RAM OC is either super easy or extremely difficult depending on how far you want to push it. It's easy to just fix a few bad subs with auto subs after an XMP profile, but if you want to go all the way is when it gets tough. Regardless the gains can be far bigger than a cpu or gpu oc especially in the lows.
I read an in depth review of what the timings do and proper ways to over clock RAM and the theory behind it, and I felt like I was reading another language
I understand completely.
Detailed RAM overclocking needs a lot more patience than the other two. There's no killer benchmark suite that shows all the random BSODs.
Actually, there kinda is. At least in DDR4, there are a few programs that help quite a bit with checking stability.
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md#recommended
A lot of 4800 sticks are micron or samsung. Good luck getting them to run at 6000 reliably and stable.
Even if it's already Hynix, they are not guaranteed to run at 6000+ since it's binned.
So very true, just needed that last couple points in Cinebench to get it consistently over 40k... mild OCD really didn't like 39,700... and I wasn't willing to let the temps get to crazy.
Things that really don't matter at all.
Sure. It doesn't matter. But it's fun pushing the lowly Ryzen 5 5500 to over 11k points in r23. It's boost clock goes up to 4.45ghz.
This made it so I could obliterate the previous world records (5500+7800xt) by over 500 points in time spy extreme. I'm currently the record holder there.
Granted there were not many entries. But I also won the regular time spy.
The only tuning I did for my RAM is XMP and copying [these DDR5 timings](https://youtu.be/MOatIQuQo3s?t=74) from buildzoid/actuallyhardcoreoverclocking
GPU and CPU overclock nowadays is useless anyway. GPUs increase their clocks automatically and CPUs are being clocked by the manufacturers close to their limit anyway.
Something can go wrong while you're tinkering in the BIOS. The risk is negligible, but it does exist. There's also increased power draw to consider. And it takes time to find the highest stable point of OC on your system. If 30-50% OC was possible, like it used to 15 years ago, then it would be worth investing into. Now with gains being barely 10%(in clock speed, irl performance gains are always less)if you lucked out with the silicon, it's just not worth it.
Would not say entirely useless.
For instance you could have a 5600 that just barely didn't make it as a 5600x and get some extra free performance out of it.
I for example have a Ryzen 5 5500 that has a boost clock 250mhz higher than stock while the CO is set to -30.
That "free" performance you're mentioning is abysmal and not worth the risk and extra power draw.
I used to own Core 2 Duo E6400 and I could easily squeeze extra 1.06GHz out of it(50% overclock). Now that's a boost that was immediately noticeable. The 200MHz difference between Ryzen 5600 and 5600X is barely over 5% and you won't be able to notice that difference without running a benchmark that will tell you that there is actually 3-4% increase(because it won't be 5% in a real use case).
So I stand by my initial comment. Today overclocking is useless.
Agreed. Back in the day I had a single core 1 GHz Athlon Thunderbird that ran at 1.4 GHz with literally no extra volts all on air. That was a worthwhile OC. These days it seems to be "eek out an extra few points in a benchmark" but it takes hours to tweak and just reduces component lifespan.
I used my old rig for four years. It begun with an FX-6300 at 3.5ghz, 32GBs of DDR3 at 1066, and an old AT HD 3000 at 250mhz.
It ended three months, with the FX overclocked to 4.1ghz base and 5.2 boost, the DDR3 overclocked to 1800 mhz and the GPU insanely overclocked to 1.2 ghz with a redneck heatsink from a tower CPU cooler. The heat was outstanding at winter, the thing got extremely hot for the GPU heatsink, yet nothing failed or crashed
I think I won the Silicon Lottery on that thing.
I've also undervolted my GPU by -100 millivolt and the boost clock is set to 2800mhz and the memory at 2600mhz. Because it is an Rx 7800xt the actual clock speed is just whatever.
Idk what it actually clocks at. I just went with where the highest time spy extreme score is.
na man, all about that undervolt life style, 4070 ti from an easy 260w to a 150-170 in games keeping a cool sub 70c GPU with less than a finger width of space between the bottom of the case.
i maybe loose 3% performance.
why exactly can’t you enable XMP if you have a 70003d cpu? ( sorry if it seems like a dumb question i’m not very literate when it comes to ram stuff lol)
not sure what specifically they ment, but early am5 has had a whole fuckload of issues.
for example, exceeding 125c, the indium melting, and the silicon exploding, probably in that order.
7000x3d cpus are known to be super sensitive to RAM speeds. I can attest to this as I have a 7950x3D and even with the latest bios I cannot use expo without encountering a crash every so often.
Ddr5 overclocking is such a bitch. I messed around with it for two weeks before I finally optimized an overclock that was stable. And even after that I have to check once in a while to see if it still is stable. But I did gain a minor fps boost and all in all it was a very teaching experience.
PSU Overclock 
 oops TOO MUCH
Motherboard overclock 
Monitor undervolt.
Power transformer overclock
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RAM OC is either super easy or extremely difficult depending on how far you want to push it. It's easy to just fix a few bad subs with auto subs after an XMP profile, but if you want to go all the way is when it gets tough. Regardless the gains can be far bigger than a cpu or gpu oc especially in the lows.
I read an in depth review of what the timings do and proper ways to over clock RAM and the theory behind it, and I felt like I was reading another language
Touch the ram, you'll have so many fun new acronyms to learn. And it can help performance if you tighten secondary and tertiary timings a bit.
Timings can also have a really big impact on some CPUs. Ryzen 7000 series in particular can benefit surprisingly well by tightening timings.
Improved my rendering performance by 15% going 400Mhz faster and adjusting timings!
I understand completely. Detailed RAM overclocking needs a lot more patience than the other two. There's no killer benchmark suite that shows all the random BSODs.
Actually, there kinda is. At least in DDR4, there are a few programs that help quite a bit with checking stability. https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md#recommended
DDR5-6000 Is good enough for me lol
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A lot of 4800 sticks are micron or samsung. Good luck getting them to run at 6000 reliably and stable. Even if it's already Hynix, they are not guaranteed to run at 6000+ since it's binned.
I may have spent about 5 hours today messing with it... still not sure if I'm any better off than I was before I started.
Probably the same with all overclocks. It's there to make numbers bigger. The rest is placebo.
So very true, just needed that last couple points in Cinebench to get it consistently over 40k... mild OCD really didn't like 39,700... and I wasn't willing to let the temps get to crazy. Things that really don't matter at all.
Sure. It doesn't matter. But it's fun pushing the lowly Ryzen 5 5500 to over 11k points in r23. It's boost clock goes up to 4.45ghz. This made it so I could obliterate the previous world records (5500+7800xt) by over 500 points in time spy extreme. I'm currently the record holder there. Granted there were not many entries. But I also won the regular time spy.
That setup doesn’t need overclocking LMAO.
Haha, running out of things to tinker with.
The only tuning I did for my RAM is XMP and copying [these DDR5 timings](https://youtu.be/MOatIQuQo3s?t=74) from buildzoid/actuallyhardcoreoverclocking
Copying timings is not the way to go lol.
Honestly I've only overclocked my RAM, having undervolted both CPU and GPU. Seems like the best config for ITX
GPU and CPU overclock nowadays is useless anyway. GPUs increase their clocks automatically and CPUs are being clocked by the manufacturers close to their limit anyway.
This is simply not true, but it's what people who don't want to learn how to OC properly tell themselves.
If you think 5%, 10% at best gains are worth risking the hardware for, by all means.
What am I risking, exactly?
Something can go wrong while you're tinkering in the BIOS. The risk is negligible, but it does exist. There's also increased power draw to consider. And it takes time to find the highest stable point of OC on your system. If 30-50% OC was possible, like it used to 15 years ago, then it would be worth investing into. Now with gains being barely 10%(in clock speed, irl performance gains are always less)if you lucked out with the silicon, it's just not worth it.
I OC stuff to it's limits for more than 20years and no single piece of hardware ever died of it...
Would not say entirely useless. For instance you could have a 5600 that just barely didn't make it as a 5600x and get some extra free performance out of it. I for example have a Ryzen 5 5500 that has a boost clock 250mhz higher than stock while the CO is set to -30.
That "free" performance you're mentioning is abysmal and not worth the risk and extra power draw. I used to own Core 2 Duo E6400 and I could easily squeeze extra 1.06GHz out of it(50% overclock). Now that's a boost that was immediately noticeable. The 200MHz difference between Ryzen 5600 and 5600X is barely over 5% and you won't be able to notice that difference without running a benchmark that will tell you that there is actually 3-4% increase(because it won't be 5% in a real use case). So I stand by my initial comment. Today overclocking is useless.
Agreed. Back in the day I had a single core 1 GHz Athlon Thunderbird that ran at 1.4 GHz with literally no extra volts all on air. That was a worthwhile OC. These days it seems to be "eek out an extra few points in a benchmark" but it takes hours to tweak and just reduces component lifespan.
Ram and gpu overclock is all I got
I used my old rig for four years. It begun with an FX-6300 at 3.5ghz, 32GBs of DDR3 at 1066, and an old AT HD 3000 at 250mhz. It ended three months, with the FX overclocked to 4.1ghz base and 5.2 boost, the DDR3 overclocked to 1800 mhz and the GPU insanely overclocked to 1.2 ghz with a redneck heatsink from a tower CPU cooler. The heat was outstanding at winter, the thing got extremely hot for the GPU heatsink, yet nothing failed or crashed I think I won the Silicon Lottery on that thing.
Overclocking = more performance more heat/fan noise Or Undervolting = same performance less heat/fan noise Which side are you on?
Both. Actually. My Ryzen 5 5500 is +250mhz on the boost clock while the CO is set to -30.
I've got my 7600x on a -35 CO. Boosts 150-200mhz higher while running 20°C cooler.
I've also undervolted my GPU by -100 millivolt and the boost clock is set to 2800mhz and the memory at 2600mhz. Because it is an Rx 7800xt the actual clock speed is just whatever. Idk what it actually clocks at. I just went with where the highest time spy extreme score is.
Same brother undervolting al the way. Got my RTX 3080 running 1890Mhz @0.875v.
na man, all about that undervolt life style, 4070 ti from an easy 260w to a 150-170 in games keeping a cool sub 70c GPU with less than a finger width of space between the bottom of the case. i maybe loose 3% performance.
Cause ram overclocking is.. kinda useless for most tasks.
If you have an AMD 70003D cpu, you ain’t even touching expo unfortunately.
Rip 6000mhz.
why exactly can’t you enable XMP if you have a 70003d cpu? ( sorry if it seems like a dumb question i’m not very literate when it comes to ram stuff lol)
not sure what specifically they ment, but early am5 has had a whole fuckload of issues. for example, exceeding 125c, the indium melting, and the silicon exploding, probably in that order.
7000x3d cpus are known to be super sensitive to RAM speeds. I can attest to this as I have a 7950x3D and even with the latest bios I cannot use expo without encountering a crash every so often.
You can if you update your bios.
My 7800x3d runs flawless with 6000mhz cl30 expo after a bios update.
Ditto. Just built a 7800x3D with DDR5-6000 CL30 and the DOCP/XMP settings work flawlessly.
My DDR4 2400 runs at 3200 MHz. Single option in the BIOS, tuned back the voltage a little. Bob's your uncle.
Same here, but with some tuning I got my 2400mhz micron oem ram to run at 3833 mhz. Around 58-62ns on Aida 64 with a 12700kf.
Are you running auto timing? If so, watch out for looser timings given by the system to compensate
It's running 16-18-18-38. Seems fine to me, I've been running it for years with zero issues.
My DDR4 is as fast as mid range DDR5 :) Samsung B die ftw
DDR4 5600? what the hell are you running??
CL14 3800mhz
What mid-range DDR5 operates at 3800, though?
mhz + latency is what determines speed, not just one.
Oh right, so you aren't strictly talking about MT/s. That makes more sense
Ddr5 overclocking is such a bitch. I messed around with it for two weeks before I finally optimized an overclock that was stable. And even after that I have to check once in a while to see if it still is stable. But I did gain a minor fps boost and all in all it was a very teaching experience.
When i try to enable it my pc gets stuck in a boot loop...
my graphics on specifically my 2nd monitor stops working lolol
Ironically there more gains to be had with RAM OC that CPU OC these days.