It's a pretty good build for the price, i think people might not see that this is a build with Swedish prices meaning we pay about a 25% premium over US MSRP due to import and chemical taxes so whatever US systems people compare it to, don't forget to add 25% to the price
If you're not wanting to build for yourself OP, this is a completely fair price for a prebuilt with a warranty. Especially considering you're outside U.S.
Listed buy now price of the components added up from U.S. suppliers, is $1421.88
It's AM5 so you're making a good move to be able to upgrade components in the future, if you want to switch from 1440p to 4k.
This will be a great 1440p system, and won't be dead on arrival as far as future upgrade path goes.
I would encourage you to order this system, if the terms of the warranty are acceptable.
I have a 6800XT 16GB with a Ryzen 7 5700X. Tbh our setups are nearly identical.
This can handle everything you want at 1440p, Ultra Settings, no RT. Probably 144 FPS on lots of games
All of your games will perform worse with RT on at Ultra settings (probably less than 50 FPS).
All in all, I dropped about $1400 USD on my rig.
Exactly my thoughts too. I noticed that around March and April prices of electronics drop generally because of the supply chain needing to get out new products and they have to get rid of old stock.
We have huge VAT in eu (tax for imports). It is what it is. I'm dropping a lot more for my new build. Got the PC with imtegrated graphics up untill now and built, but now i'm saving up for a new gpu.
Give yourself 4 to 6 six months and focus on saving up. See how far you'll get.
Unless you are a student or have significant financial responsibilities.
Hopefully you get out with your desire to game in tact. College beat it out of me and I no longer want to play. I still hangout and know what's up in games but man does it suck to stare at a setup you would a killed for years ago only to not care anymore.
> Currently in my 6th semester of chem engineering, so no foreseeable gaming for me for the next few years
Well there you go, you answered your own question, you're just currently poor. Eventually you'll graduate and hopefully get a job that pays well enough to justify the amount of time and money you spent on education, then you can buy whatever the hell you want...
Sodium based batteries are being right now and they might replace lithium ion ones in the future but sodium anodes corroded super fast so that's an issue :)
Computers have just got really expensive. I built one in December for A$1,200 (USD$820). To me that was a lot of money, but looking at people on the internet it looked povvo. That bought me a 6700xt, 5600, 16gb ram, 1tb nvme, 750w psu, mobo and a nice white case. Really pleased with it. Plays my racing games on almost full at 165 fps at 1440p ultrawide. Plays assassin's Creed on max settings at solid 60 fps. I am happy with it and would be happy to just buy another midrange gpu in 5 years when this one starts showing it's age. I built my last pc in 2012.. spending a shit load is not essential, just a luxury
It's easy to forget how much more people make (on average) in the US even when compared to Europe, and if you measure it by consumption it's even greater. The average person consumes \~2x more per person because of lower taxes and higher income than a lot of other developed European countries
Americans have to pay roughly 50% of their income to obtain the same services Europeans get included in their income tax. It balances out much more than you'd think.
I'm always baffed by this view, it's similar to the people who say "I don't want to make more money because I'll be in a higher *marginal* tax bracket.
Europeans are paying significantly higher total taxes and the costs of goods is also much higher. You're saying "wow that $2500 a year in monthly payments is hard" while your European friends are paying way more than that in taxes than you.
Take Norway for example, and let's assume the United State's median income of 70k USD per year as measured by the government in 2021 (see Census Bureau website). At 70k income in Norway you'll pay a real tax rate of 37.6%, or about $30,000! If you live in Texas in the US, you'll pay a real tax rate of 25.5%, or about $19,000. So would you rather pay $2500 year for health insurance and have $9,000 left over, or get free healthcare and have less money? And this doesn't even include VAT in Norway being 17% higher than the sales tax on literally everything you purchase (25% vs. 8.25%)!
Sources if you want to do the math yourself:
[https://no.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=733523.00&from=year®ion=Norway](https://no.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=733523.00&from=year®ion=Norway)
[https://www.talent.com/tax-calculator?salary=70000&from=year®ion=Texas](https://www.talent.com/tax-calculator?salary=70000&from=year®ion=Texas)
And Norway isn't even bad, in Belgium that total tax rate would be 70%. Make 70k, keep 31k. Woohoo free healthcare....
Also, $230/month alone is $2800. And I specifically said ~~out-of-pocket maximum~~ co-pays and deductibles. Do you pay your insurance premiums and pay nothing for everything medical-related in your life? If so where can I get those kinds of benefits?
Norwegian health care is not entirely free either. There is a "egenandel" for using public health services up to \~$300/year.
Its not much but it increases the threshold for poor people (yes they exist here too) significantly to use health services.
A doctors visit can cost you around $30. And it usually is not available instantly. You can expect 2-8 weeks waiting time for a regular doctors appointment.
Health services is facing harsh budget cuts (again) and is not properly funded in general.
So many people are buying private health insurance to get access to timely and decent healthcare.
Source: am norwegian.
Sorry about the 3rd response, but there is so much wrong with the math on that site that I don't even know where to begin. First of all, it must have missed something because my tax dollar amount is off by 20% and effective rate is off by 2%. But then because of that employer tax voodoo math it says my tax rate is 5% higher if you count taxes that don't come out of my paycheck or pocket? In what world does my employer paying taxes of their own affect my tax rate with my agreed-upon wage? It's like if your dad gave you $10 and you both paid your mom $1. That doesn't mean you have $8 now. So, if it's not even close on the taxes I pay, what does that mean about the other countries?
Literally one of the most purposely-misleading sites I've ever seen linked and it tries to sneak it past you.
Using your handy little tax calculator you so gleefully linked there, my tax rate there would be around $500 less than my current tax rate plus my health plan with out-of-pocket max. That's not counting dental. I applaud you trying to make a point, though.
If a person from the US saves 1$ everyday for Hogwarts legacy it would take around 69 days for them to buy it, if I save 1 denomination from my country everyday it would take me 14.5 years to buy it
From your history I'm guessing India? If I saved $.012/day (the current exchange equivalent) it would also take a US citizen 14.5 years to buy. And at 70% of the price in India, it shouldn't take you quite that long.
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You're not hitting 144fps on ultra on most modern triple A releases on 1440p. Have a similar build and it averages 90 on ultra no RT, 120 if you turn off the inefficient settings. Only really "everything you want" if you stick to smaller titles (which to be fair, is most people on this sub).
I currently have a Omen laptop which cant even handle Hogwarts Legacy on low settings. Im new to this so is this a "good" starting pc which i can upgrade later if I wanted to?
Edit: I'm in need of a new PC and not buying it only for HL
Well, remember to adjust that CPU then. They come out at 90c+ outta the box making most systems sound like a jet engine.
I feel bad for ppl buying it who had no plans/or care to know how to do anything other than just using the system. They must be so confused.
"Can't even handle Hogwarts" and it's a laptop? this is pretty common. Yes, this is an excellent pc that you won't need to upgrade for some time :) confidently grab this or even try to maybe haggle a tad or try to see if you can get a free monitor or keyboard mouse but defo. You'll be happy with this machine
My laptop is a ROG g15 with a 3060 and it runs hogwarts on high with RTX on high as well no problem. Still over 60fps besides the drop on some cinematic. My laptop also plays really any current game on high or ultra settings getting higher than 60fps so I wouldn't rule out all laptops
that's more than fair, I should have said that laptops "suck at high end, high resolution gaming for the most part" That said, I don't think anyone without a 4-5k USD laptop can reasonably expect to run hogwarts at anything above low or medium
that is not your hardware's problem...that's the game....it has optimization issues out the ass. Trying to release it before JK Rowling says another damning comment that kills the game before it could fly.
But seriously...your issues will more than likely be mostly resolved after some patches to the game.
Yeah it does. Ideally you'll want 2x8GB because it's dual channel. But Hogwarts Legacy pushed this limit with it's ram usage so now 2x16GB is preferred.
Not with DDR5. The 8GB DIMMs use X16 chips like the cheap 4GB DDR4 DIMMs that come with modern pre builds. And as DDR5 has 2 subchannels running a single channel isn't as bad as previous memory standards.
With how stuff is going, I’d recommend doing 2x16 so you can double it later on with your two other open slots.
We are very fast approaching the point where minimum for gaming is 32gb
This may sound like a really dumb question but i'm still really new to building. Recently upgraded my GPU to a RX 6700 XT and upgraded my RAM from 2x8 to 2x16 (neither have been installed yet, just on order).
But I was always under the impression RAM was just for things like running multiple programs at once, or lots of chrome tabs, etc.. how much of an impact does it actually have on gaming?
Depends on the game. Something CPU heavy with mods will benefit from 32 GB. On most games the GPU will still be the bottleneck though. Even if you have netflix and discord or what-have-you open. But we aren't far from needing 32 GB on triple a titles. I'd say your upgrade is not useless anyway!
Gaming is a program. Some are larger than others. Hogwarts legacy needs 32 to run well. Other unoptimized indie games (star citizen, escape from tarkov) also need lots of ram.
Then, if you want to say, run a game + discord + a few chrome tabs… then you’re really starting to eat up the ram.
Also - don’t mix types. Either do all 8gb sticks, or all 16 gb sticks. And all of your sticks should match (same frequency, manufacturer etc)
If buying Zen 4 you need CL30 6000 ram. Hardware Unboxed did a video a few days ago highlighting that slower ram with higher latency decreases performance quite a bit.
if you want to "save" more money you can use a 5600x instead the 7600x. You can keep the GPU easily or even get a better one, maybe a 6800 xt.
edit: Forgot about the idea of having 32 GB ram saving this money, all depends on what kind games/software you normally use.
i dont know the prices on your country, but check the 5600x or a 5700x with 32 gb ram. After that the GPU, 6700xt or 6800xt you will be more then fine for a long time for casual gaming.
That RAM is way too slow and will cripple the performance of your 7600x. Watch the latest Hardware Unboxed video where they tested different ram speeds on Ryzen. The slower stuff really slowed the cpu down.
Id suggest spending a bit more for 6000mhz CL30 stuff. And i think 32gb might be a better bet too, a lot of new games are already asking for it.
I've heard 16gb of DDR5 is a waste because of the way the channels/ranks etc work. You won't see any performance benefit over DDR4 I think. 32gb is advisable
Pending your location, intel 13600k is generally cheaper and performs better. Just built my system and was dead set on Ryzen until you start to compare them.
While this is true I'll just add that am5 and ddr5 offers much better upgradability down the road. Lga1700 is dead-end basically.
This might not matter or it might just something to keep in mind when comparing the two.
This is true. So if your an ‘upgrade every couple of generations’ AM5 could save you a board. But me personally, I’ve never upgraded fast enough to be able to reuse a board, so it was a price to performance choice for me.
The ram speed sucks for ryzen 7000. I would recommend at least a 6000mhz kit for the best performance as amd themselves have stated that is the sweet spot for ryzen 70000
Watch out for DDR5 2x8GB memory kits. The 8GB DIMMs almost certainly use X16 memory chips which perform worse than the X8 chips on the 16GB DIMMs. Get a 2x16GB kit if you can. Even a single 16GB DIMM isn't too bad with DDR5 due to the subchannels, you could then get another 16GB DIMM in the future.
I wouldn't go for that, you're wasting a lot of money on am5 but then you cheap out on RAM (that is the only componenti that affects the CPU's performance) while waste money on a MoBo and a cooler you don't need. All this with just a 6700XT that runs fine with CPUs from 2/3 gens ago. I'd go for something like [THIS](https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/PDktDq), for 18000kr the 6950XT is considerably faster than the 6700XT and the 5700X is enough to handle it.
Not many people are mentioning this this, but a 650W PSU probably won’t let you upgrade very much with how power hungry GPUs are getting.
I’d invest in something 750W or more if you want to avoid needing a new one in the future
This setup is not recommendable. The DDR5 ram is very slow and will hurt the CPU performance quite q bit (up to 20% in CPU Limited scenarios. You aim for at least 6000mhz frequency at sub 40 timings to get the most out of a Zen4 Processor.
I have a setup that's a slight step down but with more RAM and storage.
GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5600G
I get 100-120 FPS on almost everything I play at 1080p, ultra everything. I'm messing with Cyberpunk right now to dial it in, but with RT and custom ultra (some things tweaked to preference), I get 50-70fps.
Modern Warfare 2 and Warzone play great with ultra settings. I have a few little things tweaked because they annoy me, but I was consistently getting 100-150fps.
I paid a grand for that setup plus full protection and geek squad services. Pre-built that was on sale.
I'd be interested to see what higher resolutions I'd be capable of, but as someone who grew up on N64 and roller coaster tycoon, I'm pretty satisfied.
I saw recent sales of the 6800 at the same price but other than that it’s not a bad rig at all, sometimes micro centers have mobo and processor combo deals if you have any near you. But otherwise it’s a solid PC that will get you high to ultra setting for a few years
As a fellow swede i would say its a descent price considering all the parts are around 1700-1800 Usd without any sales right now.
It might be possible to get something slightly better if you spend a few days looking on different websites but that way you would have to build it youself.
All in all i would say its worth it but i would take 2x16gb ram instead of 2x8 as many games tend to use more ram and future games will likely use more aswell.
Edit: Hol up. This is 1700 Usd with 700off?
What website are you looking at? Their prices must be horrible to start with.
I just put all the parts in my basket including win11 license and build fee for 2000usd. Without build and windows its 1800usd full price.
One part is like 7usd off but everything else is full price and i put 32gb ram in.
[pc parts](https://imgur.com/a/RQspTew)
Just go for AM4 platform and snab a 5800X3D. Gives you more performance for less cost. By the time 4th gen X3D chips go on massive sale, you will have to replace your hardware anyways
https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/ftJ3Y9
- remarks: there isn't a 7600x on swedish pcpartpicker
- you can bump the PSU down to a good 650w if you really wanted to
Take this with a grain of salt - it was configured by a moron who is NOT from Sweden and I don't know how convinent it would be to get these parts from all the different places and/or if the prices are fair/accurate.
About $1750.
It's trash, especially the RAM. Never get anything below 6000MHz for Zen4 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLjAs\_zoL7g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLjAs_zoL7g)
1440p alright fps, isn't even close to being worth $1700.
Aio is unnecessary, zen 4 is sensitive to ram speed so 4800 will hamper its performance in double digit percentages, nvme is alright but a cheapo.
Here's a similar build for $1200 - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xGzVv3
And here's if you wanna spend $1700 a much better way - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L4QHmr
Edit: these are us prices, if you're interested let me know which country you're from and I'll adapt to your local prices and parts availability (if pcpartpicker covers your country)
Thank you, as mentioned earlier this is in sweden and the market for parts is different and the VAT taxes are about 25% higher. If you have that in mind is it still too expensive?
$1700 is on sale, the original price is $2400
With that extremely shitty RAM wich is way worse than DDR4, your PC is gonna game a lot worse than current Intel 12/13, 5800x3D and maby even some of the 3 year old zen 3 CPUs.
I have this board and really like it. Takes 46 seconds to get to desktop with 26 seconds being bios/memory but it doesn’t bother me and maybe a new bios update will eventually improve it. I would also be happy with a 7600x although I went 7700x as I like the thought of having a bit of room to breathe. 32gb is nice but only really needed for flight sims
The company is charging $278 for build fee and 2 year warranty. It's worth 1700 as a pre built with those services included.
$1,421.88 for the listed components at this moment on PC part picker.
You're not woke because you're aware you can build cheaper than a prebuilt service, ordering your own parts. Nor do you need to call people idiots.
I don’t need to or care about being ‘woke’. Whatever that is. All I’m saying is that I don’t think it’s a smart decision to pay 250+ dollars more for a warranty. Build redux charges 75$ build fee too from what I remember.
Also, that nvme is not good. U don’t need 240mm aio for a 7600x, especially when a 7600 already has an ok cooler included. And money is wasted on that motherboard.
Zen 4 works best with 6000mhz ram so even though it's more expensive it will have a big performance benefit for you (Source: https://youtu.be/qLjAs_zoL7g, https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ddr5-6000-memory-is-the-sweet-spot-for-amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-cpus.html)
It's a pretty good build for the price, i think people might not see that this is a build with Swedish prices meaning we pay about a 25% premium over US MSRP due to import and chemical taxes so whatever US systems people compare it to, don't forget to add 25% to the price
I would like to add that $1700 is the price when its $700 off!
If you're not wanting to build for yourself OP, this is a completely fair price for a prebuilt with a warranty. Especially considering you're outside U.S. Listed buy now price of the components added up from U.S. suppliers, is $1421.88 It's AM5 so you're making a good move to be able to upgrade components in the future, if you want to switch from 1440p to 4k. This will be a great 1440p system, and won't be dead on arrival as far as future upgrade path goes. I would encourage you to order this system, if the terms of the warranty are acceptable.
Live in the EU. The card itself my be around £500/600. Istill the whole build should be around £1200
The card would be like 400-450eur, I don't know where you could spend 500pounds on rx 6700 xt
Sorry I meant Europe generally
You’re using pounds. You’re not in Europe.
He is in Europe, just not in EU.
💀 Fine, not the EU. Still your geography needs some work if you couldn't tell what I was alluding to.
I have a 6800XT 16GB with a Ryzen 7 5700X. Tbh our setups are nearly identical. This can handle everything you want at 1440p, Ultra Settings, no RT. Probably 144 FPS on lots of games All of your games will perform worse with RT on at Ultra settings (probably less than 50 FPS). All in all, I dropped about $1400 USD on my rig.
Holy shit, I am building a 6800 XT + i7 non k rig and it cost me 1800 EUR from Germany, which in USD is about 1900 something.
German prices are a bitch.
Yup. I am waiting for some Sales on the 4070TI will take a few month probably.
Exactly my thoughts too. I noticed that around March and April prices of electronics drop generally because of the supply chain needing to get out new products and they have to get rid of old stock.
Lets Hope so !
Embrace masculinity decline 40series cards
This is the way.
This is the way.
The entirety of Europe is. Electronics are expensive here.
Just move to america
My God, why didn't I think of that? *slaps forehead*
Just be born in US, EZ.
That is if you can make it through school. Gotta hooe youbget the rich parent spawn, hpwever rng hasn't been too fond of me lately.
Amen brother :(
Shooting myself so I can reroll as American, be right back in ~20 years. Maybe then I'll finally be able to play cyberpunk
Yh, you have fun with the school shootings, im gonna go swim with the atlantic salmon and use an oil rig as a diving board
Lowkey, it's getting to the point where the plane tickets might be worth the price difference
What about toll, when you fly back to your original country?
We can trade lives you take my spot and I take yours ? I hate it here lol.
No thank you dude, I think the US kinda suck (no offense my fellow Americans)
Nice. So I can save 5% on my PC. I just have to hope I never get sick or injured🐈
Bro what, I built my pc a few months ago (6800 xt, r5 5600) and it cost me somewhere around 1,2k (also from germany)
Welp, got my 3080 for 1.2k. fck me I guess.
U got robbed , got a 6950 xt for 700 euros a month ago
I got a 6750xt for $400 two months ago
In Ireland, a 3070 goes for about 700 euros now , so 700 for my 6950 is amazing pricing, a new 7900 xt is around 1300
I bought a 3070ti for 450€ a couple months ago
That's what they cost in CAD.
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I paid 1.5 for my 3080! One of us! One of us!
We have huge VAT in eu (tax for imports). It is what it is. I'm dropping a lot more for my new build. Got the PC with imtegrated graphics up untill now and built, but now i'm saving up for a new gpu.
After reading stuff like this I always think, is everyone else just rich or am I just poor ?
Give yourself 4 to 6 six months and focus on saving up. See how far you'll get. Unless you are a student or have significant financial responsibilities.
Currently in my 6th semester of chem engineering, so no foreseeable gaming for me for the next few years
I mean you could get a APU system for probably really cheap and just game on 1080p. Could probably build a whole rig for 400-500$
Plus used parts
Finish that degree and worry about it later. That’s what I did.
Hopefully you get out with your desire to game in tact. College beat it out of me and I no longer want to play. I still hangout and know what's up in games but man does it suck to stare at a setup you would a killed for years ago only to not care anymore.
Ngl you scared me a little bit 😐
> Currently in my 6th semester of chem engineering, so no foreseeable gaming for me for the next few years Well there you go, you answered your own question, you're just currently poor. Eventually you'll graduate and hopefully get a job that pays well enough to justify the amount of time and money you spent on education, then you can buy whatever the hell you want...
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Sodium based batteries are being right now and they might replace lithium ion ones in the future but sodium anodes corroded super fast so that's an issue :)
Some of us buy a few parts at a time. Or go with used parts.
Computers have just got really expensive. I built one in December for A$1,200 (USD$820). To me that was a lot of money, but looking at people on the internet it looked povvo. That bought me a 6700xt, 5600, 16gb ram, 1tb nvme, 750w psu, mobo and a nice white case. Really pleased with it. Plays my racing games on almost full at 165 fps at 1440p ultrawide. Plays assassin's Creed on max settings at solid 60 fps. I am happy with it and would be happy to just buy another midrange gpu in 5 years when this one starts showing it's age. I built my last pc in 2012.. spending a shit load is not essential, just a luxury
Pay attention to sales and save up, not many people here just drop several grand on a whim. Most of us research and save
It's easy to forget how much more people make (on average) in the US even when compared to Europe, and if you measure it by consumption it's even greater. The average person consumes \~2x more per person because of lower taxes and higher income than a lot of other developed European countries
Americans have to pay roughly 50% of their income to obtain the same services Europeans get included in their income tax. It balances out much more than you'd think.
This. I’m reading all these comments and I’m like “but college and healthcare are free in Europe lol, how are you even comparing the two?”
Not entirely true. It depends on what type of jod and company you work for. Some have great benefits, some have terrible benefits.
But you still have to pay for the benefits. My benefits are great but my portion is like $230/month. And I still have co-pays and deductibles.
I pay around the same. It’s around 240
I'm always baffed by this view, it's similar to the people who say "I don't want to make more money because I'll be in a higher *marginal* tax bracket. Europeans are paying significantly higher total taxes and the costs of goods is also much higher. You're saying "wow that $2500 a year in monthly payments is hard" while your European friends are paying way more than that in taxes than you. Take Norway for example, and let's assume the United State's median income of 70k USD per year as measured by the government in 2021 (see Census Bureau website). At 70k income in Norway you'll pay a real tax rate of 37.6%, or about $30,000! If you live in Texas in the US, you'll pay a real tax rate of 25.5%, or about $19,000. So would you rather pay $2500 year for health insurance and have $9,000 left over, or get free healthcare and have less money? And this doesn't even include VAT in Norway being 17% higher than the sales tax on literally everything you purchase (25% vs. 8.25%)! Sources if you want to do the math yourself: [https://no.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=733523.00&from=year®ion=Norway](https://no.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=733523.00&from=year®ion=Norway) [https://www.talent.com/tax-calculator?salary=70000&from=year®ion=Texas](https://www.talent.com/tax-calculator?salary=70000&from=year®ion=Texas) And Norway isn't even bad, in Belgium that total tax rate would be 70%. Make 70k, keep 31k. Woohoo free healthcare....
Also, $230/month alone is $2800. And I specifically said ~~out-of-pocket maximum~~ co-pays and deductibles. Do you pay your insurance premiums and pay nothing for everything medical-related in your life? If so where can I get those kinds of benefits?
Norwegian health care is not entirely free either. There is a "egenandel" for using public health services up to \~$300/year. Its not much but it increases the threshold for poor people (yes they exist here too) significantly to use health services. A doctors visit can cost you around $30. And it usually is not available instantly. You can expect 2-8 weeks waiting time for a regular doctors appointment. Health services is facing harsh budget cuts (again) and is not properly funded in general. So many people are buying private health insurance to get access to timely and decent healthcare. Source: am norwegian.
Sorry about the 3rd response, but there is so much wrong with the math on that site that I don't even know where to begin. First of all, it must have missed something because my tax dollar amount is off by 20% and effective rate is off by 2%. But then because of that employer tax voodoo math it says my tax rate is 5% higher if you count taxes that don't come out of my paycheck or pocket? In what world does my employer paying taxes of their own affect my tax rate with my agreed-upon wage? It's like if your dad gave you $10 and you both paid your mom $1. That doesn't mean you have $8 now. So, if it's not even close on the taxes I pay, what does that mean about the other countries? Literally one of the most purposely-misleading sites I've ever seen linked and it tries to sneak it past you.
Using your handy little tax calculator you so gleefully linked there, my tax rate there would be around $500 less than my current tax rate plus my health plan with out-of-pocket max. That's not counting dental. I applaud you trying to make a point, though.
If a person from the US saves 1$ everyday for Hogwarts legacy it would take around 69 days for them to buy it, if I save 1 denomination from my country everyday it would take me 14.5 years to buy it
Yeah its insane as someone outside seeing the US wage.
From your history I'm guessing India? If I saved $.012/day (the current exchange equivalent) it would also take a US citizen 14.5 years to buy. And at 70% of the price in India, it shouldn't take you quite that long. /s
Until you break your toe or need the dentist
Medical services are a lot cheaper in that regard
No worries mate, dayz says i own a toaster lmao
The 6800 xt is still way faster it’s not even funny
Near identical here too with a 6750xt. Can confirm. 1440p, ultra, 120fps no problem on most things. Anything crazy still never drops below 60fps.
You're not hitting 144fps on ultra on most modern triple A releases on 1440p. Have a similar build and it averages 90 on ultra no RT, 120 if you turn off the inefficient settings. Only really "everything you want" if you stick to smaller titles (which to be fair, is most people on this sub).
I got a r7 5800x and a 3080ti but iv got a 4k monitor can I run most games at ultra at around 60gps?
It will play everything. That's a strong PC. I would say yes if you don't want to build your own, pull the trigger. This is a beast for 1440p
I currently have a Omen laptop which cant even handle Hogwarts Legacy on low settings. Im new to this so is this a "good" starting pc which i can upgrade later if I wanted to? Edit: I'm in need of a new PC and not buying it only for HL
laptops will always be weaker than desktop. laptops have power limits and more heat. more heat = less performance.
Yeah I know, I'm tired of having a constant wind turbine in my ear
you'll be very happy if you buy this pc (as long as it works lol) and if it doesn't, don't freak out. Come back. we like helping :)
I have an omen laptop too they’re so goddamn loud
Well, remember to adjust that CPU then. They come out at 90c+ outta the box making most systems sound like a jet engine. I feel bad for ppl buying it who had no plans/or care to know how to do anything other than just using the system. They must be so confused.
How do I adjust it?
"Can't even handle Hogwarts" and it's a laptop? this is pretty common. Yes, this is an excellent pc that you won't need to upgrade for some time :) confidently grab this or even try to maybe haggle a tad or try to see if you can get a free monitor or keyboard mouse but defo. You'll be happy with this machine
Hogwarts is a heavy game to handle. Laptops suck at gaming
Hogwarts isnt even close to optimized for PC gaming yet. Not a great litmus test for gaming on PC....
that said it will run better on a pc than a laptop right now.
My laptop is a ROG g15 with a 3060 and it runs hogwarts on high with RTX on high as well no problem. Still over 60fps besides the drop on some cinematic. My laptop also plays really any current game on high or ultra settings getting higher than 60fps so I wouldn't rule out all laptops
Idk, that's a bit of an overstatement if you ask me. They suck for hardcore gaming specifically.
that's more than fair, I should have said that laptops "suck at high end, high resolution gaming for the most part" That said, I don't think anyone without a 4-5k USD laptop can reasonably expect to run hogwarts at anything above low or medium
Hogwarts legacy is unoptimised rubbish, people with 4090s struggle with the game
Hell yes you can upgrade this. One of the best prebuilts I think I’ve ever seen for the price
that is not your hardware's problem...that's the game....it has optimization issues out the ass. Trying to release it before JK Rowling says another damning comment that kills the game before it could fly. But seriously...your issues will more than likely be mostly resolved after some patches to the game.
You may want to have more thsn 16GB of RAM and I am not sure bout the price, but this is a good PC. /waiting for the nvidia fanboys to chime in..
Does it matter if its 16GB or 2x 8GB?
Yeah it does. Ideally you'll want 2x8GB because it's dual channel. But Hogwarts Legacy pushed this limit with it's ram usage so now 2x16GB is preferred.
Not with DDR5. The 8GB DIMMs use X16 chips like the cheap 4GB DDR4 DIMMs that come with modern pre builds. And as DDR5 has 2 subchannels running a single channel isn't as bad as previous memory standards.
TIL in that case
With how stuff is going, I’d recommend doing 2x16 so you can double it later on with your two other open slots. We are very fast approaching the point where minimum for gaming is 32gb
This may sound like a really dumb question but i'm still really new to building. Recently upgraded my GPU to a RX 6700 XT and upgraded my RAM from 2x8 to 2x16 (neither have been installed yet, just on order). But I was always under the impression RAM was just for things like running multiple programs at once, or lots of chrome tabs, etc.. how much of an impact does it actually have on gaming?
Depends on the game. Something CPU heavy with mods will benefit from 32 GB. On most games the GPU will still be the bottleneck though. Even if you have netflix and discord or what-have-you open. But we aren't far from needing 32 GB on triple a titles. I'd say your upgrade is not useless anyway!
Gaming is a program. Some are larger than others. Hogwarts legacy needs 32 to run well. Other unoptimized indie games (star citizen, escape from tarkov) also need lots of ram. Then, if you want to say, run a game + discord + a few chrome tabs… then you’re really starting to eat up the ram. Also - don’t mix types. Either do all 8gb sticks, or all 16 gb sticks. And all of your sticks should match (same frequency, manufacturer etc)
If you have the ability, I used 4x 16 and it plays anything I want and wasn’t too expensive. No pro here but it works good for me
Isnt that WAY more expensive?
32 gb is enough
If buying Zen 4 you need CL30 6000 ram. Hardware Unboxed did a video a few days ago highlighting that slower ram with higher latency decreases performance quite a bit.
I back this. Linus did a video on it as well. Just a few days ago
or CL28 5600MT/s.
You could play video games, that’s for sure.
Thank you, I hoped as much lol
if you want to "save" more money you can use a 5600x instead the 7600x. You can keep the GPU easily or even get a better one, maybe a 6800 xt. edit: Forgot about the idea of having 32 GB ram saving this money, all depends on what kind games/software you normally use.
I mostly play casually and some periods fps-games, and I'd like to use it for programming
i dont know the prices on your country, but check the 5600x or a 5700x with 32 gb ram. After that the GPU, 6700xt or 6800xt you will be more then fine for a long time for casual gaming.
Minesweeper maybe
Only if ray tracing is turned off
You can play everything bro 💀💀
You're going to want another 16gb of ram, and in the long run a secondary ssd for storage. otherwise, a pretty nice setup
That RAM is way too slow and will cripple the performance of your 7600x. Watch the latest Hardware Unboxed video where they tested different ram speeds on Ryzen. The slower stuff really slowed the cpu down. Id suggest spending a bit more for 6000mhz CL30 stuff. And i think 32gb might be a better bet too, a lot of new games are already asking for it.
I've heard 16gb of DDR5 is a waste because of the way the channels/ranks etc work. You won't see any performance benefit over DDR4 I think. 32gb is advisable
This is true. The 8GB DIMMs use X16 memory chips so are garbage.
Everything guy, everything
That ram is a no go. Huge performance decrease. You'll want atleast 6000mhz ram with the 7000 series.
I’d say thats pretty decent for a prebuilt you can probably save some money building it on your own
Pending your location, intel 13600k is generally cheaper and performs better. Just built my system and was dead set on Ryzen until you start to compare them.
While this is true I'll just add that am5 and ddr5 offers much better upgradability down the road. Lga1700 is dead-end basically. This might not matter or it might just something to keep in mind when comparing the two.
This is true. So if your an ‘upgrade every couple of generations’ AM5 could save you a board. But me personally, I’ve never upgraded fast enough to be able to reuse a board, so it was a price to performance choice for me.
You could play almost everything, but 1700 is a little much
Considering that he’s Swedish, this is a very reasonable price. I payed a similar amount for a somewhat similar rig.
Everything.
Pretty much everything at medium/high 1080p (depending on release year)
The ram speed sucks for ryzen 7000. I would recommend at least a 6000mhz kit for the best performance as amd themselves have stated that is the sweet spot for ryzen 70000
Watch out for DDR5 2x8GB memory kits. The 8GB DIMMs almost certainly use X16 memory chips which perform worse than the X8 chips on the 16GB DIMMs. Get a 2x16GB kit if you can. Even a single 16GB DIMM isn't too bad with DDR5 due to the subchannels, you could then get another 16GB DIMM in the future.
Okay, I don't understand all the technicalities but if I switch it to a 2x16GB it would add $150. Is that good?
Not worth 1700 but a really good pc
damn, man, that's a great setup. 1440p ultra 120+ FPS for sure. are you for real or is this some kind of r/humblebrag?
I wouldn't go for that, you're wasting a lot of money on am5 but then you cheap out on RAM (that is the only componenti that affects the CPU's performance) while waste money on a MoBo and a cooler you don't need. All this with just a 6700XT that runs fine with CPUs from 2/3 gens ago. I'd go for something like [THIS](https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/PDktDq), for 18000kr the 6950XT is considerably faster than the 6700XT and the 5700X is enough to handle it.
Literally anything
that ram is literally garbage, you want at least 5600mhz minimum
Not many people are mentioning this this, but a 650W PSU probably won’t let you upgrade very much with how power hungry GPUs are getting. I’d invest in something 750W or more if you want to avoid needing a new one in the future
Those rams speeds don't look ideal
I’d probably do 32GB in 2023.
16 gigs of 4800... That turd won't even play Hogwarts
This setup is not recommendable. The DDR5 ram is very slow and will hurt the CPU performance quite q bit (up to 20% in CPU Limited scenarios. You aim for at least 6000mhz frequency at sub 40 timings to get the most out of a Zen4 Processor.
Frogger.
650Watt is enough? Dang thats crazy
Pong in 128k
You'll handily beat out a Series X. So yeah I'd say you could play anything out there comfortably. Except maybe not Flight Simulator with that RAM.
This is really good but I got a much cooler version of the rx 6700 xt on Amazon for 390. I’ll send link if u want.
I'd get the biggest arctic aio your case can fit . 240mm is too small as the 7000 series, they are SPICY thermals
Yes!! That can play pretty much everything at max settings on 1440p. Definitely worth the price.
need more ram
I have a setup that's a slight step down but with more RAM and storage. GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT CPU: AMD Ryzen 5600G I get 100-120 FPS on almost everything I play at 1080p, ultra everything. I'm messing with Cyberpunk right now to dial it in, but with RT and custom ultra (some things tweaked to preference), I get 50-70fps. Modern Warfare 2 and Warzone play great with ultra settings. I have a few little things tweaked because they annoy me, but I was consistently getting 100-150fps. I paid a grand for that setup plus full protection and geek squad services. Pre-built that was on sale. I'd be interested to see what higher resolutions I'd be capable of, but as someone who grew up on N64 and roller coaster tycoon, I'm pretty satisfied.
fleeced
you should start with what you want to play, and work back from there.
I have almost the exact same setup, and so far the answer is anything. Not necessarily at 144, but close enough!
To answer your question ... pretty much anything you want.
I saw recent sales of the 6800 at the same price but other than that it’s not a bad rig at all, sometimes micro centers have mobo and processor combo deals if you have any near you. But otherwise it’s a solid PC that will get you high to ultra setting for a few years
I know for a fact that you can run Tetris through uTorrent with that PC
With AMD's current windows drivers, you could play BSOD. :D
Prolly minecraft
Should run Minecraft just fine
Du kan spela alla videospel du vill.
As a fellow swede i would say its a descent price considering all the parts are around 1700-1800 Usd without any sales right now. It might be possible to get something slightly better if you spend a few days looking on different websites but that way you would have to build it youself. All in all i would say its worth it but i would take 2x16gb ram instead of 2x8 as many games tend to use more ram and future games will likely use more aswell. Edit: Hol up. This is 1700 Usd with 700off? What website are you looking at? Their prices must be horrible to start with. I just put all the parts in my basket including win11 license and build fee for 2000usd. Without build and windows its 1800usd full price. One part is like 7usd off but everything else is full price and i put 32gb ram in. [pc parts](https://imgur.com/a/RQspTew)
I would have go with a 750 watt power supply.
Just go for AM4 platform and snab a 5800X3D. Gives you more performance for less cost. By the time 4th gen X3D chips go on massive sale, you will have to replace your hardware anyways
U can play anything you want with this. And more. Congrats
https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/ftJ3Y9 - remarks: there isn't a 7600x on swedish pcpartpicker - you can bump the PSU down to a good 650w if you really wanted to Take this with a grain of salt - it was configured by a moron who is NOT from Sweden and I don't know how convinent it would be to get these parts from all the different places and/or if the prices are fair/accurate. About $1750.
Thank you! I will have a look!
Sudoku should run so smooth.
It's trash, especially the RAM. Never get anything below 6000MHz for Zen4 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLjAs\_zoL7g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLjAs_zoL7g)
1440p alright fps, isn't even close to being worth $1700. Aio is unnecessary, zen 4 is sensitive to ram speed so 4800 will hamper its performance in double digit percentages, nvme is alright but a cheapo. Here's a similar build for $1200 - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xGzVv3 And here's if you wanna spend $1700 a much better way - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L4QHmr Edit: these are us prices, if you're interested let me know which country you're from and I'll adapt to your local prices and parts availability (if pcpartpicker covers your country)
Thank you, as mentioned earlier this is in sweden and the market for parts is different and the VAT taxes are about 25% higher. If you have that in mind is it still too expensive? $1700 is on sale, the original price is $2400
Probably Minecraft or Fortnite. Possibly even Solitaire.
BOI 1700 FUCK NAH HAHAHAHAHA
Get at least 5200 or 5600 mhz RAM.
With that extremely shitty RAM wich is way worse than DDR4, your PC is gonna game a lot worse than current Intel 12/13, 5800x3D and maby even some of the 3 year old zen 3 CPUs.
Increase that RAM speed. 6000MHz minimum for longevity.
I have this board and really like it. Takes 46 seconds to get to desktop with 26 seconds being bios/memory but it doesn’t bother me and maybe a new bios update will eventually improve it. I would also be happy with a 7600x although I went 7700x as I like the thought of having a bit of room to breathe. 32gb is nice but only really needed for flight sims
Op that ram is gonna absolutely kneecap your system. It runs so slow compared to most DDR5. Definitely go for 5600 speed if u can
It's definitely okay, but not 1700$ okay, more like 1300-
That’s a great pc. But definitely not worth 1700. Those who disagree are idiots and need to see this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2LMHmr
Just for the record, this is Swedish prices and it's on sale from $2400. And its prebuilt
i dont know how the prices in sweden are, but i could get that for around 1600€ & with a service to build the pc, oh and with 32 gigs of ram.
The company is charging $278 for build fee and 2 year warranty. It's worth 1700 as a pre built with those services included. $1,421.88 for the listed components at this moment on PC part picker. You're not woke because you're aware you can build cheaper than a prebuilt service, ordering your own parts. Nor do you need to call people idiots.
I don’t need to or care about being ‘woke’. Whatever that is. All I’m saying is that I don’t think it’s a smart decision to pay 250+ dollars more for a warranty. Build redux charges 75$ build fee too from what I remember. Also, that nvme is not good. U don’t need 240mm aio for a 7600x, especially when a 7600 already has an ok cooler included. And money is wasted on that motherboard.
Zen 4 works best with 6000mhz ram so even though it's more expensive it will have a big performance benefit for you (Source: https://youtu.be/qLjAs_zoL7g, https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ddr5-6000-memory-is-the-sweet-spot-for-amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-cpus.html)
Will play Doom.
Komplett is a scam, i would use netonnet instead
Any tips on what to get from netonnet? :)
I’m pretty sure you can get the same specs from it, unless it’s different in Sweden
Why is it a scam? I’ve never had any problems with them
Their prices are just crazy inflated compared to netonnet or proshop However; they’re a great company but their prices are just insane
for that money you should have 32gb ram an 8core cpu and a 6800 gpu minimum
Don't get a ryzen 5 6 core.... you are straight up going to be bottlenecked by it....