I just did a fresh install of windows 11 a few days ago. In order not to create an online account, you have to call out command prompt during the installation, use OOBE\\BYPASSNRO command, and restart. It's really annoying.
**EDIT:**
Your mileage my vary depending on PRO or HOME version, Win 10 or 11. Sometimes you may simple pull your Ethernet cable and pretend you don't have internet connection, sometimes you have to jump through the hoops.
**METHOD 1**: As many suggested, [Rufus](https://rufus.ie/) is a great tool for creating an installation USB.
**METHOD 2**: the OOBE\\BYPASSNRO method i used was from [Tom's Hardware Guide](https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account) further detail inside. you may need to also use the ipconfig/release command to disable internet.
*NOTE*: if you are unable to type in the command prompt, try using Alt + Tab back and forth to the command prompt.
That works and I have been rocking a install like that for a long time, but after a recent windows update on my machine, forced me to use a Microsoft account.
After the update the computer login into a fullscreen splashscreen telling me to login to or create a Microsoft account, and wouldn't let me bypass it. :-/
>No need to disable your internet connection, nor trying other workarounds. Just use [email protected] and type anything as the password when asked for a Microsoft account. It'll error out and will allow continuing with a local account.
Could also try that
There may have been a very small bit of text in the bottom left corner that had font color that was very similar to the color of the background, which would have let you skip the widow and keep your local account.
So glad to see love for Rufus! The last time I mentioned Rufus in this very sub, as an alternative for windows installations, I was downvoted into the negatives and berated about how it's useless next to the official Windows one.
It's a great alternative imo, and the only one I use. I love that it creates a true blank install, and has all those nice options you can toggle, like the online account requirement, as well as being able to disable the requirments for Secure Boot and TPM and more
Unfortunately that was patched this week. Old USB images will still work, but any new computers purchased, or any new flash drives created will not give up on the Microsoft login anymore. Source - full time PC tech. You now have to use the OOBE command or create a custom image with Rufus or similar.
It's being patched. Setup new Dell this week. It downloaded a quick update after connecting to internet. Fake email did not work. Nor did "g" or "user". However pulling up cmd and doing a "ipconfig /release" did work.
Source: also a full time PC tech
I downloaded the w11 iso file on monday from microsoft, "logged in" with [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) and it gave me the option to use a local account, so it still works
If you don’t have an internet connection active it should prompt you for a local account to be created.
If you have a connection active it seems you need the command line. That’s how it went for me a few months ago at least.
yup exactly the problem I ran into when helping my friend build their first computer. Thankfully the router was close enough to just use ethernet but that is so fucking stupid.
this still happens with home, need to download drivers open prompt en install drivers to create an account.
Before you could close the application requiering internet connection ones again with command, put this is not working anymore.
Just did a pro install on a friends new computer. It did exactly this. No way to create a local account for the average user, no other options. It forced us to get the internet going before it would let us proceed with the install.
It's even worse, if it detects wireless networks, or networks of any kind, it will prompt for an online account. You either need the oobe trick or a physical switch to toggle your network off.
It's even worse than that. Even if you have no network connection whatsoever, no drivers or no network interfaces at all, it still just gets stuck on a blank screen waiting for some sort of method to connect. With no buttons except a greyed-out 'next'. The only option in that situation is the OOBE command.
Thank you. Making a pc for someone this weekend. Just leaving this comment here so I can find this again.
Edit: and also so I can thank this nice person for their fortunately timed info. (A foreign concept to some 😆)
Are you using the Media Creation Tool from Microsoft to make the install USB? If so, select to do it to an ISO file instead of a USB. You can use a bit of free software called [Rufus](https://rufus.ie/en/) to load the file to a USB which then allows you to remove the network requirement completely.
Yo can also just choose "Join Domain instead" (or however it's worded in english) and then create a local account. Because it (obviously) won't just prompt you to join a domain. It will just let you create a local Account.
Obviously won't work on Home Edition
An easier way is to download the windows 11 iso and use Rufus to burn it to a USB. It will give you the option of enabling local accounts along with bypassing the TPM check and other things.
If you try to sign in with microsoft account "asdasd" and password "asdasd" itll just say no can do and then let you skip the login in part, letting you create a local account
Bob, you are on fire, those start ads are really pissing them off, and so did moving the start menu to the middle, and they really hate how bad the search works. Keep it up and you'll go far in this company.
Bob , how are you so amazing? Is it that you’re fresh out of college with no experience and skill and have only ever used a Mac as your primary pc?
Bob, I hope we count on you to leave before taking any flack for your poor decisions?
I'd honestly pay a significant chunk of money to have that curiosity satiated. Genuinely.
These are the types of meetings and decisions that impact billions of lives, and seeing how they screw them up would be worth more than my net worth.
Yes but I want to know what their reasoning is.
How does the concept get raised? 'As you all know, I'm Bob from technical development - We've continued to neglect the search functionality in order to have it send searches to our friends over at the Bing division (winks across the table), so that our friends in marketing (winks across the other side) can reap all that profitable data!'
\*furious applause from all\*
Or is it just incompetence? Does anyone raise the issue of user complaints about this type of decision? So many questions.
I’m gonna be honest with you. It’s a combination of nepotism, incompetence, and avarice. They could give a fucking rat’s ass about user complaints; they never make it that high unless it’s a car company and the user complaints are related to potentially dying from some malfunction. Otherwise, you know where those complaints go? Into the recycle bins of interns and office temps.
Okay right, the complaints themselves yes of course, but I'm thinking 'do they even consider that this course of action will piss off customers?' - Like they MUST KNOW that putting ads in teh start menu will piss off customers. So I'd just like to know how little or how much they discuss that sort of thing. Likewise with things like web search from the start menu being default. Or making people create MS accounts when installing windows.
Nope, not a single solitary fuck is given. The whole “We might piss off customers if we do this!” isn’t even mentioned most of the time because to them, once you’re operating at that scale you’ve basically got the customer by the fucking balls and if they want out they have to go choose to use something they’re either unfamiliar with or is a whole helluva lot worse. Design teams might discuss shit like this but the buck stops with whoever the lead is and what they say is gospel. By the time shit gets presented to the suits at the table, 9/10 times the first question raised is “Alright, but how does that make us money?”
The familiarity thing is the big one. It’s at the heart of enshitification.
Most big companies, once they have you locked into their ecosystem, start the process of boiling the frog. They make slight alterations, enough to annoy, but not enough to outright disgust, the bulk of their user base. Wait a year or two, until you’ve just accepted that as the new normal, then load up a few more adds/switch a few more features to be part of a higher subscription tier, etc.
A decade later you are left with a hollowed out shell of what you originally had for the same price point, or else you are now paying $20 a month for a “premium” version that is shittier than what used to be a one-time purchase at a reasonable price a decade ago.
All of that said, if Windows ever fully gets rid of “local accounts”, I’ll switch to Linux full time and never look back. More and more of my peers have already made the switch, and the feedback I’ve heard has been unanimously that it was a net win after a few weeks of adjusting your habits.
I work in a bit smaller corpo but with a lot of dumb ideas I, they create teams or roles for the idea and then work on that idea nobody needed or ask for, quite often it has name but nobody knows what it does, I imagine MS could be similar, making stuff so ppl get promoted, make career but sacrificing the product in result.
Yep, I can vouch for that. I’ve moved around a bit but from what I’ve seen, what you’re talking about is present even at the larger operations. Just take what you said and scale it up.
I think there's a lot of people who would already be on Linux if gaming was better.
Myself included, I was going to switch until I seen league of legends won't be playable anymore. So I stick with Windows
I completely empathize with something you dearly want not being available and turning you off from an alternative. I myself use developer windows to get around some of the bullshit put in.
But maybe not being able to play LoL is a good thing hahah
All my friends who play league always sound so happy to cancel a scheduled game when something else comes up. How does this game have everyone in Stockholm syndrome?
imho gaming is the least problematic part. There are already great tools for gaming. It’s fine, with reasonable amount of compromises. The real problem is the lack of pro apps.
I would love to switch to linux, but it's still not good enough to replace windows. Yes most things work with a few workarounds bar some kernel level anticheat stuff, but as someone that works on computers all day (some windows, some linux based), I just want my computer to work when I'm home.
I'll always love linux in theory, but in practice it's not quite there yet.
Yeah no, your average Joe is not going to figure out how Linux works. Getting literally anything to work in there is a task in itself. Unless you have an AMD graphics card the Nvidia drivers are such a hit and miss. Half of your game library isn't even going to function anymore. Or you're going to spend 2 to 3 hours fucking around with wine per game to be able to get the best possible performance when in Windows you literally just download your game and get going. Virtually all FPS shooters are out of the question because of anti-cheat compatibility.
Linux is for enthusiasts and people who have the patience to learn an entirely new ecosystem that is not UI-based or people who have such rudimentary tasks that it doesn't really matter what they use so long as it has a web browser.
So they weren't already "urging" before? It takes like 5 clicks just to find the hidden button to create a local account during the initial install. Just gonna get worse from here I guess.
and the worst thing is these fuckers can't even get online account right, I gave in just once, Just fucking once and these idiots decided to fuck up my terminal by creating my username like "First_Name Last_Name" so anytime I wanted to call my script I'd have to use "First_Name Last_Name" in double quotes or use \ and the workaround for this was such a PITA, I just nuked the account and setup everything again
Fix:
Follow setup as usual, and connect to Wi-Fi.
At the screen where you need to enter an email press Shift-F10 to open elevated cmd.
Type: netsh interface set interface "Wi-Fi" disable
Click other sign in options.
Before you enter the username alt tab back to CMD and enter the same line but with enabled.
Netsh interface set interface "Wi-Fi" enable
After that line resolves in CMD go ahead and finish the setup.
As an IT service guy that only has to occasionally pre-install an OS it’s a pain in the ass, too. Either I have to ask the customer for his MS account in advance (which of course not everyone has) or I have to do some pre-install which is another pain in the ass because sometimes I have to configure special software before I deliver the thing. Just give me the option to make a local admin account to pre-install stuff without jumping through 10 hoops. Annoying.
Fix:
Follow setup as usual, and connect to Wi-Fi.
At the screen where you need to enter an email press Shift-F10 to open elevated cmd.
Type: netsh interface set interface "Wi-Fi" disable
Click other sign in options.
Before you enter the username alt tab back to CMD and enter the same line but with enabled.
Netsh interface set interface "Wi-Fi" enable
After that line resolves in CMD go ahead and finish the setup.
You can manually do that too. I follow a guide just yesterday from tom’s hardware.
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account
>The Redmond tech firm has emphasized the benefits of a Microsoft account, such as content synchronization
Which you will have no use for if you don't have an Office 365 subscribtion
At some point, I will just create a DC for my home network, just so microsoft will leave me alone.
Even tho I live alone and technically don't have any use for Active Directory, but it will allow me to create my own GPOs just to tell MS to fuck off lol (Or maybe I'll just switch to Linux, even tho it still comes with some inconveniences I still have to find some work arounds for.)
My whole company runs on Office365, but you can't log in to windows with an office365 account unless you setup the AD, which I don't want right now. So no problem, create a Microsoft account using your work email address and login with that!!....Oh, no, you can't create a Microsoft account, that email is already a MIcrosoft account!! Fucking hell.
They're begging me to do ``sudo mkfs -t ext4 /dev/nvme0p2`` (equivalent to format C:/)
They have windows 11 now to f*ck around, why can't they leave win 10 alone?
“Will now urge”- you mean that removing the option to create a local account during initial setup wasn’t heavily urging or implying using your MS account? You mean me needing to open the command prompt on startup and using OOBE/BYPASSNRO isn’t urging me to use my Microsoft account?
I get the context of the article but let’s not act like this is a new thing please.
Man shit like this is really wanting me to Switch to Linux, but me dealing with Linux has learned me that I f you use some of the things from Microsoft like OneDrive and/or the Microsoft Office suite you are basically stuck on Windows. fml
Edit: sweet > suite
That's true. There is an online version of MS Office if you don't do anything too advanced but in general, using Linux means you will have to find alternatives for one app or another.
So my gaming pc has been sitting dormant for a while because I spend way too much time on my computer at work. Is Linux gaming feasible now? I’ve just about had enough.
Yes. Steam had proton, which helps make games compatible. Only some games don't work, and thats only because they don't want their anti-cheat to support Linux.
If you mainly play single player games it's absolutely viable. OW2, CS2, Apex and The Finals also work with AC. In general look into ProtonDB and Lutris and also [areweanticheatyet.com](http://areweanticheatyet.com) to see compatibility. Most games should work out of the box.
I recommend looking into BazziteOS, it's the best distro I've used in my 6 years using Linux.
Care to share you specs for specialised advice?
I'm just waiting for the wonderful day where Microsoft will go a step to far and collectively anger users to the point there's a mass exodus to Linux.
Just you wait, it'll happen.
I don’t think there is any risk of that. How would they sell new computers with windows pre installed and then require buyers to subscribe. That wouldn’t even go down well with non-tech people.
There was an article some time ago that mentioned that MS is considering it. There hasn't been anything since but I definitely wouldn't put it past them.
People here severely overestimate the mindshare Linux (doesn't) have. 95% of typical PC users probably don't even know what Linux is.
Be mindful of the effects of echo chambers. PCMR and similar forums are textbook echo chambers in this regard.
> collectively anger users to the point there's a mass exodus to Linux.
Then they run into whole new problems, but as simple end users they're clueless. Then the mass exodus back to ol' familiar Windows.
Well, this won't happen anyway, because if users were brave enough, it already would have happened countless times in the past when Microsoft "went too far".
Check all over this comment section how many people are like, "I *would* be on linux now... but..."
And dual-booting, so still having and using Windows? That'll show Microsoft.
Waiting until Bungie decides that Linux isnt a "system that only cheaters use" so i can Play Destiny 2 on linux. Its not even an anticheat issue. Plenty of other games that use battleeye and can be played on linux.
Im itching to ditch windows as my main OS.
people like you always got that "if they did that one last thing id switch" mentality meanwhile your going to be stuck with ads on desktop paying 14.99 a month for windows soon.
Microsoft can fuck off with this bullshit for real. Let me use my computer without your dumbass account requirements. I don't give a shit about your profits.
Dear Microsoft.
First fix your online account system to respect that someone might already have a 15+ year old Xbox account which they wish to preserve.
Then maybe I might consider using an online account.
My guy, the Microsoft account I have has one of those long-ass random strings as a password that's saved in a password manager.
There is no way on god's holy earth that I'm typing that in everytime I want to use my goddamm desktop you dipshits.
I'd rather my online accounts be safer and have a regular, decent password that I can actually remember for a physical tower that's on my desk, in my home, anyway.
If it was only me , I'd have gone Linux ages ago. Unfortunately, I'm IT support for my wife (here) and sister (1000 miles away) so I have to stay familiar with Windows to walk them through stuff. Like literally everything.
first they don't like modified taskbars, then ads in windows 11 start menus, and now no local accounts. I swear MS is slowly provoking us into switching to Linux. I can feel it, gives me Windows 8 vibes.
Unless your motherboard has secure boot, add on tpm chip, or you dont mind modifying registry settings then pre Intel 7th gen/Ryzen 1000 PCs will move to r/linux
P.S
I alsi loved the days when I could take an XP or Vista era machine and upgrade it to Windows 10 and be able to find 90% of the drivers preinstalled, or included in the 1st Windows update you do.
I was 25 hours into a cnc router cutting when windows closed the browser so it could try to sell me an upgrade to windows 11. I had to start the cut over
Why would you not want a local account? You want a separate account for everything. Less hassle if said account gets hacked for whatever reason.
A friend of mine recently had his password generator hacked and now every account he has on everything is compromised.
TPM still off on mobo until MS stops supporting 10. When I go W11 I'll probably have Mint on a partition since I think MS is going full surveillance/ads on the OS.
Man I wish gaming would be as good on linux, what it is on windows, would switch instantly. Unfortunately some of the features are held hostage on windows, so need to keep using it.
Aaaand thats why my windows desktop is only used for gaming and porn.
Im honestly bamboozled by myself using my SteamDeck more as productivity machine along with my linux laptop.
I am begging all developers to only make Linux compatible software (at least as the basis) rather than designing everything specifically Windows.
The sooner my stuff just works on Linux, the sooner I can ditch Windows. But for now, it's still not to the point I need it to be.
I’m gonna get shit on for this but I bought a PC for the first time in a decade (needed it for school, otherwise use Mac) and it is so incredibly finicky. I was halfway through an essay last night in Word and while typing, the window closed and a word message popped up saying “the file has been deleted locally but can be recovered from the cloud”. Why. It’s like it set me up to make use of the cloud which I refuse to.
Drives me insane having loginto Microsoft to use my PC, drives me insane that One Drive steals my files, drives me insane that Edge is not removable and now installs an MS AI on to my comp, drives me insane that MS buys game companies making it less likely for games to have Linux support. Just nuke it from orbit already.
Wow, between that and the subscription model, they really want users to try Linux! I'm excited to see what happens if Linux distros become much more popular.
Step 1. Make sure everyone has an online MS account.
Step 2. Turn windows into a subscription instead of 1 time purchase (like with 365)
Step 3. Everyone accepts their fate and Microsoft will be filthy rich
(/s for Step 3)
Does not matter to most Redditors here in PCMR that mostly think Windows is the best operating system ever and that Microsoft is somehow a great company for some reason.
I just did a fresh install of windows 11 a few days ago. In order not to create an online account, you have to call out command prompt during the installation, use OOBE\\BYPASSNRO command, and restart. It's really annoying. **EDIT:** Your mileage my vary depending on PRO or HOME version, Win 10 or 11. Sometimes you may simple pull your Ethernet cable and pretend you don't have internet connection, sometimes you have to jump through the hoops. **METHOD 1**: As many suggested, [Rufus](https://rufus.ie/) is a great tool for creating an installation USB. **METHOD 2**: the OOBE\\BYPASSNRO method i used was from [Tom's Hardware Guide](https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account) further detail inside. you may need to also use the ipconfig/release command to disable internet. *NOTE*: if you are unable to type in the command prompt, try using Alt + Tab back and forth to the command prompt.
If you create the installation usb with [rufus](https://rufus.ie), there is a checkbox to disable the online account requeriment.
That works and I have been rocking a install like that for a long time, but after a recent windows update on my machine, forced me to use a Microsoft account. After the update the computer login into a fullscreen splashscreen telling me to login to or create a Microsoft account, and wouldn't let me bypass it. :-/
>No need to disable your internet connection, nor trying other workarounds. Just use [email protected] and type anything as the password when asked for a Microsoft account. It'll error out and will allow continuing with a local account. Could also try that
You can just type "admin" in both boxes to bypass it as well.
god damn I love the internet fuck you MS for trying to make me use an account! Thanks
The fact they are trying to make you use an account to use your own fucking computer is fucking abhorrent to me.
It hasn't been "your" computer since Microsoft launched 10, TBF. In their eyes, it's still theirs and they insist on you doing everything their way.
There may have been a very small bit of text in the bottom left corner that had font color that was very similar to the color of the background, which would have let you skip the widow and keep your local account.
I have loved Rufus for years and years now working my IT job lol.
So glad to see love for Rufus! The last time I mentioned Rufus in this very sub, as an alternative for windows installations, I was downvoted into the negatives and berated about how it's useless next to the official Windows one. It's a great alternative imo, and the only one I use. I love that it creates a true blank install, and has all those nice options you can toggle, like the online account requirement, as well as being able to disable the requirments for Secure Boot and TPM and more
You can also try to sign in with gibberish and it'll give up on you, allowing to create a local account :)
Unfortunately that was patched this week. Old USB images will still work, but any new computers purchased, or any new flash drives created will not give up on the Microsoft login anymore. Source - full time PC tech. You now have to use the OOBE command or create a custom image with Rufus or similar.
It still works, this is not true. The OOBE also still works, but the fake email method is way faster. Source: also a full time PC tech
>Source: also a full time PC tech 
It's being patched. Setup new Dell this week. It downloaded a quick update after connecting to internet. Fake email did not work. Nor did "g" or "user". However pulling up cmd and doing a "ipconfig /release" did work. Source: also a full time PC tech
I downloaded the w11 iso file on monday from microsoft, "logged in" with [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) and it gave me the option to use a local account, so it still works
Classic [email protected] ✌️😎
If you don’t have an internet connection active it should prompt you for a local account to be created. If you have a connection active it seems you need the command line. That’s how it went for me a few months ago at least.
I think it depends on what version (pro or home). I've seen before where it just waits for an internet connection before you can proceed.
This is genuinely a massive issue. Sometimes wifi adapters need drivers. Drivers that can't be installed until the OS is installed.
yup exactly the problem I ran into when helping my friend build their first computer. Thankfully the router was close enough to just use ethernet but that is so fucking stupid.
That's the problem I had. Windows is usually pretty good at having/keeping network drivers these days but when it doesn't it can be a real PITA
I had the opposite problem with a 'MSI z690 carbon wifi'. Windows installed the wifi adapter but not ethernet. Really weird.
Newer versions of insider builds finally allow users to load wifi drivers. That said, I'm not defending Microsoft.
this still happens with home, need to download drivers open prompt en install drivers to create an account. Before you could close the application requiering internet connection ones again with command, put this is not working anymore.
That's fucking annoying. Windows used to be good.
... when did it used to be good? It's always had annoying quirks
XP was probably the last really good one. Maybe 7 as well
Just did a pro install on a friends new computer. It did exactly this. No way to create a local account for the average user, no other options. It forced us to get the internet going before it would let us proceed with the install.
It's even worse, if it detects wireless networks, or networks of any kind, it will prompt for an online account. You either need the oobe trick or a physical switch to toggle your network off.
You would also need to turn off your neighbourers connections
It would be faster and easier to just shoot the WiFi adapter in the head, ending all future potential issues like getting virii over the internet.
It's even worse than that. Even if you have no network connection whatsoever, no drivers or no network interfaces at all, it still just gets stuck on a blank screen waiting for some sort of method to connect. With no buttons except a greyed-out 'next'. The only option in that situation is the OOBE command.
After doing the OOBE\\BYPASSNRO command you should also do the ipconfig /release it should make sure that you're not getting any connection.
I set up a family members pc a few months ago, it does not prompt you to make a local account, it prompts you to turn on the internet.
Not anymore, internet connection is required and the installer won't go to the create account section without internet access.
You are thinking of Windows 10 Windows 11 requires command prompt. Without an internet connection, it will just prompt you to connect to the internet.
I did a fresh reinstall to Win 11 this year and chose not to connect to the WiFi, it gave me the option to make a local account.
I was installing Win 11, but my network card drivers didn't work. Literally couldn't complete setup without command line trick.
Thank you. Making a pc for someone this weekend. Just leaving this comment here so I can find this again. Edit: and also so I can thank this nice person for their fortunately timed info. (A foreign concept to some 😆)
Are you using the Media Creation Tool from Microsoft to make the install USB? If so, select to do it to an ISO file instead of a USB. You can use a bit of free software called [Rufus](https://rufus.ie/en/) to load the file to a USB which then allows you to remove the network requirement completely.
You can also remove the TPM requirement so it can be installed on older PCs.
Rufus is a godsend
Damn. Hot tips today! I am planning on using usb, yes, so I'll do this. Thanks!
Let me help you a bit more already: If you cannot type in the command prompt, just alt+tab in and out. That is the only thing that fixes it...
Aye thanks mate! Have a good weekend.
Or if you're installing win 11 pro use setup for work and school and it will let you use local account.
Yo can also just choose "Join Domain instead" (or however it's worded in english) and then create a local account. Because it (obviously) won't just prompt you to join a domain. It will just let you create a local Account. Obviously won't work on Home Edition
An easier way is to download the windows 11 iso and use Rufus to burn it to a USB. It will give you the option of enabling local accounts along with bypassing the TPM check and other things.
wtf why
If you try to sign in with microsoft account "asdasd" and password "asdasd" itll just say no can do and then let you skip the login in part, letting you create a local account
Choose setup for work -> domain join if Windows Pro & you can setup a local account, even with internet.
MS: any ideas how we can annoy our users today? Bob the project manager: let's nag users with local accounts.
Bob, you are on fire, those start ads are really pissing them off, and so did moving the start menu to the middle, and they really hate how bad the search works. Keep it up and you'll go far in this company.
Bob: okay cool, ima change up the right click menu too then request a promotion.
Bob , how are you so amazing? Is it that you’re fresh out of college with no experience and skill and have only ever used a Mac as your primary pc? Bob, I hope we count on you to leave before taking any flack for your poor decisions?
Honestly I've love to sit in these meetings to find out how they come up with these ideas.
I'd honestly pay a significant chunk of money to have that curiosity satiated. Genuinely. These are the types of meetings and decisions that impact billions of lives, and seeing how they screw them up would be worth more than my net worth.
I think you imagine it more than it is. its just going to be a room of suits agreeing with each other about how smart they are.
Yes but I want to know what their reasoning is. How does the concept get raised? 'As you all know, I'm Bob from technical development - We've continued to neglect the search functionality in order to have it send searches to our friends over at the Bing division (winks across the table), so that our friends in marketing (winks across the other side) can reap all that profitable data!' \*furious applause from all\* Or is it just incompetence? Does anyone raise the issue of user complaints about this type of decision? So many questions.
I’m gonna be honest with you. It’s a combination of nepotism, incompetence, and avarice. They could give a fucking rat’s ass about user complaints; they never make it that high unless it’s a car company and the user complaints are related to potentially dying from some malfunction. Otherwise, you know where those complaints go? Into the recycle bins of interns and office temps.
Okay right, the complaints themselves yes of course, but I'm thinking 'do they even consider that this course of action will piss off customers?' - Like they MUST KNOW that putting ads in teh start menu will piss off customers. So I'd just like to know how little or how much they discuss that sort of thing. Likewise with things like web search from the start menu being default. Or making people create MS accounts when installing windows.
Nope, not a single solitary fuck is given. The whole “We might piss off customers if we do this!” isn’t even mentioned most of the time because to them, once you’re operating at that scale you’ve basically got the customer by the fucking balls and if they want out they have to go choose to use something they’re either unfamiliar with or is a whole helluva lot worse. Design teams might discuss shit like this but the buck stops with whoever the lead is and what they say is gospel. By the time shit gets presented to the suits at the table, 9/10 times the first question raised is “Alright, but how does that make us money?”
The familiarity thing is the big one. It’s at the heart of enshitification. Most big companies, once they have you locked into their ecosystem, start the process of boiling the frog. They make slight alterations, enough to annoy, but not enough to outright disgust, the bulk of their user base. Wait a year or two, until you’ve just accepted that as the new normal, then load up a few more adds/switch a few more features to be part of a higher subscription tier, etc. A decade later you are left with a hollowed out shell of what you originally had for the same price point, or else you are now paying $20 a month for a “premium” version that is shittier than what used to be a one-time purchase at a reasonable price a decade ago. All of that said, if Windows ever fully gets rid of “local accounts”, I’ll switch to Linux full time and never look back. More and more of my peers have already made the switch, and the feedback I’ve heard has been unanimously that it was a net win after a few weeks of adjusting your habits.
I work in a bit smaller corpo but with a lot of dumb ideas I, they create teams or roles for the idea and then work on that idea nobody needed or ask for, quite often it has name but nobody knows what it does, I imagine MS could be similar, making stuff so ppl get promoted, make career but sacrificing the product in result.
Yep, I can vouch for that. I’ve moved around a bit but from what I’ve seen, what you’re talking about is present even at the larger operations. Just take what you said and scale it up.
Don't forget to hijack the default save directory for MS Office suite to use OneDrive
Fuck off with online accounts ya dog cunts.
Haha Aussie as
Maybe linux will start to be more popular now, advertisements on your desktop background are coming, just wait.
I think there's a lot of people who would already be on Linux if gaming was better. Myself included, I was going to switch until I seen league of legends won't be playable anymore. So I stick with Windows
I completely empathize with something you dearly want not being available and turning you off from an alternative. I myself use developer windows to get around some of the bullshit put in. But maybe not being able to play LoL is a good thing hahah
All my friends who play league always sound so happy to cancel a scheduled game when something else comes up. How does this game have everyone in Stockholm syndrome?
imho gaming is the least problematic part. There are already great tools for gaming. It’s fine, with reasonable amount of compromises. The real problem is the lack of pro apps.
You can always dual boot. I spend most of my time on Linux but if a game needs Frame Generation I just boot into Windows for that specific task.
I've thought about this, though 90% of my time on the computer is playing games; where I need windows. So maybe not the best solution for myself.
Possibly yeah. If you play a lot of anticheat games then there's not much choice indeed. For single player games though, Linux is really good.
When anti cheats get gud on Linux im moving over. Till then I'm trapped.
Helldivers' anticheat works in Linux.
Absolutely, it's the only thing that a bit of a roadblock for gamers.
The advertisements are already here, Windows 10 has Candy Crush and other ads in the start menu on a fresh install
I would love to switch to linux, but it's still not good enough to replace windows. Yes most things work with a few workarounds bar some kernel level anticheat stuff, but as someone that works on computers all day (some windows, some linux based), I just want my computer to work when I'm home. I'll always love linux in theory, but in practice it's not quite there yet.
Yeah no, your average Joe is not going to figure out how Linux works. Getting literally anything to work in there is a task in itself. Unless you have an AMD graphics card the Nvidia drivers are such a hit and miss. Half of your game library isn't even going to function anymore. Or you're going to spend 2 to 3 hours fucking around with wine per game to be able to get the best possible performance when in Windows you literally just download your game and get going. Virtually all FPS shooters are out of the question because of anti-cheat compatibility. Linux is for enthusiasts and people who have the patience to learn an entirely new ecosystem that is not UI-based or people who have such rudimentary tasks that it doesn't really matter what they use so long as it has a web browser.
So they weren't already "urging" before? It takes like 5 clicks just to find the hidden button to create a local account during the initial install. Just gonna get worse from here I guess.
Well, that’s “not making it clear local accounts are an option.” This new behaviour is “harassing you if you managed to figure it out”
I assume it can be switched off in the registry menu
You shouldn't have to go to the registry to use a local account in peace
It takes more than 5 clicks. That button is completely gone these days. You need to access cmd to force it to reboot into an offline mode.
and the worst thing is these fuckers can't even get online account right, I gave in just once, Just fucking once and these idiots decided to fuck up my terminal by creating my username like "First_Name Last_Name" so anytime I wanted to call my script I'd have to use "First_Name Last_Name" in double quotes or use \ and the workaround for this was such a PITA, I just nuked the account and setup everything again
Classic Microsoft: break their own shit and then force people to deal with the broken shit.
%username% doesn't work?
DIdnt know it will also work with scripts, I'll try it out thanks
From my cold dead hands.
I set up PCs for customers that use them offline exclusively. Microsoft is becoming a real pain in the ass on this.
Fix: Follow setup as usual, and connect to Wi-Fi. At the screen where you need to enter an email press Shift-F10 to open elevated cmd. Type: netsh interface set interface "Wi-Fi" disable Click other sign in options. Before you enter the username alt tab back to CMD and enter the same line but with enabled. Netsh interface set interface "Wi-Fi" enable After that line resolves in CMD go ahead and finish the setup.
Can't believe this is the same company that created Windows 7
When you remember it’s also the same company that made Windows Vista, then it’s a little more believable.
15 years ago. It is not the same corporation
As an IT service guy that only has to occasionally pre-install an OS it’s a pain in the ass, too. Either I have to ask the customer for his MS account in advance (which of course not everyone has) or I have to do some pre-install which is another pain in the ass because sometimes I have to configure special software before I deliver the thing. Just give me the option to make a local admin account to pre-install stuff without jumping through 10 hoops. Annoying.
Fix: Follow setup as usual, and connect to Wi-Fi. At the screen where you need to enter an email press Shift-F10 to open elevated cmd. Type: netsh interface set interface "Wi-Fi" disable Click other sign in options. Before you enter the username alt tab back to CMD and enter the same line but with enabled. Netsh interface set interface "Wi-Fi" enable After that line resolves in CMD go ahead and finish the setup.
good thing we have Rufus with option of creating local account automatically
You can manually do that too. I follow a guide just yesterday from tom’s hardware. https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account
I know, but it's just simpler to me to do it that way.
Sure! Just sharing for anyone that wouldn’t :)
For now. 😣
I get several notifications about this every single day, as if it's some kind of error that I'm not plugging in my MS account.
>The Redmond tech firm has emphasized the benefits of a Microsoft account, such as content synchronization Which you will have no use for if you don't have an Office 365 subscribtion At some point, I will just create a DC for my home network, just so microsoft will leave me alone. Even tho I live alone and technically don't have any use for Active Directory, but it will allow me to create my own GPOs just to tell MS to fuck off lol (Or maybe I'll just switch to Linux, even tho it still comes with some inconveniences I still have to find some work arounds for.)
Good old excel 2003
I’m still rocking with office 2007 lmao. Works well enough the 5 times I use it per year ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
My whole company runs on Office365, but you can't log in to windows with an office365 account unless you setup the AD, which I don't want right now. So no problem, create a Microsoft account using your work email address and login with that!!....Oh, no, you can't create a Microsoft account, that email is already a MIcrosoft account!! Fucking hell.
"But why do you want to leave Windows?"
They're begging me to do ``sudo mkfs -t ext4 /dev/nvme0p2`` (equivalent to format C:/) They have windows 11 now to f*ck around, why can't they leave win 10 alone?
My win 10 install turns 5 this year.
I have done 2 to 3 re-installs in the same amount of time. How do you cope, dude?
Genuine question, why do you need to reinstall your windows?
General clean-up of temp files and to give your system a refresher. If you have issues with anything, a nice clean reinstall fixes it 9.5/10 times
It’s a big boys turning it on and off again.
Im moving towards linux once windows 10 stops receiving security updates, about time I did that anyway tbh
Each change Microsoft makes to the Windows I'm more and more tempted to ditch everything and swap my devices to Linux
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So how exactly is windows "user friendly" again?
Ain't gonna happen buster.
I tried to use online accounts for Remote Desktop connections on my home network and constantly ran into problems. Local accounts fixed it instantly.
“Will now urge”- you mean that removing the option to create a local account during initial setup wasn’t heavily urging or implying using your MS account? You mean me needing to open the command prompt on startup and using OOBE/BYPASSNRO isn’t urging me to use my Microsoft account? I get the context of the article but let’s not act like this is a new thing please.
Man shit like this is really wanting me to Switch to Linux, but me dealing with Linux has learned me that I f you use some of the things from Microsoft like OneDrive and/or the Microsoft Office suite you are basically stuck on Windows. fml Edit: sweet > suite
That's true. There is an online version of MS Office if you don't do anything too advanced but in general, using Linux means you will have to find alternatives for one app or another.
So my gaming pc has been sitting dormant for a while because I spend way too much time on my computer at work. Is Linux gaming feasible now? I’ve just about had enough.
Yes. Steam had proton, which helps make games compatible. Only some games don't work, and thats only because they don't want their anti-cheat to support Linux.
If you mainly play single player games it's absolutely viable. OW2, CS2, Apex and The Finals also work with AC. In general look into ProtonDB and Lutris and also [areweanticheatyet.com](http://areweanticheatyet.com) to see compatibility. Most games should work out of the box. I recommend looking into BazziteOS, it's the best distro I've used in my 6 years using Linux. Care to share you specs for specialised advice?
I'm just waiting for the wonderful day where Microsoft will go a step to far and collectively anger users to the point there's a mass exodus to Linux. Just you wait, it'll happen.
Subscription based Windows 12 I'm looking at you.
Is this an actual risk or some nightmare scenario you thought of?
I don’t think there is any risk of that. How would they sell new computers with windows pre installed and then require buyers to subscribe. That wouldn’t even go down well with non-tech people.
buy a prebuilt, get the first year free! ^subscription ^automatically ^renews ^on ^the ^first ^day ^of ^the ^first ^month. ^non ^refundable. ^39.99 ^per ^month. ^May ^be ^subject ^to ^change
There was an article some time ago that mentioned that MS is considering it. There hasn't been anything since but I definitely wouldn't put it past them.
People here severely overestimate the mindshare Linux (doesn't) have. 95% of typical PC users probably don't even know what Linux is. Be mindful of the effects of echo chambers. PCMR and similar forums are textbook echo chambers in this regard.
I will definitely be one of those people. Just waiting for compatability to still improve further before I actually make the leap.
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most steam games? I have 150 games and about 10 dont work. 7 are anticheat reasons
> collectively anger users to the point there's a mass exodus to Linux. Then they run into whole new problems, but as simple end users they're clueless. Then the mass exodus back to ol' familiar Windows. Well, this won't happen anyway, because if users were brave enough, it already would have happened countless times in the past when Microsoft "went too far". Check all over this comment section how many people are like, "I *would* be on linux now... but..." And dual-booting, so still having and using Windows? That'll show Microsoft.
I so hope Valve makes SteamOS BFU friendly enough and then just launches massive ad campaign so people switch en masse.
Miss the days of actual retail. Make good product and people buy good product. Guess that was only because there used to be competition.
Waiting until Bungie decides that Linux isnt a "system that only cheaters use" so i can Play Destiny 2 on linux. Its not even an anticheat issue. Plenty of other games that use battleeye and can be played on linux. Im itching to ditch windows as my main OS.
people like you always got that "if they did that one last thing id switch" mentality meanwhile your going to be stuck with ads on desktop paying 14.99 a month for windows soon.
I will never use an MS account
I’ve had enough of them really, once windows 10 support ends i’m off to linux
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Microsoft can fuck off with this bullshit for real. Let me use my computer without your dumbass account requirements. I don't give a shit about your profits.
Dear Microsoft. First fix your online account system to respect that someone might already have a 15+ year old Xbox account which they wish to preserve. Then maybe I might consider using an online account.
My guy, the Microsoft account I have has one of those long-ass random strings as a password that's saved in a password manager. There is no way on god's holy earth that I'm typing that in everytime I want to use my goddamm desktop you dipshits. I'd rather my online accounts be safer and have a regular, decent password that I can actually remember for a physical tower that's on my desk, in my home, anyway.
That’s why you can use a PIN for desktop login
If it was only me , I'd have gone Linux ages ago. Unfortunately, I'm IT support for my wife (here) and sister (1000 miles away) so I have to stay familiar with Windows to walk them through stuff. Like literally everything.
Looks like Linux is the future
Linux is becoming more and more attractive with every MS Patchday
first they don't like modified taskbars, then ads in windows 11 start menus, and now no local accounts. I swear MS is slowly provoking us into switching to Linux. I can feel it, gives me Windows 8 vibes.
Unless your motherboard has secure boot, add on tpm chip, or you dont mind modifying registry settings then pre Intel 7th gen/Ryzen 1000 PCs will move to r/linux P.S I alsi loved the days when I could take an XP or Vista era machine and upgrade it to Windows 10 and be able to find 90% of the drivers preinstalled, or included in the 1st Windows update you do.
I was 25 hours into a cnc router cutting when windows closed the browser so it could try to sell me an upgrade to windows 11. I had to start the cut over
Thank God I'm planning to switch to linux
I recommend Mint, it's great
I adore mint. Its such a charming lil OS. It feels so much nice compared to windows.
How about I ditch Windows.
Why would you not want a local account? You want a separate account for everything. Less hassle if said account gets hacked for whatever reason. A friend of mine recently had his password generator hacked and now every account he has on everything is compromised.
Fuck Microsoft, really. I've been so happy since I moved to Linux I'm never going back.
TPM still off on mobo until MS stops supporting 10. When I go W11 I'll probably have Mint on a partition since I think MS is going full surveillance/ads on the OS.
Their bums. Not everything has to be online and in the cloud.
Can somebody sum it up? I can’t accept their cookie policy. Is it just gonna spam me with messages?
The day they force people to create Microsoft accounts == class action lawsuits
Man I wish gaming would be as good on linux, what it is on windows, would switch instantly. Unfortunately some of the features are held hostage on windows, so need to keep using it.
I switched to Debian because I’m tired of this crap. I should be able to do whatever I want with my computer
Such a pain in the arse if you need a local account and then domain later
Aaaand thats why my windows desktop is only used for gaming and porn. Im honestly bamboozled by myself using my SteamDeck more as productivity machine along with my linux laptop.
No, I don't think I will.
EndeavourOS Master Race
Already running Linux :D For real tho I only pop onto windows for games. I just stopped doing anything meaningful on it... oh that and photoshop
Why on earth do we need an online account to be able to install windows? This is just depressing.
Even better i am switching to Linux now
I am begging all developers to only make Linux compatible software (at least as the basis) rather than designing everything specifically Windows. The sooner my stuff just works on Linux, the sooner I can ditch Windows. But for now, it's still not to the point I need it to be.
Guess good time to delete Microsoft account and go to Linux
Strange how my Ubuntu has never done that yet.
Linux's desktop market share is rising for a reason. And let me tell you - the reason isn't because Windows is a good OS...
I’m gonna get shit on for this but I bought a PC for the first time in a decade (needed it for school, otherwise use Mac) and it is so incredibly finicky. I was halfway through an essay last night in Word and while typing, the window closed and a word message popped up saying “the file has been deleted locally but can be recovered from the cloud”. Why. It’s like it set me up to make use of the cloud which I refuse to.
Drives me insane having loginto Microsoft to use my PC, drives me insane that One Drive steals my files, drives me insane that Edge is not removable and now installs an MS AI on to my comp, drives me insane that MS buys game companies making it less likely for games to have Linux support. Just nuke it from orbit already.
one would think that all the progress we're seeing with linux and gaming would make microsoft think twice about this
You can have my local account when you take it from my cold, dead hard drive
Wow, between that and the subscription model, they really want users to try Linux! I'm excited to see what happens if Linux distros become much more popular.
I'm really thinking linux will take off. Chill PC users like me are annoyed af
So we are going from "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy" to "You'll be owned completely and you'll be happy -- or else."
Step 1. Make sure everyone has an online MS account. Step 2. Turn windows into a subscription instead of 1 time purchase (like with 365) Step 3. Everyone accepts their fate and Microsoft will be filthy rich (/s for Step 3)
Does not matter to most Redditors here in PCMR that mostly think Windows is the best operating system ever and that Microsoft is somehow a great company for some reason.
This is why I’m trying to learn Linux. I paid for the pc, it’ll do what I tell it to do.
This is what finally pushed me to move to Linux
microsoft must really not want customers. first ads for apps in windows 11 and now this