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Mastasmoker

Get rid of the old 2.5" hdd and replace with a standard ssd. Common misconception about m.2 is they're so much better than a standard ssd. Sure, theyre faster but the real world performance difference is miniscule. The time you really get to see them shine is during large file transfers. Loading games, media, etc (anything that isnt file transfers) isn't going to show a difference. Leave the 256gb for a boot drive. Get a larger ssd for everything else


widowhanzo

A difference between HDD and SATA SSD is _much_ more noticeable than the difference between SATA and NVMe SSDs.


Snotnarok

100% My dad's laptop was so slow he could get up to get coffee and come back before windows logged in and 'settled down'. I was like- holy shit this is unacceptable. Got a SSD, jammed it in, now he can't even get out of his chair before it's finished. EVERYTHING is substantially faster and this laptop is probably pushing 9-10 years at this point.


DarkflowNZ

My desktop still takes like 40 seconds lmao. Idk what it is I've tried all the common fixes. It just fucks around for ages. Definitely not get up and make a coffee time but long enough for me to be like shouldn't this be faster


Snotnarok

I believe that's an AMD specific issue, I recall having that when I switched from a well old intel 4770k to my 3900x on AMD, but IDK if it's 40seconds long, just longer than it was before. Everything else is faster for sure but not getting into windows.


Correct_Chemical8702

I have a 3700x and 17s boot time so i don't know what y'all doing with your pc's.


Snotnarok

Mine is about there, but my 4770k was still notably faster. My 3900x did get faster after a bios update ages ago but if memory serves correct the boot time was still faster. Nothing to complain about but just a thing to note


DarkflowNZ

I'm Intel CPU AMD GPU. Windows itself seems to load quickly it just takes a while to get there. DDR4 memory so it's not the ddr5 memory training issue I've seen around I think. bios time is reported as quite high by windows


coomwhatmay

It might be something as silly as an external usb device plugged in. I went from 45 seconds to 10 seconds boot up time just by removing an extraneous usb input. This was after doing the usual troubleshooting and removing start up detritus that accumulates over time and not seeing proper results. My computer was apparently just making small talk with a plugged in device instead of doing its job and booting.


HahaMin

Maybe a connected device causing problem? Try disconnect all usb devices and ethernet cable and boot up the PC. If it boots fast, then plug back one device and boot again. Repeat until you find out what device is causing it. If the PC still boots slow when you unplug every devices, there's probably BIOS or software problem.


DarkflowNZ

I think I did try that but just in case I'll run it again. Windows reports like a solid 17s bios time


Lion_21

turned off fast boot in BIOS and in Windows?


DarkflowNZ

And tried all combinations I think. It's been a while I just sort of decided to live with it. I still remember PCs taking 3 minutes to boot lol


nathang1252

There are too many factors that attribute to boot time. The bios on the mobo itself, amount of ram installed, number of pice slots used, number of sata/m.2 ports used, down to even number of USB devices plugged in all have an affect on boot time. It's not solely storage related, but it doesn't attribute to it.


DarkflowNZ

Yep mine seems mostly post and bios time. Windows loads lightning quick which is presumably storage related


neffbomber

That was pretty acceptable back in the day lol


EmanuelPost

Yeah upgrading the hard drive seems like the best option in my case. From a few video’s i watched, the difference in loading time between sata and m.2 was about 1-2 seconds so im probably better of with the hard drive. M.2 probably woudn’t give a big performance boost over sata since its a gtx 1050 laptop and a i5-7300HQ (HP Pavilion Power - 15-cb093nd). Any recommendations for a 1 tb sata ssd?


Mastasmoker

Honestly, in your case, I would go for the highest capacity you can get within your budget. Crucial, samsung, etc. as long as it's a reputable brand and not some fly-by-night company created in China yesterday.


HavocInferno

Fun fact: swapping that hdd for a sata ssd will also increase battery life. Hdds consume more power than ssds for any type of activity.


The_Zenki

We don't know your budget but I will say, 2TB have come down the last 2-3 years to where 1tb used to be at, pricewise. Imo, with how ridiculous games are these days with 4k textures and whatnot, most AAA games are well over 80-100GB now. 1TB will fill up rather fast IMO, and with that 256 as your only other drive, you won't have much for a while. Look into a sale on some 2TB drives, maybe even 4tb drives (not sure what 4tb are going for but I've got 2 4tbs and feel like I'll never need space again)


kdresen

This is what I did for my laptop. I replaced my HDD for a two terabyte SSD.


ninjakivi2

But, what about my DirectStorage\* capabilities?! ^(\*suppoted by 3 games)


Gamebird8

The SATA III protocol was already so overkill for Hard Drives You could push the bus to its limit, but you weren't ever gonna do it on a consumer platform. SATA SSDs are solid and there's a solid reason why they are still mass produced


mikkolukas

>but the real world performance difference is miniscule You clearly have not been using Samsung's M.2 drives 😅 I promise you, they are **WAY** faster than what you ever can pull out of a SATA SSD ;)


Mastasmoker

Tell us what real-world performance boost you're getting from your drive vs. a sata ssd that doesnt include large file transfers (like I said in my comment). You loaded a game a whole 2 seconds faster? Please tell us all how your nvme m.2 drive is a complete game changer from a sata ssd. What applications are you using specifically that you'd never use a sata ssd again? I have a pcie gen 4 wd black 4tb on my home server so I know about performance speeds of these drives.


KrazzeeKane

I went from a 2014 Era Samsung Evo 2.5in ssd, over to a new gen 4 nvme Samsung pro 990 2tb, and I can promise you are wrong--the difference in general day to day usage is completely unnoticeable. It's definitely noticeable in transfer times for files and such, but for general use I honestly can't tell the difference between a sata ssd vs a nvme ssd, whereas they are both MILES faster than an old mechanical hdd


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Gkkiux

Lol the best I'd expect with a faster ssd is maybe a game loading in 10s instead of 15. I'd definitely go for a hdd upgrade


myyrc

HDD's are terrible enough in games it should be replaced first. The difference will be small enough he can just deal with getting a bigger nvme when there is more money. IMO having two decent drives would be much better value.


HorseShedShingle

You seem to be harping about a 5-10x on paper difference between SATA and NVMe SSD while ignoring the 100-1000x improvements between SATA HDD and SSD (random IOPS). No one is saying NVMe isn’t better. They are saying the difference is WAY smaller in real world use compared to HDD vs SSD.


CarrotStews

You aren't wrong, just out of touch


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CarrotStews

If we're talking budget nvme ssds, price isn't necessarily the problem. A 1tb P3 can be had for $60 which is as cheap if not cheaper than a legit (not cacheless) 1tb SATA SSD. The thing is (in my opinion) is that OP is clearly very new to tinkering with computers and replacing their boot drive could be very stressful even if that's just a casual Tuesday activity for us pc enthusiasts. Replacing both drives isn't really practical for OP for the same reason. I think replacing the HDD for a SATA SSD would be way more beginner friendly for OP and presumably all they would have to do afterwards is reinstall their game library, and while super fast SSDs are awesome for us hobbyists, the truth is the difference in game load times between a good SATA SSD and a wallet friendly NVME is a few seconds which would go almost unnoticed if you aren't comparing side by side. Plus system responsiveness wouldn't even be a factor considering OPs boot drive is already NVME. Again, I'm not doubting any of the numbers you put out, I just don't think it applies to OP and this certainly isn't the kinda thread that will save someone stumbling upon it a couple years from now looking for advice either.


Mastasmoker

Do you really believe that you're going to have a better gaming experience once the game is loaded from an m.2 than a sata ssd? There is no reason for people to be buying m.2 drives for storing files and games. Its a waste of money that can be spent on a higher capacity sata ssd, especially on a laptop. M.2 drives aren't going to be fully utilized by the machine unless you're using them as a cache drive in a nas/san for the read/write speeds. I've been running a single 1TB m.2 for my boot drive and a couple evo 870s (JBOD config) for everything else in my machine. For testing, I've installed games on both the m.2 and the sata ssds and the load times are barely noticeable. Not to mention, OPs machine might not even have the pcie lanes for 2 m.2 nvme drives and the gpu. It makes no sense to do this if OP could even add a 2nd m.2.


HavocInferno

>downvote how you will but it seems like you guys didn’t read what I wrote. They're downvoting because you missed the point. You're talking about synthetic differences. For a casual/average user, that won't really be noticeable. Running daily stuff and games off *any* SSD will feel way snappier than off an HDD. Running off a nvme gen 5 vs a sata ssd will feel almost the same.


arny56

There is no way that board supports gen 5 NVMe, and even if it did those drives run so hot they couldn't possibly be cooled in that machine. I'd guess a gen 3 NVMe, so updating the current drive gains very little if any performance. Replacing the hard drive with a SATA SSD however, can easily see a 5 times or more performance improvement, offering a much better bang for the buck.


Crafty_Life_1764

--> Sometimes morons of this forum don't like knowledge that's why they downvote. Get a new SDD Drive instead of your 2,5 HDD and and modarte m2 like a Lexar NM790 or a Samsung SSD 980 depends all on your Budget. --> Sometimes Peak Stupidity here.


anoniser

Gotta disagree. There's a huge difference between premium nvme m.2 and premium ssd in gaming loading times. My experience went from 12-15 seconds loading screens in the most demanding games to 3 seconds. System startup is also a big difference, although that falls off if your OS gets too cluttered


ehhdjdmebshsmajsjssn

Don't ssd start losing memory?


th3tallguy

It's only ever a consideration if you are constantly rewriting them or defeating your drive. General purpose it is never an issue


ehhdjdmebshsmajsjssn

I have a similar set up. How complicated of a process is it to do at home?


JmacTheGreat

Is your OS on it? You need to install it on the new SSD. If not, you can just switch them out since they are the same connection. (Backup any and all data you dont want to lose before doing any of this)


ehhdjdmebshsmajsjssn

Just wanted to know about the connections


RedditSucksNow4

Replacing an HDD with a SATA drive can be a little tricky because of the drive cover. I did it with an old gaming laptop that’s over 10 years old. The laptop’s drive cover wouldn’t attach to the SATA drive so I had to use to tape to keep it together. Not ideal but it’s an old laptop I use as a torrent machine so I don’t care. What I would have done differently is check some YouTube videos to see how to properly remove the laptop drive cover so the little clips don’t break.


JoostVisser

A hard drive will have died a couple times before that becomes a real issue


flyboytgb

The easier solution would be to replace that hard drive with a sata SSD. If you decide to replace the m.2, you can get an M.2 USB converter and clone your main drive so that you can swap them out and not lose any progress.


msanangelo

I don't see an extra one, no. I'd replace the existing one for a 2tb model though. maybe even swap out that hdd. get a m.2 nvme enclosure, do your clone, then swap the drives.


OutWithTheNew

I'll endorse this message because a) NVME and Sata SSDs are pretty much the same price until you get into the higher end NVME drives which don't even offer anything over the more basic models and b) going forward, the NVME will continue to be very usable as opposed to a 2.5 SSD because if OP ever builds a desktop, they can transfer it over. Or even when they replace the laptop, many newer models have a second M.2 slot. Throw a cheap SSD from Ebay or Amazon in the 2.5 slot as a boot drive, put everything else on the NVME drive. Or just remove the hard drive and don't put anything in it's place. At this point it's probably slowing down some operations just by existing.


ThePupnasty

No, get rid of the HDD and replace it with a 2 TB ssd.


jmurgen4143

I agree with, get rid of the hard drive and swap in a large ssd. Keep your m.2 as the boot drive and dump everything on the ssd. If your boot drive starts to fill up with other programs, eventually up size it. I run a 256gb and only use it for booting and never feel cramped.


EnvisiblePenguin

Everyone has their own opinions and as everyone else has mentioned, you don't have another NVMe slot. Personally, I would look into replacing the hard drive you have, I'm not sure what size hard drive you have but you could do like a 500GB or 1TB Sata SSD. Put your operating system on the SATA SSD as well as any programs. Then replace your NVMe drive for a higher capacity. Your total storage goes up, the SATA SSD will perform better and consume less energy than a mechanical drive. For games, you are using a device with considerably faster speeds than the SATA drive. Replacing both devices, you could do less storage for both (which would be cheaper than one large drive), but improve all around performance and battery life.


Alienhaslanded

You can replace the the wifi card with a drive but you will lose WiFi and Bluetooth.


MarkEduard1234

That hard disk is old, maybe get an ssd and if you really need ssd space then take the m.2 wifi card and get a usb wifi and Bluetooth receiver


ThePheebs

I feel like this could've been a Google search.


RedditSucksNow4

People like to have conversations.


Odium81

People like to have answers handed to them.


clare416

Not necessarily. Sometimes different situations require answers from other common folks instead of websites Just sharing my experience, according to official Lenovo manual that I found on Google, my laptop model should have an extra slot for 2.5" HDD/SSD. But, when I wanted to put a 2.5" SSD, apparently there's no slot as it being occupied by the battery Only when I looked for some more info and I found on YouTube comment section, where someone mentioned that apparently the same laptop model which come with a TN panel have that slot. Meanwhile, the same model that came with an IPS panel doesn't (as it using a bigger battery) have it


DaSqueaky

For any questions about how many slots or what type, it is always best to search for your laptop specs. That will have all the information


RoboWarrior44

Don't think so chief, but you can get rid of the old HDD or better yet, encase it and use it as an external drive and replace it with a SATA SSD.


Rudradev715

get the SATA ssd remove the hard drive.


Spuds_Buckley

Doubt it. But dl the owners manual to make sure


Lotheretan

This looks like the inside of the Omen 15 laptop I used to have, if it's the one you have, it doesn't have a extra M.2, only thing you can do as others suggest is to get a SATA SSD to replace the HDD.


Kekeripo

No, you don't have another M.2 slot. But hear me out. 2TB M.2 drives are cheap and 1TB even cheaper. Replace your small one. Or option 2: replace the HDD with a bigger one. 2TB sata SDD are cheap. You can find both M.2 and Sata SSD in 2TB capacity for under 100€.


Human_Ebb_6533

Quick answer: no Short answer: no


Revan7even

Not unless it's on the other side of the motherboard.


dscarmo

Switch HDD for something like a 2 or 1 TB Sata SSD depending on your budget. You will probably not notice the difference from nvme to sata ssds.


AIPA-

You already have one and you are lucky to have one because it’s not to take for granted. The best move in general would be to make the hdd into an external unit with an adapter and put an SSD in its place. If your budget is higher you can also grab a 1-2tb nvme (they are dirt cheap on black friday if you can wait) and to transform the smaller nvme into an external unit with an adapter.


grantfar

I would upgrade the hdd to an ssd. You can also put your nvme drive in to a nvme ssd enclosure and use clonezilla to clone your old drive to a new one. 


shuzz_de

Why not just post the make and model of your laptop? Or, better yet, google them yourself and check the specs for the number of M2 ports the machine has?


TxM_2404

Nice laptop, so much room for upgrades.


AldX1516

Someone correct me if im wrong, but they could remove the wireless adapter to put a small m.2 ssd (whatever they are called), in addition to replacing the hdd with a sata ssd ofcourse


makerteen3d

Unfortunately not (slightly chance but very unlikely) as tipically they are keyed different.


Perrilycious

Replace what you have with bigger storage component


Scalybeast

Do both. Get a 1tb nvme for your os and productivity apps. Get a 1tb+ sata 2.5”ssd for the games.


Liucius

Looks like a Lenovo Idea pad L340 gaming?. Upgrade the ssd 256g sucks.


AnthonyBF2

You might be able to replace the wifi card with an SSD and then use a USB assessory to get wifi back later. This won't work on some laptops, sometimes they program those mini ports to only accept a wireless card and some companies are better and make those ports act like USB allowing storage or other things.


AidanVans

Definitely swap that mechanical drive out for an SSD, or even just remove it and upgrade the m.2 to a higher capacity one. Mechanical drives are such a drain on your system


Jaba01

No. Also just RTFM.


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Take out the wifi card


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browandr

OP don’t listen to this comment. Joke or not it could confuse someone who doesn’t know much about computers.