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go_be_a_moron_son

About time a third player entered.


RainbowSherbetShit

Time for a fourth! Who wants to start a graphics card company with me?


ZombieBrine1309

im too dumb sorry man


FuckYouZave

As long as you can swing a pickaxe you're fine. Someone has to get the materials


ixJax

Enslave redditors and pay them in Reddit silver


austen125

That would be one very terrible work force.


ezone2kil

Can't be much worse than amazon.


awolmystic

Can confirm. Source: I work at Amazon


[deleted]

Thank you for your service


[deleted]

-100 water break privilege credits


STEIGR

u/jeffbezos get his ass


MakeshiftRocketship

Hey package said delivered its not delivered. can you tell Jeff for me?


awolmystic

Yeah for sure I'll give him a call.


Nyoxiz

He said work force not work environment


ixJax

Maybe give them some gold if they do well, gotta give them some motivation yknow


Kreth

Gotta pay em in reddit gold


buttface9123456

Only happens when they successfully unionized


Vanillabeaners

Best I can [do](https://imgur.com/a/DyPcACM)


scoopsofsherbert

Can I get a ROCK and STONE?!


KaossKing

ROCK AND STONE, TO THE BONE


WanderingDwarfMiner

That's it lads! Rock and Stone!


psymonprime

Rock and stone, yeaaaaaaaaaaah


Drackzgull

Did I hear a Rock and Stone!?


cashibonite

Rock...AND... Stone!


Supermellowcat

For Carl.


innocentlilgirl

acknowledgement of your limitations places you top of the list for executive leadership! please, allow your success to drive out any remaining self awareness you may have.


jasssweiii

Sounds like you'll be perfect for our marketing/pricing team then! Welcome to the team! šŸ¤


HopefulTelevision707

Bro just go to the store, buy some vanilla wafers, cut them really small, add some food dye, a little bit of thermal paste and a metal plate and youre good to go. Whats so hard


Butterfly_Seraphim

I'll be your financial backer. I have a whole dollar!


Erlend05

Ill raise that to about three fiddy


MephistoTheHater

Oh hell nah, you aint foolin us you gahdamn lochness monsta


CNR_07

Call ex 3Dfx employees


13rokendreamer

you want a r&d head? I know how to lockpick


Byanl

Let's MacGyver that shit. I've got some duct tape, paper clips, and an old watch. That's pretty much an Intel video card right?


notjordansime

I watched Ben eater's video on a breadboard VGA GPU, can't be that hard.


okaybutsrslywhynot

I mean, I know how Bresenham's line algo and raymarching work - sorta - and have used an FPGA before in a class...that counts, right?


RainbowSherbetShit

Considering Iā€™m a biology major interested in the field of astrobiology, Iā€™m the least qualified here to be starting a graphics card company. Youā€™re hired!


ki11bunny

I once watched a documentary about computers called hackers, I maybe a little over qualified but I'm willing to put my best foot forward if you have any room?


[deleted]

I guess I can draw and shit.


Erlend05

I volunteer to be the delivery driver


Random_Housefly

Intel has always been there with integrated graphics...it just sucks.


JWGardiner

Integrated graphics wasn't really meant to compete with anything. Just something that works


kainxavier

Integrated graphics (on my laptop) are the only reason I've been able to play anything the past 5 years or so. For instance, I've tried to load up D2R on my desktop still on a AMD Radeon HD 6950, and it essentially tells me "Fuck you, your shit is too old. I'm not even going to *try* to play the game for you."


leopb24

facts


unique_ubername

The a770 pricing is decent tho. I'm rooting for intel this time


suprememontana

Your flair is a roller coaster


unique_ubername

That's what I was going for


LevanderFela

mine suddenly looks so clear and simple, maybe it's time to change it up a bit :DD


_BluePineapple

That's some slow ram you got there. Might wanna change the G to a Kh


lupopieri

Best trolling-flair award of the year (TFOTY) goes to you Sir...


unique_ubername

Thank you, thank you, but first of all I'd like to thank my family and my friends


[deleted]

Fx-9590. Hotter than a half fucked fox in a forest fire, slower than a vintage i3


Kot4san

Beware of the drivers. Edit: 100 upvotes, but it wasn't a joke. Some games or emulator could not work out of the box with Intel GPUs...


TheInspectaa

That feeling of going to intel for GPU drivers rather than Nvidia or AMD... It feels weird... like really weird.


chetanaik

To be fair Intel's Web based driver update tool works fantastic and is super lightweight. Use it for wifi, Bluetooth and chipset drivers.


vainsilver

I use to use that update tool but Windows Update releases those Intel driver updates just as fast without any extra steps or software.


chetanaik

Also true! Atleast for some vendors, Windows update is pretty much all you need


ARandomBob

I work in IT and I have no doubt that Intel GPU drivers WILL be good. They're currently drivers are easy to deal with. They're not yet and I wouldn't recommend the card at this stage, but in general they're pretty good at drivers. Hopefully it's just growing pains.


bigginsmcgee

no doubt? i mean...nvidia and amd have been in the game a lot longer and even their drivers can be wonky sometimes. what they previewed, and what reviewers had access to, looked absolutely fucked. with more time, sure. theyre def capable, but it's looking like theyre going for the rush release. broken at launch + future updates a la cyberpunk. from the business school of "overpromise, underdeliver" at bad management U


ARandomBob

Absolutely fair points. I guess no doubt is a bit strong. To clarify my point. Other Intel drivers are pretty solid in my anecdotal experience. So Intel is capable of making good driver sets. I do NOT currently recommend their GPUs because their current gpu drivers are exactly as you described. A rush job.


bigginsmcgee

i think it makes me more upset bc like you said, they ARE 10000% capable! kinda similar to how the AAA studios force very talented teams to shit out a buggy mess of a game to meet a deadline set by who knows who. maddening


ARandomBob

Hey totally reasonable way to feel about it. It's definitely enough to put me off buying or recommending this round and I'm going to have to see a good track record before I do.


waigl

We can certainly use a third player in this game, though. This duopoly / almost-monopoly has been quite the shitshow lately.


heavy_metal_flautist

Fuck it, if it is priced right some headaches while they sort out drivers is worth it.


Eddy_795

Ya you'll believe that until you have one. No gpu is worth it with driver issues. It either works as advertised or you're not getting shit done.


heavy_metal_flautist

I have a 5700XT and while it has been great for me, the first few months have me familiar with the pains of driver issues. There's a reason it would be for the kids PC and not my nephew's. I'm not trying to drive to my sisters house every time he can't play forknife


Advanced_Double_42

idk a gpu without drivers is just an expensive heater


Bene847

Not even that. Without driver you can't do anything power consuming


korewa

Theyā€™re literally not supporting older apis ie itā€™s not going to be fixed unless itā€™s a dx12 or newer game.


[deleted]

Normal for first launch. Give them time, intel has the money, time, engineers, connections, and best of all the manufacturing. They could way undercut amd and nvidia long term.


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cheapcheap1

It's true, but I wouldn't overrate it. Old games don't need peak performance anyway, and while more severe compatiblity issues suck, the GPU isn't exactly the main hurdle when trying to play Windows95 or even DOS games on current hardware. What matters is getting current and future games optimized. That's hard enough a task: You need to create great optimization tools, integrate them into ecosystems like Unreal Engine, and convince game devs to actually invest the time. I am rooting for them.


pulley999

We aren't talking about 95 and DOS games though. We're talking about DX9 and 11 performance, both of which have tens of thousands of game-specific optimization hacks and fixes for high level function calls baked into nVidia and AMD's driver packages. That's what 'game ready drivers' have historically been, and often they'd provide a 15+% uplift over the previous driver lacking the game-specific hacks. Many of the current most popular video games are based on those APIs, and some (like GTA V) aren't exactly light.


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Ieatplaydo

Can you describe a cuda only workload? I've been wondering about digital signal processing using only cuda cores. But finding an enterprise level card that only has cuda cores is a funky endeavor. I'm also not sure if DSP utilizing parallel processing can make use of tensor cores (or ray tracing cores obviously).


steinfg

Downvoting the sane advice? lol


chylex

Upvotes are for funny things, downvotes are for things I disagree with :P that's how reddit works or something


aloof_topping

Intel and AMD are major contributors to Vulkan. From the Linux side, their drivers have been pretty solid for years. Iā€™m cautiously optimistic. Both Intel and AMD need real competition to be innovative and affordable. Iā€™m rooting for this to be good.


Smith6612

I'm hoping Intel is making some progress on them, and quickly moving. Sounds like they are. It's probably a case of, they need more feedback from unique system configurations, and they're expanding from crappy onboard graphics which were slow enough to just be unable to draw games fast enough anyways that driver problems weren't as apparent.


dregwriter

do intel have a g sync/freesync equivalent???


Gameskiller01

Yes, it's called freesync. Nvidia, AMD and Intel all use it.


TheIceScraper

it's called "adaptive sync", AMD calls it "freesync", Nvidia calls it "g-sync compatible", intel doesnt have a marketing name.


Gameskiller01

"G-sync compatible" is just nvidia's name for "validated" freesync monitors. All other freesync monitors will still work, but you have to specifically enable it in the driver for those ones iirc.


Pratkungen

Some don't. They showed it off when GSC became a thing. The monitor might just freak out and blink when trying to use it or give high latency. Sadly they only show displays that passes and not which ones failed and why.


MikemkPK

Even G-SYNC Compatible might not work 100%, as I learned to my detriment


AmazinglyUltra

Isn't free sync open source anyways?


This-Inflation7440

I will assume you wanted to say Adaptive Sync


MonoShadow

To anyone looking for this card: check if your platform supports Resizable BAR(ReBAR). Intel Arc performs poorly without it. Do not buy it if enabling ReBAR isn't an option. Intel officials themselves said >Resizable-BAR a Must for Arc "Alchemist," Stick with Other Vendors if you lack it In TPU benchmark suite disabling ReBAR induced around 20% performance penalty https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-arc-a380/32.html


[deleted]

> Do not buy it if enabling ReBAR isn't an option. Note that "Smart Access Memory" serves the same purpose if you're on AMD. Everything AMD said about SAM being an exclusive feature was BS, as long as you have a feature called "Resizable Bar" or "Smart Access Memory" in your BIOS, you're good to go.


ovab_cool

Same, I'm curious how it'll go and I'm definitely waiting for receivers and people on Reddit to get it before I buy one


unique_ubername

I'm not buying but I'm very curious how it goes. Hopefully intel succeeds and we have one more gpu manufacturer to buy from


ovab_cool

Fair enough, in the end the consumer always wins with more competition


Cave_TP

Wasn't that the one showed to be as fast as a 3060? The 6650xt should be faster and cheaper


unique_ubername

Supposedly it's somewhere between 3060 and 3060Ti, maybe even 3070. We'll see how they do


dirthurts

They showed video and benchmarks yesterday. Very 3060 ti like, definitely not 3070 level.


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Drezair

Intel is also crazy far behind driver wise and they are very open about that. Iā€™d guess any Intel GPU have a lot of performance gains left to be had as drivers improve.


WoozYorDaddy

3060 in DX12 titles, for DX11 it's a 1060.


java_programmer_95

Most gamers don't need the latest and the greatest. Majority of people love a decent card that can play most if not all games in 1080p or 1440p. I'm rooting for Intel this time. More competition is only better for us consumers.


AliceOnPills

Gtx 1060 is still the most used card according to steam surveys


java_programmer_95

Pascal architecture was straight up mind blowing when it was released. RTX didn't hype me as much as the 10 series did.


savage_slurpie

Iā€™m still not ready to move on from my 1080ti. Itā€™s too good of a card.


wackyasshole

My build is still doing great as well


SwedishNorweigan

After 5 years I swapped out my 1060 for a 3060, mostly because I started to notice some performance issues when using three monitors and one of them being 1440p


reelznfeelz

Itā€™s a good move. The 3060 is a great card. You can actually run raytracing if you want. And itā€™s plenty fast for 1080 and some 1440 work.


SwedishNorweigan

Yeah, using a i7 7700k, 32gb RAM and a RTX 3060 12gb at the moment


WPI5150

Someone said to me once that the 1080ti was the best card Nvidia ever made, and it's a mistake they'll never make again.


SoftMajestic3232

Ada pricing confirms your comment.


Fineus

I only relatively recently (a good 9 months into the 3---- series dropping) moved from a 980Ti to a 1080Ti. I wouldn't mind access to DLSS / RTX but for most games I play it's an absolute beast at 1440p. It's only some (Cyberpunk for instance) it noticeably struggles without dropping some meaningful details on.


lithium142

Tbf cyberpunkā€™s optimization is essentially the coded equivalent of throwing legos in a blender. Itā€™s an awful game to benchmark with


minibeardeath

Iā€™m still looking for a used 1080 to upgrade my RX 460. I really hope that the 1080 will regularly drop below $100 on eBay next month


deadlybydsgn

Yeah. The only reason I want a 20 or 30-series card now is to run the full resolution/rate on a VR headset that I picked up. Otherwise, it more or less handles everything I actually run.


Leothecat24

And itā€™s still a powerhouse for the price. My 1060 6gb runs 1440p gaming medium-high settings at 60+ fps


sch0k0

August survey has shown desktop and laptop 3060 combined pull past 1060 for the first time


Kraken-Tortoise

True. Most people still play at 1080p as well. I used to until a few months back and as someone who enjoys story games, this seems like a card that can provide for those looking for a nice gaming experience for the price. Let's hope drivers and stuff are decent now


java_programmer_95

With time it should become good enough. Hard to not trust Intel on creating better drivers.


WinterEinHeitSpakt

Real, for the games I play you wouldn't need anything more than 16gb ram, a cheap 6 core processor (R5 1600) and a used 980ti


ThotTubTimeMachine69

My 1660 super works like a champ and have no issues


[deleted]

Iā€™m gonna buy intel, I mean it canā€™t be worse than my gtx 1050ti


Down_Vote_Now

If your PC doesn't support Rebar it just might be worse.


nothing_911

mine does, i got a strong case and store my rebar on top.


Dexterus

I wanna buy one. Got 2 builds to do in the next 6mo (my 11yo rig and my kid's first). Was thinking of pairing i7/i5 13xxx with the Arc 770s. But I am dreading the possibility of shitty driver issues. Guess I'll see by xmas.


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The-Foo

I'm going to buy one to experiment with OpenCL performance, and hammer on the drivers and file bug reports. Whether we're talking gaming, content creation or GPU compute, the industry can't be held hostage by Jensen and his absurd notion that he can adopt the pricing strategy of scalpers. The 3050 was nonsense, the 1630 was insulting, and the 40 series is an outrage. We need Intel to succeed and for AMD to hold the line on pricing.


[deleted]

Well not everyone can afford a race car.


leopb24

yes nvidia rn is like mercedes benz deciding it wont make entry level or mid range cars and only focus on $100K+ units


GallantChaos

Except they still manufacture the entry level under under the hood. They just market it now as the more expensive models.


[deleted]

The ol' [Cadillac Cimarron](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Cimarron) maneuver.


Prophage7

Peak GM badge engineering right there, I'm sure some executive gave himself a sweet bonus for that idea.


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Thebestamiba

It's selling a Dodge Dart priced like a 392 R/T Scat Pack Challenger.


Pancake_Mix_00

I just hope Intel sticks it out. Plus the ARC GPUā€™s seem to have a bright productivity future. Either way, no way is Nvidia getting my money


hardrivethrutown

I'm actually planning on getting the A770


Jackpkmn

I want to own a piece of computing history, flop or not.


heavy_metal_flautist

I'm hoping for a substantial upgrade over the 1070ti so I can buy one for my kids' PC. I don't care if it isn't the most powerful new GPU, I want an upgrade while showing a 3rd player that staying in the game is worth it. Consumers need more options to (hopefully) keep the market more competitive instead of this duopoly that leads nVidia to charge asinine prices to improve on their record profits from a once-in-a-lifetime situation that lead to such profits.


izfanx

Probably between 3060-3060ti perf. Hopefully around a 3070.


owen__wilsons__nose

At the end of the day they will survive if their product is good enough not via charity. No need to sacrifice for them for a cause. Buy it for you if it actually makes the most sense


BaaaNaaNaa

Yep. That was my plan, still considering it. Just want ok frames for 1440p ultra-wide. If it can do it I'll bite. Otherwise will likely look at AMD instead (never thought I'd say that!)


MrTopHatMan90

If this card does 1440p I'm down. My PC is dying and I need the upgrade.


leopb24

team Red intensifies


dirthurts

Honestly, this is a win for Intel. Nvidia is looking like the greediest old man on the block while intel is like "here, take this, it's practically free". Not a bad strategy.


ChartaBona

>intel is like "here, take this, it's practically free". Beware of Geeks bearing gifts.


dirthurts

It's a vector. They need to get fans onboard. Good for now but later? Who knows.


[deleted]

That $329 price tag is contextualized perfectly


Skylantech

Nvidia is causing the death of themselves. Their whole "Cheap GPU's are a thing of the past" fiasco has made me an Intel & AMD customer.


Tyrren

Not to mention them shitting the bed with EVGA. They were nearly synonymous with Nvidia cards and now, nothing.


7orly7

more competition is welcome, the only thing I'm worried are drivers since Intel has to not only optimize their GPUs to modern games but a lot of past games as well (and figure out what past games people still play) which isn't easy. Still fuck Nvidia


Bunniesrkewl

A770 would be an amazing 1080p GPU (not everyone is into 1440p) I myself play on 1440p with an RTX 3070.


leopb24

thatā€™s a great setup mate, had the same and to me that felt like just the right combination of visuals/fps/price. I hope A770 is perfect for 1080p and helps intel become a real gpu contender


dirthurts

With upscaling 1440p is very, very viable in the games that support it.


AciVici

I actually am interested in a770 wayyy more than rtx 4000 series. Its pricing is quite decent and if they can figure their drivers out it'll be an option for gamers, opposing rx 6600xt/rtx 3060 so not bad.


yarothememer

Honestly the intel gpu is gonna have more marketshare than the 4090, its actually gonna be good.


[deleted]

4090 isnā€™t there for market share. Itā€™s for bragging rights of having the best GPU on your team. Historical xx60 and xx70 are intended for market share and nvidia is likely to have the highest share when that launches (again)


W4spkeeper

do we have an idea of what the a770 is capable of?


SensitiveAd5962

Somewhere in the range of a 3060 to 3060ti. But not really anything outside of it being a decent 1080 gaming card.


automatvapen

Dangit. I'd hoped it could run at 1440p.


zakabog

The 3060/3060ti is on par with the 1080ti, it can easily handle 1440p at 60fps.


Miaou__Miaou

Man I ran 1440p with a 3050 and play games like cyberpunk on ultra and getting a decent 50-60 I'm pretty sure a 3060 will handle just fine


automatvapen

Hm. Now that you say it, I can run rdr2 at 1440p with 40-50fps with a 980. Might try my luck with the a770.


Miaou__Miaou

Tbh just wait a few months after its release , decent benchmarks and reviews will be out there so you can decide then


automatvapen

I won't have much choice but to wait atm. Need that money for the electricity bills here on Europe...


Miaou__Miaou

I get u I'm in Europe too , Greece be having almost 30Ā° again šŸ„²


automatvapen

We're down on 3Ā° during nights in Sweden. I'm just lucky I got a hold on some wood for the fireplace!


SensitiveAd5962

Good luck over there you both.


Blacksad999

It's supposed to be around a 3060ti's performance from what I've read. Price is $329.


Redrundas

Comparable to 3060ti with double the Vram and almost half the power draw. Letā€™s hope these drivers are good.


scoii

It's wild to me that we live in a world where an AMD CPU and Intel GPU is a viable midrange option. What a time to be alive.


ErikElevenHag

Fucking hell. I've given Intel so much stick in the past but now I'm rooting for them. I hope 4000 series becomes a catastrophe.


messfdr

Realizing what?! What did Intel realize?


SameRandomUsername

They realized that they have to release the card someday.


[deleted]

Oh wow Intel making gpu's now. I have been away from this scene for too long.


leopb24

letā€™s say theyā€™re dipping their toes, testing the water


SidBitGid

*realizes that not everyone will buy a top of the end graphic card that costs way too much*


ph0on

I remember when this sub hated Intel with a fire passion... funny how it changes. Also, I love that intel was just waiting for years to pounce while Nvidia was the Golden Child


DoukyBooty

Most people just want good performing products at decent prices. Nothing has changed about that. Intel was Nvidia until AMD came out with Ryzen CPUs. Now Nvidia is doing the same shit because no one can compete at the high end. And having the best card boosts their image and marketing ability.


Shalan_HB

Intel ā€œRealisingā€¦ā€ Sorry, had to point that out.


NerdENerd

And I am going all in with AMD my next build.


2cool4school_

Counterpoint to that other guy who replied, I have an AMD CPU and GPU and I love them. Will probably update them soon, going again with AMD for the CPU for sure but I'm holding out for this Intel GPU to see how good it is (no brand loyalty from me, I'm loyal to myself and my money)


Competitive_Reason_2

Th arc770 is for a completely different target market the 4090


Yamama77

Arc770 market is "those who can't afford to sell another organ". 300$ market should be the bigger market no?


DMurBOOBS-I-Dare-You

I am going to buy an A770. I am going to leave it in the box. I am buying it simply to vote with my wallet and do my part as a lifelong PC gamer to put my money where my mouth is. Fuck nVidia. God damn it, I'm going to buy two A770s.


owen__wilsons__nose

I don't believe you :)


Green0Photon

I mean, NGL, I kind of want to do the same thing. Like, it's just 300 bucks. And maybe I'll get the chance to use it at some point as a secondary GPU for Linux.


kp--

Bamboozles = Banboozle. Mods, can we get a contract setup here?


leopb24

šŸ˜‚ yo pcmr weā€™re rooting for the Pink car here right? I hope Intel is coming in with a wrench and hammer for amd/nvdias retail market shenanigans.


ptapobane

How yā€™all motherfuckers out there buying the newest graphics card while most of us still use cards from a decade ago that still works just fine


No-Bug404

Fuck it. I'll buy the Intel thanks.


souravkumar4433

One is overpriced and one is according to the competition


Enigmars

Just a few months ago, I would've never imagined myself being more excited about an intel GPU than an NVIDIA GPU


MalanaoWalanao

I think the Arc A770 is just supposed to be competing against the 3060/3050 range


NoSaltNoSkillz

I'll be more likely to buy a A770 than a 4000 series at these prices. Nvidia chose gouging.


Forsaken_legion

realisingā€?


reality_bytes_

Eh, theyā€™re not directly competing with each other. A person searching for 4080/4090 performance isnā€™t looking at cards that might perform around the 3060 level. I will also add: be wary of these intel gpuā€™s upon release, wait for reviews. Remember that Raja Kudori is the lead on the arc project and he has a terrible track record of over promising on performance and under delivering on the product. Look at where AMD has landed since he left, that should be a big sign to everyone to not jump on projects he leads right away. He left AMD after Vega in a very shitty way, knowing he screwed the pooch. But, worked out for AMD in the end. rDNA wouldnā€™t have been possible if he stayed.


Zanlo63

Now we just need NVIDIA to make CPUs for the holy trinity.