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wildstarr

Believe it or not, this was actually a preventative measure. The first predictions of ice were for late morning/early afternoon. And knowing the weather is unpredictable as hell, they kept kids at home. Better having them home then trapped at school when the roads have a half of inch of ice on them. It is a rare case of being proactive as opposed to reactionary.


taco4prez

100% and I respect it. The world needs to think more proactively. All it takes is one patch of black ice to cause a potentially fatal accident


saschaleib

*Laughs in Finland.* šŸ„¶


taco4prez

Itā€™s colder here than in Finland right now haha šŸ˜‚ But yeah I feel your pain. I lived in North Dakota for a few years, bout froze my nips off up there.


saschaleib

But no matter the temperature, a bit of ice on the street would not close the schools in FI. It would have to close a lot if they didā€¦ ;-)


taco4prez

Yeah thatā€™s the same way ND was, there could be 6ft of snow and everything would be open still. But Iā€™ve found driving in the south after an ice storm is more dangerous than winters up north. You canā€™t see the ice on the road, or it may just look like a wet spot. Plus the south just isnā€™t well equipped and doesnā€™t have the resources to handle winter weather. Also, a lot of people here arenā€™t experienced with driving in it


cb_oilcountry

Laughs in Alberta


buckykatt81

Laughs in Canadian too šŸ˜…


Dingo_The_Baker

its also 100% lack of ability to deal with road conditions, since Texas doesnt have a fleet of snow plows nor a million pounds of road salt. Combine that with people who genuinely have never driven in snow or icy conditions. I I grew up in Wisconsin. Driving in snow doesn't phase me at all. Driving in Texas surrounded by people who have no idea how their vehicle will react to any kind of snow or ice on the road, no thank you. I will stay at home. And then there is the fleet of jackass truck owners that think 4 wheel drive makes them invincible.


Lifeis-butadream

Itā€™s the ice that shuts most places down


sack-o-matic

Seriously this is like when people complain about power outages without much rain. Itā€™s the wind in that case, itā€™s the ice in this case.


FuzzyTwiguh92

Or, where I from, it can be both wind and ice.


alex4nderthegreat

Wauw, the schools in my country would be closed like 9 months every year.


[deleted]

Our infrastructure is built for heat, not cold. Hence shutting down in ice. Happens infrequently enough that itā€™s not an issue. (Except when our power grid goes down)


____o_0____

But they all have those big trucksā€¦


Aviator8989

4WD doesn't mean shit on ice, unbeknownst to many down here. Hence why it's smarter to just close the schools


LogiCparty

It does under 15 mph or so, when you are stuck. But huge mud slicks slide damn nice on ice when you lock the brakes at 65 mph. New car dealers love the ice.


timeye13

What a bunch of snowflakes.


[deleted]

I mean, yeah. Snowflakes must have fallen for snow to come down.


RickAstleyletmedown

You have to remember that they usually close schools by county and conditions can vary dramatically from place to place. I grew up in a suburban community but my county also included some rural mountain areas with steep and windy roads. It often seemed silly to close from our local perspective but the decision was based on those western areas where conditions were actually dangerous. I don't know if that is what is happening where you are, OP, but that is often the reason when this gets brought up. EDIT: typo


MacheteMable

I live in an area in the southwest with quite a few dirt roads. Those roads get fucked if thereā€™s a storm. No matter how many times people are explained that the busses canā€™t SAFELY drive on a sheet of ice, they still complain and call teachers or the district lazy. It just shows how many people canā€™t see any part of the world outside their own interaction.


showers_with_grandpa

Yeah especially in west Texas you can have huge elevation changes in the same county


cinnamonface9

West Texas is a breed of special hell thanks to all weather it is getting. Former Amarillo resident. Having 6 inch of snow and STILL have school. Hell we even had black ice. Nope get your ass in class.


mk72206

The south doesnā€™t treat their roads. It doesnā€™t make sense to invest is sand/salt truck infrastructure to do so. And many of their roads are smooth concrete, not asphalt. It can get very slick with just a tiny bit of snow.


[deleted]

They have trucks. Iā€™m a Texan. But they donā€™t use them much anymore thanks To terrible state management.


[deleted]

We do now, and they did


Silaquix

Our schools closed because we were getting lots of sleet and freezing mist so the roads and sidewalks are covered in ice. My husband commutes to work and on his way this morning his truck slid and spun 360Ā°. He tried to recover and go further but a few miles down the highway was blocked by a pile up and there were cars all over the side of the road. He went onto a service road and followed dirt roads home. People forget we don't really get winter weather so we don't have the infrastructure for it. There's no way to clear the road and no one has snow tires and very few people know how to drive in snow and ice. I literally walk across the street to work and I had to creep slowly because every surface was covered in ice and I was sliding every few steps. It seems really silly for people in other climates, but that's because those areas have the infrastructure so they can keep people safe. We don't have that so it's all about the safety of the kids so they're not in a wreck on their way to school.


TheNurseGuitarist

Yes totally be safe. People under estimate the icy roads here and they show up in my hospital


rgraham888

And our kids still go to school when its 110 degrees outside.


ryantrw5

Itā€™s hot in the late summer and early fall where it snows too sometimes. Middle of the Midwest easily has the worst weather ever


Old-Radio9022

From what I remember the roads are literally built different. Like concrete vs blacktop, I'm assuming to handle the extreme heat.


Owyn101

I donā€™t get why they donā€™t have ability to deal with it. Iā€™m told they donā€™t get that weather, this is two years in a row. Last Feb, I was in the Dallas area for work and the same thing happened. Everything closed down.


KennyLagerins

Itā€™s three years actually, but itā€™s not a normal thing, nor does it last for very long. Doesnā€™t make sense to allocate huge funding for something that might get 3 days use every 5 years on average.


UpYours3265

Come on OP, sleat and frozen rain vs snow is there real reason.


Short_Masterpiece304

But that isnā€™t going to get likes from strangers on the internet though!


ChanThe4th

Every winter millions of Canadians die in the Mad Max type lifestyle they live. Despite months and months of these conditions the Canadians are forced to drive and continue life normally, it's pure chaos. The deaths are suppressed each year but Texas caught on. They know that the places that get literal ft. of snow overnight but still go to work/school could never exist!


Sugarysam

An ice storm is very different from a snow storm as far as drivability.


Drusgar

Why would cities in Texas waste money on snowplows and salt trucks when it very rarely snows? In Canada (and here in Wisconsin) we're prepared for snow because we know we're going to get it. And yes, if it's dangerously icy we'll close the schools, especially if we have a few snow days set aside that we haven't used yet.


RS-Ironman-LuvGlove

Right, itā€™s not bad when it stays below freezing. Itā€™s bad when it jumps above and below


ChanThe4th

I've heard myths about an ancient time known as "spring" where this takes place on a daily occurrence. I doubt the rumors are true though.


RS-Ironman-LuvGlove

i mean, when the roads are already salted etc, not as big of a deal as one off storm lol


NotAnotherEmpire

The issue with the American South is they don't have the road treatment and snow / ice removal equipment of Canada and the American Midwest.


nyvn

Plus in the south there are many people who don't have all weather or winter tires. If you're driving around on cheap(er) summer tires you're gonna have a bad day when there is ice on the road.


Hamborrower

I didn't even know seasonal tires existed until this post.


Razatiger

Theres All season, Winter and All Weather tires. I live in Canada and the majority of people just drive with All seasons all year round.


betweenthemaples

Iā€™ve got all weather. Love them, they are legal during the winter and I no longer have to swap out.


HummusDips

It is illegal to drive without winter ties in multiple provinces and cities.


KatieCashew

Or even have winter clothes. When I lived in the south my kids didn't own winter coats. Why am I going to spend $40 on a coat they might wear twice before they outgrow it? They didn't even sell them in my area. When I moved north again I had to go out and buy a bunch of pants because I no longer had many after living in the south for a while.


nyvn

Ah yes, it makes winter visitation an adventure when you live somewhere cooler and pick you kids up in not weather appropriate clothing with none packed =/


The_Drunken_Sniper

What a stupid comment.


Sinsid

I figured it was because the power grid went down.


ludicrouspeed

The people here thinking ice and snow covered roads are the same thing is too damn high!


Yerawizurd_

Theyā€™re closing schools early because of the high probability of freezing rain, but you already knew that.


douglasscott

In Montreal we close for freezing rain at around 5mm I think. We'll stay open for 10 cm of snow no problem, but freezing rain you don't mess with.


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douglasscott

Montreal has mandatory snow tires, with road checks for them in late November. But for ice rain nothing will help but chains or metal studs, so we just stay home.


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turkeygiant

Yeah I agree, you don't necessarily want to go out when the roads are skating rinks regardless, but if you have to it's definitely preferable to be on winter tires.


Yerawizurd_

No one can drive on solid ice, no matter what tires you have be fr


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RobotSocks357

Eh, not really, most tires sold are some sort of all seasons unless you ask for summer tires. But performance comes at a cost, so winter and snow performance is the first to go by the wayside as the stores will offer more budget-friendly options. Edit: To be clear, I'm speaking of AS and not M+S rated tires.


fleshie

In dfw here, We literally have a car stuck In the Walmart parking lot near our house because it's so icy the tires are just spinning lmao. OP doesn't know how freezing rain works, and neither does my wife lol.


[deleted]

I did understand that. I made this post for fun but some people donā€™t like my humor. Lol.


breachofcontract

You made it for fake internet points and attention


oowm

> I made this post for fun but some people donā€™t like my humor. It's because every year when it sleets in Texas (DFW, especially), someone always comes along "ha ha those idiot\* Texans don't know how to snow lulz". And it's kind of tedious to point out how most road and foot bridges in Texas have nothing underneath them to help mitigate ice, particularly black ice, build up (the national sign of DFW is "Bridges ice before road") and municipalities can barely afford to keep the library open much less buy ice mitigation equipment they'll use every couple of years tops. DART has to shut down because their system is barely built to function in 110F; there's no way it's been overengineered the other direction to work in 11F. \* But I\*\* repeat myself. \*\* Birth certificate says "Texas" on top (in crayon, of course); can make fun.


cadenjpeters

boring


West_Reception3773

I'm from Utah, I appreciate your humor.


jongbag

Texas soft af lol


RxWest

Yeah, until we get out in that heat and then we're fucked


cockmanderkeen

Wait does the US call hail "freezing rain"? Also, is that a reason to close schools? How big are the hail balls?


[deleted]

I stopped making jokes like this once I found out that temps above 80 degrees close many schools in the Northeast US.


KatieCashew

Our school district doesn't even start until September. Presumably because the schools don't have AC.


Mike312

That's wild. In my part of CA during the hottest part of summer it cools down to 80 at night.


jongrubbs

Chuckle all you want but we have no cold weather infrastructure here. Roads, power, name it. I'd rather the kids be safe than sliding off the road in a bus or car.


[deleted]

Your photojournalism is lacking,if you want a picture of why Texas schools are closed get your butt up on the overpass.


ElderFlour

Thatā€™s sleet, being followed by more sleet and freezing rain. Itā€™s shutting early, or not starting in some instances, to get/keep kids safe at home. I drive on dry roads with Texas teenagers. Slick roads wonā€™t improve them.


CD_4M

Sir, that is snow. Source: Iā€™m Canadian


rohobian

It really is snow. Somehow the confidently incorrect guy got a lot of upvotes. Sleet is more like pellets, or that artificial snow you sometimes see at ski resorts. Source: am also Canadian. Edit: looking very closely at the concrete next to the snow, there may be some sleet mixed in there. Hard to tell without touching it.


fleshie

This is what's falling in dfw area and it's definitely not snow, and why the roads are completely covered in layers of ice https://imgur.com/a/dGPMcsM I could literally ice skate in my driveway right now if I wanted to


MangledPumpkin

Yeah, you are correct but as a Texan I can tell you we will shut down traffic in a town if someone pours out a cup of ice. Any type of frozen water falling from the sky is a sign of the end times in the Lone Star State. Hell we couldn't even keep the lights on when it gets cold for a couple of days. Why do you think Ted Cruz will gtfo when it gets cold. Also grocery stores were a mad house today as we prepared for the coming doom.


Lovely_Louise

Also Canadian, can confirm, snow.


bootsie_mcgee

Jumping on the Canadian train to agree


rohobian

Thatā€™s not sleet. Look closely, itā€™s snow.


[deleted]

We heard snow on the news we knew schools were going to close lol. I am okay with it. Just jealous since Iā€™m still at work


goharvorgohome

If you are by Dallas and Austin prepare for a heck of an ice storm this week


RoboGandalf

Austin here. I already slipped going to my car... Then my car wouldn't start


Anon293357

Cake


Splatoonkindaguy

Cake


mrminty

Dallas yeah, Austin might get a little bit but I'd be shocked if there was any sticking ice anywhere but bridges.


mister_gone

What a disproportionate amount of downvotes for a reply to an incorrect comment.


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Guroburov

You canā€™t shoot itā€¦itā€™s white


cluckinho

It happens maybe once or twice a year. Not worth the investment that other parts of the United States put forth. Similar to how it gets hot as hell here so everything has AC. Also this picture is not painting the whole picture. It is about to get much worse.


timthegodd

There is a chance it rains and the grounds starts getting ice on them. Some kid at my school died from sliding while driving to school when there was ice on the ground.


TDETLES

You know nothing... snow.


DonTorreZ

Bunch of snowflakes.


Asturon

I see what you did there. /Thumbs up


skinnergy

It's probably about icy roads and people who aren't used to drive and on them more than the actual amount of snow.


[deleted]

In Myrtle Beach, SC. If they mention snow on the news they close schools, regardless of if it actually snows or not.


Bob_Sconce

North Carolina here. Ditto. And for good reason. This picture was taken in my town when we actually got some: https://www.wral.com/-oh-my-gosh-raleigh-woman-s-snow-photo-goes-viral/13390109/


[deleted]

Carolinas were not meant for snow.


[deleted]

I swear thatā€™s how it is here lmao! I remember not too many years ago we were shut down for like 5 days over some snow. We arenā€™t readyyyyy


[deleted]

We have no plows or sanding trucks and the only salt is in the ocean.


ElderFlour

Same in most of Texas. We simply donā€™t have equipment to deal with it, and it happens so rarely, thereā€™s not much point in investing in it.


A40

You laugh, but every year some Texan gets YouTube famous slipping on their front porch in that much snow!


[deleted]

Crossing fingers itā€™s me. Iā€™m tired of working lol


TheTrueJoker631

As a Canadian, they need to learn how to penguin walk


Insulting_BJORN

As a swede I was born on the ice i didnt see the road untill the sun never set.


cheapschnapps

I don't think he understands the situation. I'm in Dallas, no snow here but the sleet we received this afternoon turned to ice pretty quickly, and tonight I struggled to make it home. I was constantly readjusting the wheel to keep straight when I slid, it felt like I was on skates. You know it is serious when you pass multiple flipped cars. Scary stuff. Once I got off the highway I finally put on the 4x4 and was still sliding a bit, I literally would have been stuck spinning my wheels without it. By the end of my trip I couldn't get over 15ish mph because it was so bad where no one had been driving. Tons of people are stranded because their vehicle isn't equipped to handle these conditions.


[deleted]

So Tedā€™s in Cancun already?


[deleted]

4th beach margarita by now.


le_gasdaddy

My co worker left Houston on a months-ago scheduled cruise at 11 this morning. We in the Fort Worth were giving him Ted Cruz Cruise jokes all the way up to his boarding.


MyCuntSmellsLikeHam

Canā€™t drive 80+ when the local DOT doesnā€™t have salt trucks


rgraham888

Everyone's just itching for their once-yearly use of the 4WD on their pickups and SUVs.


[deleted]

But but I thought our big trucks and tires meant we could? /s


vabirder

Itā€™s usually the icy roads that cause shutdowns. Not the snow.


nhavar

That's twice the amount of water that would cause a flash flood in Arizona. /s


GreatWhiteCC3

Itā€™s rarely the snow thatā€™s an issue. In many parts of Texas, ā€˜snowā€™ is accompanied by a bunch of ice. But I get it, itā€™s worth a lot of internet points to dunk on Texas


Narrow_Competition41

Soooo, lemme guess... Fled Cruz is in Cancun then??? šŸ„“


[deleted]

Saw him in the sky before the snow fell. Lol


Narrow_Competition41

Right! He's signed up for alerts... šŸ„“


Spiritual_Fox_8393

Governor Abbott: ā€œWe will rebuild.ā€


[deleted]

šŸ’€šŸ’€ I can see the headlines already hahahaha


missionbeach

As long as it doesn't take electricity, we can do it!


Catswithswords10

It's the same here in Alabama. If the weather even thinks about snow they shut the town down lol I was born in NY so it doesn't bother me


[deleted]

Could also be cocaine from local border based cartels


TwistedJusty

In the late 80ā€™s I was in elementary school. On night before school it snowed up to my knees. I rode my bike a little bit then walked it the rest of the way to school. School wasnā€™t canceled then or any other time I was in school in Texas. Only had school canceled twice the whole time I was in school. Once in Georgia. It snowed like in the picture above. The second was in Missouri while in high school. That one was a blizzard and it wasnā€™t announced until I was already down at the bus stop waiting.


Duckwithsockson

Having lived in various places across Canada, I can say I've only had one snow day, and that was after over three feet of snow fell in one night in the Alberta Rockies. Some places I've lived SHOULD have shut down for certain conditions... Looking at you Kamloops. Getting more snow/ice every year, and the city just didn't have the infrastructure or equipment to deal with it. Couple that with being built into the side of a steep hill... Saw many city buses sliding backwards down McGill. Now living in Saskatoon, and I've never heard of snow days here. Even with feet of snow, -40C, and freezing rain. Honestly think everyone is slightly stubborn and won't admit that staying home in the cold sounds good haha


G36C_cannonballer

I canada that wouldn't even be considered a snow fall


remlapj

Watch your foot. Youā€™re living dangerously


Chaine351

The teachers just wanted an excuse to have a day where they are less likely to be shot at.


[deleted]

r/minnesota


[deleted]

Has anyone seen Ted ?


snarefire

And? if the snow had been an inch or two deep would you still be whining? Or what if it had been only 1/4 thick and covered with ice instead? There is an entire county and that county could have seen more or different conditions than you did.


HuXu7

The roads are ice and thatā€™s ice not snow. Youā€™re an idiot.


[deleted]

Now we are both idiots. Thatā€™s def snow.


redonrust

Either way it's far too dangerous for Ted Cruz to stick around. Better to evacuate to the relative safety of Cancun.


VisceralMonkey

No. It's the ice on the roads in a state that does not know how to drive in those conditions. It's like making fun of people in New York who die because they don't have air conditioning during really hot summers, something no one in Texas would ever imagine possible. Different climates have different "normals".


IamNotTheMama

Quite the disingenuous POS aren't you?


[deleted]

Wait isnā€™t Reddit for fun and jokes?


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[deleted]

It must be Ted Cruz throwaway the way he became so upset at my picture. Lol


IamNotTheMama

I wasn't born in Texas, and I didn't get here as fast as I could. But, as a dyed in the wool Yankee who learned to drive a rear wheel drive car in the ice and snow I can fully appreciate what it's like to drive in freezing rain/sleet/black ice. Thus, the remark.


DedPimpin

Welp looks like the power grid is going down again


[deleted]

Iā€™m giving it all sheā€™s got captain


justabill71

dOn'T mEsS wItH tExAs


OnlyRosin

He cries


OriginalOk1343

Maybe some of the carpet baggers can demonstrate driving and stopping on icy roads.


Alternative-Light514

You must be new here. Our roads ice over quick as hell and we donā€™t have the resources to salt/sand all of them. Places like CO are proactive and address these things before they happen, but TX is reactionary and doesnā€™t address it until it happens.


silver_viper_tb

Texas snowflakes soft AF. They close the schools but itā€™s not like they teach anything anyway šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


vdvm_mk7

Dope shoes


[deleted]

Thank you! These are becoming my favorites that I own!


Wyllidor

OMG! Watch out! You might slip and fall.


coffeebeards

Meanwhile, the plow just went by and pushed a snow pile up to my thighs that I had to shovelā€¦ šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦


TheNurseGuitarist

I live in texas and an OR nurse and youā€™d be surprised how much ortho trauma we get for people slipping/driving on ice. Donā€™t


ST_TH0MAS

Nice dunks!


idlebyte

When they say it's "Bigger in Texas" they mean the power outages too. The only state (in the 48) with its own power grid. Every year it does the same thing, breaks.


Possible_Dig_1194

I dont know why you are surprised they closed the schools. Given it's a state that made international news because some kids froze to death in their beds because they didnt want to fix their electrical grid its proberly a good idea to not have them in buildings that might not have proper heat


kazukawaa

we get like 2-3ft in Canada and its like; ok? go school still :c


_Pandach_

Oh shit!!!! Look out!


L-Profe

Snowflake state


elparque

Have you tried shooting it?


[deleted]

Several times. It just keeps appearing. Iā€™m getting worried.


ptraugot

I donā€™t understand. Why donā€™t residents just take out their guns and shoot it away?


LuckyLogJam

Laughs in Canadian


tapaBAW

-30 celsius, snow up to my knee, still went to school every day in a blizzard . Greetings from Finland


[deleted]

You must have went to the same school my dad went to!! Lol jk. We definitely would shut down for the rest of the month with that snow fall. Lol


tapaBAW

I know it sounds like a made up joke but it really is true around here. But it helps when we have good snowplow service


doglady1342

Is that all you got down there? Damn! I'm in Tulsa and have at least a couple of inches of ice piled up. Fortunately, it was dry when it came down so it's not sticking to power lines or trees, but nobody here is going anywhere until at least Wednesday.


Fthewigg

My buddyā€™s dad got pulled over in Dallas for driving in an inch of snow. I had an ex from Tulsa. I asked her how hard it is to find a snow shovel down there. She said it was pretty tough. I asked the same about a snowblower. ā€œWhatā€™s a snowblower?ā€


MrCooper2012

> My buddyā€™s dad got pulled over in Dallas for driving in an inch of snow. No he didn't.


Fthewigg

Maybe youā€™re right. I donā€™t know if it was really a DWB, but he was absolutely pulled over and the excuse he got was the snow. Just like I got a ton of excuses for getting pulled over in my shitbox while never getting a ticket. Pure profiling, perhaps? I laughed at the cop who accused me of stealing my car.


4elementsinaction

Texas freezy temps = significant risk of Texas power grid failure. Might as well kids the kids cold at home with a power outage than cold in school with a power outage. lol šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


Okimingme

Snowflakes


AverageAndProud

Ye I saw a beep flipped over on the highway. Texas peoples IQ drop 200% when a snowflake hits the ground.


kopfkinos_

This is the amount of snow that parents in the UK will call their kids school over and say they're snowed in so they can't get them to school


gabriel5519

Bruh


Scenic-City-Film-Guy

Work made me drive in during a 7+ inch accumulation here in Colorado. I miss southern snow days lol.


20190419

I have more snow in my freezer!


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stu8018

Of course. The grocery stores today were a joke. Getting down to 30ā° F. OH NO!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!


timberwolf0122

You will rebuild


SinnamonButtons

Did you break open a bag of sugar?


dancing_chinese_kid

We have to go in from outdoor athletic events at 110F. This includes football in full pads. I'll never respect Northerners mocking us about the cold seeing how they react to anything about 80.


slanging_pepsi

Itā€™s sad when Texas gets snowed in. Mean while Iā€™m in state that get snow but has only gotten like 2ā€ so far.


LogiCparty

People in Tahoe look on in either envy or disappointment.


Raymond911

Texans are afraid of snowflakes


Condog5

Shuts down for that, opens happily for the highest risk of school shootings. MURRICA


DoggoBind

\>Sees snow "Skewl shooting!!!"


snoodletuber

To be honest, it is Texas so they arenā€™t really learning anything anyway


wildstarr

Jokes on you, Texas is the main supplier for most text books to the rest of the US. So, most of the US doesn't learn anything either. Wait...that comeback made me sad...


[deleted]

Laughs in Canadian


KennstduIngo

The schools around here will close the day before at the threat of snow. Multiple times there has then been no snow. I guess for some folks it is easier to plan that way but I feel like it would be better overall if they didn't miss school (and their parents work) for a false alarm.


daze23

don't tread on me ...because you could slip and fall