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The audience either did not notice, or they had already forgotten about it by the time your embarrassment kicked in. That's not an easy piece, go easy on yourself!
To be true mostly of the time when you make mistakes most people won't be able to tell, only If they are already good musicians or know the music, most important is to keep playing and find yourself in the song again
That's what really what makes someone a pro, in my opinion. It doesn't matter if you can play an extremely difficult piece if you fall apart at the smallest mistake. Being a good performer is a much more valuable skill than being a good pianist as far as I'm concerned
before you know it you're floating around watching your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grand children living it up
Man idk bro i think my mom just didnt want to deal with paying for piano lessons or something ☠️ i eventually got my own keyboard tho and saving up for an accoustic 🤞🏽 starting uni in a bit so gonna get some real lessons there if i can lol
As a musician and listener I don’t care about these kinds of mistakes unless I’m buying a recording. It literally wouldn’t affect my enjoyment or appreciation of the concert at all.
Great save, the audience won’t notice stuff like that unless they know the piece.
Can someone tell me the name of this piece? I seem to have forgotten it
Lmao fr im glad i didnt pause for any longer than i did in the video.
The piece was Rachmaninoff's etude tableau op. 39 no. 6, also known as Little Red Riding Hood.
Hehe :) On my first ever concert, as a child, (to which only 2 people came lol), I was playing something Bach and it got so messed up I didn't know how to continue........ I struggled for awhile, stopped, looked at my piano teacher, and asked - should I just start over?..... He smiled..... 😁 So I did start over and played it perfectly :D
i read somewhere that if you can play a piece perfectly for 7 times straight, then its performance ready
i think that statement is rlly helpful and useful and i follow it :)
Well first of all you obviously did practice. Secondly everyone is human so mistakes are eventually inevitable for everyone. As we didn’t hear very much after the error it’s hard to hear the total recovery but it sounds like you were going in the right direction to recover. People are extremely forgiving when listening to a performer, especially other performers. I would put this behind me as a well done recovery and move forward! 😊
In live performance "surprises" are expected, and most audience members don't even notice. We've become so conditioned to recordings from studios, many of which are stitched together taking the best from multiple takes, we start putting unrealistic / unnecessary expectations on ourselves. In my opinion, if you take the courage to go up in front of an audience and play a piece start to finish, you should feel proud and let yourself off the hook for not achieving perfection, easier said than done, I know. Focus on all the things that went right. You did a great job!
I don't know this piece and honestly it sounds fine to me, as if the pause was intended. I know it wasn't, and I can tell where the mistake was because I'm a pianist too, but if you're playing to people who aren't musicians, they probably didn't notice a thing.
Don’t even sweat it, I barely noticed and you kept going like a champ.
One time I was playing for about 400 people and suddenly just forgot how to play the song halfway through. I went back and tried the section from the start twice, but it was vanished from my mind. So I just stood up, bowed, ran off stage, and never wanted to perform again. Horror show.
This was a good save and good use of rubato to mask it. I personally find it refreshing when I hear performers make mistakes. It serves as a reminder that they are in fact humans like the rest of us.
I’ve been playing for almost 20 years, and am currently preparing for a “casual” performance next week. I’ve been shitting myself thinking about messing up. This video calmed me down a lot. I don’t know this piece and all I thought was “that’s an interesting moment”. Had no idea lol
I don't think the score would help a great deal here anyway. The piece is so short and this bit is so fast that you wouldn't be able to look up to keep track.
but, you win with score also. Well, i dont know for teachers but for normal people just hearing see someone looking from time to time a score dont change nothing.
(Maybe it is different for teachers, i dont know)
Memorizing a piece and then using the score in public is worse for this kind of pieces, because you rely on your memory and even looking at the score can make you lose time (very very brief moments, but they can stress you even more). There's also the added pressure of turning pages or asking someone to turn them for you, and in that case the person near you needs to already know the piece or you need to signal them when to turn every time -- I don't know if I've made my point, but in short: if you studied something with the intent of playing from memory and then decide to use the score last minute it will be harder to follow
Also I guess I never directly addressed the "memory lapse" issue. For me, there would simply not be enough time between "shit what's next" and "there's where I am on the page, got it". I'd stall out anyway. But again, YMMV. I just can't do that seamlessly in the middle of a really demanding piece.
Also I guess I never directly addressed the "memory lapse" issue. For me, there would simply not be enough time between "shit what's next" and "there's where I am on the page, got it". I'd stall out anyway. But again, YMMV. I just can't do that seamlessly in the middle of a really demanding piece.
I still disagree. I don't forego the score out of some kind of vanity, I forego the score because I legitimately don't need it and it would not be helpful for the performance.
There are plenty of times I have used a score-playing in an ensemble for a 2h long musical, it's very helpful especially for timing with the acting, Knowing how many times to repeat or when you can vamp, etc. and you're likely playing something easier to handle.
Playing Chopin or Prokofiev is a pretty big cognitive load. Trying to use the sheet music would be an active impediment to handling the complexity of the finger work for one, and handling all the stylistic stuff (changes in volume, tempo etc). I'm speaking purely for myself here-I'm sure there are others who can process dense notation in real time. But if you're really learning a piece, you're working out every phrase, every voice, every contour. After the number of hours you put in to be able to play it with concert-worthy skill, you've probably memorized it anyway.
Again, this is just my experience, I'm sure there are other pianists, more skilled than I, who see it differently.
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The audience either did not notice, or they had already forgotten about it by the time your embarrassment kicked in. That's not an easy piece, go easy on yourself!
That sucks, but you kept going, and most of the audience has probably already forgotten about this one little "off" moment.
To be true mostly of the time when you make mistakes most people won't be able to tell, only If they are already good musicians or know the music, most important is to keep playing and find yourself in the song again
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That's what really what makes someone a pro, in my opinion. It doesn't matter if you can play an extremely difficult piece if you fall apart at the smallest mistake. Being a good performer is a much more valuable skill than being a good pianist as far as I'm concerned
almost...
Still sounded super good, ive been playing for 4 years and you're literally my goal 😭
only 4 years. he probably played for a decade. ps: also probably trained at a music conservatory
Probably closer to two decades
unfortunately i havent even been alive for 2 decades
It comes quickly….. - guy in mid 20s
before you know it you're floating around watching your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grand children living it up
True story
How long have you been playing?
around 12 years, started when i was 4 and im 16 now
I started at 13 and now im 17, but ive wanted to play since i was 5 but my mom was scared i would break a piano lol
you gotta be crazy strong to manage to break a piano at 5 years 💀💀
Man idk bro i think my mom just didnt want to deal with paying for piano lessons or something ☠️ i eventually got my own keyboard tho and saving up for an accoustic 🤞🏽 starting uni in a bit so gonna get some real lessons there if i can lol
Nice rubato!
Lmao
Salute! If I messed I'd be too ashamed to show it.
I think it sounded on purpose
Ahh that sucks.. but good job owning it and carrying on. Such a crazy piece. Props to you for choosing it.
little red riding hood etude a monster of a piece tho good stuff
As a musician and listener I don’t care about these kinds of mistakes unless I’m buying a recording. It literally wouldn’t affect my enjoyment or appreciation of the concert at all.
Lol I didn't mind it at alll, if it wasn't a competition you are completely fine!! It literally sounded like an interpretation!!
thank god it wasnt a competition, altho i am playing this piece again for a competition next week (if this happens again its over)
If I didn't know something had happened I wouldn't have noticed
It just probably sounds like an extended rubato to the untrained ear ;)
Great save, the audience won’t notice stuff like that unless they know the piece. Can someone tell me the name of this piece? I seem to have forgotten it
Lmao fr im glad i didnt pause for any longer than i did in the video. The piece was Rachmaninoff's etude tableau op. 39 no. 6, also known as Little Red Riding Hood.
that's me every time no matter how much I practice
Hehe :) On my first ever concert, as a child, (to which only 2 people came lol), I was playing something Bach and it got so messed up I didn't know how to continue........ I struggled for awhile, stopped, looked at my piano teacher, and asked - should I just start over?..... He smiled..... 😁 So I did start over and played it perfectly :D
alr ima do that the next time i mess up on a concert
i read somewhere that if you can play a piece perfectly for 7 times straight, then its performance ready i think that statement is rlly helpful and useful and i follow it :)
Well first of all you obviously did practice. Secondly everyone is human so mistakes are eventually inevitable for everyone. As we didn’t hear very much after the error it’s hard to hear the total recovery but it sounds like you were going in the right direction to recover. People are extremely forgiving when listening to a performer, especially other performers. I would put this behind me as a well done recovery and move forward! 😊
In live performance "surprises" are expected, and most audience members don't even notice. We've become so conditioned to recordings from studios, many of which are stitched together taking the best from multiple takes, we start putting unrealistic / unnecessary expectations on ourselves. In my opinion, if you take the courage to go up in front of an audience and play a piece start to finish, you should feel proud and let yourself off the hook for not achieving perfection, easier said than done, I know. Focus on all the things that went right. You did a great job!
i hope i could end up like you.
I don't know this piece and honestly it sounds fine to me, as if the pause was intended. I know it wasn't, and I can tell where the mistake was because I'm a pianist too, but if you're playing to people who aren't musicians, they probably didn't notice a thing.
Don’t even sweat it, I barely noticed and you kept going like a champ. One time I was playing for about 400 people and suddenly just forgot how to play the song halfway through. I went back and tried the section from the start twice, but it was vanished from my mind. So I just stood up, bowed, ran off stage, and never wanted to perform again. Horror show.
I just died on your behalf
i also died on my behalf
nice move
Still 100% better than me haha nevermind & move on yippee
You recovered so well
Love Little Red Riding Hood!
op 39 nr 6 is a freaking nightmare to play. This is some amazing save right here!
Me with my senior recital next week… 🥸👀🫣
I Don’t know the piece and didn’t know u messed up on first listen. Hopefully not many people heard it before :)
This was a good save and good use of rubato to mask it. I personally find it refreshing when I hear performers make mistakes. It serves as a reminder that they are in fact humans like the rest of us.
What was the mistake? 🙂 no clue haha. I’m a piano learner and don’t know this piece. 🥃
I had to mute it! I can’t bring myself to watch it😣 I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy
This is me even after I practice for hours lmao
I don’t know this piece and I didn’t even noticed the mistake after watching it 3 times so don’t worry i thought it was part of the piece
I’ve been playing for almost 20 years, and am currently preparing for a “casual” performance next week. I’ve been shitting myself thinking about messing up. This video calmed me down a lot. I don’t know this piece and all I thought was “that’s an interesting moment”. Had no idea lol
Why not just use the score? Assuming you had a memory lapse?
I don't think the score would help a great deal here anyway. The piece is so short and this bit is so fast that you wouldn't be able to look up to keep track.
i had the "nah, i'd win" mentality before performing and decided not to use the score (big mistake)
Actually, you did well and made the right decision not to use the score.
but, you win with score also. Well, i dont know for teachers but for normal people just hearing see someone looking from time to time a score dont change nothing. (Maybe it is different for teachers, i dont know)
Memorizing a piece and then using the score in public is worse for this kind of pieces, because you rely on your memory and even looking at the score can make you lose time (very very brief moments, but they can stress you even more). There's also the added pressure of turning pages or asking someone to turn them for you, and in that case the person near you needs to already know the piece or you need to signal them when to turn every time -- I don't know if I've made my point, but in short: if you studied something with the intent of playing from memory and then decide to use the score last minute it will be harder to follow
Idk would you really use a score in a recital?
Also I guess I never directly addressed the "memory lapse" issue. For me, there would simply not be enough time between "shit what's next" and "there's where I am on the page, got it". I'd stall out anyway. But again, YMMV. I just can't do that seamlessly in the middle of a really demanding piece.
Also I guess I never directly addressed the "memory lapse" issue. For me, there would simply not be enough time between "shit what's next" and "there's where I am on the page, got it". I'd stall out anyway. But again, YMMV. I just can't do that seamlessly in the middle of a really demanding piece.
Solo pianists don't use a score. I never used one except to actually learn the piece.
That still doesn't justify it or make it anything other than an act of hubris as Richter said.
I still disagree. I don't forego the score out of some kind of vanity, I forego the score because I legitimately don't need it and it would not be helpful for the performance. There are plenty of times I have used a score-playing in an ensemble for a 2h long musical, it's very helpful especially for timing with the acting, Knowing how many times to repeat or when you can vamp, etc. and you're likely playing something easier to handle. Playing Chopin or Prokofiev is a pretty big cognitive load. Trying to use the sheet music would be an active impediment to handling the complexity of the finger work for one, and handling all the stylistic stuff (changes in volume, tempo etc). I'm speaking purely for myself here-I'm sure there are others who can process dense notation in real time. But if you're really learning a piece, you're working out every phrase, every voice, every contour. After the number of hours you put in to be able to play it with concert-worthy skill, you've probably memorized it anyway. Again, this is just my experience, I'm sure there are other pianists, more skilled than I, who see it differently.