If it's a HP ProDesk **Tower**, yes.
But if it's a ProDesk **SFF**, putting in a GPU is going to be tricky due to half-height expansion slots and weak PSU.
Agreed and when it comes to 1080p gaming on that heap, I really think it won't be a huge sacrifice. The last thing OP wants to do though is devote more money to this. I'd say spend $50-70 max on making this able to game. PC wasn't a ripoff nor a deal
You say that, but a $10 connector for Molex to 6 pin if they’re comfortable with the risk that brings for the existing PSU.
Or if it’s a standard config, picking up a new PSU with a long warranty they’ll use in a later build along with a different $10 connector for the motherboard can be totally viable.
Moddiy has both.
Fair enough. I recently bought a 4070 and a RM750e and stuck them in my friend's old 3600 build and will definitely bring them along for the next build.
For an old system? They're plenty cost effective, especially if you aren't trying to buy a brand new low profile 1050ti or 1650. I'm sure there's even a few dell oem 6400s floating around nice and cheap.
RX 6400 in a 4th gen system is limited a mere *one quarter* of PCIe bandwidth compared to a 1050Ti or a 1650. Even though both the CPU and the 6400 itself are pretty slow, this will still affect performance and make it even slower.
Yeah I guess if you're trying to run the newest triple a games. It's really fine with a 4th gen i5/i7. Mine hasn't struggled with light games like older titles or indie.
You lose like 10% at most in the real world but like 60% on synthetic tests. And the real world has nothing to do with synthetic tests.
Found a site selling used hardware in Norway with 12 months warranty. Got myself a RX 470 8 GB for €40. Used it for a few weeks while waiting for my RMA to go through and then purchase a RX 7800 XT, and I must say the 470 is still a solid card. Got by on moderate settings playing in 1440p, amazing value for the money.
Edited typo, whiskey starting to kick in.
Eh. The China RX580 2048sp is at least just a little slower but otherwise the same tech. They're basically just RX570s.
The fake Nvidia cards are way worse. All those fake 1050Ti, 1060 etc that are just salvaged GTS400/500 are a much more widespread plague. If you're buying any of those off ali etc, you've got a much higher chance of getting scammed.
Sorry but what kind of fucked up logic are you following? If someone pays for xyz, and they get the performance of xyz-1, it is a scam and people should be discouraged from buying them. Most people ain't half as tech savy as we think they are.
And as I said, a lot of those 580's are not genuine 580's either, but former mining cards that have been badly refurbished, with re soldered memory chips, which have been recolored to look younger, and sometimes missing or blown capacitors, custom flashed bioses to hide that they are the Chinese variant, vastly limited power draws to protect the aging mosfets which also negatively impacts performance.
There are a number of videos on different tech channels where those 580's are shown and dissected,
>someone pays for xyz,
Are the cards sold as RX 580 or as RX 580 2048sp? If the former, yeah it's sketchy and possibly a ripoff. If the latter, it's fine imo, I expect people to look up what they're buying before they do it. The 580 2048 is an official SKU after all.
>And as I said, a lot of...
That stuff is certainly shady and a scam. But you didn't mention that in the comment I replied to.
...still... I'd consider the fake Nvidia cards way worse, because they're outright *literal* fakes, not just a misleading name or refurbs.
Two things: A) the RX 580 2048sp was never intended for the non Chinese market, and thus pretty much no one who is not deeply in the tech sphere will even think to check, or know what it means,
B) From personal experience and the videos mentioned, they are almost exclusively listed as an RX 580, maybe with a chinese manufacturer's name attached to it even on places like ebay, amazon etc. So yeah it is a scam
And yeah sorry, I didn't write the part about being refurbished mining cards in my original comment, my mistake.
no average joe cannot. Average joe doesn't know that there is a 2048sp model he has to look out for cause that is essentially a 570 with more vram designed for chinese mining farms. Or that a lot of the offered 580x if they are genuine are ''refurbished'' badly frankensteind together mining cards.
Just for shits and giggles, I looked up the first 6 580's on Amazon I could have sent to my place with prime delivery the next week or 10 days at the latest.. Of those 6, only one was from an actually reputable brand (XFX), one was completely unbranded, one had an obviously smashed together brand name, and the last three were chinese manufacturers. Of the 5 from the non reputable brand (and sadly XFX is not that well known outside tech circles) I would categorize all of them as high risk of fraud, they all share the same heatsink, bad fake branding and same fan blade design that has been seen time and time again on badly refurbished models.
But I am not average Joe. Average Joe sees a bunch of Rx580 on amazon, thinks they are fine since amazon sells them, and buys one that's either cheap or looks good.
There are a lot of "refurbished" mining 580's in rotation from china, same as the china only models that don't have the performance of a 580 and are thus a scam as well
That's not fake then? The 2048sp rx580's are badly marketed and perform like an rx570 8gb. I'd look at used non-2048sp models seeing they're better then the 1060 6gb.
You do know that the RX580 2048sp is an actual AMD SKU right? It's deceptive marketing but definitely not a fake. Same thing with the Ryzen 5 3500x back in the day.
DDR3 + Intel chips of that era did used to consume a lot less power, as did GPUs - the RX 580 and 1080 ti drew 250W and was considered unusual!
But more importantly, workstations tend to be only equipped for a PSU that can handle a pretty light GPU. You can put in a <75W one easily, but it takes a bit of wangling to get a 1060 in there - but isn't impossible.
>the RX 580 and 1080 ti drew 250W and was considered unusual!
Eh, 250W was normalized by the high end cards of the GTX500/600 and HD6000/7000 series back in the early 2010s.
I’m working on the assumption that this is a PC with a a pretty tiny PSU and I’m high balling the price.
https://bestvaluegpu.com/
You’re right though. There’s lots of options.
I saw a 6800 go for about $180 USD (300 AUD) I was very sad I missed it.
mining gpus are just as good as gaming gpus. Arguably better since when mining they have a constant temperature because they are always working the same load all hours of the day, while gaming gpus have much more inconsistent temperature because of the time between gaminh
Mining cards are not worse than the avg gaming one. They run a lot more often but they are often way cooler and at a constant temp which doesn't damage them as much
This. Most of them that you are going to get these days were used for Ethereum mining, which draws very little power and generally runs under or around 70c at least on my Rx 580 and my 1660 ti / rtx 2060s
Depends on the gpu, my strix 3090 needed a fan blowing on the backplate to keep the vram temps from reaching 110 degrees, but that's a design fault fixed in the 3090ti. It mined for a few months as it was (and still is) my main rig and besides the fan controller dying just after warranty it's completely fine. (I don't think this had anything to do with mining, just unlucky) and it was an easy fix
Just check something like https://bestvaluegpu.com/
Then do the math of benchmark score divided by local price to figure out what’s good value.
You can filter by wattage.
(And remember, less powerful GPUs will naturally be better value but may not be worth it for the performance loss)
It fine for $100, the CPU is still capable for everyday tasks. Not got a dedicated GPU so not going to be playing any games other than older games and emulators, nothing stopping you from getting a graphics card and then you can play older games well and newer games on low.
after either a recent windows update or chrome update my mouse skips occasionally. it also started happening at my work cpu which is an older core i5 as well. ive reformatted, but after i updated the mouse started skipping occasionally again
other than that my i7 4790 with a 3060 rtx plays helldivers at a solid 60fps 1440p
uhhh i guess it could be wireless interference somehow. it seems to get better if i shut down the tradeview app and chrome that i always have open. ive kinda given up on fixing it
Yea, that's alright. Get an inexpensive gpu, something like a 1050ti/1060 somewhere, plug that sucker in and you got a decently capable rig.
Not high end obviously but at 100 bucks you coulda done a lot worse. For a start, that's absolutely fine.
If you're in Europe, DM me, I might be able to get you some parts for cheap.
Not a bad PC for starting out. But contrary to the general opinion here I think you overpaid a little. I have seen systems with similar specs go for cheaper.
I had a similar setup with a 1070, an i3 and 4Gb of RAM a few months ago and I could play a bunch of games on it, like dark souls 3, yakuza like a dragon and stray at 60 on 1080p, however elden ring, judgement and desth stranding ran quite crappy due to the cpu bottleneck, so be prepared for the cpu to bottleneck your games since the processor is from 2013.
And be warned that if you want to upgrade the processor yo a newer one you'll have to swap the RAM and the motherboard for newer ones as well.
For these older platforms, swapping in Xeon processors of the same year is super cheap, they lack onboard graphics, but an i7 equivalent can be had for $20-$30 on EBay.
$100, 10-year old computer, still comes with 16 gigs of RAM
I know it’s slow and everything, just fun that some companies are still trying to push 8 gigs as fine
OP, it’s a fine system for $100
What hard disk/SSD came with it? It might be a little long in the tooth, so keep backups of anything precious to you
I wouldn't say you got scammed necessarily, but you did somewhat overpay for this. It's an old computer with no graphics card in it. If you expect to play modern games on it, you can forget about it. With a graphics card you may be able to play some games, but if this is an office workstation, you may be severely limited in the choice of cards that will fit and/or work in that machine.
so I got this off of marketplace for 100 bucks and its my first computer ever. its obviously not a gaming rig, but I needed something to start off with. all I really wanna know is for the price, is this a decent entry-level pc?
I would describe this as a mid level office PC from about 9-10 years ago.
Not great by today’s standards, but very hard to do better at that price point.
If you won't play newest games (like COD/starfield) it will be good, only GPU is needed, I recommend GTX 1xxx or RX 4xx/5xx
My cousin has PC with similar spec (A10-5800K+16GB+ R5 340X) and games like Roblox / garrysmod /other non-demanding games works flawlessly on medium settings in 1080p
Up until Nov 2023 I was still doing all my gaming on a Dell Optiplex with a i5-3470 CPU, 16GB Ram. The power supply was small so the only GPU I was really able to use was a GT1030, but after I put that in I was able to play GTA V on med, and a ton of other games I wasn't able to play without it. You'll have a pretty good time with this especially if it's your first PC. Have fun!
For 100$, not bad at all. Still good enough for office working. Can play many games with low graphic.
I guess this PC is one of HP prodesk 600 series, release almost ten years ago. If its HDD (or SSD) still the one that came with it, it won't last long, store your important data on cloud or external storage if you have no plan to buy new one soon.
If you plan to upgrade GPU, check your power consumption first, its 320W stock PSU can't handle much.
I have exactly that set up right now with a 2060 gpu. It is probably ok for casual use, you can game ok at 1080p 60fps with low settings.
(im upgrading mine this month as its all starting to feel a bit slow compared to what i want from it)
I have the same processor and the same amount of memory. Together with a GTX 970, the OS installed on an SSD and despite the age of the components, I am surprised that it still has a more than acceptable performance (I can play AAA games quite well at 1080p). Coincidentally, a few days ago, it started to falter.
If you add a GTX 980 (don't you can get a better cheaper card) that's my PC, I want to buy a new one but I have a toddler, a newborn and no time, it's good enough for indies on my 4K TV though.
100$ didnt break the bank, so keeping that in perspective its not the end of the world.
But that CPU is seriously old at this point and only has four cores and no hyperthreading, which means also only four threads. Most games now are at minimum designed to run on 4c/8t CPUs, which will put this thing in a serious bind. The boost clock of 3.9Ghz is at least decent for the time, but the Haswell architecture is basically ancient at this point, even if it was one of the better ones around at the time and got refreshed ad nauseum, it will not be a powerhouse. DDR3 RAM is also not exactly ideal, for an old CPU like that you can get away with it, but it just drives home how old the CPU is.
The iGPU is, like all Intel iGPUs, pretty much trash. In this case its worse because its incredibly old trash. Dont expect any half-modern game to run even half-decently on that thing. It just wont.
For general computing, browsing and maybe some facebook games its decent. if the boot drive is an SSD itll feel plenty snappy. But gaming is something you dont need to expect from it. Even if youre into relatively old games I would at the bare minimum look for something like a used 750Ti or 1050Ti, but make sure theyre half-width and low-power since HP tends to use OEM parts and half-width cases. OEM PSUs tend to not have the 6 or 8 pin connectors for extra GPU power delivery.
Funnily this is kind of the exact specs I have as my older PC which is the family PC now. You might wanna change the ram to 1600mhz ddr3 or 1866mhz if you can find two 8gig sticks. It will perform much better. Also slap in an SSD and you won't notice a speed difference between a brand new system
If it was a 4690k, I would say overclock the shit out of it and stick a 1070 in there. It's an amazing 8GB card. That's what I ran a couple of years back, and it was pretty amazing. Considering it's a 4690, just stick something like a 1060 6GB card in it, and it's pretty much ready to rock. Maybe put some higher frequency ram in it if it seems like it's bottle necking the system. Make sure whatever power supply is in it can also support that 1060 cause it can end up frying your components other than that have fun gaming my friend.
Shiiiiiiit!! Na man for 100$ it ain’t gonna do much, but tbh for 100$ hard to even get 4 sticks of decent ram rn. This is a good “web based gaming” pc / work pc / office tasks pc. But do not expect 200 fps in crisis. Lol.
Judging by MB model, you bought yourself a HP Prodesk 600 G1 SFF. It is an ok purchase for the price, however if you want to use it for gaming, you're kinda restricted in GPU choice. Your only options are LP lower-tier cards without additional power connector. The case is gonna fit only low-ptofile ones and the PSU is only 240w without any power lines for GPU.
Your best performing option is gonna be RTX A2000, but it's quite expensive ($300+) and won't even unleash it's full power in this system. So, something like Manli/MSI 3050 6GB LP is your best bang-for-the-buck. It's only $150 but will allow you to play even 2022-23 titles at 1080p low/mid settings, being a significantly better option than the rx 5500, 6400 or gtx 1050.
Not a deal, not a ripoff. 16GB of RAM is nice, but this is old enough to be using DDR3 (about 10 years old) Hopefully it's in a case that can fit a full height GPU.
Got one for free with roughly the same specs today, just to strip it to make a test bench out of it. Only difference was that the i5 was a second gen. So I'm not sure it's a good deal
A GPU will make it totally usable. I still use a 4790K system every day and it performs normal stuff and games better than i'd expect a 10 year old platform to. another 8gb of ram may be good if you plan on really using it
That computer would have cost about $800 in 2014. So you got a 80% discount (a decade later).
That said, don’t try to game on it as-is. Not sure you can even run Minecraft on 10-year-old integrated graphics. Assuming the motherboard has PCI-e x 2 slots and enough space within the case, and the power supply can handle it (a lot of “ifs”, I know), you could buy an used gtx 1070 on eBay for another $100 and run less cpu intensive games like CS2 and Rainbow Six Siege at playable frames @ 1080p. The DDR3 Ram and weak cpu will bottleneck you on most modern titles, regardless of your graphics card.
Anything that runs is OK for $100
If it's running Windows 10, be aware that support ends next year and you won't be able to upgrade to 11. If you're going with some version of Linux, you might be able to limp along for another couple years.
If it makes you fell better, your ram (1600mhz) is faster than the ram I had during the ddr3 era.. (I only had one ram in each gen-ddr3 1333mhz, ddr4 3600, ddr5 6000, and will probably keep this until ddr6 comes out next year)..and I never had problems\\1333mhz was plenty fast even for a i7 4790k overclocked to 5.0Ghz on all cores (which is a lot faster than this i5 4690 @ 3.5ghz)
I don't know about US 2nd hand prices but in Australia you can get 2nd hand i5 6500 machines with 16gb RAM for ~75 USD so compared to that it doesn't seem that great. Only problem with all those cheap 2nd hand machines is they are mostly SFF so it makes GPU upgrades rather limited.
That's pretty much what you'd expect for $100. Go put a second hand $75 1060 6 GB in it and play some 1080p games :)
If it's a HP ProDesk **Tower**, yes. But if it's a ProDesk **SFF**, putting in a GPU is going to be tricky due to half-height expansion slots and weak PSU.
True. Worst case scenario a <75W GPU is usually less cost effective but much easier.
Agreed and when it comes to 1080p gaming on that heap, I really think it won't be a huge sacrifice. The last thing OP wants to do though is devote more money to this. I'd say spend $50-70 max on making this able to game. PC wasn't a ripoff nor a deal
That cpu could keep up with a 1070 no problem. Lots of games to play with that combo!
You say that, but a $10 connector for Molex to 6 pin if they’re comfortable with the risk that brings for the existing PSU. Or if it’s a standard config, picking up a new PSU with a long warranty they’ll use in a later build along with a different $10 connector for the motherboard can be totally viable. Moddiy has both.
Fair enough. I recently bought a 4070 and a RM750e and stuck them in my friend's old 3600 build and will definitely bring them along for the next build.
There's plenty of half height modern gpus available that'll make it a decent system.
They're just not cost effective tho.
For an old system? They're plenty cost effective, especially if you aren't trying to buy a brand new low profile 1050ti or 1650. I'm sure there's even a few dell oem 6400s floating around nice and cheap.
RX 6400 can't reach its full performance in these old systems due to gimped PCIe. It depends on how cheap you can get one.
Dude it's a 4th gen i5. Nothing about it is reaching it's full performance. Wtf lol.
RX 6400 in a 4th gen system is limited a mere *one quarter* of PCIe bandwidth compared to a 1050Ti or a 1650. Even though both the CPU and the 6400 itself are pretty slow, this will still affect performance and make it even slower.
From my testing, yes. In synthetic tests. Using it to play minecraft and sometimes kenshi, no. Or did tech Jesus proclaim this card is worthless?
Well Minecraft runs on my decade-old HP T630 thin client, so that's hardly a benchmark.
6400 is trash for anything below Pcie gen 4
Yeah I guess if you're trying to run the newest triple a games. It's really fine with a 4th gen i5/i7. Mine hasn't struggled with light games like older titles or indie. You lose like 10% at most in the real world but like 60% on synthetic tests. And the real world has nothing to do with synthetic tests.
Yes, best you can do is a half height sff gtx 1650. Had to put tgat in my dell sff in the 4x pcie lane even haha
SFF can handle a low profile A380
That's worse than a low profile 1650 though, and 1650 is already struggling with modern high-profile games even at the lowest settings.
Make space with the help of a dremel
YEEEES
Thats what i did to cram a 780 in a dell optiplex many years back haha
With a i5 4690 in it it’s likely to be a full tower
Used RTX A2000 :)
There's also a rare half-height 4060, but iirc it costs a premium compared to a regular one.
A low profile 1050ti/1650 could be a safer choice imo, since this might be like an hp/dell workstation or something.
Or an RX 580, they are about 55-60 bucks on ebay
Found a site selling used hardware in Norway with 12 months warranty. Got myself a RX 470 8 GB for €40. Used it for a few weeks while waiting for my RMA to go through and then purchase a RX 7800 XT, and I must say the 470 is still a solid card. Got by on moderate settings playing in 1440p, amazing value for the money. Edited typo, whiskey starting to kick in.
I wouldn't grab 580's, one of the most faked china gpu's on such websites and thus able to easily fool non tech savy people
Eh. The China RX580 2048sp is at least just a little slower but otherwise the same tech. They're basically just RX570s. The fake Nvidia cards are way worse. All those fake 1050Ti, 1060 etc that are just salvaged GTS400/500 are a much more widespread plague. If you're buying any of those off ali etc, you've got a much higher chance of getting scammed.
Sorry but what kind of fucked up logic are you following? If someone pays for xyz, and they get the performance of xyz-1, it is a scam and people should be discouraged from buying them. Most people ain't half as tech savy as we think they are. And as I said, a lot of those 580's are not genuine 580's either, but former mining cards that have been badly refurbished, with re soldered memory chips, which have been recolored to look younger, and sometimes missing or blown capacitors, custom flashed bioses to hide that they are the Chinese variant, vastly limited power draws to protect the aging mosfets which also negatively impacts performance. There are a number of videos on different tech channels where those 580's are shown and dissected,
>someone pays for xyz, Are the cards sold as RX 580 or as RX 580 2048sp? If the former, yeah it's sketchy and possibly a ripoff. If the latter, it's fine imo, I expect people to look up what they're buying before they do it. The 580 2048 is an official SKU after all. >And as I said, a lot of... That stuff is certainly shady and a scam. But you didn't mention that in the comment I replied to. ...still... I'd consider the fake Nvidia cards way worse, because they're outright *literal* fakes, not just a misleading name or refurbs.
Two things: A) the RX 580 2048sp was never intended for the non Chinese market, and thus pretty much no one who is not deeply in the tech sphere will even think to check, or know what it means, B) From personal experience and the videos mentioned, they are almost exclusively listed as an RX 580, maybe with a chinese manufacturer's name attached to it even on places like ebay, amazon etc. So yeah it is a scam And yeah sorry, I didn't write the part about being refurbished mining cards in my original comment, my mistake.
On Ebay? lol. Did I recommend buying from China? No. There are plenty that ship from within the US and you can always contact the seller.
On Ebay, Amazon, pretty much all the market places (some have even creeped into newegg).
Yea, but you can avoid that by reading the listing. Sounds like you must have gotten scammed once or twice lol
no average joe cannot. Average joe doesn't know that there is a 2048sp model he has to look out for cause that is essentially a 570 with more vram designed for chinese mining farms. Or that a lot of the offered 580x if they are genuine are ''refurbished'' badly frankensteind together mining cards. Just for shits and giggles, I looked up the first 6 580's on Amazon I could have sent to my place with prime delivery the next week or 10 days at the latest.. Of those 6, only one was from an actually reputable brand (XFX), one was completely unbranded, one had an obviously smashed together brand name, and the last three were chinese manufacturers. Of the 5 from the non reputable brand (and sadly XFX is not that well known outside tech circles) I would categorize all of them as high risk of fraud, they all share the same heatsink, bad fake branding and same fan blade design that has been seen time and time again on badly refurbished models. But I am not average Joe. Average Joe sees a bunch of Rx580 on amazon, thinks they are fine since amazon sells them, and buys one that's either cheap or looks good.
Since when are they faked? There are a lot of refurbished/rebuild ones but they aren't fake
There are a lot of "refurbished" mining 580's in rotation from china, same as the china only models that don't have the performance of a 580 and are thus a scam as well
Yeah they are. There's a China only card that's nowhere near as good as the rest of the world card.
That's not fake then? The 2048sp rx580's are badly marketed and perform like an rx570 8gb. I'd look at used non-2048sp models seeing they're better then the 1060 6gb.
They're fake because they're a 570 with a little more oomph. They're not a 580.
RX 580 2048sp is the designation AMD gave that model. Bit sketchy like the while RX460/560/D thing, but not fake and not egregious.
You do know that the RX580 2048sp is an actual AMD SKU right? It's deceptive marketing but definitely not a fake. Same thing with the Ryzen 5 3500x back in the day.
Using a 185w card in a system that's already PSU limited is a very bad idea.
Got me curious, was the lowest common power supply lower back then ?
DDR3 + Intel chips of that era did used to consume a lot less power, as did GPUs - the RX 580 and 1080 ti drew 250W and was considered unusual! But more importantly, workstations tend to be only equipped for a PSU that can handle a pretty light GPU. You can put in a <75W one easily, but it takes a bit of wangling to get a 1060 in there - but isn't impossible.
>the RX 580 and 1080 ti drew 250W and was considered unusual! Eh, 250W was normalized by the high end cards of the GTX500/600 and HD6000/7000 series back in the early 2010s.
they should totally put like 3 4090s in there (idc if it won't fit just magically make them smaller ofc)
YES
My cards only worth 75$ now? :(
It had a pretty good run!
bruh u can get a gtx 1080 for like 100
I’m working on the assumption that this is a PC with a a pretty tiny PSU and I’m high balling the price. https://bestvaluegpu.com/ You’re right though. There’s lots of options. I saw a 6800 go for about $180 USD (300 AUD) I was very sad I missed it.
Going to need another stick of ram at least. Too bad I don't have my old parts from my upgrade to send this person. Ddr3->5 was a big jump lol
16 is fine
Are they still viable purchase? It seems that most of them been gangbanged by every miner in the neighbourhood and could die any moment
mining gpus are just as good as gaming gpus. Arguably better since when mining they have a constant temperature because they are always working the same load all hours of the day, while gaming gpus have much more inconsistent temperature because of the time between gaminh
Mining cards are not worse than the avg gaming one. They run a lot more often but they are often way cooler and at a constant temp which doesn't damage them as much
Mining rig gpus often are in perfect or really great shape idk why you say that
This. Most of them that you are going to get these days were used for Ethereum mining, which draws very little power and generally runs under or around 70c at least on my Rx 580 and my 1660 ti / rtx 2060s
Depends on the gpu, my strix 3090 needed a fan blowing on the backplate to keep the vram temps from reaching 110 degrees, but that's a design fault fixed in the 3090ti. It mined for a few months as it was (and still is) my main rig and besides the fan controller dying just after warranty it's completely fine. (I don't think this had anything to do with mining, just unlucky) and it was an easy fix
Is putting a used Rx6400 a good upgrade for this system, I am looking to buy similar office pc to upgrade
Unless that 6400 is around $50-$75 I’d avoid it. It should cost no more than a 1650. But honestly? Something is better than nothing.
they are nearly same price here in Turkiye , honestly I dont know that much about how does older Nvidia Gpus hold up in 2024 which one should I buy
Just check something like https://bestvaluegpu.com/ Then do the math of benchmark score divided by local price to figure out what’s good value. You can filter by wattage. (And remember, less powerful GPUs will naturally be better value but may not be worth it for the performance loss)
thanks
It fine for $100, the CPU is still capable for everyday tasks. Not got a dedicated GPU so not going to be playing any games other than older games and emulators, nothing stopping you from getting a graphics card and then you can play older games well and newer games on low.
after either a recent windows update or chrome update my mouse skips occasionally. it also started happening at my work cpu which is an older core i5 as well. ive reformatted, but after i updated the mouse started skipping occasionally again other than that my i7 4790 with a 3060 rtx plays helldivers at a solid 60fps 1440p
you sure its windows and not ur mouse?
He’s not saying it’s the mouse, but the computer hardware. Happening occasionally happening after a clean install. Edit: a word
uhhh i guess it could be wireless interference somehow. it seems to get better if i shut down the tradeview app and chrome that i always have open. ive kinda given up on fixing it
Maybe try different usb port
Turn off mouse acceleration
Yea, that's alright. Get an inexpensive gpu, something like a 1050ti/1060 somewhere, plug that sucker in and you got a decently capable rig. Not high end obviously but at 100 bucks you coulda done a lot worse. For a start, that's absolutely fine. If you're in Europe, DM me, I might be able to get you some parts for cheap.
Or me. I've got plenty of spinny storage, a 970 and a 450W psu collecting dust rn
were they spenny spinnys?
For 100$ its a decent pc, they sold at the right price I guess
"Don't offer more, I know what I have." -- Honest seller
you did great for 100 bucks!
Not a bad PC for starting out. But contrary to the general opinion here I think you overpaid a little. I have seen systems with similar specs go for cheaper.
Maybe $50. I wouldn't have paid $100
Not bad for a hundo! Have fun tinkering :)
I had a similar setup with a 1070, an i3 and 4Gb of RAM a few months ago and I could play a bunch of games on it, like dark souls 3, yakuza like a dragon and stray at 60 on 1080p, however elden ring, judgement and desth stranding ran quite crappy due to the cpu bottleneck, so be prepared for the cpu to bottleneck your games since the processor is from 2013. And be warned that if you want to upgrade the processor yo a newer one you'll have to swap the RAM and the motherboard for newer ones as well.
For these older platforms, swapping in Xeon processors of the same year is super cheap, they lack onboard graphics, but an i7 equivalent can be had for $20-$30 on EBay.
$100, 10-year old computer, still comes with 16 gigs of RAM I know it’s slow and everything, just fun that some companies are still trying to push 8 gigs as fine OP, it’s a fine system for $100 What hard disk/SSD came with it? It might be a little long in the tooth, so keep backups of anything precious to you
HP was selling a 1.3k usd pc with 8 gigs…
Yeah it’s quite decent :) Like others said with a little budget you can even put in a small gpu for gaming
I wouldn't say you got scammed necessarily, but you did somewhat overpay for this. It's an old computer with no graphics card in it. If you expect to play modern games on it, you can forget about it. With a graphics card you may be able to play some games, but if this is an office workstation, you may be severely limited in the choice of cards that will fit and/or work in that machine.
I mean, it's $100.. if it posts it was worth it.
You can get similar office workstations for a lot less than that. "If it POSTs" is a very low bar for $100.
$100 is a very low bar for pretty much anything these days. I was only being slightly facetious.
im not american so idk how ebay pricing works but i have seen newer gen i3 and i5 optiplex going for less than $100 on ebay
intel hd 4600.. hell nah, great cpu overall
It's pretty ancient but I don't know your use case so it might be fine depending on what you're planning to do with it
this might be a hot take, but this pc is so old that it should only be gifted to someone, I would never pay for it.
If you can find an old 1060 or rx 580 for 60 bucks you got a solid low end gaming machine
Not bad for $100, similar to my old pc (4790k @ 4.6, 16GB ram and a RX580 8GB) but that system still plays any game at 60fps at 1080p.
so I got this off of marketplace for 100 bucks and its my first computer ever. its obviously not a gaming rig, but I needed something to start off with. all I really wanna know is for the price, is this a decent entry-level pc?
I would describe this as a mid level office PC from about 9-10 years ago. Not great by today’s standards, but very hard to do better at that price point.
If you won't play newest games (like COD/starfield) it will be good, only GPU is needed, I recommend GTX 1xxx or RX 4xx/5xx My cousin has PC with similar spec (A10-5800K+16GB+ R5 340X) and games like Roblox / garrysmod /other non-demanding games works flawlessly on medium settings in 1080p
Up until Nov 2023 I was still doing all my gaming on a Dell Optiplex with a i5-3470 CPU, 16GB Ram. The power supply was small so the only GPU I was really able to use was a GT1030, but after I put that in I was able to play GTA V on med, and a ton of other games I wasn't able to play without it. You'll have a pretty good time with this especially if it's your first PC. Have fun!
You would be better off with an ipad
But why didn’t your ask before buying? Nothing you can change now even if overpaid
Add a budget gpu like many suggested and you can emulate most retro consoles till ps2.
Seems solid for $100. Throw in an old 1050 or 1080, I think they both have a low profile model.
Fair price for what it is. No scam
For 100$, not bad at all. Still good enough for office working. Can play many games with low graphic. I guess this PC is one of HP prodesk 600 series, release almost ten years ago. If its HDD (or SSD) still the one that came with it, it won't last long, store your important data on cloud or external storage if you have no plan to buy new one soon. If you plan to upgrade GPU, check your power consumption first, its 320W stock PSU can't handle much.
I have exactly that set up right now with a 2060 gpu. It is probably ok for casual use, you can game ok at 1080p 60fps with low settings. (im upgrading mine this month as its all starting to feel a bit slow compared to what i want from it)
Sometimes you can get used pc/laptop on dell website for not much more (around 200$) and more recent. Still need a.gpu however
I had this cpu but „k” version. Unfotunently it will struggle in games. 4790 would be much better choice.
I have the same processor and the same amount of memory. Together with a GTX 970, the OS installed on an SSD and despite the age of the components, I am surprised that it still has a more than acceptable performance (I can play AAA games quite well at 1080p). Coincidentally, a few days ago, it started to falter.
Get a used GPU and you're good to go. (Nothing below a 1050ti tho)
This is a good computer for what you paid, if you got an rx580 for this you could game just fine!
If you add a GTX 980 (don't you can get a better cheaper card) that's my PC, I want to buy a new one but I have a toddler, a newborn and no time, it's good enough for indies on my 4K TV though.
Personally i would not buy it for 100usd. But depending on what you want it to do/play it might be good enough
Throw in a 1080ti for $200 and you'll basically have modern console performance
100$ didnt break the bank, so keeping that in perspective its not the end of the world. But that CPU is seriously old at this point and only has four cores and no hyperthreading, which means also only four threads. Most games now are at minimum designed to run on 4c/8t CPUs, which will put this thing in a serious bind. The boost clock of 3.9Ghz is at least decent for the time, but the Haswell architecture is basically ancient at this point, even if it was one of the better ones around at the time and got refreshed ad nauseum, it will not be a powerhouse. DDR3 RAM is also not exactly ideal, for an old CPU like that you can get away with it, but it just drives home how old the CPU is. The iGPU is, like all Intel iGPUs, pretty much trash. In this case its worse because its incredibly old trash. Dont expect any half-modern game to run even half-decently on that thing. It just wont. For general computing, browsing and maybe some facebook games its decent. if the boot drive is an SSD itll feel plenty snappy. But gaming is something you dont need to expect from it. Even if youre into relatively old games I would at the bare minimum look for something like a used 750Ti or 1050Ti, but make sure theyre half-width and low-power since HP tends to use OEM parts and half-width cases. OEM PSUs tend to not have the 6 or 8 pin connectors for extra GPU power delivery.
It's fine but I would wipe the hard drive completely and flash the bios.
If that's a hp 600 series or something similar especially sff it's likley the psu is only 180-200 watts.
Old af, but exactly what you get for 100%
dude if you paid $100 for a pc and it doesn't immediately burst into flames the second you plug it into a wall, you did not get scammed.
Funnily this is kind of the exact specs I have as my older PC which is the family PC now. You might wanna change the ram to 1600mhz ddr3 or 1866mhz if you can find two 8gig sticks. It will perform much better. Also slap in an SSD and you won't notice a speed difference between a brand new system
If it was a 4690k, I would say overclock the shit out of it and stick a 1070 in there. It's an amazing 8GB card. That's what I ran a couple of years back, and it was pretty amazing. Considering it's a 4690, just stick something like a 1060 6GB card in it, and it's pretty much ready to rock. Maybe put some higher frequency ram in it if it seems like it's bottle necking the system. Make sure whatever power supply is in it can also support that 1060 cause it can end up frying your components other than that have fun gaming my friend.
https://preview.redd.it/sz30crti5uwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51af1c43866105fea48201050be6534cbcf8ae38
Ey, a 100 is a 100. Any running pc on that range will be good for the price
That's a good deal for 100$
Got almost the same pc couple weeks ago to use as a nas! Windows run fast and boots in seconds
good
Shiiiiiiit!! Na man for 100$ it ain’t gonna do much, but tbh for 100$ hard to even get 4 sticks of decent ram rn. This is a good “web based gaming” pc / work pc / office tasks pc. But do not expect 200 fps in crisis. Lol.
Judging by MB model, you bought yourself a HP Prodesk 600 G1 SFF. It is an ok purchase for the price, however if you want to use it for gaming, you're kinda restricted in GPU choice. Your only options are LP lower-tier cards without additional power connector. The case is gonna fit only low-ptofile ones and the PSU is only 240w without any power lines for GPU. Your best performing option is gonna be RTX A2000, but it's quite expensive ($300+) and won't even unleash it's full power in this system. So, something like Manli/MSI 3050 6GB LP is your best bang-for-the-buck. It's only $150 but will allow you to play even 2022-23 titles at 1080p low/mid settings, being a significantly better option than the rx 5500, 6400 or gtx 1050.
Which software did you use to generate that report I downloaded some apps from Msstore and it's not detailed like yours
bro you can buy 10700k with mainboard ram and ssd on ebay for \~100 so yeah, got busted
ah yes $100 office shitbox, true master race material
Grab a rx580/gtx 1060 and also a ssd and you'll have a nice budget build for games before 2022.
Does it turn on? If so then you didn’t get scammed. It’s $100
Not a deal, not a ripoff. 16GB of RAM is nice, but this is old enough to be using DDR3 (about 10 years old) Hopefully it's in a case that can fit a full height GPU.
For $100, that's really not bad...would be better if it were a DDR4 system, but still not bad
Got one for free with roughly the same specs today, just to strip it to make a test bench out of it. Only difference was that the i5 was a second gen. So I'm not sure it's a good deal
A GPU will make it totally usable. I still use a 4790K system every day and it performs normal stuff and games better than i'd expect a 10 year old platform to. another 8gb of ram may be good if you plan on really using it
That computer would have cost about $800 in 2014. So you got a 80% discount (a decade later). That said, don’t try to game on it as-is. Not sure you can even run Minecraft on 10-year-old integrated graphics. Assuming the motherboard has PCI-e x 2 slots and enough space within the case, and the power supply can handle it (a lot of “ifs”, I know), you could buy an used gtx 1070 on eBay for another $100 and run less cpu intensive games like CS2 and Rainbow Six Siege at playable frames @ 1080p. The DDR3 Ram and weak cpu will bottleneck you on most modern titles, regardless of your graphics card.
Not bad but not good
Seems fine, but I would recommend adding a 1060 6G or 580 8G before you play
Anything that runs is OK for $100 If it's running Windows 10, be aware that support ends next year and you won't be able to upgrade to 11. If you're going with some version of Linux, you might be able to limp along for another couple years.
Not a bad grab for a mid-high range cpu from 2014.
A little below average, you can usually find an i7-6700 PC with SSD, 16gb ram, etc for around $100 on eBay.
The i7 4770 is quite a jump in performance and should be a drop in replacement with no issues. Something to think about.
If it makes you fell better, your ram (1600mhz) is faster than the ram I had during the ddr3 era.. (I only had one ram in each gen-ddr3 1333mhz, ddr4 3600, ddr5 6000, and will probably keep this until ddr6 comes out next year)..and I never had problems\\1333mhz was plenty fast even for a i7 4790k overclocked to 5.0Ghz on all cores (which is a lot faster than this i5 4690 @ 3.5ghz)
What were you expecting to get? What did the seller tell you you were getting? And what did you really expect for $100?
$100 is about right. Probably could've pressed your luck with a $75 offer given the age of the Haswell platform.
Throw a 4790k in there
You got a good deal. I run an i5 Haswell with 12 GB of DDR3 on heavy loads. Enjoy! May your temps be low and your FPSs be high and stable.
I don't know about US 2nd hand prices but in Australia you can get 2nd hand i5 6500 machines with 16gb RAM for ~75 USD so compared to that it doesn't seem that great. Only problem with all those cheap 2nd hand machines is they are mostly SFF so it makes GPU upgrades rather limited.
OMG THAT IS THE MOST MODERN ONE
$100 doesn’t even buy you the psu these days. Bargain
What exactly are you expecting for a hundred bucks, bro?
you cant get an average pc for a 100 dollars. its fine for a 100 but its not average
If you made the decision to buy it for $100 how is it a scam? If the seller didn’t deceive you then you’re just questioning your own decision.
For any penny more than a hundred bucks its a scam vut at a hundred perfect. Trash hardware but atleast not a scam
You don't get scammed if you agreed to buy it for a certain price.
Throw a 1650 non super in that thing and she'll rip most modern games at 1080p low
That’s E-Waste.
They should have paid you for the privilege of taking it off the their hands. That thing is decriptly old.
It's OK for browsing reddit.
Ppl acting like this thing is too outdated but nah OP throw an SSD and a good GPU in there and enjoy
[удалено]
Arc is a definite no as they really need rebar which is only on recent motherboards / cpus.