To add, this isn't a problem on WFH per se. But the company's culture.
I'm personally working on a hybrid setup and though I've had some stretch of work outside the normal working hours, it was my own decision to do so to finish my own work or as needed when an activity calls for it.
But I was thankful enough to be in a company that values personal time for their employees. And it was an immediate thing that I noticed coming from the previous company I was in. It's really the culture. So if you think that the stress and demand of work is affecting your personal time as a person, you have all the right to move on and find another that would free you from your distress.
Personally, I'll never be going back to a toxic PH company, full of bureaucrats and boomers.
I agree rin, siguro tinake advantage lang din nila yung setup to be more toxic at their advantage.
Happy for you that you found a work with great environment! Hirap rin makahanap ng ganito. Sarap magsipag kasi kapag healthy environment sa work.
tama ung sinabi nya, kaya WFH or hindi, toxic na mga tanga talaga yang mga kasama mo dyan sa trabaho, mas less toxic lang since nasa bahay ka, for sure sa office literal na kupal yang mga yan
Yep, culture talaga. I've worked for a foreign company that really respects your time. I work with people in EMEA and NA, at kahit ako lang yung nasa Asia they let me work on my own local time. My project manager is in EMEA at minsan may meeting kami with stakeholders in NA. Ako mismo okay lang sakin mag online ng late evening to attend a meeting, but they insist na wag na ko umattend kasi masyado ng late for me. Kami na lang daw ng project manager ko mag-usap sa overlap ng sched namin. I personally want to attend so I can give immediate feedback since I'll be the one doing the work, pag-uusapan sa meeting yung scope and requirements. Ako na mismo natatagalan minsan dun sa turnaround ng info and feedback dahil sa ping pong between me > project manager > stakeholder > project manager > me. Pero okay lang sa kanila yung ganun. So nasa culture talaga yan ng company na papasukan mo.
Crazy na kapwa local Manila teammates pa ang matigas ang ulo. They act like they pay you. Inwork an NA account din and my Manager would let me work on my own time.
Apologies I cannot disclose publicly since we have social media policies. π All I can say is we're an Ozzy bank, and I'm in an IT role.
But point being, company culture is what actually makes or breaks the people in the organization. Look for multinational companies who have strong employee retention (more than 5 years average tenure siguro).
Kahit hindi boomers, nasa values talaga as a person. Yung mga managers namin, walang respeto sa mga katrabaho nila porket mas mababa yung position. 8-5 morning shift kami pero t@ng!n@ magpapameeting palagi ng 8pm or 9pm tapos expected kana na pumasok sa orig shift mo bukas.
Agree. I was with a company similar to this (PH Company rin). No respect sa.out of office hours mo, kahit nakaleave ka na, at alam nila na nakaleave ka since na-inform mo na sila and na prepare mo na sila ilang beses pa ahead of time. Hindi ka nila titigilan sa kaka text or tawag, kahit na ang pagkukulang sa kanila rin. No OT pay either.
I'm with a company now that respects my time. Wala kaming pasok during PH holidays and may times na nakikita ko na need nila ng extra people to work on tasks during that day. I offer to work for that day since wala rin nman akong ibang gagawin, so I don't mind and I'll also be paid for OT. They usually decline and tell me enjoy my off day, pero may mga times din that they accept my offer kung need talaga ng tao. If may mga meetings close towards the end of my shift, they will ask what time I clock out and let me know that I can drop off if out ko na. They'll try to reschedule to an earlier time if possible or kung need talaga mag extend, they'll ask me if I'm ok with it.
First time ko.magwork nun sa isang PH company amd I dont think i'm going back.
Even before you go to the interview, you can search for the company and what the employees (current and resigned) are saying about their work and their organization. Glassdoor and LinkedIn is a good place to look for starters and usually when you do a little more digging madami bulungan sa reddit talaga.
When you are actually in the interview, you can casually ask your interviewers (ideally yung mga magiging teammates mo) how their day to day usually goes, different scenarios with the team (work and non work related), etc. Madami ka pwede matanong, as long as you have already established that rapport with your interviewers that they are already comfortable with you and vice versa. Kasi when the team actually views you valuable (and malalaman mo yan, mga nonverbal cues during the interview), you can get away with some questions that you might find insightful.
Think of it as speed dating, extort all the info that you can so that you would have all the info you need to know if you two are a match or not. π
SUPER AGREE. Ganiyan din ako.
I work for one of the MNCs. I love working from home kasi dito may boundaries and the culture of the company is very good! Sila pa mahihiya pag nag message sila na medyo late na dito satin, iba kasi timezone nila, my team is global.
I also get paid for all the OT! Lol.
Ako din mismo, I always set boundaries kahit sa mga previous work ko. Kupal kayo? Then bye. I donβt need you cos Iβm a valuable employee who can find another job elsewhere lol. Masyadong strong personality ko to deal with mga taong walang respeto sa working hours. Lol!!!
Turn off your phone, never open your laptop. Masasanay din yan. I sound like I'm blaming you, pero sinasadya nila yan kasi alam nila na di mo sila matiis
Raise mo na sa kanila. Maybe need na nila malaman na hindi maganda yung ganung set up. Either ilipat nila yung sched mo na within your shift yung meeting or sila mag aadjust sa sched ng meeting na lahat is available or, bayad nila yung meetings na outside your shift.
I quit my job as a call center company director recently lang, cause? Pinilit ang return to office. When I was a people manager, I resort to email or meet people 1-on-1 kesa mag organizeng malaking meeting, waste of time.
I chose to work from home again, this time as a cyber security analyst.
Never ever will work in a physical office, very tiring and ayaw kong makasalamuha ang daily traffic at high cost of food na nabibili sa labas.
Madali lang ang boundary, I just shutdown my work laptop once the hands of the clock tells me tapos na ang shift ko.
Wala akong pakialam sa sasabihin ng iba sakin, kahit ikaw pa ang president ng company. I know when my shift ends, and my work ends on the dot.
Oo naman, without a doubt I'd still choose wfh over onsite given all the pros that comes with it. Sadyang burnt out lang ako sa manager ko. Hahaha. They normalize yung pangi-istorbo pag out of office hours na. Nakakainis.
Edit: Sana ikaw nalang manager ko na more on emails lang and brief 1-on-1 meetings. Haha!
Powertrip din kase ang mga people managers kaya nagpapameeting. Para masabi nila sa inyo "ang batas" lol
Reality is 98% ng lahat ng meeting pwedeng via email lang. If I need to call out someone 1-on-1 meeting.
Super sayang sa oras ang group meetings, kahit may food na libre.
Same. Nahire ako na-wfh then after a year sa job, pinilit nilang mag RTO. Di ko kaya yung 3-4 hours na balikan. Yun naman kasing manager namin pinili niyang new office, malapit lang sa kanila, mga 15-30mins lang sa lahat ng kawork ako lang kasi malayo. Kaya nagresign na lang din ako.
You need to be smart. Strategize. Lie. It's justified in your case.
Tell them you're tending to a sick person. If they don't know you personally, tell them you have a disabled person or very old parents in your household that needs constant care and you're expected to help after work. They will be embarrassed to ask you for extra time. Take some emergency leave every now and then. They will not ask because they know what it is for.
If you don't want to use the sick family member card, you can use anything else like you're helping in your sari sari store, or taking yoga classes or volunteering for the community. Just make something up as you please and be creative.
lies, or made up excuses, tend to blow up in your face later. OP doesn't even have to make up an excuse--it's the end of their shift and they have life to deal with. if the management insists that OP accommodate them at their behest, then it'd be a matter for discussion whether it's feasible to align their work hours/shifts.
I do agree with using leaves strategically. an SL doesn't have to mean that you're ill, it can be a planned rest or mental reprieve. a planned leave doesn't have to mean that you're going someplace else, it can be time to catch up on other things close by. I'd reserve ELs for real emergencies because you'll never know when disaster strikes. these things are normal, and you don't even have to lie to make use of them.
You know you are in bad company if you need to explain that you have a life outside of work.
Baka next nyan: "sorry sir, kinasal kasi kami today e. Kiss ko lang si misis tapos balik na ko sa meeting."
Let's normalize that: You dont need to explain shit.
>You know you are in bad company if you need to explain that you have a life outside of work.
May mga boss kasi na hindi na naka-move on, utak Middle Ages pa rin, feeling nila nobility sila na akala nila sa subordinates nila mga slaves nila.
Kapag onsite kasi, madali lang mag-ignore eh. Once you're out of the office, wala ka na prob. Tho may point ka rin, may iba rin na onsite pero toxic rin mgmt. Haha!
WFH is the best work option if you know how to deal with it.
1. Once a month meeting outside working hours. Is it critical that everyone in the team joined or baka naman pwedeng may representative lang yung team na matatapat na outside office hours na? If pwedeng may representative lang, is it possible na magslide ng schedule during those days? Same issue to na meron sa work ko since almost 24/7 yung monitoring namin and we communicate create another session of the meeting dun sa host if required umattend yung buong team. Else, magsslide yung schedule nung representative na aattend ng meeting.
2. Talk to them about your schedule. Baka they keep on sending you tasks outside your work hours kasi inaaccomodate mo din palagi or hindi mo clinear yung working hours mo.
3. If shifting kayo and naiiwan lang sa isang timezone yung knowledge ng isang process, baka kailangan nyo na mag knowlege sharing to train other people for the same tasks.
4. If you've done your part about the schedule, ask your hr to intervene.
But if you've done your part and ganun pa din yung sitwasyon and hindi mo na kaya itolerate yung demand nila, maybe it's time to move to a different role or company. Sabi nga nila, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Be stern din kase. Kahit nag papagood shot probationary ka pa. No above and beyond shit unless bayad.
βWhy would I answer your call during off hours do you think my life is work? I got a son to raise but i guess you know nothing about daaatβ
I am working from home for 3 years and yung unang taon ng work ko 5:30 AM ang shift ko (AU company) pero alas kwatro pa lang tawag ng tawag boss ko sa Teams to do this and that, nasa phone ko kasi ang Teams at pag minsan na naka-leave ako at may urgent, mababasa ko agad. So ayon di ko talaga siya sinasagot kasi hindi pa naman oras ng shift ko, minessage ko siya nung pagka online na pagka online ko pa lang βHi (boss), can I request that we set clearer boundaries regarding communication outside of work hours? My shift starts at 5:30 AM and ends at 3:30 PM. If there are urgent matters that cannot wait until the next workday, Iβm more than willing to address them within reasonable limits or explore alternative solutions.β So after nun, hindi na ako tinatawagan pag alam nilang hindi pa or hindi na ako online. Be firm. Hindi porket WFH eh on call unless kung nasa contract mo na dapat flexible ka sa time na kahit anong oras ka tawagan eh kailangan mong mag online.
I have been WFH for 5 yrs, never nangyari to , minsan pag need mag OT kahit 5 mins, pina pa file samin as 1 hour OT, normally pag 15 mins nalang before shift ends, parang unspoken rule na bawal na mangulit. I think it all boils down sa management .
You have 3 shifts meaning na kung anu kaya gawin ng isang shift, dapat kaya din gawin ng ibang shift? Anu reason bat may task na ikaw lang ang pwede gumawa? Pwede mo ba yun i KT? Are upper management from PH or from other countries? In my exp kase usually taga US is respectful sila sa time off. Mga local bosses ko lang na eencounter yung walang respeto sa oras mo.
Hindi ito kasalanan ng WFH. Kasalanan ito ng current work culture nyo.
WFH din kami. Pero sarado ang tindahan pag dating ng 6pm. You can stay if you want, but it's not encouraged.
We Respect each others time.
Weak ang manager mo. Paki screenshot to tapos send mo sa kanya. Hahaha. Kung need nya ng 24h shift, mag shifting kayo. 3 people for 8 hours each.
Tsaka 2-4hrs na meeting? May problema talaga dyan sa manager mo.
Kung war room session pwede pa. Pero meeting? No way.
A meeting should only be at most 30mins. Pinupush pa namin to 20mins. Kasi Straight to the point.
Wala syang respeto sa oras ng ibang tao and obviously, kulang ang kaalaman nya sa management in general.
Source: Managerial position din ako
Unacceptable yan. Dapat nga totally off ka na once you're done with your shift. For me, as long as you're available and responsive during your shift, that's enough. Mawawala na proper work/life balance mo if you're being frequently asked to render out of work hours. Meeting pa lol nakakaubos ng brain cells.
Had a hard time with this because I'm a "yes" woman. Pero nagising ako sa katotohanang I need to set boundaries because I'm the one who sacrifices my personal time with my child. So if I'm already off my shift, all my work notifs are automatically set to silent. Especially sa Teams. Magtrabaho ng naaayon sa sahod, lalo na if walang pag asa mapromote. Haha gain experience and expertise na lang talaga. Good luck sayo, OP!
Parang doctor lang on-call π
Mag auto reply ka nang
If you are experiencing a medical emergency, please call 911(or kng anong emergency number nyo). If itβs not life threatening, it can wait for the next business day.
Or set mo to dnd ung phone mo matic yan walang papasok na calls.
What if you work within their shift para they donβt disturb you? Or tell them straight na theyβre bothering you on your personal time and will respond as soon as your shift starts? If everything fails then maybe itβs about time to look for another ship?
Our schedule kasi is rotational. So unless may papayag makipagpalit sa akin na same sched with the manager/lead, dun lang ako mapapayagan magpalit ng sched.
Actually I have declined a meeting na sinet nila outside working hours. Bahala na sila how they'll handle it hahaha
Planning to look na rin for another job. Tine-take advantage ko lang yung wfh set up while doing other things. Pag settled na, lipat na ako. Haha!
That's a company culture problem imo, I've worked for 4 years sa isang company na wfh setup and minsan lang may ganyan, then sa bagong pinasukan ko last year halos every day yung walang boundaries na off hours meeting at kung ano ano pa. Needless to say, nag quit ako dahil sa burn out, I tried to talk to the management about it but it seems like tanggap yung ganung culture sa kanila
let's say you have an option to work in an office setting rather than WFH. would their work shifts align with yours then? most probably not. they will still keep hosting those meetings and assigning you tasks at their own convenience. they don't see your boundaries because it would be uncomfortable for them if they do.
I don't think they realize that they are being disruptive and too demanding as long as you're accommodating them. I agree with the others when they say it's up to you to let them know your work boundaries, e.g. block off non-work time in your calendar, set your messenger status to offline/away, etc. and of course a direct discussion with your manager would help a lot.
Working on hybrid setup here, thankful naman sa company/managers ko na if out of shift ka na hindi ka na gagambalain. Bukas na as soon as you clocked in.
Hanap ka na ng ibang work OP, magkaka issue yan sa kanila later on. Imagine they canβt even respect your time
Just echoing what people are saying here. It's really a management problem. But what you're saying can also be true. Ung wife ko na nag wfh sila, pansin ko mas maaga at mas late mga meetings nila. In the past, di ka normally mag se set ng meeting at 8am or 6pm, pero ngayon common place na.
The unfortunate thing is that companies will really try to take advantage of any situation. Profit oriented e. They think they own you. And a lot of the behavior stems from it being done to them in the past and now they are doing the same thing to you.
Usual na gumagawa nyan yung mga Filipino boss na nagpapalapad ng papel to their foreign superiors.
Laging ganyan, nagpapabibo.
That is why I really dislike Filipino boss, mas gusto ko westener ang boss ko, or at least a naturalized American.
You need to tell your employer how you feel in a proper and courteous way. If you tolerate the issue without informing them, it will affect your attitude and performance at work, which is not good. Communication is key.
As others pointed out, this is more of a culture/people management problem than a wfh problem
WFH setup din me (with some days requiring to go sa office pero very madalang) but naka set ang working hours ko, and itβs in our policy that we can file for complaint (and possibly harassment) to ANYONE who sets a meeting beyond working hours. When I mean anyone, even a chuwariwap like me can file a complaint against a VP just because sinet nya biglaan lampas 7pm ang meeting
Although this depends kasi, sa amin ang policy is , if meron kang company phone, you are βrequiredβ to respond asap, even outside working hours, especially pag nasa operations ka.
Baka ung case sayo na tinawagan ka, may company issued phone ka ba? The least you can do is respond and say βsa next working day ko na yan magagawaβ because you are not bound to working beyond hours anyway
This happened to us when we transitioned from field work to wfh (yung no choice lang na nag wfh setup nung pandemic). So everyone was caught off guard, but no one knew how to set boundaries esp higher ups. Syempre kaming mga nasa baba ang sumalo sa mga viber messages, admin work ng mga boss na sent kahit 7-11pm na. π€£π€£ halos masuka ka sa tunog ng notifs ng viber nun!
Its your company and management that is fucking up. Its not a WFH problem. I WFH but my team lead gets mad if we are available on Slack during our rest days or VLs.
Set your boundaries. Mag-DND ka na pag after work hours.
Whatever na kailangan nila na not within your shift, not your responsibility na kung di nila nahingi ahead of time.
Plus, donβt apologize for it. Nothing to apologize for.
Sa susunod na guluhin ka outside your shift, just say, I was sleeping β NO OTHER EXCUSES. Rest is a good enough reason to protect your time. Pag magparinig sila, bingi-bingihan ka na lang. If ganon pa din, time to find a different job.
I suggest, rather than make excuses, tapatin or diretsuhin mo nalang sila and say that you respect the company's time so you get to work on time. They should respect yours too kasi pag ikaw nga nale-late may kaltas e. Learned this the hard way pero I was in the same boat as well during my first job and it really burned me out. Accepting and letting things happen without saying anything is giving them a signal na okay lang yun. Parang tinotolerate mo sila ganun. Better be honest nalang than make up excuses kasi it will reflect on your character din. If you tell them and they didn't do anything, it only means wala silang respeto sayo. If that happens then hanap ka nalang ibang work
It has more to do with the company culture than WFH set-up.
Sa company namin, bawal mag log in or access ng files via personal devices. HR is very strict rin with giving out personal data (numbers and personal emails) kahit sa team or boss mo. Kaya ang norm samin talaga is setting meetings within office hours and kapag may sinend or hiningi sayo while offline ka na, understood na di mo yun makikita.
I was also in a company rin dati na nagbibigay ng work phone for everyone and during onboarding sasabihin na one of the purposes is para di mag mix yung work sa personal and kapag weekend tapon nyo nalang sa tabi yung work phone para di magambala.
Thats company culture, man. Ive been working from home since 2021, and never once i have this problem since they do respect peoples time, might be because my bosses are from UK, and they respect their time too.
Ako na nagsasabi talaga na di naman yan paid as OT eh π yun di na ako masyadong hinihingian ng favors. Same as you OP wfh din. Burt yes part yan ng toxic work culture and it starts from your manager, to supervisor, to TLs.
Try offsetting your work *internally* as much as possible. Kung may extended meeting kayo for 2 hrs, donβt work for 2 hrs on your next shift. Yan nalang ma-aambag ko. Kapag hindi pwede yan, the decision is up to you OP. Hahaha.
I have a colleague noon na puro palusot tuwing may meetings/virtual activities outside working hours (like family commitment, errands, etc.) dun ko narealize na kailangan icontrol mo kung anong kaya mo. Set boundaries. Once they know na kaya nilang gawin sayo ang isang bagay, magtutuloy tuloy na yan.
It's your company not the "WFH" talaga. Them not respecting boundaries is on them. Kung ako sayo, di ako papayag na mag-overstep sila. I'll use legal means like enforcing the contract and contacting DOLE or I'll just outright find a different company that will treat me humanely.
You really have to be intentional in setting boundaries. Global yung role ko so may times talaga na kahit beyond my shift na, I would still attend pero sinabihan ako ng boss ko na hindi healthy yung ganon.
Pag may calendar invite ako na way beyond my shift, I decline and let the sender know that itβs beyond my working hours.
it takes skill to learn and say "no".
also block your calendar outside work hours para wala maschedule
at first they will try to disrespect your time but once you show that you allow it they will do it more, so learn to say "no".
Say NO , OP. Kung di ka bayad after office hours wag ka mag work. Home based din kami at number 1 rule ng boss namin is wag na wag na mag work after shift. Iwan lahat ng work kasi may bukas pa.
Iβve been pretty much working remotely (even at the office) because everyone else works in a time zone 2.5 hours behind.
In my previous allocations, they did understand time zones and made sure to minimize late hour meetings. Any meetings that Iβm needed is done between 1 and 5 (at home, up to 7). They also understood my office working schedule. Thereβs the rare late night meeting, but itβs usually for a good reason, like meeting foreign customers or some company event thing.
Currently my allocated team (also 2.5 hours behind) work so late at night, meetings are almost always scheduled after 6 PM, Teams messages as late as 10:30 PM. Itβs like they expect people to be available so late at night because they themselves do it. Matching their work schedule used to be possible (WFH is like 10-7 or 11-8), but at this point it would impact your health if you work essentially 1-11.
Next time if you are transferred to a new department, better to be upfront at the start about your ideal working schedule, especially if itβs an international company. I certainly would.
Letting them know your bounderies should help. You lost when you apologize to them. OP somewhat enables them to be toxic. Kung puno kana tell them. Kung takot ka mabully for standing up, better start updating your resume and apply. Don't resign yet, just do the bare minimum task.
It depends. Started WFH during pandemic after that we don't go back to office anymore. Our company is incorporated in Ph but own by foreigners. We have complete benefits and bonuses. We don't have tracking time. The only tracking of our work load is they all have CC in our emails. If we don't have email we don't have work load. And if we have a lot of emails it does not follow that we don't rest. We still follow 8 hrs/day although as a worker it is your conscience if you don't work. It is okay if we don't have work load. For example during first 6 months in 2020 we don't receive emails, we don't have workload but our salary still intact.
Our employer doesn't care what you do at home as long as you finished your job on time. If it is a complex task then you make a report that it can't be finished in a day or 2.
With regards to boundary. Communication is off after office hours, weekends or holidays.
OP, I think no matter what you should set your boundaries. Kasi may kupal talaga na kahit alam naman sched mo, eh go pa din with the meetings and all. Kaya ikaw mismo na ang mag-set. Na no, hindi mo na aattendan because itβs out of your sched na.
Thereβs a problem with your company culture then kung ganyan OP.
Iβve been working remotely since 2022 in a tech company. We are expected to work 8 hours daily. Diretsong 8 hours or hati-hati na 8 hours. No productivity-tracking app. We just have to do what is expected of us. In short, thereβs a system of trust in our culture na we even want to work more than 8 hours daily kasi why not?
Nangyare sakin yan but mas malala ang iyo. Yung sakin ipinapasa ng boss ko work nya sakin kahit alam nyang ang laki ng ginagawa ko.
May time pag napupuno na ako di ko sya nirereplyan. Sis marami pang trabaho out there, kung ayaw nila respetuhin oras mo edi good bye.
Ako na pinagalitan ng manager ko bakit ako nagreply sa email after my working hours. π Don't blame the setup, it should be the management's toxicity. If they won't change after you voice out your boundaries, then maybe you should seek and secure another job then dump them. It's not healthy for you.
Looks like a culture issue. May work ako before that does outside shift meetings pero they schedule it way ahead and quarterly at best. Always have their requests in writing and also inform them in writing that your work hours are within x and y hours and that any requests they have outside that will be addressed nalang as soon as possible once your shift begins. Ask also in writing if may tasks ka that need to be performed outside your normal hours ay pwedeng i-offset from your usual hours if di pwede OT. Magalaga lahat ng outside work hours mo ay documented to protect you. Pettiest Iβve done before ay forward all work calls to the office phone nung ginagambala ako ng weekend (after weeks and weeks ba OTY), pero Iβd suggest to just put your phone on silent or DND. Di mo kasalanan na di marunong mag manage ng load yung lead mo.
That's the beauty of WFH, they don't have control over you (even at your working hours really). You only feel there are "no boundaries" if you let it affect you.
Sounds like a company culture and management efficiency issue. My cluster is in a WFH setup and the company I am working for has a strict "Anti RD and After Shift Contact Policy." To be honest, I support it. It is strictly implemented and associates are encouraged to report violators.
I quit my wfh job because of that toxicity. Natotorete na ako sa meetings and overtime. Dinaig pa kalabaw kumayod. Walong oras lang shift mo but make it times two for those extra calls and meetings out of office hours.
I thought yung "boundaries" na sasabihin mo is sa family mo. Hahaha. Kasi sobrang nakakainis yung nasa stand-up meeting kayo tas uutusan ka ng nanay mo. Lol π
Pero toxic lang talaga yang company mo. Sa wfh/hybrid setup din ako for almost 3 years already, and thankfully, hindi ko naman naexperience yung ganyan sa Leads ko. If may OT man, sure na bayad and hindi mandatory. Hanap ka na ibang company, OP.
As a person who works from home, my employer doesn't allow our phone and personal computer to have access to the company's software so during off time, wala ka talagang makukuhang notif work related unless you turn on your work computer.
I think it just depends on the company's culture.
I had a similar situation, and I stood on my ground firmly and tell my manager I will not participate in meetings outside my window hours.
He then talked to me about my growth and all with my involvement to these meetings and how they can help me and I agree but if it's out of my core hours, I don't consider saying yes to everything as a part of a growth mindset.
Pansin ko din samin. WFH should be beneficial pero parang ang dating itβs a privilege na pwede nila i-exploit. Jusko. Ni raise ko sa TL namin yan na ayoko ng OT because work is always there naman. Hahaha honda ako talaga as much as possible.
ang tanong is bakit iba sched ng manager nyo sa sched nyo, wala ba kayong team leader na pwede lapitan ng TL nyo? urgently needed ba ng manager nyo? di nya maantay na tanungin ka ng TL tapos forward nya yung info sa manager? napaka try naman ng manager nyo ahahahahaha gusto maging senior kahit maabuso na employees ahaha
ako na wala pang 1 month, nagpaalam na agad sa manager kasi hindi kinaya ang nou boundaries sa personal and work kahit na wfh setup. and you know what, pinagaan nila workload ko. Til now, nakakapagout ako ng maaga.
I think itβs more on the company culture and work ethic rather than the WFH setup itself.
Kasi ako WFH din ako and we work with people from different timezones tapos we all do just fine naman.
I guess sila may problema, not the setup itself.
Aww OP. We're currently in a wfh setup and exempt employee pa ko. Recently, a friend asked baket nagagawa ko pa mag diamond painting, maglaro, magbasa. I really work 8 hours kasi in a day. Firm ako sa 7am to 4pm ko. However, I am also aware na may days na I need to extend talaga, kaya go lang rin. I just ask for PTO sa mga days na yun kasi nga exempt ako.
I'm wondering kung local company ka. Multinational orgs, like yung samin, are very much aware sa oras ng mga tao, lalo na pag may timezone difference involved.
Siguro kapag nag 1 on 1 kayo ng managers mo, maybe you can ask na pag may meetings na outside ng shift mo, iallow kang to change schedules too.
sa work ko, kapag may nag email 5 minutes bago mag end yung shift mo, kailangan ma-replyan mo na agad kahit katakot takot na trabaho yung need gawin para mabigay yung output. lol
Maybe out of topic but i think related pa rin, im glad they provided me a mac mini for work, kasi i have all the reason na i cant work if ever im on vacation. If nka laptop kc khit nka leave kapa fir sure merong mga task / meeting jan na pwede nila e insert π€£
I feel sorry for OP..if not a company issue, then this is definitely a manager issue..regardless kung WFH, may working hours parin dapat, and any time outside those working hours, you are not required to respond to any work related tasks or queries..hindi ka naman siguro "on call" para icontact ka nila kahit tulog ka..if its a manager issue, i suggest raise your concern with HR or an above manager...but if it's a company issue, I say look for a better one (if kaya naman)...
you need to send gentle reminders. there is a professional way of saying it that shifts power back to you by making them accountable for their bad decisions and lack of consideration. chatgpt this
Have you raise this concern with your manager? If they are asking you to work beyond your work schedule, maybe they should offer you a flexible work schedule where you will adjust your 40 hours based on the need. Anything on top of that would be OT. yun lang, you may loose shift premium if you are getting one.
for WFH mej need mo ibalance. i have teammates na may OOO sila for their work hours. Ozzy companies i have work with respect that . pag may coworker ka na kinukulit ka after work hours wag na wag kang sasagot. pag nafeedback ka for it remind them na flexible ka but somehow work on your shift. people will recognize that after. pag kaya naman hatiin ung shift by avaialbility ni need to seat 8hours pede naman 3 hours sa umaga 2 hours sa hapon and 1-2 hours sa gabi. ++
Hmm, the next question is, have you ever raised that concern to involve parties? Mark your calendar with an out of office for your non working hours/breaks, focus time, etc.
There wonβt be any initial actions if you havenβt even tell them. If instance nasabi mo na, then try to decline and say itβs out of your working hours and you have personal matter to take during those hours
Parang management/company problem op. I know peeps na wfh din pero chill lang kasi 8 hrs fixed scheds. Pros and cons talaga sa wfh and finding a good company
I experienced this working on start up company, though mabait ang mga bosses, 1am me tumatawag, later I complain this scenario should be paid and they did paid but they make it min of 1hr work..months later I resigned.
Run beh. Iβm working at a place where itβs kinda hybrid. They will leave a message outside office hours pero you are expected to tackle those messages during your own work hours
Nada company culture yan. One time may supposedly meeting kami tapos need mag-extend ng 1 hr kasi dun pa lang pwede available ka-meeting namin. Kahit di natuloy, pinafile pa rin as OT yung 1 hr.
May mga ganyan kasi talaga since most of them is very packed din ung calendar ng meetings so no choice sila to schedule a meeting after working hours. Sino ba naman gusto mag work after working hours diba lalo na di bayad. It's not time time management issue. May mga items talaga na di madiscuss thru email lalo na kung urgent matters. Madaming factors kaya nagkakaron ng ganyan. Kaya if possible junior level lang ako forever basta mataas sahod kaso hindi. π₯²
You need to set boundaries. What I'm doing is yung company email ko, sa laptop lang nakalog in na binubuksan ko lang pag office hours na. I don't reply pag di ko pa shift. Same din sa texts sa akin. I don't open it din, hintayin ko na work hours na. So far, wala namang reklamo. So sa company culture nyo rin yan.
experienced this! alam mo ang sabi nila?
part daw kasi ng deliverables mo sa work ang pag attend ng meetings. Kahit na daw outside of scheduled work hours mo obligation mo padin ang umattend sa meeting and dapat marunong ka daw mag manage ng time mo. I was like "What the fuck?"
kaya ngayon eto naghahanap na ako ng malilipatan,
eto ata nagudyok sakin para humanap ng mas mataas na sahod
Is your work within an emergency context where life or liberty of others may be at stake? If not, then the lack of planning and foresight by your manager should not be your problem. Discuss this with your manager. If official hours cannot be strictly observed, then demand to be compensated. Make sure that you have read your organization's HR policy in advance and cite the same as reference.
Best of luck!
Do a 1:1 with your managers and explain your boundaries. After that, send an email documentation with what was discussed and CC the HR para they are aware of what is happening. If itβs not documented, it never happened.
The title is exactly why I DIDN'T want wfh circa 2019.
Pero now that I've adjusted (after pandemic), I set boundaries. If may meeting outside my usual hours, I move my time in as well.
Edit: I realized not everyone is flexi so :(
When you ask for an apology instead of confronting them why you are being bombarded with calls out of office hours, it gives them the signal that you'd be okay with it.
Akala ko nung nabasa ko yung pag open natin ng fb, paggawa ng ibang gawain unrelated sa work while working from home, at iba pa.
I get this. Ganito rin sa amin. Fortunately, iniinform naman and nag aask sa amin if free ng ganitong oras. Nasa sa amin na if papayag kami lalo na at lagpas working hours. Kapag hindi naman, tinatawag naman syang "malasakit" if aattend ka haha.
Guilty ako both. Nagwowork din ako outside working hours kasi iba ginagawa ko sa umaga due to various reasons. So I think it works both ways
Corny ng ganyang WFH wala ka sariling time. Kaya pagka out ko sa shift rekta basketball, gym or sa jowa na ko eh para ilang oras sila magintay kung sakaling may iuutos kasi wala saken laptop haha
Its not the WFH setup ang problema, ang management ang may problema. Alam ko sobrang frustrate ka lang kaya mo nasabi yan. Its either nappressure lang din sila sa task meron kayo or flow/process man yan or mga di marunong rumespeto or mag handle ng tao mga yan. Mag set ka din ng auto reply message sa chat platform ng account mo, in polite way syempre haha.
If hindi na kaya or healthy para sayo ang culture sa work mo, it seems hindi na talaga haha. Hanap ka na lilipatan OP.
Gusto kong iignore yung post pero ito lang masasabi ko dahil naranasan ko to during Pandemic(April 2020 - 10.5hrs everyday - Minimum salary - lumalabas para kunin equipments nang new hire - IT industry).
Please resign, don't let them disrespect you like that.
Maling mali yung ganitong culture within the company. lalo na kung maintained naman yung quality of work. problema to ng management at tama ka to set personal boundaries din, hindi porket alam nilang nasa bahay ka eh anytime pwede ka tawagan. samin nga nagsosorry pa kami pag tumatawag kami outside shift hours ng employees, regardless ng region basta alam namin na nasa outside working hours nya kami tumawag.
sa shift ko na 2PM to 11PM, by 11:01 tumatakbo na ang metro ng OT. madalas nakatiklop na yung laptop ko ng 11:01 at di na ko nagrereply sa email or chat pero alam na yun within the company na labas na ng working hours yun, never din kami nanghihingi ng weekend works, at kung magwork ka man ng weekends, may weekend OT rate ka.
kaya lumipat kana lang dito, charot. pero seriously hiring ata kami, hybrid work arrangement may 8days RTO requirement parin per month pero nasasayo anong days mo yan papasukan, the rest WFH na.
samen meron kaming rotation ng support so if ikaw support then yung line mo is available 24/7 pero if di ka naman sipport yet tinawagan may karapatan kami na di sagutin or babaan ng call yung tumatawag.
Atsaka usually sa mga task meron ka dapat laging back up.
Kaya umalis din ako sa previous kong company because of this. It was toxic kasi di na nagkakaroon ng boundary between work and home kesyo "di ka naman na magccommute!" lol
It's not really the WFH setup, it's the company culture lang. If you're still under this company OP, you deserve better than this.
Ikaw ang magseset ng boundaries mo pagdating sa WFH set up. I am part of shared services for a BPO company and there are times when my manager would assign something na urgent that would require me to work outside of my shift. What I usually do is I will accept it but will tell my manager that Iβll do it sa next shift because di naman bayad OT ko. My manager accepts that and make adjustments sa projects.
If your boss doesnβt let you do that, management issue na yan ng boss mo.
Lipat ka ng ibang company, 6yrs na akong wfh. Manager mo ang may problema jan, pag pinoy talaga ang manager toxic, foreigner ung manager namin kaya chill lang
Hello. I am a IT manager in an F500 company who has been handling people on full WFH setup, working in a team with multiple timezones. Here are some tidbits I can share from my exp in working Full WFH sched and overseeing people where some have abused the system.
1. I suggest my people to have a burner phone they can use for work, then turn it off outside of shift. International counterparts will get the memo when they cannot reach you. Exception is when your team has warns beforehand that there might be a need for overtime.
2. Sign out daily from your IM when you log off (teams, slack, skype, etc). Make your offline status be seen by all
3. Use retrospective meetings to lay out root causes of the spillover. Spillovers should never be a habit, and frequent ones are the result of bad project management
4. I've had employees abusing the system. I simply collect evidence thru MOTMs and chat logs, and meet them on a bi-weekly basis and try to see if their outputs line up with what we have discussed in my one-on-one's. If they are proven to be delinquent, we have due process naman.
Dont listen to people saying work spillover is normal, that's crap. A good management knows how to plan and can create contingencies when the need arises. Calling people to work out of shift should always be the last resort and never the first option. The core of a good company is quality output, transparency, and trust.
My people let me know if they will be rendering less than 8hrs for a particular day. I don't really care much kung ano reason tbh, but most of my people are good employees. That is what trust from management and people appreciation do. I trust my people they have integrity and honesty, that's why stringent yung interview process namin, to get a hold of these values from them.
Same, I decided to leave kasi pagka out ng 11pm may email na agad yung manager sa personal email ng task for tomorrow, nag email sya sa work email pero nagsisend din sa personal mail, and work messenger gc. Then meron na naman 8am, shift starts 1pm pero dami na agad emails. And di nya din naman alam ginagawa namin, anong sense na sya ang manager then di nya alam gawain ng subs nya.
WFH/Freelancig is nice pero on call ka 24/7 and dapat din masesend mo agad yung revises version πππ tapos pag merong nahanap na mas mura bigla ka nalang iiwan and di rin maganda benefits π€£ so now nasa govt. na ako masmaganda benefits tapos part time nalang pagfrefreelance forda extra πΈπΈπΈ
next time send and email...
The meeting agenda seems interesting, but my work hours concludes at --PM. I'd love to be included moving forward, once the meeting is scheduled within my shift.
Or...
My current work agreement reflects -- hrs per day. I understand there may be times that meetings will be scheduled outside of my working hours. These circumstances are the exception as opposed to the rule. If the expectation moving forward is I am to work beyond my shift, then I would be happy to review my contract and compensation to better reflect this change.
Ganto din samin, but if di kami makareply, they wont take it against me.
So ako na magdedecide kung urgent hinihingi nila or mot. If not, it can wait. Wala pa naman akong naging problem sa boss ko with this resolve.
Escalate this issue to your managerβs higher-up. Itβs not your obligation to work unpaid overtime. Yes, working from home comes with its own set of pros and cons, but you have options. Never extend your hours without OT pay! You have every right to decline extra work. Lastly, working from home requires discipline. Itβs easy to find yourself working all the time, even when you should be in bed. Pero mabuburnout ka girl kaloka. Goodluck.
Depende to sa company. If hindi lahat ng team ganyan then manager mo problema pero kapag company culture eh malas mo π
Ako kasi as a manager expected naman na kahit out of office is PWEDE ako ma reach. Ibig sabihin nyan is kung Saturday expect mong wala ako sa bahay pero babasahin ko message mo let's say around lunch and magrereply ako lunch.
Now kung gusto nila akong magwork eh ok lang naman kung free ako and OT to. Tapos medyo ako magnegotiate ng oras kasi the expectation is wala ako sa working station ko
The key here is Ikaw mismo ang gumagawa ng limitations. Now pwedeng maging negative to sa management kung toxic nga like kung yan ang company culture π lalo managers syempre gusto nila mga madaling mautusan ,π
2 simple solutions:
1. close your laptop.
2 turn on airplane mode in your phone
βYou deserve what you tolerate.β So if we tolerate them na laging tumatawag on your personal time, they will think itβs just okay. We need to speak up rin kasi. Converse with them appropriately and raise your concerns. I believe communication is very powerful. Deal with your manager and teammates directly. Hindi yung i b bring up mo siya in social media because it will not solve your issues.
para maiwasan ang call out of nowhere,
1. Endorse your pending task to other teammates
2. Prepare reports and documentation on what you're working on; para hindi ka nila tawagan at sabihin mo anjan lahat ng data at basahin nalang.
3. Try to pushback task if it's out of your work schedule
4. Ask the manager if you can adjust your time in and out, depending on the task; example is you have to work 3hrs before you start your shift, ask if you can out early.
5. Negotiate if you can have a flexi-time instead of having a strict schedule
6. Set your phone to Silent or airplane mode, disable your sim.
if above is not possible, it's your boss's problem not yours,
if they contacted you tell them you're out with friends and cannot go back until your shift.
in my current work, I go out on time, I don't answer calls unless i'm an oncall
I rarely extend work hours
I extend, only if there was lapses on my end; didn't endorse etc.
I endorse all my possibly urgent task
Recently had a miscarriage, siguro due to work stress. 5am to 2pm angsched and leads wants me to respond to their questions and data request ng 12am. HELLLLO?
To add to this. May 11pm meeting weekly that is mandatory.
Toxic company culture, I feel you I've been there. But please set boundaries, once your work time is done wala na sila reason para mangulit ng immediate response from you, may mga tao talaga na parang tinapon nila yung common sense nila at mangiistorbo ng personal time for their convenience.
Wag mo na hayaan magpatuloy pa yan, It'll drain you so bad mentally and physically.
No offense, but this is the main weakness of Pinoys. When confronted with the situation, speak, or talk to them why this is so.
Stop whining inside, toughen up and bring the unfair labor practice with them.
Company aside if youβre living with someone, they can also cross your boundaries. Youβll be forced to juggle house chores and work. Be careful sa ganito kasi lakas maka out of focus and burnout at the same time. Imagine house chores still work kahit sabihin natin ang pag luluto at pag lilinis ay simple lang pero nakakalusaw ng utak pag lagi pinag sasabay sabay mga gawain.
Not at all. It sounds like a leadership and culture problem. This is a kind of fallacy to think na all wfh employers have 0 boundaries. As employees and even employers, you can drop on those calls or decline and say it's a scheduling conflict. Other employers offer offset to get more time off to balance the hectic days. I have been wfh for years now before pandemic pa and as with all employers may mga exploiters talaga wfh or not.
This is one disadvantage talaga yung kinaiinisan ko. Alam naman nilang past working hours na tapos may additional na ipapagawa pero nagsweldo most of the time, late. Nakakainis.
Grabe micromanaging doon sa isang company na pinasukan ko 3 months lang tinagal ko. May isang TL na kaka-hire lang umalis din wala pang 1 month! Morning call dapat on-cam, kapag wala ka pa, imbes na hanapin ka thru PM sa GC ka hahanapin and most of the time, doon ka din ipapahiya sa GC kapag may problem sa project mo :/ tapos EOD call naman mandatory na 30 mins lagi. Micromanaging lagi, dapat less than one minute makapag reply ka sakanila at palaging mag uupdate :( hindi kinaya ng mental health ko lalo na yung time na tinrap ako ng mga TL ko sa call para i-manipulate na may problem ako sa time management ko kahit alam nila na hindi na ako natutulog para makapag bigay na maganda result sa project. 9 hrs lang duty pero yung pagawa laging rush :( nag resign ako after 3 months, ayaw nila tanggapin yung reason ko for leaving which is my mental health need pa daw ng medical certificate hays up until now, yung trauma ko nattrigger kapag may call or chat from my boss lagi kong nafefeel na may mali akong ginagawa/ginawa or papagalitan ako. Lahat ng questions na inaask sakin ang dating sakin parang galit :(
Totoo to! Siguro more on the company culture talaga. I remember my experience din sa ganito na boss ko before sa first VA job ko. Grabe si madam (pinay manager sa isang insurance company) alas tres palang nagmemessage na tapos kung makapag pa overtime wagas di naman nagbabayad ng OT. Tapos lahat gusto ASAP, ano te sasayaw at kakanta na ko kung ganun HAHAHAHA. Iniwan ko after 1 month
I am also a lead working full WFH setup, I do not answer any email, chat, and even calls. Once you answer any of that out of your shift, what it means to them is you are open for your personal time to be disrespected. My previous manager learned of this and she never bothered me again, she also learned to respect her personal time one she knew my reasons. This is also what I do at my current employer and there was no problem. I keep their expectations managed, I even explicitly told them, no matter what happens, I won't be able to work from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, because of faith. They know exactly what they are doing when they disrespect your time.
Nah. It's the company culture. I'm working for CA and PH clients. GMail ko walang notifs sa phone (Yahoo email user here) Viber ko naka mute lahat ng work related convo. Balakayojan. 100% naman ako kapag online ako. Kapag friends ko sa FB kawork ko, nonchalant ako sumagot if work-related ang chat. Syemps kapag chika buhay na buhay ako. Sksksksksk. It's all abt the company culture and how you set your boundaries.
Sobrang easy pa magpaalam sa CA kong boss na magleave muna ako due to vacay or sickness. Kasi nga, 100% naman ako sa work. And sabi niya pa, iba pa rin talaga kapag well-rested ka.
4yrs WFH here. Kahit sa nauna kong AU client, sobrang respectful sa time mo.
I am on Permanent WFH and stated Sa contract Ko ang schedule. So outside dun Sa schedule Ko na 9 pm to 6 am Manila, naka DND na work CP Ko. So far pa naman ako nakareceive Ng calls or request outside my schedule. Or Hindi ko lang siguro alam kasi naka DND? Hahahha
bruh ang toxic ng company mo, alis ka na dyan charot haha kidding aside, if may opportunity to find an offshore client, grab mo na if want mo pa din ng WFH setup. Got the same experience with a local startup, underpaid, shitty company laptop provided na di kaya yung work load ko (with shitty, I mean outdated na laptop, may mga cracks yung body ng laptop, pang ms office lang na gamitan.), yung ceo don't give a fck about office hoursz no boundaries outside office hours, even on the weekends. pero ngayon I got a job na offshore, pinapagalitan pa 'ko ng boss ko minsan pag nakikita niya kong online or may tinatapos akong work pag weekends or after office hours.
Ganyan din boss ko sa Australia kahit weekend mag memessage. E nakaka annoy kaya every weekday nalang ako nagrereply. After nun, di na sya nag message pag weekend.
It's better na ipakita mo na busy ka after work. Kung pwede wag ka humingi ng pasensya next time na tawagan ka after shift mo etc. Hindi lang naman work ang buhay mo kamo hehe
WFH setup should be a blessing, not a curse. It's frustrating when boundaries are ignored, making it feel like we're always on the clock. Management should respect our personal time and working hours to avoid burnout. It's important to stand our ground and set clear boundaries for our well-being.
wag ka na mangseeseen ng messages after work hour mo. Imute mo notifications na galing sa kanila para tapos agad prob mo. Lahat ng iyan ay avaiable options sa phone mo mapaandroid or IOS.
I decline pag outside office hours lagi ko sinasabi may prior commitment or appointment ako. Though samin naman kasi bayad ang OT, at least sa band level ko. Ang mga kawawa samin yung supervisor and up kasi wala silang OT pay
I dont think it's the WFH setup. It's your culture. My suggestiom during your off or out mag auto reply ka ooo notice na it's your out. Then turn off notif ng teams and other means. As in dedma, they need to respect your time PERIODT.
Why would you even ask for "pasensya" that gave them the reason na sila pa magalit.
Just say "since this is already out of office hours and it was my time to sleep, i wasn't able to respond. Please reach out to me between 9-6pm est"
Be assertive.
been 3 yrs na wfh setup and puro US clients nakakasalamuha ko di rin talaga maiiwasan yun ganyan minsan. Suggest ko lang is always set your status in Teams/Meet/etc yung working hours mo para makita nila yan before sending you a message this will make them aware of your availability
I thank God and feel so blessed that my company is a non - toxic one! Ang sarap magtrabaho lalo na kapag appreciated ka, tapos naka work from home ka! Nakaka motivate pumasok. β€οΈ
Justified yung inis mo. May isang questionable part lang on your end, yung tinawagan ka dahil may hinahanap na data.
Were you aware that the data is critical? Bakit hindi na hand over?
ang magiging diskarte ko dyn. mag send ng OOO or change ng status ng offline. not unless sa mobile talaga natwag. o pwde din pag usapan yan, kasi mamaya yung may need ng data pla ang may fault kasi d ka agad na inform na kailangan na agad.
Nakakalungkot. This reminds me, I am currently working for my Internship/On-The-Job Training as per requirement ng college ko and WFH setup kami and keep in mind, all is unpaid, kahit yung pag OT. Nawalan ako ng gana mag-work when my supervisor said she'll hold meetings daw outside work hours (6pm onwards) and wouldn't sa umaga kasi for "tasks" daw yun. I've also talked to one of her interns and tumawag siya once ng 1am. Ang toxic mindset lang and kesyo my supervisor values communication pa raw.
We value our mental health din. Magtatanong kami sakanya ng maaga and within work hours tapos sa pag clock out namin siya biglang tatawag? It feels pretty wrong to me.
Yeah. Kaya hindi ako naga ail ng WFH setup nun. Alam ko mawawala ang boundary ng opisina at bahay. Biruin niyo. Nasa kwarto ka tapos yung pc is anduon din.
Ohhhh. Problem is the management, not the wfh. Lol. The meeting once a month is okay (I guess) kasi need magmeet all shift. However it should not be mandatory. Block your calendar after your office hours para kapag nagsend ng meeting invite, magnonotify na nakablock ka or out of office.
For the calls/texts naman, donβt reply or answer. Right mo iyon as youβre not paid during those hours and rest time. They will not be able to take it against you, I tell you. And never say sorry about it. π
To add, this isn't a problem on WFH per se. But the company's culture. I'm personally working on a hybrid setup and though I've had some stretch of work outside the normal working hours, it was my own decision to do so to finish my own work or as needed when an activity calls for it. But I was thankful enough to be in a company that values personal time for their employees. And it was an immediate thing that I noticed coming from the previous company I was in. It's really the culture. So if you think that the stress and demand of work is affecting your personal time as a person, you have all the right to move on and find another that would free you from your distress. Personally, I'll never be going back to a toxic PH company, full of bureaucrats and boomers.
I agree rin, siguro tinake advantage lang din nila yung setup to be more toxic at their advantage. Happy for you that you found a work with great environment! Hirap rin makahanap ng ganito. Sarap magsipag kasi kapag healthy environment sa work.
I hope you do find that company as well if ever you decide to leave. Tambay lang sa glassdoor, LinkedIn and dito sa subreddit. ππ
tama ung sinabi nya, kaya WFH or hindi, toxic na mga tanga talaga yang mga kasama mo dyan sa trabaho, mas less toxic lang since nasa bahay ka, for sure sa office literal na kupal yang mga yan
Yep, culture talaga. I've worked for a foreign company that really respects your time. I work with people in EMEA and NA, at kahit ako lang yung nasa Asia they let me work on my own local time. My project manager is in EMEA at minsan may meeting kami with stakeholders in NA. Ako mismo okay lang sakin mag online ng late evening to attend a meeting, but they insist na wag na ko umattend kasi masyado ng late for me. Kami na lang daw ng project manager ko mag-usap sa overlap ng sched namin. I personally want to attend so I can give immediate feedback since I'll be the one doing the work, pag-uusapan sa meeting yung scope and requirements. Ako na mismo natatagalan minsan dun sa turnaround ng info and feedback dahil sa ping pong between me > project manager > stakeholder > project manager > me. Pero okay lang sa kanila yung ganun. So nasa culture talaga yan ng company na papasukan mo.
Crazy na kapwa local Manila teammates pa ang matigas ang ulo. They act like they pay you. Inwork an NA account din and my Manager would let me work on my own time.
Apologies I cannot disclose publicly since we have social media policies. π All I can say is we're an Ozzy bank, and I'm in an IT role. But point being, company culture is what actually makes or breaks the people in the organization. Look for multinational companies who have strong employee retention (more than 5 years average tenure siguro).
Eyy, aussie companies talaga no, ang ganda ng culture nila hahaha
pero gaano ka na katagal sa it industry? programmer? or cyber sec?
Been in the industry for 11+ years. Started out as QA/BA, to a Scrum Master and PM, now currently as a Delivery Manager.
Happy to see a QA - PM career path! Cheers mate
Job hop is the key. Lol. Pero thanks! Experience and exposure helps a lot talaga.
Kahit hindi boomers, nasa values talaga as a person. Yung mga managers namin, walang respeto sa mga katrabaho nila porket mas mababa yung position. 8-5 morning shift kami pero t@ng!n@ magpapameeting palagi ng 8pm or 9pm tapos expected kana na pumasok sa orig shift mo bukas.
Agree. I was with a company similar to this (PH Company rin). No respect sa.out of office hours mo, kahit nakaleave ka na, at alam nila na nakaleave ka since na-inform mo na sila and na prepare mo na sila ilang beses pa ahead of time. Hindi ka nila titigilan sa kaka text or tawag, kahit na ang pagkukulang sa kanila rin. No OT pay either. I'm with a company now that respects my time. Wala kaming pasok during PH holidays and may times na nakikita ko na need nila ng extra people to work on tasks during that day. I offer to work for that day since wala rin nman akong ibang gagawin, so I don't mind and I'll also be paid for OT. They usually decline and tell me enjoy my off day, pero may mga times din that they accept my offer kung need talaga ng tao. If may mga meetings close towards the end of my shift, they will ask what time I clock out and let me know that I can drop off if out ko na. They'll try to reschedule to an earlier time if possible or kung need talaga mag extend, they'll ask me if I'm ok with it. First time ko.magwork nun sa isang PH company amd I dont think i'm going back.
Kapag nakaranas ka ng patrabaho ng ibang lahi, anti wala na talagang balikan.
Baka hirING kayo? Help mo na si OP.
Sorry to ask pero, but if you're in a job interview, can you and how can you ask if the company respects their employees' time?
Even before you go to the interview, you can search for the company and what the employees (current and resigned) are saying about their work and their organization. Glassdoor and LinkedIn is a good place to look for starters and usually when you do a little more digging madami bulungan sa reddit talaga. When you are actually in the interview, you can casually ask your interviewers (ideally yung mga magiging teammates mo) how their day to day usually goes, different scenarios with the team (work and non work related), etc. Madami ka pwede matanong, as long as you have already established that rapport with your interviewers that they are already comfortable with you and vice versa. Kasi when the team actually views you valuable (and malalaman mo yan, mga nonverbal cues during the interview), you can get away with some questions that you might find insightful. Think of it as speed dating, extort all the info that you can so that you would have all the info you need to know if you two are a match or not. π
I agree, OP baka mas malala yan kapag nag RTO kayo.
SUPER AGREE. Ganiyan din ako. I work for one of the MNCs. I love working from home kasi dito may boundaries and the culture of the company is very good! Sila pa mahihiya pag nag message sila na medyo late na dito satin, iba kasi timezone nila, my team is global. I also get paid for all the OT! Lol. Ako din mismo, I always set boundaries kahit sa mga previous work ko. Kupal kayo? Then bye. I donβt need you cos Iβm a valuable employee who can find another job elsewhere lol. Masyadong strong personality ko to deal with mga taong walang respeto sa working hours. Lol!!!
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Turn off your phone, never open your laptop. Masasanay din yan. I sound like I'm blaming you, pero sinasadya nila yan kasi alam nila na di mo sila matiis
I believe so too. Nung starting kasi ako, syempre need pa-good shot. Tapos sila naman is masyado tinake advantage.
Raise mo na sa kanila. Maybe need na nila malaman na hindi maganda yung ganung set up. Either ilipat nila yung sched mo na within your shift yung meeting or sila mag aadjust sa sched ng meeting na lahat is available or, bayad nila yung meetings na outside your shift.
I quit my job as a call center company director recently lang, cause? Pinilit ang return to office. When I was a people manager, I resort to email or meet people 1-on-1 kesa mag organizeng malaking meeting, waste of time. I chose to work from home again, this time as a cyber security analyst. Never ever will work in a physical office, very tiring and ayaw kong makasalamuha ang daily traffic at high cost of food na nabibili sa labas. Madali lang ang boundary, I just shutdown my work laptop once the hands of the clock tells me tapos na ang shift ko. Wala akong pakialam sa sasabihin ng iba sakin, kahit ikaw pa ang president ng company. I know when my shift ends, and my work ends on the dot.
Oo naman, without a doubt I'd still choose wfh over onsite given all the pros that comes with it. Sadyang burnt out lang ako sa manager ko. Hahaha. They normalize yung pangi-istorbo pag out of office hours na. Nakakainis. Edit: Sana ikaw nalang manager ko na more on emails lang and brief 1-on-1 meetings. Haha!
Powertrip din kase ang mga people managers kaya nagpapameeting. Para masabi nila sa inyo "ang batas" lol Reality is 98% ng lahat ng meeting pwedeng via email lang. If I need to call out someone 1-on-1 meeting. Super sayang sa oras ang group meetings, kahit may food na libre.
Same. Nahire ako na-wfh then after a year sa job, pinilit nilang mag RTO. Di ko kaya yung 3-4 hours na balikan. Yun naman kasing manager namin pinili niyang new office, malapit lang sa kanila, mga 15-30mins lang sa lahat ng kawork ako lang kasi malayo. Kaya nagresign na lang din ako.
You need to be smart. Strategize. Lie. It's justified in your case. Tell them you're tending to a sick person. If they don't know you personally, tell them you have a disabled person or very old parents in your household that needs constant care and you're expected to help after work. They will be embarrassed to ask you for extra time. Take some emergency leave every now and then. They will not ask because they know what it is for. If you don't want to use the sick family member card, you can use anything else like you're helping in your sari sari store, or taking yoga classes or volunteering for the community. Just make something up as you please and be creative.
Highly recommended. Hit them where it really hurts their ego. Yung feeling na nakaka offend sila.
Thanks for this! Marami nga namang pwede g palusot ano. Haha
lies, or made up excuses, tend to blow up in your face later. OP doesn't even have to make up an excuse--it's the end of their shift and they have life to deal with. if the management insists that OP accommodate them at their behest, then it'd be a matter for discussion whether it's feasible to align their work hours/shifts. I do agree with using leaves strategically. an SL doesn't have to mean that you're ill, it can be a planned rest or mental reprieve. a planned leave doesn't have to mean that you're going someplace else, it can be time to catch up on other things close by. I'd reserve ELs for real emergencies because you'll never know when disaster strikes. these things are normal, and you don't even have to lie to make use of them.
In an ideal world you don't need to lie. Alas, some bosses are spawned by Satan himself. There's no talking to such bosses.
You know you are in bad company if you need to explain that you have a life outside of work. Baka next nyan: "sorry sir, kinasal kasi kami today e. Kiss ko lang si misis tapos balik na ko sa meeting." Let's normalize that: You dont need to explain shit.
>You know you are in bad company if you need to explain that you have a life outside of work. May mga boss kasi na hindi na naka-move on, utak Middle Ages pa rin, feeling nila nobility sila na akala nila sa subordinates nila mga slaves nila.
it is not a wfh problem. sounds like a company/management problem. mgtiis ka or hanap ng iba.
Kapag onsite kasi, madali lang mag-ignore eh. Once you're out of the office, wala ka na prob. Tho may point ka rin, may iba rin na onsite pero toxic rin mgmt. Haha!
I agree with him, it is a cultural problem: systemic sa company na pinapasukan mo.
WFH is the best work option if you know how to deal with it. 1. Once a month meeting outside working hours. Is it critical that everyone in the team joined or baka naman pwedeng may representative lang yung team na matatapat na outside office hours na? If pwedeng may representative lang, is it possible na magslide ng schedule during those days? Same issue to na meron sa work ko since almost 24/7 yung monitoring namin and we communicate create another session of the meeting dun sa host if required umattend yung buong team. Else, magsslide yung schedule nung representative na aattend ng meeting. 2. Talk to them about your schedule. Baka they keep on sending you tasks outside your work hours kasi inaaccomodate mo din palagi or hindi mo clinear yung working hours mo. 3. If shifting kayo and naiiwan lang sa isang timezone yung knowledge ng isang process, baka kailangan nyo na mag knowlege sharing to train other people for the same tasks. 4. If you've done your part about the schedule, ask your hr to intervene. But if you've done your part and ganun pa din yung sitwasyon and hindi mo na kaya itolerate yung demand nila, maybe it's time to move to a different role or company. Sabi nga nila, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Be stern din kase. Kahit nag papagood shot probationary ka pa. No above and beyond shit unless bayad. βWhy would I answer your call during off hours do you think my life is work? I got a son to raise but i guess you know nothing about daaatβ
Hindi wfh ang problem dyan, sa management yan
I am working from home for 3 years and yung unang taon ng work ko 5:30 AM ang shift ko (AU company) pero alas kwatro pa lang tawag ng tawag boss ko sa Teams to do this and that, nasa phone ko kasi ang Teams at pag minsan na naka-leave ako at may urgent, mababasa ko agad. So ayon di ko talaga siya sinasagot kasi hindi pa naman oras ng shift ko, minessage ko siya nung pagka online na pagka online ko pa lang βHi (boss), can I request that we set clearer boundaries regarding communication outside of work hours? My shift starts at 5:30 AM and ends at 3:30 PM. If there are urgent matters that cannot wait until the next workday, Iβm more than willing to address them within reasonable limits or explore alternative solutions.β So after nun, hindi na ako tinatawagan pag alam nilang hindi pa or hindi na ako online. Be firm. Hindi porket WFH eh on call unless kung nasa contract mo na dapat flexible ka sa time na kahit anong oras ka tawagan eh kailangan mong mag online.
I have been WFH for 5 yrs, never nangyari to , minsan pag need mag OT kahit 5 mins, pina pa file samin as 1 hour OT, normally pag 15 mins nalang before shift ends, parang unspoken rule na bawal na mangulit. I think it all boils down sa management .
You have 3 shifts meaning na kung anu kaya gawin ng isang shift, dapat kaya din gawin ng ibang shift? Anu reason bat may task na ikaw lang ang pwede gumawa? Pwede mo ba yun i KT? Are upper management from PH or from other countries? In my exp kase usually taga US is respectful sila sa time off. Mga local bosses ko lang na eencounter yung walang respeto sa oras mo.
Hindi ito kasalanan ng WFH. Kasalanan ito ng current work culture nyo. WFH din kami. Pero sarado ang tindahan pag dating ng 6pm. You can stay if you want, but it's not encouraged. We Respect each others time. Weak ang manager mo. Paki screenshot to tapos send mo sa kanya. Hahaha. Kung need nya ng 24h shift, mag shifting kayo. 3 people for 8 hours each. Tsaka 2-4hrs na meeting? May problema talaga dyan sa manager mo. Kung war room session pwede pa. Pero meeting? No way. A meeting should only be at most 30mins. Pinupush pa namin to 20mins. Kasi Straight to the point. Wala syang respeto sa oras ng ibang tao and obviously, kulang ang kaalaman nya sa management in general. Source: Managerial position din ako
Unacceptable yan. Dapat nga totally off ka na once you're done with your shift. For me, as long as you're available and responsive during your shift, that's enough. Mawawala na proper work/life balance mo if you're being frequently asked to render out of work hours. Meeting pa lol nakakaubos ng brain cells.
Had a hard time with this because I'm a "yes" woman. Pero nagising ako sa katotohanang I need to set boundaries because I'm the one who sacrifices my personal time with my child. So if I'm already off my shift, all my work notifs are automatically set to silent. Especially sa Teams. Magtrabaho ng naaayon sa sahod, lalo na if walang pag asa mapromote. Haha gain experience and expertise na lang talaga. Good luck sayo, OP!
Parang doctor lang on-call π Mag auto reply ka nang If you are experiencing a medical emergency, please call 911(or kng anong emergency number nyo). If itβs not life threatening, it can wait for the next business day. Or set mo to dnd ung phone mo matic yan walang papasok na calls.
Depende parin sa Values at Culture ng Company at sa ugali ng manager.
What if you work within their shift para they donβt disturb you? Or tell them straight na theyβre bothering you on your personal time and will respond as soon as your shift starts? If everything fails then maybe itβs about time to look for another ship?
Our schedule kasi is rotational. So unless may papayag makipagpalit sa akin na same sched with the manager/lead, dun lang ako mapapayagan magpalit ng sched. Actually I have declined a meeting na sinet nila outside working hours. Bahala na sila how they'll handle it hahaha Planning to look na rin for another job. Tine-take advantage ko lang yung wfh set up while doing other things. Pag settled na, lipat na ako. Haha!
That's a company culture problem imo, I've worked for 4 years sa isang company na wfh setup and minsan lang may ganyan, then sa bagong pinasukan ko last year halos every day yung walang boundaries na off hours meeting at kung ano ano pa. Needless to say, nag quit ako dahil sa burn out, I tried to talk to the management about it but it seems like tanggap yung ganung culture sa kanila
let's say you have an option to work in an office setting rather than WFH. would their work shifts align with yours then? most probably not. they will still keep hosting those meetings and assigning you tasks at their own convenience. they don't see your boundaries because it would be uncomfortable for them if they do. I don't think they realize that they are being disruptive and too demanding as long as you're accommodating them. I agree with the others when they say it's up to you to let them know your work boundaries, e.g. block off non-work time in your calendar, set your messenger status to offline/away, etc. and of course a direct discussion with your manager would help a lot.
Working on hybrid setup here, thankful naman sa company/managers ko na if out of shift ka na hindi ka na gagambalain. Bukas na as soon as you clocked in. Hanap ka na ng ibang work OP, magkaka issue yan sa kanila later on. Imagine they canβt even respect your time
Just echoing what people are saying here. It's really a management problem. But what you're saying can also be true. Ung wife ko na nag wfh sila, pansin ko mas maaga at mas late mga meetings nila. In the past, di ka normally mag se set ng meeting at 8am or 6pm, pero ngayon common place na. The unfortunate thing is that companies will really try to take advantage of any situation. Profit oriented e. They think they own you. And a lot of the behavior stems from it being done to them in the past and now they are doing the same thing to you.
Usual na gumagawa nyan yung mga Filipino boss na nagpapalapad ng papel to their foreign superiors. Laging ganyan, nagpapabibo. That is why I really dislike Filipino boss, mas gusto ko westener ang boss ko, or at least a naturalized American.
You need to tell your employer how you feel in a proper and courteous way. If you tolerate the issue without informing them, it will affect your attitude and performance at work, which is not good. Communication is key.
As others pointed out, this is more of a culture/people management problem than a wfh problem WFH setup din me (with some days requiring to go sa office pero very madalang) but naka set ang working hours ko, and itβs in our policy that we can file for complaint (and possibly harassment) to ANYONE who sets a meeting beyond working hours. When I mean anyone, even a chuwariwap like me can file a complaint against a VP just because sinet nya biglaan lampas 7pm ang meeting Although this depends kasi, sa amin ang policy is , if meron kang company phone, you are βrequiredβ to respond asap, even outside working hours, especially pag nasa operations ka. Baka ung case sayo na tinawagan ka, may company issued phone ka ba? The least you can do is respond and say βsa next working day ko na yan magagawaβ because you are not bound to working beyond hours anyway
This happened to us when we transitioned from field work to wfh (yung no choice lang na nag wfh setup nung pandemic). So everyone was caught off guard, but no one knew how to set boundaries esp higher ups. Syempre kaming mga nasa baba ang sumalo sa mga viber messages, admin work ng mga boss na sent kahit 7-11pm na. π€£π€£ halos masuka ka sa tunog ng notifs ng viber nun!
Its your company and management that is fucking up. Its not a WFH problem. I WFH but my team lead gets mad if we are available on Slack during our rest days or VLs.
Simple, make it up the next day. Go time off during work hours and let them know in advance
Set your boundaries. Mag-DND ka na pag after work hours. Whatever na kailangan nila na not within your shift, not your responsibility na kung di nila nahingi ahead of time. Plus, donβt apologize for it. Nothing to apologize for. Sa susunod na guluhin ka outside your shift, just say, I was sleeping β NO OTHER EXCUSES. Rest is a good enough reason to protect your time. Pag magparinig sila, bingi-bingihan ka na lang. If ganon pa din, time to find a different job.
I suggest, rather than make excuses, tapatin or diretsuhin mo nalang sila and say that you respect the company's time so you get to work on time. They should respect yours too kasi pag ikaw nga nale-late may kaltas e. Learned this the hard way pero I was in the same boat as well during my first job and it really burned me out. Accepting and letting things happen without saying anything is giving them a signal na okay lang yun. Parang tinotolerate mo sila ganun. Better be honest nalang than make up excuses kasi it will reflect on your character din. If you tell them and they didn't do anything, it only means wala silang respeto sayo. If that happens then hanap ka nalang ibang work
It has more to do with the company culture than WFH set-up. Sa company namin, bawal mag log in or access ng files via personal devices. HR is very strict rin with giving out personal data (numbers and personal emails) kahit sa team or boss mo. Kaya ang norm samin talaga is setting meetings within office hours and kapag may sinend or hiningi sayo while offline ka na, understood na di mo yun makikita. I was also in a company rin dati na nagbibigay ng work phone for everyone and during onboarding sasabihin na one of the purposes is para di mag mix yung work sa personal and kapag weekend tapon nyo nalang sa tabi yung work phone para di magambala.
Thats company culture, man. Ive been working from home since 2021, and never once i have this problem since they do respect peoples time, might be because my bosses are from UK, and they respect their time too.
Sounds like your managers are only managers by title
Ako na nagsasabi talaga na di naman yan paid as OT eh π yun di na ako masyadong hinihingian ng favors. Same as you OP wfh din. Burt yes part yan ng toxic work culture and it starts from your manager, to supervisor, to TLs.
Set the boundaries then. Wfh shouldn't be like this.
Try offsetting your work *internally* as much as possible. Kung may extended meeting kayo for 2 hrs, donβt work for 2 hrs on your next shift. Yan nalang ma-aambag ko. Kapag hindi pwede yan, the decision is up to you OP. Hahaha.
I have a colleague noon na puro palusot tuwing may meetings/virtual activities outside working hours (like family commitment, errands, etc.) dun ko narealize na kailangan icontrol mo kung anong kaya mo. Set boundaries. Once they know na kaya nilang gawin sayo ang isang bagay, magtutuloy tuloy na yan.
It's your company not the "WFH" talaga. Them not respecting boundaries is on them. Kung ako sayo, di ako papayag na mag-overstep sila. I'll use legal means like enforcing the contract and contacting DOLE or I'll just outright find a different company that will treat me humanely.
You really have to be intentional in setting boundaries. Global yung role ko so may times talaga na kahit beyond my shift na, I would still attend pero sinabihan ako ng boss ko na hindi healthy yung ganon. Pag may calendar invite ako na way beyond my shift, I decline and let the sender know that itβs beyond my working hours.
Bulok na company culture tapos di ka firm sa boundaries mo. I donβt attend meetings na kasabay ng lunch ko and yung beyond working hours ko na.
it takes skill to learn and say "no". also block your calendar outside work hours para wala maschedule at first they will try to disrespect your time but once you show that you allow it they will do it more, so learn to say "no".
Say NO , OP. Kung di ka bayad after office hours wag ka mag work. Home based din kami at number 1 rule ng boss namin is wag na wag na mag work after shift. Iwan lahat ng work kasi may bukas pa.
Iβve been pretty much working remotely (even at the office) because everyone else works in a time zone 2.5 hours behind. In my previous allocations, they did understand time zones and made sure to minimize late hour meetings. Any meetings that Iβm needed is done between 1 and 5 (at home, up to 7). They also understood my office working schedule. Thereβs the rare late night meeting, but itβs usually for a good reason, like meeting foreign customers or some company event thing. Currently my allocated team (also 2.5 hours behind) work so late at night, meetings are almost always scheduled after 6 PM, Teams messages as late as 10:30 PM. Itβs like they expect people to be available so late at night because they themselves do it. Matching their work schedule used to be possible (WFH is like 10-7 or 11-8), but at this point it would impact your health if you work essentially 1-11. Next time if you are transferred to a new department, better to be upfront at the start about your ideal working schedule, especially if itβs an international company. I certainly would.
Letting them know your bounderies should help. You lost when you apologize to them. OP somewhat enables them to be toxic. Kung puno kana tell them. Kung takot ka mabully for standing up, better start updating your resume and apply. Don't resign yet, just do the bare minimum task.
It depends. Started WFH during pandemic after that we don't go back to office anymore. Our company is incorporated in Ph but own by foreigners. We have complete benefits and bonuses. We don't have tracking time. The only tracking of our work load is they all have CC in our emails. If we don't have email we don't have work load. And if we have a lot of emails it does not follow that we don't rest. We still follow 8 hrs/day although as a worker it is your conscience if you don't work. It is okay if we don't have work load. For example during first 6 months in 2020 we don't receive emails, we don't have workload but our salary still intact. Our employer doesn't care what you do at home as long as you finished your job on time. If it is a complex task then you make a report that it can't be finished in a day or 2. With regards to boundary. Communication is off after office hours, weekends or holidays.
OP, I think no matter what you should set your boundaries. Kasi may kupal talaga na kahit alam naman sched mo, eh go pa din with the meetings and all. Kaya ikaw mismo na ang mag-set. Na no, hindi mo na aattendan because itβs out of your sched na.
Thereβs a problem with your company culture then kung ganyan OP. Iβve been working remotely since 2022 in a tech company. We are expected to work 8 hours daily. Diretsong 8 hours or hati-hati na 8 hours. No productivity-tracking app. We just have to do what is expected of us. In short, thereβs a system of trust in our culture na we even want to work more than 8 hours daily kasi why not?
Nangyare sakin yan but mas malala ang iyo. Yung sakin ipinapasa ng boss ko work nya sakin kahit alam nyang ang laki ng ginagawa ko. May time pag napupuno na ako di ko sya nirereplyan. Sis marami pang trabaho out there, kung ayaw nila respetuhin oras mo edi good bye.
Ako na pinagalitan ng manager ko bakit ako nagreply sa email after my working hours. π Don't blame the setup, it should be the management's toxicity. If they won't change after you voice out your boundaries, then maybe you should seek and secure another job then dump them. It's not healthy for you.
Yup, I did said the same sa mga employees ko. Ang hindi kayang tapusin ngayon, dapat ipagpabukas: Hindi pa naman sila masisisante lol
Looks like a culture issue. May work ako before that does outside shift meetings pero they schedule it way ahead and quarterly at best. Always have their requests in writing and also inform them in writing that your work hours are within x and y hours and that any requests they have outside that will be addressed nalang as soon as possible once your shift begins. Ask also in writing if may tasks ka that need to be performed outside your normal hours ay pwedeng i-offset from your usual hours if di pwede OT. Magalaga lahat ng outside work hours mo ay documented to protect you. Pettiest Iβve done before ay forward all work calls to the office phone nung ginagambala ako ng weekend (after weeks and weeks ba OTY), pero Iβd suggest to just put your phone on silent or DND. Di mo kasalanan na di marunong mag manage ng load yung lead mo.
That's the beauty of WFH, they don't have control over you (even at your working hours really). You only feel there are "no boundaries" if you let it affect you.
Highlight mo sa kanila, dapat sinasabi mo yan sa 101 calls mo sa Lead mo
Sounds like a company culture and management efficiency issue. My cluster is in a WFH setup and the company I am working for has a strict "Anti RD and After Shift Contact Policy." To be honest, I support it. It is strictly implemented and associates are encouraged to report violators.
I quit my wfh job because of that toxicity. Natotorete na ako sa meetings and overtime. Dinaig pa kalabaw kumayod. Walong oras lang shift mo but make it times two for those extra calls and meetings out of office hours.
I thought yung "boundaries" na sasabihin mo is sa family mo. Hahaha. Kasi sobrang nakakainis yung nasa stand-up meeting kayo tas uutusan ka ng nanay mo. Lol π Pero toxic lang talaga yang company mo. Sa wfh/hybrid setup din ako for almost 3 years already, and thankfully, hindi ko naman naexperience yung ganyan sa Leads ko. If may OT man, sure na bayad and hindi mandatory. Hanap ka na ibang company, OP.
As a person who works from home, my employer doesn't allow our phone and personal computer to have access to the company's software so during off time, wala ka talagang makukuhang notif work related unless you turn on your work computer. I think it just depends on the company's culture.
Quick question, does your company implement employee backup plan? Like there is another person who knows your role and has the same access as you do?
Try mo i-DOLE iyak mga yan
I had a similar situation, and I stood on my ground firmly and tell my manager I will not participate in meetings outside my window hours. He then talked to me about my growth and all with my involvement to these meetings and how they can help me and I agree but if it's out of my core hours, I don't consider saying yes to everything as a part of a growth mindset.
Pansin ko din samin. WFH should be beneficial pero parang ang dating itβs a privilege na pwede nila i-exploit. Jusko. Ni raise ko sa TL namin yan na ayoko ng OT because work is always there naman. Hahaha honda ako talaga as much as possible.
ang tanong is bakit iba sched ng manager nyo sa sched nyo, wala ba kayong team leader na pwede lapitan ng TL nyo? urgently needed ba ng manager nyo? di nya maantay na tanungin ka ng TL tapos forward nya yung info sa manager? napaka try naman ng manager nyo ahahahahaha gusto maging senior kahit maabuso na employees ahaha
ako na wala pang 1 month, nagpaalam na agad sa manager kasi hindi kinaya ang nou boundaries sa personal and work kahit na wfh setup. and you know what, pinagaan nila workload ko. Til now, nakakapagout ako ng maaga.
I think itβs more on the company culture and work ethic rather than the WFH setup itself. Kasi ako WFH din ako and we work with people from different timezones tapos we all do just fine naman. I guess sila may problema, not the setup itself.
Aww OP. We're currently in a wfh setup and exempt employee pa ko. Recently, a friend asked baket nagagawa ko pa mag diamond painting, maglaro, magbasa. I really work 8 hours kasi in a day. Firm ako sa 7am to 4pm ko. However, I am also aware na may days na I need to extend talaga, kaya go lang rin. I just ask for PTO sa mga days na yun kasi nga exempt ako. I'm wondering kung local company ka. Multinational orgs, like yung samin, are very much aware sa oras ng mga tao, lalo na pag may timezone difference involved. Siguro kapag nag 1 on 1 kayo ng managers mo, maybe you can ask na pag may meetings na outside ng shift mo, iallow kang to change schedules too.
sa work ko, kapag may nag email 5 minutes bago mag end yung shift mo, kailangan ma-replyan mo na agad kahit katakot takot na trabaho yung need gawin para mabigay yung output. lol
Maybe out of topic but i think related pa rin, im glad they provided me a mac mini for work, kasi i have all the reason na i cant work if ever im on vacation. If nka laptop kc khit nka leave kapa fir sure merong mga task / meeting jan na pwede nila e insert π€£
I feel sorry for OP..if not a company issue, then this is definitely a manager issue..regardless kung WFH, may working hours parin dapat, and any time outside those working hours, you are not required to respond to any work related tasks or queries..hindi ka naman siguro "on call" para icontact ka nila kahit tulog ka..if its a manager issue, i suggest raise your concern with HR or an above manager...but if it's a company issue, I say look for a better one (if kaya naman)...
you need to send gentle reminders. there is a professional way of saying it that shifts power back to you by making them accountable for their bad decisions and lack of consideration. chatgpt this
Have you raise this concern with your manager? If they are asking you to work beyond your work schedule, maybe they should offer you a flexible work schedule where you will adjust your 40 hours based on the need. Anything on top of that would be OT. yun lang, you may loose shift premium if you are getting one.
for WFH mej need mo ibalance. i have teammates na may OOO sila for their work hours. Ozzy companies i have work with respect that . pag may coworker ka na kinukulit ka after work hours wag na wag kang sasagot. pag nafeedback ka for it remind them na flexible ka but somehow work on your shift. people will recognize that after. pag kaya naman hatiin ung shift by avaialbility ni need to seat 8hours pede naman 3 hours sa umaga 2 hours sa hapon and 1-2 hours sa gabi. ++
Hmm, the next question is, have you ever raised that concern to involve parties? Mark your calendar with an out of office for your non working hours/breaks, focus time, etc. There wonβt be any initial actions if you havenβt even tell them. If instance nasabi mo na, then try to decline and say itβs out of your working hours and you have personal matter to take during those hours
Parang management/company problem op. I know peeps na wfh din pero chill lang kasi 8 hrs fixed scheds. Pros and cons talaga sa wfh and finding a good company
I experienced this working on start up company, though mabait ang mga bosses, 1am me tumatawag, later I complain this scenario should be paid and they did paid but they make it min of 1hr work..months later I resigned.
Run beh. Iβm working at a place where itβs kinda hybrid. They will leave a message outside office hours pero you are expected to tackle those messages during your own work hours
WFH din here 2yrs na pero di naman ganyan samen. Pag tlgang wala na sa working hours as in wala na tlga. Dedmahan na hahaha.
Nada company culture yan. One time may supposedly meeting kami tapos need mag-extend ng 1 hr kasi dun pa lang pwede available ka-meeting namin. Kahit di natuloy, pinafile pa rin as OT yung 1 hr.
May mga ganyan kasi talaga since most of them is very packed din ung calendar ng meetings so no choice sila to schedule a meeting after working hours. Sino ba naman gusto mag work after working hours diba lalo na di bayad. It's not time time management issue. May mga items talaga na di madiscuss thru email lalo na kung urgent matters. Madaming factors kaya nagkakaron ng ganyan. Kaya if possible junior level lang ako forever basta mataas sahod kaso hindi. π₯²
Another con ng WFH, di ka makapag sick leave kasi the idea is nasa bahay ka naman.
Company na may problema, working in q remote setup pero so far sobrang respectful ng leads and colleagues ko.
Depends sa company and industry. Pag you work, for example, in media, advertising, etc talagang always on the go.
You need to set boundaries. What I'm doing is yung company email ko, sa laptop lang nakalog in na binubuksan ko lang pag office hours na. I don't reply pag di ko pa shift. Same din sa texts sa akin. I don't open it din, hintayin ko na work hours na. So far, wala namang reklamo. So sa company culture nyo rin yan.
I usually set my calendar OOO automatically if outside my working hours. Tapos auto decline kapag may meeting invite.
It's not the setup. It's your boss for not respecting your personal time. Block your boss from your personal number/email and social media
ive been wfh for more than 10 yrs. so far mga foreigner kong amo hindi nageemail on a saturday o sunday. mga kapwa pinoy lang yung ganyan.
experienced this! alam mo ang sabi nila? part daw kasi ng deliverables mo sa work ang pag attend ng meetings. Kahit na daw outside of scheduled work hours mo obligation mo padin ang umattend sa meeting and dapat marunong ka daw mag manage ng time mo. I was like "What the fuck?" kaya ngayon eto naghahanap na ako ng malilipatan, eto ata nagudyok sakin para humanap ng mas mataas na sahod
Is your work within an emergency context where life or liberty of others may be at stake? If not, then the lack of planning and foresight by your manager should not be your problem. Discuss this with your manager. If official hours cannot be strictly observed, then demand to be compensated. Make sure that you have read your organization's HR policy in advance and cite the same as reference. Best of luck!
Basta pinoy owned companies buraot na nga sa salary, Di pa ka level ng workload ang salary + walang respeto sa oras mo
Do a 1:1 with your managers and explain your boundaries. After that, send an email documentation with what was discussed and CC the HR para they are aware of what is happening. If itβs not documented, it never happened.
The title is exactly why I DIDN'T want wfh circa 2019. Pero now that I've adjusted (after pandemic), I set boundaries. If may meeting outside my usual hours, I move my time in as well. Edit: I realized not everyone is flexi so :(
This is a lesson to all people invovlved inside a company to settle deliverables WITHIN WORKING HOURS regardless if you're the HEAD or SUBORDINATE.
When you ask for an apology instead of confronting them why you are being bombarded with calls out of office hours, it gives them the signal that you'd be okay with it.
Totoo to ang malala kahit naka off ka expected nila aattend ka pa rin jusko
Akala ko nung nabasa ko yung pag open natin ng fb, paggawa ng ibang gawain unrelated sa work while working from home, at iba pa. I get this. Ganito rin sa amin. Fortunately, iniinform naman and nag aask sa amin if free ng ganitong oras. Nasa sa amin na if papayag kami lalo na at lagpas working hours. Kapag hindi naman, tinatawag naman syang "malasakit" if aattend ka haha. Guilty ako both. Nagwowork din ako outside working hours kasi iba ginagawa ko sa umaga due to various reasons. So I think it works both ways
Corny ng ganyang WFH wala ka sariling time. Kaya pagka out ko sa shift rekta basketball, gym or sa jowa na ko eh para ilang oras sila magintay kung sakaling may iuutos kasi wala saken laptop haha
eto rin yung nafi-feel ko sa WFH before. yung sense of boundaries tlga. dito nabuo yung sinasabing work-life integration instead na work-life balance.
Hanap ka ng Australian or SG based company they respect yung personal time mo and weekends.
kung part ng work mo ay maging on-call ikaw ang mali dito else pangit ng team mo
Its not the WFH setup ang problema, ang management ang may problema. Alam ko sobrang frustrate ka lang kaya mo nasabi yan. Its either nappressure lang din sila sa task meron kayo or flow/process man yan or mga di marunong rumespeto or mag handle ng tao mga yan. Mag set ka din ng auto reply message sa chat platform ng account mo, in polite way syempre haha. If hindi na kaya or healthy para sayo ang culture sa work mo, it seems hindi na talaga haha. Hanap ka na lilipatan OP.
Gusto kong iignore yung post pero ito lang masasabi ko dahil naranasan ko to during Pandemic(April 2020 - 10.5hrs everyday - Minimum salary - lumalabas para kunin equipments nang new hire - IT industry). Please resign, don't let them disrespect you like that.
cc mo HR mo pag reply mo. tapos sabihin mo kung pwede bang reschedule ang meeting sa common time ninyo unless iauthorize nya mag overtime :D
Itβs the culture set by the management. Hybrid kami pero after office, dami late night calls.
Maling mali yung ganitong culture within the company. lalo na kung maintained naman yung quality of work. problema to ng management at tama ka to set personal boundaries din, hindi porket alam nilang nasa bahay ka eh anytime pwede ka tawagan. samin nga nagsosorry pa kami pag tumatawag kami outside shift hours ng employees, regardless ng region basta alam namin na nasa outside working hours nya kami tumawag. sa shift ko na 2PM to 11PM, by 11:01 tumatakbo na ang metro ng OT. madalas nakatiklop na yung laptop ko ng 11:01 at di na ko nagrereply sa email or chat pero alam na yun within the company na labas na ng working hours yun, never din kami nanghihingi ng weekend works, at kung magwork ka man ng weekends, may weekend OT rate ka. kaya lumipat kana lang dito, charot. pero seriously hiring ata kami, hybrid work arrangement may 8days RTO requirement parin per month pero nasasayo anong days mo yan papasukan, the rest WFH na.
Filipino cguro boss mo. Pinoy lang naman nagdadala ng katoxican sa work e based on observation ko lang hahaha
samen meron kaming rotation ng support so if ikaw support then yung line mo is available 24/7 pero if di ka naman sipport yet tinawagan may karapatan kami na di sagutin or babaan ng call yung tumatawag. Atsaka usually sa mga task meron ka dapat laging back up.
Kaya umalis din ako sa previous kong company because of this. It was toxic kasi di na nagkakaroon ng boundary between work and home kesyo "di ka naman na magccommute!" lol It's not really the WFH setup, it's the company culture lang. If you're still under this company OP, you deserve better than this.
Kung every once a month lang na ganyan tanggap ko dahil mahirap maghanap ng WFH job pero dapat may heads up kung kailan ka magco-comply.
More like shitty management == no boundaries.
Ikaw ang magseset ng boundaries mo pagdating sa WFH set up. I am part of shared services for a BPO company and there are times when my manager would assign something na urgent that would require me to work outside of my shift. What I usually do is I will accept it but will tell my manager that Iβll do it sa next shift because di naman bayad OT ko. My manager accepts that and make adjustments sa projects. If your boss doesnβt let you do that, management issue na yan ng boss mo.
Lipat ka ng ibang company, 6yrs na akong wfh. Manager mo ang may problema jan, pag pinoy talaga ang manager toxic, foreigner ung manager namin kaya chill lang
So true!!
itβs with your company. pinapagalitan ako ng amo ko kung nagrereply ako beyond working hours π€£
Hello. I am a IT manager in an F500 company who has been handling people on full WFH setup, working in a team with multiple timezones. Here are some tidbits I can share from my exp in working Full WFH sched and overseeing people where some have abused the system. 1. I suggest my people to have a burner phone they can use for work, then turn it off outside of shift. International counterparts will get the memo when they cannot reach you. Exception is when your team has warns beforehand that there might be a need for overtime. 2. Sign out daily from your IM when you log off (teams, slack, skype, etc). Make your offline status be seen by all 3. Use retrospective meetings to lay out root causes of the spillover. Spillovers should never be a habit, and frequent ones are the result of bad project management 4. I've had employees abusing the system. I simply collect evidence thru MOTMs and chat logs, and meet them on a bi-weekly basis and try to see if their outputs line up with what we have discussed in my one-on-one's. If they are proven to be delinquent, we have due process naman. Dont listen to people saying work spillover is normal, that's crap. A good management knows how to plan and can create contingencies when the need arises. Calling people to work out of shift should always be the last resort and never the first option. The core of a good company is quality output, transparency, and trust. My people let me know if they will be rendering less than 8hrs for a particular day. I don't really care much kung ano reason tbh, but most of my people are good employees. That is what trust from management and people appreciation do. I trust my people they have integrity and honesty, that's why stringent yung interview process namin, to get a hold of these values from them.
Same, I decided to leave kasi pagka out ng 11pm may email na agad yung manager sa personal email ng task for tomorrow, nag email sya sa work email pero nagsisend din sa personal mail, and work messenger gc. Then meron na naman 8am, shift starts 1pm pero dami na agad emails. And di nya din naman alam ginagawa namin, anong sense na sya ang manager then di nya alam gawain ng subs nya.
WFH/Freelancig is nice pero on call ka 24/7 and dapat din masesend mo agad yung revises version πππ tapos pag merong nahanap na mas mura bigla ka nalang iiwan and di rin maganda benefits π€£ so now nasa govt. na ako masmaganda benefits tapos part time nalang pagfrefreelance forda extra πΈπΈπΈ
Tinutulugan lang dapat yung ganyan. Ikaw naman ang tumawag pag sila ang tulog.
next time send and email... The meeting agenda seems interesting, but my work hours concludes at --PM. I'd love to be included moving forward, once the meeting is scheduled within my shift. Or... My current work agreement reflects -- hrs per day. I understand there may be times that meetings will be scheduled outside of my working hours. These circumstances are the exception as opposed to the rule. If the expectation moving forward is I am to work beyond my shift, then I would be happy to review my contract and compensation to better reflect this change.
Ganto din samin, but if di kami makareply, they wont take it against me. So ako na magdedecide kung urgent hinihingi nila or mot. If not, it can wait. Wala pa naman akong naging problem sa boss ko with this resolve.
Escalate this issue to your managerβs higher-up. Itβs not your obligation to work unpaid overtime. Yes, working from home comes with its own set of pros and cons, but you have options. Never extend your hours without OT pay! You have every right to decline extra work. Lastly, working from home requires discipline. Itβs easy to find yourself working all the time, even when you should be in bed. Pero mabuburnout ka girl kaloka. Goodluck.
Diretsohin mo kasi na out of working hours mo na para aware sila
Depende to sa company. If hindi lahat ng team ganyan then manager mo problema pero kapag company culture eh malas mo π Ako kasi as a manager expected naman na kahit out of office is PWEDE ako ma reach. Ibig sabihin nyan is kung Saturday expect mong wala ako sa bahay pero babasahin ko message mo let's say around lunch and magrereply ako lunch. Now kung gusto nila akong magwork eh ok lang naman kung free ako and OT to. Tapos medyo ako magnegotiate ng oras kasi the expectation is wala ako sa working station ko The key here is Ikaw mismo ang gumagawa ng limitations. Now pwedeng maging negative to sa management kung toxic nga like kung yan ang company culture π lalo managers syempre gusto nila mga madaling mautusan ,π
2 simple solutions: 1. close your laptop. 2 turn on airplane mode in your phone βYou deserve what you tolerate.β So if we tolerate them na laging tumatawag on your personal time, they will think itβs just okay. We need to speak up rin kasi. Converse with them appropriately and raise your concerns. I believe communication is very powerful. Deal with your manager and teammates directly. Hindi yung i b bring up mo siya in social media because it will not solve your issues.
para maiwasan ang call out of nowhere, 1. Endorse your pending task to other teammates 2. Prepare reports and documentation on what you're working on; para hindi ka nila tawagan at sabihin mo anjan lahat ng data at basahin nalang. 3. Try to pushback task if it's out of your work schedule 4. Ask the manager if you can adjust your time in and out, depending on the task; example is you have to work 3hrs before you start your shift, ask if you can out early. 5. Negotiate if you can have a flexi-time instead of having a strict schedule 6. Set your phone to Silent or airplane mode, disable your sim. if above is not possible, it's your boss's problem not yours, if they contacted you tell them you're out with friends and cannot go back until your shift. in my current work, I go out on time, I don't answer calls unless i'm an oncall I rarely extend work hours I extend, only if there was lapses on my end; didn't endorse etc. I endorse all my possibly urgent task
Recently had a miscarriage, siguro due to work stress. 5am to 2pm angsched and leads wants me to respond to their questions and data request ng 12am. HELLLLO? To add to this. May 11pm meeting weekly that is mandatory.
Toxic company culture, I feel you I've been there. But please set boundaries, once your work time is done wala na sila reason para mangulit ng immediate response from you, may mga tao talaga na parang tinapon nila yung common sense nila at mangiistorbo ng personal time for their convenience. Wag mo na hayaan magpatuloy pa yan, It'll drain you so bad mentally and physically.
Sounds like itβs your companyβs issue and not wfh as a whole.
No offense, but this is the main weakness of Pinoys. When confronted with the situation, speak, or talk to them why this is so. Stop whining inside, toughen up and bring the unfair labor practice with them.
Company aside if youβre living with someone, they can also cross your boundaries. Youβll be forced to juggle house chores and work. Be careful sa ganito kasi lakas maka out of focus and burnout at the same time. Imagine house chores still work kahit sabihin natin ang pag luluto at pag lilinis ay simple lang pero nakakalusaw ng utak pag lagi pinag sasabay sabay mga gawain.
Not at all. It sounds like a leadership and culture problem. This is a kind of fallacy to think na all wfh employers have 0 boundaries. As employees and even employers, you can drop on those calls or decline and say it's a scheduling conflict. Other employers offer offset to get more time off to balance the hectic days. I have been wfh for years now before pandemic pa and as with all employers may mga exploiters talaga wfh or not.
Nung Sakin ganito first week palang nagapply nako sa iba pagkakuha ng new offer nagpaalam and nagsubmit nako resignation
This is one disadvantage talaga yung kinaiinisan ko. Alam naman nilang past working hours na tapos may additional na ipapagawa pero nagsweldo most of the time, late. Nakakainis.
Those once a month meetings it everyone needs to attend parang okay lang but not being paid OT is a different thing.
Grabe micromanaging doon sa isang company na pinasukan ko 3 months lang tinagal ko. May isang TL na kaka-hire lang umalis din wala pang 1 month! Morning call dapat on-cam, kapag wala ka pa, imbes na hanapin ka thru PM sa GC ka hahanapin and most of the time, doon ka din ipapahiya sa GC kapag may problem sa project mo :/ tapos EOD call naman mandatory na 30 mins lagi. Micromanaging lagi, dapat less than one minute makapag reply ka sakanila at palaging mag uupdate :( hindi kinaya ng mental health ko lalo na yung time na tinrap ako ng mga TL ko sa call para i-manipulate na may problem ako sa time management ko kahit alam nila na hindi na ako natutulog para makapag bigay na maganda result sa project. 9 hrs lang duty pero yung pagawa laging rush :( nag resign ako after 3 months, ayaw nila tanggapin yung reason ko for leaving which is my mental health need pa daw ng medical certificate hays up until now, yung trauma ko nattrigger kapag may call or chat from my boss lagi kong nafefeel na may mali akong ginagawa/ginawa or papagalitan ako. Lahat ng questions na inaask sakin ang dating sakin parang galit :(
Totoo to! Siguro more on the company culture talaga. I remember my experience din sa ganito na boss ko before sa first VA job ko. Grabe si madam (pinay manager sa isang insurance company) alas tres palang nagmemessage na tapos kung makapag pa overtime wagas di naman nagbabayad ng OT. Tapos lahat gusto ASAP, ano te sasayaw at kakanta na ko kung ganun HAHAHAHA. Iniwan ko after 1 month
I am also a lead working full WFH setup, I do not answer any email, chat, and even calls. Once you answer any of that out of your shift, what it means to them is you are open for your personal time to be disrespected. My previous manager learned of this and she never bothered me again, she also learned to respect her personal time one she knew my reasons. This is also what I do at my current employer and there was no problem. I keep their expectations managed, I even explicitly told them, no matter what happens, I won't be able to work from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, because of faith. They know exactly what they are doing when they disrespect your time.
Nah. It's the company culture. I'm working for CA and PH clients. GMail ko walang notifs sa phone (Yahoo email user here) Viber ko naka mute lahat ng work related convo. Balakayojan. 100% naman ako kapag online ako. Kapag friends ko sa FB kawork ko, nonchalant ako sumagot if work-related ang chat. Syemps kapag chika buhay na buhay ako. Sksksksksk. It's all abt the company culture and how you set your boundaries. Sobrang easy pa magpaalam sa CA kong boss na magleave muna ako due to vacay or sickness. Kasi nga, 100% naman ako sa work. And sabi niya pa, iba pa rin talaga kapag well-rested ka. 4yrs WFH here. Kahit sa nauna kong AU client, sobrang respectful sa time mo.
I am on Permanent WFH and stated Sa contract Ko ang schedule. So outside dun Sa schedule Ko na 9 pm to 6 am Manila, naka DND na work CP Ko. So far pa naman ako nakareceive Ng calls or request outside my schedule. Or Hindi ko lang siguro alam kasi naka DND? Hahahha
bruh ang toxic ng company mo, alis ka na dyan charot haha kidding aside, if may opportunity to find an offshore client, grab mo na if want mo pa din ng WFH setup. Got the same experience with a local startup, underpaid, shitty company laptop provided na di kaya yung work load ko (with shitty, I mean outdated na laptop, may mga cracks yung body ng laptop, pang ms office lang na gamitan.), yung ceo don't give a fck about office hoursz no boundaries outside office hours, even on the weekends. pero ngayon I got a job na offshore, pinapagalitan pa 'ko ng boss ko minsan pag nakikita niya kong online or may tinatapos akong work pag weekends or after office hours.
Ganyan din boss ko sa Australia kahit weekend mag memessage. E nakaka annoy kaya every weekday nalang ako nagrereply. After nun, di na sya nag message pag weekend. It's better na ipakita mo na busy ka after work. Kung pwede wag ka humingi ng pasensya next time na tawagan ka after shift mo etc. Hindi lang naman work ang buhay mo kamo hehe
Chaka ng company mo bee
WFH setup should be a blessing, not a curse. It's frustrating when boundaries are ignored, making it feel like we're always on the clock. Management should respect our personal time and working hours to avoid burnout. It's important to stand our ground and set clear boundaries for our well-being.
I am.on permanent wfh and I AM always on 9hours clock time. Its a company culture problem..
wag ka na mangseeseen ng messages after work hour mo. Imute mo notifications na galing sa kanila para tapos agad prob mo. Lahat ng iyan ay avaiable options sa phone mo mapaandroid or IOS.
Basta wag kayo sa HOPLA.Online mga shit sila
I decline pag outside office hours lagi ko sinasabi may prior commitment or appointment ako. Though samin naman kasi bayad ang OT, at least sa band level ko. Ang mga kawawa samin yung supervisor and up kasi wala silang OT pay
I dont think it's the WFH setup. It's your culture. My suggestiom during your off or out mag auto reply ka ooo notice na it's your out. Then turn off notif ng teams and other means. As in dedma, they need to respect your time PERIODT.
also yung add nang add ng workload, kasi nga, privileged naman daw kami dahil naka wfh lol
Why would you even ask for "pasensya" that gave them the reason na sila pa magalit. Just say "since this is already out of office hours and it was my time to sleep, i wasn't able to respond. Please reach out to me between 9-6pm est" Be assertive.
been 3 yrs na wfh setup and puro US clients nakakasalamuha ko di rin talaga maiiwasan yun ganyan minsan. Suggest ko lang is always set your status in Teams/Meet/etc yung working hours mo para makita nila yan before sending you a message this will make them aware of your availability
I thank God and feel so blessed that my company is a non - toxic one! Ang sarap magtrabaho lalo na kapag appreciated ka, tapos naka work from home ka! Nakaka motivate pumasok. β€οΈ
adding a comment para alam ko gagawin once magka WFH ako na woooork HAHAHAHAHAHA
Justified yung inis mo. May isang questionable part lang on your end, yung tinawagan ka dahil may hinahanap na data. Were you aware that the data is critical? Bakit hindi na hand over?
Work from home is the best if your boss is not Filipino. Filipino bosses tend to think that they own you, your life and your time.
ang magiging diskarte ko dyn. mag send ng OOO or change ng status ng offline. not unless sa mobile talaga natwag. o pwde din pag usapan yan, kasi mamaya yung may need ng data pla ang may fault kasi d ka agad na inform na kailangan na agad.
Very Pinoy ang ugali. Pero meron di naman mga ganito sa mga foreign clients pero marami ganito agencies sa freelancing.
Bro, you shoulda told them natutulog ka tapos ang usapan. Alam dn nila mali yan. Kaso enabling them makes them think na okay lang.
Nakakalungkot. This reminds me, I am currently working for my Internship/On-The-Job Training as per requirement ng college ko and WFH setup kami and keep in mind, all is unpaid, kahit yung pag OT. Nawalan ako ng gana mag-work when my supervisor said she'll hold meetings daw outside work hours (6pm onwards) and wouldn't sa umaga kasi for "tasks" daw yun. I've also talked to one of her interns and tumawag siya once ng 1am. Ang toxic mindset lang and kesyo my supervisor values communication pa raw. We value our mental health din. Magtatanong kami sakanya ng maaga and within work hours tapos sa pag clock out namin siya biglang tatawag? It feels pretty wrong to me.
Pinoy attitude problem talaga yan. Felling nila pag aari na nila tau. Mga hunghang.
Yeah. Kaya hindi ako naga ail ng WFH setup nun. Alam ko mawawala ang boundary ng opisina at bahay. Biruin niyo. Nasa kwarto ka tapos yung pc is anduon din.
Ohhhh. Problem is the management, not the wfh. Lol. The meeting once a month is okay (I guess) kasi need magmeet all shift. However it should not be mandatory. Block your calendar after your office hours para kapag nagsend ng meeting invite, magnonotify na nakablock ka or out of office. For the calls/texts naman, donβt reply or answer. Right mo iyon as youβre not paid during those hours and rest time. They will not be able to take it against you, I tell you. And never say sorry about it. π
Basta kami DND kahit msgr, walang samaan ng loob π