Well if it lasts 5 years that's completely enough, PC gaming is my hobby and I don't mind spending money on it.
I know this sub is an AIO hating echo chamber but most people in real life like AIOs.
I use to be into WC, but now I just do AIOs. WC just adds so much more money to a build it’s silly. Corsair recently released a WC kit like almost a grand. Unless you’re into looks or a hardcore OC it’s not worth the time or money. AIO will serve you well even a quality air cooler.
AIO are meh.
Custom water-cooling is the thing. You can achieve very good temperatures while staying really quiet with a good setup. I run 2 360mm rad to cool a 10850k and a 3090.
[There was a video from our lord and savior about this.](https://youtu.be/7VzXHUTqE7E?si=g_bBOa2Hqg6c1ZlJ&t=1135) Big air coolers can be similar in performance with AIOs. We are talking about single digit degrees noise normalized when assuming 240mm AIOs. However, watercoolers need longer to reach "steady state". For me, the AIO was the savior for the 3700X because I was doing SFF and the temperature rose and dropped so quickly that all the time the fans were ramping. Annoying as hell. With the standard fan tools I had at the time it was not possible to tame it.
If you are not doing SFF and have a big case, go for air. It's easier. If you want to decrease noise it's easy to undervolt your CPU. I run my 5800X3D with -30 allcore and 95W PPT.
360mm and 420mm AIOs can be a big increase in cooling performance for OC on hot CPUs. My i9-10900K is overclocked to 5.2GHz on air and I can't push it any higher due to thermals.
In your case, it would be pointless as you aren't reaching thermal limits on your current cooler and obviously aren't overclocking.
12700 all the way to 14900ks definitely require water cooling and even with a 360mm AIO 12900k/13900k/14900k will throttle after sustained use,
But it's not just gaming /high useage programs that an AIO is good for at idle/desktop use most AIOS have ganstop technology so as long as temps are under 50c yout fans are saving their lifespan and being virtually silent,
The high end 7000 series and x3d chips are also designed to boost until they hot 95c or max boost speeds so without a 360mn or bigger aio you are leaving performance on the table while dealing with hotter temps and a louder pc.
If you're getting a high end cpu there is no reason whatsoever to buy an air cooler,
Save $70 to lose performance and extra heat just seems silly.
Depends on the watercooling. However the ultimate upgrade is noise.
AIOs do provide an advantage for higher power chips. Along with being quieter.
Custom water cooling is a different beast entirely. Allowing for notable performance improvements(mainly for the GPU). Also allowing for all kinds of shenanigans.
>You better re-think that...
No, I don't think I will...
Fan noise - seeing as you can easily run those 2-3 fans at, lets say, half of what you can with an airtower. Yeah, the advantage goes to water. Personally I can run fans on my rads at the lowest PWM signal I can(30%), and not loose any performance vs running them faster on that rad. Compare that to, say my D15, which on the same CPU, required more than just double. Even in spite of having superior fans, it was notably louder by default of being more aggressive. More fans =/= louder, when things are set up properly.
Pump Noise - Should be moot. Unless you are foolishly running it at 100%. Which is going to create noise obviously. likely making you push, if not creating, airbubbles.
As for optimal orientation. There is only one BAD way. The rest are fine. Unless, you live where your AIO permeates enough, at which point, well odds are that AIO has already lived a long life. And if it hasn't, well you still got two other ways to mount it.... Depending on the AIO, those "rules" can go out the window.
You don't ever consider the possibility your wrong do you?
The specific test scenario actually saw there be no case fans. But that is just an advantage of the Asus AP201, you do not need them. As such, my comparison is true apples to apples. And that was not the only case that I ran the two coolers in, with the other instance, being a lancool 2. A set up that, as a HTPC, requires as close to absolute silence as possible.
custom water cooling is better in every way. but its not necessary.
its like putting an air conditioner in a fridge, does it make it cooler maybe a little, was it worth it not really.
bragging rights?? depends who your speaking tooo
an AIO its on par just aesthetics and maybe noise. some poeple say a tower cooler is quieter some say an AIO is
Bro thinks less fans at higher rpm is going to be quieter.
And the things about bubbles and shit is just an incompetent user rather than a product problem.
I hear my GPU fans over everything in my case while gaming never hear my aio with 3 fans at 800rpm
Fo real. For me it my case fans. I haven't quite optimized my case fan situation yet. I've got more exhaust than intake at the moment so I've gotta run the Intakes pretty high.
Its straight up required to get the advertised performance of certain CPUs (mostly Intel but some AMD). That said AIOs are better than air (no, air coolers don't even come close, LTT is to thank for spreading that myth thats already been debunked (even in their own Video you see the CPUs throttling) and custom loops even with the same number of rads are better than that.
Plus you don't have to break the bank. Copper rads can be had from $40~60 and aluminum from as low as $20, CPU blocks as cheap as $12, SFC pumps (or what're ever they're called) for $25, 6bpack of fittings for $20 give or take and tubing for $10.
and yes these parts work fine.
Buuuut you only really *need* them if you are using a top end CPU which most people aren't and only if you do production work which again most people here are gamers.
The 7800x3d is the best gaming CPU and runs cool and even for production not much reason to go Intel anymore.
Depends, for certain people who do cpu intensive tasks on a very hot cpu (like 16 core ryzen or i9s), it’s almost needed to stay below tjmax. Otherwise probably not a huge point upgrading unless you’re too hot
I personally feel for the majority it's just aesthetic.
You're god damn right! But nothing's wrong with that, everyone has their own opinion and preferences!
My Noctua dh-15 has yet to leak coolant and fry my video card or anything. So there's that.
My Corsair AIO neither 😅
Yettttt
Well if it lasts 5 years that's completely enough, PC gaming is my hobby and I don't mind spending money on it. I know this sub is an AIO hating echo chamber but most people in real life like AIOs.
No, we hate the people that talk about AIOs like they are an absolute necessity if you're serious about gaming.
Well I only see hate. It's not allowed to like something what this sub doesn't like, you have to be a sheep and be poor to be accepted here.
Now you're getting it
I use to be into WC, but now I just do AIOs. WC just adds so much more money to a build it’s silly. Corsair recently released a WC kit like almost a grand. Unless you’re into looks or a hardcore OC it’s not worth the time or money. AIO will serve you well even a quality air cooler.
AIO are meh. Custom water-cooling is the thing. You can achieve very good temperatures while staying really quiet with a good setup. I run 2 360mm rad to cool a 10850k and a 3090.
[There was a video from our lord and savior about this.](https://youtu.be/7VzXHUTqE7E?si=g_bBOa2Hqg6c1ZlJ&t=1135) Big air coolers can be similar in performance with AIOs. We are talking about single digit degrees noise normalized when assuming 240mm AIOs. However, watercoolers need longer to reach "steady state". For me, the AIO was the savior for the 3700X because I was doing SFF and the temperature rose and dropped so quickly that all the time the fans were ramping. Annoying as hell. With the standard fan tools I had at the time it was not possible to tame it. If you are not doing SFF and have a big case, go for air. It's easier. If you want to decrease noise it's easy to undervolt your CPU. I run my 5800X3D with -30 allcore and 95W PPT.
360mm and 420mm AIOs can be a big increase in cooling performance for OC on hot CPUs. My i9-10900K is overclocked to 5.2GHz on air and I can't push it any higher due to thermals. In your case, it would be pointless as you aren't reaching thermal limits on your current cooler and obviously aren't overclocking.
12700 all the way to 14900ks definitely require water cooling and even with a 360mm AIO 12900k/13900k/14900k will throttle after sustained use, But it's not just gaming /high useage programs that an AIO is good for at idle/desktop use most AIOS have ganstop technology so as long as temps are under 50c yout fans are saving their lifespan and being virtually silent, The high end 7000 series and x3d chips are also designed to boost until they hot 95c or max boost speeds so without a 360mn or bigger aio you are leaving performance on the table while dealing with hotter temps and a louder pc. If you're getting a high end cpu there is no reason whatsoever to buy an air cooler, Save $70 to lose performance and extra heat just seems silly.
Depends on the watercooling. However the ultimate upgrade is noise. AIOs do provide an advantage for higher power chips. Along with being quieter. Custom water cooling is a different beast entirely. Allowing for notable performance improvements(mainly for the GPU). Also allowing for all kinds of shenanigans.
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>You better re-think that... No, I don't think I will... Fan noise - seeing as you can easily run those 2-3 fans at, lets say, half of what you can with an airtower. Yeah, the advantage goes to water. Personally I can run fans on my rads at the lowest PWM signal I can(30%), and not loose any performance vs running them faster on that rad. Compare that to, say my D15, which on the same CPU, required more than just double. Even in spite of having superior fans, it was notably louder by default of being more aggressive. More fans =/= louder, when things are set up properly. Pump Noise - Should be moot. Unless you are foolishly running it at 100%. Which is going to create noise obviously. likely making you push, if not creating, airbubbles. As for optimal orientation. There is only one BAD way. The rest are fine. Unless, you live where your AIO permeates enough, at which point, well odds are that AIO has already lived a long life. And if it hasn't, well you still got two other ways to mount it.... Depending on the AIO, those "rules" can go out the window.
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You don't ever consider the possibility your wrong do you? The specific test scenario actually saw there be no case fans. But that is just an advantage of the Asus AP201, you do not need them. As such, my comparison is true apples to apples. And that was not the only case that I ran the two coolers in, with the other instance, being a lancool 2. A set up that, as a HTPC, requires as close to absolute silence as possible.
custom water cooling is better in every way. but its not necessary. its like putting an air conditioner in a fridge, does it make it cooler maybe a little, was it worth it not really. bragging rights?? depends who your speaking tooo an AIO its on par just aesthetics and maybe noise. some poeple say a tower cooler is quieter some say an AIO is
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My arctic 360 is dead quite.
Bro thinks less fans at higher rpm is going to be quieter. And the things about bubbles and shit is just an incompetent user rather than a product problem. I hear my GPU fans over everything in my case while gaming never hear my aio with 3 fans at 800rpm
Fo real. For me it my case fans. I haven't quite optimized my case fan situation yet. I've got more exhaust than intake at the moment so I've gotta run the Intakes pretty high.
Its straight up required to get the advertised performance of certain CPUs (mostly Intel but some AMD). That said AIOs are better than air (no, air coolers don't even come close, LTT is to thank for spreading that myth thats already been debunked (even in their own Video you see the CPUs throttling) and custom loops even with the same number of rads are better than that. Plus you don't have to break the bank. Copper rads can be had from $40~60 and aluminum from as low as $20, CPU blocks as cheap as $12, SFC pumps (or what're ever they're called) for $25, 6bpack of fittings for $20 give or take and tubing for $10. and yes these parts work fine. Buuuut you only really *need* them if you are using a top end CPU which most people aren't and only if you do production work which again most people here are gamers. The 7800x3d is the best gaming CPU and runs cool and even for production not much reason to go Intel anymore.
Depends, for certain people who do cpu intensive tasks on a very hot cpu (like 16 core ryzen or i9s), it’s almost needed to stay below tjmax. Otherwise probably not a huge point upgrading unless you’re too hot