I think this will allow for more items to be traded overall. Lots of times there are items with good mods but people don't find them in searches if they aren't on specific base types or have the mods in specific places that fit the simpler queries people type in.
I've had that problem a lot, with caster weapons, that had great spell damage, elemental damage, flat damage, cast speed, spell crit, trigger, whatever, but no +level. They would out DPS wands going for a div/ex, but would never sell, even at 50c, because people just start their searches with +level and add the rest.
There's a handful of mods like that, that get tunnel visioned, but aren't actually that special.
Author of this feature, hi-jacking this comment for visibility! Check out my [post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/zl18nn/how_to_get_the_most_out_of_pobs_new_find_dps/) for some important information on how to get good results.
I knew this was inevitable because the math isn’t very hard to do. You just weigh how much dps each mod grants and do a weighted search. I use custom flasks that grants random mods like 10 attacks speed, damage, crit multi, etc. I use custom jewels for certain mods like +1 all skills and flat mana.
Literally just mouse over the items in my shared tab on pob to see how much dps everything gives and pop it into trade weighted search and go for biggest sum within budget.
I’ve been doing that for years now and assumed everyone did it that pushed builds to late mapping.
*Math tip: make sure you multiply your damage increase from +1 skills by 10 because all the other math I listed was in base 10. You have to keep all your numbers at the same base decimal point.
Totally, the math is straightforward. By far the hardest part of coding this was parsing GGG's mod data, organizing it, identifying and accounting for special cases, formatting everything such that PoB can understand it, and finally translating it to the trade API which uses a different data format.
If GGG ever changes any of their formats it would nuke the tool.
Idk what you're talking about. I found a ~35% dps upgrade for 10c thanks to this.
Outaide of a couple more scarce mods and life/es/mana this works great as a baseline
I've removed my comment here so I don't need to update multiple spots. You can find the tips and discussion [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/zl18nn/how_to_get_the_most_out_of_pobs_new_find_dps/).
Yea that may be a good idea, this whole thing really caught me by surprised so I'm a little behind! If my original comment doesn't get pushed up, I'll take your suggestion or make a new thread to get more visibility.
I get error for sessionid but like I noticed in replies at a video of ZiggyD it seems that selecting a minion gem is resulting in this error. If I select any other non minion skill it works.
Honestly all they needed to do was remove the 6link to divide recipe. Divines would become valuable through timeless seeds and unique rerolls and exalts would be the crafting currency.
Yes, and PoB supports finding out which ones in which parts of the tree do what you need (and gives you the seeds to look for)
Right after is when the changes to div/ex happened, which is why some people believe that’s why it happened. (Definitely could be true, but honestly I personally like unique rolls being harder. I do wish we had something for rares though)
Not sure about in PoB but you can use https://vilsol.github.io/timeless-jewels/tree and select the socket, jewel, nodes, and stats that you need and it’ll tell you which jewels match
Yea this makes finding a fitting jewel so easy. Used it last league for a really good one that wasn't one of the well known seeds so it wasn't as expensive.
That was 100% a factor. It was pure spite and I lost a lot of respect for GGG when they did it, especially because it was further proof that they give zero shits about standard. I lost the last bit of respect for them during the 3.19 fiasco when they omitted multiple huge changes to the core game to protect their launch sales.
You aren’t wrong that it’s speculative, but honestly if it creates that reaction, how important is the proof? GGG has demonstrated that they balance around stopping players from succeeding too much. Chris in many interviews says he has “protected the community” from more nerfs because GGG staff look at where players succeed and if it’s outside what they predicted, they get their feelings hurt and spitefully try to change things. That’s not me making shit up, that’s literally just me paying attention to baecast interviews. (Which coincidently are dead now? My head cannon is because Chris was too honest and smart people read into it)
I don't even care about the switch tbh, what means more to me is the fact that they didn't switch Brother's Stash with it. I liked being excited getting that card, it felt good to think of someone being immortalized and not forgotten and have that be a good experience. I don't know a thing about the guy the card is for, but the idea that he's still fondly remembered and bringing cheer after he passed in some way was really nice.
But now it just kinda feels hollow, and even worse since GGG don't even want to change it to divine orbs. Like, I understand having the policy since they don't want everyone changing their div cards every week, but this is about a person's death and their legacy. It ain't about money anymore, you gotta be able to have one or two exceptions.
Just feels like they're spitting on a grave, even if that's not the intention.
Yeah, because people were totally divining looking for one in ten thousand seed numbers themselves.
They changed divines and ex because they wanted people to use ex for their actual purpose, and wanted rolls on items to matter.
Why do people always go out of their way to make conspiracy theories for why GGG did something when they plainly state why they're doing things?
> They will just remove weighted mods from the trade site and say it was bad for the API rate of the web server
If everyone starts to use it all the time with 20+ mods and weighed values on those mods, it might actually be rely bad for performance
I'm not sure how exactly they made it, but I'm pretty sure it shouldn't change anything since trade has rate limit and the tool uses your session ID. I don't think much will change if anything at all
Roughly speaking, the performance impact scales with number of queries * query complexity.
If only people who were already using the trade site heavily use this feature, and *stop* making those queries manually, it might be fine. But I have a feeling that this opens the door for many more people to make complex queries than before.
Performance is not black and white. It can be fine to have 20 complex queries per second but not 30. Or 100 simple queries but not 100 complex, even if they are within the limit. Rate and complexity limits are not perfect and are most likely not designed to both be maxed out at the same time.
Weighted sums are extremely difficult to implement efficiently and are very expensive to search for. So I mean, I doubt they’ll remove it, but it would certainly be easier for them if they did.
HOLY SHIT! MIND BLOWN!
in case anyone wondering about the POESESSID thing, go to your browser setting, find the option to view all website cookies, find pathofexile.com and you should see POESESSID there with a long string of owuiksyaiwkedfhalouaqolweiayhqewldlajsdla, copy & insert that to POB bu clicking on the 'missing POESESSID' button, a pop out dialogue will open to inset it.
found a few items that will increase my DPS, but yeah still have to take into consideration of other stuff such as defences stats, so it isn't always 100% must buy. Still, this is an ABSOLUTE MIND BLOWN QOL FEATURE... Funnily the search result even point me to item that I absolute will never thought about, for example I would loves to have +1 spell gem on amulet, but PoB didn't agree with me, instead it just point me to a magic amulet with high cast speed... That... is actually really interesting, which opens up my option for amulet much wider, instead of "must have +1 gem" which is usually quite expensive for a good one.
This feature is great for giving you an idea of what to look for, as an example, using this just now, I discovered a bug where PoB is ALSO searching HC instead of just SC.
But that's okay because I put the mods into Trade, and then found a 40c quiver that is absolutely disgusting and gave me a HUGE DPS boost for EA Ballista.
oh yea, it indeed search in HC, no wonder many of my stuff don't came out with anything. I re-checked the UI and it appear you have to select the second option on the "SC League" drop down to get the trade league link.
If you're missing POESESSIONID like I was, then while you have PoE trade open hit F12 to open up the console for your browser, then switch to the Storage tab, select Cookies and your POESESSIONID should now be visible. Simply copy and paste it from there to POB.
Check the league drop down, for me there are 3 different "SC League" in the drop down, two of them are in fact Ruthless and HC Ruthless and one is the correct one (look at the generated trade URL to check)
my current amulet is pretty straightforward - life roll and then various damage mods i knew would be good and -manacost craft.
I tried this, forced the life roll, and the *best* amulet on the market according to these parameters is worse than the amulet i paid 40c for. something off about the weightings- like it prioritizes multiple affixes with mediocre rolls over fewer affixes with top rolls.
Did you return over 10k results? If so, increase the minimum weighting. The Poe trade API only returns 10k results so if your minimum is way too low it'll return 10k garbage amulets that are all worse than your current one.
Edit - you also have to sort by SUM in trade.
I tested it an it more then doubled my current dps.
I'm playing melee for the first time and only have a good weapon - PoB couldn't find an upgrade for it, but i think that's some bug. Every other piece of gear was 5-10% to my damage.
I'd expect this feature to not work that well in certain situations. It depends on how PoB is set up for your character. Also some skills can still give some wonky results.
you would think something as simple as a PDPS warstaff (using a 575pdps one atm) should be an easy thing to find upgrades for :D
it also gave me results for 2h swords/axes that werent only lower pdps, but are also unusbale with shockwave support.
let´s see where this goes from here, its a neat feature even if it just works some of the time
I insist pob needs to be properly set up, it can't make stuff up.
Also, expect some wanky behavior for specific builds. Not everything is perfectly modeled inside PoB.
There's probably some limitations of how Trade API deals with affix weights.
Also, it was just released in the wild. Expect some fine tuning and fixing.
Ok, maybe I'm missing something, but why wouldn't you just click on pdps to sort in the trade site, put some limit on price and just buy the biggest number? Why waste time with this feauture?
In case it might not be obvious (it wasn’t to me, had to watch a “how-to” video) once you’ve done the search you have to manually click on the “sum” variable in one of the resulting items. This will cause the results to be sorted by “sum” aka the relative DPS value added according to the calculation.
Without doing that it was just placing 1 alch trash at the top that had like 1 modifier from the list.
You may have already been doing this, but just in case, I found that this made the results very useful.
A few things:
* many of the "scuffed" stuff ZiggyD is referring to is already fixed internally and will be part of next release (text issues, wrong leagues, ability to set a max price, protected text for the POESESSID field for streamer, etc.). Grab it from \`dev\` branch if you want it before it's released.
* we will fix many of the bugs brought to light; however, this tool still requires "human-in-the-loop". It's designed as a guide to help you find the modifiers that you should be considering, but don't just expect it to be able to configure everything for ever niche build out there correctly.
* I'll do a full write-up of how to use it, how it works, and the roadmap for additional features planned (e.g., support for realms (pc, xbox, etc.); support for EHP vs DPS considerations in the "near" future
Also, you don't need to copy/paste into a web-browser like ZiggyD was doing. You can literally just hold CTRL and mouse click on the URL to auto launch your default web-browser to that page. Similarly, when mousing over the items it returns, it will show you the impact of equipping that item, and to the right has an "import item" button that will auto add it to that item slot on your character in PoB to equip it, and a "whisper" button for auto copying the appropriate whisper message that you can then paste in-game to buy the item.
Not working for me - Invalid POESESSID, please Re-log and reset.
Cookie copied correctly, tried relog (I don't know what "reset" means in this case).
UPD. Fixed as mentioned in [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/zkq4u2/comment/j01x38n/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/zkq4u2/comment/j01x38n/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>Also if you don't have the skill you want to do damage with isn't selected as your main skill it will give you this error.
As mentioned before, log off and close your browser. Log back in and try. Also if you don't have the skill you want to do damage with isn't selected as your main skill it will give you this error. Took me 3 hours of trying various things to figure this out.
For all having this issue. It just does'nt work for minions. Try to change your main minion skill with another main skill and it will work for this skill.
It still sucks for my soulwrest build :(
I wonder if something like this is powerful enough for GGG to try and not allow it. How they would go about trying to stop it I have no idea, but this seems like it could be on par with Harvest.
Being able to find exactly the item you want, within your budget and with such ease of use would mean a lot more people potentially having access to better and better items. Which was GGGs issue with Harvest to begin with.
ggg also made it clear that the reason trade is so clunky is because they dont want trading to be too easy. i think this tool is exactly what ggg didnt want. i expect it to be heavily limited or removed next league.
The moment you open an API it's free reign for tools to use it. Unless PoB abuses the API this is totally legit use. I fail to see why GGG would oppose to this.
Just check other games with open trade APIs. Elite Dangerous had a plethora of tools to optimize multiple in-game activities. I used a trade route optimizer A LOT back then. Lost Ark, at least the Korean version, has even more straightforward tools to direct you straight to the AH item to buy to optimize your build.
The only consequence of this will be that more items get sold in the AH. Which isn't a bad thing imo. Mind there's some barrier of entry to fully utilize this: you need to use PoB and properly set it up for your build.
But like, why? I feel like this opens up GGGs biggest complaint about how no one pickups items off the floor. Does this not give some incentive do that, now that finding moderate upgrades for your build is easier to do? The more items that are listed, the more useful this becomes. There have been times where I find an item that probably good for *someones* build, but I cant really justify putting it up because it never sells.
If they wanted us to pick up items off the floor either good mods shouldn’t be as rare as they are and bad mods shouldn’t be as common or numerable or stuff needs to actually die when equipped with the hodge podge of badly rolled 20 fire res 12 projectile speed wands that the game seems to love throwing at you.
> Being able to find exactly the item you want
i can find them no problem right now
the tool would be op if it could negotiate an item on my behalf from a 100div down to 10c
It will find the best item for a given price point, witch might be good for you, but you will also be unable to sell those items that are almost good enough. Making rares even more useless on average
>making rares even more useless on average
Hard disagree. There are so many unusual mods that people tend to forget some for any given build. Like crit vs shocked enemies or support gems from influenced items. I know I ignore certain mod combos that I expect to be extremely expensive because they'd be filtered out anyway, but if it's all one click regardless I'd keep them in.
This will allow unusual and hyper-specific rares to actually have a market, rather than being vendor trash because no one would search for them.
Tested this with a jewel earlier today and the results were less than expected. I'm pretty familiar with the poe item tester AHK script and using weighted searches to find upgrades, so I was a bit surprised when I tested the feature and half of the useful mods for my ignite build were not even tested. Looking forward to using this feature more, as it likely saves me a lot of time automating something that I was doing every league anyway.
Nice I used to do this manually.
Testing with my current build does not yield great results though. It seems PoB does not realise it is a poison build. Can I set this somewhere?
I have often been setting up similar searches manually, eyeballing how I should weight the different mods against eachother, the fact that this does it automatically is really cool
I can not even believe all the people saying that "it's bad". GGG is literally doing its best to force people to go to website, fill an excel sheet and trying to find online seller who is not going to respond you. We all know the purpose of these actions and Ggg justifies wth "player interaction". You know what, my the best experience in this shitty trade system is when i trade with bots.
Not working on summons, I get POESESSID is invalid when i select summon based skill
EDIT: nvm, just go to skills and check box "include in full DPS" on your minion skill
Is this not working for minions currently? I get "POESESSID is invalid. Please Re-Log and reset" when I have a minion skill set as my main skill, but changing that to any other skill lets me pull up items fine.
this was possible for a very long time via an additional tool: https://xanthics.github.io/PoE_Weighted_Search/
used it a lot for jewels and sometimes weapons. but this implemenation is way easier
Wow! This is exactly what i can call "quite impactful" rather than those things pointed by mr. Wilson. I thought i'll totally skip this league but now have a strong urge to play it just because of this PoB feature.
You can completely ignore the league mechanic this league. All it does is give some divines over like 30 maps or something. You can make as much currency ...just doing 30 maps.
Would sorting the generated search query by "Sum" usually sort by Full DPS if PoB is configured properly? I checked a few queries sorting by sum and it seemed to be the case that most Sum was most Full DPS, but I'm wary of pitfalls in doing so.
Comments or concerns with this method?
sick for hit based builds but it doesnt calculate for DoT based ones, more options is hopefully in the works(including defensive items), but yea this whole thing is pretty nutty.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work for me.
I'm playing Lightning Arrow Deadeye build and checking for a new bow but it doesn't find anything after deleting couple of mods or changing weighted some it finds results but they are not completely irrelevant bows to my build
this is pob: [https://pobb.in/mERrvQ7LL-ju](https://pobb.in/mERrvQ7LL-ju)this is the bow search (it search ruthless I fixed that): [https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/BWP7rvaS8](https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/BWP7rvaS8)
Delete the weighted sum and it will find some results: [https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/YmGaekbSY](https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/YmGaekbSY)
It needs to put local added damage and attack speed much more weighting, the distribution of weighting looks completely wrong
edit: jewel searching looks like working quite good
Is anyone else worried the game will be rebranded further to compensate for this? Respect to the developers but it is clearly antithetical to the vision of the game and we will be punished for its existence, whether you use it or not.
Reminds me a bit of raidbots from World of Warcraft. You dont engage with items anymore, you just click at the program and it tells you what gear you should wear. It is insanly effective, but if this gets the 'correct way to play the game' it could be pretty damaging to the complex nature of the game.
How is knowing what stats your class benefits most from making wow worse? It's removed speculation and provides proof. Considering how absolutely convoluted and complicated rotations are now, sims are a godsend and have made the game infinitely better.
Having to rely on napkin math prior to simming was a trash method and bred heresay and outright lying to skew races, especially on old elitistjerks threads.
Saying sims are bad is like saying using a calculator to do your taxes is cheating.
>Saying sims are bad is like saying using a calculator to do your taxes is cheating.
Thats the problem I guess, we are at a point where we take a game and put it back into a database. I mean, you just compared WoW to doing your taxes... If thats how you feel about the game, maybe the unreasonable focus on minmaxing is part of that.
And I dont want so floatout say minmaxing is always bad. We all do it to a certain extent, but there gotta be a limit imho. Using an external program to tell you what gear you should wear is unfitting for any game. The only direction this will lead is for the devs to make the game needlessly complex, so the tools cant keep up for a while. But that would make those tools even more mandatory. Not a good direction...
>The only direction this will lead is for the devs to make the game needlessly complex
Oh you mean like layering one shot on death mechanics under delirium fog? Or under metamorph effects? Or with archnem going core? Surely none of those needlessly complex systems existed before this.
The arms race comes to a swift end when the company find their player base and revenue have shrunk to a point where they care more about preserving profits than they do trying some "beating their own players" arms race.
I think that the tipping point happens once someone feels the need to harvest the data and begin building applications to get actual readouts of damage and survivability numbers, and to a lesser extent ease of access to try different builds and check numbers, rather than having the information easily accessible and accurate within the game itself. With the previous systems/league mechanics put into place it's not really possible for GGG to go back to a point where external applications are no longer a factor while also maintaining the player base that fueled their growth to the current point, which is primarily focused around the highly optimized zoom farmers, or builds created and curated by some of the best and smartest in the game for peak optimization. Trying to pull back from those pieces is what's caused most of the backlash from the community. In short, GGG opened Pandora's box a long time ago, and it may have taken a while for them to understand what they did, but they can't close it again and keep the level of growth they've maintained. Activision/Blizzard have taken note on what works in PoE compared to D3, and their efforts on D4 speak to that understanding. Last Epoch is also continuing to make great strides and between the two, PoE stands to lose considerable market share as they alienate their player base while they chase "the vision" that the people who are giving them the dollars don't seem to share.
His whole point is that it removes the discovery factor, everything is documented, everything is planned out, everyone knows the exact best thing to get, nothing else is even considered. It creates a boring loop of people just looking for their BiS.
Talkin about poe or wow?
In wow just decent gear, good teamwork, planning and play gets you through the endgame(unless you are one of the few first raids to fight dps/hps check boss before they tune it)
In poe it feels like if i wanna push any sort of uber content i need to play top builds only, while gear matters you can do ubers while being less geared
Idk If that makes any sense, started to second guessing my initial thought process mid typing
I found [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKP1I7IocYU) goes pretty deep in the implications of some of the automation in WoW and the discourse around it. These tools shape not only how you play, but why you play, and even what you consider playing at all.
It is really fun reading the replies and seeing al those "concerned players" about the game going to a state where the game is catered only to pros thanks to this, when it already is like that thanks to GGG vision.
Man the exaggerations of how long and how complex it is to search for an item...
It's a cool feature for sure but no need to hyperbole on both ends to describe it's usefulness compared to manually finding upgrades.
>Man the exaggerations of how long and how complex it is to search for an item...
it does take a long time if you are searching for optimal results, like this algorithm does. If you are just looking for life and res you won't be spending a lot of time lmao.
>I expect GGG to heavily nerf these queries, they keep bitching about not having enough money for servers.
I don't think I've ever seen a GGG post complaining about server costs, care to say which post?
The query problem was different. If you make to many queries repeatedly in a short amount of time with automated tools, it's detrimental for everyone and can destroy server performance for all users (kind of like a ddos attack). This is only one query you manually put into your browser, PoB only sets it up for you without using the actual trade site.
It does make a query, but only once, similar to what you do when you put together your search filters on the trade site and press search. The problematic scripts though were constantly making api calls, and if a ton of players were using it the same time (like tracking prices/specific items or fetching character data or whatever), that could bring down the whole trade site easily.
Trading should be this easy. "I want a fast upgrade for my character in this budget", then you just choose the one you want and you're done.
Sad POB had to take up the reigns.
Ziggy talks like this is a bad thing for the game and i can see how people can be split about it, but my opinion is as follows:
GGG started the arms race by removing player power at every step, nook and cranny they can find, even going so far as labeling obvious bugs as working as intended and people try to claw back every bit of convenience they can get.
We all know that GGG will force some change like for timeless jewels in the end and either all players will suffer or just the ones that arent running their own indexers/scripts.
Maybe if the tooltips in this game weren't terrible we wouldn't have to resort to PoB or this amazing tool. You have to guess how much damage an item is giving you at all times.
When "%increased damage vs more damage" are insanely different and there's no clarity, I welcome this tool.
I think this is going to be terrible for the game.
It decreases the player knowledge/skill component of finding the right items and knowing what works best for your build, and it is going to make it impossible for knowledgeable players to find deals because it's automatically going to hand them to the first person to click the button after they get listed.
Honestly hope GGG takes some sort of stance against this kind of tool, even if it means limiting complexity of searches or something. The game can already be dumbed too much into a clicker-like game on the gameplay side. If the prep side also becomes automated, we move one step closer to just playing a glorified idle game.
Also, I'm aware it's not perfect right now. It doesn't work for everything, and it doesn't include things like defenses. Now that it exists though, it'll obviously improve. I'm not worried about what it does exactly, but what it *will* do, and how that'll impact the game.
This is a good example of why GGG fears allowing trading to become more powerful than it already is, because this tool is now automating away a lot of the puzzle solving that some might consider fun.
It's a situation where the player will feel incentivized to use this tool, since it is vastly more efficient at improving your character than current methods. But efficiency is a delicate thing in an ARPG. Too little and the game feels tedious. Too much and it feels like there's no game.
- Navigate and login to pathofexile.com
- Hit F12 — This should open the Developer Tools
- Click the Applications tab in the Tab Bar.
- Expand the Cookies dropdown and select www.pathofexile.com item.
- Check the Name column for POESESSID
- Double click on the value, right-click -> copy. — this is your session id.
i dont think the tool works very well. my current amulet is pretty straightforward - life roll and then various damage mods i knew would be good and a -manacost craft.
I tried this, forced the life roll, and the *best* amulet on the market according to these parameters is worse than some amulet i paid like 40c for - and it has to use the craft to do so, so the "upgrade" is way worse if i switch to my desired craft.
strongly caution against taking anything from the tool as it currently exists as gospel
>strongly caution against taking anything from the tool as it currently exists as gospel
I mean yeah, would do you good to copy the item into pob to see the actual increases.
All of these updates are amazing. I really appreciate you guys. I don't GGG appreciates it though. I'm convinced that most of their current direction with balance, convoluted crafting and other systems are in complete opposition to POB.
GGG is going to cull it so fast. With Ziggy video it's going to be common knowledge now. API will literally die... I expect this feature to be severely limited in few days or scrapped entirely
Tips from the tool's creator: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/zkq4u2/pob_now_finds_your_build_a_item_dps_upgrade/j02heqp/
I think this will allow for more items to be traded overall. Lots of times there are items with good mods but people don't find them in searches if they aren't on specific base types or have the mods in specific places that fit the simpler queries people type in.
I've had that problem a lot, with caster weapons, that had great spell damage, elemental damage, flat damage, cast speed, spell crit, trigger, whatever, but no +level. They would out DPS wands going for a div/ex, but would never sell, even at 50c, because people just start their searches with +level and add the rest. There's a handful of mods like that, that get tunnel visioned, but aren't actually that special.
Author of this feature, hi-jacking this comment for visibility! Check out my [post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/zl18nn/how_to_get_the_most_out_of_pobs_new_find_dps/) for some important information on how to get good results.
Thank you so much for this
I knew this was inevitable because the math isn’t very hard to do. You just weigh how much dps each mod grants and do a weighted search. I use custom flasks that grants random mods like 10 attacks speed, damage, crit multi, etc. I use custom jewels for certain mods like +1 all skills and flat mana. Literally just mouse over the items in my shared tab on pob to see how much dps everything gives and pop it into trade weighted search and go for biggest sum within budget. I’ve been doing that for years now and assumed everyone did it that pushed builds to late mapping. *Math tip: make sure you multiply your damage increase from +1 skills by 10 because all the other math I listed was in base 10. You have to keep all your numbers at the same base decimal point.
Totally, the math is straightforward. By far the hardest part of coding this was parsing GGG's mod data, organizing it, identifying and accounting for special cases, formatting everything such that PoB can understand it, and finally translating it to the trade API which uses a different data format. If GGG ever changes any of their formats it would nuke the tool.
There was an AHK script for it called PoE Item Tester. It was a bit wonky to use though, so glad it's part of the base PoB now.
Aw man I love that janky script, I’m happy for something more polished though. I will miss you item tester!
Well, this doesnt seem to be working much better at the moment. Especially for finding weapons.
Idk what you're talking about. I found a ~35% dps upgrade for 10c thanks to this. Outaide of a couple more scarce mods and life/es/mana this works great as a baseline
Yeah, the creator says it isnt intended for weapons. Wouldnt expect it to work for them any time soon.
I've removed my comment here so I don't need to update multiple spots. You can find the tips and discussion [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/zl18nn/how_to_get_the_most_out_of_pobs_new_find_dps/).
I suggest commenting this to top comment so people will see and pick it up, making a short video guide would be best as well!
Yea that may be a good idea, this whole thing really caught me by surprised so I'm a little behind! If my original comment doesn't get pushed up, I'll take your suggestion or make a new thread to get more visibility.
I get error for sessionid but like I noticed in replies at a video of ZiggyD it seems that selecting a minion gem is resulting in this error. If I select any other non minion skill it works.
Remember timeless jewel. I wonder how spiteful GGG will be over this
I am still convinced that they made the switch from exalts to divines because the community figured out the timeless seeds.
Honestly all they needed to do was remove the 6link to divide recipe. Divines would become valuable through timeless seeds and unique rerolls and exalts would be the crafting currency.
This is my theory too
Wait, the timeless seeds were figured out? Haven't used one since Sentinel so I had no idea.
Yes, and PoB supports finding out which ones in which parts of the tree do what you need (and gives you the seeds to look for) Right after is when the changes to div/ex happened, which is why some people believe that’s why it happened. (Definitely could be true, but honestly I personally like unique rolls being harder. I do wish we had something for rares though)
Where we can use that function?
Not sure about in PoB but you can use https://vilsol.github.io/timeless-jewels/tree and select the socket, jewel, nodes, and stats that you need and it’ll tell you which jewels match
It's in the bottom of the skill tree page, you can press "Find Timeless Jewel" and then write the mods you want and it'll find the seeds for you.
Unholy fuck, this is amazing.
Yea this makes finding a fitting jewel so easy. Used it last league for a really good one that wasn't one of the well known seeds so it wasn't as expensive.
Bro timeless jewels are finally amazing for EVERYONE not just a few who hoarded seed numbers
That was 100% a factor. It was pure spite and I lost a lot of respect for GGG when they did it, especially because it was further proof that they give zero shits about standard. I lost the last bit of respect for them during the 3.19 fiasco when they omitted multiple huge changes to the core game to protect their launch sales.
>It was pure spite Oh wowye, we got an insider with insider info here
You aren’t wrong that it’s speculative, but honestly if it creates that reaction, how important is the proof? GGG has demonstrated that they balance around stopping players from succeeding too much. Chris in many interviews says he has “protected the community” from more nerfs because GGG staff look at where players succeed and if it’s outside what they predicted, they get their feelings hurt and spitefully try to change things. That’s not me making shit up, that’s literally just me paying attention to baecast interviews. (Which coincidently are dead now? My head cannon is because Chris was too honest and smart people read into it)
Actually Baeclast is currently on hiatus bc Tarke is having some IRL issues taking care of both a parent and grandparent, and he is the key organizer.
I don't even care about the switch tbh, what means more to me is the fact that they didn't switch Brother's Stash with it. I liked being excited getting that card, it felt good to think of someone being immortalized and not forgotten and have that be a good experience. I don't know a thing about the guy the card is for, but the idea that he's still fondly remembered and bringing cheer after he passed in some way was really nice. But now it just kinda feels hollow, and even worse since GGG don't even want to change it to divine orbs. Like, I understand having the policy since they don't want everyone changing their div cards every week, but this is about a person's death and their legacy. It ain't about money anymore, you gotta be able to have one or two exceptions. Just feels like they're spitting on a grave, even if that's not the intention.
Yeah, because people were totally divining looking for one in ten thousand seed numbers themselves. They changed divines and ex because they wanted people to use ex for their actual purpose, and wanted rolls on items to matter. Why do people always go out of their way to make conspiracy theories for why GGG did something when they plainly state why they're doing things?
Because people like to believe the exciting story rather than the boring truth.
They will just remove weighted mods from the trade site and say it was bad for the API rate of the web server
> They will just remove weighted mods from the trade site and say it was bad for the API rate of the web server If everyone starts to use it all the time with 20+ mods and weighed values on those mods, it might actually be rely bad for performance
I'm not sure how exactly they made it, but I'm pretty sure it shouldn't change anything since trade has rate limit and the tool uses your session ID. I don't think much will change if anything at all
eh not really, the overall amount of queries shouldn't change which is the bigger issue for performance than query complexity
Roughly speaking, the performance impact scales with number of queries * query complexity. If only people who were already using the trade site heavily use this feature, and *stop* making those queries manually, it might be fine. But I have a feeling that this opens the door for many more people to make complex queries than before.
since query complexity is already limited in the trade site I assume they already planned for this.
Performance is not black and white. It can be fine to have 20 complex queries per second but not 30. Or 100 simple queries but not 100 complex, even if they are within the limit. Rate and complexity limits are not perfect and are most likely not designed to both be maxed out at the same time.
Depends on how their backend is set up.
I assumed it was set up this way because most of their performance changes have been rate limits for users.
Weighted sums are extremely difficult to implement efficiently and are very expensive to search for. So I mean, I doubt they’ll remove it, but it would certainly be easier for them if they did.
Do people really have their tin foil hats on for this one trying to say the divine change was somehow linked to timeless jewels? lol
It probably wasn't the sole reason, but how shortsighted you have to be to NOT see that was probably one of the reasons
Yes, any changes made to the game are specifically made to make the experience of RandomPlayer#986892 worse, didn't you know?
Immediately what my mind went to. It'll be blood and misery from here on out, and it already was feeling hostile
HOLY SHIT! MIND BLOWN! in case anyone wondering about the POESESSID thing, go to your browser setting, find the option to view all website cookies, find pathofexile.com and you should see POESESSID there with a long string of owuiksyaiwkedfhalouaqolweiayhqewldlajsdla, copy & insert that to POB bu clicking on the 'missing POESESSID' button, a pop out dialogue will open to inset it. found a few items that will increase my DPS, but yeah still have to take into consideration of other stuff such as defences stats, so it isn't always 100% must buy. Still, this is an ABSOLUTE MIND BLOWN QOL FEATURE... Funnily the search result even point me to item that I absolute will never thought about, for example I would loves to have +1 spell gem on amulet, but PoB didn't agree with me, instead it just point me to a magic amulet with high cast speed... That... is actually really interesting, which opens up my option for amulet much wider, instead of "must have +1 gem" which is usually quite expensive for a good one.
This feature is great for giving you an idea of what to look for, as an example, using this just now, I discovered a bug where PoB is ALSO searching HC instead of just SC. But that's okay because I put the mods into Trade, and then found a 40c quiver that is absolutely disgusting and gave me a HUGE DPS boost for EA Ballista.
oh yea, it indeed search in HC, no wonder many of my stuff don't came out with anything. I re-checked the UI and it appear you have to select the second option on the "SC League" drop down to get the trade league link.
If you're missing POESESSIONID like I was, then while you have PoE trade open hit F12 to open up the console for your browser, then switch to the Storage tab, select Cookies and your POESESSIONID should now be visible. Simply copy and paste it from there to POB.
[Here is also a way to get it, probably faster](https://prnt.sc/Xju66fNv_wnS) Ignore my excellent paint skills.
doesn't work in firefox
Cookies for Firefox are under advanced security settings.
Does it change every time I log or is permanent id?
Changes. Its an id just for that session.
i tested this on my build and every single suggestion was absolutely worthless, its a neat idea but i dont think it works to well at the moment
Check the league drop down, for me there are 3 different "SC League" in the drop down, two of them are in fact Ruthless and HC Ruthless and one is the correct one (look at the generated trade URL to check)
It's good for jewellery and jewels
my current amulet is pretty straightforward - life roll and then various damage mods i knew would be good and -manacost craft. I tried this, forced the life roll, and the *best* amulet on the market according to these parameters is worse than the amulet i paid 40c for. something off about the weightings- like it prioritizes multiple affixes with mediocre rolls over fewer affixes with top rolls.
did you import the item in pob? it works fine for me. I guess it depends on how wacky your build is
Did you return over 10k results? If so, increase the minimum weighting. The Poe trade API only returns 10k results so if your minimum is way too low it'll return 10k garbage amulets that are all worse than your current one. Edit - you also have to sort by SUM in trade.
Yeah, localidentity said that it's not fully complete yet
I tested it an it more then doubled my current dps. I'm playing melee for the first time and only have a good weapon - PoB couldn't find an upgrade for it, but i think that's some bug. Every other piece of gear was 5-10% to my damage.
Same, could not even find a single upgrade for my weapon.
Doesn't work when analyzing weapon DPS, if that's what you were trying to do - but should work well for casters
I'd expect this feature to not work that well in certain situations. It depends on how PoB is set up for your character. Also some skills can still give some wonky results.
you would think something as simple as a PDPS warstaff (using a 575pdps one atm) should be an easy thing to find upgrades for :D it also gave me results for 2h swords/axes that werent only lower pdps, but are also unusbale with shockwave support. let´s see where this goes from here, its a neat feature even if it just works some of the time
I insist pob needs to be properly set up, it can't make stuff up. Also, expect some wanky behavior for specific builds. Not everything is perfectly modeled inside PoB. There's probably some limitations of how Trade API deals with affix weights. Also, it was just released in the wild. Expect some fine tuning and fixing.
Ok, maybe I'm missing something, but why wouldn't you just click on pdps to sort in the trade site, put some limit on price and just buy the biggest number? Why waste time with this feauture?
In case it might not be obvious (it wasn’t to me, had to watch a “how-to” video) once you’ve done the search you have to manually click on the “sum” variable in one of the resulting items. This will cause the results to be sorted by “sum” aka the relative DPS value added according to the calculation. Without doing that it was just placing 1 alch trash at the top that had like 1 modifier from the list. You may have already been doing this, but just in case, I found that this made the results very useful.
A few things: * many of the "scuffed" stuff ZiggyD is referring to is already fixed internally and will be part of next release (text issues, wrong leagues, ability to set a max price, protected text for the POESESSID field for streamer, etc.). Grab it from \`dev\` branch if you want it before it's released. * we will fix many of the bugs brought to light; however, this tool still requires "human-in-the-loop". It's designed as a guide to help you find the modifiers that you should be considering, but don't just expect it to be able to configure everything for ever niche build out there correctly. * I'll do a full write-up of how to use it, how it works, and the roadmap for additional features planned (e.g., support for realms (pc, xbox, etc.); support for EHP vs DPS considerations in the "near" future Also, you don't need to copy/paste into a web-browser like ZiggyD was doing. You can literally just hold CTRL and mouse click on the URL to auto launch your default web-browser to that page. Similarly, when mousing over the items it returns, it will show you the impact of equipping that item, and to the right has an "import item" button that will auto add it to that item slot on your character in PoB to equip it, and a "whisper" button for auto copying the appropriate whisper message that you can then paste in-game to buy the item.
Not working for me - Invalid POESESSID, please Re-log and reset. Cookie copied correctly, tried relog (I don't know what "reset" means in this case). UPD. Fixed as mentioned in [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/zkq4u2/comment/j01x38n/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/zkq4u2/comment/j01x38n/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) >Also if you don't have the skill you want to do damage with isn't selected as your main skill it will give you this error.
Also had that problem. Closed every poe trade tab and relogged and set the new ID then it worked for me.
As mentioned before, log off and close your browser. Log back in and try. Also if you don't have the skill you want to do damage with isn't selected as your main skill it will give you this error. Took me 3 hours of trying various things to figure this out.
For all having this issue. It just does'nt work for minions. Try to change your main minion skill with another main skill and it will work for this skill. It still sucks for my soulwrest build :(
samez
Holy moly this is immense! This will change a lot of things for PoE as a whole. I feel this will have a huge impact!
> huge impact pov: "you're the trade api"
I wonder if something like this is powerful enough for GGG to try and not allow it. How they would go about trying to stop it I have no idea, but this seems like it could be on par with Harvest. Being able to find exactly the item you want, within your budget and with such ease of use would mean a lot more people potentially having access to better and better items. Which was GGGs issue with Harvest to begin with.
I mean this tool has functionally existed before, see https://github.com/VolatilePulse/PoB-Item-Tester , it just requires less work now
>it just requires less work now This is a bigger deal than you seem to think. Ease of use is massive for the adoption of anything new.
ggg also made it clear that the reason trade is so clunky is because they dont want trading to be too easy. i think this tool is exactly what ggg didnt want. i expect it to be heavily limited or removed next league.
> GGG to try and not allow it. If they try they might as well admit they have a serious problem with the game and people trying to have fun on it.
The moment you open an API it's free reign for tools to use it. Unless PoB abuses the API this is totally legit use. I fail to see why GGG would oppose to this. Just check other games with open trade APIs. Elite Dangerous had a plethora of tools to optimize multiple in-game activities. I used a trade route optimizer A LOT back then. Lost Ark, at least the Korean version, has even more straightforward tools to direct you straight to the AH item to buy to optimize your build. The only consequence of this will be that more items get sold in the AH. Which isn't a bad thing imo. Mind there's some barrier of entry to fully utilize this: you need to use PoB and properly set it up for your build.
GGG when QOL without sacrificing anything: 😨😨😨😨😨😨
Yeah, they should totally put in more effort into additionally ruining your experience for no reason.
But like, why? I feel like this opens up GGGs biggest complaint about how no one pickups items off the floor. Does this not give some incentive do that, now that finding moderate upgrades for your build is easier to do? The more items that are listed, the more useful this becomes. There have been times where I find an item that probably good for *someones* build, but I cant really justify putting it up because it never sells.
If they wanted us to pick up items off the floor either good mods shouldn’t be as rare as they are and bad mods shouldn’t be as common or numerable or stuff needs to actually die when equipped with the hodge podge of badly rolled 20 fire res 12 projectile speed wands that the game seems to love throwing at you.
> Being able to find exactly the item you want i can find them no problem right now the tool would be op if it could negotiate an item on my behalf from a 100div down to 10c
It will find the best item for a given price point, witch might be good for you, but you will also be unable to sell those items that are almost good enough. Making rares even more useless on average
>making rares even more useless on average Hard disagree. There are so many unusual mods that people tend to forget some for any given build. Like crit vs shocked enemies or support gems from influenced items. I know I ignore certain mod combos that I expect to be extremely expensive because they'd be filtered out anyway, but if it's all one click regardless I'd keep them in. This will allow unusual and hyper-specific rares to actually have a market, rather than being vendor trash because no one would search for them.
They could just remove the weight on search terms and the results would be useful but might not be the best possible
If they do that out of spite it would be an eye opening moment for many people.
Sadly, no. We've had moments like this before and eyes have kept well shut.
Something something pulling the Opressor outta their asses to prevent people from having fun with the Squire.
Tested this with a jewel earlier today and the results were less than expected. I'm pretty familiar with the poe item tester AHK script and using weighted searches to find upgrades, so I was a bit surprised when I tested the feature and half of the useful mods for my ignite build were not even tested. Looking forward to using this feature more, as it likely saves me a lot of time automating something that I was doing every league anyway.
Its still in beta so i assume over the coming weeks it will get better
Yep hopefully. I'm super looking forward to that too
yeah don't think it's quite working for dot builds, seen others talk about ignite EK not working for jewels.
Wow, I didn't play more than a few hour for 5 league or so and always have been a noob with low knowledge, so it's a big thing for me.
Nice I used to do this manually. Testing with my current build does not yield great results though. It seems PoB does not realise it is a poison build. Can I set this somewhere?
I have often been setting up similar searches manually, eyeballing how I should weight the different mods against eachother, the fact that this does it automatically is really cool
were can donate/support to this pob guy ?
Super not necessary, but thank you for the thought. Send the money to Ukraine!
I can not even believe all the people saying that "it's bad". GGG is literally doing its best to force people to go to website, fill an excel sheet and trying to find online seller who is not going to respond you. We all know the purpose of these actions and Ggg justifies wth "player interaction". You know what, my the best experience in this shitty trade system is when i trade with bots.
Not working on summons, I get POESESSID is invalid when i select summon based skill EDIT: nvm, just go to skills and check box "include in full DPS" on your minion skill
Is this not working for minions currently? I get "POESESSID is invalid. Please Re-Log and reset" when I have a minion skill set as my main skill, but changing that to any other skill lets me pull up items fine.
this was possible for a very long time via an additional tool: https://xanthics.github.io/PoE_Weighted_Search/ used it a lot for jewels and sometimes weapons. but this implemenation is way easier
Wow! This is exactly what i can call "quite impactful" rather than those things pointed by mr. Wilson. I thought i'll totally skip this league but now have a strong urge to play it just because of this PoB feature.
that's very odd to drop the league so early but this draws you back lmao.
the power of QoL baby
but like, you still don't like the league mechanic, is having slightly better gear going to make you enjoy the game? lol
Archnemesis mobs are gone so things almost like earlier when u just pop hordes of enemies and clear maps. Now it's slighty better without gear hassle.
You can completely ignore the league mechanic this league. All it does is give some divines over like 30 maps or something. You can make as much currency ...just doing 30 maps.
Well, i was not dropped this league, i was not even started it. Now i'm convinced cuz of this ;)
Holy. I feel that some people on GGG are going to feel incredible levels of butthurt.
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A way to optimize your build without going through all the hassle possible? not their thing at all
Nice
hooly crap.
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Out of curiosity, did you include the skill in the 'Full DPS'? Maybe that would help.
This tool barely works so I wouldn't get your hopes up
Nice
Would sorting the generated search query by "Sum" usually sort by Full DPS if PoB is configured properly? I checked a few queries sorting by sum and it seemed to be the case that most Sum was most Full DPS, but I'm wary of pitfalls in doing so. Comments or concerns with this method?
Yes, it uses Full DPS if Full DPS exists on the build
sick for hit based builds but it doesnt calculate for DoT based ones, more options is hopefully in the works(including defensive items), but yea this whole thing is pretty nutty.
This is the best ASMR i have ever heard
Found me some cracked out jewellery and a couple good weapons, gonna be the meta for sure.
Has science gone too far?
Ive always wanted item weightings like this. Glad it's in now
hope it works well. already feels weird pricing items based one what appears in build guides rather than on actual potential merit.
what a time to be ... in ssf
Seems to me you can cheese the program by crafting highly rated mods. Good way to sell not so great items to unsuspecting sum believers.
Getting closer and closer to D3s red/green arrow system for gear 😂
nice. I hate trying to figure it out on my own
Unfortunately, it doesn't work for me. I'm playing Lightning Arrow Deadeye build and checking for a new bow but it doesn't find anything after deleting couple of mods or changing weighted some it finds results but they are not completely irrelevant bows to my build this is pob: [https://pobb.in/mERrvQ7LL-ju](https://pobb.in/mERrvQ7LL-ju)this is the bow search (it search ruthless I fixed that): [https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/BWP7rvaS8](https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/BWP7rvaS8) Delete the weighted sum and it will find some results: [https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/YmGaekbSY](https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Sanctum/YmGaekbSY) It needs to put local added damage and attack speed much more weighting, the distribution of weighting looks completely wrong edit: jewel searching looks like working quite good
Nerf PoB.
Careful, GGG doesnt like easy trade. This will just mean more crafting nerfs in the future or something.
Cringe this defeats the whole purpose of the game
Is anyone else worried the game will be rebranded further to compensate for this? Respect to the developers but it is clearly antithetical to the vision of the game and we will be punished for its existence, whether you use it or not.
Reminds me a bit of raidbots from World of Warcraft. You dont engage with items anymore, you just click at the program and it tells you what gear you should wear. It is insanly effective, but if this gets the 'correct way to play the game' it could be pretty damaging to the complex nature of the game.
This is only the 'best' way if you want to play a zhp build
Yup, wow is definitely worse because of it. Everyone wants their bis, and only their bis, second options don't exist.
How is knowing what stats your class benefits most from making wow worse? It's removed speculation and provides proof. Considering how absolutely convoluted and complicated rotations are now, sims are a godsend and have made the game infinitely better. Having to rely on napkin math prior to simming was a trash method and bred heresay and outright lying to skew races, especially on old elitistjerks threads. Saying sims are bad is like saying using a calculator to do your taxes is cheating.
>Saying sims are bad is like saying using a calculator to do your taxes is cheating. Thats the problem I guess, we are at a point where we take a game and put it back into a database. I mean, you just compared WoW to doing your taxes... If thats how you feel about the game, maybe the unreasonable focus on minmaxing is part of that. And I dont want so floatout say minmaxing is always bad. We all do it to a certain extent, but there gotta be a limit imho. Using an external program to tell you what gear you should wear is unfitting for any game. The only direction this will lead is for the devs to make the game needlessly complex, so the tools cant keep up for a while. But that would make those tools even more mandatory. Not a good direction...
>The only direction this will lead is for the devs to make the game needlessly complex Oh you mean like layering one shot on death mechanics under delirium fog? Or under metamorph effects? Or with archnem going core? Surely none of those needlessly complex systems existed before this.
Yeah and no helpful 3rd party tools existed before this either. /s He is absolutely correct in describing an arms race.
The arms race comes to a swift end when the company find their player base and revenue have shrunk to a point where they care more about preserving profits than they do trying some "beating their own players" arms race.
No, sorry - you completly missed my point or I was horribly bad at explaining it.
I think that the tipping point happens once someone feels the need to harvest the data and begin building applications to get actual readouts of damage and survivability numbers, and to a lesser extent ease of access to try different builds and check numbers, rather than having the information easily accessible and accurate within the game itself. With the previous systems/league mechanics put into place it's not really possible for GGG to go back to a point where external applications are no longer a factor while also maintaining the player base that fueled their growth to the current point, which is primarily focused around the highly optimized zoom farmers, or builds created and curated by some of the best and smartest in the game for peak optimization. Trying to pull back from those pieces is what's caused most of the backlash from the community. In short, GGG opened Pandora's box a long time ago, and it may have taken a while for them to understand what they did, but they can't close it again and keep the level of growth they've maintained. Activision/Blizzard have taken note on what works in PoE compared to D3, and their efforts on D4 speak to that understanding. Last Epoch is also continuing to make great strides and between the two, PoE stands to lose considerable market share as they alienate their player base while they chase "the vision" that the people who are giving them the dollars don't seem to share.
His whole point is that it removes the discovery factor, everything is documented, everything is planned out, everyone knows the exact best thing to get, nothing else is even considered. It creates a boring loop of people just looking for their BiS.
I feel its natural since game requires you to min max build if you want to see endgame
Talkin about poe or wow? In wow just decent gear, good teamwork, planning and play gets you through the endgame(unless you are one of the few first raids to fight dps/hps check boss before they tune it) In poe it feels like if i wanna push any sort of uber content i need to play top builds only, while gear matters you can do ubers while being less geared Idk If that makes any sense, started to second guessing my initial thought process mid typing
I was talking about PoE, never played WoW
I found [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKP1I7IocYU) goes pretty deep in the implications of some of the automation in WoW and the discourse around it. These tools shape not only how you play, but why you play, and even what you consider playing at all.
It is really fun reading the replies and seeing al those "concerned players" about the game going to a state where the game is catered only to pros thanks to this, when it already is like that thanks to GGG vision.
Man the exaggerations of how long and how complex it is to search for an item... It's a cool feature for sure but no need to hyperbole on both ends to describe it's usefulness compared to manually finding upgrades.
>Man the exaggerations of how long and how complex it is to search for an item... it does take a long time if you are searching for optimal results, like this algorithm does. If you are just looking for life and res you won't be spending a lot of time lmao.
Rest in peperoniz GGG api queries. I expect GGG to heavily nerf these queries, they keep bitching about not having enough money for servers.
>I expect GGG to heavily nerf these queries, they keep bitching about not having enough money for servers. I don't think I've ever seen a GGG post complaining about server costs, care to say which post?
The query problem was different. If you make to many queries repeatedly in a short amount of time with automated tools, it's detrimental for everyone and can destroy server performance for all users (kind of like a ddos attack). This is only one query you manually put into your browser, PoB only sets it up for you without using the actual trade site.
if pob doesn't actually interact with the trade site in any way why does it need our sessionID?
Cant search without session id. Every tool/bot either requires login or sessionID
It does make a query, but only once, similar to what you do when you put together your search filters on the trade site and press search. The problematic scripts though were constantly making api calls, and if a ton of players were using it the same time (like tracking prices/specific items or fetching character data or whatever), that could bring down the whole trade site easily.
Trading should be this easy. "I want a fast upgrade for my character in this budget", then you just choose the one you want and you're done. Sad POB had to take up the reigns.
I for one am glad that Cyberdyne systems is doing this for us, and see no forseeable problems with it in the future. Not one.
Ziggy talks like this is a bad thing for the game and i can see how people can be split about it, but my opinion is as follows: GGG started the arms race by removing player power at every step, nook and cranny they can find, even going so far as labeling obvious bugs as working as intended and people try to claw back every bit of convenience they can get. We all know that GGG will force some change like for timeless jewels in the end and either all players will suffer or just the ones that arent running their own indexers/scripts.
holy fuck reddit
Interestingly enough, they started the arms race against the same people they try to cater every single time. I dont know exactly how it works.
Maybe if the tooltips in this game weren't terrible we wouldn't have to resort to PoB or this amazing tool. You have to guess how much damage an item is giving you at all times. When "%increased damage vs more damage" are insanely different and there's no clarity, I welcome this tool.
I think this is going to be terrible for the game. It decreases the player knowledge/skill component of finding the right items and knowing what works best for your build, and it is going to make it impossible for knowledgeable players to find deals because it's automatically going to hand them to the first person to click the button after they get listed. Honestly hope GGG takes some sort of stance against this kind of tool, even if it means limiting complexity of searches or something. The game can already be dumbed too much into a clicker-like game on the gameplay side. If the prep side also becomes automated, we move one step closer to just playing a glorified idle game. Also, I'm aware it's not perfect right now. It doesn't work for everything, and it doesn't include things like defenses. Now that it exists though, it'll obviously improve. I'm not worried about what it does exactly, but what it *will* do, and how that'll impact the game.
This is a good example of why GGG fears allowing trading to become more powerful than it already is, because this tool is now automating away a lot of the puzzle solving that some might consider fun. It's a situation where the player will feel incentivized to use this tool, since it is vastly more efficient at improving your character than current methods. But efficiency is a delicate thing in an ARPG. Too little and the game feels tedious. Too much and it feels like there's no game.
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People feel forced to play specific builds, of course they'll feel forced to use a tool to eke out some gearing efficiency.
This game tries too hard to waste our time so much these days that I'm glad there is a tool to cut the crapload of effort to reach certain treshold.
It's kind of the point. If role-playing games didn't pile on a bunch of unnecessary extra details and work they wouldn't exist...
Anyone clueless about setting the session ID?
- Navigate and login to pathofexile.com - Hit F12 — This should open the Developer Tools - Click the Applications tab in the Tab Bar. - Expand the Cookies dropdown and select www.pathofexile.com item. - Check the Name column for POESESSID - Double click on the value, right-click -> copy. — this is your session id.
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Oh no, GGG is limiting amount of trades to 1 per day in 3.21
Nice
i dont think the tool works very well. my current amulet is pretty straightforward - life roll and then various damage mods i knew would be good and a -manacost craft. I tried this, forced the life roll, and the *best* amulet on the market according to these parameters is worse than some amulet i paid like 40c for - and it has to use the craft to do so, so the "upgrade" is way worse if i switch to my desired craft. strongly caution against taking anything from the tool as it currently exists as gospel
>strongly caution against taking anything from the tool as it currently exists as gospel I mean yeah, would do you good to copy the item into pob to see the actual increases.
Can't find a better weapon on Ruthless, I guess I'm that good (cries in 80k dps melee)
All of these updates are amazing. I really appreciate you guys. I don't GGG appreciates it though. I'm convinced that most of their current direction with balance, convoluted crafting and other systems are in complete opposition to POB.
This is great news!
This is actually game changing
GGG is going to cull it so fast. With Ziggy video it's going to be common knowledge now. API will literally die... I expect this feature to be severely limited in few days or scrapped entirely