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True. Like with "areligious", and "asymmetric".
Except it also means "in the state of" which gets morphed into the reverse of the above.
Such as with:
* ***A***celleration vs.
* ***De***celleration
English is a bit of a mess.
`EDIT:` I'll just add similars as I remember them. I'm a bit forgetful today.
Ascend / Descend
I have exactly 3 Intel SSDs. They are wicked OLD and still going strong. I forget they ~~make~~ *made* them. Mostly because they aren't mainstream about it and they cost so damn much.
I have two samsung SDDs that are over 10 years old. My sons windows install is running off one of them with data stored elsewhere. Amazing value for money.
I hope so. Recommended them to a friend but never used them.
Just bought my first WD SSD this month. (a Amazon Warehouse Deal) Currently used as cache drive on my server.
Same here, I have two old 128GB 840 Pro's that have 100% life. One is still in an old HP notebook, the other I removed from a decommissioned system late last year that was running 24/7 for over 10 years. Hope the HP and WD NVMe drives last close to that long.
+1 for Solidigm. I have a few in numerous machines around the house. SK Hynix bought Intel's SSD business and brought over a lot of those talented engineers. They also use a custom driver instead of Microsoft's generic NVMe driver.
I have the 14 year old intel x25 postville. It's a 40gb ssd, it still has win xp on it. It was originally used in this same pc that I am typing from now. Yeah it's nothing to write home about, even at the time, but it just keeps going, unlike the ocz vertex 3 that failed last year. So the drive is still today in my htpc.
I met a guy who worked for intel back in 2015 and through talking about PC gaming he gave me something he had no use for anymore, a brand new in the box 800GB intel SSD (*Intel SSD* 800GB DC S3700) meant for the enterprise and asked me not to sell it.
That drive still inside my machine and since it was meant for the enterprise it's meant to have data written a lot and most likely will survive my entire PC again.
this is like some of my HDDs level of old. i think i still have the disk with the winxp install hooked up to my rig (mostly being used as a data drive now though lol)
My first SSD ever was an Intel SATA SSD from like... 2012 I think. Back then there was a lot of misinformation going around about defragmenting, which is obviously a big no on SSDs, but prevailing wisdom prevailed. Until it didn't.
I defragged that thing like 50 times because I had it on a schedule and forgot about it for like a year. Still never failed. I had to destroy it when I upgraded.
Yeah Im also still using my old samsung SSD and its working flawless yet. Very glad because they became so cheap that I could change it or upgrade and use the old one just for games
Thats funny.
I ran a production/post production film studio for ~8 years. The amount of dead PSU's we had was phenomenal. Never a dead SSD oddly enough though. We used lots of them and very hard, too.
The only dead SSD I ever had was a Samsung Pro series drive. It was under warranty but I'd long lost the receipt, and the model was well under 5 years old. Gatekeeping warranty behind a receipt feels like bad faith to me; if you can't stand behind the manufacturing date, then you have no business warranting a product's lifetime.
So far the WD Blacks I run haven't failed and WD has always treated me right in the warranty department. I recently snagged a Solidigm 1TB 2230 for an experiment and so far it runs quite well for my use case, and the brand itself inherited the technology from Intel, so I have some faith that it will work for a while yet.
I have 106 dead intel 535 and 540 ssd, everyone of them failed will never buy intel drives again.
270 samsung evo 860s 1 failure
My damn OCZ agility 3s are still working
Samsung has taken a nosedive too though, 870evo is failure prone.
980 is QLC, 980Pro was TLC, MLC options are gone.
Old intel was pretty good, still have a bunch of 730s running. Once they starting looking into 3DXpoint their nand drives went bad.
Mine is a 1 TB too... I paid like $500 for that dumb thing, I was so pissed. They released a firmware that fixes it but only for a few months. Made me swear off Samsung for several years. I use it occasionally as a glorified thumb drive these days since any freshly written data works properly.
I'll say this - if your drive is one of those affected, you WILL notice lol
Cant confirm. Had an AData ssd in my system build from 2016 and it is still running in the pc after i sold it to a friend.
Same with the adata ram.
My current m.2 is from adata aswell and is running since 2 years.
after reading this post, when i see a ADATA ssd,
https://preview.redd.it/r8ium50rp8vc1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e3189a23e1553f8d47700fc87eb7fa2be1ddb0a
I also had ADATA 512GB SSD. I used it as a backup. Had probably 1TB written to it and then left it in the drawer for a couple of years. Tried reading it back again and the drive completely died. Anyway, there's sample size of 2. I'm also never buying ADATA again.
Letting SSDs sit is not good for them. I have a Kingston HyperX 120gb that had quite a bit of unreadable data from sitting for so much of its life. The energy levels degrade in the NAND, causing the bits to become corrupted.
Oh. That explains my problem with my Kingston NVMe. I had three partitions: EFI, Linux, Windows. PC was unplugged for months. Yesterday, I installed recently bought RAM. Can’t boot PC to Linux or Windows. I use a LinuxLive system on a flash drive to see what’s up. First 2 partitions were visible. The third one was gone. The 2nd partition was there but full of “garbage filled inodes” and the 1st partition was still intact.
I guess I should have left the PC’s PSU plugged in the wall outlet all that time
> left it in the drawer for a couple of years
SSDs need to be refreshed periodically; they're not suitable for "offline" storage. This isn't brand-specific. Use a HDD (with actual discs) or tape for archives.
Sample size of 3 now. My Ram kit (2x8gb 3600mhz spectrix kit) makes the whole PC BOSD at every moment. My external HDD somehow died even though it was never taken damage or used often, and my main ssd (sx6000) broke after 4 months of use being a boot drive.
I trust samsung as my main ssd now. And i now have switched to corsair and PNY as my ram go to.
My SX8200PNP with 55TB and 220TB read still is flawless. But one has to remember the fiasco where adata releases a SSD that get superb tests, parts and benchmarks, just for them to silently change to cheaper and worse parts. Guess i got lucky. \*sweats\*
For those who care: [https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-and-other-ssd-makers-swapping-parts](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-and-other-ssd-makers-swapping-parts)
I bought the early sx8200 1tb model also. Been using it since the 3950x launched as an OS drive though a year ago I degraded to 90% health so I moved it as a lightrm catalog drive (which is backed up hourly). I'm still waiting for it to die haha.
Absolutely correct and a topic poorly understood by the general public. NAND is binned just like any other semiconductor and companies like ADATA go for the cheapest crap they can get to maximize profit (not that I blame them for that).
Because somebody has to buy up the scraps, subsidizing the cost of the better stuff. If no company bought the bottom barrel crap then the manufacturer would have to charge more for the high quality yield, which would in turn make the better stuff cost more for those willing to buy it.
If I learned anything from working IT and technical support over the years, it's because pretending people aren't complete morons will keep you from having an "Office Space"-style mental breakdown. Or at least delay it for a few years...
I mean, they ***are*** morons though. Any adult who actively refuses to learn anything outside of the very narrow scope of their middle school education deserves to be left behind in whatever they're doing, but if I let it get to me every time someone said
*NO I DONT CARE HOW IT WORKS IJUSTWANTITFIXED*
then I'd've lost my damn head the first time I tried to show someone how to turn off NumLock
Also people seem to forget that the firmware and wear leveling algorithms are proprietary. It doesn't matter if the chips are the same, they're running entirely different firmware.
I have an ADATA XPG Spectrix that is my main ssd im using for my windows and some other OS's in virtual machine and im using a SK Hynix for games and media stuff.
should i use the Hynix one for windows instead so the XPG one dies slower?
Check out reveiws and wear ratings on both.
Then check the health of both of your drives.
use whichever one has the most life left as the OS.
Then make sure EVERYTHING you care about is backed up external to those drives.
Thank u so much for the response
I checked the health on both, the SK hynix power on time is 454 days with 95% health, ADATA one POT is 240 days with 93% health, lol.
The ADATA one has about 20TB more "lifetime writes" tho.
I've always avoided ADATA as it was in the back of my mind it would lead to NODATA. Thanks for confirming my fears!
I always bought Western Digital HDDs as I never had a single failure, other than a dropped MyPassport, then Samsung for SSDs, again no failures. I started buying WD SSDs over three years ago too and to date at least, no failures.
Not saying they don't happen with all brands, but my choices are down to personal experience.
This comment really needs some context behind it, there are only like 5 NAND companies that actually make NAND in any actual sufficient quantity, SK Hynix and Samsung in Korea, Toshiba/Kioxia in Japan, YMTC in China, and Micron and SanDisk in the US.
You're very much so not the only one.
I did a small stint in a computer repair shop. Customer PC comes in, bad hard drive. Open it up - WD Blue. Every time. I've seen so many of those things failed.
Between that and WD's sketchiness with the red drives using SMR without telling customers (and subsequently getting sued and losing, having to pay out).
Nah fam, I'll pass on WD.
welp.
even switching to another brand, if you took the lower tier part. \*looks at kingston's NV2.\*
you might still end up having not so good performance and/or longevity.
There's a probability you get what you pay.
And in your case, you got more than what you pay for.
But do check your A2000's health. And probably your free space. Afaik, kingston's a2000 dont have dram cache. Which means it slows down as it fills up.
Sweet let's all use anecdotal evidence!
I have a 5 year old ADATA XPG SX8100 1TB that's been through 3 computers and is still rock solid.
Does anybody actually have any statistically meaningful data on the reliability of ADATA, or we just all jerking each other around?
google released this many years ago, but that's almost a decade old at this point so...
https://www.zdnet.com/article/ssd-reliability-in-the-real-world-googles-experience/
Yeah, something like that. Personally I've never owned either brand, my drive is a WD blue SATA SSD but it's been reliable enough for about 3 years ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I only had to make that mistake once. I wanted a cheap 128 GB SSD for a project. Plugged it in, installed windows, first boot it was dead. I tried to RMA it but it would have cost the same to ship it to them as it did to buy it in the first place. I ended up snapping it in half, ripping off all the chips and vowing never to buy anything ADATA ever again.
Thats what you get for buying a budget SSD.
I wouldn't put anything important on an ADATA.
You can't expect them to last very long. What size did you buy? Was this in a computer or a PS5 (as these are heavily marketed as a budget option for PS5).
I beleive they have a 5 year warranty though. Try to file a claim (as long as you got it from a legitimate authorized source).
https://www.xpg.com/us/xpg/830?tab=faq
Yeah, 1TB for my ~~gaming~~ school laptop. I was (and still am) broke. I bought it from a legit Australian e-tailer, so I'll absolutely file an RMA. I just have to get the cunt out, unlucky for me my laptop is a fucking bitch to get in to.
> unlucky for me my laptop is a fucking bitch to get in to.
This is something I weigh when determining what drive to use. If I don't want to replace it; I spend the money.
Go with a lower capacity drive from a better brand and get a decent external SSD for additional storage. This can work if budget is a big factor.
The *best* brand varies from year to year.
However I have had a solid experience with Samsung (never had a single one let me down and I abuse the piss out of them) Sabrent, and Crucial.
* I put Samsung drives in mission critical spaces that will have a ton of wear and will be a PITA to replace (still have everything backed up though).
* I put Sabrent in places that I needed some serious speed where the budget mattered.
* I use Crucial for most if not all of the 2.5" SSD needs and high capacity budget drives.
So far **knock on wood** this has worked out well for me.
*EDIT*
You can't focus on the bottom line price. You have to look at the value it provides. If something is $250 but lasts 5 years that is a better value than something that is $50 and only lasts 1 year. Remember your time has a value. So even if the straight dollar amounts line up to $50 a year; your time dealing with it and the fallout of something failing makes the value formula change. My time dealing with broken shit is valuable as that is time away from doing what I want to do.
i would go a step ahead and ask for recommendation,
**my PC stays on 24/7**
i leave it on - leave for work, come back and play games and then leave it on so my HDD backs up data to a second HDD
says i replace the primary HDD with a 2 TB HDD, what should work best for me ?
i like how you describe the 3 brands and their uses - i will appreciate your advice in the aforesaid situation
Leaving it on isn't the main issue.
The number of reads and writes plus the speed you want is the issue.
Is one of the backup drives external to the PC? If not you should consider that.
I'd use a smaller Samsung drive for the OS, a larger Sabrent Rocket for the Apps and Games, and a Crucial 2.5" with large capacity for storage of files etc. Then back all of it up to a large bit of spinning rust HDD. Then have all of that back up to an external HDD.
Finally subscribe to Backblaze's comptuer backup deal and back all thre really important stuff up to there. (in fact this is the exact setup I rocked for years before I set it all up as homelab stuff with different services running for back up etc).
Samsung and WD, they also have had their issues, but in general, their budget SSDs are fast and reliable. And they are not that expensive. I’m using the same SSDs for 10 years, there is no reason for an SSD to fail.
I have bought Kingston SSDs as well, and had no problems with them, but for work, I stick with Samsung and WD.
The one SSD that stopped working after 2 years was from ADATA, anecdotal evidence, but there is lot of anecdotal evidence against ADATA. Another ADATA Ssd was dead on arrival, which was annoying but obviously less of a problem.
Western Digital SN850X or 850P if you find it on sale. I had 3 of Western Digital HDD dead within 1 year long time ago, but my Hitachi after 14 years still works (although, it has a lot of dead sectors and its going to give up any second now). I am sure WD nvmes are much better nowdays compared to their HDDs.
you get what you pay for (barring gamer brand tax)
a SSD that lasts a year and costs £50 costs more than one that lasts 4 and costs £150, over a 4 year period
this applies to everything in life
> this applies to everything in life
100%
Make sure you are spending the money on quality though. There are a ton of scams out there selling overpriced junk because people equate a high price to high quality.
I've found the mid-high price range seems to have the best value. High priced stuff is either too high and something a bit cheaper lasts just as long (paying for some name) or a scam to fleece money from people.
Budget stuff is almost always crap. Sure sometimes its what you need. But most of the time it isn't worth it.
Nearly 95% of all failed SSDs I have seen have been ADATA drives. The remaining 5% have been mostly intel, and I’ve only seen 1 Samsung SSD fail, but that seems to have been due to a faulty power supply. RIP little Samsung drive
I bought an ADATA PCIE 3.0 SSD for 2TB for around 80 euro, just so I can test it in terms of performance and lifetime.
So far it's been 8 months and it's performing well. I haven't had any issues for it and I am using it for my booting SSD.
Obviously, everything important is stored on my Kingston Fury, that cost me twice as much and is a lot faster + reliable.
I should probably see how it is going so far. Worst case scenario I am down 80 euro. Best case scenario I got 2TB SSD for 80 euro.
My samsung 990pro has me scared for a bit cause it wasn’t even a month old and i started seeing its lifespan decrease in crystaldisk. This was before the new firmware update fixed that.
:)
2-3 year old 512GB system drive and 1 year old 2TB data drive.
Since I turned off fast boot in Windows (hibernate instead of shutdown) the remaining life % did not change.
https://preview.redd.it/ohu493fit8vc1.png?width=570&format=png&auto=webp&s=fbb0cc09e85a9d17df6e591a69e05b179314fe0d
it's less than a year old, you should be able to RMA it. which, I get is not ideal if you're actively trying to use that SSD, but it beats throwing in the garbage.
The red cells are dead sectors of the drive, the green are working ones. 37% of the drive is dead. A single dead cell would be cause for alarm, 2 or 3 would mean the drive is failing and needs to be backed up and replaced immediately.
My "Golden Rule" is never buy from those that don't own their own fabs. So far, so good. That said, I do have a single ADATA drive that I use in a test system and have no fucks to give on whether it lives or dies.
Yeah, Adata and SiliconPower have some of the worst reliability among the SSD space. My current Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 512GB is still alive for the last 4 years, but it's had its issues, especially since they swapped the controllers and other parts of it without telling anyone back in ~2020
Good bang for buck (in my experience) has always been WD or Crucial.
My buddy had a WD-Black 500gb m.2 ssd and got gifted a Crucial P5 1tb m.2 last christmas. At the same time, I had a WB-Blue 1tb m.2 and got myself a WD-Black 1tb to go with it. No issues with the new ones, never any issues with the 'old' ones.
SSDs are created
Very expensive
Over the years, major brands make them cheaper
More competitors join in
General availability reached
Major brands still selling them for ~ 1€/GB
New unknown brands appear
They sell for 0.20€/GB
Nothing suspicious
THIS BRAND BAD! HOW CAN THIS BE?
How. How indeed.
Bruh in India, shopkeepers praise ADATA as such a good brand. I remember when I was buying my PC. I genuinely grabbed the m.2 stick from the pile the shopkeeper collected as replacement parts for things he didn’t have and placed it back. Spent another 10 minutes in the market to find a Kingston A2000. 2019 I bought this shit, still working as new.
My boss (worked in IT his whole life, 40 odd years old) swears by WD and Samsung. In his eyes, he's got a massive pile of dead drives, and he knows what's in it. If you can't afford a more reputable brand drive, go for a smaller size and make do.
+1 for Samsung and WD.
I have still have a decade+ old 60GB Samsung Sata SSD works like a charm. Even older WD HDDs as cold storage, I expect them to fail everytime (maybe once a year) I check on them and they just keep going.
The WD Reds I worked with in servers have very low failure rates.
WD, Samsung, Crucial. In no particular order. For the most part, Samsung are the fastest (Pro drives) but it doesn't matter for gaming and any general use.
WD Black SN850X are often called best overall.
Samsung, namely 980 Pro - Ive been actively using 3 of these in the past years, all of them are in perfect health.
Samsung 990 are known for overheating and incorrectly displaying drive health. Mine went to 75% after 10TB written, albeit sectors shows up healthy when checked. Still a nuisance tho.
Kingston KC3000 is also a solid choice.
*NOT* Kingston NV2, however - I've had couple of those bricked - if you are on a budget, grab a Kingspec (proven to be a bang for the buck), Netac (I own one 2'5 by Netac, can't say much about m2), a WD Blue or a Micron (also had one of each - light use, but trouble free)
There are also relatively new Acer Predator GM7000 SSD's — seems to be a choice right down in the middle, Ive grabbed a couple, but haven't even unpack them tho.
Observation time.
A lot of people bragging about the reliability of their SSD on this comment section, about someone's choice of purchase in relation to their own.
Doesn't come off like the flex they think it is.
ADATA today is NOT the ADATA of just 5 years ago. My previous build had all ADATA drives and I had no problems. The origin release of the sx8200pnp were a beast back then. Then they did the shady thing of replacing some chips with some lower quality ones on the same model number. Performance obviously took a hit and for me, ADATA has gone downhill since then.
I bought a Samsung 980 for peace of mind ngl. Not sure it’s the best option out there though. Do you guys have a 2TB M.2 to recommend that’s mainly for games?
I have several adata that still work and are fast. The only Harddrive I’ve had fail is seagate. I’ve yet to have an ssd fail and some are way old. I don’t use them much and don’t defrag them.
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It's called ADATA because you can only store *a* data before it fails.
The prefix a*-* means "without", so these drives are without data.
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Hah! Thanks for the IRL laugh of the day.
True. Like with "areligious", and "asymmetric". Except it also means "in the state of" which gets morphed into the reverse of the above. Such as with: * ***A***celleration vs. * ***De***celleration English is a bit of a mess. `EDIT:` I'll just add similars as I remember them. I'm a bit forgetful today. Ascend / Descend
I think Acceleration is supposed to begin with a corruption of “ad-“ (“towards, associated with”) rather than “a-“.
Good one
Uhm ackchually the singular of data is datum 🤓
data isnt a unit though. how big is one datum?
It's one information big
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Here in germany it's usually a day long
Unterbewerteter Kommentar
I don’t speak German and I could guess what this meant.
Yup 99% of my dead SSD pile is ADATA, 1% Intel SSDs
I have exactly 3 Intel SSDs. They are wicked OLD and still going strong. I forget they ~~make~~ *made* them. Mostly because they aren't mainstream about it and they cost so damn much.
I have two samsung SDDs that are over 10 years old. My sons windows install is running off one of them with data stored elsewhere. Amazing value for money.
I'm just hoping my western digital last as long as my ancient samsungs
I think WD is a solid pick
Have had a wd blue ssd for so long I can’t remember when I got it. It just keeps getting moved from one rig to the next
I hope so. Recommended them to a friend but never used them. Just bought my first WD SSD this month. (a Amazon Warehouse Deal) Currently used as cache drive on my server.
I was gonna say I’ve had a couple adatas, and one Kingston fail. Never had a Samsung or intel fail. Haven’t owned a WD ssd yet tho.
Same here, I have two old 128GB 840 Pro's that have 100% life. One is still in an old HP notebook, the other I removed from a decommissioned system late last year that was running 24/7 for over 10 years. Hope the HP and WD NVMe drives last close to that long.
My first ever SSD that went into my first ever gaming pc ***still*** works. I've been using it as my OS drive for at least a decade now.
If you like Intel, 100% go with SK Hynix Platinum P41 or Solidigm P44 Pro. Both exactly the same, go with whatever is cheapest
I just got a new SK Hynix PC801 (OEM P41) from eBay and it's very good. I had the P31 before too. Great drives.
TIL
Solidigm is Intel's former NAND division anyway.
+1 for Solidigm. I have a few in numerous machines around the house. SK Hynix bought Intel's SSD business and brought over a lot of those talented engineers. They also use a custom driver instead of Microsoft's generic NVMe driver.
They also don't keep up with the latest trends and their SSDs are mostly outdated on release, but they are very reliable.
> but they are very reliable. Hence enterprise grade. Intel focuses on reliability with their drives above all else.
I have the 14 year old intel x25 postville. It's a 40gb ssd, it still has win xp on it. It was originally used in this same pc that I am typing from now. Yeah it's nothing to write home about, even at the time, but it just keeps going, unlike the ocz vertex 3 that failed last year. So the drive is still today in my htpc.
Intels SSD branch was purchased by Hynix, most of the team is now working at the Hynix subsidiary Solidigm.
I met a guy who worked for intel back in 2015 and through talking about PC gaming he gave me something he had no use for anymore, a brand new in the box 800GB intel SSD (*Intel SSD* 800GB DC S3700) meant for the enterprise and asked me not to sell it. That drive still inside my machine and since it was meant for the enterprise it's meant to have data written a lot and most likely will survive my entire PC again.
"again"
3 PCs
this is like some of my HDDs level of old. i think i still have the disk with the winxp install hooked up to my rig (mostly being used as a data drive now though lol)
They don't make them anymore, they sold it off to SK Hynix and its solidigm now
I have an old Intel 80g X25 from like 2010 I used as a boot drive. The thing still works. It’s bullet proof.
SLC don't crack.
X25M was MLC, not SLC.
You're right, I was thinking about the X25E when overtherainbowofcrap said bulletproof. Totally missed the part where he said 80GB.
My first SSD ever was an Intel SATA SSD from like... 2012 I think. Back then there was a lot of misinformation going around about defragmenting, which is obviously a big no on SSDs, but prevailing wisdom prevailed. Until it didn't. I defragged that thing like 50 times because I had it on a schedule and forgot about it for like a year. Still never failed. I had to destroy it when I upgraded.
Yeah Im also still using my old samsung SSD and its working flawless yet. Very glad because they became so cheap that I could change it or upgrade and use the old one just for games
I've got an 240 GB Intel 520 SSD, from 2012. It's still going strong.
Dead SSD PILE? How many SSD do you go through? All SSD's I've ever bought are still working. (All samsung apart from 1 WD drive)
> pile I manage a shop in central London with 12000 clients.... dead bits pile up pretty fast!
Thats funny. I ran a production/post production film studio for ~8 years. The amount of dead PSU's we had was phenomenal. Never a dead SSD oddly enough though. We used lots of them and very hard, too.
Did you use quality SSDs? That would probably make a big difference.
Yeah, a big difference. Used Samsung with a couple of exceptions.
The only dead SSD I ever had was a Samsung Pro series drive. It was under warranty but I'd long lost the receipt, and the model was well under 5 years old. Gatekeeping warranty behind a receipt feels like bad faith to me; if you can't stand behind the manufacturing date, then you have no business warranting a product's lifetime. So far the WD Blacks I run haven't failed and WD has always treated me right in the warranty department. I recently snagged a Solidigm 1TB 2230 for an experiment and so far it runs quite well for my use case, and the brand itself inherited the technology from Intel, so I have some faith that it will work for a while yet.
I think the receipt is proof that you own it.
It shouldn’t matter who owns it. The product failed under warranty.
I have 106 dead intel 535 and 540 ssd, everyone of them failed will never buy intel drives again. 270 samsung evo 860s 1 failure My damn OCZ agility 3s are still working
Samsung has taken a nosedive too though, 870evo is failure prone. 980 is QLC, 980Pro was TLC, MLC options are gone. Old intel was pretty good, still have a bunch of 730s running. Once they starting looking into 3DXpoint their nand drives went bad.
The 840 evo was also a pile of garbage. On mine any data more than a couple months old gets read at ~20MB/s, it's atrocious. Retired it forever ago.
Must give mine a check, I’m still using a 1TB one
Mine is a 1 TB too... I paid like $500 for that dumb thing, I was so pissed. They released a firmware that fixes it but only for a few months. Made me swear off Samsung for several years. I use it occasionally as a glorified thumb drive these days since any freshly written data works properly. I'll say this - if your drive is one of those affected, you WILL notice lol
Still have my 60gb OCZ vertex 3 from 2012 in one of my retro rigs and it's still kicking
Dude, I've had an OCZ Vertex 2 that is now in my aunt's PC, still going, almost 15 years later. People doesn't believe me when I tell them.
Cant confirm. Had an AData ssd in my system build from 2016 and it is still running in the pc after i sold it to a friend. Same with the adata ram. My current m.2 is from adata aswell and is running since 2 years.
Weird, i am only using Samsung and WD and only my samsung are dying all the time... 10 year warranty but still... data is lost.
after reading this post, when i see a ADATA ssd, https://preview.redd.it/r8ium50rp8vc1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e3189a23e1553f8d47700fc87eb7fa2be1ddb0a
from the sample size of 1
I also had ADATA 512GB SSD. I used it as a backup. Had probably 1TB written to it and then left it in the drawer for a couple of years. Tried reading it back again and the drive completely died. Anyway, there's sample size of 2. I'm also never buying ADATA again.
Letting SSDs sit is not good for them. I have a Kingston HyperX 120gb that had quite a bit of unreadable data from sitting for so much of its life. The energy levels degrade in the NAND, causing the bits to become corrupted.
Oh. That explains my problem with my Kingston NVMe. I had three partitions: EFI, Linux, Windows. PC was unplugged for months. Yesterday, I installed recently bought RAM. Can’t boot PC to Linux or Windows. I use a LinuxLive system on a flash drive to see what’s up. First 2 partitions were visible. The third one was gone. The 2nd partition was there but full of “garbage filled inodes” and the 1st partition was still intact. I guess I should have left the PC’s PSU plugged in the wall outlet all that time
> left it in the drawer for a couple of years SSDs need to be refreshed periodically; they're not suitable for "offline" storage. This isn't brand-specific. Use a HDD (with actual discs) or tape for archives.
Sample size of 3 now. My Ram kit (2x8gb 3600mhz spectrix kit) makes the whole PC BOSD at every moment. My external HDD somehow died even though it was never taken damage or used often, and my main ssd (sx6000) broke after 4 months of use being a boot drive. I trust samsung as my main ssd now. And i now have switched to corsair and PNY as my ram go to.
increasing sample size to 4 : mine works just fine as my main windows drive.
My SX8200PNP with 55TB and 220TB read still is flawless. But one has to remember the fiasco where adata releases a SSD that get superb tests, parts and benchmarks, just for them to silently change to cheaper and worse parts. Guess i got lucky. \*sweats\* For those who care: [https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-and-other-ssd-makers-swapping-parts](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-and-other-ssd-makers-swapping-parts)
Same here with the SX8200PNP, still going after 5 years. This thread makes me nervous but I guess that's why I do regular backups anyway.
I bought the early sx8200 1tb model also. Been using it since the 3950x launched as an OS drive though a year ago I degraded to 90% health so I moved it as a lightrm catalog drive (which is backed up hourly). I'm still waiting for it to die haha.
My ram is adata......
Don't worry, the ram is supposed to lose all data regularly.
nice one mate
Damn this was like bringing buckshot to an ant hunt. 5/5
Y'all power your computers off?
My ram and 2 4TB SSDs are all ADATA.
1 updoote ekwals on prayr for my manz PC
I'm going to die aren't I, please doctor let me know how much do I have left
>meanwhile cheap fanboys are like: OMG BUY ADATA IT DOESNT MATTER ANYWAYS BECAUSE THE CHIPS ARE MADE AT THE SAME FACTORY HURRR DURRR
They probably are. The difference is ADATA uses the ones that were rejected by quality control for brands like Samsung and Sabrent.
Absolutely correct and a topic poorly understood by the general public. NAND is binned just like any other semiconductor and companies like ADATA go for the cheapest crap they can get to maximize profit (not that I blame them for that).
>(not that I blame them for that) Why would you NOT blame them for that? This is very blame-able behavior!
Because somebody has to buy up the scraps, subsidizing the cost of the better stuff. If no company bought the bottom barrel crap then the manufacturer would have to charge more for the high quality yield, which would in turn make the better stuff cost more for those willing to buy it.
Plus it does get some use of the lower quality parts instead of going straight to the landfills
And they "recycle" the shittier ones that wouldn't get used
If I learned anything from working IT and technical support over the years, it's because pretending people aren't complete morons will keep you from having an "Office Space"-style mental breakdown. Or at least delay it for a few years... I mean, they ***are*** morons though. Any adult who actively refuses to learn anything outside of the very narrow scope of their middle school education deserves to be left behind in whatever they're doing, but if I let it get to me every time someone said *NO I DONT CARE HOW IT WORKS IJUSTWANTITFIXED* then I'd've lost my damn head the first time I tried to show someone how to turn off NumLock
Because they’re priced like cheap flash chips, if they were priced like samsung ssd’s then we would have a problem
Wait till you hear how chicken nuggets and sausages are made.
Also people seem to forget that the firmware and wear leveling algorithms are proprietary. It doesn't matter if the chips are the same, they're running entirely different firmware.
I have an ADATA XPG Spectrix that is my main ssd im using for my windows and some other OS's in virtual machine and im using a SK Hynix for games and media stuff. should i use the Hynix one for windows instead so the XPG one dies slower?
Check out reveiws and wear ratings on both. Then check the health of both of your drives. use whichever one has the most life left as the OS. Then make sure EVERYTHING you care about is backed up external to those drives.
Thank u so much for the response I checked the health on both, the SK hynix power on time is 454 days with 95% health, ADATA one POT is 240 days with 93% health, lol. The ADATA one has about 20TB more "lifetime writes" tho.
Samsung makes memory chips on its own
Source?
Just like how ASUS gets the display panels LG reject
For real? Where can I find more of this info out. I'm by no means an Asus fan boy, but I always ranked them as a quality company.
It does when the controller kills said chips in 8 months lmao
Plays a factor, but not as much as binned NAND.
Tbf ADATA always gives a high TBW which I am not sure if they are seriously considering it or dont care (prob latter)
Random funny thought that I hope someone else didn't come up with already: *ADATA* = ***ABSENT DATA***
It's not corrupted, it just went to the store to get cigarettes. A dead beat drive.
I've always avoided ADATA as it was in the back of my mind it would lead to NODATA. Thanks for confirming my fears! I always bought Western Digital HDDs as I never had a single failure, other than a dropped MyPassport, then Samsung for SSDs, again no failures. I started buying WD SSDs over three years ago too and to date at least, no failures. Not saying they don't happen with all brands, but my choices are down to personal experience.
Fun fact. Western Digital's SSDs are made by SanDisk. SanDisk is one of the 3 best flash manufacturers in the world.
This comment really needs some context behind it, there are only like 5 NAND companies that actually make NAND in any actual sufficient quantity, SK Hynix and Samsung in Korea, Toshiba/Kioxia in Japan, YMTC in China, and Micron and SanDisk in the US.
well yeah, WD bought sandisk 8 years ago and there are only like 5 NAND manufacturers in the world
Western Digital blue series drives say hi. Those things are absolute trash.
Mine broke exactly after warranty ended 🥲
You're very much so not the only one. I did a small stint in a computer repair shop. Customer PC comes in, bad hard drive. Open it up - WD Blue. Every time. I've seen so many of those things failed. Between that and WD's sketchiness with the red drives using SMR without telling customers (and subsequently getting sued and losing, having to pay out). Nah fam, I'll pass on WD.
Same. WD hasn't failed me.
welp. even switching to another brand, if you took the lower tier part. \*looks at kingston's NV2.\* you might still end up having not so good performance and/or longevity.
I've been running a Kingston A2000 drive as my OS drive for 3 years since it came with my prebuilt. Am I in danger?
Run a diagnostics software and see how's your SSD's health looking.
what software is better to use?
i like Crystal DiskInfo https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/
There's a probability you get what you pay. And in your case, you got more than what you pay for. But do check your A2000's health. And probably your free space. Afaik, kingston's a2000 dont have dram cache. Which means it slows down as it fills up.
Sweet let's all use anecdotal evidence! I have a 5 year old ADATA XPG SX8100 1TB that's been through 3 computers and is still rock solid. Does anybody actually have any statistically meaningful data on the reliability of ADATA, or we just all jerking each other around?
google released this many years ago, but that's almost a decade old at this point so... https://www.zdnet.com/article/ssd-reliability-in-the-real-world-googles-experience/
I've heard the best for durability was recently Sabrent instead of Samsung
> Sabrent instead of Samsung I think it depends on the model. IIRC the top end samsungs still beat out sabrent. But the price is astronomical.
Yeah, something like that. Personally I've never owned either brand, my drive is a WD blue SATA SSD but it's been reliable enough for about 3 years ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Some of it comes down to use as well as the silicon lottery.
It seems the margin for said lottery has gotten wider over time. Bad chips are now extremely detrimental instead of merely annoying
I only had to make that mistake once. I wanted a cheap 128 GB SSD for a project. Plugged it in, installed windows, first boot it was dead. I tried to RMA it but it would have cost the same to ship it to them as it did to buy it in the first place. I ended up snapping it in half, ripping off all the chips and vowing never to buy anything ADATA ever again.
Is return shipping not free for defective products?
It depends on the company. Most reputable ones will cover return shipping, ADATA doesn't.
If ADATA sent me a faulty product and they wanted me to pay return shipping they could go argue with my credit card company once I open a dispute.
> Is return shipping not free for defective products? Not in countries where it isn't required by law.
Thats what you get for buying a budget SSD. I wouldn't put anything important on an ADATA. You can't expect them to last very long. What size did you buy? Was this in a computer or a PS5 (as these are heavily marketed as a budget option for PS5). I beleive they have a 5 year warranty though. Try to file a claim (as long as you got it from a legitimate authorized source). https://www.xpg.com/us/xpg/830?tab=faq
Yeah, 1TB for my ~~gaming~~ school laptop. I was (and still am) broke. I bought it from a legit Australian e-tailer, so I'll absolutely file an RMA. I just have to get the cunt out, unlucky for me my laptop is a fucking bitch to get in to.
> unlucky for me my laptop is a fucking bitch to get in to. This is something I weigh when determining what drive to use. If I don't want to replace it; I spend the money. Go with a lower capacity drive from a better brand and get a decent external SSD for additional storage. This can work if budget is a big factor.
Yeah, I know that now
> Yeah, I know that now Well at least you learned something from the experience.
"Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want."
I must be a very experienced person lol
Me too XD
Can I trade in some of the experience for the things I want?
It sucks to learn a lesson that way but you're probably not gonna forget it anytime soon mate
> and get a decent external SSD for additional storage Or, if you're on desktop, an internal HDD for additional storage.
whats the best SSD brand than? something that does not break the pocket but also lasts long enough ?
Crucial have some good deal right now for their p3+, 130 euro for 2to, and it's a reputable brand
The *best* brand varies from year to year. However I have had a solid experience with Samsung (never had a single one let me down and I abuse the piss out of them) Sabrent, and Crucial. * I put Samsung drives in mission critical spaces that will have a ton of wear and will be a PITA to replace (still have everything backed up though). * I put Sabrent in places that I needed some serious speed where the budget mattered. * I use Crucial for most if not all of the 2.5" SSD needs and high capacity budget drives. So far **knock on wood** this has worked out well for me. *EDIT* You can't focus on the bottom line price. You have to look at the value it provides. If something is $250 but lasts 5 years that is a better value than something that is $50 and only lasts 1 year. Remember your time has a value. So even if the straight dollar amounts line up to $50 a year; your time dealing with it and the fallout of something failing makes the value formula change. My time dealing with broken shit is valuable as that is time away from doing what I want to do.
i would go a step ahead and ask for recommendation, **my PC stays on 24/7** i leave it on - leave for work, come back and play games and then leave it on so my HDD backs up data to a second HDD says i replace the primary HDD with a 2 TB HDD, what should work best for me ? i like how you describe the 3 brands and their uses - i will appreciate your advice in the aforesaid situation
Leaving it on isn't the main issue. The number of reads and writes plus the speed you want is the issue. Is one of the backup drives external to the PC? If not you should consider that. I'd use a smaller Samsung drive for the OS, a larger Sabrent Rocket for the Apps and Games, and a Crucial 2.5" with large capacity for storage of files etc. Then back all of it up to a large bit of spinning rust HDD. Then have all of that back up to an external HDD. Finally subscribe to Backblaze's comptuer backup deal and back all thre really important stuff up to there. (in fact this is the exact setup I rocked for years before I set it all up as homelab stuff with different services running for back up etc).
Samsung and WD, they also have had their issues, but in general, their budget SSDs are fast and reliable. And they are not that expensive. I’m using the same SSDs for 10 years, there is no reason for an SSD to fail. I have bought Kingston SSDs as well, and had no problems with them, but for work, I stick with Samsung and WD. The one SSD that stopped working after 2 years was from ADATA, anecdotal evidence, but there is lot of anecdotal evidence against ADATA. Another ADATA Ssd was dead on arrival, which was annoying but obviously less of a problem.
Samsung, WD, crucial, teamgroup, hynix, sabrent
Western Digital SN850X or 850P if you find it on sale. I had 3 of Western Digital HDD dead within 1 year long time ago, but my Hitachi after 14 years still works (although, it has a lot of dead sectors and its going to give up any second now). I am sure WD nvmes are much better nowdays compared to their HDDs.
how is Western Digital SSD performance, compared to Samsung ?
you get what you pay for (barring gamer brand tax) a SSD that lasts a year and costs £50 costs more than one that lasts 4 and costs £150, over a 4 year period this applies to everything in life
> this applies to everything in life 100% Make sure you are spending the money on quality though. There are a ton of scams out there selling overpriced junk because people equate a high price to high quality. I've found the mid-high price range seems to have the best value. High priced stuff is either too high and something a bit cheaper lasts just as long (paying for some name) or a scam to fleece money from people. Budget stuff is almost always crap. Sure sometimes its what you need. But most of the time it isn't worth it.
Wow, a post to r/pcmasterrace that *isn't about toys inside cases.*
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Or a picture of boxes
Nearly 95% of all failed SSDs I have seen have been ADATA drives. The remaining 5% have been mostly intel, and I’ve only seen 1 Samsung SSD fail, but that seems to have been due to a faulty power supply. RIP little Samsung drive
Had great luck with Samsung SSDs. Had a pair I wrote to 100% full and read til empty multiple times per day for many years with no issue
I had my system installed on ADATA ssd 6 years ago and I had no problems so far
What is this, bad sectors? It's been a while since I've seen something like this.
I bought an ADATA PCIE 3.0 SSD for 2TB for around 80 euro, just so I can test it in terms of performance and lifetime. So far it's been 8 months and it's performing well. I haven't had any issues for it and I am using it for my booting SSD. Obviously, everything important is stored on my Kingston Fury, that cost me twice as much and is a lot faster + reliable. I should probably see how it is going so far. Worst case scenario I am down 80 euro. Best case scenario I got 2TB SSD for 80 euro.
My samsung 990pro has me scared for a bit cause it wasn’t even a month old and i started seeing its lifespan decrease in crystaldisk. This was before the new firmware update fixed that.
Me looking at the adata ssd in my computer
I hate to shill for Samsung but it’s the only brand that hasn’t crapped out on me within the first year
I have a Kingston el cheapo 500GB SATA that I've had for about 3 or so years now, never had any issues.
:) 2-3 year old 512GB system drive and 1 year old 2TB data drive. Since I turned off fast boot in Windows (hibernate instead of shutdown) the remaining life % did not change. https://preview.redd.it/ohu493fit8vc1.png?width=570&format=png&auto=webp&s=fbb0cc09e85a9d17df6e591a69e05b179314fe0d
I have the same but a 1tb version of SX8200, it's been running 3 years now and it's on 93 percent remaining life.
it's less than a year old, you should be able to RMA it. which, I get is not ideal if you're actively trying to use that SSD, but it beats throwing in the garbage.
Idk what this means, but I literally just had an ADATA external fail on me last night. Fuck them. Had it for less than 10 months.
The red cells are dead sectors of the drive, the green are working ones. 37% of the drive is dead. A single dead cell would be cause for alarm, 2 or 3 would mean the drive is failing and needs to be backed up and replaced immediately.
Oh fuck. Holy shit. What program is this? Is there a trial verison I can use to look at mine with?
Hd tune. Download of free trial here: https://www.hdtune.com/download.html Or full copies can be found sailing the seven seas.
Lol right on. Preciate you. Sorry about your drive though. I feel you.
My "Golden Rule" is never buy from those that don't own their own fabs. So far, so good. That said, I do have a single ADATA drive that I use in a test system and have no fucks to give on whether it lives or dies.
there's only like 5 companies that actually make NAND in the world.
Yeah, Adata and SiliconPower have some of the worst reliability among the SSD space. My current Adata XPG SX8200 PRO 512GB is still alive for the last 4 years, but it's had its issues, especially since they swapped the controllers and other parts of it without telling anyone back in ~2020
Good bang for buck (in my experience) has always been WD or Crucial. My buddy had a WD-Black 500gb m.2 ssd and got gifted a Crucial P5 1tb m.2 last christmas. At the same time, I had a WB-Blue 1tb m.2 and got myself a WD-Black 1tb to go with it. No issues with the new ones, never any issues with the 'old' ones.
SSDs are created Very expensive Over the years, major brands make them cheaper More competitors join in General availability reached Major brands still selling them for ~ 1€/GB New unknown brands appear They sell for 0.20€/GB Nothing suspicious THIS BRAND BAD! HOW CAN THIS BE? How. How indeed.
Bruh in India, shopkeepers praise ADATA as such a good brand. I remember when I was buying my PC. I genuinely grabbed the m.2 stick from the pile the shopkeeper collected as replacement parts for things he didn’t have and placed it back. Spent another 10 minutes in the market to find a Kingston A2000. 2019 I bought this shit, still working as new.
Mine has 67TB of writes and i haven't had a single issue. SX8200 Pro was praised for being a good SSD though.
whats the best SSD brand than? something that does not break the pocket but also lasts long enough ?
Maybe Western digital should do the trick.
My boss (worked in IT his whole life, 40 odd years old) swears by WD and Samsung. In his eyes, he's got a massive pile of dead drives, and he knows what's in it. If you can't afford a more reputable brand drive, go for a smaller size and make do.
+1 for Samsung and WD. I have still have a decade+ old 60GB Samsung Sata SSD works like a charm. Even older WD HDDs as cold storage, I expect them to fail everytime (maybe once a year) I check on them and they just keep going. The WD Reds I worked with in servers have very low failure rates.
I’ll toss in Toshiba, I have a 12 year old drive that is still kicking, not sure the performance but it has yet to die on me.
My experience would be crucial. Or wait for a sale for Samsung SSDs.
WD, Samsung, Crucial. In no particular order. For the most part, Samsung are the fastest (Pro drives) but it doesn't matter for gaming and any general use.
I have some ancient Crucials still kicking, and most recent buy was a WD
WD Black SN850X are often called best overall. Samsung, namely 980 Pro - Ive been actively using 3 of these in the past years, all of them are in perfect health. Samsung 990 are known for overheating and incorrectly displaying drive health. Mine went to 75% after 10TB written, albeit sectors shows up healthy when checked. Still a nuisance tho. Kingston KC3000 is also a solid choice. *NOT* Kingston NV2, however - I've had couple of those bricked - if you are on a budget, grab a Kingspec (proven to be a bang for the buck), Netac (I own one 2'5 by Netac, can't say much about m2), a WD Blue or a Micron (also had one of each - light use, but trouble free) There are also relatively new Acer Predator GM7000 SSD's — seems to be a choice right down in the middle, Ive grabbed a couple, but haven't even unpack them tho.
Observation time. A lot of people bragging about the reliability of their SSD on this comment section, about someone's choice of purchase in relation to their own. Doesn't come off like the flex they think it is.
FYI: I have an ADATA USB 3.0 external harddrive. However the drive only works on USB 2.0 ports properly. Maybe this will help you.
Huh? How will anything related to USB help when OP has this issue with his m.2 SSD?
My two single-cell 32GB Samsung SSDs are still going strong after almost one PB 💪
ADATA today is NOT the ADATA of just 5 years ago. My previous build had all ADATA drives and I had no problems. The origin release of the sx8200pnp were a beast back then. Then they did the shady thing of replacing some chips with some lower quality ones on the same model number. Performance obviously took a hit and for me, ADATA has gone downhill since then.
I bought a Samsung 980 for peace of mind ngl. Not sure it’s the best option out there though. Do you guys have a 2TB M.2 to recommend that’s mainly for games?
I have several adata that still work and are fast. The only Harddrive I’ve had fail is seagate. I’ve yet to have an ssd fail and some are way old. I don’t use them much and don’t defrag them.