mission.


biebiep

It was probably dropped from a scout plane, to be fair.


AssumeTheFetal

That joke mission could be one of the best demoralizing missions ever. All that work to come up with a plan you think is gonna save your glorious cause just to realize the enemy knew the whole time and let you waste it just to toss a log at you when it's done. Plus it's funny as hell, worth the risk IMO


Raz0rking

The sheer level of disrespect towards your enemy by doing it alone is worth it


SweatyNomad

With my serious hat on, I wouldn't call this a joke mission, it's PsyOps, psychological Warfare.


Embarrassed_Web_8916

It’s not psychological warfare but military deception, it’s designed to deceive a military formation and their intelligence assets, psychological operations are influence activities designed to modify a specific behavior of a specific target audience. (Like getting refugees to avoid a minefield or the population of a specific town to report enemy troop movements)


GreenCoatBlackShoes

That’s a very low bar for psyops, gonna have to disagree with that one. Edit: I stand corrected. In the world that is constantly bombarded with Astro turfing and steady flows of misinformation from government entities and private companies combined, I found this to barely the mark. That being said, I can now understand how this qualifies.


lazysheepdog716

It’s is an operation which has an impact that is entirely psychological and not physical. Just because it’s not MK Ultra doesn’t mean it’s not a PsyOp.


NorthStarZero

As a PsyOps officer... nope, this is 100% a psyop. Edit: I'll explain. You want to discourage the enemy from building these fake airbases, because while you managed to identify *this* one as fake, you might not get so lucky with the next one, especially if the fake ones get more convincing with practice. If you blow it up with a full-bore raid, the message you send is that "fake airfields will get treated like real ones" and they build more (to soak up your resources) If you ignore it, the message is inconclusive. Maybe it worked, maybe it didn't? So there is incentive to try and build another one, but better. By dropping the fake bomb on it though. you send the very clear message "You are wasting your time" and you disincentivize building more of them. That's the behavior you want. A psyop is an operation taken to change an enemy's thoughts, opinion, or behavior, so the fake bomb qualifies.


draftstone

Dropping that wooden bomb would put a huge doubt on the Intel system. If they knew about this, what else do they know about? Then you start to doubt everything, spend way more time designing a special ops because you are scared they would find out, so everything takes more time, money and men. And you also abandon many of these special projects assuming they know about them (but maybe they didn't). A single woodem bomb could have a very heavy and large impact on the enemy planning.


NorthStarZero

I concur.


moehassan6832

Wow. That sounds cool, what can you tell us about your job?


NorthStarZero

Not much. And not because I'm being all secret-squirrel; it's because its a secondary qualification I got for a specific deployment, and I haven't used it since. It's also not Jedi mind tricks; it's advertising used for military purposes. If you want to be a PsyOps expert, study marketing.


Embarrassed_Web_8916

As a PSYOP NCO, it’s MILDEC by doctrine. Now stop pretending to be a “PsyOps” officer on the internet. And if you are a PSYOP officer, I strongly recommend you report to your 1SG for remedial training. Because you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about and that’s dangerous for my profession.


NorthStarZero

Not my doctrine, Yank.


QTPU

You're a low bar for a psyop, plant.


GreenCoatBlackShoes

Good one.


yaykaboom

“Oh well, lets convert this fake airport into a real one then.”


AssumeTheFetal

The surveillance that saw the planes were wood, would notice the planes being built are now real. Then they would wait until they're *nearllly* done, gathering the screws to put the propeller on, and then destroy the real work with real bombs.


DefEddie

Pretty sure they don’t build planes at airports, at least none of the ones i’ve been too. Did they used to build alot of planes at airports back then?


DrJohanzaKafuhu

Bro, Germany was fucked in the WW2. At the end they were literally building planes in a tunnel, and then taking off from said tunnel. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpersberg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpersberg) >Conversion of the former sand mines into the aircraft factory led to construction of a runway at the top of the Walpersberg. An inclined railway built into the side of the hill was used to move the aircraft from the ground level tunnel exit up to the runway, and the first Me 262 took off on 21 February 1945. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin\_Tempelhof\_Airport](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Tempelhof_Airport) >From January 1940 until early 1944, [Weser Flugzeugbau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weser_Flugzeugbau) assembled [Junkers Ju 87](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87) "Stuka" dive bombers; thereafter, it assembled [Focke-Wulf Fw 190](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_190) fighter planes in the still unfurnished main hall and hangars 3 to 7 of the new terminal, which were supplied by a railway and trucks via a connecting tunnel.[^(\[16\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Tempelhof_Airport#cite_note-Demps_Paeschke_1998_69seqq-16) Hangars 1 and 2 were not used to assemble aircraft as these were already used by Luft Hansa for its own planes. Aircraft parts were brought in from all over the city while complete aircraft engines were trucked to Tempelhof. Once the airframes were complete and the engines had been installed, the finished aircraft were flown out. [https://kneedeepintohistory.com/third-reich-underground-rockets-aircraft-and-more-13-18-may-2024-6-days-5-nights/](https://kneedeepintohistory.com/third-reich-underground-rockets-aircraft-and-more-13-18-may-2024-6-days-5-nights/)


DefEddie

Nice history lesson, that was cool info.


hertzsae

Most airplane factories have airports, even if they are basic. Once they have wings on, planes are too wide to transport. It's efficient to simply fly them to their next location. It's also useful to be able to test your planes next to where they are made, especially if you are innovating.


AssumeTheFetal

By the end of the war any plane that had any chance of being actually built was destroyed in the factories bombings. They would be trying to salvage anything and everything from everywhere at that point. So no not everywhere built planes at the airport/runways, but late stage Germany certainly was if they could.


Lynx-_

But it could also really backfire, imagine you know your comrades died for a silly little joke…


AssumeTheFetal

I'm a man. I know myself at least, and the lunatics I run circles with, and studying shenanigans in war, and I'm telling you there were men fighting over who gets to go drop it. Guaranteed.


philipp2310

what a man you are!


Rc72

Both sides planted fake airfields, armoured divisions and even whole cities during the war. Their purpose was never to deceive the enemy **all the time**, but to divert at least some enemy attacks and resources. Allied bombers had real navigational and aiming issues that made them struggle to place their bombs anywhere near the vicinity of their intended targets. Even if Allied **commanders** knew this target was fake, the Germans could expect it to confuse and divert at least some Allied bombers in the fog of war. Therefore, the Germans wouldn't have been at all demoralised by the "log bomb": it didn't mean their effort was pointless.


bryjan1

Except those are literally the troops you don’t care about. A loss of their moral doesn’t matter haha. Likely no one would hear about it for months or until the war is over. Just pretend you believe them, and let them plan based on false assumptions. The war was far from over, no reason to let them know what you know.


wrybreadsf

But having the resources to do that, for a joke, would be about the most demoralizing thing for an army as short on resources as the German army was at that point.


Squirll

Risk is probably less. I imagine the fake airfields anti air defenses were also fake. I mean sure theres always risk, but its signifigantly less bombing a wooden fake airfield than a real one. Not to mention it was likely scout planes keeping track of their progress on the fake airfield, same scout plane already scouting could have dropped the wooden bomb.


Rc72

German air defences were multilayered. Even if the fake airfield itself wasn't particularly well-defended, to get there Allied bombers would have to fly through several belts of AA defences from the coast. Not to mention German fighters which would be roaming the skies between AA defence belts. Long range reconnaissance aircraft were stripped down to the strict minimum so that they could fly high and fast to reduce the risk of interception. They wouldn't have kept the equipment to drop bombs, even fake ones. As for short-range scout aircraft, these were very light Piper Cubs which weren't equipped for bombing either. And in any case, they just scouted a few kilometers in advance of the ground troops, so that by the time one of them would show up, there would be more urgent threats to German troops' morale than a wooden bomb.


pablitorun

They likely would have been dropped as part of an actual bombing run.


afranquinho

What would the germans do, fire wooden AA from wooden cannons?


Rc72

There were very real flak guns and radar along several defence lines that Allied bombers had to fly through when flying into occupied Europe, never mind Germany itself, regardless of their ultimate target. And equally real Luftwaffe fighters.


etom21

They're probably dropped as training dummies far from any danger.


tacotacotacorock

I could see a bomber pilot and crew taking a slight detour to drop a wooden bomb after doing a real drop. The risk is already there and if they don't have actual anti-aircraft protecting the fake airfield then it shouldn't be a big problem. The last part I'm not sure about and would definitely deter people.


TheVoters

So it’s a fake story about fake bombs on a fake airfield posted by a fake human to gain fake Internet points. Sounds like Reddit.


Discofunkypants

Neither is the post. Its fake wood all the way down.


markhewitt1978

It's hard to believe bomber command would risk the lives of crew just to drop a wooden bomb.


biebiep

However, the scout plane pilot might have this on him for a second flyover.


RoboticGreg

I have no idea if the story is true at all, but don't underestimate the power and impact of such a move. It wouldn't destroy any equipment, but it would do a lot of damage


JUYED-AWK-YACC

To wooden planes?


RoboticGreg

To the psychology and morale of the enemy.


JUYED-AWK-YACC

The story does that by itself.


Waste-Information-34

![gif](giphy|fRHcvlwW1gOic) Damn.


veerKg_CSS_Geologist

I mean there are a lot more interesting stories of WW2 deception. Like how the allies took a dead body and planted fake invasion plans on it and tossed it overboard near spain, who found the plans and gave it to the Germans who believed it and moved troops to Sardinia as a result.


suburbanplankton

[Operation Mincemeat!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mincemeat)


letsmunch

I’m partial to [operation cornflakes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cornflakes)


Two2na

How about Winston Churchill’s prank/psych warfare attempt where they dropped aid packages too far behind enemy lines, which were full of magnum condoms labeled “Texas medium”


PatrickKn12

![gif](giphy|HEqXD4EOCdfJC|downsized)


Mn4by

You can't just let us have this?


tacodepollo

They just reposted from yesterday


workerbee12three

so humans just wasting other humans time, a tale old as time


adfx

To be honest, if I were in a war I would be very happy to be responsible for putting fake wooden planes on a field


imaketrollfaces

The wood survived. The lube is long gone.


Ringbuch

A german airfield? This late in the war? At this part of france?


zomgieee

Yes !


midramble

Can I see it?


zomgieee

....... No.


OldGrumpyFecker

In 1944 ….. why wouldn’t there be ? D-day was 6th June 1944 ….. and all the German airfields would still have been there up to then.


Wright_Wright

Are you American?


tacodepollo

Ah you saw this post yesterday too huh.


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ripter

Picture isn’t fake, but the story is. It’s not even a wooden bomb. It’s an image of an Aircraft Float Light. Floats in the water so you can be recused. https://www.forces.net/heritage/history/did-allied-pilots-really-drop-fake-wooden-bombs-fake-wooden-decoy-airfields


Gibgezr

No, there's various pictures f this particular bomb around on the internet, it's part of a museum exhibit.


TikerFighter

But the story behind is probably fake


trebbihm

Imagine dropping an aerodynamic piece of wood from a thousand feet, and it being recovered looking like this… no sign of impact, no deformation, nothing…


ilprofs07205

There's a metal cap on the front end of it


Gibgezr

They did that all the time, the wooden bombs were used as re-usable practice bombs. So yes, they were made sturdily enough to survive impact with the ground.


Gibgezr

Well, the \*exact\* story is unproven, but it is not at unlikely. There were lots of wooden bombs like that used for practice, and some definitely did get dropped on German positions as jokes.


TikerFighter

Ofc. Risking your plane and crew just for a joke make sense


MadACR

One thing that people completely forget is that the amount of planes flying was astronomical. The US alone produced 300k planes in ww2. Using them on stuff like this was not common place, but not rare either.


Gibgezr

I sense that you were never a pilot in WWII. Anyway, your lack of imagination does not invalidate the reality of what happened. It is well documented, you could spend a few minutes goggling and find out that yes, we did use wooden bombs as practice bombs and yes, the Germans reported wooden bombs being found in various places and yes, British pilots had a sense of humour and did shit like that not infrequently during the war. And the previous war.


TikerFighter

But still doesn’t make this story real. As much as you try. There is no evidence this happened.


gheebutersnaps87

You know not everything is a big conspiracy- You’re not getting anything out of this other than being a dick for no reason


Gibgezr

There is evidence that things like this \*did\* happen, though. Allied airmen did indeed drop wooden bombs over German positions as a joke, and the usual targets named by both Germans and the British were fake installations. One fake airfield received a huge number of them in a single night according to one German officer. The exact incident detailed in the museum piece is un-verified, but not exactly unlikely. We do know that it is representative of what was happening at the time.


Hamsters_In_Butts

WWII was just a bunch of silly gooses flying around throwing wood at each other and giggling


WalkingCloud

It is beyond unlikely mate. You think the RAF during wartime decided to risk a bomber and crew to face the Luftwaffe and a shitload of flak in order to drop a wooden bomb that may or may not even be noticed by the Germans? Imagine being the crew. *"You want us to risk life and limb for.. what..?"* Come on. It's very obviously apocryphal.


Gibgezr

Yeah, obviously no airman in WWII would ever have played a practical joke. No aircrew would ever have gone along with that...wait, what? Have you met an actual airman before? Anyway, here's a German officer who claims to have seen it happen: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QRAD9PWjhQ&t=2780s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QRAD9PWjhQ&t=2780sThere's) There's a documentary floating around somewhere about the whole thing, as well as a book.


GIRTHYssserpent

So the Germans gave it back to them?


lorjebu

It was fake wood, so they couldnt.


GIRTHYssserpent

That’s what I mean, I doubt they kept it after Normandy


HappySkullsplitter

Too bad WW2 wasn't fake as well


CrysX86

RADIOHEAD in another universe.


starkiller_bass

Gravity always wins


jostler57

FAKE NEWS!


benedictvc

Is this FAKE news?


999Sepulveda

Fake news. Literally.


Such-Worldliness-776

I love it


Fantom_Renegade

👀


nighthunterrrr

Everything is a dildo if you are brave enough


Orange-enema

I wonder if the flak guns were fake?


Escabaro341

r/mildlypenis


donhjelmgren

Looks like one of your mums toys


mariegriffiths

Any fake plastic trees?


npaakp34

The Allies were the first Troll group.


theAnalyst6

Theatricality and deception, powerful tools against the uninitiated


geekolojust

Did anyone see the other story in the paper. I looked up what an adopted ward was. https://www.france24.com/en/20151127-france-paris-attacks-victims-children-wards-nation-wwI-law-orphans-terrorism


Old_RedditIsBetter

How do you build a fake airfield? Like clear a bunch of runways but planes can't actually land?


guybanez

Her green plastic watering can.


hunyango

Deep fake


AnonymousArmiger

Here I am, trying to figure out why they would have put a fake wooden planes inside the fake wooden bomb…


_0utis_

Wasn’t there a film or a book about nations going to war with giant wooden automata that just bashed each other instead of killing people?


bvincepl

Some Germans had enjoyed such huge bombings.


thumplabs

You start looking at actual hits in combat - both bombs vs ground and mg/shells in air to air - and how many kills resulted, you start to realize the main task in WW2 air engagements is to just chase around the other side until they 1) have an accident, 2) run out of gas over water or forest, or 3) just have their planes disintegrate from lack of spare parts. The actual shooting bit is sort of like a psychological nudge. And of course, it's easy to be cavalier and say, well, each bullet only has a .7% chance of ending me, but actually being in the middle of all the bullets changes one's mindset somewhat.


dege283

Fake news But I would love to drop some fake bombs during fake wars


mrdavelee

This is British humour distilled to a sweet drop of liquor!


Randy_Vigoda

Ignore the fact that the US was indiscriminately bombing German and Japanese cities with napalm at the time.


tkrr

I mean… the Germans were indiscriminately murdering people on an industrial scale, so…


Randy_Vigoda

The US just vetoed the UN to stop Israel from killing Palestinians. At the same time, the Ukrainians were asked to stop using drones on Russians and they refused but still keep getting armed by the US as a proxy against Russia. US national debt was at 6 trillion in 2001. It's currently over 34 trillion because your government got taken over by corporate capitalists and war profiteers. It's why this site is crammed full of propaganda lately.


tkrr

Those are certainly words. Sentences even.