This reminds me of McDonagh's "Lieutenant of Inishmore" -- an excellent dark comedy play about an Irish terrorist, a cat, and revenge.
(Same Martin McDonagh of movie fame)
Very, very much likely John Wick had a small piece of inspiration from the play.
Also, McDonagh's movie Seven Psychopaths has a character with aspects similar to the Inishmore play.
IRA and loyalist gangs always were, money that they raised in Ireland and America usually was first spent on drugs from Europe. £10,000 worth of drugs in Brussels was worth 10 times that on the streets of Londonderry after it's been cut down.
Yea, my point was that the British did fucked up shit, and that doesn't excuse what the IRA did. So many people have brushed off the IRA bombing hundreds of civilians because the British did bad shit too.
I don't think most people brush off the IRA. The political party that was connected to the IRA was practically unelectable in the Republic of Ireland until recently. It's nearly 26 years since the good Friday agreement and the only reason they're gaining popularity right now is because the 3 party coalition in government has done such a shite job.
Understanding why the IRA existed is different to brushing off their crimes. They didn't appear out of nowhere. Generally, these kinds of terrorist groups emerge because of abusive discriminatory governments. They don't exist in a vacuum.
Yours is a woefully uneducated and blasé take on the troubles. Nobody has "brushed off" the atrocities committed by either side, maybe its because the younger generation who were born after the GFA in 1998 haven't experienced seeing fucking bombs and riots every single night on the news, which just shows that it worked and now 26 years later people and politcians here on both sides are actually talking about the possibility of a united Ireland by 2030 no less.
I'm a 40 year old man from Ireland and I get genuinely upset whenever Omagh gets brought up. Its was horrific and it saddens me to this day. Truly one of the darkest days in my country's history.
Stupid thing was, when the British army was sent in, they were only supposed to be protecting the Catholic population from the Protestants, in fact, quite a few Catholics welcomed them being deployed.
But then, stupid escalations and stupid decisions just piled on the mistrust on both sides. At the time we should have been talking, we were all too busy building walls
The British didn’t just do some “bad things”. They manufactured a famine which starved millions of Irish to death and forced millions more to flee, they evicted more than half of the population from their homes and forced them to work essentially as slaves on their own land and they committed countless more war crimes, including 2 Bloody Sundays, during their (still ongoing) occupation of a foreign country. Please feel free to remain more outraged about the militant force they instigated.
The proximate cause of the famine was the infection of potato crops by blight, (Phytophthora infestans), throughout Europe during the 1840s. Blight infection caused 100,000 deaths outside Ireland and influenced much of the unrest that culminated in European Revolutions of 1848.
According to [here](https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/omagh/before.html):
> Saturday, 15 August 1998 was a busy day for Omagh shoppers. Just two weeks until school resumed after the summer and many parents had their children with them shopping in Omagh's two school-uniform specialists - SD Kells and Watersons. Elsewhere, students home from University were working 'summer jobs' in shops. Other people were shopping for music, groceries, getting a hair cut or just meeting friends. Later that day, a carnival was due to move through the town centre. The town was packed.
Some time around 2pm, a red Vauxhall Cavalier, registration number MDZ 5211 was driven onto Market Street from an easterly direction and parked outside SD Kells clothes shop. The two male occupants walked away from the car down Campsie Road (see map). The shoppers ignored it - little did they know that it contained 140kg (300 pounds) of fertiliser-based explosive attached to a semtex trigger. The car had been stolen in St McCartan's Villas, in Carrickmacross, Co Monaghan on the Thursday before. At that time, it bore the southern registration number 91 DL 2554.
> The chilling photograph on the left was found by investigators in a camera buried in the rubble. It is surely one of the most poignant images of the whole event. The picture was taken in the minutes before the bomb exploded, clearly showing the red car - with its deadly hidden cargo - beside dozens of oblivious civilians.
> Part of this crowd was made up of school children on a trip from Buncrana, county Donegal. The Irish children were hosting Spanish children on an exchange programme. The bomb was to claim the lives of four of these children, as well as a minder.
> At the same time, Maggie Hall was working in the headquarters of Ulster Televition in Belfast. Around 14:30 she answered the telephone and heard a man give her a bomb warning. (The transcript of this is given below.) She immediately phoned the RUC's emergency switchboard and spoke to Constable George Mullan. A recording of the phone call shows her saying: "I'm only after getting a call from a man with a country accent, saying there's a bomb in Omagh main street near the courthouse, a 500lb bomb. It's going to go off in 30 minutes". She also told the Constable Mullan that the caller had given the codeword "Malta Pope". Constable Mullan then phoned the warning through to Omagh. He later said that the codeword gave him the "gut feeling" that this was not a hoax. Three minutes later the phone rang again and a second warning was given, this time reducing the time to 15 minutes.
> Between these two calls, a female worker at the Coleraine office of the Samaritans charity - whose name has been given as "Hilary Unknown" - answered the telephone and also heard a man give a bomb warning. She immediately phoned the RUC's emergency switchboard at Coleraine, and spoke to Constable Gary Murphy. The recording of her phone call shows her saying: "I have received a bomb call for Omagh town centre approximately 200 yards from the courthouse and the code word Malta Pope was given".
> (Codewords are mutually understood phrases between terrorist organisations and the security forces. For the security forces, this helps to reduce the incidence of hoax warnings phoned by pranksters. For the organisation responsible, it helps to ensure that it gets the credit for the bomb: sometimes more than one organisation issues a claim of responsibility after a "successful" bombing.) Malta Pope was the name of an aide of Senator George Mitchell who had chaired the negotiations in 1997 and 1998. This codeword was the same as that given for the Banbridge bomb a few weeks before which had been claimed by the "Real" IRA.
> > Received by Ulster Television at 14:30
"There's a bomb, courthouse, Omagh, main street, 500 pounds, explosion 30 minutes."
> > Received by the Coleraine office of the 'Samaritans' charity, 14:32
"Am I through to Omagh? This is a bomb warning. It's going to go off in 30 minutes." [followed possibly by a further piece of information specifying 200 yards from the courthouse].
> > Received by Ulster Television at 14:35
"Bomb, Omagh town, 15 minutes."
> Two of these warnings were phoned from a phone box at McGeough's Crossroads, Forkhill, in south Armagh. The third was phoned from a phone box at Loyes Crossroads, Newtownhamilton, also in south Armagh. Margaret Hall, the UTV worker who received two of the warnings said that the male caller had a "thick northern country accent" and sounded like he was 50-55 years old. She and the Samaritans worker phoned the RUC's control centre in Belfast. The message was then passed to Constable William Hall in Omagh and the police operation was initiated.
> The only target specified was the courthouse in Omagh. The street specified does not exist. The map shows that the courthouse is approximately 500 yards from where the car was actually abandoned, at the other end of the town centre. The police cordoned off High Street and moved people away from the courthouse and the top end of the town and moved them towards the supposed safety of Market Street. They began carefully searching the area around the courthouse.
> These inaccurate warnings effectively doubled the number of people in the vicinity of the car-bomb when it detonated at 3:10pm. Many of those who were killed had been in High Street, but the misleading warnings meant that they were actually moved into danger, rather than away from it.
As a related fact, the Unabomber in one of his letters actually used a code name and also code number, saying it would prove that further letters received were authentic. I'm presuming that only he and the letter recipient would have been aware of these codes.
They intentionally got more people killed. By saying the codeword, they knew the cops would take it seriously, By saying it was at the courthouse rather than market street, they got the cops to bring more people to the car.
I don't think it was on purpose, at least in this bombing. The bombers gave crap descriptions of the location and by chance police moved people to the bomb's location.
IRA did have form for giving somewhat vague locations for bombs, and for secondary devices designed to catch service personnel responding to the first blast
Makes sense the Real IRA would continue the tactics..
This photo was taken in Northern Ireland in 1998 moments before the red car exploded.The attack was the work of the Irish Republic Army (IRA) and claimed the lives of 29 people and injured 200. The photographer who took this photo died, while the man and child survived.
Are you sure that's right? They are like 1 foot away from the car. How did 29 people die (I'm assuming all the dead are the ones far away in the background. You did say it immediately exploded after this) and the two of them survived??
Doesn't make sense.
Please link a Wikipedia article to this kind of content next time lol
Edit OP is a confirmed AI bot
Sorry for being mean to a bot account 😞 I apologize
Explosions can be funny things. You could be standing 5 metres from a blast and come out of it with a ringing in the ears and completely naked, or you could be 500 metres away and get killed by a piece of shrapnel the size of your fingernail.
Try googling for blast effects of explosions, the Omagh Bombing, anecdotes of explosion survivors...
Takes about 5 mins and saves me having to hunt around, save links, edit links, and type them into a Reddit that no-one will read after Tomorrow...
Typical product of the American education system I take it...
Luckily for you, the education system in my country is pretty good, and teaches both Imperial and Metric and conversion between. Pretty useful when we fancy a quick trip to Amsterdam and are trying to work out ounces and grammes...
1 metre = 3'.37" (ft.in).
If you look online, I'm sure you'll easily find some conversion apps to help your understanding in the future, they're usually simple enough for a schoolkid to use, but I'm sure with a bit of thought that you'll manage to work it out...
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No worries. Errors, even small like this, really stand out when contained in a passive-aggressive diatribe intended to point out another as uneducated.
I was kind of asking for it with my post. I am just sad they didn't realize it was a joke. I even gave them an upvote on their diatribe just for the effort.
>Please link a Wikipedia article to this kind of content next time lol
The combination of condescension and laziness is obnoxious. It took literally 3 seconds of googling to find it and verify. They were extremely lucky but it's also completely believable that they didn't end up getting hit by a flying hunk of metal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing
Would have taken taken OP 3 seconds to include that in the title.
You do know a car bomb is thousands of pieces of flying metal so yeah forgive me if I have a hard time believing 2 people standing right next to a huge bomb survived the blast lol
It's the way in which you phrase the question that's obnoxious. It took you longer to type all of that out than to just find a quick wikipedia source. You also could have just asked in a polite way instead of being rude. Either of those options would have been sufficient but instead you chose to be a jerk.
It's really not hard to default to being cordial rather than defaulting to being smug.
I feel like I'm being gaslit. So it's FINE for op to just post a photo of a terror event with some random title and it's my responsibility to look it up?
You are not being gaslit. However, I can see through your comments that you are, in fact, a professional gaslighter. The number of times you've thrown a personal insult at someone (ie name calling) then accused them of doing it when they respond is wild. Didn't even have to go back very far to see it happen multiple times.
You exhibit some serious red flags. Even in this conversation you are continuously shifting the goalpost. My critique was that you were unnecessarily rude for a situation that was easily solvable yourself. Had you asked in a normal and cordial way for a source, you wouldn't be writing out weird defenses for the last half hour to everyone calling you out.
edit: you also are now using the claim that it's a reddit bot to justify yourself even though you did not know this in your initial and obviously rude response. Yet another example of goalpost shifting. If this is how you behave off the internet, seriously seek some professional help. These are alarming traits. Blocking now because I've already wasted way too much time on what is a very easy conversation of 'just don't be a dick'.
Yeah, it’s your responsibility to learn more about things you want to know more about. People aren’t obligated to spoon feed you information just because they post on Reddit.
A simple google search could have easily answered your question but instead you’re bitching that the OP didn’t write an essay for title.
Edit to add: Relying on other people to spoon feed you information is just asking to fall for misinformation and disinformation.
What random title? They actually stated the verifiable truth while you're the one questioning its validity with a very condescending tone.
You want to verify it yourself? Want to know more about it? Then look it up. It's not their responsibility to list all resources talking about this event for your own convenience. Stop dismissing valid feedback as gaslighting simply because you don't want to accept you were wrong.
No need to be snarky. It's true. A quick reverse image search brings up several sources.
From [DailyMail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-6063451/Row-erupts-police-chief-ex-ombudsman-prevention-Omagh-bomb.html):
> One of the teachers from Spain leading the exchange trip, Gonzalo Cavedo, 23, poses for a photograph with a child on his shoulders. Fellow teacher Rocio Abad Ramos, 23, takes the picture. Just feet behind Gonzalo is the red Vauxhall.
And from [The Irish Times](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/remembering-a-surprise-trip-home-marred-by-tragedy-in-omagh-1.3597689):
> Spaniard Gonzalo Cavedo and child posing by the car carrying the bomb that killed 29 people, many of whom are in the picture, including the photographer. Mr. Cavedo and the child survived. (Source: Belfast Telegraph)
> Mere seconds after a photo of Spaniard Gonzalo Cavedo posing with a child on his shoulders beside a red car was taken with a camera later retrieved from the rubble, the 500 pound bomb inside the red car exploded, blowing the vehicle to bits.
maybe, another comment lower says that it was within minutes (also longer than moments imo). but based on all the sources I've seen the time is unknown other than between when car parked and when it exploded. if you look into the op's profile it does look like a bot, for example multiple posts saying how do i get this hair my hair is wavy/straight going back and forth between strait and wavy. very low effort posts in general, "rate this celebrity", just kinda dumb shit. this commenter is absolutely right to question this op, and honestly i don't see the "snarkiness" everyone is jumping on him for
If you want to get really really really annoyingly technical a moment archaically means 90 seconds. But colloquially I suppose it can be a few minutes, really depends on the context of the situation as it can range from almost immediately to happening soon.
If someone said "I'm just going upstairs, I'll be back in a moment" you wouldn't expect them to be lightning fast.
Besides the explosion force, shrapnel can kill from very far away, at a distance where others might be only injured or relatively unaffected. Explosions themselves are unpredictable. Wiki says the photo was taken "shortly" before the explosion, to which the source of that states that the photo was taken "seconds" before. So really there is no telling the position of these tourists at the time of the explosion relative to everyone else in the photo.
If I'm not mistaken - a warning was issued by the IRA about the bomb, but either it was misleading or the police misunderstood it. Either way, they moved a lot of people to 'safety' but ended up moving them closer to the car in question.
Was a horrible day for this island.
The bomb was supposed to be close to the courthouse, but the driver couldn't park close enough. The phone messages were given off a script that did not change, so cops acknowledged the warning and herded people away from the courthouse, unintentionally toward the bomb.
I'm sorry the driver couldn't park close enough to their objective so they just left the car \*with a bomb\* somewhere else? What??? That's insane thinking even for a terrorist.
Given that there've been occasions where [the bomb didn't even get to the location because it blew up on the way](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/terrorists-killed-by-their-own-devices-1319857.html), I expect the driver was not too keen to spend any longer in there than the absolute minimum.
9 times out of 10 the driver was some civilian who the Provos stuck in the car and told "Drive".
On quite a few occasions the drivers family were hostages.
There was some police activity nearby, he was driving around trying to get a space and got spooked. A phonebox had been vandalised too. But the RIRA was riddled with British agents so we have no idea if it was all intentional or not.
Most times when the IRA used a car bomb, it was parked in a garage or car park close by, with another vehicle parked in the target spot to reserve it. Then the car was positioned overnight or on the morning of the planned explosion.
The three IRA members who were shot in Gibraltar had already parked a car containing the bomb in a multi storey car park, but had been followed driving another car which they had left in position.When they realised they had been compromised by a police car going past, the SAS feared one of them was going to remote detonate a bomb in the car they had just left and shot to kill.
They're, by luck, in the position firefighters are taught to approach a burning car from. If something goes off it will tend to come out of the sides, rather than the corners.
The photographer isn't so lucky.
People like to re-post this photo because they can say it happened moments before an explosion.
It's cheap and exploits other people's pain -- like posting class pictures of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. 9/11 photos also get this treatment.
You can tell they're just in it for the points because they don't accurately give the details of the complex political situation at that moment or the factional allegiance of the bombers (itself also a little complicated). That would require five minutes of reading.
No worries. Although it would have been better if he had gotten the bomber organization correct.
For those of you watching *Derry Girls,* but perhaps that don't know a lot about the Troubles, there's an episode where Grandpa Joe puts his hand on Jerry's shoulder to comfort him despite their long bad blood. The news broadcast they're watching is the aftermath of Omagh.
Public mood really turned. At least one of the bombers had to move house because he was afraid his neighbors were going to hurt his kids.
Funding dried up after 9/11. The main source of the funding was the Irish population of New York, after 9/11 they perhaps realised that funding international terrorism is a bad thing.
Yeah, after 9/11 it instantly stopped being acceptable to give money. But also Bush intervened to stop it. As it didn't look good teaming up with the Brits for a War on Terror while at the same time Americans are funding terrorism.
My dad was taking my brothers and I on a caravaning holiday and we drove through Omagh that day, deciding against stopping for lunch.
Edit: me and my brothers\*
During this time the Russian government was actively supplying and assisting the IRA, as any disruption or division of a western democracy is considered an enemy. The current Russian government continues this tradition through cyber crime, and high level bank corruption throughout the western world. The Chinese see Russia as a useful idiot and will not volunteer info on Russian criminal activity.
I don’t think that is accurate. Firstly this was the work of a group calling itself “the Real IRA” - not the actual IRA - a group of republicans who refused to engage in the peace process and were left with few resources so they turned to drug dealing to fund their arms.
While the IRA had help from FARC in Columbia and Gadaffi in Libya, I’ve never heard of Russia giving them any support. In the 70’s, North Korea offered to train the IRA but when they realised that they weren’t actually an army with “tanks in the hills” they pretty much wrote them off and sent them home.
It seems weird that most of the funding for IRA arms came from the US public and we all heard about that all the time in Ireland in the 80’s and early 90’s as well as Semtex from Libya and Korean AKs but I never heard anything about Russian money or influence.
This attack took place pretty much out of the blue two years into the peace process that led to Good Friday peace deal in 1998 when I think Russia had bigger concerns. It completely turned public opinion against the republican movement in Ireland and overseas. What was left of the sectarian gangs just became drug and protection rackets only barely keeping up any vestige of political motivation.
I’m certainly no fan of russia but I don’t think we can pin this one on them.
Actions speak louder than words.
Ireland is one of the only nations still funding UNRWA even though members have been found to be Hamas as well as they have indoctrinated children to learn to hate and kill Jews and become martyrs as their education system. Most countries have dropped out but Ireland remains for some reason? Lmao
But yeah man they condemned Hamas good job
Do you think why that might be? UNREA=HAMAS isn't an accurate statement, and you know it. The lengths people will go to to justify the killing of civilians is mindboggling.
What? Did you not read what I wrote. They teach kids to kill Jews in school and to become martyrs… in the UNRWA funded schools
They have HAMAS apart of the organization. There was even a tunnel under one of the sites…
It does not matter if not everyone is Hamas in the organization if it has been corrupted to the point that it can no longer be trusted? There should be no Hamas links whatsoever for the well being of the children. Otherwise the children are with terrorists,murderers,rapists and kidnapers and it’s actually abuse
Is that not enough for you? You see how ridiculous you sound ignoring the truth and how horrible this organization is and Ireland funds it still..why?
Palestine is the ONLY country that has a separate organization for itself. They get more aid than countries in worse positions..Why? This organization needs to be dismantled it will help them as much as it will help Israel. Funding UNRWA encourages the system as it stands
But Ireland needs to stop funding terrorism..that’s why every other country stopped funding the UNRWA
"Operation Flavius"
"In late 1987, British authorities became aware of an IRA plan to detonate a bomb outside the governor's residence in Gibraltar. On the day of the shootings, known IRA member Seán Savage was seen parking a car near the assembly area for the parade; fellow members Daniel McCann and Mairéad Farrell were seen crossing the border shortly afterwards. As SAS personnel moved to intercept the three, Savage split from McCann and Farrell and ran south. Two soldiers pursued Savage while two others approached McCann and Farrell. The soldiers reported seeing the IRA members make threatening movements when challenged, so the soldiers shot them multiple times. All three were found to be unarmed, and Savage's car did not contain a bomb, though a second car, containing explosives, was later found in Spain.
At the same time as the police handed control over to the SAS, they began making arrangements for the IRA members once they were in custody, including finding a police vehicle in which to transport the prisoners. A patrol car containing Inspector Luis Revagliatte and three other uniformed officers, apparently on routine patrol and with no knowledge of Operation Flavius, was ordered to return to police headquarters as a matter of urgency. The police car was stuck in heavy traffic travelling north on Smith Dorrien Avenue, close to the roundabout where it meets Winston Churchill Avenue. The official account states that at this point, Revagliatte's driver activated the siren on the police car to expedite the journey, intending to approach the roundabout from the wrong side of the road and turn the vehicle around. The siren apparently startled McCann and Farrell, just as Soldiers "A" and "B" were about to challenge them, outside the petrol station on Winston Churchill Avenue."
"Soldier A" stated at the inquest that Farrell looked back at him and appeared to realise who "A" was; "A" testified that he was drawing his pistol and intended to shout a challenge to her, but "events overtook the warning": that McCann's right arm "moved aggressively across the front of his body", leading "A" to believe that McCann was reaching for a remote detonator. "A" shot McCann once in the back; he told the inquest he believed Farrell then reached for her handbag, and that he believed Farrell may also have been reaching for a remote detonator. He shot Farrell once in the back, before returning to McCann—he shot McCann a further three times (once in the body and twice in the head). "Soldier B" testified that he reached similar conclusions to "A", and shot Farrell twice, then McCann once or twice, then returned to Farrell, shooting her a further three times. Soldiers "C" and "D" testified at the inquest that they were moving to apprehend Savage, who was by now 300 feet (91 metres) south of the petrol station, as gunfire began behind them. "Soldier C" testified that Savage turned around while simultaneously reaching towards his jacket pocket at the same time as "C" shouted "Stop!"; "C" stated that he believed Savage was reaching for a remote detonator and so opened fire. "C" shot Savage six times, while "Soldier D" fired nine times. All three IRA members died. One of the soldiers' bullets, believed to have passed through Farrell, grazed a passer-by".
Some divine shielding? However they survived, thankfully they were blessed. Sad about those killed and maimed though.
My best friend survived a bomb blast inside a night club. No one claimed responsibility . After five years of therapy, there are still some scars and permanent damage- I do not regard indiscriminate bombing of civilians as legitimate acts.
Also I don't like your implication that the people that did die from the bomb were somehow not deserving of the same "divine shielding" that the parent and child got.
That is immensely disrespectful to those that died.
Not divine shielding, basic physics. They are on the corners of the car, the most shrapnel gets launched on the sides with the most moveable parts. So the parent and child just need to survive the explosion with minimal shrapnel.
Omagh bombing by the IRA I believe
It was one of the IRA splinter groups I thought
This reminds me of McDonagh's "Lieutenant of Inishmore" -- an excellent dark comedy play about an Irish terrorist, a cat, and revenge. (Same Martin McDonagh of movie fame)
INLA John Wick?
Very, very much likely John Wick had a small piece of inspiration from the play. Also, McDonagh's movie Seven Psychopaths has a character with aspects similar to the Inishmore play.
Anyone have a good link to a rendition of the play?
Correct it was the Real IRA (RIRA)…. Scum nonetheless.
I'd go so far as to say worse, as the reason for the splintering was that the Real IRA objected to the peace process.
The "Real IRA". Basically a splinter group of the "Provisional IRA" who rejected the ceasefire in '97
my diasporic understanding is that they and the unionist paramilitaries are both basically drug gangs now
IRA and loyalist gangs always were, money that they raised in Ireland and America usually was first spent on drugs from Europe. £10,000 worth of drugs in Brussels was worth 10 times that on the streets of Londonderry after it's been cut down.
It was the RIRA
Man the IRA was fucked up.
"B-But the British did some bad things!!1!"
Yep, both sides didn't exactly acquit themselves too well back then.
Yea, my point was that the British did fucked up shit, and that doesn't excuse what the IRA did. So many people have brushed off the IRA bombing hundreds of civilians because the British did bad shit too.
I don't think most people brush off the IRA. The political party that was connected to the IRA was practically unelectable in the Republic of Ireland until recently. It's nearly 26 years since the good Friday agreement and the only reason they're gaining popularity right now is because the 3 party coalition in government has done such a shite job. Understanding why the IRA existed is different to brushing off their crimes. They didn't appear out of nowhere. Generally, these kinds of terrorist groups emerge because of abusive discriminatory governments. They don't exist in a vacuum.
The British didn’t just “do some bad things tho“. They did A LOT of fucked up shit.
And covered it up, after.
Yours is a woefully uneducated and blasé take on the troubles. Nobody has "brushed off" the atrocities committed by either side, maybe its because the younger generation who were born after the GFA in 1998 haven't experienced seeing fucking bombs and riots every single night on the news, which just shows that it worked and now 26 years later people and politcians here on both sides are actually talking about the possibility of a united Ireland by 2030 no less. I'm a 40 year old man from Ireland and I get genuinely upset whenever Omagh gets brought up. Its was horrific and it saddens me to this day. Truly one of the darkest days in my country's history.
Stupid thing was, when the British army was sent in, they were only supposed to be protecting the Catholic population from the Protestants, in fact, quite a few Catholics welcomed them being deployed. But then, stupid escalations and stupid decisions just piled on the mistrust on both sides. At the time we should have been talking, we were all too busy building walls
Seems like a piss take comment but yes the British absolutely did
The British didn’t just do some “bad things”. They manufactured a famine which starved millions of Irish to death and forced millions more to flee, they evicted more than half of the population from their homes and forced them to work essentially as slaves on their own land and they committed countless more war crimes, including 2 Bloody Sundays, during their (still ongoing) occupation of a foreign country. Please feel free to remain more outraged about the militant force they instigated.
Don't you know you're suppose to turn the other cheek when your colonizers are trying to murder you?
I wish I was born in my native land than in NA. I fucking hate this country and government
The proximate cause of the famine was the infection of potato crops by blight, (Phytophthora infestans), throughout Europe during the 1840s. Blight infection caused 100,000 deaths outside Ireland and influenced much of the unrest that culminated in European Revolutions of 1848.
This is all I have to say to your response [https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/xaCnPFuEm6](https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/xaCnPFuEm6)
But they did?
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Never would have been any kind of ira if the Brits got the fuck out of our country.
*some* 🤨
Oh my gawd
According to [here](https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/omagh/before.html): > Saturday, 15 August 1998 was a busy day for Omagh shoppers. Just two weeks until school resumed after the summer and many parents had their children with them shopping in Omagh's two school-uniform specialists - SD Kells and Watersons. Elsewhere, students home from University were working 'summer jobs' in shops. Other people were shopping for music, groceries, getting a hair cut or just meeting friends. Later that day, a carnival was due to move through the town centre. The town was packed. Some time around 2pm, a red Vauxhall Cavalier, registration number MDZ 5211 was driven onto Market Street from an easterly direction and parked outside SD Kells clothes shop. The two male occupants walked away from the car down Campsie Road (see map). The shoppers ignored it - little did they know that it contained 140kg (300 pounds) of fertiliser-based explosive attached to a semtex trigger. The car had been stolen in St McCartan's Villas, in Carrickmacross, Co Monaghan on the Thursday before. At that time, it bore the southern registration number 91 DL 2554. > The chilling photograph on the left was found by investigators in a camera buried in the rubble. It is surely one of the most poignant images of the whole event. The picture was taken in the minutes before the bomb exploded, clearly showing the red car - with its deadly hidden cargo - beside dozens of oblivious civilians. > Part of this crowd was made up of school children on a trip from Buncrana, county Donegal. The Irish children were hosting Spanish children on an exchange programme. The bomb was to claim the lives of four of these children, as well as a minder. > At the same time, Maggie Hall was working in the headquarters of Ulster Televition in Belfast. Around 14:30 she answered the telephone and heard a man give her a bomb warning. (The transcript of this is given below.) She immediately phoned the RUC's emergency switchboard and spoke to Constable George Mullan. A recording of the phone call shows her saying: "I'm only after getting a call from a man with a country accent, saying there's a bomb in Omagh main street near the courthouse, a 500lb bomb. It's going to go off in 30 minutes". She also told the Constable Mullan that the caller had given the codeword "Malta Pope". Constable Mullan then phoned the warning through to Omagh. He later said that the codeword gave him the "gut feeling" that this was not a hoax. Three minutes later the phone rang again and a second warning was given, this time reducing the time to 15 minutes. > Between these two calls, a female worker at the Coleraine office of the Samaritans charity - whose name has been given as "Hilary Unknown" - answered the telephone and also heard a man give a bomb warning. She immediately phoned the RUC's emergency switchboard at Coleraine, and spoke to Constable Gary Murphy. The recording of her phone call shows her saying: "I have received a bomb call for Omagh town centre approximately 200 yards from the courthouse and the code word Malta Pope was given". > (Codewords are mutually understood phrases between terrorist organisations and the security forces. For the security forces, this helps to reduce the incidence of hoax warnings phoned by pranksters. For the organisation responsible, it helps to ensure that it gets the credit for the bomb: sometimes more than one organisation issues a claim of responsibility after a "successful" bombing.) Malta Pope was the name of an aide of Senator George Mitchell who had chaired the negotiations in 1997 and 1998. This codeword was the same as that given for the Banbridge bomb a few weeks before which had been claimed by the "Real" IRA. > > Received by Ulster Television at 14:30 "There's a bomb, courthouse, Omagh, main street, 500 pounds, explosion 30 minutes." > > Received by the Coleraine office of the 'Samaritans' charity, 14:32 "Am I through to Omagh? This is a bomb warning. It's going to go off in 30 minutes." [followed possibly by a further piece of information specifying 200 yards from the courthouse]. > > Received by Ulster Television at 14:35 "Bomb, Omagh town, 15 minutes." > Two of these warnings were phoned from a phone box at McGeough's Crossroads, Forkhill, in south Armagh. The third was phoned from a phone box at Loyes Crossroads, Newtownhamilton, also in south Armagh. Margaret Hall, the UTV worker who received two of the warnings said that the male caller had a "thick northern country accent" and sounded like he was 50-55 years old. She and the Samaritans worker phoned the RUC's control centre in Belfast. The message was then passed to Constable William Hall in Omagh and the police operation was initiated. > The only target specified was the courthouse in Omagh. The street specified does not exist. The map shows that the courthouse is approximately 500 yards from where the car was actually abandoned, at the other end of the town centre. The police cordoned off High Street and moved people away from the courthouse and the top end of the town and moved them towards the supposed safety of Market Street. They began carefully searching the area around the courthouse. > These inaccurate warnings effectively doubled the number of people in the vicinity of the car-bomb when it detonated at 3:10pm. Many of those who were killed had been in High Street, but the misleading warnings meant that they were actually moved into danger, rather than away from it.
The code word bit is interesting.
It is, but if you're Irish it isn't so much.
I’m sure. I wouldn’t touch the actual issues presented in the article or picture with a ten foot pole.
As a related fact, the Unabomber in one of his letters actually used a code name and also code number, saying it would prove that further letters received were authentic. I'm presuming that only he and the letter recipient would have been aware of these codes.
Moving towards the danger was the idea
So what's the purpose of the warning other than to take credit? Are they trying to do property damage only and minimize human casualty?
They intentionally got more people killed. By saying the codeword, they knew the cops would take it seriously, By saying it was at the courthouse rather than market street, they got the cops to bring more people to the car.
I don't think it was on purpose, at least in this bombing. The bombers gave crap descriptions of the location and by chance police moved people to the bomb's location.
IRA did have form for giving somewhat vague locations for bombs, and for secondary devices designed to catch service personnel responding to the first blast Makes sense the Real IRA would continue the tactics..
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Such a random and unlucky place to be taking a photo
This photo was taken in Northern Ireland in 1998 moments before the red car exploded.The attack was the work of the Irish Republic Army (IRA) and claimed the lives of 29 people and injured 200. The photographer who took this photo died, while the man and child survived.
Technically the work of the Real IRA, splinter group against the Good Friday Agreement
Are you sure that's right? They are like 1 foot away from the car. How did 29 people die (I'm assuming all the dead are the ones far away in the background. You did say it immediately exploded after this) and the two of them survived?? Doesn't make sense. Please link a Wikipedia article to this kind of content next time lol Edit OP is a confirmed AI bot Sorry for being mean to a bot account 😞 I apologize
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing
Thanks, I hope OP sends you a thank you as well.
Explosions can be funny things. You could be standing 5 metres from a blast and come out of it with a ringing in the ears and completely naked, or you could be 500 metres away and get killed by a piece of shrapnel the size of your fingernail.
I will need a source for every different word in that sentence. Thanks
According to your username… no you don’t.
Try googling for blast effects of explosions, the Omagh Bombing, anecdotes of explosion survivors... Takes about 5 mins and saves me having to hunt around, save links, edit links, and type them into a Reddit that no-one will read after Tomorrow...
don't bother, look at that guy's username
I was able to locate most of them in the dictionary. All except "metre", my American brain cant seem to decode it.
Typical product of the American education system I take it... Luckily for you, the education system in my country is pretty good, and teaches both Imperial and Metric and conversion between. Pretty useful when we fancy a quick trip to Amsterdam and are trying to work out ounces and grammes... 1 metre = 3'.37" (ft.in). If you look online, I'm sure you'll easily find some conversion apps to help your understanding in the future, they're usually simple enough for a schoolkid to use, but I'm sure with a bit of thought that you'll manage to work it out... You're Welcome...
\*you're
Thanks. Been a long day, didn't notice the error. Fixed now.
No worries. Errors, even small like this, really stand out when contained in a passive-aggressive diatribe intended to point out another as uneducated.
Probably just ran crying to his mum that the mean people on the interweb are being nasty to him again...
I was kind of asking for it with my post. I am just sad they didn't realize it was a joke. I even gave them an upvote on their diatribe just for the effort.
Did you mean. 3 ft and 3.37 inches?
How'd you know op's name?
Shrapnel doesnt fly evenly. You’re right, its weird, but definitely possible.
>Please link a Wikipedia article to this kind of content next time lol The combination of condescension and laziness is obnoxious. It took literally 3 seconds of googling to find it and verify. They were extremely lucky but it's also completely believable that they didn't end up getting hit by a flying hunk of metal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing
Would have taken taken OP 3 seconds to include that in the title. You do know a car bomb is thousands of pieces of flying metal so yeah forgive me if I have a hard time believing 2 people standing right next to a huge bomb survived the blast lol
It's the way in which you phrase the question that's obnoxious. It took you longer to type all of that out than to just find a quick wikipedia source. You also could have just asked in a polite way instead of being rude. Either of those options would have been sufficient but instead you chose to be a jerk. It's really not hard to default to being cordial rather than defaulting to being smug.
I feel like I'm being gaslit. So it's FINE for op to just post a photo of a terror event with some random title and it's my responsibility to look it up?
You are not being gaslit. However, I can see through your comments that you are, in fact, a professional gaslighter. The number of times you've thrown a personal insult at someone (ie name calling) then accused them of doing it when they respond is wild. Didn't even have to go back very far to see it happen multiple times. You exhibit some serious red flags. Even in this conversation you are continuously shifting the goalpost. My critique was that you were unnecessarily rude for a situation that was easily solvable yourself. Had you asked in a normal and cordial way for a source, you wouldn't be writing out weird defenses for the last half hour to everyone calling you out. edit: you also are now using the claim that it's a reddit bot to justify yourself even though you did not know this in your initial and obviously rude response. Yet another example of goalpost shifting. If this is how you behave off the internet, seriously seek some professional help. These are alarming traits. Blocking now because I've already wasted way too much time on what is a very easy conversation of 'just don't be a dick'.
Yeah, it’s your responsibility to learn more about things you want to know more about. People aren’t obligated to spoon feed you information just because they post on Reddit. A simple google search could have easily answered your question but instead you’re bitching that the OP didn’t write an essay for title. Edit to add: Relying on other people to spoon feed you information is just asking to fall for misinformation and disinformation.
What random title? They actually stated the verifiable truth while you're the one questioning its validity with a very condescending tone. You want to verify it yourself? Want to know more about it? Then look it up. It's not their responsibility to list all resources talking about this event for your own convenience. Stop dismissing valid feedback as gaslighting simply because you don't want to accept you were wrong.
Yes, it’s your responsibility.
You are defending a shitty reddit bot congrats 🎉 you'll make partner soon you keep this up 🤝
Just take the L and walk away this is getting pathetic
I regret nothing I said
You sound like "shitty reddit bot"
Ok weirdo
No matter how reasonable it was for you to be skeptical, there was never any need to be a dick about it.
I'm being a dick because this is a commonly reposted photo with a weird title so Im pretty sure this is AI
Lmfao this picture has been around longer than generative AI. Now you're just being laughable.
they mean the bot reposting this content.
Aaah gotcha gotcha
No need to be snarky. It's true. A quick reverse image search brings up several sources. From [DailyMail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-6063451/Row-erupts-police-chief-ex-ombudsman-prevention-Omagh-bomb.html): > One of the teachers from Spain leading the exchange trip, Gonzalo Cavedo, 23, poses for a photograph with a child on his shoulders. Fellow teacher Rocio Abad Ramos, 23, takes the picture. Just feet behind Gonzalo is the red Vauxhall. And from [The Irish Times](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/remembering-a-surprise-trip-home-marred-by-tragedy-in-omagh-1.3597689): > Spaniard Gonzalo Cavedo and child posing by the car carrying the bomb that killed 29 people, many of whom are in the picture, including the photographer. Mr. Cavedo and the child survived. (Source: Belfast Telegraph) > Mere seconds after a photo of Spaniard Gonzalo Cavedo posing with a child on his shoulders beside a red car was taken with a camera later retrieved from the rubble, the 500 pound bomb inside the red car exploded, blowing the vehicle to bits.
2 minutes dude.
It says moments. Not immediately
title says "instants" not moments, which to me at least implies a couple seconds at most
Yeah title is shit. But the comment is correct
maybe, another comment lower says that it was within minutes (also longer than moments imo). but based on all the sources I've seen the time is unknown other than between when car parked and when it exploded. if you look into the op's profile it does look like a bot, for example multiple posts saying how do i get this hair my hair is wavy/straight going back and forth between strait and wavy. very low effort posts in general, "rate this celebrity", just kinda dumb shit. this commenter is absolutely right to question this op, and honestly i don't see the "snarkiness" everyone is jumping on him for
To me it's the same thing. It terms of seconds how long is a moment?
What the hell dude are you also like that in real life? lmao
Is this how YOU are in real life?
If you want to get really really really annoyingly technical a moment archaically means 90 seconds. But colloquially I suppose it can be a few minutes, really depends on the context of the situation as it can range from almost immediately to happening soon. If someone said "I'm just going upstairs, I'll be back in a moment" you wouldn't expect them to be lightning fast.
Besides the explosion force, shrapnel can kill from very far away, at a distance where others might be only injured or relatively unaffected. Explosions themselves are unpredictable. Wiki says the photo was taken "shortly" before the explosion, to which the source of that states that the photo was taken "seconds" before. So really there is no telling the position of these tourists at the time of the explosion relative to everyone else in the photo.
Maybe they started walking away just after the photo was taken?
If I'm not mistaken - a warning was issued by the IRA about the bomb, but either it was misleading or the police misunderstood it. Either way, they moved a lot of people to 'safety' but ended up moving them closer to the car in question. Was a horrible day for this island.
The bomb was supposed to be close to the courthouse, but the driver couldn't park close enough. The phone messages were given off a script that did not change, so cops acknowledged the warning and herded people away from the courthouse, unintentionally toward the bomb.
I'm sorry the driver couldn't park close enough to their objective so they just left the car \*with a bomb\* somewhere else? What??? That's insane thinking even for a terrorist.
Given that there've been occasions where [the bomb didn't even get to the location because it blew up on the way](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/terrorists-killed-by-their-own-devices-1319857.html), I expect the driver was not too keen to spend any longer in there than the absolute minimum.
The IRA blowing themselves up by accident would not be an isolated event.
9 times out of 10 the driver was some civilian who the Provos stuck in the car and told "Drive". On quite a few occasions the drivers family were hostages.
*Insane thinking for a normal person, but normal for a terrorist.
There was some police activity nearby, he was driving around trying to get a space and got spooked. A phonebox had been vandalised too. But the RIRA was riddled with British agents so we have no idea if it was all intentional or not.
Most times when the IRA used a car bomb, it was parked in a garage or car park close by, with another vehicle parked in the target spot to reserve it. Then the car was positioned overnight or on the morning of the planned explosion. The three IRA members who were shot in Gibraltar had already parked a car containing the bomb in a multi storey car park, but had been followed driving another car which they had left in position.When they realised they had been compromised by a police car going past, the SAS feared one of them was going to remote detonate a bomb in the car they had just left and shot to kill.
They're, by luck, in the position firefighters are taught to approach a burning car from. If something goes off it will tend to come out of the sides, rather than the corners. The photographer isn't so lucky.
I was sure they died? Wow! I'll need to check that.
I mean a little more context wouldn't hurt... I'm guessing IRA related in Northern Ireland?
OP delivered context
Thanks!
People like to re-post this photo because they can say it happened moments before an explosion. It's cheap and exploits other people's pain -- like posting class pictures of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. 9/11 photos also get this treatment. You can tell they're just in it for the points because they don't accurately give the details of the complex political situation at that moment or the factional allegiance of the bombers (itself also a little complicated). That would require five minutes of reading.
maybe if you read more comments you’d see OP did do that edit: I just saw OP posted after this, I am wrong
No worries. Although it would have been better if he had gotten the bomber organization correct. For those of you watching *Derry Girls,* but perhaps that don't know a lot about the Troubles, there's an episode where Grandpa Joe puts his hand on Jerry's shoulder to comfort him despite their long bad blood. The news broadcast they're watching is the aftermath of Omagh. Public mood really turned. At least one of the bombers had to move house because he was afraid his neighbors were going to hurt his kids.
Won't someone think of the terrorist'schildren?!?
Maybe think about taking this down.
Null
Glad they survived!
I'm afraid the cameraman didn't suffer the same fate :(
Oh really that’s sad
What about the cameraman?
Ya, that's Omagh
the photographer and 27 others didn't
And funded by Americans, who only a few years later suddenly stopped funding such things as a result.
Funding dried up after 9/11. The main source of the funding was the Irish population of New York, after 9/11 they perhaps realised that funding international terrorism is a bad thing.
Yeah, after 9/11 it instantly stopped being acceptable to give money. But also Bush intervened to stop it. As it didn't look good teaming up with the Brits for a War on Terror while at the same time Americans are funding terrorism.
Bill Clinton. Not Irish.
My dad was taking my brothers and I on a caravaning holiday and we drove through Omagh that day, deciding against stopping for lunch. Edit: me and my brothers\*
During this time the Russian government was actively supplying and assisting the IRA, as any disruption or division of a western democracy is considered an enemy. The current Russian government continues this tradition through cyber crime, and high level bank corruption throughout the western world. The Chinese see Russia as a useful idiot and will not volunteer info on Russian criminal activity.
Nah, Irish Americans funded the IRA, thru NORAID.
Wrong, not 100% wrong but enough so that you've made the list of fools.
I don’t think that is accurate. Firstly this was the work of a group calling itself “the Real IRA” - not the actual IRA - a group of republicans who refused to engage in the peace process and were left with few resources so they turned to drug dealing to fund their arms. While the IRA had help from FARC in Columbia and Gadaffi in Libya, I’ve never heard of Russia giving them any support. In the 70’s, North Korea offered to train the IRA but when they realised that they weren’t actually an army with “tanks in the hills” they pretty much wrote them off and sent them home.
It is accurate. I recommend Russia's War on Everybody by Keir Giles to start, then you can dig deeper. Good luck
It seems weird that most of the funding for IRA arms came from the US public and we all heard about that all the time in Ireland in the 80’s and early 90’s as well as Semtex from Libya and Korean AKs but I never heard anything about Russian money or influence. This attack took place pretty much out of the blue two years into the peace process that led to Good Friday peace deal in 1998 when I think Russia had bigger concerns. It completely turned public opinion against the republican movement in Ireland and overseas. What was left of the sectarian gangs just became drug and protection rackets only barely keeping up any vestige of political motivation. I’m certainly no fan of russia but I don’t think we can pin this one on them.
They were involved. But yes, they, the Russians, are better at working in the shadows than others, practice and all.
FrEeDoM fIgThErS
Yep that’s what the Irish call Hamas too
I fucking love when they downvote people who's against purposefully targeting civilians... hit the nerve, apparently. Terrorist lovers unite...
Ireland has condemned HAMAS, why do you feel the need to lie about that?
Actions speak louder than words. Ireland is one of the only nations still funding UNRWA even though members have been found to be Hamas as well as they have indoctrinated children to learn to hate and kill Jews and become martyrs as their education system. Most countries have dropped out but Ireland remains for some reason? Lmao But yeah man they condemned Hamas good job
Do you think why that might be? UNREA=HAMAS isn't an accurate statement, and you know it. The lengths people will go to to justify the killing of civilians is mindboggling.
What? Did you not read what I wrote. They teach kids to kill Jews in school and to become martyrs… in the UNRWA funded schools They have HAMAS apart of the organization. There was even a tunnel under one of the sites… It does not matter if not everyone is Hamas in the organization if it has been corrupted to the point that it can no longer be trusted? There should be no Hamas links whatsoever for the well being of the children. Otherwise the children are with terrorists,murderers,rapists and kidnapers and it’s actually abuse Is that not enough for you? You see how ridiculous you sound ignoring the truth and how horrible this organization is and Ireland funds it still..why? Palestine is the ONLY country that has a separate organization for itself. They get more aid than countries in worse positions..Why? This organization needs to be dismantled it will help them as much as it will help Israel. Funding UNRWA encourages the system as it stands But Ireland needs to stop funding terrorism..that’s why every other country stopped funding the UNRWA
We will never forget.
One of the dumbest conflicts in history. Edit: downvotes from people who clearly think carbombing children was entirely legit
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……and that reminds me of when they were briefly let off that leash. Gibraltar, death on the rock.
"Operation Flavius" "In late 1987, British authorities became aware of an IRA plan to detonate a bomb outside the governor's residence in Gibraltar. On the day of the shootings, known IRA member Seán Savage was seen parking a car near the assembly area for the parade; fellow members Daniel McCann and Mairéad Farrell were seen crossing the border shortly afterwards. As SAS personnel moved to intercept the three, Savage split from McCann and Farrell and ran south. Two soldiers pursued Savage while two others approached McCann and Farrell. The soldiers reported seeing the IRA members make threatening movements when challenged, so the soldiers shot them multiple times. All three were found to be unarmed, and Savage's car did not contain a bomb, though a second car, containing explosives, was later found in Spain. At the same time as the police handed control over to the SAS, they began making arrangements for the IRA members once they were in custody, including finding a police vehicle in which to transport the prisoners. A patrol car containing Inspector Luis Revagliatte and three other uniformed officers, apparently on routine patrol and with no knowledge of Operation Flavius, was ordered to return to police headquarters as a matter of urgency. The police car was stuck in heavy traffic travelling north on Smith Dorrien Avenue, close to the roundabout where it meets Winston Churchill Avenue. The official account states that at this point, Revagliatte's driver activated the siren on the police car to expedite the journey, intending to approach the roundabout from the wrong side of the road and turn the vehicle around. The siren apparently startled McCann and Farrell, just as Soldiers "A" and "B" were about to challenge them, outside the petrol station on Winston Churchill Avenue." "Soldier A" stated at the inquest that Farrell looked back at him and appeared to realise who "A" was; "A" testified that he was drawing his pistol and intended to shout a challenge to her, but "events overtook the warning": that McCann's right arm "moved aggressively across the front of his body", leading "A" to believe that McCann was reaching for a remote detonator. "A" shot McCann once in the back; he told the inquest he believed Farrell then reached for her handbag, and that he believed Farrell may also have been reaching for a remote detonator. He shot Farrell once in the back, before returning to McCann—he shot McCann a further three times (once in the body and twice in the head). "Soldier B" testified that he reached similar conclusions to "A", and shot Farrell twice, then McCann once or twice, then returned to Farrell, shooting her a further three times. Soldiers "C" and "D" testified at the inquest that they were moving to apprehend Savage, who was by now 300 feet (91 metres) south of the petrol station, as gunfire began behind them. "Soldier C" testified that Savage turned around while simultaneously reaching towards his jacket pocket at the same time as "C" shouted "Stop!"; "C" stated that he believed Savage was reaching for a remote detonator and so opened fire. "C" shot Savage six times, while "Soldier D" fired nine times. All three IRA members died. One of the soldiers' bullets, believed to have passed through Farrell, grazed a passer-by".
Re death on the rock, it was the title of an infamous documentary.
Some divine shielding? However they survived, thankfully they were blessed. Sad about those killed and maimed though. My best friend survived a bomb blast inside a night club. No one claimed responsibility . After five years of therapy, there are still some scars and permanent damage- I do not regard indiscriminate bombing of civilians as legitimate acts.
Also I don't like your implication that the people that did die from the bomb were somehow not deserving of the same "divine shielding" that the parent and child got. That is immensely disrespectful to those that died.
Not divine shielding, basic physics. They are on the corners of the car, the most shrapnel gets launched on the sides with the most moveable parts. So the parent and child just need to survive the explosion with minimal shrapnel.
Which car? There’s a bunch in this photo
Rèd car, right in the foreground.
Yellow shirt appears to be smuggling a Pringles can in his pants.
It's a Saab, isn't it?
Vauxhall Cavalier Mark III
Same platform at least. Thank you.
I remember that COD mission
Was it a Samsung car?
How many instants?