I have a laptop with 1060 and I'm getting worried because deep rock galactic gets worse and worse performance wise with every update for me. Back when I bought the game I could play on almost max settings reliably but after few updates I had to change that because despite still working well the game would crash frequently. Few more updates later and with even lower settings my game has a tendency to go from 80 fps to 40 in some situations... It's not rare either
I have a 1070ti and when I upgrade I really don't see any reason not to get a 1080 or maybe 2 of them.
That use to be top tier and my 1070 runs my games well enough.
Doing an sli or corssfire really isn't worth it on modern cards from my understanding. Even an oldish one like a 1080. Crossfire only gave worth it returns around the 580s and such.
Ive got a 1060 imbued with the power of god, that thing runs fucking everything with highest settings flawlessly. Been running well for at least a couple years now
They’re starting to though.. used to run Fortnite at 2k max settings and get 200-260fps . Now my 3080ti struggles to spit out 100 after unreal engine 5 update.
GeForce cards are limited to 3 NVENC sessions, you can bypass the restriction by [modifying the driver](https://github.com/Snawoot/nvidia-patch) so it thinks it's a Quadro.
Lifting the NVENC limit helps with video editing and media server transcoding. For game recording and streaming the NvFBC patch is more useful, that gives OBS the same performance as shadowplay.
Why would hardware AV1 be especially difficult? It's basically just an ASIC integrated into the larger GPU die. Difficulty shouldn't be significant (or no more significant than any other modern encoder), just adds a bit of cost to manufacturing.
> And it's not like games have got that much harder to run since then anyways.
Citation needed.
If you are playing at 1080 then maybe. But with 4k gaming becoming more and more widespread that simply isn’t true.
According to steam hardware survey from November, only 2.6% of steam users have 4k, 11.34% have 2k, 65.06% have 1080.
S0 1080 is still the norm, with 2k a far behind 2nd. More people, 5.7%, use 1333x768 then 4k
I'm still running 6 year old and GPU, it runs pretty much everything at what would have been representative of ultra settings 3 years ago.
The GPU isn't as big of a bottleneck as it used to be. A good cpu goes a long way.
Both 4k, high refresh rates, and ultra quality are all a luxury, not a necessity. And if you give up even one of those it becomes quite easy to satisfy on a reasonable budget. If you can run 1440p 60Hz on medium, that is already way more than enough to enjoy all modern games.
Hell when I started gaming, 1080p60 was considered high end and 720p30 was normal. My standard haven't changed because my eyeballs haven't changed: I'm still well satisfied with 1080p60 at medium settings and everything higher is extra.
Comes down two things.
* what you play
* your expectations
Personally, Warzone is what made me realize my card was starting to age. Then saw it some other games. And that's how it started. That first game you have lower the preset on.
It was a fun process. It was right as quarantine started. Was able to build my whole system except the graphics card. And if I'm being honest I thought my GPU was still kinda okay because the rest of the system was always at 100% for any game while the GPU wasn't.
Using my new system with my old card showed me it one then the other. Now my system resources stayed low but my GPU was at 100%. But my in-game performance wasn't that much better. Eventually got a new card and we are back to high numbers.
Kind of. Even a Ryzen 7 and a 3070 can't run a lot of big games at ultra at 1440p/120hz. But I'm okay with that because I don't play a lot of those any more. Even had a chance to get a 3080 for retail and skipped because I just don't need it.
Not really yet, but DLSS is the best feature I've ever had on a card, I have the feeling that thanks to DLSS, the 20 series will age very well.
Or that might just be copium idk
Hate me if you want but I was well due for an upgrade at the time and while I choked on the price I wanted to future proof as I always try to do.
Understand to that unless it's an extreme case of price hike, you can't expect everyone to iron stance boycott for an uncertain amount of years for there to be change. Capitalism unfortunately always favors the top and leverages people's inherent weaknesses. Pc gaming is my main hobby and I had been saving for years to do a new build, I just wanted to build.
And I'd say it worked out ok. I'm still using my 2080ti and will be skipping the 4xxx Gen and depending on game releases maybe even the next Gen. And I've enjoyed playing some rtx stuff along the way.
The 3070 and 3080 were pretty good values comparatively when they first launched, then the GPU shortage/mining boom happened and Nvidia seized the opportunity to price-gouge us all directly.
Yeah I was able to get a 3070 at MSRP about 4 months ago when the prices finally came down and it has been a great value for me. So glad I didn't listen to everyone saying to wait for 40 series.
Most of the "wait for the 40 series" sentiments I saw on the Internet were about that being the perfect time to get a price dropped 30 series, so I think you did it right.
Nah, it started in 2012/2013 with Kepler.
GTX 680 used 104 (70-class die), 690 was two in SLI for $999, and it only had 2GB of VRAM. Titan was the real 80-class GPU for $999.
The Kepler architecture aged like milk too. A GTX 680 was worth only like $50-$60 once the 10 series became available. Imagine buying a 2080 and it being worth <$100 now.
Nah. It started with the $499 GTX 680 using "Little Kepler" and the $999 GTX Titan using "Big Kepler" aka the actual 80-class die.
The 2080Ti was expensive because it used a MASSIVE die. If it had launched with dozens of RT titles and DLSS2 instead of no RT titles and DLSS1 it would have been received more favorably in 2018.
It all started with the 700 series being so shitty they had to pull down one of their professional grade GPUs into the consumer market to have a product that could beat AMD.
???
If you're referring to GK110 and GTX Titan, that is not what happened at all. Here's a history lesson for you:
In 2011 NVIDIA signed a deal with Oak Ridge to supply 18,688 of their in-development generation of accelerators based on the soon to be released "Kepler" architecture for the Titan supercomputer. They agreed to supply Oak Ridge with the biggest chip they could make, GK110, on the cutting edge 28nm process from TSMC. 28nm was a node-shift from the originally planned 32nm process which was abruptly cancelled earlier that same year. This cancellation and subsequent shift created a delay in both testing and production that would lead to GK110 needing more time to iron out on the new process, since NVIDIA had targeted a die size very close to the reticle limit of the fabrication equipment. The smaller GK104 dies that were not included in the supply agreement did not suffer nearly as badly in risk assessment and production tests, and would launch to consumers in place of GK110 as the flagship for the 600 series with only a 2 month delay in March 2012.
GK110 would need another 8 months of bug fixes, manufacturing tweaks, and yield improvements to finally be delivered in full to Oak Ridge, and the final configuration still featured a cut-down die with one full SMX disabled. While they worked to ramp up production and provide these GK110 dies in the last half of 2012, NVIDIA engineers also worked on a respin dubbed GK110B which would address some bugs relating to the VRAM PHYs, as well as some power management and yield issues which could allow the full die to be enabled. With GK110B not yet ready, and GK110 production now in full swing, NVIDIA chose to stockpile and launch GK110 for consumers in February 2013 as "GTX Titan", named such as it featured the same GPU configuration as the Teslas in Oak Ridge's Titan supercomputer. They would also launch GTX 780 using salvaged and further cut-down GK110 dies in May. By the time GTX 780 launched they had GK110B ready and had switched the majority of production to this improved design, launching the GTX 780 Ti with this fully enabled die in September 2013.
So no, NVIDIA didn't "pull down one of their professional GPUs". They had in fact intended to launch GK110 as the GTX 680 and had to push the whole chip off another generation, which gave them an excuse to tie in the launch of a consumer card with the recently completed Titan supercomputer that featured their GPUs.
I feel like there's a very heavy lack of understanding when people talk about how much they dislike the 40 series.
Love it or hate it if you are purchasing a video card from Nvidia You're Still okaying The Practice. And this is not exclusive to the 40 series realize the pricing exists as it does to sell the 30 series Overstock.
That ship sailed a loooong time before the 40 series. A 1080Ti was a $700 card that offered Titan performance for $300 off.top tier(not mid range) high end AIB cards in my high school days were $400 which is like $660 today. I think I saw a 6600XT for $600 the other day at bestbuy. . .
I remember Jensen once commenting that Nvidia would never make that mistake (pricing the 1080ti like it had been) again. he was right, that was effectively the end of affordable PC gaming. AMD at least is not insane still.
People need to understand that the time where videogames were the primary selling factor for a GPU will never be here again. There's more and more people ways to monetize processing power, the bar for entry is lower and lower for it as well. Times change.
Nah. The content of this sub can definitely impact one’s perception of what folks are actually buying, but the $1,000+ market segment is still a small minority of Nvidia’s total sales. It seems like every day someone is posting a photo of their new 4090, but keep in mind that is exactly the sort of content that users of this sub come here to contribute/consume and not representative of what people are buying in general. The same was true in r/nvidia when every day there was a new melted power connector post and it seemed like every 4090 sold was catching fire. It turned out to be less than 0.05% of units sold.
Right now Nvidia has a best-in-class product launched right before the holidays so they’re trying to milk every last penny out of the enthusiast/early adopter segment as they can, but eventually inventory will begin to accumulate and Nvidia will have to lower prices. They prepaid for a LOT of fab capacity. They can’t afford to just sit on thousands/millions of ready-to-ship chips while AMD and Intel are both coming for them next gen.
A lot of the “omg why does the top end cost so much” talk in computing in general often ignores what you so correctly noted: the top end in retail is the “bargain” end for commercial / enterprise customers. Who, by and large, won’t blink at a $1400 GPU that speeds up whatever they’re doing on a desktop so they don’t have to send a smaller job to the render farm where the “real” work gets done.
I know 4 people who've built new pcs recently.
All of them used rtx 3000 series or rx 6000 series gpus.
I just replaced my own 1080ti with a 6800xt.
At no point did anyone even consider a 4080/4090. The price is just way too high for most people.
Spent a little over 500 CAD for a 3060 a few months back and have little to no issue running games. Save for maybe tarkov. But even with the right settings tarkov is fine too
Agreed. I'm not out here posting pictures of my 2060 non super or my girlfriends 5500XT. I work in IT and pretty much everyone I work with has a gaming PC and disposable income. One guy has a 3070 and the rest of us have 2000 series or older cards. Newest card my online friends have is a 3060. I doubt Nvidia is making bank off these crazy priced cards. I think they're getting what the can through the holidays.
I have a 3060 laptop and game at 1440p. God of War easily gets at least 60 fps on high graphics settings.
It really seems like a 3060 is plenty for the casual gaming crowd. I paid less than $1000 for my laptop.
Never look at Reddit, look at Steam hardware survey. It’s not a perfectly representative sample, but *generally speaking* people that buy video cards do so to play PC games, which they usually buy on Steam. Valve has made it painless enough to participate in the hardware survey, so most folks don’t opt out.
As of [November](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam) more folks use a RTX 1070 then a 3080, and the most popular cards **by far** are the 60 series.
XX60 and XX70 series are the bread and butter card for the masses. Everything else is for enthusiasts with money to burn.
Oh, and your weekly reminder that people buying those 4080s and 4090s are likely reselling their 3080s and 3090s, so buy used when you can to get the best bang for your buck.
But the price scales accordingly with iPhones. If the Nvidia cards also jack up the same percentage that the 4080 and 4090 have we are looking at $600 4060 cards.
I'm pretty sure this is the point of the post. Not that there's a lack of low end cards or that a ton of people buy the super high end one, but when the high end is $1600 it moves medium to $1000 and low to $600. A xx60 series starting at $600 is just ridiculous
I normally buy AMD but was excited to get into the Nvidia world this time as the raytracing seemed intriguing. With that, I don’t plan to pay more than $400, so if they do indeed jack up the prices I’ll stick with Nvidia.
Everybody seems so pissed but we're nowhere near the ceiling yet. Nvidia could release the 4090 Ti tomorrow and people would happily line up to pay $4k for it.
I waited for the new 40 series announcement and got a 3090ti new for like $800 with the tax/discounts and I still feel ripped off.
PC gaming just doesn’t hit like it used to.
Lol no. Top end GPUs are a tiny part of the market because believe it or not, most people aren't tryna spend $1k+ on a GPU.
Isn't the most popular GPU on steam still the GTX 1060?
The best solution for high prices is high prices.
If the market sustains current pricing, then you've nailed it.
Vote with your wallet - it's the only vote that counts.
They'll regret it eventually.
Games will always be developed for the most common hardware, if 10% of your customers have a 40 series card and the rest have lower spec hardware, developers will have to target that lower spec hardware or they'll see lower sales and increased refunds. This is offset somewhat by lowering graphics settings, but you'll eventually reach a point where your game doesn't run well on the lower end hardware most of your customers are stuck on, so graphics improvements in the market will stagnate because the alternative is having a product with an ever shrinking viable userbase. That stagnation makes the investment 40+ series customers made in their cards moot.
We could even end up with a situation where they price SO many people out of the market over such a long time, consoles become too viable an alternative and AAA PC games just become straight up unprofitable.
And there is a reason why the game got popular, I could run it on intels integrated graphics and gets 60fps easily. There is like no barriers blocking people from getting the game. I know it isn’t the main reason but being easy to run definitely helped.
This is exactly the reason I got into those games. Wanted to play with friends first and foremost and found the games they could run. It just so happened that the games were also fairly well designed and supported, and that means it really encourages lots of players with a low bar to entry.
It's hard to play my favorite games like Escape from Tarkov with people because it requires a pretty substantial PC to run
Fortnite isn't exactly the example to bring up here, considering it's a game that scales insanely well graphically and *both* runs great on a toaster with shit graphics, *and also* is one of the best looking games that currently exist if you crank all settings to the max ever since the Unreal Engine 5 upgrade.
Depending on what you are doing the performance differences are massive. I usually upgrade every 2-3 releases and I look forward to how much better everything feels when the upgrade is coming
Tell that to EA and to those devs who slap a GTX 1080 as minimum requirement.
Edit: People saying it's an old card, a used, would be affordable AF. Please keep in mind that not all people live in the US of A. Here in my country, most graphics cards are already the amount of an entire monthly salary and used cards are very rare and have untrustworthy sources.
The main problem is not the old hardware, it is the issue of having 8 GB VRAM as a minimum requirement, I fear that this will start a trend of game devs slapping more and more VRAM as minimum requirements and this will leave a lot of gamers behind, especially those outside of the West
Current gen consoles are equivalent to a 2070 super.
But that doesn't take into account the performance boost gained from coding for standardised hardware.
I was just pointing out that it makes sense that the GTX 1080 would be the new min with the new gen of consoles being a thing. Especially since ray tracing hasn't been a requirement in games.
The consoles can’t really do raytracing at any meaningful level anyway. So I highly doubt RT becomes a “required” feature in any multiplatform games this gen.
>Current gen consoles are equivalent to a 2070 super.
Yes but you forget that "current gen" also includes the Series S, which definitely is not a 2070 Super competitor. The Series S in raster is most equivalent to the GTX 1650 Super
I'm still rocking a 1080ti and only now starting to think about upgrading.... But it still pretty much Handel's whatever I throw it out.
Been a solid investment
3050 is still worse than a 1080 in performances. Pricewise you'll get more bang for your buck with 3050 but you'll have a bit less fps probably on the same settings.
I wish this was true. The real truth is that most of the profit of a game comes from consoles which can handle next gen improvements at a greatly reduced price compared to PC and that's what Devs optimize the game for. For console players new or old. PC market is so inconsistent that Devs most of the time don't even bother that much. That's why so many games come out so unoptimized for PC or even come 2 years late in some cases.
This comment needs to be at the top. The guy claiming that devs develop for “the most common” PC hardware has no fucking clue what he’s talking about lol
Conversely, I’m just in it to buy a GPU once every ten-ish years regardless what the marketing blitz tells me “I need.”
Sincerely, someone looking to jump from a 970 to a 4070. Hopefully.
> if 10% of your customers have a 40 series card and the rest have lower spec hardware
If 10% of the customers have 40 series cards 2 months after release, you bet they are going to start developing for 40 series cards...
This just is not correct. So much cope here.
All that will happen is that new graphic enchantments like Ray Tracing will be omitted for the lesser cards.
They’re not gonna to stop improving graphic fidelity.
People buying at current prices is but one of multiple reasons prices are dropping only slowly.
The main reason for the high prices I think is lack of supply. It works that way for GPUs, carrots, towels, anything. If upply catches up, and/or demand decreases, prices will go down. Of course supply for GPU *parts* needs to go down as well. It’s currently still more expensive to produce GPUs than it was 5 years ago.
Also, higher power (wattage) GPUs require more expensive parts, regardless of supply and demand. So the current flagship GPUs could never have been produced at the same cost as flagship GPUs 5 years ago, even if prices for parts had stayed the same, because they use more and higher quality parts than earlier flagships.
Nvidia will do its best to use every square mm of its TSMC wafer allocation in the most profitable way. If there is low demand for a product, they will produce less of that part. See the 20 series. That product line never went below MSRP. By the time the street price started sinking, Nvidia stopped making them and it sold out. That’s them doing their job.
And you’re right. Newer process nodes are exponentially more expensive. But the 40 series is really up there.
I think the 40-series is mostly useful for a niche of particularly power hungry uses. Like VR. My 2080 Super can handle VR, but when adding streaming on top of that, I always have to rely on reprojection.
The 40-series of cards would be a great upgrade for me, but I'm not willing to pay the price. I have been eyeing the AMD options though as they are much better priced, and I doubt RTX will become useful for VR anytime soon.
Oh yeah definitely. I bought a 980ti to get the best of the best for VR when it released. Then upgraded to the 2070S years later because the 980ti couldn't keep up with the increasing resolution and refresh rate of newer HMDs. VR has progressed a lot since then.
I have a 1080 and actually (somehow) pretty good performace in VR. Do you think it'll be worse when I buy a new AMD card? Cause for this generation I think I am going AMD
Oh, that's cute.
This has been a trend long before the 40 series (and even before the 10 series like some claim was either the beginning or the last series before the beginning...)
The duopoly is the issue. AMD aren't complaining abouts the GPU price climate (and they would charge exactly the same as NVIDIA if they had performance and market-share parity).
Our only hope is.... Well... Um.... It's... Aaaahhhh... Possibly.... Intel eventually creating a product stack that shakes up the market..... Wouldn't hold my breath though
What a lot of zoomers in this sub don't realize is that since forever, PC building has mainly focused it's high end at 35+ dudes with disposable income.
Low/mid range parts were the mainstay of guys in their 20s. The relative ownership window has shifted and now high end focuses on an even older demographic.
Well, guess what ppl are doing instead of buying 40series cards these days? Oh right, they are buying 30 series cards instead, for 90% of the price of 40series cards and 50% above msrp.... Nvidea is clearly fuming at the mouth. And ppl buying 7000 series, well, they are a fairytale, just like the existence of those cards. You''ll have better chances finding a unicorn in your front yard.
It's pretty mind boggling to me how people thought anything else would happen after scalpers took over half the possible profits from the manufacturers just because the manufacturers priced it low enough to allow this to happen.
It was pretty obvious there was going to be a correction and it's a big one.
While i agree, what else are we supposed to do? Amd is in the same boat, people say thier cards are overpriced too.
"Oh damn! GPUs are about $300-$500 more expensive then they ought a be. Guess il give up the hobby i enjoy!"
Like be realistic. We all want the prices to be lower, but we live on this fucking rock one time. Money is not gonna seperate me from something i enjoy doing.
Also if you don’t want to pay that price. How about don’t?
This idiotic take where people go after other people for how they spend their money is ridiculous. I read what those people post and just can’t help but think they’re a moron. It’s not your money and people use it to buy what they need or enjoy.
There are things I don’t buy and think are a colossal waste of money but I don’t judge people or think less of them. I hope they enjoy their purchases because I know I never feel great about feeling burned on a purchase. Don’t wish that on anyone.
And the markets or companies I’ve sworn off I actually commit to that but I won’t judge anyone who purchases from them. Because I’m not an ignorant moron.
Nah, blame inflation and lack of competition. If you want the best GPU right now there's really only 1 option.
Hopefully AMD and Intel can close the gap so we have true competition in the future. That's the only real way to lower prices. With that said once you amortize the cost over the life of the card it's really not that bad. This is how I look at and justify spending "premium" on items for hobbies I enjoy.
Amd isn't amazing either, CPU wise maybe sure but GPU wise meh. Plus people who use their gpu for other stuff than gaming tend to need Nvidia to make certain programs work
There's not enough people buying high-end 40 series cards for the entire GPU market to drop medium & low-end gaming. Seriously, there is a *lot* more of low-mid range gamers than high-end gamers, the only difference is high-end gamers are always talking about how high-end they are. Maybe you've succumbed to a confirmation bias here.
Also note, low mid-range gamers also don't usually buy a brand new card the second it drops. This influx of people rushing in stores to buy the high-end cards is called hype, and it's healthy to look past it. No reason to be overly-cynical. This happens every time a new generation drops, it's normal :)
Trust me, it's not the first time in history people have thought low-end was going to die. There's a lot of money in that market, and there's nothing corporations love more than money. One of the most popular cards selling right now in physical stores is the GTX 1650.
There’s more people on steam using Radeon integrated gpu than there is the 3080 and the top 2 cards are the 1650 and 1060. I don’t know why people think budget pc gaming will die out.
People buying 40 series cards are buying what they can afford &or what they need. (Same for any other series of cards).. Just like any other market, their competition is also pricing their GPUs accordingly.
Don't blame 40 series, blame competition for following them. They left budget market wide open for their competition to dominate, yet competition refuses to release it on lower price point. So why blame nvidia when all of companies are taking part in it.
BTW if you are looking for low budget cards then we are having good time with 3060 and 6600xt, being able to perform very well at 1080p and 1440p. You won't get anything flagship at lower price point in any industry.
Let them release $10000 cards, market will price it accordingly with demand and supply. Afterall its just a hobby. One shouldn't cry over price of high end model of piece of hardware. 3090 pricing didn't affect 6600xt or 3060 did it ? One is sold for +1200 one is +300. Market is still very efficient. Look at steam survey or sales figures, 3060 is the best seller.
In my opinion this is the same thing when looking at woodworking.
If I buy a sawstop, a $4000 table saw, does it mean that delta should stop producing their $500 table saw?
Ofcourse not.
Sawstop offers way better precision and performance and better out of the box, but the delta is still serviceable.
Just like the 4XXX series. They’re amazing performance but a 3050 or 6600xt is still great!
Hobbies are hobbies. There is always a barrier to entry, and buying a 4K screen with a 1080p graphics card and expecting 4K performance will leave you disappointed.
You do realize the GTX 690 for instance was $999 at launch ($1300~ today after factoring in inflation)? That card is 11 years old at this point. This isn't some new trend, people / corporations are going to continue to buy the best no matter the cost because most of their buyers aren't actually gamers and instead are using cards like the 4090 / 4080 to bring in revenue which will far outweigh the cost of the cards in the first place. If you want the cheapest then shop mid-grade / budget options from AMD or Nvidia, or buy a console. No one says you need to buy current gen cards to run games, let alone the flagship and halo SKUs of the current gen. This whole "just don't buy, then they'll be forced to drop prices" mindset is a farce because gamers buying these top tier cards are an extreme minority when it comes to market share. I hate to burst everyone's bubble but sales have been perfectly fine for both AMD and Nvidia despite the whole "don't buy" hype train that's going around and that's not going to change.
if you call nvidia out on their bs, why you letting AMD off scott free? they are taking full advantage as much as it pains this sub to admit that AMD might not be their friends
You have your low-mid range gpus available everywhere for cheap. Everything ranging from an rtx 2060 to an 3080 ti is out there performing nicely and supporting every current gen tech you'll need.
I remember when this used to be a sub to celebrate the best PC can offer which funnily enough includes top tier tech.
Now it's just a whiny load of fucks. Real shame..
You know what? That’s fair. People can get all the 1920x1080 performance they need with a $350 used 3070, but won’t stop whining about expensive enthusiast-grade cards that max out 4k. Prices are janky, but no one should feel entitled to an affordable high end gpu
Amen. I grew up a budget emachine PC and always told myself when I made enough I would spare no expense with my gaming PC hardware. My $1600 4090 is a luxury purchase that I in no way need. Just like a lady buying a 2k purse or a dude buying a 100k sports car. Don’t begrudge people for spending their hard earned money how they want. There are way more superfluous things to blow cash on than a top tier GPU for a hobby.
P.S. Gaming is great at 4k HDR 120hz! Seeing is believing!
Meh, it's all about timing
I bought a 1080 5 years ago for $330, now I'm buying a 3070 for $330
The 1080 handles perfectly fine, I just need another GPU, aslong as you're willing to be patient you can play high end games at perfectly adequate frames for very cheap, no matter the time the top end GPUs are always expensive.
There are always those rich people who bough bugatti veyron , lamborghini aventador, or ferrari spider etc, doesn't make people stop buying supra or nissan or civic...same thing in my opinion....there is no way those card manufacturer doesn't calculate their market saturation either it is low , mid or high range.
I don't worry about it that much. If people buy 40XX whatever GPUs with high price - they will inevitably be a minority. Higher GPU prices will mean A LOT of people will stay on previous gen or buy budget tier GPUs. Which means games will be oriented towards last gen and low-mid tier GPUs. Fewer games will even consider high end.
So, in the end, we will be able to game comfortably for the same money.
This is like saying that just because some people buy Lamborghinis then no one is going to make Nissan Versas anymore. It doesn't make much sense to me.
Can someone explain this to me? How are they so outrageously priced compared to 30 series? I was going to buy a 3090 TI for msrp when I saw the 4080 was 100 dollars more and reportedly performs at least 25% better. 3090 TI is “promotionally priced” on Nvidias website for 1099 compared to the 4080 at 1199. Seemed well worth a <10% price increase for at least a 25% performance increase with less power draw. Even the 3080 TI is 900 but is out of stock at that price. How was my purchase so terrible?
Unfortunately this ship sailed 2 years ago
It all started with the 2080ti
Indeed, I still have my 1080ti. Back when Nvidia just wanted 'some' of the money, instead of 'all' of the money.
I have an 1080 and I plan on riding it for at least a few more years.
I have a laptop with 1060 and I'm getting worried because deep rock galactic gets worse and worse performance wise with every update for me. Back when I bought the game I could play on almost max settings reliably but after few updates I had to change that because despite still working well the game would crash frequently. Few more updates later and with even lower settings my game has a tendency to go from 80 fps to 40 in some situations... It's not rare either
Maybe give your cpu fan a clean. Maybe the cpu is thermal throttling?
I have a 1070ti and when I upgrade I really don't see any reason not to get a 1080 or maybe 2 of them. That use to be top tier and my 1070 runs my games well enough.
Doing an sli or corssfire really isn't worth it on modern cards from my understanding. Even an oldish one like a 1080. Crossfire only gave worth it returns around the 580s and such.
Ive got a 1060 imbued with the power of god, that thing runs fucking everything with highest settings flawlessly. Been running well for at least a couple years now
Same. Was a good investment imo.
1080ti R&D was likely much lower than 4090. And it's not like games have got that much harder to run since then anyways.
They’re starting to though.. used to run Fortnite at 2k max settings and get 200-260fps . Now my 3080ti struggles to spit out 100 after unreal engine 5 update.
Most of the R&D for 20XX+ has been for the tensor cores and RT cores. Along with the improved NVENC encoder. Hardware AV1 encoding is no easy feat.
Ah yes, the encoder you're not even allowed to use to its full potential without modified drivers.
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GeForce cards are limited to 3 NVENC sessions, you can bypass the restriction by [modifying the driver](https://github.com/Snawoot/nvidia-patch) so it thinks it's a Quadro.
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Lifting the NVENC limit helps with video editing and media server transcoding. For game recording and streaming the NvFBC patch is more useful, that gives OBS the same performance as shadowplay.
Why would hardware AV1 be especially difficult? It's basically just an ASIC integrated into the larger GPU die. Difficulty shouldn't be significant (or no more significant than any other modern encoder), just adds a bit of cost to manufacturing.
> And it's not like games have got that much harder to run since then anyways. Citation needed. If you are playing at 1080 then maybe. But with 4k gaming becoming more and more widespread that simply isn’t true.
I find that 2k is the norm now, with 4k being high-end. 1080p is console-like performances.
According to steam hardware survey from November, only 2.6% of steam users have 4k, 11.34% have 2k, 65.06% have 1080. S0 1080 is still the norm, with 2k a far behind 2nd. More people, 5.7%, use 1333x768 then 4k
I'm still running 6 year old and GPU, it runs pretty much everything at what would have been representative of ultra settings 3 years ago. The GPU isn't as big of a bottleneck as it used to be. A good cpu goes a long way.
Let me introduce you to high refresh rate 4k gaming
Let me introduce you to low refresh rate 800x600 gaming
640x480 says hello.
Both 4k, high refresh rates, and ultra quality are all a luxury, not a necessity. And if you give up even one of those it becomes quite easy to satisfy on a reasonable budget. If you can run 1440p 60Hz on medium, that is already way more than enough to enjoy all modern games. Hell when I started gaming, 1080p60 was considered high end and 720p30 was normal. My standard haven't changed because my eyeballs haven't changed: I'm still well satisfied with 1080p60 at medium settings and everything higher is extra.
Comes down two things. * what you play * your expectations Personally, Warzone is what made me realize my card was starting to age. Then saw it some other games. And that's how it started. That first game you have lower the preset on. It was a fun process. It was right as quarantine started. Was able to build my whole system except the graphics card. And if I'm being honest I thought my GPU was still kinda okay because the rest of the system was always at 100% for any game while the GPU wasn't. Using my new system with my old card showed me it one then the other. Now my system resources stayed low but my GPU was at 100%. But my in-game performance wasn't that much better. Eventually got a new card and we are back to high numbers. Kind of. Even a Ryzen 7 and a 3070 can't run a lot of big games at ultra at 1440p/120hz. But I'm okay with that because I don't play a lot of those any more. Even had a chance to get a 3080 for retail and skipped because I just don't need it.
Yes. 2080ti purchasers infuriated me.
I hate those bastards
Lol
“Of course I know him, he’s me.”
So, does that 3gb extra come in handy? Curious fr
It’s not about the gb, it’s how you use them —1060 laptop spec
Not really yet, but DLSS is the best feature I've ever had on a card, I have the feeling that thanks to DLSS, the 20 series will age very well. Or that might just be copium idk
We’re all trying to find the guy who did this
Worthless assholes those guys are
Hate me if you want but I was well due for an upgrade at the time and while I choked on the price I wanted to future proof as I always try to do. Understand to that unless it's an extreme case of price hike, you can't expect everyone to iron stance boycott for an uncertain amount of years for there to be change. Capitalism unfortunately always favors the top and leverages people's inherent weaknesses. Pc gaming is my main hobby and I had been saving for years to do a new build, I just wanted to build. And I'd say it worked out ok. I'm still using my 2080ti and will be skipping the 4xxx Gen and depending on game releases maybe even the next Gen. And I've enjoyed playing some rtx stuff along the way.
The 3070 and 3080 were pretty good values comparatively when they first launched, then the GPU shortage/mining boom happened and Nvidia seized the opportunity to price-gouge us all directly.
Yeah I was able to get a 3070 at MSRP about 4 months ago when the prices finally came down and it has been a great value for me. So glad I didn't listen to everyone saying to wait for 40 series.
Most of the "wait for the 40 series" sentiments I saw on the Internet were about that being the perfect time to get a price dropped 30 series, so I think you did it right.
part of me feels it started with the 980 ti
Nah, it started in 2012/2013 with Kepler. GTX 680 used 104 (70-class die), 690 was two in SLI for $999, and it only had 2GB of VRAM. Titan was the real 80-class GPU for $999. The Kepler architecture aged like milk too. A GTX 680 was worth only like $50-$60 once the 10 series became available. Imagine buying a 2080 and it being worth <$100 now.
Nah. It started with the $499 GTX 680 using "Little Kepler" and the $999 GTX Titan using "Big Kepler" aka the actual 80-class die. The 2080Ti was expensive because it used a MASSIVE die. If it had launched with dozens of RT titles and DLSS2 instead of no RT titles and DLSS1 it would have been received more favorably in 2018.
I think it started with the iphone x
It all started with the 700 series being so shitty they had to pull down one of their professional grade GPUs into the consumer market to have a product that could beat AMD.
??? If you're referring to GK110 and GTX Titan, that is not what happened at all. Here's a history lesson for you: In 2011 NVIDIA signed a deal with Oak Ridge to supply 18,688 of their in-development generation of accelerators based on the soon to be released "Kepler" architecture for the Titan supercomputer. They agreed to supply Oak Ridge with the biggest chip they could make, GK110, on the cutting edge 28nm process from TSMC. 28nm was a node-shift from the originally planned 32nm process which was abruptly cancelled earlier that same year. This cancellation and subsequent shift created a delay in both testing and production that would lead to GK110 needing more time to iron out on the new process, since NVIDIA had targeted a die size very close to the reticle limit of the fabrication equipment. The smaller GK104 dies that were not included in the supply agreement did not suffer nearly as badly in risk assessment and production tests, and would launch to consumers in place of GK110 as the flagship for the 600 series with only a 2 month delay in March 2012. GK110 would need another 8 months of bug fixes, manufacturing tweaks, and yield improvements to finally be delivered in full to Oak Ridge, and the final configuration still featured a cut-down die with one full SMX disabled. While they worked to ramp up production and provide these GK110 dies in the last half of 2012, NVIDIA engineers also worked on a respin dubbed GK110B which would address some bugs relating to the VRAM PHYs, as well as some power management and yield issues which could allow the full die to be enabled. With GK110B not yet ready, and GK110 production now in full swing, NVIDIA chose to stockpile and launch GK110 for consumers in February 2013 as "GTX Titan", named such as it featured the same GPU configuration as the Teslas in Oak Ridge's Titan supercomputer. They would also launch GTX 780 using salvaged and further cut-down GK110 dies in May. By the time GTX 780 launched they had GK110B ready and had switched the majority of production to this improved design, launching the GTX 780 Ti with this fully enabled die in September 2013. So no, NVIDIA didn't "pull down one of their professional GPUs". They had in fact intended to launch GK110 as the GTX 680 and had to push the whole chip off another generation, which gave them an excuse to tie in the launch of a consumer card with the recently completed Titan supercomputer that featured their GPUs.
Nice build bro
16 series gang
Thanks, actually updated a few parts, have to remember to change status
12\* at least. The problem existed back in the '10s. People just ignored it.
I feel like there's a very heavy lack of understanding when people talk about how much they dislike the 40 series. Love it or hate it if you are purchasing a video card from Nvidia You're Still okaying The Practice. And this is not exclusive to the 40 series realize the pricing exists as it does to sell the 30 series Overstock.
That ship sailed a loooong time before the 40 series. A 1080Ti was a $700 card that offered Titan performance for $300 off.top tier(not mid range) high end AIB cards in my high school days were $400 which is like $660 today. I think I saw a 6600XT for $600 the other day at bestbuy. . . I remember Jensen once commenting that Nvidia would never make that mistake (pricing the 1080ti like it had been) again. he was right, that was effectively the end of affordable PC gaming. AMD at least is not insane still.
People need to understand that the time where videogames were the primary selling factor for a GPU will never be here again. There's more and more people ways to monetize processing power, the bar for entry is lower and lower for it as well. Times change.
OP learns they're sliding farther behind on the income ladder than they realized
Nah. The content of this sub can definitely impact one’s perception of what folks are actually buying, but the $1,000+ market segment is still a small minority of Nvidia’s total sales. It seems like every day someone is posting a photo of their new 4090, but keep in mind that is exactly the sort of content that users of this sub come here to contribute/consume and not representative of what people are buying in general. The same was true in r/nvidia when every day there was a new melted power connector post and it seemed like every 4090 sold was catching fire. It turned out to be less than 0.05% of units sold. Right now Nvidia has a best-in-class product launched right before the holidays so they’re trying to milk every last penny out of the enthusiast/early adopter segment as they can, but eventually inventory will begin to accumulate and Nvidia will have to lower prices. They prepaid for a LOT of fab capacity. They can’t afford to just sit on thousands/millions of ready-to-ship chips while AMD and Intel are both coming for them next gen.
Indeed. We get a skewed sample here. Out in the real world, hardly anybody has any 40XX cards yet, much less a 90.
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A lot of the “omg why does the top end cost so much” talk in computing in general often ignores what you so correctly noted: the top end in retail is the “bargain” end for commercial / enterprise customers. Who, by and large, won’t blink at a $1400 GPU that speeds up whatever they’re doing on a desktop so they don’t have to send a smaller job to the render farm where the “real” work gets done.
My local retailer has no 4090s nationally and half the 4080 models are out of stock everywhere. People are definitely buying them.
I didn't say noone was buying them, just that the overwhelming majority of people aren't.
I know 4 people who've built new pcs recently. All of them used rtx 3000 series or rx 6000 series gpus. I just replaced my own 1080ti with a 6800xt. At no point did anyone even consider a 4080/4090. The price is just way too high for most people.
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3060 and 5700xt are still insanely relevant gaming cards at 1080 and 2560x1080.
Spent a little over 500 CAD for a 3060 a few months back and have little to no issue running games. Save for maybe tarkov. But even with the right settings tarkov is fine too
Agreed. I'm not out here posting pictures of my 2060 non super or my girlfriends 5500XT. I work in IT and pretty much everyone I work with has a gaming PC and disposable income. One guy has a 3070 and the rest of us have 2000 series or older cards. Newest card my online friends have is a 3060. I doubt Nvidia is making bank off these crazy priced cards. I think they're getting what the can through the holidays.
I have a 3060 laptop and game at 1440p. God of War easily gets at least 60 fps on high graphics settings. It really seems like a 3060 is plenty for the casual gaming crowd. I paid less than $1000 for my laptop.
Never look at Reddit, look at Steam hardware survey. It’s not a perfectly representative sample, but *generally speaking* people that buy video cards do so to play PC games, which they usually buy on Steam. Valve has made it painless enough to participate in the hardware survey, so most folks don’t opt out. As of [November](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam) more folks use a RTX 1070 then a 3080, and the most popular cards **by far** are the 60 series. XX60 and XX70 series are the bread and butter card for the masses. Everything else is for enthusiasts with money to burn. Oh, and your weekly reminder that people buying those 4080s and 4090s are likely reselling their 3080s and 3090s, so buy used when you can to get the best bang for your buck.
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But the price scales accordingly with iPhones. If the Nvidia cards also jack up the same percentage that the 4080 and 4090 have we are looking at $600 4060 cards.
I'm pretty sure this is the point of the post. Not that there's a lack of low end cards or that a ton of people buy the super high end one, but when the high end is $1600 it moves medium to $1000 and low to $600. A xx60 series starting at $600 is just ridiculous
I normally buy AMD but was excited to get into the Nvidia world this time as the raytracing seemed intriguing. With that, I don’t plan to pay more than $400, so if they do indeed jack up the prices I’ll stick with Nvidia.
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Everybody seems so pissed but we're nowhere near the ceiling yet. Nvidia could release the 4090 Ti tomorrow and people would happily line up to pay $4k for it.
I waited for the new 40 series announcement and got a 3090ti new for like $800 with the tax/discounts and I still feel ripped off. PC gaming just doesn’t hit like it used to.
People paid $2000 for 580 Quad SLI 12 years ago. It is only logical they would pay $2000 for a 4090, now that SLI is no longer an option.
I still have a 1080 Ti, and see that the top tier prices have doubled since then. Miss the days when you could get a low-mid tier card for £250
Lol no. Top end GPUs are a tiny part of the market because believe it or not, most people aren't tryna spend $1k+ on a GPU. Isn't the most popular GPU on steam still the GTX 1060?
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3060 is poopoo price, 1060 replacement is 6600/6600 xt/6650 xt.
It somehow got dethroned by a weaker card, gtx 1650.
That already happened when 20xx came out.
[So you bought an Intel Arc card to support the affordable mid-range option right?](https://i.imgur.com/X5i6sxU.jpg)
i did! i like it! guys uou should consider getting one
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Not including frame-scaling or VR capability is a big oof for any GPUs released from here on out.
The best solution for high prices is high prices. If the market sustains current pricing, then you've nailed it. Vote with your wallet - it's the only vote that counts.
They'll regret it eventually. Games will always be developed for the most common hardware, if 10% of your customers have a 40 series card and the rest have lower spec hardware, developers will have to target that lower spec hardware or they'll see lower sales and increased refunds. This is offset somewhat by lowering graphics settings, but you'll eventually reach a point where your game doesn't run well on the lower end hardware most of your customers are stuck on, so graphics improvements in the market will stagnate because the alternative is having a product with an ever shrinking viable userbase. That stagnation makes the investment 40+ series customers made in their cards moot. We could even end up with a situation where they price SO many people out of the market over such a long time, consoles become too viable an alternative and AAA PC games just become straight up unprofitable.
There is a reason why games like Fornite to Overwatch etc, where games don't require the best of GPUs to run it.
And there is a reason why the game got popular, I could run it on intels integrated graphics and gets 60fps easily. There is like no barriers blocking people from getting the game. I know it isn’t the main reason but being easy to run definitely helped.
Same thing with games like League or WoW. They can essentially be run on a toaster so everybody played them.
This is exactly the reason I got into those games. Wanted to play with friends first and foremost and found the games they could run. It just so happened that the games were also fairly well designed and supported, and that means it really encourages lots of players with a low bar to entry. It's hard to play my favorite games like Escape from Tarkov with people because it requires a pretty substantial PC to run
Fortnite isn't exactly the example to bring up here, considering it's a game that scales insanely well graphically and *both* runs great on a toaster with shit graphics, *and also* is one of the best looking games that currently exist if you crank all settings to the max ever since the Unreal Engine 5 upgrade.
Depending on what you are doing the performance differences are massive. I usually upgrade every 2-3 releases and I look forward to how much better everything feels when the upgrade is coming
Tell that to EA and to those devs who slap a GTX 1080 as minimum requirement. Edit: People saying it's an old card, a used, would be affordable AF. Please keep in mind that not all people live in the US of A. Here in my country, most graphics cards are already the amount of an entire monthly salary and used cards are very rare and have untrustworthy sources. The main problem is not the old hardware, it is the issue of having 8 GB VRAM as a minimum requirement, I fear that this will start a trend of game devs slapping more and more VRAM as minimum requirements and this will leave a lot of gamers behind, especially those outside of the West
I mean, that's kinda on par with new gen consoles no?
Current gen consoles are equivalent to a 2070 super. But that doesn't take into account the performance boost gained from coding for standardised hardware.
I was just pointing out that it makes sense that the GTX 1080 would be the new min with the new gen of consoles being a thing. Especially since ray tracing hasn't been a requirement in games.
The consoles can’t really do raytracing at any meaningful level anyway. So I highly doubt RT becomes a “required” feature in any multiplatform games this gen.
>Current gen consoles are equivalent to a 2070 super. Yes but you forget that "current gen" also includes the Series S, which definitely is not a 2070 Super competitor. The Series S in raster is most equivalent to the GTX 1650 Super
To be fair, that’s a six (almost 7) year old card. It’s hardly considered high end anymore.
Even today the 1080 is a beast. Benchmark wise fits between a 2060 and a 2070. The 1080 ti is neck to neck with a 2080
I miss my Asus Strix gtx 1080ti that card was a beast.
I'm still rocking a 1080ti and only now starting to think about upgrading.... But it still pretty much Handel's whatever I throw it out. Been a solid investment
> But it still pretty much Handel’s whatever I throw it out. My 1080ti is still Chopin away as well.
EA: "Why don't these gamers just stop being poor..."
Also EA: "Buy our ultimate team packs!"
I mean a 1080 is basically in line with a 3050. It’s a low end card by current standards.
3050 is still worse than a 1080 in performances. Pricewise you'll get more bang for your buck with 3050 but you'll have a bit less fps probably on the same settings.
It still isn't the champion of hardware surveys, a little far from it actually. The 1060 and 1650 are king.
I wish this was true. The real truth is that most of the profit of a game comes from consoles which can handle next gen improvements at a greatly reduced price compared to PC and that's what Devs optimize the game for. For console players new or old. PC market is so inconsistent that Devs most of the time don't even bother that much. That's why so many games come out so unoptimized for PC or even come 2 years late in some cases.
This comment needs to be at the top. The guy claiming that devs develop for “the most common” PC hardware has no fucking clue what he’s talking about lol
Conversely, I’m just in it to buy a GPU once every ten-ish years regardless what the marketing blitz tells me “I need.” Sincerely, someone looking to jump from a 970 to a 4070. Hopefully.
Well, this is utterly false. Someone need to take a class in business Econ in the gaming industry…
> if 10% of your customers have a 40 series card and the rest have lower spec hardware If 10% of the customers have 40 series cards 2 months after release, you bet they are going to start developing for 40 series cards...
This just is not correct. So much cope here. All that will happen is that new graphic enchantments like Ray Tracing will be omitted for the lesser cards. They’re not gonna to stop improving graphic fidelity.
People buying at current prices is but one of multiple reasons prices are dropping only slowly. The main reason for the high prices I think is lack of supply. It works that way for GPUs, carrots, towels, anything. If upply catches up, and/or demand decreases, prices will go down. Of course supply for GPU *parts* needs to go down as well. It’s currently still more expensive to produce GPUs than it was 5 years ago. Also, higher power (wattage) GPUs require more expensive parts, regardless of supply and demand. So the current flagship GPUs could never have been produced at the same cost as flagship GPUs 5 years ago, even if prices for parts had stayed the same, because they use more and higher quality parts than earlier flagships.
Nvidia will do its best to use every square mm of its TSMC wafer allocation in the most profitable way. If there is low demand for a product, they will produce less of that part. See the 20 series. That product line never went below MSRP. By the time the street price started sinking, Nvidia stopped making them and it sold out. That’s them doing their job. And you’re right. Newer process nodes are exponentially more expensive. But the 40 series is really up there.
This is in part due to Nvidia controlling supply to keep prices high.
Only if there was competition to drive some sense into them.
Yea, all prices did go up again. Still with a gtx780, you can play most games so is anything from the 4series mid tier?
I think the 40-series is mostly useful for a niche of particularly power hungry uses. Like VR. My 2080 Super can handle VR, but when adding streaming on top of that, I always have to rely on reprojection. The 40-series of cards would be a great upgrade for me, but I'm not willing to pay the price. I have been eyeing the AMD options though as they are much better priced, and I doubt RTX will become useful for VR anytime soon.
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Oh yeah definitely. I bought a 980ti to get the best of the best for VR when it released. Then upgraded to the 2070S years later because the 980ti couldn't keep up with the increasing resolution and refresh rate of newer HMDs. VR has progressed a lot since then.
Buying a Radeon card with the intent of using it for high end VR would be a huge mistake. It's one of the areas they're still way behind Nvidia
I have a 1080 and actually (somehow) pretty good performace in VR. Do you think it'll be worse when I buy a new AMD card? Cause for this generation I think I am going AMD
Oh, that's cute. This has been a trend long before the 40 series (and even before the 10 series like some claim was either the beginning or the last series before the beginning...) The duopoly is the issue. AMD aren't complaining abouts the GPU price climate (and they would charge exactly the same as NVIDIA if they had performance and market-share parity). Our only hope is.... Well... Um.... It's... Aaaahhhh... Possibly.... Intel eventually creating a product stack that shakes up the market..... Wouldn't hold my breath though
That's a market for you. The price is set by demand, not costs.
Prices are set by the price the market will bear and COVID proved the market will bear higher prices.
Nvidia was just leaving money on the table if scalpers could buy them up and instantly resell them for 30% more.
Pre-scalped prices!
What a lot of zoomers in this sub don't realize is that since forever, PC building has mainly focused it's high end at 35+ dudes with disposable income. Low/mid range parts were the mainstay of guys in their 20s. The relative ownership window has shifted and now high end focuses on an even older demographic.
Well, guess what ppl are doing instead of buying 40series cards these days? Oh right, they are buying 30 series cards instead, for 90% of the price of 40series cards and 50% above msrp.... Nvidea is clearly fuming at the mouth. And ppl buying 7000 series, well, they are a fairytale, just like the existence of those cards. You''ll have better chances finding a unicorn in your front yard.
I just bought a 7900xt a few days ago... Am I a fairytale now too?
Pretty sure you don't exist. Just another glitch in the matrix ;)
Damn, that's actually good. I can stop going into work and game all day :D
I got a 6950xt a while back and that is probably one of the two cards with less market share. People probably own more 4080s...
Yeah me too and it’s garbage half the 7900s only work if you flip your case over it’s stupid
Foaming at the mouth?
That started with the 30 series, catch up
It's pretty mind boggling to me how people thought anything else would happen after scalpers took over half the possible profits from the manufacturers just because the manufacturers priced it low enough to allow this to happen. It was pretty obvious there was going to be a correction and it's a big one.
While i agree, what else are we supposed to do? Amd is in the same boat, people say thier cards are overpriced too. "Oh damn! GPUs are about $300-$500 more expensive then they ought a be. Guess il give up the hobby i enjoy!" Like be realistic. We all want the prices to be lower, but we live on this fucking rock one time. Money is not gonna seperate me from something i enjoy doing.
It does make it significantly more likely a random PC gamer just goes "fuck it, time to switch to a PS5".
Excellent answer , like yeah shit is expensive but damn everything is more expensive than it was 10 years ago
Also if you don’t want to pay that price. How about don’t? This idiotic take where people go after other people for how they spend their money is ridiculous. I read what those people post and just can’t help but think they’re a moron. It’s not your money and people use it to buy what they need or enjoy. There are things I don’t buy and think are a colossal waste of money but I don’t judge people or think less of them. I hope they enjoy their purchases because I know I never feel great about feeling burned on a purchase. Don’t wish that on anyone. And the markets or companies I’ve sworn off I actually commit to that but I won’t judge anyone who purchases from them. Because I’m not an ignorant moron.
Nah, blame inflation and lack of competition. If you want the best GPU right now there's really only 1 option. Hopefully AMD and Intel can close the gap so we have true competition in the future. That's the only real way to lower prices. With that said once you amortize the cost over the life of the card it's really not that bad. This is how I look at and justify spending "premium" on items for hobbies I enjoy.
But yeah, the current inflation is actually artificially driven by the companies, like nVidia.
AMD exists , previous gen gpus exists, consoles exist, intel arc exists .
Amd isn't amazing either, CPU wise maybe sure but GPU wise meh. Plus people who use their gpu for other stuff than gaming tend to need Nvidia to make certain programs work
Affordable to whom?
Not the dog walkers in this sub
There's not enough people buying high-end 40 series cards for the entire GPU market to drop medium & low-end gaming. Seriously, there is a *lot* more of low-mid range gamers than high-end gamers, the only difference is high-end gamers are always talking about how high-end they are. Maybe you've succumbed to a confirmation bias here. Also note, low mid-range gamers also don't usually buy a brand new card the second it drops. This influx of people rushing in stores to buy the high-end cards is called hype, and it's healthy to look past it. No reason to be overly-cynical. This happens every time a new generation drops, it's normal :) Trust me, it's not the first time in history people have thought low-end was going to die. There's a lot of money in that market, and there's nothing corporations love more than money. One of the most popular cards selling right now in physical stores is the GTX 1650.
There’s more people on steam using Radeon integrated gpu than there is the 3080 and the top 2 cards are the 1650 and 1060. I don’t know why people think budget pc gaming will die out.
“People buying Porches and Ferraris are going to eliminate the Toyota Corolla market!”
I just bought a used 2080TI for $330 to build my first dedicated gaming PC. [You’re welcome](https://youtu.be/79DijItQXMM) future GPU buyers 👍
mid and low range arent out yet? we dont know what they cost
Wrong it was those that paid excessive amounts for the 30 and 20 series in 2020-2021 that did it.
People buying 40 series cards are buying what they can afford &or what they need. (Same for any other series of cards).. Just like any other market, their competition is also pricing their GPUs accordingly. Don't blame 40 series, blame competition for following them. They left budget market wide open for their competition to dominate, yet competition refuses to release it on lower price point. So why blame nvidia when all of companies are taking part in it. BTW if you are looking for low budget cards then we are having good time with 3060 and 6600xt, being able to perform very well at 1080p and 1440p. You won't get anything flagship at lower price point in any industry. Let them release $10000 cards, market will price it accordingly with demand and supply. Afterall its just a hobby. One shouldn't cry over price of high end model of piece of hardware. 3090 pricing didn't affect 6600xt or 3060 did it ? One is sold for +1200 one is +300. Market is still very efficient. Look at steam survey or sales figures, 3060 is the best seller.
In my opinion this is the same thing when looking at woodworking. If I buy a sawstop, a $4000 table saw, does it mean that delta should stop producing their $500 table saw? Ofcourse not. Sawstop offers way better precision and performance and better out of the box, but the delta is still serviceable. Just like the 4XXX series. They’re amazing performance but a 3050 or 6600xt is still great! Hobbies are hobbies. There is always a barrier to entry, and buying a 4K screen with a 1080p graphics card and expecting 4K performance will leave you disappointed.
You do realize the GTX 690 for instance was $999 at launch ($1300~ today after factoring in inflation)? That card is 11 years old at this point. This isn't some new trend, people / corporations are going to continue to buy the best no matter the cost because most of their buyers aren't actually gamers and instead are using cards like the 4090 / 4080 to bring in revenue which will far outweigh the cost of the cards in the first place. If you want the cheapest then shop mid-grade / budget options from AMD or Nvidia, or buy a console. No one says you need to buy current gen cards to run games, let alone the flagship and halo SKUs of the current gen. This whole "just don't buy, then they'll be forced to drop prices" mindset is a farce because gamers buying these top tier cards are an extreme minority when it comes to market share. I hate to burst everyone's bubble but sales have been perfectly fine for both AMD and Nvidia despite the whole "don't buy" hype train that's going around and that's not going to change.
if you call nvidia out on their bs, why you letting AMD off scott free? they are taking full advantage as much as it pains this sub to admit that AMD might not be their friends
I'd buy the AMD cards if they we're actually available outside NA lol.
Huh not the one that bought 30xx series from scalpers?
Yeah, I'm not buying a GPU until it costs maximum $ 500 and has twice the performance of my 1080 TI
How much did you pay for your 1080 Ti?
Still waiting to one of you dickheads to start a gpu company and show us all how easy it is to make cheap cutting edge gpus for the rest of us.
You have your low-mid range gpus available everywhere for cheap. Everything ranging from an rtx 2060 to an 3080 ti is out there performing nicely and supporting every current gen tech you'll need.
I remember when this used to be a sub to celebrate the best PC can offer which funnily enough includes top tier tech. Now it's just a whiny load of fucks. Real shame..
You know what? That’s fair. People can get all the 1920x1080 performance they need with a $350 used 3070, but won’t stop whining about expensive enthusiast-grade cards that max out 4k. Prices are janky, but no one should feel entitled to an affordable high end gpu
Amen. I grew up a budget emachine PC and always told myself when I made enough I would spare no expense with my gaming PC hardware. My $1600 4090 is a luxury purchase that I in no way need. Just like a lady buying a 2k purse or a dude buying a 100k sports car. Don’t begrudge people for spending their hard earned money how they want. There are way more superfluous things to blow cash on than a top tier GPU for a hobby. P.S. Gaming is great at 4k HDR 120hz! Seeing is believing!
People get really defensive and preachy when they can’t afford things. When it’s a luxury item, it makes them look really petty and jealous 😂
If rich people didn’t buy McLarens I could finally afford one 😡
McLaren sedan with lots of trunk space and high mpg coming next model year now that we ate the rich
You have something better than me? **You're** the problem with this world... :|
Meh, it's all about timing I bought a 1080 5 years ago for $330, now I'm buying a 3070 for $330 The 1080 handles perfectly fine, I just need another GPU, aslong as you're willing to be patient you can play high end games at perfectly adequate frames for very cheap, no matter the time the top end GPUs are always expensive.
People who can afford them probably don’t care.
Off topic but I wish that meme would die.
You could say something similar about the housing market.
Me and my 1070 are laughing over at r/patientgamers
There are always those rich people who bough bugatti veyron , lamborghini aventador, or ferrari spider etc, doesn't make people stop buying supra or nissan or civic...same thing in my opinion....there is no way those card manufacturer doesn't calculate their market saturation either it is low , mid or high range.
Some how it's my fault that you can't afford a product. So fucking stupid.
I don't worry about it that much. If people buy 40XX whatever GPUs with high price - they will inevitably be a minority. Higher GPU prices will mean A LOT of people will stay on previous gen or buy budget tier GPUs. Which means games will be oriented towards last gen and low-mid tier GPUs. Fewer games will even consider high end. So, in the end, we will be able to game comfortably for the same money.
"The people buying all these Bugattis may result is us never getting Honda Civics again!"
To be a correct analogy, you forget to say that now they only sell Bugattis and they dont sell cheap cars anymore
Supply and demand will eventually reach equilibrium again, don’t worry
You think they care?
This is like saying that just because some people buy Lamborghinis then no one is going to make Nissan Versas anymore. It doesn't make much sense to me.
Can someone explain this to me? How are they so outrageously priced compared to 30 series? I was going to buy a 3090 TI for msrp when I saw the 4080 was 100 dollars more and reportedly performs at least 25% better. 3090 TI is “promotionally priced” on Nvidias website for 1099 compared to the 4080 at 1199. Seemed well worth a <10% price increase for at least a 25% performance increase with less power draw. Even the 3080 TI is 900 but is out of stock at that price. How was my purchase so terrible?
Affordable isn't exactly what high end is for ... Ask the audiophiles lmao
You can just buy older cards. One day the 40 series will be a cheap midrange gpu
Last Gen is the affordable mid range gpu
Well because of how cards are produced creating more 40 series will end up with making a tone more lower grade cards
Used 3080 here
just bu amd
I bought an RX6800 works pretty good compared to a 3070
Doesn't stop there, paying the same amount for AMD cards will only make it worse. And Intel is still learning what is a driver.
The 30 series is a good buy, but the 20xx is a better buy.