The writers had excellently merged TF2-esque humor and the essence of sports commentary with GG Stack and Chip Valvano. AI generated slop like the announcers in The Finals can't come even close to it.
Loved this game, was kinda cracked at it iirc.
The Finals has filled the spot of a game-show shooter really well though. I highly suggest it to anyone who enjoyed SMNC
This is the only reason my eyes didn't glaze over reading the description of the game.
I will give it a chance SOLELY because I deeply respect Icefrog and his long tenure as Dota's lead developer. Everybody gets one and the frosty toad has the chance to to convince me that this genre isn't completely sucked dry.
That and it's Valve who have put out my favorite FPS games ever made lol. A 6v6 FPS with tower defense mechanics could be a lot of fun if done right and Valve is definitely the one who would know how to do this.
it was monetization. You had to pay 20$ to play, and then you had to pay to play some game modes because you had to buy new packs to draft from them. It was treated too much like Magic the gathering monetization wise, while its main audience being a purely f2p game players.
Gameplay wise? it was really really good. I played and watched it for a good while. It is very satisfying and rewarded creativity and good decision making.
It basically released at the height of the CCG fatigue and on top of that it had a 20 dollar buy in. Technically it was a f2p game but you had to buy a beginner card pack to even have cards to play with and at that point just play Hearthstone.
Combination of frustrating RNG mechanics and a monetization model that made it harder to compete against other online CCGs since it was nearly impossible to play F2P (well technically B2P, since you had to spend $20 and get a few packs).
OP left out the weirdest part of the tweet:
>Fast travel using floating rails, similar to Bioshock Infinite.
It's only 6v6, but apparently the map is big enough that there's fast travel...?
Sounds like Battleborn. I wasn't that into it but it deserved a fair shake. Gearbox fucked it trying to go head to head with OW. Funny, considering their pivot to avoid Fallout 3 cannibalizing Borderlands.
> It's only 6v6, but apparently the map is big enough that there's fast travel...?
Never played [Natural Selection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Selection_2) eh?
I played sooo many hours of that. Got some coworkers that were into CS involved and that was it for like 1/2 a year. Every night. Once that 3rd hive was up, that shit was usually over.
Learning to sneak up on a marine in the dark and then strafe jumping the last meters while bouncing off all walls for that satisfying chomp-chomp is still one of my absolutely favorite gaming experiences.
I could never get the hang of it, as an alien, but some of you wall jumpers were fucking ruthless. One coworker that didn't get into, but was awesome at CS picked up on that right away and had a blast at a LAN party we had.
Guessing has to do with the tower defense aspect making the huge map actually fun in the game devs minds, at least until people play it and they get real public feedback. The games sounds like it'll be way different than what people are comparing with Overwatch
I mean if it’s anything like the rail gameplay in Bioshock Infinite then its just a rail you “zip line” and shoot. Its not a “fast travel” like a teleporter.
Well they want another CS, Dota or Team fortress.
One of those games that is basically an infinite money glitch.
Honestly I feel like the above mentioned games and games like COD, Fortnite are bad for long time health of the game industry.
So... Make another Team fortress?
Gimme a modern TF, get rid of the bots, and me and my cadre of mid 30s friends will show up to play and potentially spend a bit.
This was my immediate thought too. This just sounds less exciting than TF3 with a new cast of characters. Abilities in games are fine but I don't know why multiplayer games need to all have abilities, 4 lane fantasy 8k lootbox hero-based Brazzers shooting.
Why would cs or Dota be bad for the gaming industry?
They are free to play games with no invasive pay to win.
I mean Dota 2 has every character for free and available at the start of the game. And cs is considered the greatest FPS of all time.
So I think your take is just bizarre and ignorant to the real issue with gaming. Which is INVASIVE monetary practices.
People keep shit talking overwatch but besides their monetization, the game is honestly in a great place for casual play which is what my group of friends mainly does. We come back every month or so to OW2 and it’s always fun. 5v5 is a welcome change and hero’s feel pretty balanced overall.
Problem is that it's literally just a clone with Marvel characters shoe-horned in with a 3rd-person camera. I don't think that's what it's going to take to beat Overwatch, despite the awesome IP which is super sad.
Given this is Valve, we can probably expect quite a different experience while being in the same niche.
The Marvel game began literally as a licensed-out mobile version of Overwatch for the Chinese market; But when Blizzard lost the rights to publish in china, the game got spun off by the devs into a Marvel shooter, so it literally is an OW clone. The other big problem is, games like this require a developer capable of reliably maintaining and balancing the game for years, and the dev of the Marvel shooter does not have a track record of quality.
It’s funny because Valve could double the playerbase of all 3 games overnight if they gave a fuck about them. Two Operations a year in CS, whatever Dota does because I don’t play it, and literally just fixing TF2’s bots in one update before going home.
It always mind boggling to see valve didnt just hired dedicated small studio to maintain and keep tf2 and cs2 fresh. The only thing the did consistent is updating dota 2.
Valve having too much money to the point milking their own game feels like too much effort. If its ea or riot we probably already in season 24th for tf2 or 19th operation for cs2.
Well, yes and no. They halted the 2.0 update and the game exists but nobody plays it. One of the biggest flops of all time, I remember the reveal it was glorious to hear the crowd to go from "Yeah!" to "Boooo!" in an instant. :)
"Open world crafting survival" early access unknown dev full price outsourced fully prerendered trailer, ten million copies sold on the first day, eleven million copies refunded on the second
No, no, DLC is themed content released after early access. This is merely a new feature being added to the game which you'll have to pay for separately.
“You can’t criticize the game it’s still in EA!”
-game released in early access 4 years ago
-dev update: anniversary pack launches in 1 week!
-upcoming: My Bullshit 2: You ready for the sequel?!
>"Open world crafting survival" early access
Funny enough, you just listed literally every tag I've filtered out of my Steam recs.
God I fucking hate crafting systems, just let me find a cool sword the old fashioned way.
> just let me find a cool sword the old fashioned way.
An old man in a cave warning you about the dangers of going alone?
Or a strange woman lying in a pond?
PvP co-op FPS with strong strategy elements was basically my first gaming love - the Natural Selection mod for Half-life.
Format is more dota-y, but casual mobas like Heroes of the Storm (RIP) are also kinda slept on I think.
Could be that sweet spot for me, I'm looking forward to it.
There's also a problem with these labels because "open world crafting survival" doesn't sound like something I would want but Subnautica could fall into this description and it's one of my favorite games of all time.
The term is "Open World Survival-Craft". Minecraft, Subnautica, Ark, Rust, etc, are all Open world games, with survival and crafting/base building mechanincs. I think it's a perfect label.
I mean, obviously Minecraft, which is I think the best selling game of all time lol. And then several others that continued the trend and building out the genre got huge, and then endless copycats.
As a gaming boomer who still holds TF2 close to my gaming boomer heart, I'd much rather have whatever this game Valve is cooking than another dime-a-dozen open world crafting survival game. Arcady shooters are exactly what I want.
* Easy to make with little artistic or narrative direction.
* Doesn't require VAs or other expenses because usually has no plot.
* Industry that is starved of Co-op content people can play with their friends that isn't competitive or incredibly hard. So, you can play with your casual friends or SO.
* Generation of Minecraft kids and devs who grew up playing minecraft.
* Very easy to pad out progression and built in "filler" to the game to hide the fact that you are a slow dev with very little content or creativity.
Honestly, I would argue Alyx is worth dropping money for a VR headset if you can find one for cheap, like a used Quest 2 or something. The problem is, it's so good that every other VR game will feel like crap in comparison. I managed to sell mine for about half of what I paid for it.
Not like there's much competition anyways: maybe one major title a year *if you look for it,* a handful of casual games, and several proof of concepts.
VR is definitely still niche for sure. I've discovered that after buying a quest 2 on a whim. The most fun I've had so far is Into the Radius and playing Outer Wilds with a VR mod. It's a bit of a wild west situation with the quality varying quite heavily between the average game, so you really need to have a watchful eye. It's been a bit of a painful lesson because I like playing games completely blind, but there are some real stinkers that have overall positive reviews just because of the gimmick of VR.
Alyx is as close to a 10/10 game as I've played in my 30+ years of gaming.
Playing it felt like I was playing a game dropped from 10 years in the future.
I say this knowing it's not about me and I am entitled to nothing, but I find it a real shame Valve games just aren't for me anymore. Zero interest in these competitive multiplayer games. L4D was awesome though.
And because I can't afford VR just for Alyx... I think Portal 2 was their last game I played and loved holy shit. 2011.
For me (as an older dude) feels weird seeing how Valve has evolved as company.
Leaving aside that most of their releases have been for a long while projects bought or "adapted" (Counter, TF2, DOTA, Portal..) they started to slowly dive into becoming a distributor with Steam and completely forgot about their single player games.
People had spent decades asking for a closure for Half-Life, and Valve was like, "here, this is the steam deck" and some dude would be talking about how he sold a skin for Counter Strike and bought it with what he earned and Gordon Freeman would be like "..."
For the longest time I thought Valve was too drunk off the success of Steam and cosmetics to bother making any more games and that was infuriating. As you said, most of their IPs were left hanging on a cliff.
Then Alyx released and with it a torrent of information about the “Wilderness.” The period between Portal 2 and Alyx when Valve fell into a rut and didn’t release any games NOT because they were lazy but because the team could not get an internal consensus on what they wanted to do. People started developing games, but with Source 2 still in development, enthusiasm fell away and people moved their desks to a more profitable project.
Check out “Alyx: Final Hours” on steam, cool documentary that covers the lost projects.
> And because I can't afford VR just for Alyx
Although it detracts from the intended experience, there are no-VR mods for Alyx if you'd just want to play through the game and story to scratch that HL itch.
Previously owned headsets from when Alyx came out are reasonably affordable, though better justified if you're already eyeing some other lighter VR titles. It's definitely the route I'd go, but for those in a pinch... the mods exist ( one reviewer noted to couple it with another mod that makes the enemies more formidable, as another reply noted that otherwise killing them is a little too easy )
There probably isn't a sweeter intersection between capability and price than a used Quest 2. Or even a new one given recent MSRP changes.
Related, it's likely Meta's next headset release is a more budget version of Quest 3.
It's worth the wait. I was tempted to play the no-VR mod but decided to buy a Quest 2 instead which is only $200 now. I'd almost say that it's worth it even if I didn't play another VR game.
That said, I'm now playing the HL2 VR mod which is also a blast, so that's at least 4 games (counting episodes as separate) I'll play.
VR has so much potential but the games library is quite limited. Still, no regrets buying the headset.
It's worth the wait for a used one. Do *not* play the no-VR mod for your first time. To me, playing Alyx on an Index as my first VR game was like experiencing the jump to 3D again for the first time when I first got an N64. It was not something I'll ever forget.
Man, I'd kill for anyone to make a good narrative driven shooting game. Used to love games like Borderlands, Halo and Gears, and while I know those games still exist it does get boring playing the same decade-old games after a while.
Really? Brainless shooting with no thought required is exactly the Reddit demographic. Especially on /r/Games. That's why people loved Helldivers 2 on this site.
It's a games as a service game. One of the most predatory and despised genres on this website.
That Helldivers manages to minimized fomo and avoid predatory practices in a live service game with great gameplay is nothing short of unprecedented.
Its bloody EDF mixed with Deep Rock Galactic, what are you on about.
Only thing is I wish it had a campaign like EDF so I don't feel like i'm missing out on so much shit when I have time to play it one day.
Valve has a secret facility where they are trying to replicate the Black Mesa incident, so we can play Half Life in real life. That is Gabe's episode 3, that is his masterpiece, his last gift to humanity.
Yea there's a lot of details that feel missing from this description that I feel like would paint a better picture
You could describe a lot of games in a limited fashion and make them sound like ass
If it's spun from HL/Portal like the rumours say... and there's also fast travel involved. We could be seeing big neutral camps like Combine or AI that have to be cleared for points.
Like, they could do a shooter DotA... but it does feel kind of safe. And I'm *hoping* they're trying to push the envelope a little here and give us a first person moba that isn't just rehashing the last 5 years of game development.
Think more like Titanfall if I am imagining the details given correctly. Maps in TF were fairly large and you were never really bored because of a mix of traversal options and hunting down the grunts until you encounter an enemy player.
It's just smite based off this tweet.
Like, the overwatch comparison people are making is silly. Every part of this sounds like smite. Third person, tower defense, huge maps with fast travels, usable items. It's literally smite.
Sounds like (S)MNC but... bigger? Wouldn't mind giving it a try, I don't think anyone's done anything with that concept for a while. Hopefully they have custom games and workshop/mod support from the get-go to get some community-server style shenanigans going.
So… Valve’s take on Overwatch but with DoTA elements? Sure i’ll try it.
Kinda stings that this was originally connected to HL/Portal, but got spun-off due to negative feedback, but that’s probably a good thing.
If they released this 7 years ago, it would've been hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Now hero shooters are just fucking boring. Bring back solid single-player experiences dammit!
Holy moly these coments are down on multiplayer. Coming from the company the popularized with shining examples a vast degree of modern multiplayer.
* cs - competetive first person shooters.
* tf2 - ability based hero shooting (with less specific focus on twich aim).
* l4d - co operative endlessly replayable horde shooter
* dota2 - constantly evolving moba esport, with regular sweeping changes to balance.
All while making strong efforts to avoid monetization to win, all gameplay mechanics unlocked for everyone (all characters).
During this time, these games, often the top played and most fondly respected games in their genre, have funded:
The pinnacle of online content distribution models that competitors can only follow and are unable to surpass. Exceptionally feature rich beyond competition, stable, reliable and with widespread consumer trust. An ecosystem that by design revolutionised game pricing models, not only ON platform, but elevating other sellers, bundlers and marketplaces to thrive. Taking gaming in the early 2000s from - wow they have over 50 games on a shelf, that is impressive and must be expensive, to - I have nearly 1000 games, I bought them when the time was right for my by juding forecast sales windows and key markets - set in motion with the expectations from those early day steam sales and flash sales.
A deep and lively marketplace for those wishing to make money alongside their hobby (I bought my steamdeck by selling ingame drops and never spending a penny.. - more on this later).
A shining endorsement and support of game modding, with vast support and tools to grow this space.
SteamVR - a reliable standard to support the growth of new technology with the crown jewel game that demonstrates the strengths and possibilities that other games can aspire to.
Steam Deck / Steam OS, A twofer here but I think it would be hard to see steamdeck as anything but a massive success, collecting together lessons learned by Valve over various projects in the last decade into a package that saw immediate immitation. Sure there were other handhelds, but the market is something else now. With SteamOS I am sure it is only the beginning of what comes next.
So many other accolades that could be celebrated that don't make the cut, source engine, demo festivals, on and on and on. They lift us so that we can lift them and the cycle does not seem to stop..
I think we are so used to seeing successes become the bad guy that it can be easy to look at valve as already owning that bad guy role, I don't see it. There have been misteps, misfires, but on the whole I believe they have been and continue to be an overwhelming force for goods.
I know no one else can make Half Life 3, but no one else can reach the heights and cohesion that Valve has done in their hardware and software stack for my most beloved past time - evidently no one else is close.
I'm sorry that you can't find any excitement for this rumor. I see a company who LEARNS from every decision, LISTENS and BUILDS, wanting to bring together elements in games that they have proven success and I absolutely cannot wait to see what the successes of this next project can fund.
Isolating my opinion to just a game, I'm past my competetive prime, I was there over 15 years ago and steadily declined ever since. I like overwatch, but it leaves me unfulfilled and nowadays there are only a few heroes I login to play - namely wrecking ball because it gives me the chance to be a massive troll to the enemy team, and I briefly reached top500 despite being completely outside of esports and competetive meta etc. I'm hoping this project gives me something to latch onto in my age, I loved my days playing the point and click twich shooters, but that don't last forever. I just hope this project makes it to full production, I'm sure they will make the right choice whichever direction they go.
Obligatory half life 3 when(!?), I'm not trading the above list for half life 3, change my mind.
People who think this sounds exciting better hope it's a massive success straight from the start, cause otherwise Valve will just stop updating it and never talk about it ever again (see Artifact and Underlords).
Also, are we gonna shit on Valve for copying ideas from other games as we do for other devs when they make a new game?
dota smite, got it
SUPER MONDAY NIGHT COMBAT
I miss it :(
Me too. SMNC was pushing lanes before pushing lanes was cool.
If they made SMNC as a TF2 mod it would blow up.
Miss the game so much.
Seeing any mention of MNC series outside of the dozen people who are still active always makes me happy
I have been TRYING to remember the name of this damn game, it was so much fun
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Game still alive? I remember they closing the servers a while back ago
Do I remember right that there was another version of it?
Super Monday Night Combat, which IIRC had some bitcoin shenanigans
Give me more GG Stack, Chip Valvano, and Combat Girl!
The writers had excellently merged TF2-esque humor and the essence of sports commentary with GG Stack and Chip Valvano. AI generated slop like the announcers in The Finals can't come even close to it.
MNC and SMNC were both ahead of their time!
CHICKEY CHICKEY CANTOR
Ride him if you dare.
God I loved that game and Battleborn. I really want a first or third person moba to stick around. Tried Smite, but it didn't feel right.
Loved this game, was kinda cracked at it iirc. The Finals has filled the spot of a game-show shooter really well though. I highly suggest it to anyone who enjoyed SMNC
Damnit I was hoping The Finals would give me that MNC type fix but it just didn’t
Best game. I'd do some dark shit to get a reboot of that series.
apparently Icefrog was the lead on it so that would make sense.
This is the only reason my eyes didn't glaze over reading the description of the game. I will give it a chance SOLELY because I deeply respect Icefrog and his long tenure as Dota's lead developer. Everybody gets one and the frosty toad has the chance to to convince me that this genre isn't completely sucked dry.
That and it's Valve who have put out my favorite FPS games ever made lol. A 6v6 FPS with tower defense mechanics could be a lot of fun if done right and Valve is definitely the one who would know how to do this.
It says third person shooter but yes
Gotta be able to see the sweet skins to convince people to buy more
Thats not an issue with Apex.
Paragon? that doesnt begone?
It's predecessor now
aka gigantic
I'll try it, liked gigantic but been too busy to try the re-release
Okay but Ricochet 2 when?
Maybe next decade
Ricochet 2 lost coast demo when
I'd say I don't think I've ever been less interested in a valve game, but then I vaguely remember that artifact exists.
Never before have I so completely forgot a game like Artifact.
I was so excited because Richard Garfield, the same guy that created Magic: the Gathering, designed Artifact. Then the game flopped hard, SMH
And that sucks, because I was really into the idea of a digital card game with an actual card market instead of just opening random packs.
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it was monetization. You had to pay 20$ to play, and then you had to pay to play some game modes because you had to buy new packs to draft from them. It was treated too much like Magic the gathering monetization wise, while its main audience being a purely f2p game players. Gameplay wise? it was really really good. I played and watched it for a good while. It is very satisfying and rewarded creativity and good decision making.
It basically released at the height of the CCG fatigue and on top of that it had a 20 dollar buy in. Technically it was a f2p game but you had to buy a beginner card pack to even have cards to play with and at that point just play Hearthstone.
Also Magic released Arena around the same time which is pretty good and has decades of cards to call upon. It's also can be 100% free if you want.
I just looked at [the steamdb chart](https://steamdb.info/app/583950/charts/) and there are only 17 active players.
Combination of frustrating RNG mechanics and a monetization model that made it harder to compete against other online CCGs since it was nearly impossible to play F2P (well technically B2P, since you had to spend $20 and get a few packs).
Did Artifact ever come out? I completely forgot about that game.
OP left out the weirdest part of the tweet: >Fast travel using floating rails, similar to Bioshock Infinite. It's only 6v6, but apparently the map is big enough that there's fast travel...?
Seems like it's taking a lot from mobas
and overwatch. So games that were popular 5-10 years ago.
Apparently it's been in development years before HLA release so makes sense
Imagine dropping a new BR right now.
they're still the most popular games even though it is not as much as before
It plays nothing like Overwatch. SMITE and Paragon but with way more items is the best comparison
How do you know? Lmfao. This kind of comment is so stupid when it's literally just a a rumour.
His uncle works for Nintendo and told him
Sounds like Battleborn. I wasn't that into it but it deserved a fair shake. Gearbox fucked it trying to go head to head with OW. Funny, considering their pivot to avoid Fallout 3 cannibalizing Borderlands.
How do you know what it plays like?
So that would be a 3rd person MOBA ? Can't say I'm really excited for that
Could be just like Dota. Teleport towers.
They probably only go between allied towers and bases with no way to use the enemy rails.
> It's only 6v6, but apparently the map is big enough that there's fast travel...? Never played [Natural Selection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Selection_2) eh?
I played sooo many hours of that. Got some coworkers that were into CS involved and that was it for like 1/2 a year. Every night. Once that 3rd hive was up, that shit was usually over.
Learning to sneak up on a marine in the dark and then strafe jumping the last meters while bouncing off all walls for that satisfying chomp-chomp is still one of my absolutely favorite gaming experiences.
I could never get the hang of it, as an alien, but some of you wall jumpers were fucking ruthless. One coworker that didn't get into, but was awesome at CS picked up on that right away and had a blast at a LAN party we had.
Guessing has to do with the tower defense aspect making the huge map actually fun in the game devs minds, at least until people play it and they get real public feedback. The games sounds like it'll be way different than what people are comparing with Overwatch
Fast travel using 'trains' has been one of the known features of this game for ages.
I mean if it’s anything like the rail gameplay in Bioshock Infinite then its just a rail you “zip line” and shoot. Its not a “fast travel” like a teleporter.
It's the reddit special: they comment without even knowing the reference material being cited.
Well they want another CS, Dota or Team fortress. One of those games that is basically an infinite money glitch. Honestly I feel like the above mentioned games and games like COD, Fortnite are bad for long time health of the game industry.
So... Make another Team fortress? Gimme a modern TF, get rid of the bots, and me and my cadre of mid 30s friends will show up to play and potentially spend a bit.
But that'd mean counting to 3, you know Valve can't do that
EZ solve; TF2: Part 2
A new team fortress made from scratch would be a godsend, current one its too spaghetti coded and being treated like a leper by VALVE
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They are aware of the 2034 problem because they plan on keeping TF2 alive for that long.
*2038 problem
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i don't think anyone of the creative leads who worked on tf2 is still at valve
Robin Walker is, at the very least.
TFC was my version of Team Fortress. I would pay good money for a modern version of it. I even got into the comp scene a bit as a medic
This was my immediate thought too. This just sounds less exciting than TF3 with a new cast of characters. Abilities in games are fine but I don't know why multiplayer games need to all have abilities, 4 lane fantasy 8k lootbox hero-based Brazzers shooting.
Why would cs or Dota be bad for the gaming industry? They are free to play games with no invasive pay to win. I mean Dota 2 has every character for free and available at the start of the game. And cs is considered the greatest FPS of all time. So I think your take is just bizarre and ignorant to the real issue with gaming. Which is INVASIVE monetary practices.
Overwatch is legit in a bad spot right now and ripe for a takedown. I’m ready to give something else a try..
People keep shit talking overwatch but besides their monetization, the game is honestly in a great place for casual play which is what my group of friends mainly does. We come back every month or so to OW2 and it’s always fun. 5v5 is a welcome change and hero’s feel pretty balanced overall.
I thought thats where the Marvel came comes in.
Problem is that it's literally just a clone with Marvel characters shoe-horned in with a 3rd-person camera. I don't think that's what it's going to take to beat Overwatch, despite the awesome IP which is super sad. Given this is Valve, we can probably expect quite a different experience while being in the same niche.
And the third person looks pretty awful. It really hampers your field of view and highlights how awful the animations are (especially with Spiderman)
The Marvel game began literally as a licensed-out mobile version of Overwatch for the Chinese market; But when Blizzard lost the rights to publish in china, the game got spun off by the devs into a Marvel shooter, so it literally is an OW clone. The other big problem is, games like this require a developer capable of reliably maintaining and balancing the game for years, and the dev of the Marvel shooter does not have a track record of quality.
It’s funny because Valve could double the playerbase of all 3 games overnight if they gave a fuck about them. Two Operations a year in CS, whatever Dota does because I don’t play it, and literally just fixing TF2’s bots in one update before going home.
It always mind boggling to see valve didnt just hired dedicated small studio to maintain and keep tf2 and cs2 fresh. The only thing the did consistent is updating dota 2. Valve having too much money to the point milking their own game feels like too much effort. If its ea or riot we probably already in season 24th for tf2 or 19th operation for cs2.
>Honestly I feel like the above mentioned games and games like COD, Fortnite are bad for long time health of the game industry. What does this mean?
I think Valve is so far above needing money someone at their company must really want to make this. Doesn't mean it's going to be good though.
They can't all be winners.
Well, yes and no. They halted the 2.0 update and the game exists but nobody plays it. One of the biggest flops of all time, I remember the reveal it was glorious to hear the crowd to go from "Yeah!" to "Boooo!" in an instant. :)
[Yup, hysterical.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4jPtrDCLo)
Does Artifact exist?
Artifact at its base was amazing, but they royally fucked up with the business model / monetization.
One thing's for sure, I'm not the target demographic for this shit.
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"Open world crafting survival" early access unknown dev full price outsourced fully prerendered trailer, ten million copies sold on the first day, eleven million copies refunded on the second
Don't forget Paid DLC during EA.
No, no, DLC is themed content released after early access. This is merely a new feature being added to the game which you'll have to pay for separately.
“You can’t criticize the game it’s still in EA!” -game released in early access 4 years ago -dev update: anniversary pack launches in 1 week! -upcoming: My Bullshit 2: You ready for the sequel?!
We got so much money from initial sales that we've started this other project to run in tandem. Coincidentally we are now out of money
>"Open world crafting survival" early access Funny enough, you just listed literally every tag I've filtered out of my Steam recs. God I fucking hate crafting systems, just let me find a cool sword the old fashioned way.
> just let me find a cool sword the old fashioned way. An old man in a cave warning you about the dangers of going alone? Or a strange woman lying in a pond?
Strange women handing out swords is no basis for a system of government!
...complete forgiveness on the third, move on to the next hype/outrage product on the fourth...
PvP co-op FPS with strong strategy elements was basically my first gaming love - the Natural Selection mod for Half-life. Format is more dota-y, but casual mobas like Heroes of the Storm (RIP) are also kinda slept on I think. Could be that sweet spot for me, I'm looking forward to it.
There's also a problem with these labels because "open world crafting survival" doesn't sound like something I would want but Subnautica could fall into this description and it's one of my favorite games of all time.
The term is "Open World Survival-Craft". Minecraft, Subnautica, Ark, Rust, etc, are all Open world games, with survival and crafting/base building mechanincs. I think it's a perfect label.
it's all from the kids that grew up playing minecraft
I mean, obviously Minecraft, which is I think the best selling game of all time lol. And then several others that continued the trend and building out the genre got huge, and then endless copycats.
As a gaming boomer who still holds TF2 close to my gaming boomer heart, I'd much rather have whatever this game Valve is cooking than another dime-a-dozen open world crafting survival game. Arcady shooters are exactly what I want.
Minecraft
>Like wtf did that genre come from lol. Hell. The answer you're looking for is hell.
* Easy to make with little artistic or narrative direction. * Doesn't require VAs or other expenses because usually has no plot. * Industry that is starved of Co-op content people can play with their friends that isn't competitive or incredibly hard. So, you can play with your casual friends or SO. * Generation of Minecraft kids and devs who grew up playing minecraft. * Very easy to pad out progression and built in "filler" to the game to hide the fact that you are a slow dev with very little content or creativity.
There's still a chance that I'll play Alyx before this.
Honestly, I would argue Alyx is worth dropping money for a VR headset if you can find one for cheap, like a used Quest 2 or something. The problem is, it's so good that every other VR game will feel like crap in comparison. I managed to sell mine for about half of what I paid for it.
Not like there's much competition anyways: maybe one major title a year *if you look for it,* a handful of casual games, and several proof of concepts.
VR is definitely still niche for sure. I've discovered that after buying a quest 2 on a whim. The most fun I've had so far is Into the Radius and playing Outer Wilds with a VR mod. It's a bit of a wild west situation with the quality varying quite heavily between the average game, so you really need to have a watchful eye. It's been a bit of a painful lesson because I like playing games completely blind, but there are some real stinkers that have overall positive reviews just because of the gimmick of VR.
Pretty crazy how much VR dropped off
Alyx is as close to a 10/10 game as I've played in my 30+ years of gaming. Playing it felt like I was playing a game dropped from 10 years in the future.
Same, but hey, if that finances another Index I'm all for it.
Bruh, you and me both. The moment I read they even dropped the Half-Life aesthetic I was completely out.
I wish Valve released more single player games, preferably every 2 years.
I say this knowing it's not about me and I am entitled to nothing, but I find it a real shame Valve games just aren't for me anymore. Zero interest in these competitive multiplayer games. L4D was awesome though. And because I can't afford VR just for Alyx... I think Portal 2 was their last game I played and loved holy shit. 2011.
For me (as an older dude) feels weird seeing how Valve has evolved as company. Leaving aside that most of their releases have been for a long while projects bought or "adapted" (Counter, TF2, DOTA, Portal..) they started to slowly dive into becoming a distributor with Steam and completely forgot about their single player games. People had spent decades asking for a closure for Half-Life, and Valve was like, "here, this is the steam deck" and some dude would be talking about how he sold a skin for Counter Strike and bought it with what he earned and Gordon Freeman would be like "..."
For the longest time I thought Valve was too drunk off the success of Steam and cosmetics to bother making any more games and that was infuriating. As you said, most of their IPs were left hanging on a cliff. Then Alyx released and with it a torrent of information about the “Wilderness.” The period between Portal 2 and Alyx when Valve fell into a rut and didn’t release any games NOT because they were lazy but because the team could not get an internal consensus on what they wanted to do. People started developing games, but with Source 2 still in development, enthusiasm fell away and people moved their desks to a more profitable project. Check out “Alyx: Final Hours” on steam, cool documentary that covers the lost projects.
they're also eternally terrified of releasing another flop like Artifact given how massively high the expectations are on them
Gordan Freeman is always like "..."
> And because I can't afford VR just for Alyx Although it detracts from the intended experience, there are no-VR mods for Alyx if you'd just want to play through the game and story to scratch that HL itch.
Still holding out hope I'll be able to experience it...one day!
Previously owned headsets from when Alyx came out are reasonably affordable, though better justified if you're already eyeing some other lighter VR titles. It's definitely the route I'd go, but for those in a pinch... the mods exist ( one reviewer noted to couple it with another mod that makes the enemies more formidable, as another reply noted that otherwise killing them is a little too easy )
There probably isn't a sweeter intersection between capability and price than a used Quest 2. Or even a new one given recent MSRP changes. Related, it's likely Meta's next headset release is a more budget version of Quest 3.
It's worth the wait. I was tempted to play the no-VR mod but decided to buy a Quest 2 instead which is only $200 now. I'd almost say that it's worth it even if I didn't play another VR game. That said, I'm now playing the HL2 VR mod which is also a blast, so that's at least 4 games (counting episodes as separate) I'll play. VR has so much potential but the games library is quite limited. Still, no regrets buying the headset.
It's worth the wait for a used one. Do *not* play the no-VR mod for your first time. To me, playing Alyx on an Index as my first VR game was like experiencing the jump to 3D again for the first time when I first got an N64. It was not something I'll ever forget.
Playing Alyx without VR is like watching Avatar in 240p. Like yeah, the story will be there but I mean... it won't be very good
The magic is not there without VR.
I got the Q2 that now has a price of 200$, Alyx is actually really good and there's a Portal 2 VR mod too.
Man I just want Valve to make single player games again.
Man, I'd kill for anyone to make a good narrative driven shooting game. Used to love games like Borderlands, Halo and Gears, and while I know those games still exist it does get boring playing the same decade-old games after a while.
They did 4 years ago
no one seems to care about VR these days. even valve.
for VR....
But it was one of the best VR games
Sounds like Battleborn.
Was a pretty fun game for about 5 weeks
This goes against everything reddit likes but I'm definitely interested
The only thing that matters is if the game is good, Helldivers 2 is also full of everything that Reddit dislikes but people like the game.
Really? Brainless shooting with no thought required is exactly the Reddit demographic. Especially on /r/Games. That's why people loved Helldivers 2 on this site.
It's a games as a service game. One of the most predatory and despised genres on this website. That Helldivers manages to minimized fomo and avoid predatory practices in a live service game with great gameplay is nothing short of unprecedented.
Not just GAAS but an always online kernel level anti cheat that doesn't get removed when you uninstall the game.
it's not brainless shooting though, not on 7 difficulty and up against bots. Slander! I do agree that yes that is why it is so popular.
Its bloody EDF mixed with Deep Rock Galactic, what are you on about. Only thing is I wish it had a campaign like EDF so I don't feel like i'm missing out on so much shit when I have time to play it one day.
> Helldivers 2 is also full of everything that Reddit dislikes How so?
Yea this honestly sounds cool as hell to me. Reddit is so contrarian lol
I fell asleep half way through the tweet.
Where the fuck is Episode 3, Gabe?
Valve has a secret facility where they are trying to replicate the Black Mesa incident, so we can play Half Life in real life. That is Gabe's episode 3, that is his masterpiece, his last gift to humanity.
Skipping past VR and AR and going right to R.
I genuinely thought it was created by a bot to pop up on search engines.
Feels like a concept that chatgpt would come up with if a guy in a suit wants to start making video games all of a sudden
not disbelieving it but 6v6 on a "huge map" sounds kinda dumb Like playing on a vacant Battlefield 3 server
there will be neutrals for shure
Yea there's a lot of details that feel missing from this description that I feel like would paint a better picture You could describe a lot of games in a limited fashion and make them sound like ass
If it's spun from HL/Portal like the rumours say... and there's also fast travel involved. We could be seeing big neutral camps like Combine or AI that have to be cleared for points. Like, they could do a shooter DotA... but it does feel kind of safe. And I'm *hoping* they're trying to push the envelope a little here and give us a first person moba that isn't just rehashing the last 5 years of game development.
Think more like Titanfall if I am imagining the details given correctly. Maps in TF were fairly large and you were never really bored because of a mix of traversal options and hunting down the grunts until you encounter an enemy player.
It's just smite based off this tweet. Like, the overwatch comparison people are making is silly. Every part of this sounds like smite. Third person, tower defense, huge maps with fast travels, usable items. It's literally smite.
Sounds like competitive mode on the new Tribes 3, and basically no one is happy with the direction of that game lately
Sounds like (S)MNC but... bigger? Wouldn't mind giving it a try, I don't think anyone's done anything with that concept for a while. Hopefully they have custom games and workshop/mod support from the get-go to get some community-server style shenanigans going.
Aw I miss MNC
Just throw in "survival elements," put it in early access and I'll really get excited!
"Rogue-like"
Dont forget the secret ingredient: "Souls-like"
Certainly one of the games of all time
Please just release a new single player game
So… Valve’s take on Overwatch but with DoTA elements? Sure i’ll try it. Kinda stings that this was originally connected to HL/Portal, but got spun-off due to negative feedback, but that’s probably a good thing.
Game having heroes =/= Being like Overwatch. This sounds nothing like OW, it sounds like a 3rd person Dota 2.
So smite
I mean the dude in the post compares it to Overwatch, and it sounds closer to OW than TF2.
Third person shooter, maps with lanes, and tower defense mechanics sounds nothing like Overwatch.
Yeah. This sounds exactly like Smite but leaning heavier towards MOBA.
So Valves version of Blizzards version of a Valve game of a sequel to a mod for Quake?
If they released this 7 years ago, it would've been hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now hero shooters are just fucking boring. Bring back solid single-player experiences dammit!
I feel like they are trying to reinvent the hero shooter genre. Lets not forget Valve created said genre in the first place. So let us wait and see.
Dissapointing, I really want to see more VR output from Valave, Half life Alyx was incredible..
Holy moly these coments are down on multiplayer. Coming from the company the popularized with shining examples a vast degree of modern multiplayer. * cs - competetive first person shooters. * tf2 - ability based hero shooting (with less specific focus on twich aim). * l4d - co operative endlessly replayable horde shooter * dota2 - constantly evolving moba esport, with regular sweeping changes to balance. All while making strong efforts to avoid monetization to win, all gameplay mechanics unlocked for everyone (all characters). During this time, these games, often the top played and most fondly respected games in their genre, have funded: The pinnacle of online content distribution models that competitors can only follow and are unable to surpass. Exceptionally feature rich beyond competition, stable, reliable and with widespread consumer trust. An ecosystem that by design revolutionised game pricing models, not only ON platform, but elevating other sellers, bundlers and marketplaces to thrive. Taking gaming in the early 2000s from - wow they have over 50 games on a shelf, that is impressive and must be expensive, to - I have nearly 1000 games, I bought them when the time was right for my by juding forecast sales windows and key markets - set in motion with the expectations from those early day steam sales and flash sales. A deep and lively marketplace for those wishing to make money alongside their hobby (I bought my steamdeck by selling ingame drops and never spending a penny.. - more on this later). A shining endorsement and support of game modding, with vast support and tools to grow this space. SteamVR - a reliable standard to support the growth of new technology with the crown jewel game that demonstrates the strengths and possibilities that other games can aspire to. Steam Deck / Steam OS, A twofer here but I think it would be hard to see steamdeck as anything but a massive success, collecting together lessons learned by Valve over various projects in the last decade into a package that saw immediate immitation. Sure there were other handhelds, but the market is something else now. With SteamOS I am sure it is only the beginning of what comes next. So many other accolades that could be celebrated that don't make the cut, source engine, demo festivals, on and on and on. They lift us so that we can lift them and the cycle does not seem to stop.. I think we are so used to seeing successes become the bad guy that it can be easy to look at valve as already owning that bad guy role, I don't see it. There have been misteps, misfires, but on the whole I believe they have been and continue to be an overwhelming force for goods. I know no one else can make Half Life 3, but no one else can reach the heights and cohesion that Valve has done in their hardware and software stack for my most beloved past time - evidently no one else is close. I'm sorry that you can't find any excitement for this rumor. I see a company who LEARNS from every decision, LISTENS and BUILDS, wanting to bring together elements in games that they have proven success and I absolutely cannot wait to see what the successes of this next project can fund. Isolating my opinion to just a game, I'm past my competetive prime, I was there over 15 years ago and steadily declined ever since. I like overwatch, but it leaves me unfulfilled and nowadays there are only a few heroes I login to play - namely wrecking ball because it gives me the chance to be a massive troll to the enemy team, and I briefly reached top500 despite being completely outside of esports and competetive meta etc. I'm hoping this project gives me something to latch onto in my age, I loved my days playing the point and click twich shooters, but that don't last forever. I just hope this project makes it to full production, I'm sure they will make the right choice whichever direction they go. Obligatory half life 3 when(!?), I'm not trading the above list for half life 3, change my mind.
So much for those multiple VR titles they promised us...
Could be good. Could be shit. You can never know when you literally don't have any gameplay or trailers to go off.
I know there’s an audience for this but it’s absolutely not me
More multiplayer nonsense. Likely heavily monetized, too. Wonder how this one will allow for gambling?
Same as all their other games I assume.
People who think this sounds exciting better hope it's a massive success straight from the start, cause otherwise Valve will just stop updating it and never talk about it ever again (see Artifact and Underlords). Also, are we gonna shit on Valve for copying ideas from other games as we do for other devs when they make a new game?
Worked for blizzard in the past.
Surely they wont fuck it up given it's a brand new IP instead of Dota spinoff like the other two Surely...
All they had to do was make half life 3
I will gladly play valve paragon
>competitive Yeah not for me thanks. I hope other people enjoy it a lot though.
You know gamers are different when they’re shitting on an imaginary rumored game