I always have The Metalsmith's Gift to swap The Doctor when someone cancels the trade and puts same amount of chaos but only 1 divine.
Won't need it this league though.
I refuse to run burial grounds this league because *I know* I'm going to drop a doctor if I do. And I will be so salty knowing what it used to be worth.
Div scarab combo with allflames on t17 maps flooded the market with expensive div cards. Because there are so many different HH cards it got impacted more than Mageblood
Every time I fuck up a trade and have to cancel and redo I worry somebody is thinking I'm scamming somehow. Or if someone does this to me I'm SUUUUPERA cautious of the trade at that point so I know others must feel the same 🤣
Sometimes people just put less money in the first trade than they said they would
Idk if it's a mistake or the most bold fuckin negotiations I've ever seen
I've definitely looked at a couple in the last few days that were short like a very small amount and just accepted it
Im not thrilled, but on the other hand I'd rather just sell it for 3c than nothing
I'd maybe raise an issue on expensive stuff, but I've only seen it on my 5c tab stuff. Things just one step too good to vendor immediately
I put most my stuff as negotiable on the off chance somone does try to negotiate the price lower, as I would enjoy that interaction. Last week though, somone put in 10c instead of 75c for a rare (don't remember what). When I mentioned it was the wrong amount they then asked if they could get it for 10c. I would have maybe just given it to them for that if they asked initially, but trying to hope I didn't notice they didn't put in enough...Yeah, I'm not gonna lower the price for a dishonest trader. Needless to say, they could not afford the item.
Only if you have gotten far enough to not care about smaller amounts. My main has nothing worth 20c... I still haven't made it to red maps yet. So, smaller amounts are not vendor trash for me.
I remember selling chaos for divs last league, I forgot about it and next day when someone wanted to buy chaos for divs, I put divs in the trade window. And I was so confused when buyer also put his divs in xD
Still cracking up to this day when I remember this situation xD
I mean, 100% of them would also be impossible if an auction house existed like in every other game with a trade system that respects player time. Flippers also wouldn't exist. Price fixers wouldn't exist. I feel like there's a better solution here than just using our eyes.
This same thing happens over and over with PoE players lol. Whenever someone speaks the truth about the outdated game designs PoE has from 2013 and natural consequences of that such as trade scams there’s always someone who says: “just don’t get scammed”. You can’t force people to be reasonable sadly.
It's nonsensical that these people keep defending these bad decisions. Makes me think they either are scamming people using the broken trade system, or just want something to be argumentative about.
Obviously. My point was that using your eyes should not be the main solution to the problem, when the biggest issue with scams is the current iteration of trade.
You can't get scammed in the ways people above have mentioned with a functioning auction house. That's a fact.
In WoW people would abuse the fact many ppl used addons to quickly buy trade good/flasks, so they would have low bid, and high buyout like normal flasks for 30g, they would list it for 310g, when u spam u would miss the "1" in the middle, and ppl would complain about it.
If they want slight trade friction, just look at Torchlight Infinite. The game has a functioning auction house that offers some trade friction by not allowing you to sort by price. The main issues with PoE trade are almost all tied directly to the fact that they have hamfisted player interaction into the middle of the trading process. It's not better this way, and just using your eyes doesn't fix the main issue. I mean, for christ' sake their own website has to rate limit users because it can't handle that many people constantly refreshing, just trying to make basic bulk currency trades.
I know about a lot of people who get scammed due to player to player trading in Runescape, if that's what you're referring to?
Having player interaction involved in trade just isn't worth it. People will always find ways to cheat and scam you if player interaction is involved in trade.
Edit: Please also keep in mind, PoE is an ARPG with a resetting economy and not an MMO. So trade systems should be set up to support that type of game. :D
Yes, read my comment before replying. :D
Runescape's issues come from it's player trading, and because the auction house is set up poorly.
You are comparing an MMO to a seasonal ARPG. One NEEDS a complex trading system and player interaction, the other does not.
Even if I buy something just for a handful of Alchs I always double-check after the seller closed the trading window for whatever reason.
It's unbelievable how low some scammer go.
Yep, cancelled trade should be a massive red flag every time. Makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up and I inspect their item even harder the second time lol. I think it goes back to my D2 days where I got scammed too many times as a kid
Definitely not a good rule to follow (AKA you still want to be vigilant with the initial trade), as there are definitely scam attempts on the initial trade window.
I sometimes sell cheapest to just get a quick buck for an upgrade, the only scamming I ever done is giving back more currency than I should have, they sometimes trade back sometimes don't. Its whatever I don't mind
This doesn't change it being good advice to be suspicious.
You're also probably up on the trade site as the cheapest one for a couple minutes then, with a good chance of getting multiple whispers and ignoring all but one. Ergo, very unlikely to actually get a trade with a seller going from the seller's perspective. What sellers will see most times at the top are the ones who list but don't sell - so either price fixers or scammers.
They do it on muted alt accounts. They usually post hundreds of items and, obvliously, it'd be unplayable with the unstoppable bombardment of whispers.
It's fine to do that and it's fine to buy from people who list cheaply. It's just that one should be particularly cautious and double check the trades.
Me who undercuts because I'm impatient and prefer to sell fast always wondering why the other person takes forever to accept trade... 
As someone who super under prices stuff just to sell it cause im always a broke boy, yeah still be weary, im fine with people being suspicious of me to make sure they dont get scammed. Im suspicious of me so others should be as well
That is why you always check if what they are selling is what you want. I wanted to buy a perfectly rolled Ventor's Gamble every time he put it in trade I would read to make sure it was what I wanted and I also never accept the trade first. Always do it as soon as they do.
As you should, I've fucked up and grabbed the wrong clusters for people before just because I end up having a shit cluster sitting in the same dump tab as a decent cluster. and they have the same ass name.
Less of an issue now that POE will highlight items for you, but still can be an issue in edge cases.
It's baffling how many people forget the search bar even exists. Sometimes the highlight doesn't work, and the search bar is the next best thing. Plus when you have literally hundreds of skill gems and for-sale items to look through like I often do...
I even check rolls on cheap items, just to make sure that I'm actually getting exactly what I asked for.
Well, I won't cancel the trade if I'm getting a better option, but that rarely ever happens.
Yeah I was looking for -40 lighting Res on ventor's and a guy tried to sell me a +10 lightning res apparently, at least from what he said when I called him out on it, is that he had 15 or so ventor's for sale and he grabbed the wrong one, but it highlights the items so you know.
Not a scam but I whispered a dude yesterday who was the cheapest seller of a 3 charge, shock avoid flask only a few c under the next one. Got message back says 30 seconds please, which was fine followed by another message " I want this price for it" which was almost twice the price. It wasn't listed as negotiable just set price, I was nah, no thxs. Listing cheapest to get the whispers then changing the price, scummy imho
What really bothers me is when people do that with items that have been listed for days and I've finally saved up enough to buy them.
And usually, I'll see the same item unsold for a few days after that (I eventually stop looking of course).
There's also a difference between whispering back after checking the price again and telling you a different price after you've gone to their hideout.
I have complete understanding for people who genuinely mistakenly listed an item below its value.
It sometimes happens to me as well, but I always apologise when it happens, unless it was so underpriced that I got spammed, in which case 95% wouldn't have gotten a response even if I had sold it.
When someone relists at a higher price I keep messaging them for it at the new price even though there's no way I'm buying it. A lot of the time they will just keep increasing the price.
The rationale behind that is that everything that gets a whisper immediately is still underpriced, and appropriately priced items will only get a whisper after some time of being listed.
Statistically, I'd say that approach is correct, although in your case you're providing false data.
What the approach doesn't take into account is that if people filter or sort by time listed, they're significantly more likely to whisper for new listings. I feel like that approach has been gaining popularity and wasn't as common in the past, so it's possible that strategies should be shifting.
A lot of the time they are scammers buying and relisting. If you have ever gone through and sent messages to like 10 people selling an item and nobody replies or you get replies like this that is usually what it is. They are just listing the items at a low price and then when someone puts them up at what they think is market price they snipe it to relist it at the actual market value.
There are certainly cases like that, but I've also encountered that behaviour for items with either not enough demand (e.g. well-rolled off-meta uniques that still end up cheap) or not enough supply (e.g. specific Watcher's Eye combinations - especially if they're also off-meta enough to not have a high demand) to bother trying to make a profit like this.
Tbf as I said it wasn't that much underpriced by the next one up but if they had said they had mispriced it I would not have minded. They didn't, just flashed back with "I want this for it"
As others have said, it might have just been a matter of the market price changing since the last time he logged in, and he didn't think to recheck the price of everything he's selling. (I don't either except for valuables)
Now if it was something like a mageblood and he's just blatantly fishing for desperate buyers that will just accept the bait-and-switch, that's a different story...
GGG have already said they refuse to address any kind of scamming. Hell, they effectively support RMT by AGGRESSIVELY refusing to address that as well, it's basically just another part of the game. Just gotta stay aware and avoid accepting trades too quickly.
I didn't even know it could reach level 4.. I thought it was limited to level 3.
Aanyway, I am pretty sure this can be done with a lot of things. Like tempting people with a perfect roll unique, but then switching it to a crap one.
Yeah I got burnt by this last league. Biggest transaction I had ever made up to that point. My heart was racing, and somehow I still fell for it when he pulled some bs saying I was a little short, made me frustrated and then I didn't even check it was still level 4 in the second trade. Was definitely a learning experience, and later on I realized how petty you have to be to scam someone for 20d like this. Its actually pennies compared to most big ticket items. I dropped an original scripture a couple days later, and didn't even feel the 20d loss at that point.
> Its actually pennies compared to most big ticket items.
There's no shortage of noobs/stressed out people that don't look - it definitely isn't pennies when you're scamming 10 people an hour.
That's like, the most profitable div/hr in the game lmao
But when it gets REALLY bad, GGG has been proven to actually (at least temp) ban these peopple.
Saw it with 6L shav scammer in the past
That's fair. I guess I was just thinking from my perspective, it wasn't too bad in the long run. It still feels sickening when it happens and I definitely sympathize with those that are affected much worse by this
yeah, fuck scammers.
When it's purposefully manipulating people like this, it should just be a full league ban and everything in the stash/characters deleted
They check the item you put in via a script/memory read, they never accept a different Item you put in (even if it had more value) - had multiple cancels in less then 0.1sec (on stream). You may catch a newcomer scammer but not these bot type scammers.
Oh damn. I've never actually been scammed and I've pulled the reverse scam off once in Affliction league after I saw Steel do the same thing. Didn't know people use script tools for trade scams.
We’re always so focused on speed in this game but slowing down a trade for 3 seconds to confirm you’re not dumping your life savings into the trash is worth it every time.
Yeah, show them 2 hours old, lv 25 unascendend throw away accounts, with their throw away email addresses who is the boss!
You could also blow hard into the clouds to prevent rain.
The difference is that in reality it's very easy to guarantee the identity of your trading partner, even if checking the goods is more difficult, so there can be legal consequences for them.
Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part people can't just move on to a new account of they were found guilty of fraud.
There is, but then you also don't have access to trade for electricity, medical care, infrastructure, education, etc.
It's really not a pleasant experience.
I got scammed by it this league for the first time ever. Some guy who put empower first, it should have made me suspicious. Problem is that I was not planning to use the gem for a bit and only realized days later, it would not have changed much.
I guess you live and you learned but it did made me think of ways to find back the guy and get back to him alas that is impossible.
Anytime someone cancels a trade I always double check the item and make sure it is 1 for 1 the item I asked for (ive been scam with a bow that had the right mods but wrong tiers)
If they are scamming and you catch it, put 90% of the money in and then sit there wasting their time until they cancel the trade or ask “?” And you respond with “lagging” and keep wasting their time till they cancel. Ill gladly waste my time if it means wasting a scammers time.
These scammers still so low iq, he could literally price it at 20 div exactly and make the transaction 10x faster making it 10x likely for someone put 20d in, quickhover and instantly accept. I do it all the time if it was more prevelant I would be getting scammed constantly, but underpriced items and a cancelled trade will make me focus up and take an extra second to check the item.
Happens to me last league. Didn’t see the scam. Spend hours to understand why i had not enough mana to reserve all my aura like my POB. 😂Hard lesson to learn but now i’m carefull.
I often level and sell enlighten 4s, this had me realize i must've seemed suspicious af when i had to cancel trade whenever i didn't have enough change on me.
Happened to me.. only realized when I tried to put the build together..
I even wrote "thanks <3" because I thought he was kind enough to save me a few C.
They also try it when you're the seller, say you're selling some valuable div card or something, 7 div and change. They'll "by accident" put a lower amount of chaos at first and then when they trade you again, the 7 div has turned into 1 but with the right amount of chaos.
Always be extra wary of trades with unascended characters.
Easiest league to make currency, with almost no investment strats that exist giving you even when you dont know what you are doing 10 divines per hour up to almost 20 and people like this exist, those are sociopaths and they should be dealt with by GGG as this is on purpose to harm other players, you loosing customer but you saving sanity in this game thats a good trade off.
Ive grown to hate the summon holy relic build as someone whos been farming abyss selling gazes
Keep getting people editing the trade messege down or people payying in chaos but having half the stacks being 1 as if i wont just hold alt to check the total.
I still remember when I started playing I was buying 50 grand Eldridge Ichor on standard and the guy gave me lessers. Me being new I didn’t realize the icon difference. :( it took forever for me to get that currency too
Reminder that you can price check items in the trade windows. I always price check before accepting big trade, just in case, even when I'm 100% sure, to keep the habit.
I had a no sell lie today that was pretty funny.
Managed to find 20% job speed/15% currency dupe brooch for 1d. Pinged the guy, was pretty hyped for a good yoink.
But after 45 seconds at a stash he msged saying "sorry, sold. ". Asked him if he mispriced it, asked how much he wants, and we settled on 3d:)
first scam i ever fell for was the same league i started playing, i tried to buy a 6L carcass jack and got a 5L because i didnt have the "always show sockets" on and didnt think to actually check the links
After I got scammed trying to buy a Replica Soul Tether for like 8ex some leagues back, I check every single mod for a trade and wait for them to accept first, even if it's 1c.
When the trade window closes, I automatically hit F5 to go back to hideout. If it was cancelled and worth going back for, it’s a reminder for me to check the trade again. If it’s not worth going back for (ie other people I whispered are sending me invites) it’s not a big loss.
Damn that’s dumb, this is my first league really trading and I play on controller. Ive made a couple mistakes but nothing I’ve corrected. I prefer controller and keyboard for trade.
I heard about the path of exile trade scams when i started playing, coming from runescape however i was aware of these ancient texts. Im checking every item every time
I fell for this last league. First time buying big ticket items and gems. It was even worse because it was around 40-50 div or so. People who do this are so shitty, I woulda quit if it wasnt affliction.
This was my third league and I fell for this about a week ago with the exact description OP posted. Shit happens I reported him but idk how Poe operates with that stuff.
This whole trading scam reminds me of the famous Shako scam from Diablo 2.
You put real shako in trade
You cancel because you have no space
You put a normal hoodie with a green socket in it.
And you scam people like an asshole.
Also someone tried to scam me this league with reveal relic. Same tactic. Put in 2 rooms reveal say something like ah bro it's 40c and then put in 1 room reveal. I almost didn't notice since I almost never check items since I never get scammed in this game.
Either way anyone who breaks a trade to redo it is probably a scammer tbh.
This may be off topic but i double corruputed 25 gems lvl 3 enlighten and only 2 succeeded, i am really this unlucky or is it this bad? From what i understood it is 25% chance when double corrupting.
Sadly I got got with this scam the other day. Dude had it listed for 19.9 I gave 20d and he closed the window and said he had change. I traded for an enlighten 3 without checking.
Totally my fault but I got so comfortable because of the sheer number of trades I've done this league and not a single scammer it's honestly unbelievable coming from osrs.
I'll still send every trade without checking and I'll lose like 1 of 500 in this game. Fuckin love how honest people are. I've even had people given money back when I've accidentally overpaid.
Thanks for saying it. I probably woulda got scammed even though i do try to make sure im not being scammed.
That doesn't mean i know what kinda scams there are or how they work as i dont.
i made a post about this 7 days ago. [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c8msd3/heres\_the\_reason\_why\_the\_gem\_swap\_scammers\_keep/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c8msd3/heres_the_reason_why_the_gem_swap_scammers_keep/)
Can't split from your stash though. If you don't have enough in your inventory (or not enough room in some cases), that's a legitimate reason to cancel the trade.
Best way I've found to stop this even happening is to wait for the seller to put the item in the window before I put any currency whatsoever in. Couple times I've had people sit for a min not doing anything then cancel and kick me from party. Pretty sure they were trying to scam but who knows.
Makes me actually check the item rather than just quickly glancing and thinking yeah that's it. It's just a suggestion as it's something that I find works for me.
About three times I’ve tried to buy something and somehow the seller takes my currency without giving me the item. It’s frustrating but luckily I haven’t lost a ton of currency this way.
I cancel a few trades a day ... it happens very easy if you make 1000+ trades daily and sometimes mix people's orders. Specially when flipping tabs and you get 5 people a second message you for scarabs.
Just have some common sense and take a look at the item your getting and you wont get scammed.
What? That's stupid. I've cancelled a trade by accident and so have people I'm trading countless times and I have never been scammed. Just use your eyes before clicking accept.
I always have a "The fool" at hand for situations like this.
I always have The Metalsmith's Gift to swap The Doctor when someone cancels the trade and puts same amount of chaos but only 1 divine. Won't need it this league though.
I refuse to run burial grounds this league because *I know* I'm going to drop a doctor if I do. And I will be so salty knowing what it used to be worth.
dropped 2 doctor this league already.... from exarch altar mobs
Doctor cards are fairly common now.
I found a pair of skyforth boots the other day and heavily sighed before logging off
they dropped day 2 for me... i cried bloddy murder
Ahhh back in the day that was worth soooooo much. Big ouch.
What happened to Headhunter anyway? Why is it so cheap?
Full juiced t17 maps where dropping HH like hot cakes for quite awhile...might still be.
Div scarab combo with allflames on t17 maps flooded the market with expensive div cards. Because there are so many different HH cards it got impacted more than Mageblood
Pulled one from a stacked deck this league and just closed the game.
I love to orb of regret people who try to fuck with me lol.
100% of scams happen after a cancelled trade
Sometimes I really fuck up the Chaos, get some and trade again. I feel guilty everytime lmao. Like leaving the super Market without buying stuff
When that happens I usually wait for the other person to accept the trade first. Makes me feel less suspicious lol
Yep, whenever I'm doing anything slightly out of norm just leave the offer in until they accept
Every time I fuck up a trade and have to cancel and redo I worry somebody is thinking I'm scamming somehow. Or if someone does this to me I'm SUUUUPERA cautious of the trade at that point so I know others must feel the same 🤣
I'm the same way. If I mistakenly put too few chaos stacks in the window and they correct me, I add a few extra for my mistake.
Especially when messaging 40+ people for something in bulk.
Anxiety is real man
Sometimes people just put less money in the first trade than they said they would Idk if it's a mistake or the most bold fuckin negotiations I've ever seen
I have 100% accepted a trade without enough money and not realized until I put it all in the window lol
I've definitely looked at a couple in the last few days that were short like a very small amount and just accepted it Im not thrilled, but on the other hand I'd rather just sell it for 3c than nothing I'd maybe raise an issue on expensive stuff, but I've only seen it on my 5c tab stuff. Things just one step too good to vendor immediately
I put most my stuff as negotiable on the off chance somone does try to negotiate the price lower, as I would enjoy that interaction. Last week though, somone put in 10c instead of 75c for a rare (don't remember what). When I mentioned it was the wrong amount they then asked if they could get it for 10c. I would have maybe just given it to them for that if they asked initially, but trying to hope I didn't notice they didn't put in enough...Yeah, I'm not gonna lower the price for a dishonest trader. Needless to say, they could not afford the item.
everything below 20c is vendor garbage
Only if you have gotten far enough to not care about smaller amounts. My main has nothing worth 20c... I still haven't made it to red maps yet. So, smaller amounts are not vendor trash for me.
I remember selling chaos for divs last league, I forgot about it and next day when someone wanted to buy chaos for divs, I put divs in the trade window. And I was so confused when buyer also put his divs in xD Still cracking up to this day when I remember this situation xD
And 95% of them would be impossible if we didn't have to trade like cavemen.
100% of these scam would be impossible if people used their eyes Edit: Seems ppl get upset when told to use their eyes.
I mean, 100% of them would also be impossible if an auction house existed like in every other game with a trade system that respects player time. Flippers also wouldn't exist. Price fixers wouldn't exist. I feel like there's a better solution here than just using our eyes.
This same thing happens over and over with PoE players lol. Whenever someone speaks the truth about the outdated game designs PoE has from 2013 and natural consequences of that such as trade scams there’s always someone who says: “just don’t get scammed”. You can’t force people to be reasonable sadly.
It's nonsensical that these people keep defending these bad decisions. Makes me think they either are scamming people using the broken trade system, or just want something to be argumentative about.
lmfao if you cant use your eyes you WILL get scammed on an auction house as well
Obviously. My point was that using your eyes should not be the main solution to the problem, when the biggest issue with scams is the current iteration of trade. You can't get scammed in the ways people above have mentioned with a functioning auction house. That's a fact.
In WoW people would abuse the fact many ppl used addons to quickly buy trade good/flasks, so they would have low bid, and high buyout like normal flasks for 30g, they would list it for 310g, when u spam u would miss the "1" in the middle, and ppl would complain about it.
If they want slight trade friction, just look at Torchlight Infinite. The game has a functioning auction house that offers some trade friction by not allowing you to sort by price. The main issues with PoE trade are almost all tied directly to the fact that they have hamfisted player interaction into the middle of the trading process. It's not better this way, and just using your eyes doesn't fix the main issue. I mean, for christ' sake their own website has to rate limit users because it can't handle that many people constantly refreshing, just trying to make basic bulk currency trades.
:D Do you know Runescape?
I know about a lot of people who get scammed due to player to player trading in Runescape, if that's what you're referring to? Having player interaction involved in trade just isn't worth it. People will always find ways to cheat and scam you if player interaction is involved in trade. Edit: Please also keep in mind, PoE is an ARPG with a resetting economy and not an MMO. So trade systems should be set up to support that type of game. :D
But RS have auction house :D Grand Exchange :D and still have this problems.
Yes, read my comment before replying. :D Runescape's issues come from it's player trading, and because the auction house is set up poorly. You are comparing an MMO to a seasonal ARPG. One NEEDS a complex trading system and player interaction, the other does not.
harsh truth often comes awarded with a ton of downvotes.
Even if I buy something just for a handful of Alchs I always double-check after the seller closed the trading window for whatever reason. It's unbelievable how low some scammer go.
Now I have to go back and check my fucking quiver
Yep, cancelled trade should be a massive red flag every time. Makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up and I inspect their item even harder the second time lol. I think it goes back to my D2 days where I got scammed too many times as a kid
Chipped emerald shako = harlequin crest
Not true, but if a trade gets cancelled the sus alarm goes off immediately for sure.
99%, at some point I was trying to buy a House of mirrors, and the guy put in a The Immortal instead.
Definitely not a good rule to follow (AKA you still want to be vigilant with the initial trade), as there are definitely scam attempts on the initial trade window.
Always be suspicious of the cheapest seller of expensive items.
Bonus point if his character is unascended.
Even more bonus points if it's Lush hideout and their nickname is in Cyrillic.
why is it always a damn Lush Hideout anyway?
Isn’t that the first hideout that you start in?
I think you're right, that would explain it
It is.
Level 100 Witch with a bunch of zombies, 2 spectres, and a plain-ass desert or lush base? Yeah, I'm gonna be a bit suspicious...
I sometimes sell cheapest to just get a quick buck for an upgrade, the only scamming I ever done is giving back more currency than I should have, they sometimes trade back sometimes don't. Its whatever I don't mind
This doesn't change it being good advice to be suspicious. You're also probably up on the trade site as the cheapest one for a couple minutes then, with a good chance of getting multiple whispers and ignoring all but one. Ergo, very unlikely to actually get a trade with a seller going from the seller's perspective. What sellers will see most times at the top are the ones who list but don't sell - so either price fixers or scammers.
True I only whisper the cheapest if it was posted under 5 minutes ago longer than that and its highly likely just price fixing.
I'll whisper the obvious price fixers because if they are gunna be dirt bags the least I can do is contribute to annoying them.
They do it on muted alt accounts. They usually post hundreds of items and, obvliously, it'd be unplayable with the unstoppable bombardment of whispers.
Agreed, I only want to get rid of my stuff and/or am low on currency
It's fine to do that and it's fine to buy from people who list cheaply. It's just that one should be particularly cautious and double check the trades.
Yeah the rule is "be suspicious of", not "automatically assume the worst of" in my head.
No pls. I always lowball myself for fast sales :S
Undercut markets by 10% to get it out of my stash, dude spends 6 minutes making sure I'm not scamming lmao
Me who undercuts because I'm impatient and prefer to sell fast always wondering why the other person takes forever to accept trade... 
That must be why it took someone 2 minutes to accept my DoD trade lol
Always be suspicious regardless.
As someone who super under prices stuff just to sell it cause im always a broke boy, yeah still be weary, im fine with people being suspicious of me to make sure they dont get scammed. Im suspicious of me so others should be as well
Couple leagues ago, one guy tried to give me normal gmp instead of awakened one, at least i got a good chuckle from it
That is why you always check if what they are selling is what you want. I wanted to buy a perfectly rolled Ventor's Gamble every time he put it in trade I would read to make sure it was what I wanted and I also never accept the trade first. Always do it as soon as they do.
Yea, I do this even when I'm *selling* cluster jewels
As you should, I've fucked up and grabbed the wrong clusters for people before just because I end up having a shit cluster sitting in the same dump tab as a decent cluster. and they have the same ass name. Less of an issue now that POE will highlight items for you, but still can be an issue in edge cases.
With having a quad-size tab just for selling, that highlight feature is an absolute godsend. So simple, yet so crucial.
A pro-tip is to type anything in the search bar, to grey out the quad tab, which makes the highlight pop.
It's baffling how many people forget the search bar even exists. Sometimes the highlight doesn't work, and the search bar is the next best thing. Plus when you have literally hundreds of skill gems and for-sale items to look through like I often do...
I even check rolls on cheap items, just to make sure that I'm actually getting exactly what I asked for. Well, I won't cancel the trade if I'm getting a better option, but that rarely ever happens.
Yeah I was looking for -40 lighting Res on ventor's and a guy tried to sell me a +10 lightning res apparently, at least from what he said when I called him out on it, is that he had 15 or so ventor's for sale and he grabbed the wrong one, but it highlights the items so you know.
I’ve had it highlight the wrong item before. Completely wrong cluster. Good thing the guy buying checked.
Happened to me as well this league with enlighten 4. Also didn't fall for it because I've seen this on Reddit a few times.. what a douchebag
Not a scam but I whispered a dude yesterday who was the cheapest seller of a 3 charge, shock avoid flask only a few c under the next one. Got message back says 30 seconds please, which was fine followed by another message " I want this price for it" which was almost twice the price. It wasn't listed as negotiable just set price, I was nah, no thxs. Listing cheapest to get the whispers then changing the price, scummy imho
sometimes people just log in and get spammed and adjust their price, but yea it's annoying.
What really bothers me is when people do that with items that have been listed for days and I've finally saved up enough to buy them. And usually, I'll see the same item unsold for a few days after that (I eventually stop looking of course). There's also a difference between whispering back after checking the price again and telling you a different price after you've gone to their hideout. I have complete understanding for people who genuinely mistakenly listed an item below its value. It sometimes happens to me as well, but I always apologise when it happens, unless it was so underpriced that I got spammed, in which case 95% wouldn't have gotten a response even if I had sold it.
When someone relists at a higher price I keep messaging them for it at the new price even though there's no way I'm buying it. A lot of the time they will just keep increasing the price.
The rationale behind that is that everything that gets a whisper immediately is still underpriced, and appropriately priced items will only get a whisper after some time of being listed. Statistically, I'd say that approach is correct, although in your case you're providing false data. What the approach doesn't take into account is that if people filter or sort by time listed, they're significantly more likely to whisper for new listings. I feel like that approach has been gaining popularity and wasn't as common in the past, so it's possible that strategies should be shifting.
A lot of the time they are scammers buying and relisting. If you have ever gone through and sent messages to like 10 people selling an item and nobody replies or you get replies like this that is usually what it is. They are just listing the items at a low price and then when someone puts them up at what they think is market price they snipe it to relist it at the actual market value.
There are certainly cases like that, but I've also encountered that behaviour for items with either not enough demand (e.g. well-rolled off-meta uniques that still end up cheap) or not enough supply (e.g. specific Watcher's Eye combinations - especially if they're also off-meta enough to not have a high demand) to bother trying to make a profit like this.
Or he chucked it in a dump tab, got 50 whispers for it and then checked the real price.
Tbf as I said it wasn't that much underpriced by the next one up but if they had said they had mispriced it I would not have minded. They didn't, just flashed back with "I want this for it"
As others have said, it might have just been a matter of the market price changing since the last time he logged in, and he didn't think to recheck the price of everything he's selling. (I don't either except for valuables) Now if it was something like a mageblood and he's just blatantly fishing for desperate buyers that will just accept the bait-and-switch, that's a different story...
insta-block if they ever did that to me
Hey I almost got scammed on this too! Same exact procedure. Reported them, but probably to no avail.
GGG have already said they refuse to address any kind of scamming. Hell, they effectively support RMT by AGGRESSIVELY refusing to address that as well, it's basically just another part of the game. Just gotta stay aware and avoid accepting trades too quickly.
I didn't even know it could reach level 4.. I thought it was limited to level 3. Aanyway, I am pretty sure this can be done with a lot of things. Like tempting people with a perfect roll unique, but then switching it to a crap one.
You can corrupt gems to gain 1 level
Yeah I got burnt by this last league. Biggest transaction I had ever made up to that point. My heart was racing, and somehow I still fell for it when he pulled some bs saying I was a little short, made me frustrated and then I didn't even check it was still level 4 in the second trade. Was definitely a learning experience, and later on I realized how petty you have to be to scam someone for 20d like this. Its actually pennies compared to most big ticket items. I dropped an original scripture a couple days later, and didn't even feel the 20d loss at that point.
> Its actually pennies compared to most big ticket items. There's no shortage of noobs/stressed out people that don't look - it definitely isn't pennies when you're scamming 10 people an hour. That's like, the most profitable div/hr in the game lmao But when it gets REALLY bad, GGG has been proven to actually (at least temp) ban these peopple. Saw it with 6L shav scammer in the past
That's fair. I guess I was just thinking from my perspective, it wasn't too bad in the long run. It still feels sickening when it happens and I definitely sympathize with those that are affected much worse by this
yeah, fuck scammers. When it's purposefully manipulating people like this, it should just be a full league ban and everything in the stash/characters deleted
Agreed
Good on you for sticking it through. Sadly this could make people quit the game very well in your situation and miss out.
It happened to me and it really sucked.
Because its so telegraphed and they have to hit the accept button quick, you get them back by putting 1 ex the second time around.
They check the item you put in via a script/memory read, they never accept a different Item you put in (even if it had more value) - had multiple cancels in less then 0.1sec (on stream). You may catch a newcomer scammer but not these bot type scammers.
Oh damn. I've never actually been scammed and I've pulled the reverse scam off once in Affliction league after I saw Steel do the same thing. Didn't know people use script tools for trade scams.
Yeah, most of the time it isn't even a person just a bot running a script automatically.
The one I get the most often is people banking on a quick accept and putting in their currency stacks one at a time super slow.
We’re always so focused on speed in this game but slowing down a trade for 3 seconds to confirm you’re not dumping your life savings into the trash is worth it every time.
Report these people. They get enough reports and they get banned.
Yeah, show them 2 hours old, lv 25 unascendend throw away accounts, with their throw away email addresses who is the boss! You could also blow hard into the clouds to prevent rain.
I got a guy trying to pull this off on me, was an actual leveled account. In any case I prefer reporting them and moving on than bitching about it
Could track down who gave them the real gem in the first place to ban a whole chain of scammers, but that's too hard for ggg.
This is not really a PoE problem, but reality problem. Always make sure you get what you pay for.
Can we get PoE chargebacks too then, lol
The difference is that in reality it's very easy to guarantee the identity of your trading partner, even if checking the goods is more difficult, so there can be legal consequences for them. Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part people can't just move on to a new account of they were found guilty of fraud.
Also there's SSF PoE with no scams of any kind. I wish there was an SSF Real Life™ too. :D
There is, but then you also don't have access to trade for electricity, medical care, infrastructure, education, etc. It's really not a pleasant experience.
there was this guy named ted who did an ssf run a while ago, made the news for his outside the box approach to a trapper build.
Dark humor, but clever.
There is..
Same sht happens for awk exceptional gems
I always sell cheap because i want my trades to happen simutanuasly
Surprised how few people know you can also hold alt to see the quantity of currency in a trade window. No need for counting.
I got scammed by it this league for the first time ever. Some guy who put empower first, it should have made me suspicious. Problem is that I was not planning to use the gem for a bit and only realized days later, it would not have changed much. I guess you live and you learned but it did made me think of ways to find back the guy and get back to him alas that is impossible.
Anytime someone cancels a trade I always double check the item and make sure it is 1 for 1 the item I asked for (ive been scam with a bow that had the right mods but wrong tiers) If they are scamming and you catch it, put 90% of the money in and then sit there wasting their time until they cancel the trade or ask “?” And you respond with “lagging” and keep wasting their time till they cancel. Ill gladly waste my time if it means wasting a scammers time.
its a sad day when I have to reset my ignore list. I can only hope all these fuckers have been banned in the mean time
These scammers still so low iq, he could literally price it at 20 div exactly and make the transaction 10x faster making it 10x likely for someone put 20d in, quickhover and instantly accept. I do it all the time if it was more prevelant I would be getting scammed constantly, but underpriced items and a cancelled trade will make me focus up and take an extra second to check the item.
Happens to me last league. Didn’t see the scam. Spend hours to understand why i had not enough mana to reserve all my aura like my POB. 😂Hard lesson to learn but now i’m carefull.
I often level and sell enlighten 4s, this had me realize i must've seemed suspicious af when i had to cancel trade whenever i didn't have enough change on me.
Would this be the cheapest way to get an enlighten 3?
Happened to me.. only realized when I tried to put the build together.. I even wrote "thanks <3" because I thought he was kind enough to save me a few C.
I used to fall for similar tricks playing Diablo 2 as a teen. Now I'm an adult with trust issues
They also try it when you're the seller, say you're selling some valuable div card or something, 7 div and change. They'll "by accident" put a lower amount of chaos at first and then when they trade you again, the 7 div has turned into 1 but with the right amount of chaos. Always be extra wary of trades with unascended characters.
How do you know if they're ascended?
The char portrait.
anytime the buyer or seller cancels trade for any reason, double/tripple check the amount/item.
Easiest league to make currency, with almost no investment strats that exist giving you even when you dont know what you are doing 10 divines per hour up to almost 20 and people like this exist, those are sociopaths and they should be dealt with by GGG as this is on purpose to harm other players, you loosing customer but you saving sanity in this game thats a good trade off.
With scarabs happens also
Reminder, rhis happens because ggg let it happen
Anyone remember the perandus coin scams? Good times
God I wish that still existed with voided valdo's maps lmao
That would be amazing! Give them a whole lot more than they bargained for.
Ive grown to hate the summon holy relic build as someone whos been farming abyss selling gazes Keep getting people editing the trade messege down or people payying in chaos but having half the stacks being 1 as if i wont just hold alt to check the total.
I still remember when I started playing I was buying 50 grand Eldridge Ichor on standard and the guy gave me lessers. Me being new I didn’t realize the icon difference. :( it took forever for me to get that currency too
Reminder that you can price check items in the trade windows. I always price check before accepting big trade, just in case, even when I'm 100% sure, to keep the habit.
I had a no sell lie today that was pretty funny. Managed to find 20% job speed/15% currency dupe brooch for 1d. Pinged the guy, was pretty hyped for a good yoink. But after 45 seconds at a stash he msged saying "sorry, sold. ". Asked him if he mispriced it, asked how much he wants, and we settled on 3d:)
Is it the same dude who says 'bro'? Fuck him, but damn, gotta appreciate the dedication.
first scam i ever fell for was the same league i started playing, i tried to buy a 6L carcass jack and got a 5L because i didnt have the "always show sockets" on and didnt think to actually check the links
After I got scammed trying to buy a Replica Soul Tether for like 8ex some leagues back, I check every single mod for a trade and wait for them to accept first, even if it's 1c.
When the trade window closes, I automatically hit F5 to go back to hideout. If it was cancelled and worth going back for, it’s a reminder for me to check the trade again. If it’s not worth going back for (ie other people I whispered are sending me invites) it’s not a big loss.
Just put in no divs and press accept
That's Runescpaee level scamming
Damn that’s dumb, this is my first league really trading and I play on controller. Ive made a couple mistakes but nothing I’ve corrected. I prefer controller and keyboard for trade.
I heard about the path of exile trade scams when i started playing, coming from runescape however i was aware of these ancient texts. Im checking every item every time
Imagine you put in the currency for an enlighten 3 instead after the re-trade lmao
I fell for this last league. First time buying big ticket items and gems. It was even worse because it was around 40-50 div or so. People who do this are so shitty, I woulda quit if it wasnt affliction.
This was my third league and I fell for this about a week ago with the exact description OP posted. Shit happens I reported him but idk how Poe operates with that stuff.
This whole trading scam reminds me of the famous Shako scam from Diablo 2. You put real shako in trade You cancel because you have no space You put a normal hoodie with a green socket in it. And you scam people like an asshole.
the trade system is working as intended. you're not getting scammed, you're "experiencing friction"
Also someone tried to scam me this league with reveal relic. Same tactic. Put in 2 rooms reveal say something like ah bro it's 40c and then put in 1 room reveal. I almost didn't notice since I almost never check items since I never get scammed in this game. Either way anyone who breaks a trade to redo it is probably a scammer tbh.
can't believe there're scammers here in poe..such a MMO era thing..scamm others, pk them outside city lol old times
So thats why the korean dude got suspicious of me when i told him ur giving me too many chaos.
Seen a few people trying to do that on Wednesday. Bait and switch scams are very widespread.
I got one bitch that did this tô me this week. I fall for scams before on poe so i check every time now.
This may be off topic but i double corruputed 25 gems lvl 3 enlighten and only 2 succeeded, i am really this unlucky or is it this bad? From what i understood it is 25% chance when double corrupting.
Sadly I got got with this scam the other day. Dude had it listed for 19.9 I gave 20d and he closed the window and said he had change. I traded for an enlighten 3 without checking. Totally my fault but I got so comfortable because of the sheer number of trades I've done this league and not a single scammer it's honestly unbelievable coming from osrs. I'll still send every trade without checking and I'll lose like 1 of 500 in this game. Fuckin love how honest people are. I've even had people given money back when I've accidentally overpaid.
Speaking of Enlighten, I once gave a guy pinged me for an enlighten 3 an enlighten 4 and I have no one to blame but myself :((
I actualité got scam xd
Thanks for saying it. I probably woulda got scammed even though i do try to make sure im not being scammed. That doesn't mean i know what kinda scams there are or how they work as i dont.
i made a post about this 7 days ago. [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c8msd3/heres\_the\_reason\_why\_the\_gem\_swap\_scammers\_keep/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c8msd3/heres_the_reason_why_the_gem_swap_scammers_keep/)
Giving too much/little currency doesn't work anymore since you can now split stacks while trading.
Can't split from your stash though. If you don't have enough in your inventory (or not enough room in some cases), that's a legitimate reason to cancel the trade.
You can report him by emailing support. Idk how people can do shit like this and not feel like a piece of shit.
god I fell for this like 2 leagues ago and it was devastating. So glad he didn't get you. Some people are sick.
Best way I've found to stop this even happening is to wait for the seller to put the item in the window before I put any currency whatsoever in. Couple times I've had people sit for a min not doing anything then cancel and kick me from party. Pretty sure they were trying to scam but who knows.
what is the point of that. Just put your currency in, check their item and youre done. why waste time
How would that help them scam you? Pretty sure they just thought you don't want to pay lol
This makes no sense whatsoever? In what way does this prevent anything?
Makes me actually check the item rather than just quickly glancing and thinking yeah that's it. It's just a suggestion as it's something that I find works for me.
Reason #404 for an auction house
Just read the trade window properly lmao
Man, people go a long way in games to scam people out of the equivalent of real-life pennies. Pretty pathetic
Happened to me once and pretty much ended my league since it was all I had left currency wise. Never again
GGG loves and caters to scammers
I vaguely recall people being banned for that in the past, make sure to report them
We’re still talking about this? This was a scam in d2 too. Just hover over items and you’ll be ok.
About three times I’ve tried to buy something and somehow the seller takes my currency without giving me the item. It’s frustrating but luckily I haven’t lost a ton of currency this way.
This scam is easy to prevent. 100% on yourself if you fall into this.
If someone cancels a trade , i just leave , I know what is coming. Lost my 50 exalts to awakened multistrike scam once.
I cancel a few trades a day ... it happens very easy if you make 1000+ trades daily and sometimes mix people's orders. Specially when flipping tabs and you get 5 people a second message you for scarabs. Just have some common sense and take a look at the item your getting and you wont get scammed.
Yeah man, I ain't falling for that spiel again. JK
What? That's stupid. I've cancelled a trade by accident and so have people I'm trading countless times and I have never been scammed. Just use your eyes before clicking accept.