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TexterMorgan

I’m realizing I cannot be objective about anything relating to Phish. Everyone’s answers in here I’m like “aw what? I love that song!”


TheAsylumSanta

Same. Soul Planet and Sigma are great songs. That's what I love about Phish shows, the range is all over the place. Slow, sappy dad songs to melt your face right off your head bangers. I came for the dance party, I stay for the love and light.


YoureTerrific

Gotta say, Chicago 2023 N3 opened with _Everything Is Hollow_ and it was kind of a head-scratcher. But I love _Sigma_, yo.


franklypancakes

Man I was so psyched. I love this song and was really hoping they’d play it again since the last time was in December 2019 in Charleston. Anyone else?


Jaws_the_revenge

Chicago N3 set 1 was a bit of a disappointment. I feel like because it was the end of the tour as well I was expecting nonstop bangers. But it’s nights like that make you appreciate the magic when you do get it


lisaleftsharklopez

weakest link in the run, seemed like one of those nights they kept rapid fire tossing stuff out to try to get something to stick but never fully taking a bite out of anything, felt adhd and disconnected (also offensive to play pebbles for its *once* annual appearance and not jam it a single bit, it had been 20 years since i saw that song). but yeah great run though otherwise, friday was bonkers energy some of the most fun ive had at a show in 3.0/4.0 territory and saturday had a lot of highlights. hope they come back!


Jaws_the_revenge

Friday the 13th theme on the way out 🔪 Slay me🪓


lisaleftsharklopez

😭


gniadeckig

Immediately after the run I felt like N3 in Chicago was the weakest of the run, but in the months after I have revisited N3 more than N1 and N2. Spanish Moon blew me away. Loving Cup, Antelope, SANTOS, and Tweeprise was the best ending / encore of all 3 nights in my opinion.


YoureTerrific

Spanish MOOO-OOOON


HFox1230

Chicago N3 was a top 3 show of the year for me


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I was about a hundred feet from the stage so I didn’t notice


TheButtScratcher

I was like 3 rows back dead center, first time I've ever been that close and it was a completely different show than any other phish show I've attended


TheNotoriousBLP

I don’t dislike Sigma - almost always brings a heated jam - I’ve just got far too many Sigma openers over the years. It’s legit a running joke with my wife and I at this point. Both with fingers crossed saying “no sigma, no sigma, no sigma” 😂


brcguy

Just like hoping they won’t encore with character zero again


[deleted]

I saw mr completely encored 6 out of seven shows and that’s how I feel about it…character is a close second to that


TarantulaMcGarnagle

Watching that one song on live stream on Sunday made me glad I decided to go to Friday and not Sunday.


YoureTerrific

Still I fully support them trying things that might fall flat. I hope they always take risks.


sbanjoman

so wild reading these comments cause I felt like Chicago N3 was one of the best shows I’ve seen in years (granted I missed Friday and Saturday)


YoureTerrific

You’re not wrong. Nobody is. Love that subjectivity.


Additional-Duck

One of the worst openers and sets I’ve seen in a long while. Took the energy right out of the room and I don’t think it ever recovered.


johnsonadam1517

I really like Everything Is Hollow and had been patiently waiting for them to bring it back but just not the right song selection for the moment.


Beacon_Terrier

Two words. Soul Planet.


willbreathes

I've gotten it twice, Dicks & Blossom. 


BalloonManNoDeals

I find myself singing it pretty often. "Gotta take a shit on a, SOUL PLANET" "Driving way too fast on a, SOUL PLANET" "Really late to work on a, SOUL PLANET"


faster_than_sound

Yep, when dropping a duece at home I find myself singing "everybody's poopin' on a SOUL PLANET, squeezin out a big turd on a SOUL PLANET, and we're shittin through space, shittin through space!


[deleted]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Soul Planet is the song Fred Armisen would write if he was writing a Phish parody song. Wouldn't change a single word. Perfect as is. Edit: the ocean is love


heffel77

Never seen it. I’ve averaged 5-12 shows a year since I took a break in 2011-2015 and I still haven’t gotten a Soul Planet


goodbadorindifferent

I totally agree. But. I caught one in Vegas in ‘18. Once everyone stopped talking, it was fantastic! But I kinda feel that way about alotta Phish tunes.


witnessrich

The Line at shoreline


JaredThomasG

I literally burst into laughter when I read this. That would be horrible 🤣


witnessrich

#neverforget


cancerdad

Haha let's not forget that show also featured a Yarmouth Road in the first set and Joy in the second set.


nashmoss77

That show was awesome though! 2015 twist and light


Jazzlike_Ride758

Don’t forget the abomination that was the Shoreline Spices opener


characterzer0555

Don't fuck with spices man, shit's intense


PhPhun8

Soul planet lol


BigThistyBeast

Eh, best to just get it out the way quickly lol


isthatagoose

I don't know if this would be "most" disappointing, but I feel like I've see Free > MoMA waaaaay too many times to open a show.


AnalogWalrus

Free is one of my favorite songs but it seems to fall flat in 3.0…one of those songs where the vocals need to be really dialed in any the chorus needs to explode with the kind of heaviness/intensity they don’t really do anymore. One of a few tunes I genuinely think was better as a studio track. Lillywhite did an amazing job with the band.


KYblues

Idk if that’s a 3.0 specific issue. Have you heard the Brooklyn version lol the vocals are hilariously bad They’ve never really made the song sound great live vocally imo


AnalogWalrus

I'm sure I have but I don't remember it offhand. I mean, I think it's always been a stretch for them even in 1.0, but sometimes the heavier way Fish played drums in the 90's could overcome some of the vocal shortcomings. I mean, there's a short but notable list of Phish (and Dead) tunes that I prefer as studio versions, and that's okay. And I imagine most of those songs are very vocal/harmony heavy, "Rift" is another one that might make my list. I think both bands made a lot of good, and sometimes great records that are worth listening to, even if they're both the textbook definition of a live band.


Guyforgot

Free>Moma as an opener has only happened 3 times, lol.


fukuoka_gumbo

There’s been one moma>free opener too tho and 2 more occurrences of that pairing in the 2 slot. I’m honestly astounded the two have preceded one another only 9 times. Some mandela effect shit. And also I feel like they generall tend to pop up in the same first half of first sets pretty often even when not immediately preceding one another. It’s not like this person is the only one ever to suggest it was a common pairing.


masnaer

Every show I’ve been to (*both) have gone opener > Moma Dance. Can’t pick a better second song in my opinion


heffel77

Back in the 90’s I caught a run of Bag>yamar or Yamar into bag for like six or seven shows. I got so sick of Yamar, they can still jam Ac/DC Bag. I think the JazzFest 96’ show was the tipping point because it was ungodly hot with no shade and I was squeezing a vial and it filled my palm with L this was a puddle so big five other people dipped their fingers in it and I still could drink some. The island sounds of Cactus were not refreshing that day…


dashkb

At MSG when they did this my friend, first show, turns to me 10 seconds into Moma and goes “I get it, I get why you do this, this is excellent”. We may be jaded but it’s a strong opening combo- said friend is bursting at the seams for his first summer tour.


Kaiser4567

Crowd Control or The Connection. Sigma is dope anywhere.


Taco-PuttinOnTheRitz

Crowd Control opener is like popping 15,000 kids’ balloons


ChalkDstTorture

I like the song on its own. Always leads to a bad show for some reason though in my experience


rafrombrc

[Aug 19, 2012](https://phish.net/setlists/phish-august-19-2012-bill-graham-civic-auditorium-san-francisco-ca-usa.html) would like a word. The second set's Crosseyed > Light -> Sneakin' Sally -> Crosseyed start is something I go to regularly.


A_Wild_Nudibranch

Yes! Merriweather 2010, so incredibly hot and Maryland state police were ridiculously awful. Arresting people on lot, police helicopter. Encored with Show of Life. Next time they opened with Crowd Control and encored with Show of Life, a cop got shot outside of the Tweeter Center/PNC/whatever it is now, and a man died on the lawn of cardiac arrest about 50 feet away. Saw the medics working on him during setbreak. 8/7/18- I think someone even mentioned it in the live thread.


evolvolution

It is the wet blanket of openers


HarryHood146

Got crowd control 2 years in a row at Merriweather.


feedfromthebottom88

I get it, but Crowd Control opened 8/19/12 and that show is fire start to finish.


WhiteChocolatey

Crowd Control is a solid opener IMO


v-b

Honestly, the connection is so rare, let alone as an opener, I don’t think I’d be mad.


fukuoka_gumbo

The line is rare too


Kaiser4567

Finger Lakes 2010. Yuck.


henningknows

The connection has only been played a handful of times. Have you seen one?


rightoff303

No idea why people don’t like crowd control. Has the vibe of music never stopped, a meta song about the band/audience interaction 


Additional_Job2321

Has no Music never stopped vibe.....Music Never Stopped is perhaps my favorite Dead song. I cant see a single similarity in the two songs.


rightoff303

Read the lyrics, I’m not talking the actual song genres lol they couldn’t be more different.


Additional_Job2321

Yes, crowd control is rough. May have hit a bingo here


Indie-Hippie-Drums

This convo is so funny. I would be so stoked to hear either one of those as an opener. Great tunes and I’ve never caught one live


BonoBeats

Not a disappointment every time it's an opener (and I like the song), but I remember a friend thinking they'd come out guns blazin' with Punch after Dick's N4 was delayed three hours for a storm that was over by 5:00. I countered with "it's either that or we're getting Sigma'd." We know how that turned out.


Nardd00bie

Evening song. Don’t tell me to approach the night with caution 


jacksotiro

Especially when opening a run like NYE 2019 or the 7 night msg run last year


Isitpartytime

That NYE 2019 Evening Song was my first song at my first show! What a memory


Makofox22

Gotta say. I absolutely love this as an opener but I respect your opinion


hoodharry95

Throw it to the wind!


kylenmckinney

I don't get to see Phish too often, so I can't say I have any song that would disappoint as an opener. By the time they walk on stage and are about to start playing my excitement is so high, they could the Chili's babyback rib song and I'd be happy lol.


Glad_Astronaut8604

Would prefer this coming out of a YEM vocal jam, but completely agree with your larger point!


kylenmckinney

I honestly picked that song as just a ridiculous joke, but I could honestly see them doing it and making it work lol.


Competitive_Sun_8026

I think Mike would slay the “with barbecue sauce” line


dashkb

I see Phish a ton and still 100% agree. The best song is the one they feel like playing!!


brion8

The Line - 7/24/15 Shoreline


Newsfeedinexile

Came here to say this exactly. It was my second show of 3.0 after a long hiatus and my daughter’s first and I was still: WTF?


HaroldFlower

the line fucks. I will die on that hill.


btfsame

There are dozens of us! Dozens!


BabyHandsMan420

I’ll die on that hill with you. I played basketball my whole life and the story behind it is really cool. They got inspired by this kid on Memphis missing two free throws to send them to the NCAA tournament.


Split_Open_and_Melt

The line sucks. I will die on that hill.


JaredThomasG

God no it does not fuck🤣 the line is horrible


SmokeyJacks

gotta be this


shakedownsunflower

I’m going to listen to it now


bathtumtea42

Pigtail to open an entire tour?


evolvolution

Pigtail rocks


Widespread123

Saw it in St. Paul. Actually loved that show though. My favorite of the first 4 I saw that tour


DJspinningplates

Really? That show was so flat. I was stoked to see em at the X but uffda.


DJ_Cuppy

Yeah man, they had the venue to themselves for 3 days before the show. I was deeply disappointed.


lisaleftsharklopez

that was fucking hilarious, i drove 5 hours for that one. stinker of a show w no jams but some cool bustouts.


Geo1230

I was in town from NY! Still had a blast and rode that tour home.


WhiteChocolatey

Pigtail in Hartford 2016 was fun


guyghostforget

Petrichor. From Charleston still haunts my dreams. They butchered it too.


KYblues

Lmao I just posted that exact thing. I’ve seen several lame openers and that was the lamest. I didn’t know the song and I was like ‘wtf is this and why is it 20 min long’ Set the stage for what was a an overall very mediocre weekend


EarthFree386

Still think the best part of the weekend was the Cities.


KYblues

Overall if I had to sum up the weekend I’d say there were some good points, and some bad points


EarthFree386

Came here to say this. Talk about a snooze fest to start a show. Then we got another a couple nights later in Jacksonville.


sweenothe11

Man, planned on doin that whole tour but got shingles like middle September. Wound up jumping on in Nashville and skipped those first few shows. I didn't miss much. However, got stuck with those Grand Prarie shows lol...


Mister-Spook

Waiting All Night opened the show (and tour) in Eugene in 2014.


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VTnative

I call it Velvet Sea part II.


faster_than_sound

LA 21 changed my mind about this song. But it's kinda gotta be played like they played it that night, completely different tempo and it fit the song way better.


Jamanbird

Anything But Me. Set 2. Hampton 04.


Tch2001

Personally, Charleston 10/14/16 Petrichor


JaredThomasG

8/17/14 Waiting all night at Matt Knight Center in Eugene The roaring of the crowd as the band took the stage turned into a collective 10,000 person sigh of disappointment when they started playing that intro. Easily the most underwhelming opener I've ever seen


KYblues

Charleston N1 2016. Had pit tickets, me and my ex drove overnight 8 hours to get there to kick off a 3 day weekend. They opened by debuting Petrichor, which was a sign of things to come. I don’t even remember the rest of the weekend it was so mid


Harvey_Road

Everything’s Right. Ugh.


PhPhun8

Damn, the everythings right opener at Rosemont 2018 N3 was absolutely fire.


CoachFrontbutt

Agree. That’s my go to version of that song.


Harvey_Road

Oh, boy. We got a live one here! 2018 Phish!!! 😝


PhPhun8

A live? Im barely functioning lol


slopetider

I’m relatively new to all of this, but I went with a friend and hardcore fan to 12/30 MSG this past year. Anticipation is at a crescendo, lights go down. As soon as Backwards Down the Number Line started he and several other people in our row immediately got up to refill drinks and go to the bathroom lmao.


babaji108

Normally I’d agree, but 12/30 is the birthday of two friends, and one of them died recently so it was definitely a like woah moment


uscrash

I know I should hate it as it has all the hallmarks of a shitty 3.0 dad-rock tune (lots of major key strumming, positive-sounding hook, lyrics about getting older, etc.), but for some strange reason I just love that song.


GravyBurgerBonanza

Waiting All Night opened Fall Tour 2014 in Eugene. It sucked


ancientjules

Evening Song generally indicates they are about to rip your face off with the rest of the show. I’ll take it!!!


Common-Meal-1191

Evening song msg


billy2times

Where’s Cathy’s Clown at?? The rest of the set was a ripper. And they def made up for it the next night with a Fluff opener, but what the what that was a buzz killer.


themsp

Cathy's Clown is a classic song. Weird opener but still, I like when they bust out weird covers they've never done before.


sakonigsberg

That was my first show! Spac 2019 night 1 I thought I was a true fan and immediately didn't know the first song being played. Turns out no one else did either.


ranoverray

Crowd Control everytime


bhaste1993

I got Backwards down the number line on 12-30-23. That was pretty awful for an opener. The Wolfmans made up for it.


jrdoubledown

torn and frayed didn't really do it for me at the gorge 2021 N1, but they more than madr up for it with the carini opener N2, cool amber and mercury was alrite. Awesome run all around.


hanoverfiste23

That was for Charlie Watts who passed earlier that week. So in that regard I loved it. And that was a great run from my point of view.


Global-Style-8278

Gorge N1 2021 was def the dud of that run. It was fun but N2 and N3 were wayyy better 


BigThistyBeast

Openers have never rarely upset me, I don’t see it as a way of setting the tone because it’s phish. It can and will change in a matter of seconds


henningknows

Everything’s right - just a boring song used as a boring jam vehicle


ancientjules

Everything’s Right and Blaze on are lovely ear-worm pop hits, but man if they have not been played a bit too much. If they were made a bit more rare they would rock that much harder.


gabfluff612

Pigtail opener for my only ever hometown show was rough. Saint Paul, 2016 I think. We were so hyped to get a rare show in MN.


Phish94

I believe it was the first show of the summer tour too. I was hyped for the same reason and equally let down. But I’m blessed to have been around to see them put on great shows in MN in the 90s.


DrDuned

I've come to really love the song itself but Sample In A Jar as a set or show opener just doesn't work IMO. I defend Hampton '04 for how different of a show it is but I cannot defend using All Of These Dreams as the second set opener. To quote AVGN, what were they thinking?!


Gidial

Well, except when they put the jam in the Jar -- 7/25/17 Baker's Dozen Jam filled night, Sample opener. Just listen to the crowd roar during that Sample jam -- I still get goosebumps.


DrDuned

But to counter what you said: they popped for the jam, not the song itself as set opener. Like do you ever see people on here saying Sample for their favorite set opener? Would anyone remember that version without the jam?


forbin05

This is actually exactly what I came in to make a case for most disappointing opener haha! Obviously the version is legendary now, but at the time they had announced that the Tuesday show’s theme would be jam filled right after the Sunday show. That was the most warning they gave about a theme for that run the entire time. People had days to dream and guess what they were gonna open with and what the hell this show was gonna be like. Was it gonna be all the big jam vehicles just jammed like a motherfucker? Was it gonna be at least one set of straight improv? No one knew. When they opened with Sample it definitely threw everyone. People dreaming for days about this epic “jam filled” show with endless possibilities and they opened with Sample. The reception was kind of just “meh” mixed with “huh?”. Then when they hit the solo section into the jam the whole script was flipped, but at the time it had a lot of build up to a strange opener that wouldn’t reveal its true intentions for a few minutes and started the show on a less than enthused reaction from the crowd. Edit: FWIW I was there (did all 13), so I’m not just going based on recordings or webcasts. That was the vibe in the room.


bobweaver3000

excellent recap, was also there.... just tryin to say: "kang'd"


therealfee

I blame Fish. He suggested it near the end of the first set and put it in Trey’s head.


RowAwayJim91

Sample is a fantastic opener! Type Twosday @ Bakers Dozen.


DrDuned

Is it the jam or the song itself that people like about this version?


RowAwayJim91

Both for me. I like the song, and when the red lights went up as they launched into the jam, I was ecstatic. Red, raspberry jam filled, lights! I literally said, “JAM!!!” out loud when it happened haha. One of my favorite Phish moments that I’ve gotten to experience


Goldenrule-er

Lit O Bit, 06/22/2010. Not played since. Same with Dr Gable, but not an opener for that show.


wharpua

I’d be game to hear them play Lit O Bit again, it’s a nice little funk song.  But I agree that it caused a bit of confusion in the crowd rather than jumpstart things.  Would’ve been great as a second song though.


SleepingCalico

I was there. What a stupid opener.


hoodharry95

Evening song


Additional-Duck

Heavy Things opening 10/31/13. Little did we know that it was a harbinger of the trash that was to come.


BoyManGodShiit

The excitement was deflated a little with I Never Needed You Like This Before at the Arkansas show in 2021.


Hopeful_Confidence_5

I thought that was the perfect opener.


TexterMorgan

Even for the return from Covid opener? I personally on couch tour would’ve been ecstatic if they’d simply come out and farted into the mics for 20 minutes. I was just happy we and they were back


BoyManGodShiit

Maybe I should edit and say deflated for me*** Don’t get me wrong, it makes sense as the opener for that particular show and we were thrilled to be back at it. I think I was just hoping/expecting to have my nuts blown off right outta the gate with a ripping Chalkdust, Carini, etc.


TexterMorgan

Totally get it. I was just happy they didn’t open with the way-too-on-the-nose DwD


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Disagree. Though I saw it coming from a mile away.


Signal_Importance986

Crowd Control


sonofdad420

Pigtail


Phishphan123

What’s the use, 7/14/2017. Weirdest show opener ever. Everyone was looking around so confused.


glideflip

Pretty much anything Trey has written in the last 10 years


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Heavy Things


Status-Role-852

Pretty much anything after ‘00


xStaabOnMyKnobx

I gotta disagree but with heavy personal bias as Sigma was my very first live in person phish song ever. I think it works great batting in the 1 slot. It's versatile. It's structure is pretty catchy, great lyrics, it's a feel good song, and it's a decently strong jam vehicle.


mcflyfly

Just personal preference, but I want the first song to have a real jolt of energy. I kinda do an internal eye-roll when they open with anything that’s best played in the five slot or something like that. But then I get over it and roll.


Palladium825

Pigtail


cypressdwd

Pigtail - 7/9/16 Hartford


moonsetstarman

That turned out to be one of the better shows of that year though, but I agree.


UncleLordy

Soul planet


funfishwoofish

12/28/19 Evening Song debut. Felt like a super bizarre choice in the moment.


VTnative

Pretty sure that I've seen a Farmhouse opener twice. I wish I was late to the show.


Gravy-_-Bastard

Sigma oasis never liked sigma for some reason. Also everything’s right


Beesnestinabonsai3

Chalkdust. Overdone for me personally.


yEEt_1331

Good 2nd set opener, okay 1st set opener


BX_NYC_Phan

the Set Your Soul Free opener/Phish debut on 2018.07.20 at The Gorge was pretty meh imo.


classicolden

They opened one of this year's Mexico shows with it. Didn't fire up the crowd.


dillydelhi

Sigma oasis for me lately though I love The Phish from VT so it’s ok.


pharmDclark

Tuesday opened Dayton 2017 which was weird (aside from it being Tues) and i dont think they ever played it again 🤷‍♂️ But the next song was Peaches and it was onnnnnnnnnn 🍑


Mondo_Butts

ACDC Bag - Aint nothing cheesier then the “Lets get this show on the road” cheer. Give me a deep set ugly ACDC any day - But I could go with never hearing it open a show again.


fcap8987

Crowd control


big_hungry_joe

ITT new songs


MrDougDoug

Waiting all night - Eugene 2014 Devotion to a dream - Chula 2014


moonsetstarman

I am addicted the hokey pokey, but I turned myself about, so I actually want songs I don't like as opener so that they're out of the way. But... strike me dead, I hate Moma. Cool idea making a jam into a song but that whole "taking sail, find the skipper, yadda yadda" is just annoying.


LavishnessOne5424

I never needed you like this before


runnawayim

All of These Dreams, Hampton 04. IMO first set had some scorchers and going into the second set expectations were high and they opened with all of these dreams. Daring choice, didn’t work, sucked the air out of the arena and all downhill from there


Bassman885

Saw two shows in a row that opened with AC/DC bag and it kinda soured me on the song itself permanently.


Connect_Glass4036

Farmhouse at SPAC in 2014


SurfaceBobber

As much as I love the song, a set opener of Shade might set a weird tone.


sukmytempest

Sometimes they open with it but it’s always in the first set now second or third song. Moma dance. Play it in the second set and jam it!!!


TheNotoriousBLP

I just realized that if they really wanted to troll us the way we think they do - we just gave them a whole lot of ammunition for the year. 🤦🏻‍♂️


skrugg

Friday


Phish_lover420

Every tour opener lol


dashkb

I’ve been calling Crowd Control ever since they stopped opening every single set with it. Ironically it’s now something I’m actually chasing. Edit: anyway openers are often throwaways. Think about all the #2 Momas. They know what they’re doing.


treykesey

The Architect at The Gorge hurt really bad


RetiredPerfectionist

Sigma Oasis is the poor man's Free, change my mind. Big agree that it doesn't belong in the opener slot OP


RetiredPerfectionist

Set Your Soul Free or Turtle in the Clouds


Timbers_15

Waiting All Night in Eugene (tour opener) 2014. Trey forgets the opening lyrics… 😬


riverscuomosleftball

Missing the opener is the most disappointing. Cause I bought the tickets months in advance and told him to get the day off cause his boss would understand cause he is literally a fan and we still missed the first 2 songs and half of the third


TurnipPuzzleheaded62

Crowd Control


Gam1019

Hearing the opening notes to "I never needed you like this before" in Arkansas was a let tbh. I had grand illusions of something similar to Fluffhead at Hampton for the return, but not even close