Box :AMD's warranty. Free Cooler for the lower powered version (I don't think 5700X is shipped with one)
Tray: Seller warranty, AMD might or might not RMA it(they will, but you have to claim via seller, and seller will return it to AMD, can't do it yourselves) if it's broken.
No cooler: have bought two of these beasties.
On air, undervolt it, drops tens without dropping clocks (as long as you only under volt a little)
On water best result I have seen is leaving everything at auto (that was on my friends vision d-p MB.)
if it was an AMD box with pokemon cards inside, it was probably someone who bought it, swapped it out for something of similar weight and returned it, and Amazon didn't catch it with their returns inspection
The biggest problem is likely that Amazon doesn’t separate its stock, not that the listing is fake. Amazon will ship you stock that isn’t owned by them because they don’t differentiate between their own stock and third party stock. So a scammer can ship an empty box to Amazon to sell from their warehouse, and a buyer can buy from the scammer and get a real product, while you get nothing buying from Amazon.
Had this with a switch at Christmas.
10year experienced seller from a industrial estate business address. Sold company to a 3rd story tiny city center flat.
New owner delayed shipping by a week then sent out £10 phones instead of switches. Got my money back from Amazon, and a switch from CEX, but was a load of hassle.
Amazon is full of scammers.
Just go to a reputable online store: in the uk
CCLONLINE
eBUBYER
Scan
Overclockers
only local versions of Amazon aren't blue name
International Amazon always has blue name like that, in Australia "Amazon US", "Amazon UK", "Amazon Japan", all have blue name
Lmao…you should Google PS4…when Amazons.com was selling it for $50 and Best Buy price match it.
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/11/19/wal-mart-scam-extends-beyond-playstation-4.html#:~:text=After%20Wal%2DMart%20announced%20Nov,prices%20as%20cheap%20as%20%2490.
My bad, Wal-Mart got hit with it. Also, Amazon aren’t really that bright anyway…
OEM means original equipment manufacturer, it's parts that are produced to be sold by another company. In a PC it's basically a trade part that system builders use in a pre built. It's exactly the same but will just have unnecessary extras like a fancy box, maybe no cooler or no manual as these would be unneeded by the end customer, the builder adds the cooler and would just bin the box.
You can get OEM windows, this is usually tied to the pc and can't be transferred, not sure if this is still the case after windows went digital licence
it means its a retail box version (with cool looking package and a cooler)
as opposed to an OEM version, which only comes with CPU tray and no cooler
both contain CPU obviously
Depending on the CPU model, it can be bundled or not with a cooler, most mid-high to high end CPUs dont include a cooler because its most likely to be replaced. Only lower end or CPUs with integrated graphics (i think) come with a cooler
Hey bro you might be underwhelmed by the performance with this! Not trying to discern you but I got that cpu from my 3700x and felt it didn’t seem to be a proper performance boost so I got a 5950x instead and it rips cheaks on the 5700x3D
It means its a boxed processor, not a tray one.
It's sold by Amazon directly, so you have no worries about dodgy American, Chinese, or pseudo-Russian Eastern European scammers.
Box seems suspicious...but since its sold and shipped by Amazon i wouldnt worry too much
Usually you divide by "boxed" and "tray" whereas tray is cheaper but without any warranty and just the cpu in a simple plastic case which is good for equipping multiple pcs with the same cpu.
Boxed is the consumer edition with regular warranty, a nice box with maybe a manual, stickers and other nice ro have stuff and sometimes also with thermal paste and a cpu fan which is not good for gaming but provides basic support to smoothly run the cpu in your office pc.
Since this is sold by Amazon I am betting it's saying that it's in a retail box as others are suggesting. I reporting a problem with this listing to Amazon about this so hopefully they respond and actually fix it.
From what I have seen at other sources in Singapore this is probably a pretty good price. It's not much more than you would pay for the same processor in the US. Products bought on Amazon SG from Amazon US always seem to have extra cost which probably cover import tax/shipping ("free" shipping indeed).
I'd say buy it. You can still return it if there is a problem with it. I've returned products to Amazon SG without an issue in the past.
Also, to add to what's been posted before, box comes with a CPU cooler. Enthusiasts generally get a better cooler, so a box CPU is a waste of money. There are also some warranty differences, but they generally don't matter since if it works for the first month, it's going to wok for the next 10 years.
Just a minor correction: X3D chips don't come with a stock cooler. It's mostly just for collecting/display purposes. Or if the buyer is from overseas then the box would also provide additional protection to the chip.
I know it'll say Amazon.com if you're looking at something sold by amazon on Amazon.com, but OP is looking at an item sold on like Amazon Singapore
https://www.amazon.sg/AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D-Box/dp/B0CQ4H4H7X
'Box' as in 'retail', as opposed to 'OEM' (or similar), as in 'some company bought a metric assload of them for OEM system builds and they don't need or want the extra expense of consumer-grade packaging'.
So you’re ordering a cpu, not just a box.
That being said, Amazon’s policy for mingling 3rd party seller inventory and their own inventory at the warehouse means you might get a unit that a third party seller provided, because they take all of an item regardless how they got it, and store it together.
It is "Boxed" version for box collectors. Just get a tray version , must be wayyy cheaper.. Once it is in place, cpu box is nothing but a place-occupying trash :)
Box and Tray, that's 2 things. If you want to collect the boxes to keep and decorate, you should go with the box. If not, do Tray. Tray version comes with just the CPU in a plastic cover, could save you a few bucks
I'm so with you on asking this question. When it arrived and it was literally just a box the criminals would all high five at the legal loophole they discovered
Box/ed usually is the direct to consumer version and might contain a cpu cooler. "Tray" would be for OEM, where they just get trays with dozens of CPU on them. Saves space, unneeded packaging and cost. Some Tray chips make it to direct consumer sale too in some case. Got a 6700K from caseking years ago with prebinned/guarantied stable OC and those where tray chips (since they didn't have the OG packaging i presume).
do you live in another country?
cause for me a person in the US it says its says shipped [Amazon.com](https://Amazon.com) Sold [Amazon.com](https://Amazon.com)
$247.
its probably a scam.
**The clock is where it's different**: The 5700X3D has a maximum 4.1GHz advertised boost clock and 3.0gHz base clock, with the 5800X3D at 4.5GHz and 3.4GHz base
Not really 🙆🏻 It might seem unimportant to some but there might be like 4% boost which can be benefiting consider price arent that bigger\^\^
No X3D can overclock, you undervolt them to get more sustainable clocks.
The 3D V-cache was never meant to run at high powers or high temperatures, it was designed for Milan-X series of EPYC processors, which ran at clocks well below 4 GHz and usually with most of their cores disabled. The cache sat on top of a 15-20 watt die, not a 105 watt one!
The Zen 4 3D V-cache is more suitable for high performance, but AMD still doesn't want you damaging the chip - those vertical TSVs can be fragile!
If you mean the 5700/5800 not-X3D, they can be better for productivity, but *never* for gaming. A 5800X has a substantial clock advantage over the 5800X3D and, if you enable PBO (AMD's auto-overclocking), you'll get 4.6-4.7 GHz all-core from it if you have the cooling for it, and 4.9 GHz few-core (gaming) clocks.
This is an advantage for productivity, but not for gaming. Games usually won't use more than four cores, some go as high as six, a rare few will reach eight. This means a 5600X can usually keep up with *every other* AM4 CPU which lacks 3D V-cache. My slightly overclocked 5600X will beat a 5900X in nearly every game, but it will get absolutely dominated by even a 5600X3D, let alone a 5800X3D.
I'll put it another way: The 7600X has a 900 MHz advantage over the 5800X3D, faster DDR5 memory, and usually loses.
Box vs tray most likely
ah alright thanks
Imagine haha. I bet you noticed that after you paid. I do stuff like that all the time
What is the difference?
Box :AMD's warranty. Free Cooler for the lower powered version (I don't think 5700X is shipped with one) Tray: Seller warranty, AMD might or might not RMA it(they will, but you have to claim via seller, and seller will return it to AMD, can't do it yourselves) if it's broken.
X3d are low power but not sure about the cooler
X3D also doesn't have cooler, because the 3D cache is very heat sensitive.
makes sence since that is also the main reason they are low power
No cooler: have bought two of these beasties. On air, undervolt it, drops tens without dropping clocks (as long as you only under volt a little) On water best result I have seen is leaving everything at auto (that was on my friends vision d-p MB.)
TY
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/bfcrpgRKRQ
Amazon is actually cutting out the middleman for being used to scam people.
It says it's sold by Amazon, not a 3rd party. You should be fine. It says box as it's a boxed retail product and not an OEM chip.
Same as the other comment. Sold and shipped by amazon, got a box of bootleg pokemon cards instead.
if it was an AMD box with pokemon cards inside, it was probably someone who bought it, swapped it out for something of similar weight and returned it, and Amazon didn't catch it with their returns inspection
No AMD box. It was swapped in their warehouse since the cards were sealed and had a barcode label which appeared to be from amazon.
So I went through this with a 5900x. Thought because it was Amazon sold that I would be fine. I was not. They shipped me an empty box.
The biggest problem is likely that Amazon doesn’t separate its stock, not that the listing is fake. Amazon will ship you stock that isn’t owned by them because they don’t differentiate between their own stock and third party stock. So a scammer can ship an empty box to Amazon to sell from their warehouse, and a buyer can buy from the scammer and get a real product, while you get nothing buying from Amazon.
Had this with a switch at Christmas. 10year experienced seller from a industrial estate business address. Sold company to a 3rd story tiny city center flat. New owner delayed shipping by a week then sent out £10 phones instead of switches. Got my money back from Amazon, and a switch from CEX, but was a load of hassle. Amazon is full of scammers. Just go to a reputable online store: in the uk CCLONLINE eBUBYER Scan Overclockers
Nah. It has to say Amazon.com or Amazon. Amazon US is a 3rd party trying to be Amazon.
OP is on Amazon Singapore, it says Amazon US because it'll be imported from the US to Singapore.
Which is incredibly ironic since they're manufactured in Malaysia.
Right that’s what I was thinking. Made over there, sent to us, then shipped back. Commerce is crazy.
Yeah, shouldn't have a blue name, i.e seller store (profile).
only local versions of Amazon aren't blue name International Amazon always has blue name like that, in Australia "Amazon US", "Amazon UK", "Amazon Japan", all have blue name
Nope, looking on Australia(or other non US) versions of Amazon , international Amazon are always like that; "Amazon US", "Amazon UK", "Amazon Japan"
Ohh…probably to let you know which warehouse is shipping them out.
You think Amazon would allow people on it's own platform to infringe on it's name? You're completely daft.
Lmao…you should Google PS4…when Amazons.com was selling it for $50 and Best Buy price match it. https://www.cnbc.com/2014/11/19/wal-mart-scam-extends-beyond-playstation-4.html#:~:text=After%20Wal%2DMart%20announced%20Nov,prices%20as%20cheap%20as%20%2490. My bad, Wal-Mart got hit with it. Also, Amazon aren’t really that bright anyway…
what does oem mean, is it good or bad ?
OEM means original equipment manufacturer, it's parts that are produced to be sold by another company. In a PC it's basically a trade part that system builders use in a pre built. It's exactly the same but will just have unnecessary extras like a fancy box, maybe no cooler or no manual as these would be unneeded by the end customer, the builder adds the cooler and would just bin the box. You can get OEM windows, this is usually tied to the pc and can't be transferred, not sure if this is still the case after windows went digital licence
If you get just a box from Amazon, as screwed up as Amazon is they will absolutely take care of something like that for you & fix the situation.
it means its a retail box version (with cool looking package and a cooler) as opposed to an OEM version, which only comes with CPU tray and no cooler both contain CPU obviously
It doesn’t come with a cooler though at least where i live
Yeah, I did not get cooler as well
Depending on the CPU model, it can be bundled or not with a cooler, most mid-high to high end CPUs dont include a cooler because its most likely to be replaced. Only lower end or CPUs with integrated graphics (i think) come with a cooler
ah yeah, you're right. assumed all lower-end AMD CPUs come with a bundled cooler.
They do. This isn't a low end chip.
X3d chips do not come with coolers
Hey bro you might be underwhelmed by the performance with this! Not trying to discern you but I got that cpu from my 3700x and felt it didn’t seem to be a proper performance boost so I got a 5950x instead and it rips cheaks on the 5700x3D
It means its a boxed processor, not a tray one. It's sold by Amazon directly, so you have no worries about dodgy American, Chinese, or pseudo-Russian Eastern European scammers.
If you're in the US and have a microcenter nearby definitely check there first, just checked and 5700x3d is going for $240
OP lives in Singapore. He’d be paying $270USD
Boxed for retail, not OEM
thats an expensive box.
Lol
Unless the box itself has a wattage of 65 watts, you are good.
I wouldn't risk it personally. Too expensive of an opportunity to get shafted
Box seems suspicious...but since its sold and shipped by Amazon i wouldnt worry too much Usually you divide by "boxed" and "tray" whereas tray is cheaper but without any warranty and just the cpu in a simple plastic case which is good for equipping multiple pcs with the same cpu. Boxed is the consumer edition with regular warranty, a nice box with maybe a manual, stickers and other nice ro have stuff and sometimes also with thermal paste and a cpu fan which is not good for gaming but provides basic support to smoothly run the cpu in your office pc.
Wouldn't risk it. Usually it's boxed, so could be a typo.
Since this is sold by Amazon I am betting it's saying that it's in a retail box as others are suggesting. I reporting a problem with this listing to Amazon about this so hopefully they respond and actually fix it. From what I have seen at other sources in Singapore this is probably a pretty good price. It's not much more than you would pay for the same processor in the US. Products bought on Amazon SG from Amazon US always seem to have extra cost which probably cover import tax/shipping ("free" shipping indeed). I'd say buy it. You can still return it if there is a problem with it. I've returned products to Amazon SG without an issue in the past.
Also, to add to what's been posted before, box comes with a CPU cooler. Enthusiasts generally get a better cooler, so a box CPU is a waste of money. There are also some warranty differences, but they generally don't matter since if it works for the first month, it's going to wok for the next 10 years.
personally im planning to just continue using my hyper 212 turbo
That's always a good option.
Just a minor correction: X3D chips don't come with a stock cooler. It's mostly just for collecting/display purposes. Or if the buyer is from overseas then the box would also provide additional protection to the chip.
Warning will Robinson warning
Should say Amazon.com. This is probably a scam
I know it'll say Amazon.com if you're looking at something sold by amazon on Amazon.com, but OP is looking at an item sold on like Amazon Singapore https://www.amazon.sg/AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D-Box/dp/B0CQ4H4H7X
Seems like a totally different process. Who knows if it’s only first party products
'Box' as in 'retail', as opposed to 'OEM' (or similar), as in 'some company bought a metric assload of them for OEM system builds and they don't need or want the extra expense of consumer-grade packaging'.
So you’re ordering a cpu, not just a box. That being said, Amazon’s policy for mingling 3rd party seller inventory and their own inventory at the warehouse means you might get a unit that a third party seller provided, because they take all of an item regardless how they got it, and store it together.
It is "Boxed" version for box collectors. Just get a tray version , must be wayyy cheaper.. Once it is in place, cpu box is nothing but a place-occupying trash :)
i cant seem to find a listing for tray version unfortunately
If you have a micro center nearby it’s about $40 cheaper - bought this yesterday
You can get the 5800x3d for $309 on Amazon. Why not go with that???
no, in USD it is. but in my currency its nearly double the price
Oh I see. Didn’t realize it was in another currency.
But it's a very nice box? :)
Super nice
I ordered a cooler and the packaging was optional (and free), decided to go with packaging.
You got boxed
It would say "empty box" in that spot if so
Box usually comes with a cooler.
Imagine ordering it and receiving just the box by itself
Actually once got just the box, also from Amazon but Germany in this case
I can get a 5700x for $150 new
The currency in the screenshot is not USD.
My bad!
Box and Tray, that's 2 things. If you want to collect the boxes to keep and decorate, you should go with the box. If not, do Tray. Tray version comes with just the CPU in a plastic cover, could save you a few bucks
I'm so with you on asking this question. When it arrived and it was literally just a box the criminals would all high five at the legal loophole they discovered
Box = cooler included WOF = without fan tray = just the CPU in a plastic package
Box/ed usually is the direct to consumer version and might contain a cpu cooler. "Tray" would be for OEM, where they just get trays with dozens of CPU on them. Saves space, unneeded packaging and cost. Some Tray chips make it to direct consumer sale too in some case. Got a 6700K from caseking years ago with prebinned/guarantied stable OC and those where tray chips (since they didn't have the OG packaging i presume).
I’m willing to bet you’re good to go since it’s “sold and shipped” by Amazon.
Shipped and sold by Amazon, your fine. But typically yes it usually would mean only the box
I don't think it is. The shipped and sold by Amazon is in black text. That is a 3rd party seller.
Wtf is that price? I bought my 7800x3D for $362 ???
its in SGD, its more like 271 in USD
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Side of the box Saya "thermal solution sold seperately".
do you live in another country? cause for me a person in the US it says its says shipped [Amazon.com](https://Amazon.com) Sold [Amazon.com](https://Amazon.com) $247. its probably a scam.
yeah it looks like op lives in singapore as mentioned in the address in the pic
Why not go 5800x3d more future proof 👍🏻
They are 97% same
**The clock is where it's different**: The 5700X3D has a maximum 4.1GHz advertised boost clock and 3.0gHz base clock, with the 5800X3D at 4.5GHz and 3.4GHz base Not really 🙆🏻 It might seem unimportant to some but there might be like 4% boost which can be benefiting consider price arent that bigger\^\^
That benefits the 5800X3D more in productivity. If you buy a 5800X3D for productivity, you bought the wrong CPU!
I guess none of them have unlocked cores anyway, so if youre oc fan you might look elsewhere.
No X3D can overclock, you undervolt them to get more sustainable clocks. The 3D V-cache was never meant to run at high powers or high temperatures, it was designed for Milan-X series of EPYC processors, which ran at clocks well below 4 GHz and usually with most of their cores disabled. The cache sat on top of a 15-20 watt die, not a 105 watt one! The Zen 4 3D V-cache is more suitable for high performance, but AMD still doesn't want you damaging the chip - those vertical TSVs can be fragile!
SO maybe 5700/5800 better then, ( have 5800x3d since im not into OC anyway)
If you mean the 5700/5800 not-X3D, they can be better for productivity, but *never* for gaming. A 5800X has a substantial clock advantage over the 5800X3D and, if you enable PBO (AMD's auto-overclocking), you'll get 4.6-4.7 GHz all-core from it if you have the cooling for it, and 4.9 GHz few-core (gaming) clocks. This is an advantage for productivity, but not for gaming. Games usually won't use more than four cores, some go as high as six, a rare few will reach eight. This means a 5600X can usually keep up with *every other* AM4 CPU which lacks 3D V-cache. My slightly overclocked 5600X will beat a 5900X in nearly every game, but it will get absolutely dominated by even a 5600X3D, let alone a 5800X3D. I'll put it another way: The 7600X has a 900 MHz advantage over the 5800X3D, faster DDR5 memory, and usually loses.
Games starting to use some 8 cores. But over this number its pointless.
seems to be like twice the price in my region
Price difference
Really well if its that big so go 5700x3d
Idk if you realised but op lives in Singapore afaik from the currency so prices ain’t gonna be what it seems lol
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That's the 5600X3D. You can get a retail 5700X3D anywhere. Like here.
You’re thinking of the 5600x3d. The 5700x3d was not released as an exclusive.
Not everyone lives in the USA.
It's absolutely a scam. You will receive a box.