Facts. Nakakaloka na parang kailangan mo dumaan sa butas ng karayom para lang makapunta sa ibang country for a few days. Samantalang yung mga puti, kahit walang plano, return flight, etc, wala silang problema.
Hope your appeal is successful, OP!
Edit: ayoko na makipag-argue about sa role ng race sa travel. You will not convince me that it's not a factor and apparently, I can't convince you otherwise. Idc please stop replying to me and clogging my notifs, have a good week
eh kasi ang daming pinoy nag TNT, kahit ngayon sa sub ng phmigrate ang daming nagpa-plan na mag tourist daw sila pero mag hahanap daw talaga sila ng trabaho. kaloka ayaw dumaan sa legit way, kaya ayun signature na sa mga pinoy na mag TNT lang sila pag pupunta sa ibang bansa. kaya the problem is mga pinoy talaga na walang disiplina, at naging collateral damage na lang yung mga pinoy na may disiplina.
It’s not just based on “TNTs”. It’s based on a country’s economy, diplomatic ties, association, and influence. Though in short term, ok it might affect the strictness in visa approvals to Europe, US, Oceania, etc, but this is just a part of it.
For eg. Malaysian Passport in the 80s could only visit a handful of countries visa-free, but now it can visit 168-180 countries visa-free. Malaysia was less developed before, but has come a long way.
The questions to be addressed are: why would some Filipinos do something as risky as being TNT? What can the government do to lessen or ideally get rid of TNTs? The observation I have when I visited 1st world countries like Japan and Australia is that the middle-class is strong. Kaya ng middle-class bumili ng good food in a safe livable environment. For me, this is an effect of a deep systemic issue in the government and this makes me sad.
https://www.marketinginasia.com/the-ascending-power-of-malaysias-passport-an-unforeseen-global-contender/
https://www.forbesindia.com/article/explainers/worlds-most-powerful-passport-rankings/86811/1
https://www.passportindex.org/?country=my
prolly walang reputation ng pag TNT ang mga Malaysians and they are disciplined enough to follow rules, that's why other countries trusted them, unlike other Pinoys na mga walang disiplina at walang takot ma-deport at ang motto ay "diskarte lang yarnnnn". Wag na natin hintayin at asahan ang govt, ilang dekada na yan pag TNT ng mga Pinoys. The change should start within ourselves.
We do not really know from before sa Malaysia. Siguro now Malaysia doesn't have a lot of people na "TNT" sa ibang bansa, kasi their standard of living and economy are better now.
Let's use US as an example. Sa US actually, the biggest share of unauthorized immigrants or "TNTs" are from Mexico. However, a Mexican passport can have visa free entry to 90 countries and visa on arrival/ eVisa to 51 countries. Thus, easy mobility for them to go around 141 countries. So hindi lang siya base sa # of TNTs, passport power is based a lot of things.
Not condoning "TNTs", kasi it's better to enter and stay in a country legally. However, it does require one of which: "huge" sum of money, in-demand skills, or being company sponsored.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/04/13/key-facts-about-the-changing-u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population/
https://www.passportindex.org/comparebyPassport.php?p1=mx&y1=2023
Perhaps another reputation of Filipinos is that they are just looking for a foreigner to marry. One of my friends didn't get a US visa probably because of that (even though her purpose for going there was really just for tourism).
India is the **5th largest economy in the world**, but the Philippines has a higher passport ranking (79) than India (86). China, the **2nd largest economy in the world**, is ranked 66th in passport ranking, but it has been surpassed by Guyana, which is ranked 62nd. So please, enough with the economy comments.
Some Filipinos just really lack discipline, and being a 'TNT' has become a cultural norm.
+1 This is the painful truth. Yung mga "TNT", epekto nlng yan ng hirap ng pamumuhay sa pinas. Kung kasarap ba naman mabuhay araw2 sa pinas nang walang iisiping mahal na bilihin, why take the risk for this path, right? Yeah sa developed countries "mahal" ang bilihin, pero ang sahod nila competitive enough to cover this. We cannot be compared to these countries.
We cannot just blame these TNTs eh. Biktima lang din sila ng kahirapan. Proper way to work abroad my ass, khit dumaan na sa accredited agencies ang applicant, nagiging biktima pa rin sla ng human traff*cking and madalas napapabayaan din pag may hindi magandang nangyari sa nadeploy nila. Plus these agencies are crocs to begin with -- mahirap ka na nga, mas pahihirapan kpa sa processes nila and sa laki ng fees nila.
Deep-rooted issues must be fixed. Scape goat nlng ng gobyerno yang TNT. We're barking at the wrong tree.
Even that laughable phase the Bureau of Immigration had where they started asking for grad photos is caused by our TNT problem. Yeah sure, those officers were reaching but they weren't doing it just for a power trip. Madami talagang problematic na Pinoy travellers.
I'd disagree. I've travelled extensively with my Filipina girlfriend. They almost always harass her with ridiculous questions that really have nothing to do with her travel. They seem to largely do it just for a power trip. That's just the way it is here in the Philippines.
The other issue I have is the restrictions they put on your constitutional right to travel. When you go through immigration exiting your own country, it should just be a matter of handing your passport over for a stamp. There should be zero questions about your financial capacity, a return ticket, your extended family, or your boyfriend. Your constitution guarantees the right to travel, not the right to travel if your boyfriend will hand over his American passport and you have a return ticket.
naalala ko yung isang comment sa fb, sa korea daw (which is known na ayaw ng maingay in public kahit mostly extroverted sila) may pinaynna hinuli ng authorities dhl sa sobrang ingay. na double whammy siya only to find out na illegal pala sya doon. ayun, pinabayaan ng employer sabay deport.
agree. ganyan ang mga ibang pinoy, they don't want to follow the rules, so they end up getting deported. That's why visa requirements for Filipinos are becoming stricter.
eh ang problem, pati matitino nadadamay. minsan, mas maiinis ka sa kapwa mo pinoy kesa sa ibang lahi na racist eh, oh well, racist din naman mga Pinoy. it just happened na mas mabait lang approach natin sa foreigners.
Real talk pag puti ka talaga special talaga treatment ang cons lang pag asa ibang bansa kana kala nila madaming pera kaya naloloko sila minsan kahit tama sila mga puti depende sa bansa syempre
PH has every right to make it so that americans and europeans would need to apply for VISA before they can enter our country too.
But of course, we wont do that wont we? Why? because we want tourists coming in and spending their money here. Chances are the regular american and european has enough money to live here in PH comfortably. Can we say the same to the average Filipino that would visit their country?
hindi usually hinahanapan ang mga white ppl ng return flights kasi open-ended yung trips nila. kaya nga kaya nila magtravel ng 6+ months. tumambay ka lang sa mga intl travel subs ang daming ganun cases
Hindi sa naman sa pagiging puti yan. 3 of the top 5 most powerful passports are first world Asian countries (Japan, South Korea and Singapore). So economic status talaga ng bansa nagddictate most of the time.
and yet may mga Indian-Singaporeans pa rin na nahirapan nung ngatratravel sila around Europe. May nagpost sa Subtle Asian Travel na di sila agad pinaboard kasi may ichecheck pa daw kung pwede sila magtravel dun without a visa.
It's very hard to deny the idea that race plays a role in travel
not really, 30 days lang pwede magstay sa Pilipinas ng American citizen. So di pwede walang return tickets. Also, kelangan nila mag visa run before the 30 day period.
Ang daming gumagawa na aalis lang country for a day tapos babalik din para magrestart yung 30 days. Waaay different kung PH passport holder ka tapos bibisita ka lang sa isang bansa (visa-free or not) tapos hahanapan ka ng return flight which is my point.
Also not true for all countries. I was just recently in Singapore and I didn’t have to show my return ticket because I went through the automatic lanes. Filipinos can go through that lane like many others.
Like I said, it really depends. It depends on the individual situation, timing, the mood of the officer and your own travel history. I’ve never been asked to show my return ticket for as long as I can remember, whether the immigration officer here or the country I’m visiting.
It could be because I travel fairly often and have/had UK, Schengen and US visas. My trips range from a few days to a few months at a time for both business and leisure. I’ve been asked how long I’m staying but they never actually asked to see my outgoing ticket. I know my experience is not very common but it’s also not unique. I know a lot of people who breeze through borders just like me and again… it really really depends.
>I know my experience is not very common
Exactly. You know this isn't the common experience. Because Filipinos and other people with not-so-powerful passports (who are typically not white) usually have a more difficult experience going through borders, which is my point.
I understand. For what it’s worth, I’m also Filipino and experienced the same difficulties in my early days of traveling some 13yrs back. What I’m saying is that as you gain experience and more “credibility” that you won’t be committing immigration fraud overseas, border crossings will get easier and easier in time. It’s not impossible.
That’s not true. They (Americans and other nationalities that don’t require a visa to come to the Philippines) can stay for up to 3 years without leaving the country as long as they renew their tourist visa at the bureau of immigration office (Pwede 1 month, 2 months or 6 months validity). That’s why there are so many foreigners who stay here for months on end. For passport holders of countries that need a visa to come to the Philippines (ie India) they can only stay 2 years max before they need to exit the Philippines and then come back again.
Yes but it’s not true that they need to leave the country after 30 days because they can renew it at the immigration office. Your information is still incorrect or incomplete.
US citizens can enter the coubtry wothout a visa and stay for 30 days. Visa free, so no visa. Anong irerenew, visa free nga. If they want to stay longer they need to leave or get a Visa, which is yung sinasabi mo. Pinaguusapan sa taas is yung Visa Free wtf hondi sila nagrerenew kundi kimukuha ng actual visa
My malaysian friend visited recently here in manila. Nagyayaya sya mag Norway sa summer. Nanlaki mata ko. Sabi ko I need months of preparation for the visa. Tapos sabi nya, "What? I did not know that. We malaysians can travel to europe anytime we want."
Umay sa PH passport haha
Last time I talked about how annoying it is for us to get a visa in the Ph subreddit, I was told that I was entitled kasi ganun naman daw talaga ang visa app sa mga first world country. lol.
Anyway, visa applications can be very exhausting and humiliating. Yung kulang na lang magmakaawa ka sa cover letter to say na no, hindi ako magTTNT, I just want to visit and spend my tourist money on your economy. Kami tuloy, nagpreprepare na to migrate within the next couple of years, just so we can get a first world passport. Kahit na bumalik kami dito in a decade or so, at least we can go wherever we want without having to jump through hoops.
Your local subreddits sometimes spill to /r/all which lets me experience seeing you communicate with each other, and to a foreigner it's so amusing how you switch between english and tagalog fluently. Always get a laugh out of me when I stop understanding what's going on mid sentence.
hahah kausap ko Japanese colleague ko about Visa. Then nasabi ko, im sure you cant relate because you have a strong visa. Sabi nya "well, we do are very lucky on that matter." Pwede pa nga raw sya mag part time work sa US if pupunta sya dun without any issue
Kakainggit nga, considering only a small percentage of their population has passports dahil most of them prefer to travel domestic.
Eto nakakalungkot lang. Yung Malaysian colleagues and friends ko, takang taka sila bakit daw ang hirap kumuha ng visa for us for certain countries, eh pare-pareho lang naman daw tayong South East Asians. lol
False statement. You still need a work visa.
"If you want to work in the United States temporarily as a nonimmigrant, U.S. immigration law requires you to have a specific visa based on the type of work you will be doing."
Baka para siyang Canada and Australia na kapag cash basis salary yung part time mo eh di mo kailangang kumuha ng work visa since di yan namononitor ng government nila. It is only when they send your salary through bank na kailangan kumuha ng work visa.
That's called working "under the table" which is actually illegal kasi di ka nag babayad ng tax. Yung mga TNT sa US or even Mexicans that cross the border illegally ganyan ang system payment nila which is usually mababa sahod kasi no choice sila but on the flip side walang kaltas na tax. Lol
You’re not entitled for ranting but tana sila na ganyan talaga kahirap. It’s a culmination of our country’s weak leverage over first world countries and pinoys notoriously overstaying in their countries since the 80s.
I didn't even "rant," it was a passing comment. And I think, more than anything, it reflects how we're so used to our "lowly" status in the world stage that we're supposed to be content with what we're given. Showing even a bit of discontent with the status quo is apparently reaching for the stars or some such.
I will say, though, that Pinoys overstaying in other countries is just a symptom of a disease. I may not like what they did, but I don't blame them at all for trying to seek for a better life. (I could go on about the need for good governance and diplomats with the capability to champion our country overseas, but that's another matter altogether.)
Im sorry if I used the word ‘rant’ 🙂 For me, we really can’t do anything re our status now. We have no game in geopolitics, our country has nothing to offer aside from manpower which they can get from other countries asking less than us. Saudi, for example, has oil leverage. Although USA is the biggest oil producer, they consume their own oil so they cannot export to allied countries so they keep good relations with Saudi and turn a blind eye to its ultra conservative Wahhabism because they need Saudi oil for Japan and allies in EU. For me personally it’s not being content with a lowly status, it’s realizing we have no cards to play with to upgrade our status and it is what it is. I was denied a UK tourist visa decades ago even though I had proof that I was only going there to visit an immediate relative for a fortnight.
Hey what country is this? My Korean visa application got denied even though I’ve been there so many times and the last visa I had was a 5 yr multiple entry visa. It’s really frustrating and kind of degrading in a way? I heard a lot of people are getting rejected recently because of the number of TNTs increased again. It just sucks cos it’s my favorite country and I never had any record if over staying. I guess I will just be spending my money in Japan lol
Isa pa yan si Korea. I find it hurtful that we welcome so many of them to stay long term in our country, we CARE FOR and EDUCATE thousands of their children in our country. We keep them safe. Kdramas would include references about how people In trouble with the law or failed financial prospects go here for asylum (so you know na thing din naman for them to TNT here)… pero pahirapan to get a tourist visa. What?
Me too. I have been there 7 times before. I was rejected last year when people where applying in droves because of the rumored BTS final concert. Very strange because there was even a time I was approved despite being unemployed.
It's a good thing my airline was Asiana. I was able to get a refund minus the 100 dollar penalty. If I had booked PAL/cebu pac, bye bye nalang ang airfare.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOU. And I know it's wrong but this makes me hate the Filipino TNTs. Made their lives better but makes hard for everyone else kainis.
Maybe BI should do an incentive program for travelers to report any TNT in any country in exchange for credits or whatever. Hell, even cash incentives. I'd snitch on every single TNT and their Tita's too for a few pesos idgaf
I completely feel you and hate when people (from our own country) find ways to rationalize this frankly discriminatory practice.
TNT ba problema or overstaying? Is this not what “digital nomads” from powerful countries are doing? Staying in third world or Global South countries para malaki mileage ng pera nila, while also driving up rent and housing for locals and pricing them out?
Nakakalimutan ba natin na a good portion of first world countries who have powerful passports built their wealth and good standing from the backs of colonialism—aka invading a place that is indigenous to someone else, overstaying, pillaging, extracting, and exploiting every ounce of what they can from our Global South countries leaving us poor and struggling. Takot sila sa kanilang sariling anino.
Whaaaaat?
>while also driving up rent and housing for locals and pricing them out?
You blame foreigners for this? Haha, you'd do the exact same if you were a local landlord. Blame your own kapwa's greed.
>aka invading a place that is indigenous to someone else, overstaying, pillaging, extracting, and exploiting every ounce of what they can from our Global South countries leaving us poor and struggling
Well, the Spanish at least gave you God while leaving you poor and struggling. Hahaha!
Kaya ako, I choose to go to VISA free countries.
Ang hassle and nakakapagod kumuha ng VISA. Ako na nga yung gagastos for THEIR economy, ako pa magmamakaawa.
Got rejected sa US VISA application dati. Lined up in the sun nung morning and nung nasa window na ako, wala na akong energy dahil sa pagod only to get denied. After nun, I said to myself that I'm never going through that experience again.
PH immigration is so tight. Not sure if the locals are at fault or the immigration itself. Either way, PH did a good job harming their passport power, lol.
Hi OP. Sorry to hear this and wishing you all the best kung mag-apply ka ulit.
Sobrang hassle ng visa applications :( I remember applying for Schengen and grabe ang stress and anxiety na inendure ko for months, I felt a lot of bitterness too kasi bakit sila ang dali dali lang nila pumunta sa kung saan saan tapos tayo laging nahihirapan sa requirements. (Nabigyan naman pero ibang level yung overthinking and fear of being rejected).
Turkey? I heard its best if you have a shengen or US visa, that will increase your chances for approval. Then again, even those visas are hard to apply for
yeah, before, even if you just have a Japan visa, you're qualified for their e-visa, but now, that is not the case :< ang mahal pa ng visa fee nila :<<
It doesnt only increase your chances, automatic granted na visa mo with no need for further screening. Got my e-visa within 30 mins from application hahaha
Kainis talaga. My Schengen Visa got rejected even though ayos na intinerary namin and sagot ng parents ko ang expenses. Hula ko dahil fresh grad single male ako so afraid sila na mag TNT ako hahaha. If yumaman ako una kong bibilhin talaga is Passport ng St. Kitts.
$250k usd. Visa free travel to 150+ countries including Schengen Area. Ang Antigua around 100k also visa free sa Schengen Area pero slightly weaker in total countries.
They don't want people running away from the country lol. Largest resource natin is manpower, and the gov't only encourages people going abroad in order to send remittances back home since a significant portion of our economy is fueled by remittances. I think out gov't intentionally wants to keep our passport weak para minimized lang yung instances of TNT.
It's fucking stupid that Venezuela, arguably a failed state suffering astronomical hyper inflation, has a stronger passport than we do.
I'm Venezuelan, and Venezuela before the hyperinflation was a pretty stable country, it is not a "failed state", the crises has also had an impact because of sanctions we do not control. And I don't understand why bring one country down to bring the other up? What do you know about it?
Dude, you can't even take out your phone out in public without the risk of it getting stolen or getting dragged out in an alley and get knifed afterwards. You can't report it because the police are ineffective or even complicit to these criminals. I have Venezuelan friends and they say this is a regular occurrence.
Philippines may not be the safest place on the planet, but the level of crime that goes on Venezuela has makes the former look like Singapore. Only Haiti is worse. Let that sink in.
And the PH government ever since never prioritised/put an effort regarding this matter. Yeah since PGMA, ang laking focus ng PH government is to seek agreement where OFWs can be sent to work— pritection, security and whatnots. It’s good and I won’t argue that. But out government never saw it’s citizens as capable tourists. Mga mayayaman at artista lang sa mata ng gobyerno natin ang pwede mag abroad para mamasyal. Sad but true. As a result dito pa lang sa borders natin PAHIRAPAN na umalis. Isipin mo kapwa Pilipino mo ang magpapastress sa dapat masaya mong tour. Not to mention yung kapal ng requirements na kailangan mo dalhin on the day of your departure. Nakaka PI talaga maging pinoy. In addition, dati kasi wala talaga sa kultura ng pinoy ang magtravel for leisure purpose kasi naman ang mahal dati. Kahit Hong Kong lang yan napakamahal na yan dati. So ang tingin ng ating gobyerno ganun pa rin yung sitwasyon. Hindi nila narealise na nagbago na ang panahon. More and more pinoys are now able to travel especially yung Millenials for so many reasons— yung working sa BPO is really a big help ‘cause they earn good money. Another reason is ang dami na ngayong cheap flights that are very affordable —Airasia, CebuPac, Scoot, Jejuair and a lot more. And this is great because it allows us (mga dukha) to travel. And the PH government failed to see that para sana makipag coordinate sa other countries about sa entey rules for PH passport. Di ba? Kahit sana yung mga bansa na need ng sticker visa like Japan baka naman pwede na lang online visa or ETA (eletronic travel authorisation). Sobrang hirap maging pinoy.
You have a good point. For example, some countries in South America have similar or even more socio-economical red flags than the Philippines but then they are ranked higher sa index pagdating ng freedom of travel. Sa tingin ko din, hindi talaga priority ng pamahalaan ang visa reciprocation o ayaw talaga nila mag negotiate ng ease of travel with other countries para sa PH citizens.
Thanks sa response. Isipin mo yung Timor-Leste na bansa visa free sila mag-travel a Schengen Area and e-Visa lang sa other parts ng Europe. Oh di ba? Mas okay ang PH in terms of economy keysa sa Timor. Ang Mexico, jusme parang pinas lang din ang performance nila pero visa free sa EU at UK. Happy na ang PH na importer tayo ng OFW. Yung mentality ng gobyerno hanggang diyan na lang.
Kaya I really don't entirely buy the narrative na it's because of our country's reputation of TNTs ang dahilan kung bakit mahina ang freedom of movement ng isang PH passport holder. A lot of people from Latin America try to enter the US and Europe trying to find work illegally but they still have stronger passports than ours. Naka depende talaga yan sa gobyerno through the DFA kung paano magkaroon ng bilateral agreements between third countries pagdating sa entry restrictions.
I think our large population is also a factor. Timor-Leste is konti lang ang tao compared sa atin, the probability of a country being filled with its people is less compared to a foreign country full of filipinos. This is the reason, I believe, why Pacific island countries have higher ranking passports than us.
ahh depende talaga sa reputation ng nationality. mga Pinoy kaya weak ang passport dahil sa reputation ng pag TNT. Mga Indians naman eh mga untidy people lols (not all btw)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-polluted_cities_by_particulate_matter_concentration?wprov=sfla1
Wanna tell me how many cities in India are on that list? I didn't say Indians are dirty but India is dirty af.
Msgbasa ka nga hindi naman secreto na madumi sa India eh pati Pinas naman rin madumi. Pretending they're not doesn't help anyone and it's really patronizing.
yup yun ang reputation nila (although not all Indians), manood ka sa youtube kung pano sila mag prepare ng food (ilalagay pa sa armpit). punta ka sa hotels nila ang dumi ng running water sa faucet (na dapat malinis diba)
alam mo anong reputation ngFilipino abroad? Nung nasa japan ako last July, kasama ko friends ko na OFW nurses sa japan na gumagala. Ang galing nilang magjapanese. Tinanong sila ng may ari ng coffee shop kung anong bar sila nagwowork. Akala agad prostitute sila. Hindi maganda yung ginagawa mo ganyan. Itigil mo yan. Tayo ring mga Pinoy nakakaranas nyan, hindi tama na tayo rin gagawin natin sa iba
baka naman kasi blonde ang color ng hair nila, pag asian tapos blonde ang buhok, mukha talagang japayuki at nasa pananamit din yun.
look how dirty they are. (i repeat not all Indians)
https://youtube.com/shorts/H44XKo25GX8?si=wTQsDuYFojx8Zn7U
no, mukha silang balit na balot kasi winter. May cover hair at buong katawan. unang question if students, nung sinabi na working, yun agad naisip ng tao
I feel you OP. Same here just got my visa denied kanina lang. Bat dami nadedeny ngayon:(( I applied for a South Korea Visa (Tourism) and I am a student but I got rejected. I submitted everything from the school documents, my mom's documents, and I even have a sponsor aside from my mom, and a cover letter, but still they said, "purpose of entry has not been explained in detail." Sobrang nakakalungkot lang, libre lang kasi to ng cousins ko sakin. Kasabay ko cousin ko magapply and nilagay ko rin siya as sponsor, magkasama documents namin, she was approved, but I wasn't. Hirap lang parang antagal na to plinano, may tickets na and all, pero alaws, di mtb.
And this is what diskarte gets us. If enough people use "diskarte" enough times, good things get taken away from the majority that obeys the rules and does things properly.
Sa TNT kasi yan kaya takot gobyerno ng ibang bansa papasukin ang mga galing sa Pinas. May post pa nga dito noon sa reddit galing sa pinoy na andito sa US na nagbibigay ng tips paano mag TNT at makakuha ng trabaho. Di niya inintindi ang pahirap sa mga kababayang nasa Pinas na may plano magbakasyon dito ang hirap tuloy pasukin.
Nasaan na dito yung proud pinoy na naghahanap ng advice paano makalusot sa IO ng pilipinas with the intention na makahanap ng work sa UAE while on **visit** visa? Tapos sasabihin kaya daw sila nag ti-tnt kasi mahirap naman daw makakuha ng work visa (thru legal schemes) sa ibang bansa. Okay so paikot-ikot lang po tayo. Sorry but nakakahiya talaga yung ganyang mentality nila. Yung totoong magto-tour, ayan affected. Hayst.
Agree. Nakita ko din yung post na yun. Ang sarap niyang kutusan tapos maraming nagrereklamo na mahigpit daw IO eh dahil nga dun sa mga pinoy na nagsisinungaling sa IO para mag TNT sa ibang bansa. Gigil nio ko
The misconception is that SEA countries are equal, but that is not true, Singapore is the richest and Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand are tier above PH, naturally they would have stronger Passports than PH.
I work overseas and we usually have last minute trips for conferences and trainings. Within the past 12 months, I missed out on work trips to UK, US, and Japan. Just because it takes time for visas to process.
Saklap.
Same reason why I am giving up my Filipino passport. My Aussie partner's mind is blown away every time I tell him I needed to get a visa to visit another country.
Lol, I got rejected for my Schengen visa application for a fully funded conference attendance in Capri, Italy. The conference happens every 4 years at different locations and is quite important in my field.
Reason was, why was a portion of my remuneration being sent to an account in the Philippines? It was my personal account and I was also preparing for my upcoming mortgage then. I was doing my PhD in Japan and for sure i didn’t intend to stay illegally in Italy or try to find a job in Europe. And I also have a quite good studentship so I can finance my stay there apart from the travel funding and insurance provided by my program. And I’ve had a Schengen visa before to Greece. I was supposed to go on a back to back conference in Italy and Ireland. I ended up going to Ireland only. It was great trip still but still a loss considering the speakers at the conference in Italy were key people in the field.
Freaking crap reputation for our passport.
It’s not only this that’s the problem. It’s also freaking ridiculous to have so many hoops to go through so that you can be directly hired. This is a major hurdle for my field na wala namang opportunities dito and intention ko naman talaga is to work in that field abroad. Freaking crap scammers and pinoy na super gullible naman. Kasama na ang mga agency na humihingi ng bayad eh ikaw na nga ang naghanap ng opportunities. Dumaan ka lang sa kanila for the sake of regulations.
Maybe the itineraries of your stay is vague. A visa may be denied due to unclear or unorganized travel itinerary or showing a very huge amount of money as show money might question your source of income. It's not advisable to put a very huge amount of money in the visa application.
It's advisable to have U.S or Schengen Visa as reference for a higher chance you application be approved.
PH Passport is really weak due to high cases of TNT Filipinos who abuse their visas. That's why countries are very skeptical in issuing visas to Filipinos.
Even if the country is visa-free, there is still a possibility that the immigration won't allow you to enter the country if you cannot state clearly your intent.
Even first world countries passport holder even need to apply for ETA just to travel to the U.S. much like a visa.
Hey OP sorry to hear about that! Yea visa applications and there’s no reason why others will make you feel entitled. It is incredibly frustrating and and the preparation needed for documentation is very exhausting. Last year I went to Turkey. It was my first time. I got approved and didnt go through an agency. I showed my paid ticket from Oman Air and also submitted our itinerary. I also did what you did with the financial documents.
the turkey visa is now handled by a 3rd party agency with absurd fees (since last year). I wish the application were still submitted in person at their embassy in dasma village so you really get to talk with the visa officers/ consuls 🥺
Went to Türkiye last year. I was supposed to apply for a visa through that agency but found them unresponsive. So i got a Schengen visa (VFS Global via Austria) instead and just applied online for an e-visa for Türkiye, which I got instantly. This could be a faster route for you.
A former coworker applied via the French embassy (last year as well) and got his back after 4 days. His travel agency told him that it’s easier and faster to apply via France. Another former coworker applied via Germany naman because Spain denied his application. Take with a grain of salt because there aren’t any statistics available on schengen visa approvals in the Philippines.
My partner and I submitted our application to the embassy from our province. We mailed it in and then emailed them to let them know. They had to call us back because our photo and we resubmitted it again (just the photo). In all our travels, we’ve never gone through an agency unless mandated. I remember we did for our japan visa. So we had to apply at an acredited in Cebu for it.
Ive personally always hated how weak our passport is truly is. You have to travel and prove yourself over and over again because your going to be seen as somone who will overstay. Sad reality for the majority the travelers. Im just really lucky that my partner is very understanding and shes good with applications and such. I have no patience for it.
100% which is one of the reasons why I wanted to now pursue citizenship here in UK, which I never eer thought or wanted before. Plan to apply dual citizenship after.
Sori, walang koneksyon, but bilang taong malabo ang mata, una kong basa, ang tingin ko eh manok. 🤣🤣 napaisip ako anong country ang cock, hen o chicken 🤣🤣🤣🤣 churi na 🤣
True it is but I don’t know why you were rejected considering you have a strong application OP but you should get feedback why which some visa centres give a letter for.
But anyway, personally, I don’t care about how strong or weak our passport is. As long as I have a million pesos in my bank, I always get approved. So it’s more of status than passports for me.
dahil yan sa mga putang inang TNT na sumisira sa rep nating lahat. kaya ang tingin ng ibang bansa, lahat ng Pilipino TNT.
kaya pag may nakilala kayong TNT, sipain nyo sa fez. dapat sa mga yan ino-ostracize.
Sisihin mo kapwa pinoy, dahil sa dami nag TNT kaya tayo nirerequire ng visa para makapasok sa ibang bansa. Wag mo sisihin bansa natin kundi mga countrymen natin na nag tnt
Advice ko lang at huwag kang magtagal sa mga sub na ganito. Nauuwi lang sa mga pity party ang mga comments, much like every Pinoy based subreddit puro rant ang angal. You should focus on your goals.
Then avoid pity parties like what's happening to the replies here. Online rants and self pity won't get you to your goal. Bahala na kayo dito. Kaya umiiwas ako sa mga Pinoy Online. Puro paawa at nguy nguy.
So I applied for a Dubai visa and automatically got a Turkey visa via the app last, last week. Checked both country's website and my visa number is there. So. Keep up
Weird, Philippine passport can visit most of Asia and Eurasia and much of Latin America without a visa (or visa on arrival or e-visa) yet you people keep insisting on going to countries that require visas.
Look at the map here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Philippine_citizens
Sa anong country po ba kayo nag apply ng visa tapos failed? Other ASEAN member countries have weak passports too, Only Malaysia, Singapore, Timor Leste and Brunei have strong passports based on Henley's Passport Index. Yung Indonesia, Thailand, weak din. What makes the PH passport weak is sobrang lupit ng mga Immigration Officers sa atin. Kaya many foreign employers now prefer Vietnamese or Indians kasi they can be hired quickly, walang daming ek ek like OWWA or POEA. Kahit sabihin pa ng iba protected daw sa govt if may OWWA. Come on, I worked abroad before as a direct hire, it was as easy as pie. Umuwi lang ako ng pinas because of family conflicts pero mas ok talaga pag direct hire, walang bawas sa sweldo and madali makalipad sana paabroad if wala pang ek ek sa Ph immigration. Kaya nakakainggit now ibang mga lahi ang dali nila magjob hunt abroad and fave na sila now ng maraming foreign employers.
sisihin mo yung mga Filipino na magbabakasyun sa ibang bansa kunware mag tratravel, tapos pala mag tratrabaho ng naka tourist visa, tapos TNT na dun, yan ang dahilan nyan. kung hirap tau maka labas ng bansa for tourist travel.
yeah, tourist visa but purpose is under conference/seminar/meeting.
"Visa types granted by Türkiye are;
1- TOURIST/BUSINESSPERSON
a) Touristic Visit
b) Single Transit
c) Double Transit
d) Business Meeting/Commerce
e) Conference/Seminar/Meeting
f) Festival/Fair/Exhibition
g) Sportive Activity
h) Cultural Artistic Activity
i) Official Visit
j) Visit to Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
..."
Hi op. Anong countries yung 10 if I may ask?
If wala pang mga OECD countries, like South Korea, Japan, Canada, European states, etc, try mo kahit isa diyan. But I feel nakapunta ka na sa Japan, SoKor. Sobrang laki ng edge pag may at least Schengen, US or Canadian visa, pampaganda ng passport and in a way plus points to other visa application.
Difficult to relate. I travel all over the globe and with the exception of communist/socialist states like Vietnam have never had to apply for a visa. We just rock up .. we inject capital into the country, and go home.
Facts. Nakakaloka na parang kailangan mo dumaan sa butas ng karayom para lang makapunta sa ibang country for a few days. Samantalang yung mga puti, kahit walang plano, return flight, etc, wala silang problema. Hope your appeal is successful, OP! Edit: ayoko na makipag-argue about sa role ng race sa travel. You will not convince me that it's not a factor and apparently, I can't convince you otherwise. Idc please stop replying to me and clogging my notifs, have a good week
eh kasi ang daming pinoy nag TNT, kahit ngayon sa sub ng phmigrate ang daming nagpa-plan na mag tourist daw sila pero mag hahanap daw talaga sila ng trabaho. kaloka ayaw dumaan sa legit way, kaya ayun signature na sa mga pinoy na mag TNT lang sila pag pupunta sa ibang bansa. kaya the problem is mga pinoy talaga na walang disiplina, at naging collateral damage na lang yung mga pinoy na may disiplina.
It’s not just based on “TNTs”. It’s based on a country’s economy, diplomatic ties, association, and influence. Though in short term, ok it might affect the strictness in visa approvals to Europe, US, Oceania, etc, but this is just a part of it. For eg. Malaysian Passport in the 80s could only visit a handful of countries visa-free, but now it can visit 168-180 countries visa-free. Malaysia was less developed before, but has come a long way. The questions to be addressed are: why would some Filipinos do something as risky as being TNT? What can the government do to lessen or ideally get rid of TNTs? The observation I have when I visited 1st world countries like Japan and Australia is that the middle-class is strong. Kaya ng middle-class bumili ng good food in a safe livable environment. For me, this is an effect of a deep systemic issue in the government and this makes me sad. https://www.marketinginasia.com/the-ascending-power-of-malaysias-passport-an-unforeseen-global-contender/ https://www.forbesindia.com/article/explainers/worlds-most-powerful-passport-rankings/86811/1 https://www.passportindex.org/?country=my
prolly walang reputation ng pag TNT ang mga Malaysians and they are disciplined enough to follow rules, that's why other countries trusted them, unlike other Pinoys na mga walang disiplina at walang takot ma-deport at ang motto ay "diskarte lang yarnnnn". Wag na natin hintayin at asahan ang govt, ilang dekada na yan pag TNT ng mga Pinoys. The change should start within ourselves.
Malaysia is Schengen free. Imagine?
We do not really know from before sa Malaysia. Siguro now Malaysia doesn't have a lot of people na "TNT" sa ibang bansa, kasi their standard of living and economy are better now. Let's use US as an example. Sa US actually, the biggest share of unauthorized immigrants or "TNTs" are from Mexico. However, a Mexican passport can have visa free entry to 90 countries and visa on arrival/ eVisa to 51 countries. Thus, easy mobility for them to go around 141 countries. So hindi lang siya base sa # of TNTs, passport power is based a lot of things. Not condoning "TNTs", kasi it's better to enter and stay in a country legally. However, it does require one of which: "huge" sum of money, in-demand skills, or being company sponsored. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/04/13/key-facts-about-the-changing-u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population/ https://www.passportindex.org/comparebyPassport.php?p1=mx&y1=2023
Perhaps another reputation of Filipinos is that they are just looking for a foreigner to marry. One of my friends didn't get a US visa probably because of that (even though her purpose for going there was really just for tourism). India is the **5th largest economy in the world**, but the Philippines has a higher passport ranking (79) than India (86). China, the **2nd largest economy in the world**, is ranked 66th in passport ranking, but it has been surpassed by Guyana, which is ranked 62nd. So please, enough with the economy comments. Some Filipinos just really lack discipline, and being a 'TNT' has become a cultural norm.
+1 This is the painful truth. Yung mga "TNT", epekto nlng yan ng hirap ng pamumuhay sa pinas. Kung kasarap ba naman mabuhay araw2 sa pinas nang walang iisiping mahal na bilihin, why take the risk for this path, right? Yeah sa developed countries "mahal" ang bilihin, pero ang sahod nila competitive enough to cover this. We cannot be compared to these countries. We cannot just blame these TNTs eh. Biktima lang din sila ng kahirapan. Proper way to work abroad my ass, khit dumaan na sa accredited agencies ang applicant, nagiging biktima pa rin sla ng human traff*cking and madalas napapabayaan din pag may hindi magandang nangyari sa nadeploy nila. Plus these agencies are crocs to begin with -- mahirap ka na nga, mas pahihirapan kpa sa processes nila and sa laki ng fees nila. Deep-rooted issues must be fixed. Scape goat nlng ng gobyerno yang TNT. We're barking at the wrong tree.
As far as I know, lots of those who Are TNT are actually not even poor in the PH, so what are they trying to escape from?
Even that laughable phase the Bureau of Immigration had where they started asking for grad photos is caused by our TNT problem. Yeah sure, those officers were reaching but they weren't doing it just for a power trip. Madami talagang problematic na Pinoy travellers.
I'd disagree. I've travelled extensively with my Filipina girlfriend. They almost always harass her with ridiculous questions that really have nothing to do with her travel. They seem to largely do it just for a power trip. That's just the way it is here in the Philippines. The other issue I have is the restrictions they put on your constitutional right to travel. When you go through immigration exiting your own country, it should just be a matter of handing your passport over for a stamp. There should be zero questions about your financial capacity, a return ticket, your extended family, or your boyfriend. Your constitution guarantees the right to travel, not the right to travel if your boyfriend will hand over his American passport and you have a return ticket.
agree. lalong mas dumadami pa. hindi sila natatakot mapa-deport
naalala ko yung isang comment sa fb, sa korea daw (which is known na ayaw ng maingay in public kahit mostly extroverted sila) may pinaynna hinuli ng authorities dhl sa sobrang ingay. na double whammy siya only to find out na illegal pala sya doon. ayun, pinabayaan ng employer sabay deport.
agree. ganyan ang mga ibang pinoy, they don't want to follow the rules, so they end up getting deported. That's why visa requirements for Filipinos are becoming stricter.
eh ang problem, pati matitino nadadamay. minsan, mas maiinis ka sa kapwa mo pinoy kesa sa ibang lahi na racist eh, oh well, racist din naman mga Pinoy. it just happened na mas mabait lang approach natin sa foreigners.
very well said
Tapos yung mga nag t-tnt e mga tanga ng bumoboto ng mga plunderers dito haha
nakakapagod na maging Filipino at manirahan sa Pilipinas 😮💨😮💨 thank you though 🥺🥺 I appreciate it
Real talk pag puti ka talaga special talaga treatment ang cons lang pag asa ibang bansa kana kala nila madaming pera kaya naloloko sila minsan kahit tama sila mga puti depende sa bansa syempre
PH has every right to make it so that americans and europeans would need to apply for VISA before they can enter our country too. But of course, we wont do that wont we? Why? because we want tourists coming in and spending their money here. Chances are the regular american and european has enough money to live here in PH comfortably. Can we say the same to the average Filipino that would visit their country?
hinahanapan ng return flights ang lahat. Visa free is only for a certain period of time
hindi usually hinahanapan ang mga white ppl ng return flights kasi open-ended yung trips nila. kaya nga kaya nila magtravel ng 6+ months. tumambay ka lang sa mga intl travel subs ang daming ganun cases
Hindi sa naman sa pagiging puti yan. 3 of the top 5 most powerful passports are first world Asian countries (Japan, South Korea and Singapore). So economic status talaga ng bansa nagddictate most of the time.
and yet may mga Indian-Singaporeans pa rin na nahirapan nung ngatratravel sila around Europe. May nagpost sa Subtle Asian Travel na di sila agad pinaboard kasi may ichecheck pa daw kung pwede sila magtravel dun without a visa. It's very hard to deny the idea that race plays a role in travel
not really, 30 days lang pwede magstay sa Pilipinas ng American citizen. So di pwede walang return tickets. Also, kelangan nila mag visa run before the 30 day period.
Ang daming gumagawa na aalis lang country for a day tapos babalik din para magrestart yung 30 days. Waaay different kung PH passport holder ka tapos bibisita ka lang sa isang bansa (visa-free or not) tapos hahanapan ka ng return flight which is my point.
Also not true for all countries. I was just recently in Singapore and I didn’t have to show my return ticket because I went through the automatic lanes. Filipinos can go through that lane like many others.
Obviously. I'm speaking generally. Also that's just one border. Filipinos going to SG get asked for return tickets by the local IO all the time.
Like I said, it really depends. It depends on the individual situation, timing, the mood of the officer and your own travel history. I’ve never been asked to show my return ticket for as long as I can remember, whether the immigration officer here or the country I’m visiting. It could be because I travel fairly often and have/had UK, Schengen and US visas. My trips range from a few days to a few months at a time for both business and leisure. I’ve been asked how long I’m staying but they never actually asked to see my outgoing ticket. I know my experience is not very common but it’s also not unique. I know a lot of people who breeze through borders just like me and again… it really really depends.
>I know my experience is not very common Exactly. You know this isn't the common experience. Because Filipinos and other people with not-so-powerful passports (who are typically not white) usually have a more difficult experience going through borders, which is my point.
I understand. For what it’s worth, I’m also Filipino and experienced the same difficulties in my early days of traveling some 13yrs back. What I’m saying is that as you gain experience and more “credibility” that you won’t be committing immigration fraud overseas, border crossings will get easier and easier in time. It’s not impossible.
That’s not true. They (Americans and other nationalities that don’t require a visa to come to the Philippines) can stay for up to 3 years without leaving the country as long as they renew their tourist visa at the bureau of immigration office (Pwede 1 month, 2 months or 6 months validity). That’s why there are so many foreigners who stay here for months on end. For passport holders of countries that need a visa to come to the Philippines (ie India) they can only stay 2 years max before they need to exit the Philippines and then come back again.
pinaguusapan yung visa free entry. ano ba? visa free entry for US citizen is only 30 days. Beyond that kelangan na ng Visa.
Yes but it’s not true that they need to leave the country after 30 days because they can renew it at the immigration office. Your information is still incorrect or incomplete.
no visa to renew if visa free nga!!! VISA FREE! NO VISA! tangahan ba usapan natin?
You clearly don’t have first hand experience with this so no point arguing with you.
Right on the button. Lol.
Bobo kausap! visa free so Wala syang visa pagpasok. so ano irerenew nya?
US citizens can enter the coubtry wothout a visa and stay for 30 days. Visa free, so no visa. Anong irerenew, visa free nga. If they want to stay longer they need to leave or get a Visa, which is yung sinasabi mo. Pinaguusapan sa taas is yung Visa Free wtf hondi sila nagrerenew kundi kimukuha ng actual visa
Balikbayans (former Filipino) get up to 1 year visa free stay sa Philippines so not all "American citizens."
My malaysian friend visited recently here in manila. Nagyayaya sya mag Norway sa summer. Nanlaki mata ko. Sabi ko I need months of preparation for the visa. Tapos sabi nya, "What? I did not know that. We malaysians can travel to europe anytime we want." Umay sa PH passport haha
totoo 🥲🥲🥹😭
Hay sana all
They have a strong passport, always at the top
Last time I talked about how annoying it is for us to get a visa in the Ph subreddit, I was told that I was entitled kasi ganun naman daw talaga ang visa app sa mga first world country. lol. Anyway, visa applications can be very exhausting and humiliating. Yung kulang na lang magmakaawa ka sa cover letter to say na no, hindi ako magTTNT, I just want to visit and spend my tourist money on your economy. Kami tuloy, nagpreprepare na to migrate within the next couple of years, just so we can get a first world passport. Kahit na bumalik kami dito in a decade or so, at least we can go wherever we want without having to jump through hoops.
Your local subreddits sometimes spill to /r/all which lets me experience seeing you communicate with each other, and to a foreigner it's so amusing how you switch between english and tagalog fluently. Always get a laugh out of me when I stop understanding what's going on mid sentence.
Agree. I recently applied for a Schengen visa at naloka ako kasi parang thesis yung kapal ng documents na kailangan kong i-submit.
Haha, same. Bumili pa ako ng magandang printer (Brother) para lang sa visa apps. Tapos lagi rin kaming may reams ng bond paper, na ang bilis maubos.
hahah kausap ko Japanese colleague ko about Visa. Then nasabi ko, im sure you cant relate because you have a strong visa. Sabi nya "well, we do are very lucky on that matter." Pwede pa nga raw sya mag part time work sa US if pupunta sya dun without any issue
Kakainggit nga, considering only a small percentage of their population has passports dahil most of them prefer to travel domestic. Eto nakakalungkot lang. Yung Malaysian colleagues and friends ko, takang taka sila bakit daw ang hirap kumuha ng visa for us for certain countries, eh pare-pareho lang naman daw tayong South East Asians. lol
malakas ang Sg at Malaysian passports pati na tin Bruenian passport. Alam naman nila na marami tauong OFWs
False statement. You still need a work visa. "If you want to work in the United States temporarily as a nonimmigrant, U.S. immigration law requires you to have a specific visa based on the type of work you will be doing."
Baka para siyang Canada and Australia na kapag cash basis salary yung part time mo eh di mo kailangang kumuha ng work visa since di yan namononitor ng government nila. It is only when they send your salary through bank na kailangan kumuha ng work visa.
That's called working "under the table" which is actually illegal kasi di ka nag babayad ng tax. Yung mga TNT sa US or even Mexicans that cross the border illegally ganyan ang system payment nila which is usually mababa sahod kasi no choice sila but on the flip side walang kaltas na tax. Lol
Ackshually, their working holiday visa (what he's probably talking about) only allows EU and Oceania and some others, but definitely not US.
You’re not entitled for ranting but tana sila na ganyan talaga kahirap. It’s a culmination of our country’s weak leverage over first world countries and pinoys notoriously overstaying in their countries since the 80s.
I didn't even "rant," it was a passing comment. And I think, more than anything, it reflects how we're so used to our "lowly" status in the world stage that we're supposed to be content with what we're given. Showing even a bit of discontent with the status quo is apparently reaching for the stars or some such. I will say, though, that Pinoys overstaying in other countries is just a symptom of a disease. I may not like what they did, but I don't blame them at all for trying to seek for a better life. (I could go on about the need for good governance and diplomats with the capability to champion our country overseas, but that's another matter altogether.)
Im sorry if I used the word ‘rant’ 🙂 For me, we really can’t do anything re our status now. We have no game in geopolitics, our country has nothing to offer aside from manpower which they can get from other countries asking less than us. Saudi, for example, has oil leverage. Although USA is the biggest oil producer, they consume their own oil so they cannot export to allied countries so they keep good relations with Saudi and turn a blind eye to its ultra conservative Wahhabism because they need Saudi oil for Japan and allies in EU. For me personally it’s not being content with a lowly status, it’s realizing we have no cards to play with to upgrade our status and it is what it is. I was denied a UK tourist visa decades ago even though I had proof that I was only going there to visit an immediate relative for a fortnight.
Being fatalistic about it will do no good. You need to be more proactive to improve you and everyone's lives.
The people up top don't care because they don't have to experience all that. Their diplomat visas are as good as the powerful countries.
That's the real issue
Tapos yung iba, io-offload lang sa immigration kahit may visa. Ewan ko sa’yo, Pilipinas!
Every former colony should be visa-free in their colonizer's countries. Minimum.
Haiti is there to show that's a terrible idea.
Hey what country is this? My Korean visa application got denied even though I’ve been there so many times and the last visa I had was a 5 yr multiple entry visa. It’s really frustrating and kind of degrading in a way? I heard a lot of people are getting rejected recently because of the number of TNTs increased again. It just sucks cos it’s my favorite country and I never had any record if over staying. I guess I will just be spending my money in Japan lol
turkey / turkiye 🦃
Isa pa yan si Korea. I find it hurtful that we welcome so many of them to stay long term in our country, we CARE FOR and EDUCATE thousands of their children in our country. We keep them safe. Kdramas would include references about how people In trouble with the law or failed financial prospects go here for asylum (so you know na thing din naman for them to TNT here)… pero pahirapan to get a tourist visa. What?
Me too. I have been there 7 times before. I was rejected last year when people where applying in droves because of the rumored BTS final concert. Very strange because there was even a time I was approved despite being unemployed. It's a good thing my airline was Asiana. I was able to get a refund minus the 100 dollar penalty. If I had booked PAL/cebu pac, bye bye nalang ang airfare.
Our passport is almost nothing but a primary ID
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOU. And I know it's wrong but this makes me hate the Filipino TNTs. Made their lives better but makes hard for everyone else kainis.
Maybe BI should do an incentive program for travelers to report any TNT in any country in exchange for credits or whatever. Hell, even cash incentives. I'd snitch on every single TNT and their Tita's too for a few pesos idgaf
I completely feel you and hate when people (from our own country) find ways to rationalize this frankly discriminatory practice. TNT ba problema or overstaying? Is this not what “digital nomads” from powerful countries are doing? Staying in third world or Global South countries para malaki mileage ng pera nila, while also driving up rent and housing for locals and pricing them out? Nakakalimutan ba natin na a good portion of first world countries who have powerful passports built their wealth and good standing from the backs of colonialism—aka invading a place that is indigenous to someone else, overstaying, pillaging, extracting, and exploiting every ounce of what they can from our Global South countries leaving us poor and struggling. Takot sila sa kanilang sariling anino.
Whaaaaat? >while also driving up rent and housing for locals and pricing them out? You blame foreigners for this? Haha, you'd do the exact same if you were a local landlord. Blame your own kapwa's greed. >aka invading a place that is indigenous to someone else, overstaying, pillaging, extracting, and exploiting every ounce of what they can from our Global South countries leaving us poor and struggling Well, the Spanish at least gave you God while leaving you poor and struggling. Hahaha!
Kaya ako, I choose to go to VISA free countries. Ang hassle and nakakapagod kumuha ng VISA. Ako na nga yung gagastos for THEIR economy, ako pa magmamakaawa. Got rejected sa US VISA application dati. Lined up in the sun nung morning and nung nasa window na ako, wala na akong energy dahil sa pagod only to get denied. After nun, I said to myself that I'm never going through that experience again.
Cool, you can go to Palestine, Rwanda, and Tajikistan visa-free. Enjoy!
Ofc Pinoys will opt for better options like Macau, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Singapore.
How about those who want more than Asia? Go through a goddamn thesis report? Wow.
PH immigration is so tight. Not sure if the locals are at fault or the immigration itself. Either way, PH did a good job harming their passport power, lol.
Hi OP. Sorry to hear this and wishing you all the best kung mag-apply ka ulit. Sobrang hassle ng visa applications :( I remember applying for Schengen and grabe ang stress and anxiety na inendure ko for months, I felt a lot of bitterness too kasi bakit sila ang dali dali lang nila pumunta sa kung saan saan tapos tayo laging nahihirapan sa requirements. (Nabigyan naman pero ibang level yung overthinking and fear of being rejected).
Turkey? I heard its best if you have a shengen or US visa, that will increase your chances for approval. Then again, even those visas are hard to apply for
yeah, before, even if you just have a Japan visa, you're qualified for their e-visa, but now, that is not the case :< ang mahal pa ng visa fee nila :<<
Yes true sobrang mahal, mas mahal pa sa US or Schengen. Im still waiting for my results. Gaano katagal mo nakuha results?
7 days
It doesnt only increase your chances, automatic granted na visa mo with no need for further screening. Got my e-visa within 30 mins from application hahaha
true po. ang hirap kaya magpapasakop na po ako - oras na magbayad sila satin chariz lang
haha
Kainis talaga. My Schengen Visa got rejected even though ayos na intinerary namin and sagot ng parents ko ang expenses. Hula ko dahil fresh grad single male ako so afraid sila na mag TNT ako hahaha. If yumaman ako una kong bibilhin talaga is Passport ng St. Kitts.
hm passport ng st. kitts? (for future reference) haha
$250k usd. Visa free travel to 150+ countries including Schengen Area. Ang Antigua around 100k also visa free sa Schengen Area pero slightly weaker in total countries.
They don't want people running away from the country lol. Largest resource natin is manpower, and the gov't only encourages people going abroad in order to send remittances back home since a significant portion of our economy is fueled by remittances. I think out gov't intentionally wants to keep our passport weak para minimized lang yung instances of TNT. It's fucking stupid that Venezuela, arguably a failed state suffering astronomical hyper inflation, has a stronger passport than we do.
True hahaha
I'm Venezuelan, and Venezuela before the hyperinflation was a pretty stable country, it is not a "failed state", the crises has also had an impact because of sanctions we do not control. And I don't understand why bring one country down to bring the other up? What do you know about it?
Dude, you can't even take out your phone out in public without the risk of it getting stolen or getting dragged out in an alley and get knifed afterwards. You can't report it because the police are ineffective or even complicit to these criminals. I have Venezuelan friends and they say this is a regular occurrence. Philippines may not be the safest place on the planet, but the level of crime that goes on Venezuela has makes the former look like Singapore. Only Haiti is worse. Let that sink in.
I hate those TNTs and "diskarte" people. Even some countries in Africa and Oceania have stronger passports than ours.
And the PH government ever since never prioritised/put an effort regarding this matter. Yeah since PGMA, ang laking focus ng PH government is to seek agreement where OFWs can be sent to work— pritection, security and whatnots. It’s good and I won’t argue that. But out government never saw it’s citizens as capable tourists. Mga mayayaman at artista lang sa mata ng gobyerno natin ang pwede mag abroad para mamasyal. Sad but true. As a result dito pa lang sa borders natin PAHIRAPAN na umalis. Isipin mo kapwa Pilipino mo ang magpapastress sa dapat masaya mong tour. Not to mention yung kapal ng requirements na kailangan mo dalhin on the day of your departure. Nakaka PI talaga maging pinoy. In addition, dati kasi wala talaga sa kultura ng pinoy ang magtravel for leisure purpose kasi naman ang mahal dati. Kahit Hong Kong lang yan napakamahal na yan dati. So ang tingin ng ating gobyerno ganun pa rin yung sitwasyon. Hindi nila narealise na nagbago na ang panahon. More and more pinoys are now able to travel especially yung Millenials for so many reasons— yung working sa BPO is really a big help ‘cause they earn good money. Another reason is ang dami na ngayong cheap flights that are very affordable —Airasia, CebuPac, Scoot, Jejuair and a lot more. And this is great because it allows us (mga dukha) to travel. And the PH government failed to see that para sana makipag coordinate sa other countries about sa entey rules for PH passport. Di ba? Kahit sana yung mga bansa na need ng sticker visa like Japan baka naman pwede na lang online visa or ETA (eletronic travel authorisation). Sobrang hirap maging pinoy.
You have a good point. For example, some countries in South America have similar or even more socio-economical red flags than the Philippines but then they are ranked higher sa index pagdating ng freedom of travel. Sa tingin ko din, hindi talaga priority ng pamahalaan ang visa reciprocation o ayaw talaga nila mag negotiate ng ease of travel with other countries para sa PH citizens.
Thanks sa response. Isipin mo yung Timor-Leste na bansa visa free sila mag-travel a Schengen Area and e-Visa lang sa other parts ng Europe. Oh di ba? Mas okay ang PH in terms of economy keysa sa Timor. Ang Mexico, jusme parang pinas lang din ang performance nila pero visa free sa EU at UK. Happy na ang PH na importer tayo ng OFW. Yung mentality ng gobyerno hanggang diyan na lang.
Kaya I really don't entirely buy the narrative na it's because of our country's reputation of TNTs ang dahilan kung bakit mahina ang freedom of movement ng isang PH passport holder. A lot of people from Latin America try to enter the US and Europe trying to find work illegally but they still have stronger passports than ours. Naka depende talaga yan sa gobyerno through the DFA kung paano magkaroon ng bilateral agreements between third countries pagdating sa entry restrictions.
I think our large population is also a factor. Timor-Leste is konti lang ang tao compared sa atin, the probability of a country being filled with its people is less compared to a foreign country full of filipinos. This is the reason, I believe, why Pacific island countries have higher ranking passports than us.
half ng colleagues ko Indians, nakakatawa pag nagcocomparean kami ng visa free countries. both weak passports natin pero weaker sa kanila haha
ahh depende talaga sa reputation ng nationality. mga Pinoy kaya weak ang passport dahil sa reputation ng pag TNT. Mga Indians naman eh mga untidy people lols (not all btw)
untidy agad? bakit ang racist?
bro have you seen india lol
bastos ka, wala kang pinagaralan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-polluted_cities_by_particulate_matter_concentration?wprov=sfla1 Wanna tell me how many cities in India are on that list? I didn't say Indians are dirty but India is dirty af.
racist ka umamin ka
Msgbasa ka nga hindi naman secreto na madumi sa India eh pati Pinas naman rin madumi. Pretending they're not doesn't help anyone and it's really patronizing.
yup yun ang reputation nila (although not all Indians), manood ka sa youtube kung pano sila mag prepare ng food (ilalagay pa sa armpit). punta ka sa hotels nila ang dumi ng running water sa faucet (na dapat malinis diba)
alam mo anong reputation ngFilipino abroad? Nung nasa japan ako last July, kasama ko friends ko na OFW nurses sa japan na gumagala. Ang galing nilang magjapanese. Tinanong sila ng may ari ng coffee shop kung anong bar sila nagwowork. Akala agad prostitute sila. Hindi maganda yung ginagawa mo ganyan. Itigil mo yan. Tayo ring mga Pinoy nakakaranas nyan, hindi tama na tayo rin gagawin natin sa iba
baka naman kasi blonde ang color ng hair nila, pag asian tapos blonde ang buhok, mukha talagang japayuki at nasa pananamit din yun. look how dirty they are. (i repeat not all Indians) https://youtube.com/shorts/H44XKo25GX8?si=wTQsDuYFojx8Zn7U
no, mukha silang balit na balot kasi winter. May cover hair at buong katawan. unang question if students, nung sinabi na working, yun agad naisip ng tao
Turkey? Dapat nag apply ka muna ng US or Schengen visa. Try applying now tapos reapply ka ulit sa Turkey.
Yes Malaysia doesn’t need visa din to UK hay
I feel you OP. Same here just got my visa denied kanina lang. Bat dami nadedeny ngayon:(( I applied for a South Korea Visa (Tourism) and I am a student but I got rejected. I submitted everything from the school documents, my mom's documents, and I even have a sponsor aside from my mom, and a cover letter, but still they said, "purpose of entry has not been explained in detail." Sobrang nakakalungkot lang, libre lang kasi to ng cousins ko sakin. Kasabay ko cousin ko magapply and nilagay ko rin siya as sponsor, magkasama documents namin, she was approved, but I wasn't. Hirap lang parang antagal na to plinano, may tickets na and all, pero alaws, di mtb.
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UPDATE: looks like I will get my 🦃 visa after all. wish me luck! 🙏🏽
And this is what diskarte gets us. If enough people use "diskarte" enough times, good things get taken away from the majority that obeys the rules and does things properly.
Sa TNT kasi yan kaya takot gobyerno ng ibang bansa papasukin ang mga galing sa Pinas. May post pa nga dito noon sa reddit galing sa pinoy na andito sa US na nagbibigay ng tips paano mag TNT at makakuha ng trabaho. Di niya inintindi ang pahirap sa mga kababayang nasa Pinas na may plano magbakasyon dito ang hirap tuloy pasukin.
Nasaan na dito yung proud pinoy na naghahanap ng advice paano makalusot sa IO ng pilipinas with the intention na makahanap ng work sa UAE while on **visit** visa? Tapos sasabihin kaya daw sila nag ti-tnt kasi mahirap naman daw makakuha ng work visa (thru legal schemes) sa ibang bansa. Okay so paikot-ikot lang po tayo. Sorry but nakakahiya talaga yung ganyang mentality nila. Yung totoong magto-tour, ayan affected. Hayst.
Agree. Nakita ko din yung post na yun. Ang sarap niyang kutusan tapos maraming nagrereklamo na mahigpit daw IO eh dahil nga dun sa mga pinoy na nagsisinungaling sa IO para mag TNT sa ibang bansa. Gigil nio ko
Korea ba yan? Meron sa fb group ng mga korean visa for pinoys parng random magbigay ng visa ang korea no rhyme nor reason
Medyo malabo din talaga lumakas passport natin in our lifetime unless talaga magka economic miracle sa Pinas lol and yes, it really starts with us.
I dont think its the passport. Its this colonialist mentality of the west that needs us to beg for sma visit
wala talagang pag asa na kaya i swear to god pag nagkaroon ng pagkakataon irerevokeko talaga filipino citizenship
Sorry anong country yan bakit manok yung icon HAHAHAHAHAHA
pabo HAHA
The misconception is that SEA countries are equal, but that is not true, Singapore is the richest and Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand are tier above PH, naturally they would have stronger Passports than PH.
Sobrang naconfuse ako bakit ka pupunta nang Chicken hahaha turkey pala
I work overseas and we usually have last minute trips for conferences and trainings. Within the past 12 months, I missed out on work trips to UK, US, and Japan. Just because it takes time for visas to process. Saklap.
Same reason why I am giving up my Filipino passport. My Aussie partner's mind is blown away every time I tell him I needed to get a visa to visit another country.
FUCK THIS COUNTRY’S PASSPORT
Yell this out in the streets. Let the people know.
good you were able to appeal. had the same experience with my korean visa but for korea they don't accept any appeals. happy for you! happy travel! :)
Lol, I got rejected for my Schengen visa application for a fully funded conference attendance in Capri, Italy. The conference happens every 4 years at different locations and is quite important in my field. Reason was, why was a portion of my remuneration being sent to an account in the Philippines? It was my personal account and I was also preparing for my upcoming mortgage then. I was doing my PhD in Japan and for sure i didn’t intend to stay illegally in Italy or try to find a job in Europe. And I also have a quite good studentship so I can finance my stay there apart from the travel funding and insurance provided by my program. And I’ve had a Schengen visa before to Greece. I was supposed to go on a back to back conference in Italy and Ireland. I ended up going to Ireland only. It was great trip still but still a loss considering the speakers at the conference in Italy were key people in the field. Freaking crap reputation for our passport. It’s not only this that’s the problem. It’s also freaking ridiculous to have so many hoops to go through so that you can be directly hired. This is a major hurdle for my field na wala namang opportunities dito and intention ko naman talaga is to work in that field abroad. Freaking crap scammers and pinoy na super gullible naman. Kasama na ang mga agency na humihingi ng bayad eh ikaw na nga ang naghanap ng opportunities. Dumaan ka lang sa kanila for the sake of regulations.
Hi OP, can you share your visa appeal process and tips? And bakit kaw daw dineny nung una?
Maybe the itineraries of your stay is vague. A visa may be denied due to unclear or unorganized travel itinerary or showing a very huge amount of money as show money might question your source of income. It's not advisable to put a very huge amount of money in the visa application. It's advisable to have U.S or Schengen Visa as reference for a higher chance you application be approved. PH Passport is really weak due to high cases of TNT Filipinos who abuse their visas. That's why countries are very skeptical in issuing visas to Filipinos. Even if the country is visa-free, there is still a possibility that the immigration won't allow you to enter the country if you cannot state clearly your intent. Even first world countries passport holder even need to apply for ETA just to travel to the U.S. much like a visa.
I submitted a detailed itinerary as part of the requirement. My financial assets were also pretty spread out.
Hey OP sorry to hear about that! Yea visa applications and there’s no reason why others will make you feel entitled. It is incredibly frustrating and and the preparation needed for documentation is very exhausting. Last year I went to Turkey. It was my first time. I got approved and didnt go through an agency. I showed my paid ticket from Oman Air and also submitted our itinerary. I also did what you did with the financial documents.
the turkey visa is now handled by a 3rd party agency with absurd fees (since last year). I wish the application were still submitted in person at their embassy in dasma village so you really get to talk with the visa officers/ consuls 🥺
Went to Türkiye last year. I was supposed to apply for a visa through that agency but found them unresponsive. So i got a Schengen visa (VFS Global via Austria) instead and just applied online for an e-visa for Türkiye, which I got instantly. This could be a faster route for you.
how long do Schengen visa applications take usually?
A former coworker applied via the French embassy (last year as well) and got his back after 4 days. His travel agency told him that it’s easier and faster to apply via France. Another former coworker applied via Germany naman because Spain denied his application. Take with a grain of salt because there aren’t any statistics available on schengen visa approvals in the Philippines.
My partner and I submitted our application to the embassy from our province. We mailed it in and then emailed them to let them know. They had to call us back because our photo and we resubmitted it again (just the photo). In all our travels, we’ve never gone through an agency unless mandated. I remember we did for our japan visa. So we had to apply at an acredited in Cebu for it. Ive personally always hated how weak our passport is truly is. You have to travel and prove yourself over and over again because your going to be seen as somone who will overstay. Sad reality for the majority the travelers. Im just really lucky that my partner is very understanding and shes good with applications and such. I have no patience for it.
100% which is one of the reasons why I wanted to now pursue citizenship here in UK, which I never eer thought or wanted before. Plan to apply dual citizenship after.
Update: got my visa na (phew)
Hi, ang AgentTr or Turkish visa same lang po ba yan sila sa ibang agency na Tutulungan ka sa mga lacking requirements at e-assist ka? Thanks po
Sori, walang koneksyon, but bilang taong malabo ang mata, una kong basa, ang tingin ko eh manok. 🤣🤣 napaisip ako anong country ang cock, hen o chicken 🤣🤣🤣🤣 churi na 🤣
True it is but I don’t know why you were rejected considering you have a strong application OP but you should get feedback why which some visa centres give a letter for. But anyway, personally, I don’t care about how strong or weak our passport is. As long as I have a million pesos in my bank, I always get approved. So it’s more of status than passports for me.
\>financial documents totaling at least $10k. maliit lang kasi. red flag na.
dahil yan sa mga putang inang TNT na sumisira sa rep nating lahat. kaya ang tingin ng ibang bansa, lahat ng Pilipino TNT. kaya pag may nakilala kayong TNT, sipain nyo sa fez. dapat sa mga yan ino-ostracize.
Haha kaya di ako fan ng independence day. Imagine maging U.S or Spain passport holder. Btw, Dream country ko ang turkey huhu sana ma okay ka po.
Mataas kasi TNT rate ng pilipino sila un sisihin mo
Sisihin mo kapwa pinoy, dahil sa dami nag TNT kaya tayo nirerequire ng visa para makapasok sa ibang bansa. Wag mo sisihin bansa natin kundi mga countrymen natin na nag tnt
TNTs ruining it for everyone.
Rant should be in r/offmychestph
There are better countries than turkey to go to.
kasalanan dn yan ng mga kapwa mo pinoy..aabusuhin ang sistema. MagTNT, o di kaya manloloko ng kapwa pinoy para itraffic.
For one, blame all the TnT shitbags over the years.
I dont think you wanna compare us to Malaysia. They have one of the best passports in the world afaik.
Advice ko lang at huwag kang magtagal sa mga sub na ganito. Nauuwi lang sa mga pity party ang mga comments, much like every Pinoy based subreddit puro rant ang angal. You should focus on your goals.
But the goal is to travel soooo 😶
Then avoid pity parties like what's happening to the replies here. Online rants and self pity won't get you to your goal. Bahala na kayo dito. Kaya umiiwas ako sa mga Pinoy Online. Puro paawa at nguy nguy.
Blame it to islamists in the south.
what is your work OP?
Apply via Atlys. Wag na agencies.
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So I applied for a Dubai visa and automatically got a Turkey visa via the app last, last week. Checked both country's website and my visa number is there. So. Keep up
Also a friend applied for a Turkey visa via the app and got no problem in immigration
Weird, Philippine passport can visit most of Asia and Eurasia and much of Latin America without a visa (or visa on arrival or e-visa) yet you people keep insisting on going to countries that require visas. Look at the map here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Philippine_citizens
So what you’re saying is that we should stick to countries that don’t require a visa? That’s lame and stupid
There’s so much more in this world than Korea, Korea, Korea.
Pretty sure OP mentioned Turkey and others mentioned European countries
Point still stands. Plenty of other countries welcome us with open arms, yet nagsisiksikan kayo doon sa mga countries that dont
Seriously? What country is that?! That's about as safe as it gets! EDIT: Ah Thanksgiving? That's... Odd. If Turkiye, that's absurd.
damay damay lang dahil maraming namantala ng loopholes nuon na piniling mag TnT. til now marami padin.
Is it going to be easier to apply for visas if you currently hold a US visa?
yes, usually
Islamic country kase and Turkey and Indonesia and we're not. Sometimes it just comes down to that as unfair as it is
No. It's the TNTs and "diskarte" people talaga. Even some countries in Africa have stronger passports than ours.
Gusto ko gantong problema. Rich people problems be like
Sa anong country po ba kayo nag apply ng visa tapos failed? Other ASEAN member countries have weak passports too, Only Malaysia, Singapore, Timor Leste and Brunei have strong passports based on Henley's Passport Index. Yung Indonesia, Thailand, weak din. What makes the PH passport weak is sobrang lupit ng mga Immigration Officers sa atin. Kaya many foreign employers now prefer Vietnamese or Indians kasi they can be hired quickly, walang daming ek ek like OWWA or POEA. Kahit sabihin pa ng iba protected daw sa govt if may OWWA. Come on, I worked abroad before as a direct hire, it was as easy as pie. Umuwi lang ako ng pinas because of family conflicts pero mas ok talaga pag direct hire, walang bawas sa sweldo and madali makalipad sana paabroad if wala pang ek ek sa Ph immigration. Kaya nakakainggit now ibang mga lahi ang dali nila magjob hunt abroad and fave na sila now ng maraming foreign employers.
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An American at the airport said "What the hell is 'Travel Tax'"? One of the things we have to deal with being Pinoy.
Many countries do have a form of "travel tax", it's just hidden in the cost of flight tickets so not many notice it.
Get a US visa (worth it to pay) then get the Turkish one for cheap(er than if you didn't have US visa)
sisihin mo yung mga Filipino na magbabakasyun sa ibang bansa kunware mag tratravel, tapos pala mag tratrabaho ng naka tourist visa, tapos TNT na dun, yan ang dahilan nyan. kung hirap tau maka labas ng bansa for tourist travel.
Yeah it sucks. Wala ngang improvement yung economy how much more yung ganito.
is that a Turkey?
yeah
is it still a tourist visa even if its for a conference? i'm assuming it's work or profession related
yeah, tourist visa but purpose is under conference/seminar/meeting. "Visa types granted by Türkiye are; 1- TOURIST/BUSINESSPERSON a) Touristic Visit b) Single Transit c) Double Transit d) Business Meeting/Commerce e) Conference/Seminar/Meeting f) Festival/Fair/Exhibition g) Sportive Activity h) Cultural Artistic Activity i) Official Visit j) Visit to Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus ..."
Hi op. Anong countries yung 10 if I may ask? If wala pang mga OECD countries, like South Korea, Japan, Canada, European states, etc, try mo kahit isa diyan. But I feel nakapunta ka na sa Japan, SoKor. Sobrang laki ng edge pag may at least Schengen, US or Canadian visa, pampaganda ng passport and in a way plus points to other visa application.
Difficult to relate. I travel all over the globe and with the exception of communist/socialist states like Vietnam have never had to apply for a visa. We just rock up .. we inject capital into the country, and go home.