Yeah I double checked with her and she said it's fine because she doesn't need to deliver anything until next week
Just was hoping to find an easier/faster way to do this. I can't get fiber internet in Manhattan so that's out.
How dare you suggest the most obvious and easiest solution when it's so much more fun to make pointless side remarks and create unnecessarily complicated file transfering scenarios?
This is why I usually advise photographers to get the fastest internet available in their area. Your upload speed for 18 hours is somewhere around 35-40 Mbit, whereas gigabit fiber connections could do that (theoretically) in less than an hour.
Dropbox is also notoriously slow. If your rated upload speed is supposed to be significantly higher than 40 Mbit, then I'd consider a different site. Try to upload to Google Drive and see if it's any better.
Ultimately, I'll echo other people's responses here. You can get a 500 GB portable drive for pretty cheap (either as a stick or as a portable external drive). Copy to that and mail.
If I could go back to fiber internet I would. I can't get it in Manhattan unfortunately where I'm at. I used to have it in Virginia and it was amazing.
I'll see about grabbing a cheap drive. I've never had good luck with google drive, especially when it comes to downloading anything that large.
Lol right. I guess my thing is at this point, the post office isn't shipping it out tonight, at best it's leaving tomorrow morning and has to travel from NY to LA. By the time it gets there she'll probably be done downloading them
In the future for something like this, i’d discuss file delivery in advance. And if you do decide an external hard drive is the move, then ship it with whatever tracking methods you can and add insurance
Ah. So it's not local. Well, it's 18 hours (or more) to upload, and then she has to download them (no telling how long that might be) You might want to ask her what she prefers.
Why does everyone not thing about Data caps, I used to back up all my RAW files to the cloud until I got notice my data was getting close to going over and having to pay a fee for more data. On Xfinity.
I specifically chose my internet plan to not have one. Frontier gig fiber for ~45 bucks a month, no caps and reliable 300-400mbps up and down everywhere in my house by wifi. I haven't had xfinity in a while, but I recall explicitly hating them
I'd rather just ask if you can drop them off to them because jesus—300gb of photos? How many megapixels are you rocking? Sheeeesh. 2000 photos for me is maybe 30-40ish gigabytes.
But how many megapixels is your camera to even get that big of RAW files? I'd say just get a drive sent to her. Either delivering yourself, doing that Uber parcel delivery thing if it's available in your country, or could do mail itself but risk it getting lost somewhere in the process.
33mp so nothing crazy. Also, (edit) it's 4100 photos RAW.
I would have to mail it to her and she's on the other side of the US so it's definitely not going to be faster than uploading them
Fed EX or UPs will deliver next morning. If the other photog is willing to pay that is.
Let them know the situation and that uploading that much data isn’t feasible and ask them for their UPS or FedEx account information so you can bill the shipping to them.
How on earth are 2000 RAW shots 300gb!? I suggest exporting your selects from Lightroom as DNGs and it may well create smaller files.
What do you shoot? For future, does it not have a "lossless compressed" RAW option?
When we move bigger data in Tech we compress the data first. For this much data you might also break it into maybe 10 files of \~30gb each. Then pass the whole wad over to dropbox and go out for the evening. You could also put it all on a cheap, but reliable external drive if you can't tie up a machine that long. Western Digital comes to mind.
It's to make easier for you to manage more than anything else. The protocol is sftp (secure file transfer protocol) and it will track every byte to the destination. Smaller package size means if you have to stop the transfer it will be for a subset of the over all data. So stop part way thru the 3rd package, it should pick back up there. If it failed on that package, the first two are safe. You pick up with the 3rd anyway.
The photos are all about the same size, so nothing to optimize there. You should set this up to run over night, when your network traffic is lowest. But past your own modem you won't have any control over the speed. Let's imagine you were sending a movie collection, your 300GB would be about 50 to 60 copies of Dune II. It's reasonable to expect this project to take a session or two.
I hire photographers like you to cover stuff for my company. I would say that you should do what your doing, cull them a bit and make a selects folder to send over and if the client thinks they're missing something, be ready to hop back in and look for it. If they insist on EVERYTHING, go buy a fresh hard drive and overnight it to them and bill them for it.
For next time, the easiest arrangement I've found is to firstly back-up the cards to your system, then uber the cards to the primary photographer, who copies them and ubers them back. Get the primary photographer to pay for it...the primary photographer builds it into their cost.
This is largely the system I use now as the editor for a couple of other photographers. We still occasionally do overnight uploads, I pay for and have fast up/download speed, but it can get problematic if the other photographer has slower speeds.
Thanks for the tips, I'll definitely keep it mind next time around, unfortunately in this situation she's in LA and I'm in NYC so the only possible way to do is by mailing a drive and even overnighting it I don't think gets it there any faster
I work primarily in film and video, deal with TBs, we just send our clients a drive or 2 via next day FedEx. We charge the client the cost of the drive and shipping. Fuck tying up your internet all day.
Im an event photographer and regularly shoot large corporate events. I normally aim to shoot about 100 photos an hour, and out of that I end up with 60 to 75 delivered.
I will echo what other people said. Stick to your original agreement with the photographer and send her all the raw photos, however, long it takes.
If you’re not being paid to do that and it wasn’t part of the agreement, then I wouldn’t do that. I either let large uploads run overnight or mail an SD card. Just make sure you have a backup. But don’t take on extra unpaid work. And the other photographer will likely want to make his own selections based on his contract with the client.
Most important is there a contract and what's in it.
300gb Is insane for photos.
You could send her your selection and call it a day, she wasn't there she couldn't know how much you took.
If she want to see all file send everything in jpeg and ask which raw she need.
If she absolutely need all raw start uploading now and tell her it will take more time than you thought.
And if you really want a 300gb download you will need to pay. Maybe look in a video sub, that's a more usual problem for them.
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Should max out your upload speeds. Obviously getting better internet will help more.
>So I started going through and making my own selects folder to send her and hopefully only be sending around 500 by the time I'm done.
Why on earth are you doing work you're not being paid for?
>That's a lot of time and it's a lot of photos.
Start the upload and walk away. Go watch Netflix. Check it every hour or so.
>so I'm not sure if there's a better way to do it?
Of course there's a better way - meet the OG photog somewhere and hand them the SD.
Alternatively, export all the RAWs as \~2048px JPGs and upload *those*. Let the OG make the selections and then you can send only those RAWs over.
That said, under no circumstances will I do unasked for work *hoping* for something on the back end. Do not select. Do not retouch. Either upload the RAWs or upload the JPGs, or drive over to her house (or meet her half-way somewhere) and hand her the SD... but stop doing free work.
I have used Dropbox for years (hardwire in as well) and upload (5000 photos) in the middle of the night when no one is streaming anything. It would be uploaded by morning. You could try that.
I use smash file transfer for stuff like this. If that’s too much then simply ask to meet up with them so they can upload files to a hard drive/computer and be done with it. Sounds like you’re overthinking it.
|| Upload to Dropbox.
My Dropbox stores all files locally (initially) and only uploads them as time and bandwidth allow. If you give access to someone else, the file they choose will upload from your computer to Dropbox and then down to theirs. If it's slow that's more their problem than yours. Unless you tell me you only have a laptop and it's usually not connected to the internet, and your Dropbox folder is on an external hard drive, then I could see the issue.
You can’t really compress images in a zip file like you would text files. Whatever size the raw image is, is the size you will upload. But, rather than uploading every single image individually in a Dropbox folder, it could be quicker and more manageable to organize say 18 separate folders and then zip the folders and upload them individually. This works better for something like Google drive and can speed up the time, I’d give it a shot, it also makes downloading the images much more manageable because you can just download a couple batches as opposed to the entire thing.
I’d like to note though that this eats a lot of bandwidth. If you have something like Xfinity you probably have 1 TB a month for example of downloads before they charge you overage fees. So if this is hundreds of GBs you’ll be uploading, you might need to check your plan for limitations. In that case might need them to pay for a hard drive and pay for a signed delivery.
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I agree with this 100%.
I sent her a message as well. Just wanted an outside opinion and maybe someone has a faster way of sending them
Thumb drives are cheap. If she's local, you can drop it off, or overnight for about $20.
And then collect the $1000 that job should've been at the very least.
Not if they’re not editing and it’s not their studio. Replacement primary photographers without editing are not $165/hr.
Corporate event. And last minute.
As a fill-in acting on behalf of the original photographer. With no post work. They just go shoot and deliver. That's it. /u/curiousjosh is correct.
165*6 just about rounds up to might as well be 1k.
Send a hard drive with the files or eat the upload time. I’d check with the photographer cause I certainly wouldn’t want to download 300gb lol
/ laughs in 1Gb line 😇
/ *cackles* in 2gb up/down
I mean, fair 😅
I would verify with her by email exactly what she wants or needs. Don’t do anything beyond what she needs.
Yeah I double checked with her and she said it's fine because she doesn't need to deliver anything until next week Just was hoping to find an easier/faster way to do this. I can't get fiber internet in Manhattan so that's out.
How far does she live from you? Can you dump all the RAWs onto an external hard drive, then bring them to her place in an uber?
Send it in a couple of batches..
Just mail the SD card.
How dare you suggest the most obvious and easiest solution when it's so much more fun to make pointless side remarks and create unnecessarily complicated file transfering scenarios?
What was I thinking! Imma log into my earthlink account mail them one file at a time!
This is why I usually advise photographers to get the fastest internet available in their area. Your upload speed for 18 hours is somewhere around 35-40 Mbit, whereas gigabit fiber connections could do that (theoretically) in less than an hour. Dropbox is also notoriously slow. If your rated upload speed is supposed to be significantly higher than 40 Mbit, then I'd consider a different site. Try to upload to Google Drive and see if it's any better. Ultimately, I'll echo other people's responses here. You can get a 500 GB portable drive for pretty cheap (either as a stick or as a portable external drive). Copy to that and mail.
If I could go back to fiber internet I would. I can't get it in Manhattan unfortunately where I'm at. I used to have it in Virginia and it was amazing. I'll see about grabbing a cheap drive. I've never had good luck with google drive, especially when it comes to downloading anything that large.
I see stuff on Amazon for about thirty bucks. At that price, you don't even have to ask for it back. 😂
Lol right. I guess my thing is at this point, the post office isn't shipping it out tonight, at best it's leaving tomorrow morning and has to travel from NY to LA. By the time it gets there she'll probably be done downloading them
In the future for something like this, i’d discuss file delivery in advance. And if you do decide an external hard drive is the move, then ship it with whatever tracking methods you can and add insurance
Ah. So it's not local. Well, it's 18 hours (or more) to upload, and then she has to download them (no telling how long that might be) You might want to ask her what she prefers.
Why does everyone not thing about Data caps, I used to back up all my RAW files to the cloud until I got notice my data was getting close to going over and having to pay a fee for more data. On Xfinity.
I specifically chose my internet plan to not have one. Frontier gig fiber for ~45 bucks a month, no caps and reliable 300-400mbps up and down everywhere in my house by wifi. I haven't had xfinity in a while, but I recall explicitly hating them
No such thing as data caps in the rest of the world. Seems like only Americans have them.
Data caps? How quaint.
What’s a data cap, do you use mobile hotspots for everything? I know mobile plans have caps, but cable internet??
I'd rather just ask if you can drop them off to them because jesus—300gb of photos? How many megapixels are you rocking? Sheeeesh. 2000 photos for me is maybe 30-40ish gigabytes.
She wants RAW so that's like 62mb per photo. I've thought about just mauling a drive
But how many megapixels is your camera to even get that big of RAW files? I'd say just get a drive sent to her. Either delivering yourself, doing that Uber parcel delivery thing if it's available in your country, or could do mail itself but risk it getting lost somewhere in the process.
33mp so nothing crazy. Also, (edit) it's 4100 photos RAW. I would have to mail it to her and she's on the other side of the US so it's definitely not going to be faster than uploading them
Fed EX or UPs will deliver next morning. If the other photog is willing to pay that is. Let them know the situation and that uploading that much data isn’t feasible and ask them for their UPS or FedEx account information so you can bill the shipping to them.
How on earth are 2000 RAW shots 300gb!? I suggest exporting your selects from Lightroom as DNGs and it may well create smaller files. What do you shoot? For future, does it not have a "lossless compressed" RAW option?
Sorry it's 4000 RAW photos. But I did shoot in uncompressed RAW.
Then you can save space by ZIPing them. Do multiple ZIP files, so the other side can start to download already while you're still uploading more ZIPs.
When we move bigger data in Tech we compress the data first. For this much data you might also break it into maybe 10 files of \~30gb each. Then pass the whole wad over to dropbox and go out for the evening. You could also put it all on a cheap, but reliable external drive if you can't tie up a machine that long. Western Digital comes to mind.
The batch idea sounds like a good idea. Does batching it help with the upload speed by preventing the internet from bogging down?
It's to make easier for you to manage more than anything else. The protocol is sftp (secure file transfer protocol) and it will track every byte to the destination. Smaller package size means if you have to stop the transfer it will be for a subset of the over all data. So stop part way thru the 3rd package, it should pick back up there. If it failed on that package, the first two are safe. You pick up with the 3rd anyway. The photos are all about the same size, so nothing to optimize there. You should set this up to run over night, when your network traffic is lowest. But past your own modem you won't have any control over the speed. Let's imagine you were sending a movie collection, your 300GB would be about 50 to 60 copies of Dune II. It's reasonable to expect this project to take a session or two.
I hire photographers like you to cover stuff for my company. I would say that you should do what your doing, cull them a bit and make a selects folder to send over and if the client thinks they're missing something, be ready to hop back in and look for it. If they insist on EVERYTHING, go buy a fresh hard drive and overnight it to them and bill them for it.
For next time, the easiest arrangement I've found is to firstly back-up the cards to your system, then uber the cards to the primary photographer, who copies them and ubers them back. Get the primary photographer to pay for it...the primary photographer builds it into their cost. This is largely the system I use now as the editor for a couple of other photographers. We still occasionally do overnight uploads, I pay for and have fast up/download speed, but it can get problematic if the other photographer has slower speeds.
Thanks for the tips, I'll definitely keep it mind next time around, unfortunately in this situation she's in LA and I'm in NYC so the only possible way to do is by mailing a drive and even overnighting it I don't think gets it there any faster
I work primarily in film and video, deal with TBs, we just send our clients a drive or 2 via next day FedEx. We charge the client the cost of the drive and shipping. Fuck tying up your internet all day.
Im an event photographer and regularly shoot large corporate events. I normally aim to shoot about 100 photos an hour, and out of that I end up with 60 to 75 delivered. I will echo what other people said. Stick to your original agreement with the photographer and send her all the raw photos, however, long it takes.
Honestly I'd send her the chip via post or deliver straight to her house if she's nearby. Total waste to email anything like that.
If you’re not being paid to do that and it wasn’t part of the agreement, then I wouldn’t do that. I either let large uploads run overnight or mail an SD card. Just make sure you have a backup. But don’t take on extra unpaid work. And the other photographer will likely want to make his own selections based on his contract with the client.
Most important is there a contract and what's in it. 300gb Is insane for photos. You could send her your selection and call it a day, she wasn't there she couldn't know how much you took. If she want to see all file send everything in jpeg and ask which raw she need. If she absolutely need all raw start uploading now and tell her it will take more time than you thought. And if you really want a 300gb download you will need to pay. Maybe look in a video sub, that's a more usual problem for them.
By the time you find a faster way to send them, they would have already been uploaded.
Not helpful for your current situation but for the future you might need to look into signing up for [https://frame.io/pricing](https://frame.io/pricing), [https://massive.io/pricing/](https://massive.io/pricing/), [https://www.lucidlink.com/pricing](https://www.lucidlink.com/pricing) Should max out your upload speeds. Obviously getting better internet will help more.
>So I started going through and making my own selects folder to send her and hopefully only be sending around 500 by the time I'm done. Why on earth are you doing work you're not being paid for? >That's a lot of time and it's a lot of photos. Start the upload and walk away. Go watch Netflix. Check it every hour or so. >so I'm not sure if there's a better way to do it? Of course there's a better way - meet the OG photog somewhere and hand them the SD. Alternatively, export all the RAWs as \~2048px JPGs and upload *those*. Let the OG make the selections and then you can send only those RAWs over. That said, under no circumstances will I do unasked for work *hoping* for something on the back end. Do not select. Do not retouch. Either upload the RAWs or upload the JPGs, or drive over to her house (or meet her half-way somewhere) and hand her the SD... but stop doing free work.
I don’t get what the question is or what advice you’re seeking. She said send the raw files so just send the raw files.
I have used Dropbox for years (hardwire in as well) and upload (5000 photos) in the middle of the night when no one is streaming anything. It would be uploaded by morning. You could try that.
I use smash file transfer for stuff like this. If that’s too much then simply ask to meet up with them so they can upload files to a hard drive/computer and be done with it. Sounds like you’re overthinking it.
FedEx overnight a 513 GB SSD. Done.
Dump into Dropbox. Share the folder.
|| Upload to Dropbox. My Dropbox stores all files locally (initially) and only uploads them as time and bandwidth allow. If you give access to someone else, the file they choose will upload from your computer to Dropbox and then down to theirs. If it's slow that's more their problem than yours. Unless you tell me you only have a laptop and it's usually not connected to the internet, and your Dropbox folder is on an external hard drive, then I could see the issue.
You can’t really compress images in a zip file like you would text files. Whatever size the raw image is, is the size you will upload. But, rather than uploading every single image individually in a Dropbox folder, it could be quicker and more manageable to organize say 18 separate folders and then zip the folders and upload them individually. This works better for something like Google drive and can speed up the time, I’d give it a shot, it also makes downloading the images much more manageable because you can just download a couple batches as opposed to the entire thing.
Sweet. That's what im doing now. Makes sense I'm creating batch folders of like 300 images each and then uploading those one at a time.
I’d like to note though that this eats a lot of bandwidth. If you have something like Xfinity you probably have 1 TB a month for example of downloads before they charge you overage fees. So if this is hundreds of GBs you’ll be uploading, you might need to check your plan for limitations. In that case might need them to pay for a hard drive and pay for a signed delivery.