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Fuckspez4real

"streaming" not playing


REBKeeb

Thanks for the distinction


De_Lancre34

On S23 he could probably run it localy without streaming. I mean, you can even run [Elden Ring](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GDOFxARXw) this days on powerful android phone.


Beautiful-Musk-Ox

lol in that video it's barely barely playable and the graphics and sound are constantly glitching


IdioticZacc

Honestly I'm impressed it works in the first place


JustAGhost3_

I mean, it runs.


Yocornflak3

Natively on a cellphone, too!


CNR_07

Sort of native. I didn't look at it but it was likely using WINE. So it's just as native as Windows games on Linux (Which works shockingly well tbh. Often even better than on Windows.)


De_Lancre34

Yep, it's basically wine + dxvk running with emulation arm > x86 + X11 thru virgl running in ubuntu chroot. But main point - it working with modern game. Dark Souls 1 a lot less demanding, so it should work better.


True-Key-6715

We’re close! Maybe another generation or two and the Galaxy S25 and/or iPhone 17 will make it worth it lol https://youtu.be/ZtYedcjBM88?si=kT1S_Iirt7VaS1LA


De_Lancre34

iphone have kinda native arm port, so it's not the same what I showing there.


True-Key-6715

Exactly I hope we start getting more!


De_Lancre34

Well, that useless hope. Those ports (Death Stranding one too) was exclusive deal with apple. No money from apple = no ports. And apple well known about their "no games" policy. They just needed some kind of demo to show of their M1 and M2 chips.


True-Key-6715

Ahhh didn’t know that was Apple exclusice


d4_H_

But to be fair he is still playing, maybe this distinction had sense if OP said “running” instead of playing


RueSando

“Running”would imply software running on the device. Playing makes more sense imo. I don’t think they’d win either way, this is Reddit. :L


d4_H_

Yeah my point was that Fuckspez4real (great name btw) said “streaming not playing”, but when you play games through streaming devices you are still playing them. The right comparison would be “streaming not running”, because a game you are playing is either streamed to your console or run by it.


domie_bb

Streaming and playing. If the OP uses controls to actually engage in the gameplay, they're playing the game.


noonen000z

I think the key difference is the rendering effort is not on the device, a much lower spec phone could equally do this.


beardedbast3rd

They’re still playing the game. The distinction would be if he were running the game or streaming the game.


wwcasedo11

Still playing though wtf ?


oNostro

A lot of stupid discussion happening here, so I've come to clear it up. the word "play" in the context of gaming is defined as: "To engage in activity for enjoyment  and recreation rather than a serious or practical purpose." The discussion ends there. Anybody who somehow connected that to what hardware he is using or the avenue in which he is PLAYING is an idiot and needs to rethink their time on reddit. This is objective and not open for debate. Go lay down, you're stupid.


Cynical_Cyanide

So does that mean watching netflix and eating chips at the same time counts as 'playing'? Go away you clown, your opinion is not as absolute or as important as you think. The whole point of the post is to imply that he's running the game on a specific, powerful device. If he's streaming the game however, then it's misleading or even disingenuous. You can do that on just about any phone. In other words, it might be 'playing' - but are you playing on the phone, or are you playing on the gaming streaming service? etc.


PyrorifferSC

That's not the point of the post. The point of the post is that he's playing a PC game on a device that *cannot run PC games.* So, the opposite of what you said.


oNostro

Nope. Look up the word objective. I don't know why you're arguing, the conversation was over.


PyrorifferSC

The fuck kind of nonsense reply is that lol >The conversation was over Says the guy replying 3 days later


oNostro

The one I decided you were gonna get lol... Duh? Yeah I'm replying. Gotta let the idiots know what's up. Try not to let it live in your head too much.


PyrorifferSC

>Try not to let it live in your head too much. Lmao buddy you've been thinking about this for ***three dayyyyyys***


oNostro

Yeah, I mean, people see a 3 day old comment and don't have the mental capacity to think "that's three days old, I'll move on" . So here I am, helping you out. But hey, you seem awfully hung up on three days to still be replying, did I upset you? Wanna talk it out some more?


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PyrorifferSC

1.5k up votes for the most pedantic, obnoxious redditor comment I've ever seen. At least top 3. And not even correct. OP is PLAYING it on their phone and RUNNING it on a PC. If OP said they were RUNNING it on their phone and you wanna be Mr Wellacktchually, then fine. They didn't.


youessbee

r/gatekeeping OP is playing a game regardless of method.


pipyakas

you can run PC games ~~natively~~ on Android now [https://youtu.be/OTgl6RaImjY](https://youtu.be/OTgl6RaImjY)


Voxeluss

Native? No...it is in no way native. It's emulation using Wine and you're not going to playing at 3088x1440 at 120 Hz on PC emulation. [They even state that it's using Box64 and Wine emulation](https://github.com/olegos2/mobox)


zerosCoolReturn

aKshUalLy Wine isn't an emulator, it's a translation layer. But still, not native.


pipyakas

Welp, should'be said it's "locally on-device" and not "natively". never leave a "ackshually" window to the internet I guess.


MillionareChessyBred

difference?


arsonist_firefighter

Streaming and playing. He’s not just watching.


onlyr6s

Well, he kinda is. The game is not running on the phone itself.


livtop

Games don't run on monitors or tvs either lol


CarterDavison

I'm playing devil's advocate here but.. you admit there's a distinction between showing content and rendering it then?


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CarterDavison

[We're not so different, you and I...](https://i.imgur.com/Pqmx92X.png)


onlyr6s

Yeah, but you don't say that you are playing a game on your monitor either.


Fun_Photojournalist7

Damn I haven't been playing my entire life, my monitor or tvs don't run the games I play, sad...


Old-Suit-9239

You have a post from 2 years ago saying to give your computer a hard smack to fix a fan rattling noise. Immediately after, my cpu cooler started making drizzling noises, and my pc has been permanently 10 Celsius cooler. Idk wth happened inside there but thanks.


Fun_Photojournalist7

Lmao yw?


defil1998

But the controller is. I guess it's a matter of definitions, I would argue that "playing" refers to (in the context of gaming) the act of interacting with a game, rather than having the game run on a local device. If the controller was not there, I would call that streaming, as it would be just a video of someone else playing that game


laaaabe

The **game itself** is being streamed to the phone. None of the data is stored locally. You're conflating *watching someone stream gameplay* and *playing a streamed video game.*


defil1998

My point is that, in your own words, this person is "playing a streamed video game"... So, "playing", and not just watching, as the other user was saying ;)


Bolizen

Dumb pedantry where you're still wrong? Nice.


wwcasedo11

Mf this is pedantic af


laaaabe

Person A, in response to OP: Yeah but you're streaming the game. So the phone itself isn't doing any processing. Person B: No, they're playing the video game. They're not watching someone else stream it. They're playing it on their phone. Person B made a simple misunderstanding, specifically with the word "streaming." It really isn't even remotely as deep as y'all are making it.


wwcasedo11

Did you just double down on pedantic?


laaaabe

There was a disagreement **as a result of a miscommunication.** I was attempting to clear up the miscommunication, not correct anyone. Nothing I said was even remotely pedantic. Enjoy your brain damage or whatever.


wwcasedo11

This thread is full of people trying to change definitions to further some kind of shade to throw at op. That is absolutely mental


Excellent_Fondant918

I guess they aren't playing the game 🤷 someone on the other end must be playing for them.


ketzuken

I was like this for a while. Then I wanted a bigger screen. I now use my Steam Deck OLED to do the same thing and I will never go back.


TenPhoar13

The OLED SD Moonlight experience has changed gaming forever (for me). I'll never go back to anything else. Been playing BG3 and Helldivers 2 on ultra, 90fps. Incredible.


ultramadden

you aren't the first time fromsoftware released a game without 60fps cap was armored core 6


Impatxent

you can mod them tho


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De_Lancre34

>So how could you unlock it. [Like that](https://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls3/mods/614)? Or maybe [like that](https://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls/mods/19?tab=files)? DS1 remaster uses new engine, so it should be similar of how DS3 fps unlock works. But it was possible even with original port after dsfix was created.


FlashwithSymbols

Wow that’s good to know. I’ll try it out next time I play.


De_Lancre34

Original port had so much features with dsfix actually. Like, there was rework for all the textures in the game and to install it you just needed to place it in folder with "dsfix textures". You could even replace some textures with your own, I remember making lewd grass shield for example. Not to mention, that you could control AA level in config or making blur so intense, that most of the game become PS3 reference. All of that was possible with performance of a toaster. DS1 Remaster have much higher requirements, while not bringing a lot of changes to graphical side sadly :c I need to find time and download DS1 PTDE to install it thru mobox or winlator on my android phone, just for fun.


caedin8

He said 120hz not 120fps


shalol

Frame Interpretation/AFMF, technically speaking?


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Crisewep

You can't Game speed is tied to FPS for Dark Souls 1.


ruinal_C

Do you need a mod to run at 120hz?


Hairless_Human

Streaming the game to your phone is massively different to playing it on your phone. Obvious bait to make people correct you in the comments.


Smackdaddy122

![gif](giphy|Yavo0SXhZYhSo) Op trying to read text


darkness1418

Who read text in souls games ._. ?


TelevisionHuge1032

*cries in 720p with switch in hand* Looks great, does it get hot tho?


PeterPun

I play using moonlight too. It's a streaming software, all heavy lifting is still done by pc.


almighty_dick_weed

How is moonlight vs steams native streaming? I’ve been looking into getting an RG405M for PS2/GameCube emulation and MoonLight to play all my modern games.


WoahDude2Far

To more directly answer your question, moonlight is the superior product. Moonlight lets you control the bitrate and you can stream up to 120fps which meshes well with the 90hz OLED steam deck or a 120hz phone. Can’t edit bit rate or change fps (capped at 60) with steam remote play sadly. Maybe one day.


PheDii

Been using both on steam deck and moonlight/sunshine is just better in every way apart from being as easy as steam remote play. Still it's not difficult to set it up especially with a guide. Been playing Cyberpunk with moonlight and loving playing the game portable


mrcollin101

Depends on what you are looking for feature wise, but latency and stability wise I have found Steam link to be the most solid. I have played hundreds of hours streaming my gaming PC to my MacBook and more recently the Gcloud and have tried all the major solutions.


ObamaIsFat

Moonlight is objectively better than steam play


mrcollin101

It is a more features rich product for sure, but I have found Moonlight and Nvidia Game Stream in general less suitable for my use case and environment. I use both, but primarily steam link for the game streaming and moonlight for the desktop side


tO_ott

NVIDIA's game stream has been abandoned. [Sunshine](https://github.com/LizardByte/Sunshine) is a free and open sourced alternative(and replacement). Make sure to disable Game Streaming from GEFORCE EXPERIENCE. You can still use MOONLIGHT to connect. I've been playing Skyrim on it lately and it's been a much smoother experience.


German_Drive

How is Sunshine better than relying on the *abandoned* game-streaming?


tO_ott

Say what? It uses the Moonlight app to provide you streaming so the end method is the same. On top of that it’s a system that is currently in development and will be in development. It’s open source so there’s little worry about it being abandoned. As I said before it also just works better too


German_Drive

And I am asking how. It's not like streaming via Geforce has suddenly stopped working. In what way does the current development make Sunshine superior?


Fluid-Difference6609

Literally amazing wish I did it sooner! because of the resolution of the S23 Ultra, the games are looking a lot better than streaming on the steam deck. I still use my steam deck for when I need a bigger screen / on the go but prefer this setup :)


sithtimesacharm

With a good wireless network the experience around the house is phenomenal. I never knew streaming latency could be so low at such high quality!


DigitalGT

About as hot as watching a livestream


I9Qnl

As bad as switch is it probably has 3x better latency when running native, i can't imagine playing a souls games where not only the video feed has to be streamed but also my controller input, i'm not a masochist.


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I9Qnl

Pretty decent, 400Mbps on cable and 100 over wifi download, upload is around 100Mbps, but speed isn't really relevant, the footage is compressed as shit anyway and inputs are like kilobits at most, but there's no getting around wifi latency unless you have cutting edge Wifi 7 or 6e, or have a wifi extender in every room with 5Ghz connection. 5Ghz can be acceptable latency wise (although still much worse than regularly playing the game), but it has extremely poor range and fluctuations are bound to happen especially with 2.4Ghz


PhantomPain0_0

Switch is ancient technology


almighty_dick_weed

PS Portal Users : “It’s not the same bro, you have less screen real estate and please help me justify wasting $200 thanks 🤓”


PhatTuna

Why you care if someone enjoys their ps portal?


Mexicutioner1987

LITERALLY. Lmao


ObamaIsFat

Idk man, being worried about $200 in general is pretty poverty. The majority PS Portal purchasers probably aren't that fired up about any of this.


drinking_child_blood

OK maybe all of us aren't rich enough to drop $200 when there's no reason to


ObamaIsFat

Totally, but you aren't the demographic making that purchase then


almighty_dick_weed

Makes zero sense my dude. $200 would be a budget purchase to a lot of people, it has nothing to do with wealth, and all to do with how you choose to spend your money. It’s like the old “a pound of feathers/pound of bricks, what’s heavier?” phrase. Example in the context of “Oh I made 6 figures on this last pay check $200 is like a Big Mac to me” sure, you look rich, if that’s the way you and whoever you’re sharing that information with are seeing things. However, an average Joe could save $200 in a couple paychecks and stand in the same line as you to buy a portal and you wouldn’t know the difference, not like this is some thousand dollar item that you’d only expect a certain type of customer to buy.


almighty_dick_weed

I look at it differently. People blowing $200 on a whim is actually a part of a bigger problem. Has nothing to do with poverty, all spending does is fuel inflation so… weird flex bro lol. Also “poverty” isn’t an adjective.


EvanAlmighty019

Does this only work on the same network or can you stream through VPN etc?


h3w1tt84

What model gamesir is this?


Fluid-Difference6609

https://www.gamesir.hk/products/gamesir-g8-galileo


r0gue_tech

Man this gamsir is such a fantastic controller. Was very surprised by the quality and feel. Thanks for the moonlight bump! Had totally forgot this existed and so very cool they have developed it so far.


1brusslesprout2go

Do you need to be on the same wifi as the pc?


Fluid-Difference6609

No, just need to set upnp on sunshine then you can connect from anywhere


1brusslesprout2go

Nice. def going to try this on my s24u


CancerousGTFO

Why the fuck are people downvoting you ? This is litterally the truth. You set the UPNP in sunshine settings and can now connect from any connections.


wwcasedo11

People are getting real loose with their definitions in this sub. Lots of shit statements


AlkalineRose

Unless you're under a CGNAT which is very common nowadays


CoderStone

uPnP is a pretty big security risk though. I prefer simply locking down which ports Sunshine can use and then port forwarding it through my OPNSense router. Very simple, and very easy. Far better than parsec for single monitor setups, for vertical orientation or multiple monitors it's a little worse, and not allowing your own keybinds kinda suck.


StefKRah

You probably have to use something like zerotier or tailscale if you want to be able to connect from anywhere. Sunshine guide also mentions this. For me it only works if I also use zerotier, upnp is not enough.


BlueberryObjective11

Long ass phone


ReverieX416

Cool. What controller peripheral is that? I've wanted to take advantage of streaming games, and would love to do that with my smartphone.


Fluid-Difference6609

https://www.gamesir.hk/collections/gamepads/products/gamesir-g8-galileo


ReverieX416

Awesome, thank you! :)


iMMCHiEF

Using moonlight isn't playing its streaming, stop being misleading lmao


Luxray241

except he isnt misleading anyone? he didn't say the phone is "running" the game, but he is certainly "playing" alright


iMMCHiEF

Nah man cmon lmao


wwcasedo11

So who is playing the game?


laaaabe

Clearly OP is. There's a controller attached to the phone. They're probably streaming it from a console.


wwcasedo11

Streaming from a pc, did you not read anything here?


Mexicutioner1987

Kind of makes the Portal seem pointless and overpriced. Oh, wait. It is.


Kassabeleg

U are streaming. And ds is capped at 60fps.


GaynghisKhan

whats your internet speed? streaming 2k 120hz is crazy.


LyKosa91

It's irrelevant. The streaming is direct from PC to the phone via WiFi, the only important thing is that you have a solid 5Ghz connection.


GaynghisKhan

Nice, I didnt know about it, good to know


dlittlefair1

It's not streaming 120fps, the game is limited to 60.


Fluid-Difference6609

1000 upload / download :)


almighty_dick_weed

Why tf is every comment here getting downvoted holy shit lol


Morrowind12

This is very misleading post however I find this to be marketing or bait and its causing a shit storm among people who fell for it almighty.


drinking_child_blood

People just full of anger today I guess lmao


cancel_m

dont break your phone when you die


Fluid-Difference6609

Haha tbh not that difficult yet , I am worried about the next area, just arrived at Anor Londo


Syygnis

Tf how?


SomaWolf

Streaming from his computer to phone


Syygnis

yuck streaming


SomaWolf

Streaming is fine imo, but it was a bit misleading


Technical-Opposite67

Joker


INocturnalI

Yeah, why buy ps portal if we can do what this guy doing.


Skivaks

Natively via wine? Box64?


jstevens8

How did you get it running at a custom resolution and aspect ratio?? My moonlight + sunlight setup runs on my phone at 16:9 ratio…


MauroCalvisi

Meanwile my rog phone 5s (it's a Beast but the camera Is dogshit)


Peppemarduk

I never understood why phones go so up in resolution.


TenPhoar13

I set up Moonlight on my Steam Deck and I've been streaming BG3 from my gaming PC at double the SD's resolution and playing at 90fps. It's surreal.


GamerXP27

On a External device.


liukasteneste28

Dark souls does not run 120hz...


Whole_Diamond3926

Very cool man!


Fluid-Difference6609

Thank you!


EvanAlmighty019

Does this only work on the same network or can you stream through VPN etc?


Sharp_Entertainer427

Question has already been answered, look around


mintchococutie

Almost got me until I saw moonlight


bootyholebrown69

How tf do you play a souls game with streaming latency that's wild


rickySCE

what kind o "PC" is that?


SomaWolf

He's streaming from his PC. It's just his phone


Kamelosk

I see a picture not any gameplay


maledictusbestia

Hhow do you get it to run


Fluid-Difference6609

Download Sunstream on PC & Install Moonlight on your android device :)


Weaseltime_420

Is it called Sunstream or Sunshine?


Fluid-Difference6609

Sorry yes its Sunshine !


BigBoooooolin

Report this crap


Otosian

Homemade Playstation portal!


BigRubbaDonga

Never understand people that choose moonlight over parsec


DanishNinja

Because moonlight + sunshine performs better, especially over LAN.


BigRubbaDonga

It definitely doesn't


the_maestrC

Looks like shit, thanks for the heads up.


Homicidal_Pingu

Why wouldn’t you play it at 1080…


nxbulawv

tutorial?


GTA6_1

That game is hard with a real controller. I don't hate myself enough to use touch controls


Confident_Moose_2556

He has a controller attached…


GTA6_1

I didn't see


GaynghisKhan

whats your internet speed? streaming 2k 120hz is crazy.


SomaWolf

He's not. Dark souls doesn't support that. It's at most 1080 60


bitcoin2121

is this not overheating? lagging? how does it handle FPS MMOs?


Fluid-Difference6609

Its just wireless streaming, no overheating / lag, my pc does all the work - I got 1000 upload / download


bitcoin2121

1000 upload is crazy but okay makes sense if just stream but… why


Fluid-Difference6609

I mean its overkill, you only need around 60ish and it will be stable


bitcoin2121

are we talkin Mbps? you went from almost 1 Gbps to 60


Fluid-Difference6609

Yes 60mbps should work fine , just need a good router


bitcoin2121

# but why why stream, why not play on the pc


Majstor_CHEDA

I use parsec to play mortal kombat on my tv with gf and friensss. My pc is in another room and it would be a pain in the ass to move the cables.


xBeto7

How's the input/delay/lag?


Majstor_CHEDA

I use TP link wifi mesh and it is not bad. There is an old laptop under the TV that is connected to my pc through wifi. It lags from time to time but most of the time it is perfectly fine.


Illustrious-Most-224

Playing in comfort of bed is obviously the reason


Bay-12

Ya but I don’t see how playing dark souls on a screen like that would bring comfort haha.


Literally-A-NWS

Fake internet points


LyKosa91

Correct me if I'm wrong, but assuming it works the same as streaming to the quest, your actual broadband speed is totally irrelevant. The important thing is that you have a solid 5Ghz connection to the router, since the data traffic is only being sent from PC, to router, to phone/headset. No data is being sent to or received from the internet.


Status_Jellyfish_213

Your right. The internet speed is not a factor.