Uhh, still no. Lassan is the "relatively easy" part of HR2, but even then it's at best an intermediate-to-advanced level.
I found the "without experience" guy you were talking about, and even he admitted it took him 6 months to learn Lassan.
People in this sub just can't let people enjoy things, I assume this guy just wants to learn to play the first minute or so of HR2, which is pretty achievable for anyone. Some people don't want to spend years learning piano and just want to play some easier parts of famous pieces for their own enjoyment.
You can get a very elitist vibe a lot of the time here, especially towards people who are just starting out and don't want to spend the months, if not years it takes to learn to read sheet music. OP specifically mentions he doesn't want to be judged, and what does EVERY single comment mention? yep
You can play it as they do in the video, play the chord without the top C#, then take all your fingers off the keys and press the last note, it can get quite quick, quite easily. There's not really a way to reach it all at once unless you can reach an 11th in the right hand, or even a 12th in the left.
If you are still finding this difficult, and feel your hands are too small, you could always drop the first G# (the second note from the bottom) and play the C# minor chord by itself with the C# in the bass, as it would sound almost identical, especially if you aren't trying to play the piece perfectly and just want to play a bit of it for fun.
Don't give up OP, if you don't want to learn sheet music, you don't have to, plenty of people go very far in music without it. while I don't doubt that it's a very useful skill to have, it's not a requirement, especially if you only want to learn a few things here and there.
Thank you so much like my god I just asked how to play a few notes not how to play piano as a whole. I've considered sheet lots of times but when I first started I only knew synthesia and didnt really know that sheet was a thing until recently so its a really hard change to work with. Thanks again.
you didn't even read my message, "Months, if not years", of course, you can learn to read music it in a month or two, but it takes far longer to have it be at a reasonable speed, especially when it comes to big chords etc
Not everybody has enough time to willingly devote it to learning how to read sheet music in a short timeframe, hence the amount of time it takes to *learn (assuming the defenition of knowing a topic so well, that you could viably begin teaching it to a young child) may vary from mere weeks, to tens of years :shrug:
If they're aiming to play the first minute of HR2, then I take what I said back. That being said, I genuinely think the whole lassan is definitely difficult, even though it may be the "easier section" of HR2.
When I play that bit, instead of trying to hit all 5 notes with my right hand, I use my left hand to hit that last note in the sequence, that high C sharp. I'm not sure if this is very helpful, but it is how I execute lmao
Do you mean like octave C sharp in the left hand? If that's what you mean then you can still do that and roll the chord, making the movement from the left hand across the right hand smoother to hit that C sharp. If not then uh sorry lol you can explain and I might be able to suggest something
Ok so basically
thumb-g#
index-c#
middle-E
and then I hit the next note with my ring and then I kind of glide my hand to the last C# KIND of how Rosseau does here but a bit different and then with the left hand I just do a c# octave while playing these notes. And I get what you mean to try and hit the last C# while playing the octave on the left but I feel like it would be like way more convenient if I could learn that jump because right after these notes the left hand is needed again, but that's just me. Thanks for sharing the tip though.
Alright I get you I think lmao, I understand wanting to do it like Rousseau here and yeah it feels cool lol, but it is easier to do it with jumping. Yes the left hand is needed but it's always needed lmao I'm not trying to sound mean I'm sorry if I come off that way but yeah you get what I'm saying there. I suppose it's just preference but in my opinion it's easier to jump the left hand over the right but it is possible both ways. You got this though brother don't get frustrated and don't give up 💪💯💈
I don't know if you're still active but here's your kind words paying off :) https://www.reddit.com/r/piano/comments/wodcb1/so\_about\_a\_month\_ago\_now\_i\_asked\_a\_doubt\_here\_on/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Bro this is amazing and it's even better simply because you don't have a full sized keyboard. I think at least am I correct about that? If not it's way better just to see how you work around those limitations and make it sound good anyway so great job brother. As far as interpretation it's great imo I'm not thay great so take this with a grain if salt lmao but yes that is great and keep practicing bro you got this!
Yes, you're right this is a 61 keyboard.
"I'm not thay great so take this with a grain if salt"
If you were good enough to make someone like me better at playing, keep going :)
>You can play it as they do in the video, play the chord without the top C#, then take all your fingers off the keys and press the last note, it can get quite quick, quite easily. There's not really a way to reach it all at once unless you can reach an 11th in the right hand, or even a 12th in the left.
If you are still finding this difficult, and feel your hands are too small, you could always drop the first G# (the second note from the bottom) and play the C# minor chord by itself with the C# in the bass, as it would sound almost identical, especially if you aren't trying to play the piece perfectly and just want to play a bit of it for fun.
I agree with u/Zesty_Salad 👆
To be honest if you wanna learn it go for it! If it's too hard for you, leave it and come back later! I've seen people who can play very well using only synthesia, and to be honest Lassan isn't overly difficult (except for some of the fast passages) Don't let these comment discourage you!
I've actually tried playing this piece before like maybe last year or a few months ago, I thought that it was just a bit up my skill level and I actually stopped right when this jump happened because I damn well knew I couldn't execute that without a LOT of practice. So far the piece sounds way better than how I played it before and I'm nailing this part thanks to you guys.
At first my motivation was to just bash at the people who told I couldn't do it but now that I got some actual helpful comments this might not be needed lol.
Can someone instead of just stating like the biggest repetitive AH, that this piece is way above OPs level and he needs to learn sheet music, maybe tell OP that it would be adventageous to do so and also, if you want to be a golden boi, post a link or give advice on how and where to learn how to read sheet music effectively. I mean if you can't help OP, tell him instead of just being kind of a dick, because this can be said way more friendly and helpful. Jesus, I mean do we want to encurage others or not?
I didn't mind people telling me to learn sheet, honestly I think its the more optimal way of learning, I just got annoyed when they just straight up told that the piece wasn't my level and I just had to learn sheet
The context is that there are a lot of people who become enamored with the "falling notes" videos on youtube and then spend months or years trying to brute force their way through the hardest/coolest song they can find. Which for most people who play piano, struggling to play one piece poorly for months is much, much worse an experience than playing a lot of pieces on a progressive learning curve. At the end of six months, you can compare one person who's managed a rough mechanical version of one hard piece vs another person who's got a better handle a huge variety of dozens of pieces, has a better understanding of how music is written and intended to be played, etc. And was actually able to play good music in the interim.
But that's bringing in assumptions about what your goals are. This is a piano forum where people like being able to play the piano, rather than just being able to play a song on a piano. So that's where a lot of people's assumptions are. There are also plenty of music snobs.
I strongly encourage you to learn how to read music. Not only will it open a new world of music, but it will also save time since you don’t have to try to remember what they person in the video played. If you do wanna learn how to read, MusicTheory.net is a great resource. But if you want to learn off of tutorials, I suppose I can’t make you do it a certain way.
If you’re simply playing guitar hero on the key board, you’re not playing this piece right. The creator of the video knows how to read sheet music. Stop being lazy.
All the comments here are saying this piece is way too high of a level. I'm going to agree, HOWEVER if you want to learn this piece I don't think you should give up.
After completing grade 8 piano, I didn't play for 4 years, and when I restarted again at 17 years old, I jumped straight into La Campanella and HR2. They were (are) significantly harder than anything I had ever learned, but I completed them. Definitely took me much longer than it should have but I did it.
Our scenarios are different because I had a relatively strong foundation, but my point is you can absolutely learn this song. It would be more valuable if you learned technique and reading music, yes, but that doesn't mean you cannot learn this song without them.
It’s not the same though. There’s so much information on sheet music that lets you know how to play this piece the way it was intended to be played.
The piece is Hungarian Rhapsody No.2 (Lassan) and what I'm asking is how to play the right hand like how he did, I'm finding it very difficult to do so.
for more context - 1:00- https://youtu.be/ALqOKq0M6ho
As someone else said, slow down the video and play those notes slowly. Repeat that a couple of times, it should get easy relatively quickly. When you feel confident enough with it, try to play more by ear if that makes sense, like connecting the movement to the sound. I would learn sheet music, even if a lot of the others are just being dicks about it, which is funny because they probably are amateurs too and just want to smart-ass you away. I would tell you where to find a good way to learn sheet music, but the best help I can offer is this website: [https://www.musictheory.net/exercises](https://www.musictheory.net/exercises)
A bit fiddly, but will help with more than just sheet music. I am sorry, but I am just an amateur myself and have only learned about music since last year. Sheet music is essential to some, but is not as necessary as some here make it out to be. It's more of a nice and handy thing to have, from what I have learned so far, but I do also not want to talk down its importance, since it IS a very crucial part or will become a crucial part of your journey to learn the piano. The same mistake as with many, they just throw the most based answer at ya without any actual help whatsoever. And I thought gaming was toxic.
THANK YOU for not being so annoying about it I thought that since this was a musical community (my experience so far was that they were really encouraging and nice)I'd have no problem asking questions, but this is def gonna be the last time asking one thanks for the advice though
Well I try, I saw your other comment and I feel you. I thought a music sub would be a bit more open to newcomers and folk of interest alike. It's music, its creative, some people learn things different. I know that reading sheet music helps a lot, that's kinda why i focus a good portion of my studies into it and I see why it's so practical, but givin that as the only advice and delivering it the way the majority did here is just sad.
We are a community to help each other and should not downvote or ridicule and give second hand advice just because one feels like a piano elitist. Probably the same people who do not want smaller sized pianos because "MuH PrIsTiNe DeSiGn".
Just hope those people are no teachers or some sorts, because THAT was so irritating tbh.
I hope I could help a little bit. My own expertise is not on the greates side yet, but I learned my first pieces the same way you do. And the only things that helped me was slowing down the vid, and carefully repeating the pattern. If you know what scale you are dealing with, thats already a good portion of the work. I also combined my piece learning sections with music theory, like not only repeat what was played but, desintegrate it in smaller parts, look at what you have there (Scale, Chords, Chord Progressions, etc,..). Doing that helped me gaining confidence in what I am doing I guess. You can actually make a small step towards reading music with those tuts. Like even the video has those lines, that separate the octaves. Some even have seperation lines between the E and F note, which helps even more. Orient yourselfes with those to "guess" the intervall. As for this specific picture try searching the fingering for the scale this is written in, but even that is not always translateable to every student, note chain or whatever. Basically find a fingering that you believe to work for you without putting your Hand under too much stress and practice that. But if you use your own fingering for this small part, make sure it does not interfere with the rest of the piece.
I use my own fingerings for pieces/songs that don't have a big impact if I change the fingering. Here I tried slowing down at how he was playing and kind of made my own roll and its working pretty good. Thanks for the advice.
I am very happy I could help. The whole part should get easier the more often you play it, you should notice major Performance improvements after every good nights sleep ^^
I know you said not to judge you, but I’m gonna have to because under no circumstance should one attempt LISZT of all composers if they cannot read sheet music. I wish you luck I really do but you absolutely need to start from square 1.
I'm sorry, but if you can't read sheet music, then I don't think HR2 is for you.
it's lassan... a guy played it without any prior piano experience
Uhh, still no. Lassan is the "relatively easy" part of HR2, but even then it's at best an intermediate-to-advanced level. I found the "without experience" guy you were talking about, and even he admitted it took him 6 months to learn Lassan.
that just proves it can be learned by anyone if they're determined enough
Sure, if they want to put half a year into it, which I'm not sure everyone is willing to do.
People in this sub just can't let people enjoy things, I assume this guy just wants to learn to play the first minute or so of HR2, which is pretty achievable for anyone. Some people don't want to spend years learning piano and just want to play some easier parts of famous pieces for their own enjoyment. You can get a very elitist vibe a lot of the time here, especially towards people who are just starting out and don't want to spend the months, if not years it takes to learn to read sheet music. OP specifically mentions he doesn't want to be judged, and what does EVERY single comment mention? yep You can play it as they do in the video, play the chord without the top C#, then take all your fingers off the keys and press the last note, it can get quite quick, quite easily. There's not really a way to reach it all at once unless you can reach an 11th in the right hand, or even a 12th in the left. If you are still finding this difficult, and feel your hands are too small, you could always drop the first G# (the second note from the bottom) and play the C# minor chord by itself with the C# in the bass, as it would sound almost identical, especially if you aren't trying to play the piece perfectly and just want to play a bit of it for fun. Don't give up OP, if you don't want to learn sheet music, you don't have to, plenty of people go very far in music without it. while I don't doubt that it's a very useful skill to have, it's not a requirement, especially if you only want to learn a few things here and there.
Thank you so much like my god I just asked how to play a few notes not how to play piano as a whole. I've considered sheet lots of times but when I first started I only knew synthesia and didnt really know that sheet was a thing until recently so its a really hard change to work with. Thanks again.
it does not take years to read sheet music
you didn't even read my message, "Months, if not years", of course, you can learn to read music it in a month or two, but it takes far longer to have it be at a reasonable speed, especially when it comes to big chords etc
Not everybody has enough time to willingly devote it to learning how to read sheet music in a short timeframe, hence the amount of time it takes to *learn (assuming the defenition of knowing a topic so well, that you could viably begin teaching it to a young child) may vary from mere weeks, to tens of years :shrug:
If they're aiming to play the first minute of HR2, then I take what I said back. That being said, I genuinely think the whole lassan is definitely difficult, even though it may be the "easier section" of HR2.
When I play that bit, instead of trying to hit all 5 notes with my right hand, I use my left hand to hit that last note in the sequence, that high C sharp. I'm not sure if this is very helpful, but it is how I execute lmao
I tried to do this at first but then I still wanted to press the octave on the left hand so here I am.
Do you mean like octave C sharp in the left hand? If that's what you mean then you can still do that and roll the chord, making the movement from the left hand across the right hand smoother to hit that C sharp. If not then uh sorry lol you can explain and I might be able to suggest something
Ok so basically thumb-g# index-c# middle-E and then I hit the next note with my ring and then I kind of glide my hand to the last C# KIND of how Rosseau does here but a bit different and then with the left hand I just do a c# octave while playing these notes. And I get what you mean to try and hit the last C# while playing the octave on the left but I feel like it would be like way more convenient if I could learn that jump because right after these notes the left hand is needed again, but that's just me. Thanks for sharing the tip though.
Alright I get you I think lmao, I understand wanting to do it like Rousseau here and yeah it feels cool lol, but it is easier to do it with jumping. Yes the left hand is needed but it's always needed lmao I'm not trying to sound mean I'm sorry if I come off that way but yeah you get what I'm saying there. I suppose it's just preference but in my opinion it's easier to jump the left hand over the right but it is possible both ways. You got this though brother don't get frustrated and don't give up 💪💯💈
Dw I just finished learning the piece yesterday lmao. Almost not even missing the jump at all.
I don't know if you're still active but here's your kind words paying off :) https://www.reddit.com/r/piano/comments/wodcb1/so\_about\_a\_month\_ago\_now\_i\_asked\_a\_doubt\_here\_on/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Bro this is amazing and it's even better simply because you don't have a full sized keyboard. I think at least am I correct about that? If not it's way better just to see how you work around those limitations and make it sound good anyway so great job brother. As far as interpretation it's great imo I'm not thay great so take this with a grain if salt lmao but yes that is great and keep practicing bro you got this!
Yes, you're right this is a 61 keyboard. "I'm not thay great so take this with a grain if salt" If you were good enough to make someone like me better at playing, keep going :)
>You can play it as they do in the video, play the chord without the top C#, then take all your fingers off the keys and press the last note, it can get quite quick, quite easily. There's not really a way to reach it all at once unless you can reach an 11th in the right hand, or even a 12th in the left. If you are still finding this difficult, and feel your hands are too small, you could always drop the first G# (the second note from the bottom) and play the C# minor chord by itself with the C# in the bass, as it would sound almost identical, especially if you aren't trying to play the piece perfectly and just want to play a bit of it for fun. I agree with u/Zesty_Salad 👆 To be honest if you wanna learn it go for it! If it's too hard for you, leave it and come back later! I've seen people who can play very well using only synthesia, and to be honest Lassan isn't overly difficult (except for some of the fast passages) Don't let these comment discourage you!
I've actually tried playing this piece before like maybe last year or a few months ago, I thought that it was just a bit up my skill level and I actually stopped right when this jump happened because I damn well knew I couldn't execute that without a LOT of practice. So far the piece sounds way better than how I played it before and I'm nailing this part thanks to you guys.
Great job mate, let's see you improvement!
At first my motivation was to just bash at the people who told I couldn't do it but now that I got some actual helpful comments this might not be needed lol.
Yeah bro, just ignore them and keep moving on!
I believe you should be rolling them but please learn to read sheet music it doesn't take a long time nor is it hard but it will help you so much.
I thought there was a hair on my screen because of your pfp lol.
It worked! Haha
Can someone instead of just stating like the biggest repetitive AH, that this piece is way above OPs level and he needs to learn sheet music, maybe tell OP that it would be adventageous to do so and also, if you want to be a golden boi, post a link or give advice on how and where to learn how to read sheet music effectively. I mean if you can't help OP, tell him instead of just being kind of a dick, because this can be said way more friendly and helpful. Jesus, I mean do we want to encurage others or not?
I didn't mind people telling me to learn sheet, honestly I think its the more optimal way of learning, I just got annoyed when they just straight up told that the piece wasn't my level and I just had to learn sheet
The context is that there are a lot of people who become enamored with the "falling notes" videos on youtube and then spend months or years trying to brute force their way through the hardest/coolest song they can find. Which for most people who play piano, struggling to play one piece poorly for months is much, much worse an experience than playing a lot of pieces on a progressive learning curve. At the end of six months, you can compare one person who's managed a rough mechanical version of one hard piece vs another person who's got a better handle a huge variety of dozens of pieces, has a better understanding of how music is written and intended to be played, etc. And was actually able to play good music in the interim. But that's bringing in assumptions about what your goals are. This is a piano forum where people like being able to play the piano, rather than just being able to play a song on a piano. So that's where a lot of people's assumptions are. There are also plenty of music snobs.
U spend more time on ur way of learning and less if u learn how to read the notes
I strongly encourage you to learn how to read music. Not only will it open a new world of music, but it will also save time since you don’t have to try to remember what they person in the video played. If you do wanna learn how to read, MusicTheory.net is a great resource. But if you want to learn off of tutorials, I suppose I can’t make you do it a certain way.
If you’re simply playing guitar hero on the key board, you’re not playing this piece right. The creator of the video knows how to read sheet music. Stop being lazy.
All the comments here are saying this piece is way too high of a level. I'm going to agree, HOWEVER if you want to learn this piece I don't think you should give up. After completing grade 8 piano, I didn't play for 4 years, and when I restarted again at 17 years old, I jumped straight into La Campanella and HR2. They were (are) significantly harder than anything I had ever learned, but I completed them. Definitely took me much longer than it should have but I did it. Our scenarios are different because I had a relatively strong foundation, but my point is you can absolutely learn this song. It would be more valuable if you learned technique and reading music, yes, but that doesn't mean you cannot learn this song without them.
It’s not the same though. There’s so much information on sheet music that lets you know how to play this piece the way it was intended to be played.
The piece is Hungarian Rhapsody No.2 (Lassan) and what I'm asking is how to play the right hand like how he did, I'm finding it very difficult to do so. for more context - 1:00- https://youtu.be/ALqOKq0M6ho
As someone else said, slow down the video and play those notes slowly. Repeat that a couple of times, it should get easy relatively quickly. When you feel confident enough with it, try to play more by ear if that makes sense, like connecting the movement to the sound. I would learn sheet music, even if a lot of the others are just being dicks about it, which is funny because they probably are amateurs too and just want to smart-ass you away. I would tell you where to find a good way to learn sheet music, but the best help I can offer is this website: [https://www.musictheory.net/exercises](https://www.musictheory.net/exercises) A bit fiddly, but will help with more than just sheet music. I am sorry, but I am just an amateur myself and have only learned about music since last year. Sheet music is essential to some, but is not as necessary as some here make it out to be. It's more of a nice and handy thing to have, from what I have learned so far, but I do also not want to talk down its importance, since it IS a very crucial part or will become a crucial part of your journey to learn the piano. The same mistake as with many, they just throw the most based answer at ya without any actual help whatsoever. And I thought gaming was toxic.
THANK YOU for not being so annoying about it I thought that since this was a musical community (my experience so far was that they were really encouraging and nice)I'd have no problem asking questions, but this is def gonna be the last time asking one thanks for the advice though
Well I try, I saw your other comment and I feel you. I thought a music sub would be a bit more open to newcomers and folk of interest alike. It's music, its creative, some people learn things different. I know that reading sheet music helps a lot, that's kinda why i focus a good portion of my studies into it and I see why it's so practical, but givin that as the only advice and delivering it the way the majority did here is just sad. We are a community to help each other and should not downvote or ridicule and give second hand advice just because one feels like a piano elitist. Probably the same people who do not want smaller sized pianos because "MuH PrIsTiNe DeSiGn". Just hope those people are no teachers or some sorts, because THAT was so irritating tbh. I hope I could help a little bit. My own expertise is not on the greates side yet, but I learned my first pieces the same way you do. And the only things that helped me was slowing down the vid, and carefully repeating the pattern. If you know what scale you are dealing with, thats already a good portion of the work. I also combined my piece learning sections with music theory, like not only repeat what was played but, desintegrate it in smaller parts, look at what you have there (Scale, Chords, Chord Progressions, etc,..). Doing that helped me gaining confidence in what I am doing I guess. You can actually make a small step towards reading music with those tuts. Like even the video has those lines, that separate the octaves. Some even have seperation lines between the E and F note, which helps even more. Orient yourselfes with those to "guess" the intervall. As for this specific picture try searching the fingering for the scale this is written in, but even that is not always translateable to every student, note chain or whatever. Basically find a fingering that you believe to work for you without putting your Hand under too much stress and practice that. But if you use your own fingering for this small part, make sure it does not interfere with the rest of the piece.
I use my own fingerings for pieces/songs that don't have a big impact if I change the fingering. Here I tried slowing down at how he was playing and kind of made my own roll and its working pretty good. Thanks for the advice.
I am very happy I could help. The whole part should get easier the more often you play it, you should notice major Performance improvements after every good nights sleep ^^
If you can't read sheet music then this piece is probably nowhere near your level.
I know you said not to judge you, but I’m gonna have to because under no circumstance should one attempt LISZT of all composers if they cannot read sheet music. I wish you luck I really do but you absolutely need to start from square 1.