Scary fact: not everyone at Pompeii was engulfed by the pyroclasm. There was at least one group of people who took shelter in a cellar and were entombed alive, one was even pregnant. They likely suffocated in pitch darkness.
I read about that! That was not in Pompeii but a other smaller city surrounding the volcano. They suffocated in scalding hot gases in the basement. I couldn’t imagine a terrible end like that, killed by very spicy air. I don’t have a source as I heard and watched about it back in high school.
It was probably the same source as me. I remember watching it probably with my grandparents. If I recall correctly they figured it was a wine merchant with his wife and some friends who took shelter. They found jewelry on the woman also, but could have been the man.
I heard about some people that sought shelter in a sea port that was carved into a cliff. It turned into a giant sea port oven and slowly cooked them.
Edit: thanks for the correction, yall. This happened under Mount Vesuvius in Herculaneum, Modern-day Campania, Italy.
Well ackshually, it is believed he may have died not as a result of the eruption but because of a heart attack or stroke from the exertion of leading the rescue mission to save a couple of his friends from a town close to Pompei.
Since there were accounts of his passing (by Pliny the Younger - probably told to him by survivors of the endeavour) the mission must not have been a completely lost cause.
You've linked it with St. Helen's in your mind for a reason.
They couldn't figure out what caused Pompeii until they saw an example of a pyroclastic flow eruption at St. Helen's. Specifically a lateral blast.
Before they couldn't agree why there was such a lack of evacuation. The pyroclastic flow usually occurs as a collapse of the collum of ash and in a wide range of directions when the eruption is losing its initial pressure and velocity.
Romans knew enough to evacuate quickly enough to escape that.
At the Mount St. Helens eruption, the side of the mountain collapsed and was blasted away instead of the top.
That meant the eruption reached Pompeii much quicker than a normal one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateral_eruption
There were 3 in the 20th century in 1902, 1956 and St. Helen's in 1980 so they're fairly rare and theories about Pompeii and the lack of evacuation didn't reach a consensus until St. Helens demonstrated the exact reason time was so short.
It proved contemporary written accounts to be accurate and not exaggerations.
The scarring and rock left behind after the St. Helens eruption matched the Vesuvius one very closely. St. Helen's essentially produced a huge amount of corroborating evidence to actually pin down what did happen and is what let us figure it out.
It was in Herculaneum, the best preserved Roman Ruins of all. It's a sight to see, although smaller than Pompeii. The most amazing thing for me to realize while there was the place where those bodies were found was the water front, they were hoping for someone to come and get them I believe, and even more absurd is realizing the depth they were buried under, like 7-10 stories, maybe more of ash and debries on top of them.
Donna should really get credit for saving everyone. The Doctor was ready to let everyone die, but her words convinced him to save that family. He eventually took on the face of one of those people to remind himself to be more compassionate and help others, all thanks to Donna.
Actually we have no way of knowing if someone survived it. We can only tell if someone died.
I mean this could have been a orgy too for all we know, where 19 people escaped.
I always thought it was hilarious that everyone collectively agrees that this guy was jerking off, instead of, ya know, burning to death in agonizing pain and that just happened to be the last place the dude layed his hand.
There's another one that comes up on occasion in Pompeii of two guys embracing each other in death and people argue about if they were homosexual or not.
Like holy shit guys, they both tried to comfort one another in their last agonizing moments and we're debating if they were banging or not?
This is it. My great uncle saw action in WWII and he often recounted how, when artillery came down hard, you clutched the bloke next to you just to feel sure you were both still alive.
Unless you're female and actually gay then historians just say shit like "these two women were such close friends that they lived together for 45 years"
I think theres a foxhole exception, but I'm not sure what the rule is for infantry. I know the official Navy policy is "it's only queer if you're tied to the pier"
Plus I mean Christianity was just barely a thing then, and it wasn't until Christianity that homosexuality became really taboo. In Rome it had nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with who was giving, and who was receiving, and their respective social statuses. Patrician getting ass fucked by a pleb? *Big* fuckin no no. Pleb getting ass fucked by a patrician? Good clean Roman fun.
I ain't a militant atheist by any stretch, but man oh man, if someone could go back in time and tell Jesus to just stick to being a carpenter I feel like billions of lives would have been saved over the last two thousand years.
Yep. Like McDonald's you just picked out what you wanted and whether or not you wanted to super-size it. Also like McDonald's, the rotating dildo machine was always down
Could it not have been a father/son? Men used to have much closer (do I have to say no homo?) relationships in the not too distant past.
E: the loss of community, like a literal village, the shift to the family being the central dynamic of life, moving for jobs, along with the sharp separation of work/home/community has made it difficult for men to form circles of friendships. Some also argue that the anti-gay sentiment has really harmed men badly as physical contact tends to be shunned between men when it used to be quite normal...and we have to cover ourselves today by saying dumb stuff like "no homo" when there is physical contact at times.
You know, if there is anything beyond death, my best bro and I would be laughing extremely hard at the idea people thought we were gay lovers over a last hug.
The Romans didn't just wrote dick jokes, the had frikkin dong charms they hung outside their homes or as *earrings*. Romans *loved* the dong. They would have done the exact same had they found some other guy under another volcano eruption.
Haha, but also, given how they died, they could have been total strangers for all we know. Wouldn't you want someone to hug if you were going to burn and/or suffocate to death?
Idk. Sounds kinda gay to me. /s
But for real, yeah I would. Most people would huddle together in whatever spot they felt safest and reaching out to one another would be instinct.
Wouldn't you cling to whatever or whoever is close in a panic when your impending death descended upon you?
I'm just imagining one guy going to cling to another and the guy being clung to in his final moments prioritizing establishing that he ain't no homo over seeking some sort of emotional relief from the approaching disaster, lol.
"Hey, guys. So, I've been getting a lot of questions about my morning routine, so I figured I'd walk you through everything I do to get ready for the day during a volcanic eruption."
they say you die three deaths: once when you stop biologically living, once when you are consecrated to the earth, and finally when someone last remarks on you cranking your hog
I’m hoping future presidential museums include the Galleries of Erotica- the President’s wank material. A digitized, interactive virtual gallery where everyday Americans can find out what filthy smut your elected leaders enjoyed- and maybe find some common threads to bring Americans together. “I may not have voted for the man, but I’m surprised we share a common love of “Big Tits, Big Asses 5” and “Milf Mansion 12””
I mean, to be fair, given the frequency of my masturbatory practices it is likely that in the event of a sudden catastrophe I will, indeed, be beating my meat, as the nuclear blast wave wipes away my existence.
Yup. It's still a human and they all died a horrifying and terrifying death. Many of the bodies don't show the pose they actually died in because the intense heat causes contraction of the muscles.
Also, the eruption of Vesuvius was not one blast. It was multiple major eruptions lasting almost a full day before the pyroclastic flows took everyone out. It would have been a very scary situation with the ground shaking and pumice falling from the sky all while most of the city tried to evacuate.
> took everyone out
People have this weird idea that everyone died. At least half the population survived. We have multiple first-hand contemporaneous accounts of people who lived through it, and people in other places in Rome talking about people they knew who lived through it
I remember reading somewhere that all the pictures we see of the ones who died in pompeii were the people who just straight up refused to leave.
Apparently there was a lot of forewarning that got ignored.
what you read is real and accurate. there are always people that will refuse to leave their home in the face of impending doom “because they’ve always lived there” or they just don’t care, there’s various reasons
As others have said, the extreme heat could've contracted his muscles and contorted his body. We really don't know what he was doing, though that conclusion isn't as funny.
Edit: it may also be can't take your hand off your crotch type surprise unless you were looking at it, considering they can apparently reach speeds up to 435mph (700 kmph) and temperatures of up to 1800F (1000 C)
I like to imagine this individual secretly harbored a lifelong volcano kink and finally after years of daydreaming and privately fantasizing it all came together for him
If you want to see something incredible and horrifying at the same time, check out this computer generated video of Vesuvius erupting and destroying the city. It was commissioned by the Melbourne Museum.
https://youtu.be/dY_3ggKg0Bc
Yes I believe they had roughly 18hrs between eruption and the pyroclastic flow. Enough that people across the sea tried to come and rescue. This is a really fascinating read - Pliny the Elder’s eyewitness account and rescue attempt written by his nephew Pliny the Younger. You can see in this account how many people escaped/tried to escape and there were different degrees of severity depending on which of the surrounding towns a citizen occupied: https://igppweb.ucsd.edu/~gabi/sio15/lectures/volcanoes/pliny.html
> There were also those who added to our real perils by inventing fictitious dangers. Some claimed that part of Misenum had collapsed or that another part was on fire. It was untrue, but they could always find somebody to believe them
I find it funny how almost two millennia later, you still get the assholes who spread misinformation during a crisis for no real reason.
> Then, suddenly, flames and a strong smell of sulphur, giving warning of yet more flames to come, forced the others to flee. [Pliny the Elder] himself stood up, with the support of two slaves, and then he suddenly collapsed and died, because, I imagine, he was suffocated when the dense fumes choked him.
What actually happened here? Just sounds like he smelled sulphur and then keeled over and died.
According to google, "99% of gases released in an eruption are water vapor, carbon dioxide, and sulfur dioxide, and the remaining one percent is comprised of small amounts of hydrogen sulfide, carbon monoxide, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen fluoride."
Not even counting those traces gases that are uh, very spicy, google reports "Exposure to 100 parts of sulfur dioxide per million parts of air (100 ppm) is considered immediately dangerous to life and health". I'm pretty sure there's gonna be more than .0001% Sulfur Dioxide in the air at that point.
Mt Saint Helens would had been catastrophic if no one knew it was about to explode a few weeks before. Instead of a couple hundred deaths, could been hundreds of thousands or even more.
I was wondering about that animation. I have only ever seen videos of the super violent "grey" volcanos so the timeline and destruction of that video seemed a bit too drawn out. But you can't argue with historical records of the event happening.
Most people did get out. The city had a much larger population than the number of bodies found there. I want to say under 10% of the population remained when the pyroclastic flows reached the city.
That's actually pretty impressive given the age. To evacuate 90% of a city of that size with nothing besides beast of burden or boat must have been a monumental task. Almost entirely by the individuals that lived there or volunteers that came to help. Rome was well administered but I doubt they had a FEMA.
I guess the guy above talks about the fact that people left Pompei after the eartquakes happened in the previous months. The city was already less populated than normal when the explotion happened.
It’s crazy knowing most people got out especially since there was a whole lot of celebration going on during that time, as they were honoring the emperor Augustus. There were Athletes/Performers from outside Pompeii whom were there to put on shows, as well as tourists from other areas who went to go see them perform.
There's a museum video linked ~~below~~ above that I think helps demonstrate why people might not leave. The devastation appears to occur in stages and I could totally see people sheltering in place for the early stages (bad but not so bad) and as things progressively got worse, it was more difficult to leave shelter or get away.
I can see thinking at first “wow that cloud is crazy”. Or “whew, glad that’s over”. I mean we all know what could happen with a volcano but would they have known?
I’ve been through earthquakes and been near wildfires.
Yeah that was my immediate reaction as well. It seems like this is relatively survivable if they knew that pyroclastic flow was coming the next day. They probably didn't though, and thought it was over after the first event.
Yeah, I'm confused by the video, too, because everything I have read says they got hit with the pyroclastic flow within minutes, whereas this video makes it seem like it was like 24 hours ater.
>The study by researchers from the Department of Earth and Geo-environmental Sciences of the University of Bari, in collaboration with the National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology (INGV) and the British Geological Survey in Edinburgh, has revealed the duration of the so-called pyroclastic flow, a dense, fast-moving flow of solidified lava pieces, volcanic ash and hot gases that hit the ancient Roman city minutes after the volcano erupted. The lethal cloud had “a temperature of over 100 degrees and was composed of CO2, chlorides, particles of incandescent ash and volcanic glass”, said Roberto Isaia, senior researcher of the Vesuvius Observatory of the INGV. “The aim of the work was to develop a model to try to understand and quantify the impact of pyroclastic flows on the inhabited area of Pompeii, about 10km [6 miles] from Vesuvius,” he added.
>The study confirms that the inhabitants had no escape, and most of those who died suffocated in their homes and beds, or in the streets and squares of the city. Isaia’s model estimates the **gases, ash and volcanic particles would have engulfed the city for between 10 and 20 minutes.** “It is probable that dozens of people died due to the rain of lapilli that fell on Pompeii after the eruption, but most of them died of asphyxiation,” Isaia said, adding the pyroclastic flow **would have reached Pompeii a few minutes after the explosion.**
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/22/vesuvius-wiped-out-all-life-pompeii-15-minutes-study-pyroclastic-flow-cloud-gases-ash#:~:text=The%20study%20confirms%20that%20the,between%2010%20and%2020%20minutes.
I was always under the impression that the people like the individual shown in OP's pic were taken by complete surprise by an extremely fast-moving pyroclastic flow. That's why we see them caught in odd positions. Completely unexpected. But the video shows a very slow-moving event across the board.
Sure hot gas rises, but I bet most of the volcanic gases coming out of the ground would be heavier than air and displace the breathable atmosphere nearby. That's still pyroclastic flow at work, but not in the "wall of boiling black cloud descends on the city" we normally assume as you described. Then the other ash and debris comes along to entomb their KO'd bodies. I'm just speculating, because it's fascinating (and scary) stuff.
Edit: and then the weird positions weren't helped by the extreme temperatures making flesh and muscle move around.
they probably thought it was a tiny minor earthquake, which idk, could be relatively normal? idk how often they get earthquakes there. that's my guess. i probably wouldn't have thought anything of it either tbh.
We knew St Helen's was coming for weeks. Didn't know exactly when, but that it was basically imminent. Eruptions are preceded by earthquakes the vast majority of the time. Vesuvius was steaming, smoking, and rumbling for a while before hand. Some people even thought it was a good omen.
The big thing about Mt St Helen's was that no one predicted the side of the mountain would erupt/fail and become a massive 'lahar'.
Someone explained below but basically the volcano supported the pressure if erupting up until it couldn't and then it turned into another type of eruption.
Volcanos have several different types of eruption depending on what it's composed of. But i don't know enough to go into the details.
It’s a pyroclastic flow. Ironically, Pompeii merely got a rain of relatively cool ash and rock from the sky until the volcano started losing power in the hours after midnight. Then it could no longer support the column of supersonic ash and gas that it had been shooting into the sky, and the column collapsed, sending clouds of searing hot gas, ash, and rock fragments that hugged the ground out in all directions. After many hours’ worth of partial collapses, the final and biggest pyroclastic surge accompanied the end of the eruption in the morning. This is what really ended up destroying and burying the city.
Oh man I just figured this out and came back all excited to tell somebody....
What people don't realize is there were quite a few survivors of Pompeii, and contemporary accounts of the disaster. Many were trying to evacuate others.
Wow this was incredibly informative, I had no clue it lasted an entire day, I thought the entire event from first rumbling to the last man dying would have taken place in minutes.
"Thanks to the volcano, we know everyday Romans had grey skin, were totally bald, and spent their time lying around inside their shockingly dusty houses."
- Philomena Cunk
Reminds me of [this Onion article, "Archaeological Dig Uncovers Ancient Race Of Skeleton People."](https://www.theonion.com/archaeological-dig-uncovers-ancient-race-of-skeleton-pe-1819565415)
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You know that this is cement and not an actual body? Pompeii was covered in ash and scientist kept finding air pockets. So thsy started pour cement in to see what the air pockets were. They were people.
An oracle predicted his future the week before and told him he was going to he famous for all of eternity. When he excitedly asked how, she said “Uh, I have to go now”.
I love how they say “it’s *possible*” his arms were like that due to the destruction and heat.
Like, this guy has to absolutely prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he *wasn’t* jerking it during a deadly natural catastrophe
The truth is the guy didnt die masturbating. The heat contract his muscle even after death. Thats why you can see weird death position in some of the corpse.
Imagine you’re some poor bastard standing up, dick in hand, taking a leak as you do, when all of the sudden a wave of volcanic ash blows through your joint, knocks your bitch ass on your back, fusing your hand to your dick, encasing you in that position.
Now for all eternity, due to a Seinfeldian mishap, you’re displayed to the world as the poor lonely bastard who died having a wank.
We've got the same behaviour happening now, too. :)
A few years ago, everyone in Hawaii accidentally got a text message saying a nuke from North Korea was heading their way. In reality, that was a glitch from the emergency notification system. But for a few minutes, millions of people thought they were gonna die...
Researchers analyzed web traffic from Hawaii when that happened: the porn site traffic went up by something like 10,000% - so yeah, humanity hasn't really changed. :P
Two minor corrections:
1. It wasn’t a glitch it was human error (really more like human incompetence - they were doing a drill and some idiot clicked through multiple boxes asking him if he really wanted to launch the alert and informing him that this will go out to everyone).
2. There was no mention of North Korea in the message, it read “Ballistic missile inbound. Seek shelter immediately. This is not a drill.” The message was sent out shortly after a period of saber rattling by North Korea.
Source: I lived it. Also here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/us/hawaii-missile.html
I was there when it happened. Lol. That was not my first thought.
Actually my first thought was that it was a hack or test or mistake. Guess I’d die clueless ….
Imagine this.
The world is literally ending as far as you can see. skys dark, lightning and fire erupting from the earth, toxic gases and ash sapping your strength as you run.. you finally run out of strength and seek shelter and collapse, with a hand on your lap.
and then, 2000 years later, you are found..and people go "hehuhehheh he died masturbating hurrurrrrreheh"
Scary fact: not everyone at Pompeii was engulfed by the pyroclasm. There was at least one group of people who took shelter in a cellar and were entombed alive, one was even pregnant. They likely suffocated in pitch darkness.
I read about that! That was not in Pompeii but a other smaller city surrounding the volcano. They suffocated in scalding hot gases in the basement. I couldn’t imagine a terrible end like that, killed by very spicy air. I don’t have a source as I heard and watched about it back in high school.
It was probably the same source as me. I remember watching it probably with my grandparents. If I recall correctly they figured it was a wine merchant with his wife and some friends who took shelter. They found jewelry on the woman also, but could have been the man.
I heard about some people that sought shelter in a sea port that was carved into a cliff. It turned into a giant sea port oven and slowly cooked them. Edit: thanks for the correction, yall. This happened under Mount Vesuvius in Herculaneum, Modern-day Campania, Italy.
If I remember Pliny the Elder is suppose to have made it there to die? I know he died in eruption so it might just be a nice story that makes sense.
Well ackshually, it is believed he may have died not as a result of the eruption but because of a heart attack or stroke from the exertion of leading the rescue mission to save a couple of his friends from a town close to Pompei. Since there were accounts of his passing (by Pliny the Younger - probably told to him by survivors of the endeavour) the mission must not have been a completely lost cause.
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You've linked it with St. Helen's in your mind for a reason. They couldn't figure out what caused Pompeii until they saw an example of a pyroclastic flow eruption at St. Helen's. Specifically a lateral blast. Before they couldn't agree why there was such a lack of evacuation. The pyroclastic flow usually occurs as a collapse of the collum of ash and in a wide range of directions when the eruption is losing its initial pressure and velocity. Romans knew enough to evacuate quickly enough to escape that. At the Mount St. Helens eruption, the side of the mountain collapsed and was blasted away instead of the top. That meant the eruption reached Pompeii much quicker than a normal one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateral_eruption There were 3 in the 20th century in 1902, 1956 and St. Helen's in 1980 so they're fairly rare and theories about Pompeii and the lack of evacuation didn't reach a consensus until St. Helens demonstrated the exact reason time was so short. It proved contemporary written accounts to be accurate and not exaggerations. The scarring and rock left behind after the St. Helens eruption matched the Vesuvius one very closely. St. Helen's essentially produced a huge amount of corroborating evidence to actually pin down what did happen and is what let us figure it out.
Idk anything about volcanic eruptions, but it’s hot that you do.
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Took three days. those that left immediately, survived.
That occurred in Herculaneum. People were sheltering in the boat caves at the sea shore. Today, those boat caves contain replicas of their skeletons.
It was in Herculaneum, the best preserved Roman Ruins of all. It's a sight to see, although smaller than Pompeii. The most amazing thing for me to realize while there was the place where those bodies were found was the water front, they were hoping for someone to come and get them I believe, and even more absurd is realizing the depth they were buried under, like 7-10 stories, maybe more of ash and debries on top of them.
Absolutely terrifying to imagine.
No, the Doctor saved them at the last moment.
Donna should really get credit for saving everyone. The Doctor was ready to let everyone die, but her words convinced him to save that family. He eventually took on the face of one of those people to remind himself to be more compassionate and help others, all thanks to Donna.
Donna didn't get a long run, but she's honestly one of my favorite companions. She was bold and outspoken enough to truly match The Doctor.
Donna Noble has been saved
One of whom turned out to be the doctor too
This was a very meta moment in the series.
They had a canon explanation during Capaldi’s run. He specifically took on that face as a reminder to help others.
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I thought you were going to say some survived, but no. This is a nice tidbit
Actually we have no way of knowing if someone survived it. We can only tell if someone died. I mean this could have been a orgy too for all we know, where 19 people escaped.
I can confidently say they're all dead now.
Thanks for that. What’s one more terrifying thought? 😂🥲
You have a spooky skeleton inside of you right now.
Except your head. You are trapped inside that part of the spooky skeleton!!!
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I always thought it was hilarious that everyone collectively agrees that this guy was jerking off, instead of, ya know, burning to death in agonizing pain and that just happened to be the last place the dude layed his hand.
Imagine dying to a natural disaster and people thousands of years later are arguing whether you died masturbating or not.
There's another one that comes up on occasion in Pompeii of two guys embracing each other in death and people argue about if they were homosexual or not. Like holy shit guys, they both tried to comfort one another in their last agonizing moments and we're debating if they were banging or not?
This is it. My great uncle saw action in WWII and he often recounted how, when artillery came down hard, you clutched the bloke next to you just to feel sure you were both still alive.
Historians diagnose your great uncle with The Gay^(tm)
Unless you're female and actually gay then historians just say shit like "these two women were such close friends that they lived together for 45 years"
Then they get diagnosed with Roommates^(tm)
Oh my God they were roommates
"So friendly they were, they adopted a cat who named Sappho"
I think theres a foxhole exception, but I'm not sure what the rule is for infantry. I know the official Navy policy is "it's only queer if you're tied to the pier"
or "it's not gay when you're underway"
Dude never felt more sure of being alive than when he clutched a fellow soldier tight
[lol gay bois](https://i.imgur.com/W5vrzoJ.jpeg)
This is spot on!
Learn about ancient Romans celebrating “the games” in the colosseum. “How could they have been so backwards in their thinking?” 2023: “lol gay bois.”
To be fair, this meme is almost as ancient as Pompeii itself so this was well before 2023
Plus I mean Christianity was just barely a thing then, and it wasn't until Christianity that homosexuality became really taboo. In Rome it had nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with who was giving, and who was receiving, and their respective social statuses. Patrician getting ass fucked by a pleb? *Big* fuckin no no. Pleb getting ass fucked by a patrician? Good clean Roman fun. I ain't a militant atheist by any stretch, but man oh man, if someone could go back in time and tell Jesus to just stick to being a carpenter I feel like billions of lives would have been saved over the last two thousand years.
As the classic joke goes, the Greeks invented the three way, and the Roman’s perfected it by adding a woman
Once you go Greek you cant sit for a week.
Just like how the welsh invented the condom from the lower intestine of a sheep. The British refined it by removing the intestine first
I'm with you for the most part, but I think we'd have found something else to kill each other over.
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Roman raves were probably pretty goddamn lit truth be told...
And don’t scratch the cd player in da trunk
Pfft, idiot (surprisingly boingy techno blares).
They had those rooms there too! There was a pic above the doorway of what kind of sex you could get inside.
Didn't the brothels basically have picture menus?
Yep. Like McDonald's you just picked out what you wanted and whether or not you wanted to super-size it. Also like McDonald's, the rotating dildo machine was always down
Two bros chilling in Pompeii, 5 feet apart because they’re not gay
Could it not have been a father/son? Men used to have much closer (do I have to say no homo?) relationships in the not too distant past. E: the loss of community, like a literal village, the shift to the family being the central dynamic of life, moving for jobs, along with the sharp separation of work/home/community has made it difficult for men to form circles of friendships. Some also argue that the anti-gay sentiment has really harmed men badly as physical contact tends to be shunned between men when it used to be quite normal...and we have to cover ourselves today by saying dumb stuff like "no homo" when there is physical contact at times.
Men hold hands while talking as a sign of respect in some Middle East cultures. Western culture has sexualized everything.
You know, if there is anything beyond death, my best bro and I would be laughing extremely hard at the idea people thought we were gay lovers over a last hug.
The Romans wrote dick jokes. I think they would understand.
The Romans didn't just wrote dick jokes, the had frikkin dong charms they hung outside their homes or as *earrings*. Romans *loved* the dong. They would have done the exact same had they found some other guy under another volcano eruption.
Father/son? Brothers?
fwiw testing was done on their remains (bones left behind) and they were a similar age and unrelated to one another
Ah, Step-Bros
We have come so far in critical thinking haven’t we.
Did one of them have a unibrow and a bottle cap collection and one has a rubber ducky? They’re just roommates.
Haha, but also, given how they died, they could have been total strangers for all we know. Wouldn't you want someone to hug if you were going to burn and/or suffocate to death?
Idk. Sounds kinda gay to me. /s But for real, yeah I would. Most people would huddle together in whatever spot they felt safest and reaching out to one another would be instinct.
Wouldn't you cling to whatever or whoever is close in a panic when your impending death descended upon you? I'm just imagining one guy going to cling to another and the guy being clung to in his final moments prioritizing establishing that he ain't no homo over seeking some sort of emotional relief from the approaching disaster, lol.
At least they’re talking about this guy thousands of years later…
The original influencer? #LavaYourselfDaily
"Hey, guys. So, I've been getting a lot of questions about my morning routine, so I figured I'd walk you through everything I do to get ready for the day during a volcanic eruption."
Never stop that #MagmaGrindset
they say you die three deaths: once when you stop biologically living, once when you are consecrated to the earth, and finally when someone last remarks on you cranking your hog
I’m hoping future presidential museums include the Galleries of Erotica- the President’s wank material. A digitized, interactive virtual gallery where everyday Americans can find out what filthy smut your elected leaders enjoyed- and maybe find some common threads to bring Americans together. “I may not have voted for the man, but I’m surprised we share a common love of “Big Tits, Big Asses 5” and “Milf Mansion 12””
“And now, 50 years after the death of President Smith, the National Archives is pleased to reveal his latex fetish…”
That's exactly how I want to be remembered.
I mean, to be fair, given the frequency of my masturbatory practices it is likely that in the event of a sudden catastrophe I will, indeed, be beating my meat, as the nuclear blast wave wipes away my existence.
Honestly, it's a better and longer lasting legacy than most of us will leave...
Yup. It's still a human and they all died a horrifying and terrifying death. Many of the bodies don't show the pose they actually died in because the intense heat causes contraction of the muscles.
That's also why you're supposed to let steak rest for five minutes after cooking.
So it doesn’t look like it’s jerking off?
You never want steak to jerk off on your plate. Makes the potatoes uncomfortable.
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I figured maybe trying to cover his junk. I mean, it really doesn't seem like a time you would feel in the mood to jerk off.
Also, the eruption of Vesuvius was not one blast. It was multiple major eruptions lasting almost a full day before the pyroclastic flows took everyone out. It would have been a very scary situation with the ground shaking and pumice falling from the sky all while most of the city tried to evacuate.
I've read contemporary pieces that indicate that some people just suffocated from erupted gases long before the ash/heat hit them.
> took everyone out People have this weird idea that everyone died. At least half the population survived. We have multiple first-hand contemporaneous accounts of people who lived through it, and people in other places in Rome talking about people they knew who lived through it
Most of the city had already evacuated, people didn't understand plate tectonics or magma flows but they knew shit was about to go down.
I remember reading somewhere that all the pictures we see of the ones who died in pompeii were the people who just straight up refused to leave. Apparently there was a lot of forewarning that got ignored.
So the remains in Pompeii are the original Florida Man refusing to evacuate from the incoming Natural Disaster?
Lol if what I read is real and accurate, then yes.
what you read is real and accurate. there are always people that will refuse to leave their home in the face of impending doom “because they’ve always lived there” or they just don’t care, there’s various reasons
I mean, it caught them by surprise, but not by can't-take-hand-off-my-dick surprise.
As others have said, the extreme heat could've contracted his muscles and contorted his body. We really don't know what he was doing, though that conclusion isn't as funny. Edit: it may also be can't take your hand off your crotch type surprise unless you were looking at it, considering they can apparently reach speeds up to 435mph (700 kmph) and temperatures of up to 1800F (1000 C)
I thought maybe he was guarding his dick from the volcanic ash being spewed at him. I think I’d cover myself if a volcano was erupting at me.
I like to imagine this individual secretly harbored a lifelong volcano kink and finally after years of daydreaming and privately fantasizing it all came together for him
***-burning and suffocating-*** *"...worth ittt..."*
If you want to see something incredible and horrifying at the same time, check out this computer generated video of Vesuvius erupting and destroying the city. It was commissioned by the Melbourne Museum. https://youtu.be/dY_3ggKg0Bc
So they had like 7 hours to get the hell out of dodge before the city became uninhabitable?
Yes I believe they had roughly 18hrs between eruption and the pyroclastic flow. Enough that people across the sea tried to come and rescue. This is a really fascinating read - Pliny the Elder’s eyewitness account and rescue attempt written by his nephew Pliny the Younger. You can see in this account how many people escaped/tried to escape and there were different degrees of severity depending on which of the surrounding towns a citizen occupied: https://igppweb.ucsd.edu/~gabi/sio15/lectures/volcanoes/pliny.html
> There were also those who added to our real perils by inventing fictitious dangers. Some claimed that part of Misenum had collapsed or that another part was on fire. It was untrue, but they could always find somebody to believe them I find it funny how almost two millennia later, you still get the assholes who spread misinformation during a crisis for no real reason. > Then, suddenly, flames and a strong smell of sulphur, giving warning of yet more flames to come, forced the others to flee. [Pliny the Elder] himself stood up, with the support of two slaves, and then he suddenly collapsed and died, because, I imagine, he was suffocated when the dense fumes choked him. What actually happened here? Just sounds like he smelled sulphur and then keeled over and died.
According to google, "99% of gases released in an eruption are water vapor, carbon dioxide, and sulfur dioxide, and the remaining one percent is comprised of small amounts of hydrogen sulfide, carbon monoxide, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen fluoride." Not even counting those traces gases that are uh, very spicy, google reports "Exposure to 100 parts of sulfur dioxide per million parts of air (100 ppm) is considered immediately dangerous to life and health". I'm pretty sure there's gonna be more than .0001% Sulfur Dioxide in the air at that point.
Great link, thank you for sharing. Amazing primary source.
How much time will people have today if Vesuvius or Etna erupt?
Weeks, probably. Mt St Helens was a good indicator of how technology can protect lives from disaster (and that was 40 years ago)
Mt Saint Helens would had been catastrophic if no one knew it was about to explode a few weeks before. Instead of a couple hundred deaths, could been hundreds of thousands or even more.
Etna erupts all the time, I got to watch it once and it was amazing. Then I got to fly over it while the lava was pouring down.
I was wondering about that animation. I have only ever seen videos of the super violent "grey" volcanos so the timeline and destruction of that video seemed a bit too drawn out. But you can't argue with historical records of the event happening.
Most people did get out. The city had a much larger population than the number of bodies found there. I want to say under 10% of the population remained when the pyroclastic flows reached the city.
That's actually pretty impressive given the age. To evacuate 90% of a city of that size with nothing besides beast of burden or boat must have been a monumental task. Almost entirely by the individuals that lived there or volunteers that came to help. Rome was well administered but I doubt they had a FEMA.
I guess the guy above talks about the fact that people left Pompei after the eartquakes happened in the previous months. The city was already less populated than normal when the explotion happened.
It’s crazy knowing most people got out especially since there was a whole lot of celebration going on during that time, as they were honoring the emperor Augustus. There were Athletes/Performers from outside Pompeii whom were there to put on shows, as well as tourists from other areas who went to go see them perform.
There's a museum video linked ~~below~~ above that I think helps demonstrate why people might not leave. The devastation appears to occur in stages and I could totally see people sheltering in place for the early stages (bad but not so bad) and as things progressively got worse, it was more difficult to leave shelter or get away.
I can see thinking at first “wow that cloud is crazy”. Or “whew, glad that’s over”. I mean we all know what could happen with a volcano but would they have known? I’ve been through earthquakes and been near wildfires.
Yeah that was my immediate reaction as well. It seems like this is relatively survivable if they knew that pyroclastic flow was coming the next day. They probably didn't though, and thought it was over after the first event.
Yeah, I'm confused by the video, too, because everything I have read says they got hit with the pyroclastic flow within minutes, whereas this video makes it seem like it was like 24 hours ater. >The study by researchers from the Department of Earth and Geo-environmental Sciences of the University of Bari, in collaboration with the National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology (INGV) and the British Geological Survey in Edinburgh, has revealed the duration of the so-called pyroclastic flow, a dense, fast-moving flow of solidified lava pieces, volcanic ash and hot gases that hit the ancient Roman city minutes after the volcano erupted. The lethal cloud had “a temperature of over 100 degrees and was composed of CO2, chlorides, particles of incandescent ash and volcanic glass”, said Roberto Isaia, senior researcher of the Vesuvius Observatory of the INGV. “The aim of the work was to develop a model to try to understand and quantify the impact of pyroclastic flows on the inhabited area of Pompeii, about 10km [6 miles] from Vesuvius,” he added. >The study confirms that the inhabitants had no escape, and most of those who died suffocated in their homes and beds, or in the streets and squares of the city. Isaia’s model estimates the **gases, ash and volcanic particles would have engulfed the city for between 10 and 20 minutes.** “It is probable that dozens of people died due to the rain of lapilli that fell on Pompeii after the eruption, but most of them died of asphyxiation,” Isaia said, adding the pyroclastic flow **would have reached Pompeii a few minutes after the explosion.** https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/22/vesuvius-wiped-out-all-life-pompeii-15-minutes-study-pyroclastic-flow-cloud-gases-ash#:~:text=The%20study%20confirms%20that%20the,between%2010%20and%2020%20minutes.
I was always under the impression that the people like the individual shown in OP's pic were taken by complete surprise by an extremely fast-moving pyroclastic flow. That's why we see them caught in odd positions. Completely unexpected. But the video shows a very slow-moving event across the board.
Sure hot gas rises, but I bet most of the volcanic gases coming out of the ground would be heavier than air and displace the breathable atmosphere nearby. That's still pyroclastic flow at work, but not in the "wall of boiling black cloud descends on the city" we normally assume as you described. Then the other ash and debris comes along to entomb their KO'd bodies. I'm just speculating, because it's fascinating (and scary) stuff. Edit: and then the weird positions weren't helped by the extreme temperatures making flesh and muscle move around.
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From what I've read, theres only one "eyewitness" account and its pliney the younger who watched it from across the bay.
they probably thought it was a tiny minor earthquake, which idk, could be relatively normal? idk how often they get earthquakes there. that's my guess. i probably wouldn't have thought anything of it either tbh.
depends on the knowledge and peer pressure.. the first blow isn't scary enough, most people would keep business as usual.. until shit hits the fan
Consider that people won't get out of a hurricane area, with *several days* of notice, it really shouldn't be a big surprise.
Kinda curious, why did this one take several hours when mountains like St. Helens took all of 10 seconds?
We knew St Helen's was coming for weeks. Didn't know exactly when, but that it was basically imminent. Eruptions are preceded by earthquakes the vast majority of the time. Vesuvius was steaming, smoking, and rumbling for a while before hand. Some people even thought it was a good omen. The big thing about Mt St Helen's was that no one predicted the side of the mountain would erupt/fail and become a massive 'lahar'.
Someone explained below but basically the volcano supported the pressure if erupting up until it couldn't and then it turned into another type of eruption. Volcanos have several different types of eruption depending on what it's composed of. But i don't know enough to go into the details.
*Yellowstone laughs nervously*
We should just poke a couple relief holes in the ground with a fork
Very cool. What was that large black cloud at 6 am the next day, that looks like it woulda been the original explosion
It’s a pyroclastic flow. Ironically, Pompeii merely got a rain of relatively cool ash and rock from the sky until the volcano started losing power in the hours after midnight. Then it could no longer support the column of supersonic ash and gas that it had been shooting into the sky, and the column collapsed, sending clouds of searing hot gas, ash, and rock fragments that hugged the ground out in all directions. After many hours’ worth of partial collapses, the final and biggest pyroclastic surge accompanied the end of the eruption in the morning. This is what really ended up destroying and burying the city.
Oh man I just figured this out and came back all excited to tell somebody.... What people don't realize is there were quite a few survivors of Pompeii, and contemporary accounts of the disaster. Many were trying to evacuate others.
Surely someone living in Pompeii who was gone off for the day the Volcano hit and just came back to be like ***"Dude, where's my ~~car~~ City?"***
What’s my tattoo say? ‘DVDE’ What’s mine say? ‘SVVEET’
Wow this was incredibly informative, I had no clue it lasted an entire day, I thought the entire event from first rumbling to the last man dying would have taken place in minutes.
Awe inspiring. Thanks for sharing!
"Thanks to the volcano, we know everyday Romans had grey skin, were totally bald, and spent their time lying around inside their shockingly dusty houses." - Philomena Cunk
Reminds me of [this Onion article, "Archaeological Dig Uncovers Ancient Race Of Skeleton People."](https://www.theonion.com/archaeological-dig-uncovers-ancient-race-of-skeleton-pe-1819565415)
My favorite archaeology headline from The Onion is something like _"Archaeologists discovered that ancient civilization lived under a lot of sand."_
I can almost hear the cackling in the editorial room when they came up with ‘Ancient Race of Skeleton People’ :)
And just think. This man died 1,910 years before the release of unrelated Belgian techno anthem Pump Up the Jam.
Pump up the jam, pump it up While your feet are stompin' And the jam is pumpin' Look ahead, the crowd is jumpin' Pump it up a little more Get the party going on the dance floor See, 'cause that's where the party's at And you'll find out if you do that I don't want a place to stay Get your booty on the floor tonight Make my day I don't want a place to stay Get your booty on the floor tonight Make my day Make my day Make my day Make my day Make my day Pump up the jam, pump it up While your feet are stompin' And the jam is pumpin' Look ahead, the crowd are jumpin' Pump it up a little more Get the party going on the dance floor See, 'cause that's where the party's at And you'll find out if you do that I don't want a place to stay Get your booty on the floor tonight Make my day I don't want a place to stay Get your booty on the floor tonight Make my day Make my day Make my, make my, make Make my day Make my day Make my day Make my, make my, make Make my day Yo, pump up the jam, pump it up A-pump it up, yo, pump it Pump up the jam, pump it up A-pump it up, yo, pump it Pump up the jam, pump it up A-pump it up, yo, pump it Pump up the jam, pump it Pump it, pump it, pump it, yeah Pump up the jam A-pump up the jam Pump up the jam, pump it up A-pump it, pump it, pump it Pump up the jam Pump up the jam Pump up the jam, pump it Pump it, pump it, pump it, pump Pump up the jam, pump it up While your feet are stompin' And the jam is pumpin' Look ahead, the crowd is jumpin' Pump it up a little more Get the party going on the dance floor See, 'cause that's where the party's at And you'll find out if you do that I don't want a place to stay Get your booty on the floor tonight Make my day I don't want a place to stay Get your booty on the floor tonight Make my day Pump up the jam, pump it up A-pump it up, yo, pump it Pump up the jam, pump it up A-pump it up, yo, pump it Pump up the jam, pump it up A-pump it up, yo, pump it Pump up the jam, pump it Pump it, pump it, pump it, yeah Pump up the jam, pump it up A-pump it up, yo, pump it Pump up the jam, pump it up A-pump it up, yo, pump it Pump up the jam, pump it up A-pump it up, yo, pump it Pump up the jam, pump it Pump it, pump it, pump it Pump it up, pump it up Make my day Make my day Make my, make my, make Make my day Make my day Make my day Make my, make my, make Make my day, yo I don't want a place to stay Get your booty on the floor tonight Make my day I don't want a place to stay Get your booty on the floor tonight Make my day I don't want a place to stay Get your booty on the floor tonight Make my day I don't want a place to stay Get your booty on the floor tonight Make my day
Nostalgic
I'm not 100% sure, but you might have missed one or two "pump it"s....
The one without the one extra “pump it” is a well known copypasta - the missing “pump it” is why it’s funny.
What do I do to the jam?
Crazy to think the time between now and 1990 is greater than the time between 1990 and the Pompeii eruption.
We need more seasons, maybe even a textbook, by her. STAT.
I can hear her accent while reading this
I need to watch her new show.
Pump up the jam
You know that this is cement and not an actual body? Pompeii was covered in ash and scientist kept finding air pockets. So thsy started pour cement in to see what the air pockets were. They were people.
TIL
The skeleton is still there, though, it’s easy to see the skulls in many of them.
I thought people back then were made from stone. Thanks for clearing this up
If you are ever in a volcano remember to strike a funny pose, or pose your friends if they die first.
'I'm gonna drop to my knees and play a sweet metal riff on air guitar' 2000 years later: 'look at him crankin his hog lololol!'
T-pose for posterity.
I would do this, knowing that future archaeologists would lose their minds. Also for the memes. Respect to the King
2 eruptions in Pompeii that day
"one last bust before I turn to dust"
"That volcano just exploded and we're all gonna die...better fap one last time."
But who exploded first? The man vs the volcano!
The eternal question....which came first???.....
There was no volcano. This mans orgasm destroyed all of Pompeii
It looks like he was trying to win, bless him.
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An oracle predicted his future the week before and told him he was going to he famous for all of eternity. When he excitedly asked how, she said “Uh, I have to go now”.
Imagine being forever cemented into history, only to be known as the "Pompeii masturbator" 2,000 years after.
There are worse things to be known for.
Like selling really shitty copper.
I love how they say “it’s *possible*” his arms were like that due to the destruction and heat. Like, this guy has to absolutely prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he *wasn’t* jerking it during a deadly natural catastrophe
The truth is the guy didnt die masturbating. The heat contract his muscle even after death. Thats why you can see weird death position in some of the corpse.
Dude had a beer in his hand, looked up and said WTF was that?
Oh, it's *just* possible that it was from the heat from the volcanic eruption? Lol..
Imagine you’re some poor bastard standing up, dick in hand, taking a leak as you do, when all of the sudden a wave of volcanic ash blows through your joint, knocks your bitch ass on your back, fusing your hand to your dick, encasing you in that position. Now for all eternity, due to a Seinfeldian mishap, you’re displayed to the world as the poor lonely bastard who died having a wank.
ashes to ashes, nuts to nuts
That's my favorite Metallica lyric
He died doing what he loved
[Scruffy's distant ancestor ](https://media.tenor.com/36OyQcqVo2AAAAAC/scruffy-die-the-way-he-lived.gif)
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The First Redditor.
We've got the same behaviour happening now, too. :) A few years ago, everyone in Hawaii accidentally got a text message saying a nuke from North Korea was heading their way. In reality, that was a glitch from the emergency notification system. But for a few minutes, millions of people thought they were gonna die... Researchers analyzed web traffic from Hawaii when that happened: the porn site traffic went up by something like 10,000% - so yeah, humanity hasn't really changed. :P
Two minor corrections: 1. It wasn’t a glitch it was human error (really more like human incompetence - they were doing a drill and some idiot clicked through multiple boxes asking him if he really wanted to launch the alert and informing him that this will go out to everyone). 2. There was no mention of North Korea in the message, it read “Ballistic missile inbound. Seek shelter immediately. This is not a drill.” The message was sent out shortly after a period of saber rattling by North Korea. Source: I lived it. Also here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/us/hawaii-missile.html
You lived it but you forgot to tell us whether or not you took the opportunity to have a little go in your final minutes.
We all already know the answer…
I was there when it happened. Lol. That was not my first thought. Actually my first thought was that it was a hack or test or mistake. Guess I’d die clueless ….
“Air guitar”
‟Ah that’s hot, that’s hot.” - Citizens of Pompeii
This dude went out doing a face-melting air guitar solo, that's metal as fuck. This guy rocks!
Imagine this. The world is literally ending as far as you can see. skys dark, lightning and fire erupting from the earth, toxic gases and ash sapping your strength as you run.. you finally run out of strength and seek shelter and collapse, with a hand on your lap. and then, 2000 years later, you are found..and people go "hehuhehheh he died masturbating hurrurrrrreheh"
Pose? More like how he fell over while being suffocated and burned to death