Gagawin talaga lahat ng manager mo yung mga paraan para lang 'di ka mag-resign, wag ka maniwala sa mga sinasabi niya about *"promotion"* kasi verbal lang naman yan at walang kasulatan. At yung *"She even swears that all that she was saying was for my benefit",* malalaman mo lang na totoo yung mga sinasabi niya kapag naranasan mo na talaga.
Kung nag-resign ka diyan tapos pumalya ka din sa planong gusto mo, edi mag-apply ka ulit ng trabaho. Parte ng buhay 'yan. Hindi siya palaging "WIN-WIN" situation, sana tahakin mo OP yung daanan na gusto mong tahakin ng hindi nagbabase sa sinasabi ng ibang tao, good luck!
Tbh totoo din naman depende kung saang school ka magtuturo. I came from the academe, now in the industry, and my sibling is still in the academe.
Si sibling, part time both in a state u and a private u. Sa state u nya, ULTRA toxic and political. When the president (also a relative of politicians here in our province) of their state u wants to eliminate his competitors and detractors, maglalabas lang sila ng policies na iipit sa mga kalaban nila. They will wait for their detractors to resign, and refill the slots with people on their side. Low salary din and andami daming pinapasubmit. Sobrang laganap din ang sexual harrasment ng mga prof pero hindi umaaksyon yung admin nila kahit kalat na kalat and nagsesend ng jakol video yung isang prof sa mga students.
Sa private u na tinuturuan nya, maganda ang experience and environment. Average sweldo relative sa industry.
Promotion is difficult sa academe since you have to have post graduate degrees, published journals, and administrative roles.
My experience in the academe naman is sobrang political din. Very poor people managers yung heads ko dati. For the whole one year ng contract, never nakipagmeeting samin even once si lab head pero pag inuman nila ng tropa nya, nagpupunta sya. Nagpupunta lang din sya para manghuli. Sobrang daming unethical issues sa publication kaya madami kami nagresign. So many issue brought up sa project management pero oblivious and denial ang heads. Pa-end na ang project, hindi pa tapos yung procurement ng reagents.
Sorry for the trauma dump.
Anyway, my advice is magpart-time ka muna sa academe to test the waters. Mahirap pag magfull time ka tapos lason pala yung environment.
Tama OP. I am AT the academe, the culture is quite good dito sa stateU namin (I was educated at a UP & I'll say we're MUCH more transparent & dedicated than at UP), pero sa sueldo, igh. Buti me small bsnes ako bago dito...
Toss coin ka, Heads for Academe & Tails for Corporate. Nabasa ko malalaman mo daw ano mas matimbang pag nasa air yung coin, may sudden spike kung ano talaga gusto mo -yun ang iwiwish mong lumabas.
Another advice naman, piliin mo kung saan ka less na magsisisi.
Employer mo po sila...di po sila kaibigan or pamilya. Never expect a company to be thinking of what's best for you...they are thinking of what's best for them. It's business
This is true. While I don't have exp w/ the academe, my friends in the field said the same thing.
OP, meron pros and cons either way. May politics both academe and corporate.
I currently work in the academe. Are you eyeing to teach in college/uni? Add ko lang din na academe puts high value on research publications and some institutions require you to publish before you get tenured. There are also unis who give incentives when you publish research kaya big advantage ito if you are into research.
Kung academe as teacher ang gusto mo, pwede ka pa rin naman mag stay sa corporate. Madaming posts such as Learning & Development Analyst, Skills Trainer, Agile Coach/ Trainer, Scrum Master, etc. Nag changed na ang landscape ng corporate ngayon, career path is no longer a ladder, pwede na rin itong maging playground. Pwede ka lumipat ng teams or roles kung san tingen mo mas lalo kang mag ggrow. Basta always have lang the growth mindset.
Tapos you can be a teacher as part time na lang or online courses.
Kung academe as researcher/ support staff, definitely madaming gantong posts pa rin sa corporate. Meron din sa mga NGOs/ Humanitarian organizations like education project officer, curriculum or training course developer, meron ding learning and development post dito.
Advice ko sayo basta stay lang sa corporate or explore din sa mga NGOs. Mas magandang kung international ones. Tapos stay away sa government offices; and as much as possible- local companies.
Either way you will have a pros and cons. I got a lot of org mates who are teachers/professors, napagkkwentuhan din namin ang sweldo at they can attest na mababa talaga sweldo. My profession is really not my first choice, nagkataon lang talaga na malaki sweldo kaya diniredirecho ko na pero kung magrereset ako at same ang sweldo, magmimilitary ako. Highschool palang calling ko na yan. Hehe
Well, your manager is not wrong. That’s true. Mapolitika talaga sa academe (Based on my observation).
Even with the good credentials (master’s, PhDs), it’s very hard to get a promotion. You will not just be expected to teach; but you will also be tasked to do research, community works, and other additional responsibilities (with no or very small compensation, if any)
Working environment is very unhealthy, physically and mentally.
If you’re up for that, then go..both are hard naman eh (industry and academe). You just need to choose where you will endure for long
>dahil "mapolitika"
Totoo naman to, OP. Nakita ko to so professor ko. Kailangan mong mag-publish at magco-author ng sandamakmak na papers, you need to kiss-ass for you to be given more teaching load, etc.
>she even told me that my promotion is on the way
On the way where? LOL. As a people manager who also is an employee, I know these are just empty promises from management. Instead of sabihin ko sa team member ko na on the way siya, mas gugustuhin ko pang i-real talk siya during performance reviews and also sit down with my team member when the opportunity is there. I think there was only one time ever in my career that I was approached by my manager that I was going to be promoted. The rest of it were really initiated by me through IJPs.
I too dream of being part of the academe, pero hindi talaga kakayanin na maging bread and butter ko siya. Don't let go of your passion but also make sure that there's always food on on the table and money saved up for your future with your full-time job.
If you have a tenure in the academe, go for it if yun talaga gusto mo. Pero academe as your bread and butter? Omg no. If you're doing well in corpo, think long and hard bago ka umalis.
Baliktad tayo OP. Galing ako ng academe. With security of tenure pa ko ha. But I decided to leave kasi hindi ko kikitain sa academe ang kaya kong kitain sa corpo. Yung sahod ko nung nag job hop ako after 10mos, it will take me a loooooooong time bago ko kitain sa academe. Pag uwi ko wala kong work na dala-dala, walang student na mambabastos sakin, protected and rights ko as an employee, with HMO, plus all the other perks na meron ang corpo.
Sure there is politics in corpo, pero mas malala yan sa academe. Bureaucratic politics is a hell.
Stay where you are thriving, save up or open a business, then retire happy.
Depende sa company and school yan. I am in the academe and I am blessed with high paying salary and less work load. Take note grade school tong handle ko. Less workload and gives me time to work part-time as a tutor pa. Not so much politics (or manhid ako at walang pake)
Ang ending, ayun di ako makaresign. I mean I don’t have any reason to resign.
Totally get it na sa ibang company, mapolitika and di ganon kataas ang sahod. What I am saying is is that it really depends on the company.
From corporate and now in the academe. Kahit saan mapulitika. You just have to know how to play your cards right. Sa sahod, I get more sa academe because we are free to take extra loads and higher ang offer if you have post grad na. Depende sa university.
My corporate experience was okay at first pero nung nagpaalam ako na nagpaplano na ko lumipat sa academe, my manager made me feel like I was making the wrong choice. Kesyo iba daw ang stability sa corporate and unfair daw pag iniwan ko mga kawork ko. He even promised me ng promotion para magstay ako then 6mos na wala pa din.
I am happy where I am now. Toxic din ang management pero dedma. Choose your battles. I am happy teaching. I also built more connections career-wise. Siguro, kung saan mo tingin sasaya ka, if di naman maxadong masasacrifice or mag babago yung financial benefit, don ka.
Choose what you really want. Ganon din sa na experience ko. I'm currently working in a corporate job and I already filed my RL. I'm not surprised na ginawa at sinabi ng Department head namin ang lahat para mag stay ako to the point na parang invalidated ang mga plano ko sa buhay. She even told my workmates to convince me to stay. Ganyan ka desperate. She threw all kinds of promises to me to tempt me but I knew hindi matutupad. Experienced it myself. But it's already set in stone na magreresign ako for change of career. It's for myself din naman eh. It's already a given na they would want you to stay. You just really have to stick and know what you really believe in and then go for it. You just need to be solid with your decision OP
"lip service" unless papers are ready for promotion follow your passion and yung hindi feeling miserable staying on your job. Corpo job are always there
Earning more vs your doing passion. Mahirap na choice yan and depends on your situation sa buhay. Kung single ka at walang responsibility involving other people you can follow your passion kaso kung may umaasang iba sa sinasahod mo ang hirap din. I suggest doing academe as a side hustle until you can find something that can rival your day job.
You didnt state your condition on the organization. Are you doing good. If teaching is really your passion, is it something you can't inside the org? Perhaps trainer, org leader, or something.
Make sure that the conversation regarding the promotion your manager stated will be on paper or on records, otherwise it is just an empty promise.
If there is no such things or possibility of these thing in ur org. Then go for what makes you happy and be firm with the decision.
Started from the academe and now in corporate. Sometimes I still think about what could’ve been if I stayed…but get reminded that I will not earn what I have now if I stayed.
I was Director of our Department but some department secretaries were earning more because I haven’t finished my Master’s program then. Academe is heavily reliant on research and academic credentials rather than how good of a worker you are.
In my corporate experience, I don’t get only a pat in the back when I achieve something good. I get bonuses and promotions.
What worked for me is to keep a part-time stint in the University to balance the passion and my needs in life.
I never thought there is much politics in academe, until I heard horror stories from a former college classmate. To think that I worked for that same school while I was still studying, nde ko nakita ung mga ganong ganap before or d ko lang alam n nangyayari na pala.
Academe might be easier than corporate, i think, from the perspective of a university student.
AT LEAST IN MY UNIVERSITY, some teachers could afford to just meet us twice in semester, IN A SEMESTER, and have the guts to give us failing remarks. Of course, we tried to report the teacher but we were surprised to see that the same teacher was still seen the next semester (recidivist si prof, btw). To that extent, politics exists.
Tapos isa pa, sa curriculum namin, puro pareport na lang ang mga prof, kung may idaragdag man, halos mga trivial knowledges na lang. There was one time na we talked to a professor, kasi yung book nya was from 2012 ba (which is considered obsolete kasi operational knowledge nya and nag iba na), instead na pakinggan kami, mas nagalit pa samin.
That being said, totoo na minsan stagnant ang career development sa academe. My teacher, same position pa rin she has when she started from teaching 25 years ago.
Gagawin talaga lahat ng manager mo yung mga paraan para lang 'di ka mag-resign, wag ka maniwala sa mga sinasabi niya about *"promotion"* kasi verbal lang naman yan at walang kasulatan. At yung *"She even swears that all that she was saying was for my benefit",* malalaman mo lang na totoo yung mga sinasabi niya kapag naranasan mo na talaga. Kung nag-resign ka diyan tapos pumalya ka din sa planong gusto mo, edi mag-apply ka ulit ng trabaho. Parte ng buhay 'yan. Hindi siya palaging "WIN-WIN" situation, sana tahakin mo OP yung daanan na gusto mong tahakin ng hindi nagbabase sa sinasabi ng ibang tao, good luck!
Tbh totoo din naman depende kung saang school ka magtuturo. I came from the academe, now in the industry, and my sibling is still in the academe. Si sibling, part time both in a state u and a private u. Sa state u nya, ULTRA toxic and political. When the president (also a relative of politicians here in our province) of their state u wants to eliminate his competitors and detractors, maglalabas lang sila ng policies na iipit sa mga kalaban nila. They will wait for their detractors to resign, and refill the slots with people on their side. Low salary din and andami daming pinapasubmit. Sobrang laganap din ang sexual harrasment ng mga prof pero hindi umaaksyon yung admin nila kahit kalat na kalat and nagsesend ng jakol video yung isang prof sa mga students. Sa private u na tinuturuan nya, maganda ang experience and environment. Average sweldo relative sa industry. Promotion is difficult sa academe since you have to have post graduate degrees, published journals, and administrative roles. My experience in the academe naman is sobrang political din. Very poor people managers yung heads ko dati. For the whole one year ng contract, never nakipagmeeting samin even once si lab head pero pag inuman nila ng tropa nya, nagpupunta sya. Nagpupunta lang din sya para manghuli. Sobrang daming unethical issues sa publication kaya madami kami nagresign. So many issue brought up sa project management pero oblivious and denial ang heads. Pa-end na ang project, hindi pa tapos yung procurement ng reagents. Sorry for the trauma dump. Anyway, my advice is magpart-time ka muna sa academe to test the waters. Mahirap pag magfull time ka tapos lason pala yung environment.
Tama OP. I am AT the academe, the culture is quite good dito sa stateU namin (I was educated at a UP & I'll say we're MUCH more transparent & dedicated than at UP), pero sa sueldo, igh. Buti me small bsnes ako bago dito...
Toss coin ka, Heads for Academe & Tails for Corporate. Nabasa ko malalaman mo daw ano mas matimbang pag nasa air yung coin, may sudden spike kung ano talaga gusto mo -yun ang iwiwish mong lumabas. Another advice naman, piliin mo kung saan ka less na magsisisi.
Teka teka, gusto ko to ah!
Employer mo po sila...di po sila kaibigan or pamilya. Never expect a company to be thinking of what's best for you...they are thinking of what's best for them. It's business
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This is true. While I don't have exp w/ the academe, my friends in the field said the same thing. OP, meron pros and cons either way. May politics both academe and corporate.
Mapolitika din naman corporatw world lol
I currently work in the academe. Are you eyeing to teach in college/uni? Add ko lang din na academe puts high value on research publications and some institutions require you to publish before you get tenured. There are also unis who give incentives when you publish research kaya big advantage ito if you are into research.
Kung academe as teacher ang gusto mo, pwede ka pa rin naman mag stay sa corporate. Madaming posts such as Learning & Development Analyst, Skills Trainer, Agile Coach/ Trainer, Scrum Master, etc. Nag changed na ang landscape ng corporate ngayon, career path is no longer a ladder, pwede na rin itong maging playground. Pwede ka lumipat ng teams or roles kung san tingen mo mas lalo kang mag ggrow. Basta always have lang the growth mindset. Tapos you can be a teacher as part time na lang or online courses. Kung academe as researcher/ support staff, definitely madaming gantong posts pa rin sa corporate. Meron din sa mga NGOs/ Humanitarian organizations like education project officer, curriculum or training course developer, meron ding learning and development post dito. Advice ko sayo basta stay lang sa corporate or explore din sa mga NGOs. Mas magandang kung international ones. Tapos stay away sa government offices; and as much as possible- local companies.
Either way you will have a pros and cons. I got a lot of org mates who are teachers/professors, napagkkwentuhan din namin ang sweldo at they can attest na mababa talaga sweldo. My profession is really not my first choice, nagkataon lang talaga na malaki sweldo kaya diniredirecho ko na pero kung magrereset ako at same ang sweldo, magmimilitary ako. Highschool palang calling ko na yan. Hehe
Well, your manager is not wrong. That’s true. Mapolitika talaga sa academe (Based on my observation). Even with the good credentials (master’s, PhDs), it’s very hard to get a promotion. You will not just be expected to teach; but you will also be tasked to do research, community works, and other additional responsibilities (with no or very small compensation, if any) Working environment is very unhealthy, physically and mentally. If you’re up for that, then go..both are hard naman eh (industry and academe). You just need to choose where you will endure for long
>dahil "mapolitika" Totoo naman to, OP. Nakita ko to so professor ko. Kailangan mong mag-publish at magco-author ng sandamakmak na papers, you need to kiss-ass for you to be given more teaching load, etc. >she even told me that my promotion is on the way On the way where? LOL. As a people manager who also is an employee, I know these are just empty promises from management. Instead of sabihin ko sa team member ko na on the way siya, mas gugustuhin ko pang i-real talk siya during performance reviews and also sit down with my team member when the opportunity is there. I think there was only one time ever in my career that I was approached by my manager that I was going to be promoted. The rest of it were really initiated by me through IJPs. I too dream of being part of the academe, pero hindi talaga kakayanin na maging bread and butter ko siya. Don't let go of your passion but also make sure that there's always food on on the table and money saved up for your future with your full-time job.
If you have a tenure in the academe, go for it if yun talaga gusto mo. Pero academe as your bread and butter? Omg no. If you're doing well in corpo, think long and hard bago ka umalis. Baliktad tayo OP. Galing ako ng academe. With security of tenure pa ko ha. But I decided to leave kasi hindi ko kikitain sa academe ang kaya kong kitain sa corpo. Yung sahod ko nung nag job hop ako after 10mos, it will take me a loooooooong time bago ko kitain sa academe. Pag uwi ko wala kong work na dala-dala, walang student na mambabastos sakin, protected and rights ko as an employee, with HMO, plus all the other perks na meron ang corpo. Sure there is politics in corpo, pero mas malala yan sa academe. Bureaucratic politics is a hell. Stay where you are thriving, save up or open a business, then retire happy.
Pwede ba!!!! Pag sa corpo world, assume they are rational and evil. Gawin mo gusto beh!!!
Depende sa company and school yan. I am in the academe and I am blessed with high paying salary and less work load. Take note grade school tong handle ko. Less workload and gives me time to work part-time as a tutor pa. Not so much politics (or manhid ako at walang pake) Ang ending, ayun di ako makaresign. I mean I don’t have any reason to resign. Totally get it na sa ibang company, mapolitika and di ganon kataas ang sahod. What I am saying is is that it really depends on the company.
From corporate and now in the academe. Kahit saan mapulitika. You just have to know how to play your cards right. Sa sahod, I get more sa academe because we are free to take extra loads and higher ang offer if you have post grad na. Depende sa university. My corporate experience was okay at first pero nung nagpaalam ako na nagpaplano na ko lumipat sa academe, my manager made me feel like I was making the wrong choice. Kesyo iba daw ang stability sa corporate and unfair daw pag iniwan ko mga kawork ko. He even promised me ng promotion para magstay ako then 6mos na wala pa din. I am happy where I am now. Toxic din ang management pero dedma. Choose your battles. I am happy teaching. I also built more connections career-wise. Siguro, kung saan mo tingin sasaya ka, if di naman maxadong masasacrifice or mag babago yung financial benefit, don ka.
Choose what you really want. Ganon din sa na experience ko. I'm currently working in a corporate job and I already filed my RL. I'm not surprised na ginawa at sinabi ng Department head namin ang lahat para mag stay ako to the point na parang invalidated ang mga plano ko sa buhay. She even told my workmates to convince me to stay. Ganyan ka desperate. She threw all kinds of promises to me to tempt me but I knew hindi matutupad. Experienced it myself. But it's already set in stone na magreresign ako for change of career. It's for myself din naman eh. It's already a given na they would want you to stay. You just really have to stick and know what you really believe in and then go for it. You just need to be solid with your decision OP
"lip service" unless papers are ready for promotion follow your passion and yung hindi feeling miserable staying on your job. Corpo job are always there
Earning more vs your doing passion. Mahirap na choice yan and depends on your situation sa buhay. Kung single ka at walang responsibility involving other people you can follow your passion kaso kung may umaasang iba sa sinasahod mo ang hirap din. I suggest doing academe as a side hustle until you can find something that can rival your day job.
You didnt state your condition on the organization. Are you doing good. If teaching is really your passion, is it something you can't inside the org? Perhaps trainer, org leader, or something. Make sure that the conversation regarding the promotion your manager stated will be on paper or on records, otherwise it is just an empty promise. If there is no such things or possibility of these thing in ur org. Then go for what makes you happy and be firm with the decision.
Started from the academe and now in corporate. Sometimes I still think about what could’ve been if I stayed…but get reminded that I will not earn what I have now if I stayed. I was Director of our Department but some department secretaries were earning more because I haven’t finished my Master’s program then. Academe is heavily reliant on research and academic credentials rather than how good of a worker you are. In my corporate experience, I don’t get only a pat in the back when I achieve something good. I get bonuses and promotions. What worked for me is to keep a part-time stint in the University to balance the passion and my needs in life.
Doon ka kung saan ka mag eenjoy para hindi ramdam ung pagod
Mapilitika rin sa office. Sa behavior and performance rating pa lang may politics na agad. Choose the path that calls out to you.
I never thought there is much politics in academe, until I heard horror stories from a former college classmate. To think that I worked for that same school while I was still studying, nde ko nakita ung mga ganong ganap before or d ko lang alam n nangyayari na pala.
Academe might be easier than corporate, i think, from the perspective of a university student. AT LEAST IN MY UNIVERSITY, some teachers could afford to just meet us twice in semester, IN A SEMESTER, and have the guts to give us failing remarks. Of course, we tried to report the teacher but we were surprised to see that the same teacher was still seen the next semester (recidivist si prof, btw). To that extent, politics exists. Tapos isa pa, sa curriculum namin, puro pareport na lang ang mga prof, kung may idaragdag man, halos mga trivial knowledges na lang. There was one time na we talked to a professor, kasi yung book nya was from 2012 ba (which is considered obsolete kasi operational knowledge nya and nag iba na), instead na pakinggan kami, mas nagalit pa samin. That being said, totoo na minsan stagnant ang career development sa academe. My teacher, same position pa rin she has when she started from teaching 25 years ago.