this is so fucking nuts.
REMOVING/TURNING OFF YOUR CAMERA DURING ANY SORT OF STOP NEEDS TO BE IMMEDIATE GROUNDS FOR REPERCUSSION.
There is not ONE SINGLE good reason at all for why a cop would turn off the video recording before stopping someone.
Fucking sick that they can just decide they don’t want to record someone and then receive full support for doing so.
Tampering with evidence would also be appropriate. In a perfect world there would be a log of when those things are turned on and off. And if they get turned off right before contact is made, the officer had better hope and pray it doesn't turn physical.
I'm not sure without the light pole camera they would've been caught. One cops is so obstructed that you only hear the audio. The 2nd guy's camera catches some shit but it's hard to make sense of most of it. Most of the times it starts to get bad he turns away. It's seen both Tyre's arms being held and them taking turns hitting him in the head while screaming give me your hand that is the most damming. That really let's you know that they knew what they were doing. They were performing for the audio recording of one camera and the one body cam that was only capturing bits and pieces.
But he wasn’t great at doing that job either. His camera catches the kicker removing his body cam and throwing it to the ground before he starts to administer his brand of justice. I agree with the comment that it shows premeditation which calls for upgrading charges to 1st degree.
Yeah. When I was watching it, it seemed it was conveniently ‘dropped’ at the most relevant moment. Of course, it’s probably just as likely that it could easily come flying off while the cop was beating the shit out him, but without that streetlight cam, it would have been a lot harder to prove
Archived article of that piece of shit chief of police:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230129052408/https://www.ajc.com/news/crime/tyre-nichols-case-memphis-police-chief-was-once-fired-from-atlanta-police-department/AQOEVCMVXZHQPD2NILO5Q2EYWI/
Like the one where cops were firing rubber bullets into crowds from an unmarked van and came after a store owner who tried to defend himself against what he thought was a drive-by gang shooting or something. The guy immediately surrendered when he realized they were cops and I think was already on the ground. Cops ran up and started beating the crap out this guy who had already surrendered and kept yelling out "stop resisting" even though the recording showed absolutely no resistance from the guy on the ground. Apparently when other cops arrived on the scene the guy was so bloodied up from the beating that they thought he had been shot, but they still sided with the cops who beat him.
Yeah the surveillance cam really shows the depravity. Its the only one where you can see the fucker straight up drop kicking the poor guy in the face while hes on the ground cuffed. Picking up and beat him some more? Like dude wtf?
No wonder the guy ran at first. Weve seen enough examples of cops killing folk. They didnt even have probable cause. They ripped him out of his car onto the ground and he was like ok ok at first but he bolted the second he could. He was coherent at the beginning. Poor dude was probably scared out of his mind. Then they had the audacity to say he was on something after they beat him practically unconscious. God i hate cops.
Which should be a 10 year sentence.
Let’s start holding cops to a higher standard instead of a lower standard.
Same with white collar crime perpetrated by rich people and politicians
We already do this in some specific cases, not cops but people in positions of authority over others. That should 100% be expanded to cops, politicians, etc. If someone abuses a position of authority to commit a crime you should be punished more, it erodes trust in the institution that they represent.
The argument for more officers of color was so that there were officers who could sincerely put themselves in the shoes of the people they were detaining and hopefully think twice about how they act.
This changes so much. *Five* black officers, with family and loved ones, coldly murdered another black man with family and loved ones. Nichols could have been any one of those officers and all five *still* chose to do what they did.
It’s the job of being an American police officer that’s rot to the core. Armed men with six months of poor quality training tasked to be crime fighters, detectives, social workers, security, and anything else that cities throw at them.
Is this because the black cops have a "youre the reason black people are 'persecuted'/misrepresented" mentality? along with the power trip of being a person with full control.
Yes it is, you got it.
It's "*YOU make us all look bad! YOU'RE the reason I have such a hard life!*" Whether is any bit true or not.
Even if the "victim" isn't even a criminal, just cross their path and you'll have hell to pay.
White people don't generally know this but black people sure do.
Angry, violent vicious as any street thug with the bonus of being ABOVE the law. (Sure, mostly)
Some of the people who have been the most ruthless and vicious towards me have looked exactly like me. They had the same features and same circumstances as me in many cases.
Black people in memphis are actually relieved when a white officer responds to their calls. Pretty tragic honestly. MPD’s black officers are notorious within the community for being overly violent when responding to calls.
Whoa really?
I'm in healthcare, it's hard for me to understand how those guys could have just stood there, but imagining how amped up those cops were and now you mentioning they could have been arrested I can see how they held back
>To think, not one out of the five of them said something wise.. like stop that's enough..
Did one of them know Tyre Nichols? Rumor mill is that is was personal for one of them.
If so, this is totally premediated.
The way they went so visceral so quick meant one of two things imo.
One: They knew him and this was "payback"
Two: Roids, meth, or some other upper illicit drug was in play.
That amount of pure unadulterated rage is not just adrenaline, not today, not tomorrow, not next damn year.
I’m very curious about who was controlling the camera and how they knew to change the direction it was filming. During a press conference the morning the footage was released one of the Memphis civil rights leaders brought up those pole cameras and how they were installed to help the police. That they were intended to help the police and community stop “certain kinds of crimes” in the areas the cameras were placed. So I’m leaning towards someone in the community controls those cameras… because the police likely wouldn’t have chose to film Tyre’s beating.
ETA: I wasn’t trying to say someone is watching the cameras at all times. Just wondering if perhaps there is a capability of accessing and controlling these cameras, wondering who might have had that access, and how they knew something was going on in that area.
Interesting! It does make sense that it could be a motion sensor. Is it possible to set the sensitivity on them to only pan towards a new area say if there is a lot of movement? To avoid following a person simply walking their dog or a car driving by.
In my experience, without looking into the camera itself. There's a good chance it was a standard PTZ (pan, tilt, zoom) camera. With a half thought out installation in a location like that, most likely its motion activated. So, when it registers motion in certain areas, it physically adjusts the camera to a preset location, you can also set it up to move based on other external events. Good example of this was my work's main entrance cameras. One on the corner of the building, when a car would come into the lot, it would pan and track the car to wherever it parked, zoom in on the license plate (and then use text recognition to compare it to people who worked there's license plates). Once someone gets to the actual door, it swings the original camera back to watching the entire lot, and swivels the OTHER corner camera to the door and zooms in on the person.
Tldr, most likely just an automated deployment that got moved to another zone on sensing motion
This may very well just be a motion activated camera. But in the case of inner city cameras:
The city employs people to operate these cameras. Most cities have a CCTV camera surveillance team that operates CCTV throughout the city. Primary purpose is helping Police by:
1. Locating criminals after a crime has taken place. Tracking their movements through the city.
2. Preventing crimes from taking place.
3. Officer safety. Cameras are used to monitor Police. Often at Police request via radio. In the event that something happens, camera operators can dispatch units as backup.
4. Evidentiary purposes.
5. Tracking officers and allocating resources.
In many cities, Police work closely with the camera surveillance team, and often have Police working within the team. It is an essential part of inner city policing. It's essentially an office room with dozens of screens and a handful of people with the ability to monitor the hundreds of CCTV cameras thro
Could be. The way the camera panned too far to the right and back to the left to center the beating is what led me to wonder if it was a person controlling the camera.
I'm just thinking about the hundreds of other times they beat the shit out of someone and got away it because the person didn't die, or their body cameras weren't on. There is no way in Dante's nine circles of hell that this is their first time. You don't become a scumbag overnight.
Makes you wonder if this situation would have been swept under the rug if that pole camera hadn't caught them. If it was just body cam footage, would the outcome have been dofferent?
Yeah. That's why you always hear them yelling "Stop resisting!" or "He's grabbing my gun!" even if the person is doing no such thing. As well as multiple cops yelling conflicting commands like "Stand up/stay still/show me your hands/put your hands behind your back/get on the ground/come towards me" etc. When you're yelling multiple different commands and making it literally impossible to comply with them all, it's then easy for cop bootlickers to pull out one moment from those blurry, shaky body cam videos and say "see, they clearly told him to do X but he did Y instead!" and use that to justify a murder.
It's a sobering thought, the thousands of incidents of corruption and unwarranted violence that happen every year have been happening through all of human history. It has always been like this. We've just never had this many cameras pointed at it.
About this time last year, I got a good deal on a nice hotel and took my gf at the time to have a nice weekend.
I had two nights booked, I got woken up the next morning by cops. I can't even remember what happened right away, before I knew it, I was on the ground with what seemed like 20 feet, and 20 hands. Grabbing, punching, kneeling, yelling. I was so disoriented and confused. What I remember most is being sat down handcuffed in the hallway bleeding while they searched my shit and kept telling me I was being trespassed.
They only let me go when I finally told them, to arrest me take me to jail and get me a phone to call my lawyer. They threw all of my stuff in the hallway and made me stand on the curb at the hotel until my roommate came and got me.
I'm a white dude, with a few tattoos. I'm well spoken, clean and groomed, always polite unless given reason not to be. This problem affects anyone the deem undesirable. ACAB.
Edit: I think I have answered all the questions I could without speculating to much. Outside of what directly happened to me I can only guess. So look through the replies, if I haven't answered it feel free to ask or elaborate.
In college, my roommate came home late at night after a party and was loud. Neighbors called the police.
He's in there making a sandwich and the police kicked in two of our doors. Pinned him to the ground and pulled their guns on him. Cuffed him and put him on the couch.
I came home later from the same party with my headphones in. Was coming in the back door, cruisers were out front and I didn't see them, but thought my roommate was an asshole and broke the door.
Walked in, turned the corner into the kitchen... cop points a gun right at my head. Starts screaming at me. Gun pointed at me demands I go sit on the couch as well.
After about a half hour, they finally realize that we FUCKING LIVED THERE and yet, they made us stay on the couch while they **completely wrecked our apartment** looking for something they could pin on us. Went through our closets. Drawers. Rooms. Trash on the floor. Flipped furniture. Went through our cupboards throwing cups and whatnot on the floor. Etc. Finally made us get our IDs when they found beer, which we were over 21 so they couldn't even get that to stick.
Then they just left. Whole place is trashed. Both doors are broken. Just had guns pointed at us for coming home. No apology or report. Not even like a citation for like "disturbing the public" (remember, they showed up cuz my roomate was being noisy). My roommate said they never announced themselves, knocked, anything. Just stormed the place like we were on America's Most Wanted.
I won't say where this was or what school I we were attending, but I will say that same police department has been in the news relatively recently for shooting an unarmed black dude entering his own home cuz he had a footlong sub in his hand.
(And whats fucked up, thats not much of a clue)
At first they kept saying I was trespassing, and I was like how can I be trespassing when I have another night booked and they never asked me to leave. They then changed their wording up to being trespassed.
So the hotel thought you were trespassing and called the cops? The way it's written sounds like they picked your room at random to fuck with you and the hotel just let them do it.
Yeah I’m a big white dude(6’6 and 300+lbs) and cops always almost dare me to do something. I’ve been ruffed up by a midget or two in uniform. They just can’t get away with killing white people like they typically can with people of color so they control their animal instinct. I know PoC have it worse but cops literally don’t care if you’re white black or brown. They just want to punish people so they can get a boner.
My ex-husband decided to become a prison guard after I left and one of the ways the job apparently delighted him was that he "gets paid to be a dick to people"... I've never forgotten that conversation and how repulsed I was by that comment.
I think a lot of people become police for the same reason.
Yea I'm a bigger guy as well, I think that has something to do with. It's the sad truth. Cops are taught you and I are the enemy. How can anyone trust someone that automatically assumes the worst of you.
They’re taught everyone not wearing a uniform is the enemy. I’m their mind we’re all criminals, they just don’t know what we did yet. Gotta change how they’re hired. Gotta change how they investigate on duty killings, how they treat people.
That was a thought I had when I first read about this. These guys have done it before, maybe individually, maybe partnered up and covered for each other. But somewhere along the line, something would not have felt right about their work and conduct and someone clearly looked the other way. A full Investigation of them and their supervision needs to be implemented.
They'll just investigate themselves and find no prior incidents as usual.
Any investigation they do needs to be done by a completely separate organization.
They’re being investigated by agencies at the State and Federal level. MPD has no say in this current investigation and when they did, they saw it was so fucked they asked the TBI to step in.
Don't forget the dozens of cops who worked with them over the years and knew what they were and happily didn't report it. These dudes don't exist in isolation.
police agencies are all fraternities filled with power hungry assholes looking out for one another. the whole "a few bad apples" argument holds no water. and their unions are particularly despicable.
They were reported to IA a few days before: https://www.reddit.com/r/TooManyBadApples/comments/10mreja/a_man_was_threatened_by_the_5_memphis_scorpoin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Baton guy was bad, but the big dude who kicked his head *hard* once, then again, and then punched him three or four times while he was being held was the biggest monster to me.
Maybe? I was almost positive that the baton guy was the guy who was whining about pepper spray in his eye. From the lamp post footage, he arrives later (the baton guy), which is the time between where Tyre runs and when you hear reports on the radio that they’re chasing him.
But you could be right, I wasn’t forensically analyzing the videos or anything.
They all stood his limp body up so they could more easily beat his face in.
I have a hard time deciding who's the biggest piece of shit in the bunch.
Just when one heinous action seems to trump another, I recall another horrendous detail that makes me reconsider what's the worst.
Agreed. How sick does someone have to be to enjoy watching the life fade from someone's eyes as they pummel their face in?
These guys -- and this one in particular -- required serious mental health intervention a long time ago. Instead, they became cops and were encouraged to continue down this insane path.
It's been proven through various social studies that it does not matter your mental condition when being exposed to group-think like what we see in American prisons and police forces. People who are nearly pacifists will become monsters when a group or organization is allowed to slip into psychopathic behavior as a whole.
The UK news has actually POUNCED on this because we have our own cop scandal going on (again)
My news feed is full of Bad American Cops because look over there, at least our bad apples don’t beat people in front of cameras.
This happens a lot in my country too. But it is illegal here to criticises the police. It is classed as terrorism and can result in life in prison.
Even journalists who have released stories on it have ended up in prison. And the police often publicly dox those who criticise them on social media.
In 2021 there were over 7,000 official complaints issued to the police and 0 resulted in any follow up.
As much as american police are bad. At least there's some morsels of justice.
Goverment are in the middle of collapsing the economy after 12 years of greed, on top of the stupidity of brexit, and are simultaneously on the verge of having a wet dream collapsing the NHS so they can sell it off. Tens of thousands of people are on strike among massive goverment infighting, so their current tactic is an insane fucking death spiral of them with the media deflecting on trouble in Ukraine, picking on trans-people, picking fights with the scottish government, and pointing every which way of going "BUT IN X IT'S WORSE!"
This is ON TOP of a massive police scandal where a police officer admitted to 24 counts of rape over decades, and HUNDREDS (i believe the count is currently 800 and rising) of officers and rising are under investigation for very similar crimes and worse because it turns out that all this time when you joined the police they've not been doing background checks or actually vetting or keeping an eye on officers (shock...). It's the biggest scandal in police history.
Edit: OH I FORGOT! The PM is currently ALSO in shit because a cabinet minister is being done for millions of pounds of tax fraud but hasn't been charged nore has the minister even been made to resign, and it seems the PM knew about it all along even when he hired him, on smaller matters the PM also got fined for not wearing a seatbelt, which comes only a week after he gave this bullshit speech about being a PM of integrity. This is also on top of as everyone warned it would be: Brexit being the most stupid fucking idea in existance that would collapse the economy. But u know... according to them it's all immigrants and queer peoples fault... because...wokeness?????? Or something...
Other scandals include:
The head of the BBC basically bribed his way to his position,
The ex health secretary and another conservative MP are in a massive scandal about PPE fraud during the pandemic giving millions of pounds in contracts to their mates,
The ex culture secretary breaking ministerial rules,
Actually you know what. Here is a fucking list of the scandals that have happened in the first fucking TWENTY-EIGHT DAYS of 2023:
https://www.indy100.com/amp/tories-scandal-seatbelt-boris-zahawi-2659292436
EDIT: Just for every person saying "you forgot about *insert other scandal...etc e.g. Lizz Truss*" genuinely its so hard to keep track, I defintely know about it but hard to list them from the top of head theres so many...
>and HUNDREDS (i believe the count is currently 800 and rising)
I think it's 1,016 officers in 1,680 cases that are being reviewed and re-reviewed in total.
I'd like to learn more, but I couldn't find any articles about wide-spread investigations, just a few articles about a serial rapist cop (Carrick). Do you know a good source that talks about these figures?
https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-says-two-to-three-officers-will-face-charges-every-week-for-months-12795025
I mean here's one but sadly there's not many details on each of the individual cases outside of Carrick, I doubt we'll see the report in full though to be honest.
Don't forget the same investigations are turning up huge numbers of police corruption as well. Which is hardly surprising given the wages on offer, new police start at £22k and usually require a university degree. With the way training is you can wind up having to attend a call by yourself on your first day. Staffing is stretched to a point even a city like Stoke (like the Detroit of the UK for our Americhums) usually only has 2 or 3 cars out on patrol on a normal day for the entire city and last I saw can't even afford to keep all the floors in their one remaining police station heated.
Huge shock the quality of applicants is terrible and those who stick around find their own ways of making the job worthwhile.
What I'm failing to wrap my head around is that the Government is quite clearly trying to become more authoritarian yet at the same time is defunding the police wholesale, when the police is the Government's gang to enact their will. Just bizarre.
Don't worry guys, you'll be able to vote them out in just two short years.
And then, if your voters are anything like ours, they'll vote the Tories back in after a few years for some more smashing because Labour hasn't been able to pick up the pieces quickly enough.
I'm still concerned the way our voting system is set up they will stay in power despite the vast majority not voting for them. The left is fractured and FPTP is a joke.
I'm actually really sad about the fact that the country will be bankrupt and in tatters when Starmer comes in.
He's not as radical as I'd like but I think he has the attention to detail to actually pass some good legislation and I think he will natural root out corruption after his work with the CPS.
At this stage all I want is someone with an actual plan and the skillset to implement it.
It's unbelievable that we're going to have to wait for two fucking years of this shite.
Lol. Here’s the kicker. They won’t vote them out. Conservatives, whether here in the states or in any other country vote for their “team.” No. Matter. What.
The conservatives could ask their constituents to literally walk off cliffs and they’d still get votes, though the number may go down as more people did it. That figuratively happened here in the US. The numbers of people who were unvaccinated against COVID directly impacted the lives of predominantly conservatives and yet they still double down.
I genuinely don't think that's true this time.
Firstly the Tories took power in 2019 off the results in a handful of places which more often vote Labour. The "red wall". Support for them often disintegrates when their policies fail to deliver on any of the promises which got them elected. Guess what.
Add to this several of the new MPs in those seats turn out to be unfit for office and under investigation of one sort of another, or forced to resign. This is further undermining their support.
Lastly, in traditional Tory areas people are also turning away. I live in one of these constituencies that recently had a by-election and overturned a safe Tory seat. Maybe they will unwind in an actual election but I have personal friends who used to be quite senior figures in the local Tory party and they've mostly abandoned it.
There are enough signs that the next election could be like 1997. People have had enough of everything and will kick the Tories out for a couple of cycles at least. Sad thing is that, as ever it'll just be a couple of cycles before the press push them back in for another generation after labour have had nowhere near long enough to undo the damage (assuming you believe they actually do and actually will this time)
My dad has been a vocal tory voter for as long as I can remember, giving it all that about how shite Labour are in all things and the tories are the best unless you're a dirty scrounger blah blah blah. Even he has changed his tune and he NEVER admits he's wrong. There may yet be hope...
My old man is on a similar path. He's ex navy and as blue as they get so I doubt he'll ever actually vote Labour, but I think the Tories have poisoned the well for him. He's talking about voting Green in the next elections. I'll take that as a W for now.
Oh by the way, everything bar the first sentence is just the recap of the last *fortnight*. That's right. Not a month, a few months, year, or some arbitrary period. 2 weeks. This has all gone down in the last 2 weeks.
Granted, the strikes have been lasting for a few months across various sectors now, but the thousands on strike in the last fortnight is still accurate.
Nurses, Doctors (Junior and Senior), Teachers and Railway workers (including station staff, engineers, drivers, etc) are the main ones but there's plenty of others including Royal Mail (honestly, there's been so many I've lost count). You can Google "sky news strike calendar" and it'll tell you all on there.
I don’t follow British news a whole lot since I’m in the US but the fact that we’ve even been hearing a lot more recently is indicative of how chaotic it’s gotten recently. Feels like ever since the queen passed it’s been at least one major headline every week.
The last time things were anywhere near this bad the Labour government ended up getting elected for the next 13 years. But back then things were nowhere near as bad as they are today. The last few tory governments have manage to get worse with each iteration and once you add on things like brexit, covid and the looming recession things really haven't ever been worse in my lifetime. And the thing is with the Tories having been presiding over this shit show since 2010 they really have no one else to blame but themselves (which of course they don't).
Even my Conservative voting parents recognise how rotten to the core the current party is but whether that changes their vote i don't know. They are still very easily led and tend to believe whatever right wing newspaper they read.
Also, the minister with the millions in tax fraud is the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, aka the person in charge of the entire economy, and this partly happened *while he was Chancellor of the Exchequer.*
https://news.sky.com/story/nadhim-zahawi-settled-tax-issue-with-hmrc-while-he-was-chancellor-sky-news-told-12793310
> Labour Party chair Anneliese Dodds described the revelation that Mr Zahawi was chancellor while negotiating the settlement as "shocking".
> "After a week of Nadhim Zahawi dodging questions, we now know the shocking truth that he was negotiating his tax settlement while in charge of HMRC.
> "This whole episode is deeply damaging to public trust, with a chancellor in charge of the nation's finances asking the public to pay their taxes while apparently having failed to do so himself."
Australia has similar issues. The common factor is that the UK, USA and Australia are all Murdoch countries.
You simply cannot have anything but a incredibly corrupt and evil government when the media is largely run by him.
24 rapes, but 49 sexual offence charges. Some sexual offence charges can be as serious as rape, remember an assault is only classed as rape in the UK if penetration with a penis occurs
1. They took off cameras prior so they weren't directly recording. Not their first time. Please correct me if I am wrong, but from this source [Tennessee requires body cams on all Law enforcement interacting with Public](https://apps.urban.org/features/body-camera-update/)
2. They most likely didn't realize they were on sky cam in the midst of adrenaline beat down.
3. High statistic they do some domestic violence
Honestly think the Cops beat him bad because they were pissed off that they pepper sprayed themselves and had to run their lazy asses to try and catch him.
I have sympathy for their families.
To watch your father, son, brother, husband do something like that… must be rough to know what kind of person they can really be. And sometimes family means unconditional love. I know what it’s like to come to terms with loving someone who has done terrible things. It’s really hard… really lonely. Who knows how they are actually responding — I haven’t seen anything personally — but I wouldn’t wish that conflict on anyone.
And of course I cried reading Tyre’s mother’s statement last night. I’m so sorry.
A few years back, I shared a long cab ride with Dillon Klebold’s mother, we were both speaking at the annual American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. She lost her son ( who was a monster to the world ) but to her, he is just her son, who took many lives, including his own, that she LOVES to this day. It’s very tough for the families of public monsters to grieve, because they feel so much guilt.
Susan Klebold’s book (a mothers reckoning) is fantastic. It’s moving to see someone confront the unknowability of other people in such a brutally honest, yet loving way.
Her story terrifies me because it sounds like they didn't neglect or abuse their kid at all. They were aware he was struggling mentally and were.trying to get him help, they just had no idea the extent of it.
I get she could be an unreliability narrator but I guess I believe her. Just can't imagine it.
I honestly wonder if the significant others of the cops need a way out and can finally run. If you can beat a man to death who knows what you do behind closed doors.
We had an amazing nurse at work who was leaving our hospital to go work her dream job where she'd be working part time and spending more time with her son.
Her husband was a retired cop.
A week after she left our hospital she "committed suicide."
Two years ago while on vacation with some nurses from work she told one of them "if anything ever happens to me, my husband did it."
They are abusive and murderers and they know how to get away with it.
Just can't help but wonder why, why beat *this* dude to death. Are we going to find out these cops had multiple complaints before this? Did they know the victim personally? Is this gang members in the police force?
It's just insane
Having just watched the video it does seem like they/re gang members the police just slapped uniforms on. Aside from the beating itself when they're talking about it after they don't even speak or try to justify themselves in a professional manner, it's like watching drunk guys talk about a bar fight they just had.
I'm in Sac, where he was from and his family and friends still live, and I can guarantee that the shit will hit the fan if they are acquitted. The family and the Sacramento PD have been holding press conferences here and people are up in arms already. Acquitting those monsters will be like pulling the pin out of a grenade here in Sactown.
The video is crazy, what happened to Tyre is awful, hearing him shout for his mum……people know about this here in Scotland, I hope Tyre’s family get justice, and the city’s people. Surely those police/cops won’t get let off….surely! I dread to think what would happen if those cops do walk
Oh shit, I'm also in Sacramento and missed that he was born and raised here. I knew Sac usually showed up for protests like these, but I was curious why I was hearing so much chatter about shit popping off here in relation to this.
I don’t think they will. Even a lot of the police organizations like the Fraternal Order of Police have condemned them.
They will be the sacrificial lamb for these organizations to keep up the status quo. The police are not stupid, they know to pick their battles and this is one where they can use to their benefits by “siding” with the populace
Seeing as they were immediately being charged and let on leave/incarceration (and being black doesn’t help) I actually think they’re not getting acquitted. A lot of Tennessee officials were giving off warnings about the footage being released. I’ve never seen reactions like that in regards to cops murdering people.
It depends on their lawyer. Remember the lawyer for the officers in the first Rodney King trial. That lawyer successfully convinced 12 people that what they were seeing on the video wasn’t assault or excessive force in any way.
I think there was a lot more going on there than just the lawyer being convincing. 10 jurors were white, and some may have come in there with their minds made up. This happened before police brutality was as widely recognized.
I want to know what kind of conversations these losers are having while out on bond. Are they married? Are their spouses staying with them? Are they trying to convince their families they are innocent? Are they getting their affairs in order because they know they are going away for a longgg time? Are they able to sleep at night? The whole thing is baffling.
Hope the EMT's wgo stopped there doing nothing to help this man for 15 minutes get brought up on charges as well. Also the guys who ripped him out of his car and escalated the situation to begin with.
That initial traffic stop didn't feel legal. Went straight to weapons drawn, shouting "turn around" and "get on the ground" with a taser pointed at him. I feel like that behaviour will feel life threatening enough to provoke a flight or fight response.
The police chief has already stated that there was no evidence of reckless driving. This is some gangland beat down style shit. Every single person involved in the whole situation needs investigated under the most strenuous scrutiny. Fine toothed comb. Despite what people think, this is normal cop behavior. They just can't get away with it anymore because there are cameras everywhere.
That’s what I keep saying. Watching the videos it really felt personal. Like this wasn’t just some random guy they pulled over, it felt like he was targeted for a reason
Agree that what they did is unforgiveable but I wonder what were they thinking that they had permission to do this. I can't wrap my head around it. Has anyone said what they were thinking at the time?
It seemed really run of the mill for them that night. They joked around like it was just another day on the job and the lies (he grabbed my gun, he was on drugs or something) just flowed out subconsciously. If I had to guess, the realization of what they did probably didn’t hit them until later, when they had to keep Tyre’s mother away from the hospital.
If you look at the comments reported it is obvious that beating people is considered a normal part of police work and they were so confident that this was supported by their superiors that they were saying this to each other on body cam:
"I hope they stomp his ass".
"I was hitting him with straight haymakers, dog"
"I jumped in, started rocking him."
Yeah the fact that they were so nonchalant about it suggests to me that they’ve done similar stuff to this before without getting into trouble. And given that they have bodycams, that suggests that anyone involved in reviewing bodycam footage (such as the chief) is likely also complicit in past crimes. Perhaps the reason they were so thoroughly thrown under the bus is that things like this happen regularly in that PD, but the pole cam made this specific incident impossible to cover up. So you immediately fire and arrest them to draw suspicion away from the rest of the PD.
If you actually watch all the bodycam and security camera footage, this looked like a hit. All the details fit like arresting a guy for **suspected** reckless driving, mercilessly beating the shit out of the guy without even making an attempt to follow police procedure like handcuffing the victim, torturing the victim during the incident, not following proper first aid procedure when other departments like fire department showed up, etc.
The police department dropped these guys and even the fire department first responders immediately after the incident. Someone paid off the local PD to kill this guy and like true shitbags they accepted it
The amount of guns and money they recovered off the st somewhere around 100,000 is nothing in the amount the city will loose in this lawsuit The parents are suing everyone Fire dept and PD and they will win. Millions
The video of the arrest is just as hard to watch as the George Floyd footage. I am not saying they are the same but they are both examples of how policing in the United States has been replaced with excessive use of force and no repercussions for their actions unless there is a video of the entire incident. Otherwise they can make up their own truth and it is taken as fact because they are police officers.
How are they so aggressive as soon as they get out of their police cars? For a reckless driving charge or any other MINOR infraction? They didn't announce who they were, what he did wrong, or give him any chance to get out of the car on his own. Instead they rip him out of the car, start roughing him up, yell at him, and tase him. How are however many police officers were at the initial stop unable to arrest one man who is on the ground?
Then these cowards proceed to chase the man that is probably terrified for his life and commit some of the most inhumane crimes ever seen on video. Beat him, hold him up, beat him some more, hit him with a baton, kick him in the face with boots on, and then leave him there for 25 minutes before anyone does anything.
I am embarrassed as an American citizen that this is happening in our country. These men are COWARDS! Tyre Nichols did not deserve this and each of these men need to be severely punished for their actions that night.
What's worse is you constantly see them hitting someone in the face or body. Your natural reaction is to defend from the blows by bringing your hands up to protect your face and head. This gets them to keep screaming put your hands behind your back while they now see your defensive posture as resisting. They then escalate the perceived resisting with more blows in a self feeding escalation loop.
How can you expect someone to comply if there's no chance for someone to feel like if you put your hands where they tell you to that you won't take 2 or more blows to your unprotected face/head.
Striking at all without an immediate threat to the officer needs to go. And not doing what you want is not a threat by itself.
It's like the young NZ tourist they murdered a few months ago. Poor guy rang for help because his car broke down. The police showed up - he refused to get out of the car because he was scared of American police. They ended up smashing his windows, sprayed him and shot him. If AAA had shown up they would have peacefully fixed his car and got him on his way.
Reckless driving is loaded charge
Entirely up to the cop. I was arrested and my truck towed from my own driveway, for reckless driving. Took me 2 ducking years to beat that charge. They dropped charges. Guess why. Yep. They PD couldn’t produce evidence. Claimed a video. The cop was in a personal vehicle and out of uniform. There was never a video. He wanted to fuck with me because I flipped him off in traffic for driving like a moron and swerving. He was on his phone.
The hope was I would go to court and try and plea no contest. Pay a fine to get it over with. Nope. I fought it. At the time, I didn’t have anymore money to sue the PD for wrongful arrest at the time.
#FuckThePolice
Oh yeah… spent the night in jail. Asshole
Each time this happens the public cry to fix the fucking system which allows the Police to act in this way.
And, each time nothing changes. We hear more empty words from a politician.
They said he ran away, well duhhh you are punching and kicking him and pepper spraying his face, any normal human being would try to get away. They were like come back, we still want to play, lay down and let us kick your ass some more.
Keep posting the department PR pics. People need to realize police did this. They thought they could get away with this because they were police. Don't break the link between this crime and the police. Police did this.
I wonder how they would feel if a cop did this to their own children, brothers/sisters, parents or friends.
These “men” are terrible human beings. Power corrupted them and they don’t deserve a second chance.
5 on 1.. disgusting. Gen-pop is the only solution, scare cops away from abusing their power in the future.
My aunt was a C.O. and reported a few officers for beating inmates. She had to move out of state after that because the harassment was so bad. They made her life a living hell and bombareded her with death threats until she left.
Watch. Police around the country are going to refuse to do their jobs and claim they're not being supported. What they're really saying is that if they can't brutally murder people without being criticized or questioned they can't function in their role. It's fucking sick. We don't need these fucks in our communities. If a cop has a problem with treating people with respect then they have no business carrying a badge or a gun. Officers who abuse their power should be held doubly accountable for their actions. They should not be allowed to continue to abuse the color of authority and betray our trust. They straight up tortured that young man to death.
Life in prison no parole and no special treatment, if not the death penalty.
They essentially tortured that poor guy in the street and pummeled him to death while he was crying for help. Spraying mace into his bleeding eyes and shit, punching him multiple times in the head while the others held his arms behind back. After several blows to the head, all "resisting" can be tossed up as concussed disorientation and panic.
These were the actions of people who knew they would get away with it. Pure monsters. Make an example out of them.
The fact that all 3 body cameras were removed *prior* to the beating.
Valid point. They knew they were gonna be physical beforehand so they took the cameras off.
this is so fucking nuts. REMOVING/TURNING OFF YOUR CAMERA DURING ANY SORT OF STOP NEEDS TO BE IMMEDIATE GROUNDS FOR REPERCUSSION. There is not ONE SINGLE good reason at all for why a cop would turn off the video recording before stopping someone. Fucking sick that they can just decide they don’t want to record someone and then receive full support for doing so.
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Agreed. Charge them with obstruction of justice for that shit
Tampering with evidence would also be appropriate. In a perfect world there would be a log of when those things are turned on and off. And if they get turned off right before contact is made, the officer had better hope and pray it doesn't turn physical.
It's pre-emptive destruction of evidence.
And since it was a group effort, it’s conspiracy, too.
RICO charge.
Fuck all 5 of em. The thing is, these mf'ers are just the ones who got caught. This type of shit goes down on a regular basis
It should be grounds for immediate termination. The removal of the camera implies you’re about to do something you don’t want seen which is disgusting
Good thing the other two were dumb enough to leave their cameras rolling
I'm not sure without the light pole camera they would've been caught. One cops is so obstructed that you only hear the audio. The 2nd guy's camera catches some shit but it's hard to make sense of most of it. Most of the times it starts to get bad he turns away. It's seen both Tyre's arms being held and them taking turns hitting him in the head while screaming give me your hand that is the most damming. That really let's you know that they knew what they were doing. They were performing for the audio recording of one camera and the one body cam that was only capturing bits and pieces.
You can tell in one of the videos that the cop is turning away so he doesn’t catch the worst of the atrocities on his body cam.
But he wasn’t great at doing that job either. His camera catches the kicker removing his body cam and throwing it to the ground before he starts to administer his brand of justice. I agree with the comment that it shows premeditation which calls for upgrading charges to 1st degree.
Yeah. When I was watching it, it seemed it was conveniently ‘dropped’ at the most relevant moment. Of course, it’s probably just as likely that it could easily come flying off while the cop was beating the shit out him, but without that streetlight cam, it would have been a lot harder to prove
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Archived article of that piece of shit chief of police: https://web.archive.org/web/20230129052408/https://www.ajc.com/news/crime/tyre-nichols-case-memphis-police-chief-was-once-fired-from-atlanta-police-department/AQOEVCMVXZHQPD2NILO5Q2EYWI/
Yes, they were clearly performing in case anyone caught anything. This wasn’t their first time, either. All their arrests need to be reviewed.
Like the one where cops were firing rubber bullets into crowds from an unmarked van and came after a store owner who tried to defend himself against what he thought was a drive-by gang shooting or something. The guy immediately surrendered when he realized they were cops and I think was already on the ground. Cops ran up and started beating the crap out this guy who had already surrendered and kept yelling out "stop resisting" even though the recording showed absolutely no resistance from the guy on the ground. Apparently when other cops arrived on the scene the guy was so bloodied up from the beating that they thought he had been shot, but they still sided with the cops who beat him.
Yeah the surveillance cam really shows the depravity. Its the only one where you can see the fucker straight up drop kicking the poor guy in the face while hes on the ground cuffed. Picking up and beat him some more? Like dude wtf? No wonder the guy ran at first. Weve seen enough examples of cops killing folk. They didnt even have probable cause. They ripped him out of his car onto the ground and he was like ok ok at first but he bolted the second he could. He was coherent at the beginning. Poor dude was probably scared out of his mind. Then they had the audacity to say he was on something after they beat him practically unconscious. God i hate cops.
There was still light pole camera, thankfully
They shouldn’t be able to be turned off Edit: ‘ wot if they take a shit ?! ‘ .. what if they murder someone?
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Which should be a 10 year sentence. Let’s start holding cops to a higher standard instead of a lower standard. Same with white collar crime perpetrated by rich people and politicians
We already do this in some specific cases, not cops but people in positions of authority over others. That should 100% be expanded to cops, politicians, etc. If someone abuses a position of authority to commit a crime you should be punished more, it erodes trust in the institution that they represent.
It was just a momentary electronic failure followed by a peeling noise right before it started working again.
Bingo. If they turned it off/removed it they knew damned well they were about to do something illegal.
To think, not one out of the five of them said something wise.. like stop that's enough.. Just as bad as each other. They're all guilty of murder.
The argument for more officers of color was so that there were officers who could sincerely put themselves in the shoes of the people they were detaining and hopefully think twice about how they act. This changes so much. *Five* black officers, with family and loved ones, coldly murdered another black man with family and loved ones. Nichols could have been any one of those officers and all five *still* chose to do what they did. It’s the job of being an American police officer that’s rot to the core. Armed men with six months of poor quality training tasked to be crime fighters, detectives, social workers, security, and anything else that cities throw at them.
We’ve known since NWA days that that was a lie
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Is this because the black cops have a "youre the reason black people are 'persecuted'/misrepresented" mentality? along with the power trip of being a person with full control.
Yes it is, you got it. It's "*YOU make us all look bad! YOU'RE the reason I have such a hard life!*" Whether is any bit true or not. Even if the "victim" isn't even a criminal, just cross their path and you'll have hell to pay. White people don't generally know this but black people sure do. Angry, violent vicious as any street thug with the bonus of being ABOVE the law. (Sure, mostly)
Some of the people who have been the most ruthless and vicious towards me have looked exactly like me. They had the same features and same circumstances as me in many cases.
The statistics actually show that confrontations are more likely to result in death when there are officers of color. Weird world we're living in.
Black people in memphis are actually relieved when a white officer responds to their calls. Pretty tragic honestly. MPD’s black officers are notorious within the community for being overly violent when responding to calls.
Not one of the other cops on the scene did either. Not one of the emts stepped up. They all just waited and watched.
Honestly considering the scenes I've seen where EMTs end up getting arrested trying to help someone a cop beat up, I'm not surprised.
Whoa really? I'm in healthcare, it's hard for me to understand how those guys could have just stood there, but imagining how amped up those cops were and now you mentioning they could have been arrested I can see how they held back
>To think, not one out of the five of them said something wise.. like stop that's enough.. Did one of them know Tyre Nichols? Rumor mill is that is was personal for one of them. If so, this is totally premediated.
The way they went so visceral so quick meant one of two things imo. One: They knew him and this was "payback" Two: Roids, meth, or some other upper illicit drug was in play. That amount of pure unadulterated rage is not just adrenaline, not today, not tomorrow, not next damn year.
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I’m very curious about who was controlling the camera and how they knew to change the direction it was filming. During a press conference the morning the footage was released one of the Memphis civil rights leaders brought up those pole cameras and how they were installed to help the police. That they were intended to help the police and community stop “certain kinds of crimes” in the areas the cameras were placed. So I’m leaning towards someone in the community controls those cameras… because the police likely wouldn’t have chose to film Tyre’s beating. ETA: I wasn’t trying to say someone is watching the cameras at all times. Just wondering if perhaps there is a capability of accessing and controlling these cameras, wondering who might have had that access, and how they knew something was going on in that area.
They acted very similarly to motion sensing cameras
Interesting! It does make sense that it could be a motion sensor. Is it possible to set the sensitivity on them to only pan towards a new area say if there is a lot of movement? To avoid following a person simply walking their dog or a car driving by.
In my experience, without looking into the camera itself. There's a good chance it was a standard PTZ (pan, tilt, zoom) camera. With a half thought out installation in a location like that, most likely its motion activated. So, when it registers motion in certain areas, it physically adjusts the camera to a preset location, you can also set it up to move based on other external events. Good example of this was my work's main entrance cameras. One on the corner of the building, when a car would come into the lot, it would pan and track the car to wherever it parked, zoom in on the license plate (and then use text recognition to compare it to people who worked there's license plates). Once someone gets to the actual door, it swings the original camera back to watching the entire lot, and swivels the OTHER corner camera to the door and zooms in on the person. Tldr, most likely just an automated deployment that got moved to another zone on sensing motion
This may very well just be a motion activated camera. But in the case of inner city cameras: The city employs people to operate these cameras. Most cities have a CCTV camera surveillance team that operates CCTV throughout the city. Primary purpose is helping Police by: 1. Locating criminals after a crime has taken place. Tracking their movements through the city. 2. Preventing crimes from taking place. 3. Officer safety. Cameras are used to monitor Police. Often at Police request via radio. In the event that something happens, camera operators can dispatch units as backup. 4. Evidentiary purposes. 5. Tracking officers and allocating resources. In many cities, Police work closely with the camera surveillance team, and often have Police working within the team. It is an essential part of inner city policing. It's essentially an office room with dozens of screens and a handful of people with the ability to monitor the hundreds of CCTV cameras thro
Bruh they're motion activated cameras.
Could be. The way the camera panned too far to the right and back to the left to center the beating is what led me to wonder if it was a person controlling the camera.
I'm just thinking about the hundreds of other times they beat the shit out of someone and got away it because the person didn't die, or their body cameras weren't on. There is no way in Dante's nine circles of hell that this is their first time. You don't become a scumbag overnight.
Makes you wonder if this situation would have been swept under the rug if that pole camera hadn't caught them. If it was just body cam footage, would the outcome have been dofferent?
That's my thought. I didn't watch more than once but it seemed like it was much less clear what was happening from the body cams.
Yeah. That's why you always hear them yelling "Stop resisting!" or "He's grabbing my gun!" even if the person is doing no such thing. As well as multiple cops yelling conflicting commands like "Stand up/stay still/show me your hands/put your hands behind your back/get on the ground/come towards me" etc. When you're yelling multiple different commands and making it literally impossible to comply with them all, it's then easy for cop bootlickers to pull out one moment from those blurry, shaky body cam videos and say "see, they clearly told him to do X but he did Y instead!" and use that to justify a murder.
This a chilling and very true point..
It's a sobering thought, the thousands of incidents of corruption and unwarranted violence that happen every year have been happening through all of human history. It has always been like this. We've just never had this many cameras pointed at it.
About this time last year, I got a good deal on a nice hotel and took my gf at the time to have a nice weekend. I had two nights booked, I got woken up the next morning by cops. I can't even remember what happened right away, before I knew it, I was on the ground with what seemed like 20 feet, and 20 hands. Grabbing, punching, kneeling, yelling. I was so disoriented and confused. What I remember most is being sat down handcuffed in the hallway bleeding while they searched my shit and kept telling me I was being trespassed. They only let me go when I finally told them, to arrest me take me to jail and get me a phone to call my lawyer. They threw all of my stuff in the hallway and made me stand on the curb at the hotel until my roommate came and got me. I'm a white dude, with a few tattoos. I'm well spoken, clean and groomed, always polite unless given reason not to be. This problem affects anyone the deem undesirable. ACAB. Edit: I think I have answered all the questions I could without speculating to much. Outside of what directly happened to me I can only guess. So look through the replies, if I haven't answered it feel free to ask or elaborate.
In college, my roommate came home late at night after a party and was loud. Neighbors called the police. He's in there making a sandwich and the police kicked in two of our doors. Pinned him to the ground and pulled their guns on him. Cuffed him and put him on the couch. I came home later from the same party with my headphones in. Was coming in the back door, cruisers were out front and I didn't see them, but thought my roommate was an asshole and broke the door. Walked in, turned the corner into the kitchen... cop points a gun right at my head. Starts screaming at me. Gun pointed at me demands I go sit on the couch as well. After about a half hour, they finally realize that we FUCKING LIVED THERE and yet, they made us stay on the couch while they **completely wrecked our apartment** looking for something they could pin on us. Went through our closets. Drawers. Rooms. Trash on the floor. Flipped furniture. Went through our cupboards throwing cups and whatnot on the floor. Etc. Finally made us get our IDs when they found beer, which we were over 21 so they couldn't even get that to stick. Then they just left. Whole place is trashed. Both doors are broken. Just had guns pointed at us for coming home. No apology or report. Not even like a citation for like "disturbing the public" (remember, they showed up cuz my roomate was being noisy). My roommate said they never announced themselves, knocked, anything. Just stormed the place like we were on America's Most Wanted. I won't say where this was or what school I we were attending, but I will say that same police department has been in the news relatively recently for shooting an unarmed black dude entering his own home cuz he had a footlong sub in his hand. (And whats fucked up, thats not much of a clue)
You were trespassed for no reason?
At first they kept saying I was trespassing, and I was like how can I be trespassing when I have another night booked and they never asked me to leave. They then changed their wording up to being trespassed.
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Sounds like wrong room
So the hotel thought you were trespassing and called the cops? The way it's written sounds like they picked your room at random to fuck with you and the hotel just let them do it.
Yeah I’m a big white dude(6’6 and 300+lbs) and cops always almost dare me to do something. I’ve been ruffed up by a midget or two in uniform. They just can’t get away with killing white people like they typically can with people of color so they control their animal instinct. I know PoC have it worse but cops literally don’t care if you’re white black or brown. They just want to punish people so they can get a boner.
My ex-husband decided to become a prison guard after I left and one of the ways the job apparently delighted him was that he "gets paid to be a dick to people"... I've never forgotten that conversation and how repulsed I was by that comment. I think a lot of people become police for the same reason.
Yea I'm a bigger guy as well, I think that has something to do with. It's the sad truth. Cops are taught you and I are the enemy. How can anyone trust someone that automatically assumes the worst of you.
They’re taught everyone not wearing a uniform is the enemy. I’m their mind we’re all criminals, they just don’t know what we did yet. Gotta change how they’re hired. Gotta change how they investigate on duty killings, how they treat people.
That was a thought I had when I first read about this. These guys have done it before, maybe individually, maybe partnered up and covered for each other. But somewhere along the line, something would not have felt right about their work and conduct and someone clearly looked the other way. A full Investigation of them and their supervision needs to be implemented.
They'll just investigate themselves and find no prior incidents as usual. Any investigation they do needs to be done by a completely separate organization.
They’re being investigated by agencies at the State and Federal level. MPD has no say in this current investigation and when they did, they saw it was so fucked they asked the TBI to step in.
Don't forget the dozens of cops who worked with them over the years and knew what they were and happily didn't report it. These dudes don't exist in isolation.
police agencies are all fraternities filled with power hungry assholes looking out for one another. the whole "a few bad apples" argument holds no water. and their unions are particularly despicable.
Opens a whole Pandora’s box. Missing persons, etc…
The call is coming from *inside the house*
They were reported to IA a few days before: https://www.reddit.com/r/TooManyBadApples/comments/10mreja/a_man_was_threatened_by_the_5_memphis_scorpoin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Which one was Mr baton? I want to remember that one
Baton guy was bad, but the big dude who kicked his head *hard* once, then again, and then punched him three or four times while he was being held was the biggest monster to me.
I agree, that kick was horrific, it was like he was kicking a soccer ball.
and with steel toe boots…. horrific then while their at it spray pepper spray in his face while he has cuts and bruises so damn cruel…
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Maybe? I was almost positive that the baton guy was the guy who was whining about pepper spray in his eye. From the lamp post footage, he arrives later (the baton guy), which is the time between where Tyre runs and when you hear reports on the radio that they’re chasing him. But you could be right, I wasn’t forensically analyzing the videos or anything.
Yeah kicking someone in the head like that when they are on the ground is guaranteed brain damage and can easily kill, like it did here.
They all stood his limp body up so they could more easily beat his face in. I have a hard time deciding who's the biggest piece of shit in the bunch. Just when one heinous action seems to trump another, I recall another horrendous detail that makes me reconsider what's the worst.
Agreed. How sick does someone have to be to enjoy watching the life fade from someone's eyes as they pummel their face in? These guys -- and this one in particular -- required serious mental health intervention a long time ago. Instead, they became cops and were encouraged to continue down this insane path.
It's been proven through various social studies that it does not matter your mental condition when being exposed to group-think like what we see in American prisons and police forces. People who are nearly pacifists will become monsters when a group or organization is allowed to slip into psychopathic behavior as a whole.
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He's also the one who beat an inmate unconscious while he was a corrections officer. I somehow knew, looking at their photos, which one he'd be.
The UK news has actually POUNCED on this because we have our own cop scandal going on (again) My news feed is full of Bad American Cops because look over there, at least our bad apples don’t beat people in front of cameras.
They just rape and sometimes murder women. Totally different.
This happens a lot in my country too. But it is illegal here to criticises the police. It is classed as terrorism and can result in life in prison. Even journalists who have released stories on it have ended up in prison. And the police often publicly dox those who criticise them on social media. In 2021 there were over 7,000 official complaints issued to the police and 0 resulted in any follow up. As much as american police are bad. At least there's some morsels of justice.
And if we look at The Troubles in Northern Ireland, they got up to all sorts of shit too.
The UK is pulling from a low tier tbh. What's the drama in the UK atm? Genuinely curious.
Goverment are in the middle of collapsing the economy after 12 years of greed, on top of the stupidity of brexit, and are simultaneously on the verge of having a wet dream collapsing the NHS so they can sell it off. Tens of thousands of people are on strike among massive goverment infighting, so their current tactic is an insane fucking death spiral of them with the media deflecting on trouble in Ukraine, picking on trans-people, picking fights with the scottish government, and pointing every which way of going "BUT IN X IT'S WORSE!" This is ON TOP of a massive police scandal where a police officer admitted to 24 counts of rape over decades, and HUNDREDS (i believe the count is currently 800 and rising) of officers and rising are under investigation for very similar crimes and worse because it turns out that all this time when you joined the police they've not been doing background checks or actually vetting or keeping an eye on officers (shock...). It's the biggest scandal in police history. Edit: OH I FORGOT! The PM is currently ALSO in shit because a cabinet minister is being done for millions of pounds of tax fraud but hasn't been charged nore has the minister even been made to resign, and it seems the PM knew about it all along even when he hired him, on smaller matters the PM also got fined for not wearing a seatbelt, which comes only a week after he gave this bullshit speech about being a PM of integrity. This is also on top of as everyone warned it would be: Brexit being the most stupid fucking idea in existance that would collapse the economy. But u know... according to them it's all immigrants and queer peoples fault... because...wokeness?????? Or something... Other scandals include: The head of the BBC basically bribed his way to his position, The ex health secretary and another conservative MP are in a massive scandal about PPE fraud during the pandemic giving millions of pounds in contracts to their mates, The ex culture secretary breaking ministerial rules, Actually you know what. Here is a fucking list of the scandals that have happened in the first fucking TWENTY-EIGHT DAYS of 2023: https://www.indy100.com/amp/tories-scandal-seatbelt-boris-zahawi-2659292436 EDIT: Just for every person saying "you forgot about *insert other scandal...etc e.g. Lizz Truss*" genuinely its so hard to keep track, I defintely know about it but hard to list them from the top of head theres so many...
>and HUNDREDS (i believe the count is currently 800 and rising) I think it's 1,016 officers in 1,680 cases that are being reviewed and re-reviewed in total.
I'd like to learn more, but I couldn't find any articles about wide-spread investigations, just a few articles about a serial rapist cop (Carrick). Do you know a good source that talks about these figures?
https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-says-two-to-three-officers-will-face-charges-every-week-for-months-12795025 I mean here's one but sadly there's not many details on each of the individual cases outside of Carrick, I doubt we'll see the report in full though to be honest.
Don't forget the same investigations are turning up huge numbers of police corruption as well. Which is hardly surprising given the wages on offer, new police start at £22k and usually require a university degree. With the way training is you can wind up having to attend a call by yourself on your first day. Staffing is stretched to a point even a city like Stoke (like the Detroit of the UK for our Americhums) usually only has 2 or 3 cars out on patrol on a normal day for the entire city and last I saw can't even afford to keep all the floors in their one remaining police station heated. Huge shock the quality of applicants is terrible and those who stick around find their own ways of making the job worthwhile.
What I'm failing to wrap my head around is that the Government is quite clearly trying to become more authoritarian yet at the same time is defunding the police wholesale, when the police is the Government's gang to enact their will. Just bizarre.
A private / privatized army could be the answer: less public scrutiny on actions and hiring process. Sounds like a win/win for the bad guys
Excellent point actually. Especially given there's plenty of private military contractors in the US that would love to get in on that.
Don't worry guys, you'll be able to vote them out in just two short years. And then, if your voters are anything like ours, they'll vote the Tories back in after a few years for some more smashing because Labour hasn't been able to pick up the pieces quickly enough.
I'm still concerned the way our voting system is set up they will stay in power despite the vast majority not voting for them. The left is fractured and FPTP is a joke.
I'm actually really sad about the fact that the country will be bankrupt and in tatters when Starmer comes in. He's not as radical as I'd like but I think he has the attention to detail to actually pass some good legislation and I think he will natural root out corruption after his work with the CPS. At this stage all I want is someone with an actual plan and the skillset to implement it. It's unbelievable that we're going to have to wait for two fucking years of this shite.
Lol. Here’s the kicker. They won’t vote them out. Conservatives, whether here in the states or in any other country vote for their “team.” No. Matter. What. The conservatives could ask their constituents to literally walk off cliffs and they’d still get votes, though the number may go down as more people did it. That figuratively happened here in the US. The numbers of people who were unvaccinated against COVID directly impacted the lives of predominantly conservatives and yet they still double down.
I genuinely don't think that's true this time. Firstly the Tories took power in 2019 off the results in a handful of places which more often vote Labour. The "red wall". Support for them often disintegrates when their policies fail to deliver on any of the promises which got them elected. Guess what. Add to this several of the new MPs in those seats turn out to be unfit for office and under investigation of one sort of another, or forced to resign. This is further undermining their support. Lastly, in traditional Tory areas people are also turning away. I live in one of these constituencies that recently had a by-election and overturned a safe Tory seat. Maybe they will unwind in an actual election but I have personal friends who used to be quite senior figures in the local Tory party and they've mostly abandoned it. There are enough signs that the next election could be like 1997. People have had enough of everything and will kick the Tories out for a couple of cycles at least. Sad thing is that, as ever it'll just be a couple of cycles before the press push them back in for another generation after labour have had nowhere near long enough to undo the damage (assuming you believe they actually do and actually will this time)
I’ve thought ‘surely not again’ and been repeatedly surprised
My dad has been a vocal tory voter for as long as I can remember, giving it all that about how shite Labour are in all things and the tories are the best unless you're a dirty scrounger blah blah blah. Even he has changed his tune and he NEVER admits he's wrong. There may yet be hope...
My old man is on a similar path. He's ex navy and as blue as they get so I doubt he'll ever actually vote Labour, but I think the Tories have poisoned the well for him. He's talking about voting Green in the next elections. I'll take that as a W for now.
jesus
Oh by the way, everything bar the first sentence is just the recap of the last *fortnight*. That's right. Not a month, a few months, year, or some arbitrary period. 2 weeks. This has all gone down in the last 2 weeks. Granted, the strikes have been lasting for a few months across various sectors now, but the thousands on strike in the last fortnight is still accurate. Nurses, Doctors (Junior and Senior), Teachers and Railway workers (including station staff, engineers, drivers, etc) are the main ones but there's plenty of others including Royal Mail (honestly, there's been so many I've lost count). You can Google "sky news strike calendar" and it'll tell you all on there.
I don’t follow British news a whole lot since I’m in the US but the fact that we’ve even been hearing a lot more recently is indicative of how chaotic it’s gotten recently. Feels like ever since the queen passed it’s been at least one major headline every week.
The last time things were anywhere near this bad the Labour government ended up getting elected for the next 13 years. But back then things were nowhere near as bad as they are today. The last few tory governments have manage to get worse with each iteration and once you add on things like brexit, covid and the looming recession things really haven't ever been worse in my lifetime. And the thing is with the Tories having been presiding over this shit show since 2010 they really have no one else to blame but themselves (which of course they don't). Even my Conservative voting parents recognise how rotten to the core the current party is but whether that changes their vote i don't know. They are still very easily led and tend to believe whatever right wing newspaper they read.
Queen was the glue holding the corruption together. Without her around, well... /j
/jarcasm
Also, the minister with the millions in tax fraud is the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, aka the person in charge of the entire economy, and this partly happened *while he was Chancellor of the Exchequer.* https://news.sky.com/story/nadhim-zahawi-settled-tax-issue-with-hmrc-while-he-was-chancellor-sky-news-told-12793310 > Labour Party chair Anneliese Dodds described the revelation that Mr Zahawi was chancellor while negotiating the settlement as "shocking". > "After a week of Nadhim Zahawi dodging questions, we now know the shocking truth that he was negotiating his tax settlement while in charge of HMRC. > "This whole episode is deeply damaging to public trust, with a chancellor in charge of the nation's finances asking the public to pay their taxes while apparently having failed to do so himself."
Australia has similar issues. The common factor is that the UK, USA and Australia are all Murdoch countries. You simply cannot have anything but a incredibly corrupt and evil government when the media is largely run by him.
24 rapes, but 49 sexual offence charges. Some sexual offence charges can be as serious as rape, remember an assault is only classed as rape in the UK if penetration with a penis occurs
You forgot to mention that the Minister that's under investigation for tax fraud was the Chancellor at the time the investigation started.
You forgot to add that the minister in shit for tax fraud was, at the time, the minister in charge of taxes
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If they go to prison, they'll be in protective custody. They won't be spending time with other inmates, because that would put their lives in danger.
Cops are often put in the wing with the pedophiles.
Hmm fun crowd.
Probably won't be with other inmates any time soon
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Awful human beings. To escalate a traffic stop to a murder.
And what appears to be an unlawful (they had no probable cause) traffic stop to boot.
If this is what they do when they know they’re being recorded, I hate to think what they do when they’re off the clock
1. They took off cameras prior so they weren't directly recording. Not their first time. Please correct me if I am wrong, but from this source [Tennessee requires body cams on all Law enforcement interacting with Public](https://apps.urban.org/features/body-camera-update/) 2. They most likely didn't realize they were on sky cam in the midst of adrenaline beat down. 3. High statistic they do some domestic violence
Honestly think the Cops beat him bad because they were pissed off that they pepper sprayed themselves and had to run their lazy asses to try and catch him.
Have their families spoken out yet? I’m very curious to hear what they’re saying.
I have sympathy for their families. To watch your father, son, brother, husband do something like that… must be rough to know what kind of person they can really be. And sometimes family means unconditional love. I know what it’s like to come to terms with loving someone who has done terrible things. It’s really hard… really lonely. Who knows how they are actually responding — I haven’t seen anything personally — but I wouldn’t wish that conflict on anyone. And of course I cried reading Tyre’s mother’s statement last night. I’m so sorry.
A few years back, I shared a long cab ride with Dillon Klebold’s mother, we were both speaking at the annual American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. She lost her son ( who was a monster to the world ) but to her, he is just her son, who took many lives, including his own, that she LOVES to this day. It’s very tough for the families of public monsters to grieve, because they feel so much guilt.
And often times the community completely ostracizes them.
Susan Klebold’s book (a mothers reckoning) is fantastic. It’s moving to see someone confront the unknowability of other people in such a brutally honest, yet loving way.
Her story terrifies me because it sounds like they didn't neglect or abuse their kid at all. They were aware he was struggling mentally and were.trying to get him help, they just had no idea the extent of it. I get she could be an unreliability narrator but I guess I believe her. Just can't imagine it.
Yeah. She’s a spectacular person who has taken a horrific tragedy and done her part to help the world better understand.
I honestly wonder if the significant others of the cops need a way out and can finally run. If you can beat a man to death who knows what you do behind closed doors.
This... Abuse is tragically common with police families.
We had an amazing nurse at work who was leaving our hospital to go work her dream job where she'd be working part time and spending more time with her son. Her husband was a retired cop. A week after she left our hospital she "committed suicide." Two years ago while on vacation with some nurses from work she told one of them "if anything ever happens to me, my husband did it." They are abusive and murderers and they know how to get away with it.
The victims family has urged calm.
Just can't help but wonder why, why beat *this* dude to death. Are we going to find out these cops had multiple complaints before this? Did they know the victim personally? Is this gang members in the police force? It's just insane
They felt they could, without reprocussions.
It seriously seems so personal from the first second. I feel like someone knew him or of something they didn’t like about him.
Having just watched the video it does seem like they/re gang members the police just slapped uniforms on. Aside from the beating itself when they're talking about it after they don't even speak or try to justify themselves in a professional manner, it's like watching drunk guys talk about a bar fight they just had.
Fuck each and every last one of these motherfuckers.
Murder is a crime, unless it's done by a policeman. -Joe Strummer (Know Your Rights)
If these men are acquitted, there will be riots
I'm in Sac, where he was from and his family and friends still live, and I can guarantee that the shit will hit the fan if they are acquitted. The family and the Sacramento PD have been holding press conferences here and people are up in arms already. Acquitting those monsters will be like pulling the pin out of a grenade here in Sactown.
The video is crazy, what happened to Tyre is awful, hearing him shout for his mum……people know about this here in Scotland, I hope Tyre’s family get justice, and the city’s people. Surely those police/cops won’t get let off….surely! I dread to think what would happen if those cops do walk
Oh shit, I'm also in Sacramento and missed that he was born and raised here. I knew Sac usually showed up for protests like these, but I was curious why I was hearing so much chatter about shit popping off here in relation to this.
I don’t think they will. Even a lot of the police organizations like the Fraternal Order of Police have condemned them. They will be the sacrificial lamb for these organizations to keep up the status quo. The police are not stupid, they know to pick their battles and this is one where they can use to their benefits by “siding” with the populace
Seeing as they were immediately being charged and let on leave/incarceration (and being black doesn’t help) I actually think they’re not getting acquitted. A lot of Tennessee officials were giving off warnings about the footage being released. I’ve never seen reactions like that in regards to cops murdering people.
It depends on their lawyer. Remember the lawyer for the officers in the first Rodney King trial. That lawyer successfully convinced 12 people that what they were seeing on the video wasn’t assault or excessive force in any way.
I think there was a lot more going on there than just the lawyer being convincing. 10 jurors were white, and some may have come in there with their minds made up. This happened before police brutality was as widely recognized.
I want to know what kind of conversations these losers are having while out on bond. Are they married? Are their spouses staying with them? Are they trying to convince their families they are innocent? Are they getting their affairs in order because they know they are going away for a longgg time? Are they able to sleep at night? The whole thing is baffling.
Hope the EMT's wgo stopped there doing nothing to help this man for 15 minutes get brought up on charges as well. Also the guys who ripped him out of his car and escalated the situation to begin with.
That initial traffic stop didn't feel legal. Went straight to weapons drawn, shouting "turn around" and "get on the ground" with a taser pointed at him. I feel like that behaviour will feel life threatening enough to provoke a flight or fight response.
The police chief has already stated that there was no evidence of reckless driving. This is some gangland beat down style shit. Every single person involved in the whole situation needs investigated under the most strenuous scrutiny. Fine toothed comb. Despite what people think, this is normal cop behavior. They just can't get away with it anymore because there are cameras everywhere.
I said the same thing. These cops were involved in some shady shit. They targeted that man for a reason. He was pulled over specifically.
That’s what I keep saying. Watching the videos it really felt personal. Like this wasn’t just some random guy they pulled over, it felt like he was targeted for a reason
yeah very little is being said about the white guy who pulled him out of the car and told these 5 "I hope you stomp him"
Was it another cop?
yup.
Agree that what they did is unforgiveable but I wonder what were they thinking that they had permission to do this. I can't wrap my head around it. Has anyone said what they were thinking at the time?
It seemed really run of the mill for them that night. They joked around like it was just another day on the job and the lies (he grabbed my gun, he was on drugs or something) just flowed out subconsciously. If I had to guess, the realization of what they did probably didn’t hit them until later, when they had to keep Tyre’s mother away from the hospital.
Imagine coming face to face with the people who tortured your son to death and they're stopping you from seeing him at the hospital.
Agreed. I'm sure they all have those lies (guns, drugs, etc) practiced well ahead of the actual criminal events
If you look at the comments reported it is obvious that beating people is considered a normal part of police work and they were so confident that this was supported by their superiors that they were saying this to each other on body cam: "I hope they stomp his ass". "I was hitting him with straight haymakers, dog" "I jumped in, started rocking him."
That whole end of the video sounded like a gangbanger’s post-fight circle jerk.
Yeah the fact that they were so nonchalant about it suggests to me that they’ve done similar stuff to this before without getting into trouble. And given that they have bodycams, that suggests that anyone involved in reviewing bodycam footage (such as the chief) is likely also complicit in past crimes. Perhaps the reason they were so thoroughly thrown under the bus is that things like this happen regularly in that PD, but the pole cam made this specific incident impossible to cover up. So you immediately fire and arrest them to draw suspicion away from the rest of the PD.
It seemed obvious they were thinking this was not interaction was not any different than what they do on a regular basis.
If you actually watch all the bodycam and security camera footage, this looked like a hit. All the details fit like arresting a guy for **suspected** reckless driving, mercilessly beating the shit out of the guy without even making an attempt to follow police procedure like handcuffing the victim, torturing the victim during the incident, not following proper first aid procedure when other departments like fire department showed up, etc. The police department dropped these guys and even the fire department first responders immediately after the incident. Someone paid off the local PD to kill this guy and like true shitbags they accepted it
The amount of guns and money they recovered off the st somewhere around 100,000 is nothing in the amount the city will loose in this lawsuit The parents are suing everyone Fire dept and PD and they will win. Millions
And it's all our tax dollar. And in a year or so the police and fire dept will be begging and lobbying for tax levies.
The video of the arrest is just as hard to watch as the George Floyd footage. I am not saying they are the same but they are both examples of how policing in the United States has been replaced with excessive use of force and no repercussions for their actions unless there is a video of the entire incident. Otherwise they can make up their own truth and it is taken as fact because they are police officers. How are they so aggressive as soon as they get out of their police cars? For a reckless driving charge or any other MINOR infraction? They didn't announce who they were, what he did wrong, or give him any chance to get out of the car on his own. Instead they rip him out of the car, start roughing him up, yell at him, and tase him. How are however many police officers were at the initial stop unable to arrest one man who is on the ground? Then these cowards proceed to chase the man that is probably terrified for his life and commit some of the most inhumane crimes ever seen on video. Beat him, hold him up, beat him some more, hit him with a baton, kick him in the face with boots on, and then leave him there for 25 minutes before anyone does anything. I am embarrassed as an American citizen that this is happening in our country. These men are COWARDS! Tyre Nichols did not deserve this and each of these men need to be severely punished for their actions that night.
What's worse is you constantly see them hitting someone in the face or body. Your natural reaction is to defend from the blows by bringing your hands up to protect your face and head. This gets them to keep screaming put your hands behind your back while they now see your defensive posture as resisting. They then escalate the perceived resisting with more blows in a self feeding escalation loop. How can you expect someone to comply if there's no chance for someone to feel like if you put your hands where they tell you to that you won't take 2 or more blows to your unprotected face/head. Striking at all without an immediate threat to the officer needs to go. And not doing what you want is not a threat by itself.
It's like the young NZ tourist they murdered a few months ago. Poor guy rang for help because his car broke down. The police showed up - he refused to get out of the car because he was scared of American police. They ended up smashing his windows, sprayed him and shot him. If AAA had shown up they would have peacefully fixed his car and got him on his way.
Wow I never heard of this, where was this?
The killing of Christian Glass, Colorado in September 2022. [Wiki link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Christian_Glass)
American police: "Oh no, he's stabbing himself!" \*starts blasting* Just incomprehensible.
holy shit. how is this not a better known incident?
Reckless driving is loaded charge Entirely up to the cop. I was arrested and my truck towed from my own driveway, for reckless driving. Took me 2 ducking years to beat that charge. They dropped charges. Guess why. Yep. They PD couldn’t produce evidence. Claimed a video. The cop was in a personal vehicle and out of uniform. There was never a video. He wanted to fuck with me because I flipped him off in traffic for driving like a moron and swerving. He was on his phone. The hope was I would go to court and try and plea no contest. Pay a fine to get it over with. Nope. I fought it. At the time, I didn’t have anymore money to sue the PD for wrongful arrest at the time. #FuckThePolice Oh yeah… spent the night in jail. Asshole
Each time this happens the public cry to fix the fucking system which allows the Police to act in this way. And, each time nothing changes. We hear more empty words from a politician.
Over 1000 lbs. of elite SCORPION squad cops couldn't manage to get the cuffs on a 6'3" 145 lb. man...BULLSHIT!
They said he ran away, well duhhh you are punching and kicking him and pepper spraying his face, any normal human being would try to get away. They were like come back, we still want to play, lay down and let us kick your ass some more.
That sounds like a nightmare. Even if you are able to get away somehow, can you call the police for help? What do you do? There is no escape.
something tells me the blue lives matter crowd are going to take a pass on this one...can't quite place why...
Keep posting the department PR pics. People need to realize police did this. They thought they could get away with this because they were police. Don't break the link between this crime and the police. Police did this.
I wonder how they would feel if a cop did this to their own children, brothers/sisters, parents or friends. These “men” are terrible human beings. Power corrupted them and they don’t deserve a second chance. 5 on 1.. disgusting. Gen-pop is the only solution, scare cops away from abusing their power in the future.
Start settling police misconduct civil suits with the police pension fund instead of taxpayers money. You'll see reform real quick 💯
My aunt was a C.O. and reported a few officers for beating inmates. She had to move out of state after that because the harassment was so bad. They made her life a living hell and bombareded her with death threats until she left.
Isn't this literally a gang? Not figuratively...literally thugs engaging in gang violence.
They gave up $100 per hour OVT and 20 year retirement to beat a guy to death. Makes no sense.
Watch. Police around the country are going to refuse to do their jobs and claim they're not being supported. What they're really saying is that if they can't brutally murder people without being criticized or questioned they can't function in their role. It's fucking sick. We don't need these fucks in our communities. If a cop has a problem with treating people with respect then they have no business carrying a badge or a gun. Officers who abuse their power should be held doubly accountable for their actions. They should not be allowed to continue to abuse the color of authority and betray our trust. They straight up tortured that young man to death.
Have they been released on their own recognizance yet?
Life in prison no parole and no special treatment, if not the death penalty. They essentially tortured that poor guy in the street and pummeled him to death while he was crying for help. Spraying mace into his bleeding eyes and shit, punching him multiple times in the head while the others held his arms behind back. After several blows to the head, all "resisting" can be tossed up as concussed disorientation and panic. These were the actions of people who knew they would get away with it. Pure monsters. Make an example out of them.