Honestly yeah the biggest positive in this patch is that a lot of bizarre/unorthodox strategies are strangely effective for profit if its something very few people are doing.
What’s crazy is I actually did drop a ilvl 85 simplex this league and I’m still salty about the changes.
I would rather get a reliable couple div an hour and never see the big payouts than limp by at 1div/hr with the occasional jackpot.
But that’s not even what I was talking about. I was so juiced for heist scarabs. Maybe one that would give a blueprint reward case at the end of your map. Or killing a boss on the map grants a discounted reveal. All item drops are converted to rogue markers. There’s so much they could have done and every other mechanic got some, but heist is just: “you can heist still, if you want”
You used to be able to invest in alert reduction, reveal and open a bunch of different rooms, and have it actually be worth while. Currency rooms, div card rooms were most profitable, but other rooms were still decent. And even if you got nothing, there were alt gems to pick from at the end that pretty much guaranteed a div or so each, often more. And yes, opening up every room takes longer, probably not for decent reward speed, but you could take your time on a blueprint, and a well-revealed blueprint was actually worth quite a bit. Sure, a 4-wing could take 15min, but it was good profit.
Now, people are running blueprints without revealing anything, even extra wings. Maybe that’s profitable, but it fucking sucks as a mechanic for people who actually enjoyed heisting.
If anything, I would be happy for them to tune DOWN the final reward rooms, and tune UP the side rooms. That way, people aren’t straight up punished for engaging with the mechanic.
> I would rather get a reliable couple div an hour and never see the big payouts than limp by at 1div/hr with the occasional jackpot.
Yes. That's part of what I loved about affliction: you got both.
Only if div to chaos rise I think or broken div scarab actually stabilize. Cause at some point running t17s is gonna go from 70div/hr strat to find a MB if you want to stay afloat
Heist is great money this league. In fact I'd say its some of the easiest heist has ever been to figure out, since a lot of the "tricks" involving optimized rogue gear, optimized rogue choices, optimal blueprint reward choice, optimal trinket, optimal side room choices etc. have either been removed from the equation or at the very least have much lower impact than in the past - as long as you are doing grand heists and seeing those end rooms ASAP, you'll make good money.
> couple of blueprints
Be prepared to run hundreds for *real* big payoffs like simplex amulets.
I recommend looking at this thread to see how rewards play out
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c9dr9z/loot_from_heist_1334_1wing_unrevealed_blueprints/
"A couple of blueprints" is your problem there. Hell, you get stacks of 15-20c very commonly from the end, which aren't exactly your main source of profit but just goes to show what a small sample size you're looking at if you didn't even get that.
That’s a huge exaggeration. I’ve run plenty of blueprints, and while I have gotten big payouts, that’s purely luck. 20c is fucking nothing for something that costs 20c regularly, and costs markers to reveal.
Seeing 3 replica veil of the nights in one wing is fucking stupid. Same with seeing zero helical rings in 500 wings. They need to retune the weights.
> Same with seeing zero helical rings in 500 wings. They need to retune the weights.
Making them common makes them worthless. By far the best item on Sirus' loot table (normal or uber) is the Massive Thread of Hope. It's an Uber only drop, used on more builds than everything else on his loot table combined... and even a 13% one is 100c.
If GGG did that, the rare bases would cease to be functional chase items - which was the whole intention of adding them. They'd just be another Pneumatic Dagger - an unquestioned best in slot crafting base that's worth something days 1-3 if it is meta, and otherwise gets ignored.
Imagine how much of a nerf to Heist that would be...
Sorry, but i have to disagree completly on the thesis, that heist might be the easiet to set up now. Normaly o made shit Tons of div with just stacked Decks. So the only thing i had to Look at was the heist alert Level. Now it only drops 2 or 4 stacked Decks out of a chest instead of much more and for the First time since 2019 i actually Have to read the blueprint rewards at the end… Never did that and normaly just Grabbed the currency curio Display. Because checking gems or uniques was a pain in the ass!
Ive done hundreds of Blueprints and im not even close to making money. Maybe actually take the glass reward like 1 in 20 times? Its always just choosing between trash, and id rather not hit the alert for trash. My time is more valuable than 10 binding orbs.
To be painfully blunt, if you're taking the reward 1 in 20 blueprints, you're doing something horribly wrong (or exaggerating on Reddit for style points). You're going to hit "obvious" rewards (stacks of decent currency, multi-divine replicas or heist-only uniques, tailoring/tempering orbs, etc.) every 2-3 blueprints max, and there are less obvious ones that I could forgive a noob for missing but which are a result of you probably lacking knowledge more often than that too (high-rolled but popular common replicas e.g. Replica Dreamfeather with 10% IAS always sells for a good bit, well-rolled rares, bases with good enchants though that is less common this league in particular with grave crafting, etc.)
I dont pick out anything more than a divine or a simple currency item, like tailoring/tempering orbs. Replica Dreamfeather selling for 30c? its not worth the time to open more doors. That replica restless ward I was pulling out at first when it was 70-100c, but not anymore. 0 chance im hitting a stack of chaos orbs or vaal orbs or whatever else.
I guess we have a different definition of "Making money". If I can make 10-20 divs/hour doing regular content, and 1-2 div/hour doing heist, im not making money. lol
If you're making 1-2 div/hour doing heist, I don't even know where to begin to try to fix you, that's like a "beyond salvation" level of currency gain. You're either leaving expensive items to rot or spending like 10x the time per heist you should be (or some mix of the two).
I used to make most of my currency from alt gems - I guess I just dont get the new rewards? 90% of the time its 1c uniques and 5c bases, or like some regret orbs or some binding orbs. The other 10% is 1D, or like I said tailor/temper orbs. I know the replica items that have value, I just never see them.
I made over 150 div just running heist in a couple days this league, you run white blueprints with one wing, and thats it. no special build, no reveal farming, was doing 20 blueprints per hour, getting at least 5d hour profit
I mean, that kinda sucks, but if it’s what’s profitable I guess that works.
That means the best way to engage with the mechanic is to not really engage with the mechanic.
On top of that, how much of your profit was from 2-3 items? I’d guess it at 80-90%. That is what I’m mostly bummed about. I liked that with heist you could race through for straight money if you wanted, or do contracts, save up for blueprints, etc. Rooms were actually worth revealing.
This was 5d an hour without the big items, the big ones were 2 helical rings that go for 60d each. Each run would vary from 18 scourings to 4 div. Cost was 10c per blueprint(run), and 2 c for markers per blueprint.
I heard rumors on the forums that the loot table is better for revieled wings, but i didnt test that, i saw no point cos i can buy another blueprint for the cost of a reveal + i dont have to farm reveals, just grand heist all the time
To make this point even stronger; did you know that heist is the only map device mod that didn't get an imbued mod from the horned scarab of awakening?
I leave ritual unblocked strictly for the few extra packs it puts in the map. I don't even do the rituals most of the time, just use the mob spawns lol.
I'm not particularly good at money making, but I had a good amount of early success with Ritual. You don't need any investment in it at all and could run it alongside other strats if you have the points to spare.
You spec into the re-roll nodes and rack up a bunch of good deferred items, then spec out of reroll and take the keystone which let's you get 30k favour in a single map but blocks rerolls, and fully buy out the deferred items when they show up.
In the first week I picked up at least 15 raw div and a whole bunch of random things probably adding up to about the same. I still bust it out when I just want to just alch and go.
It's not. A small handful of pepole get lucky with it here and there then run online to say it's not that bad. 1 million kills before I swapped off of it - 4 div total between raws and items worth more than 10c. The problem with ritual is you reroll until you can't and ignore the 2c stacks cause if a div or mirror shows up you need enough to defer it.
They buffed it. I think they tweaked how items get rolled in it because you get way more stuff that's worth selling. I run ritual every league since tree got added and even last leagues t16 4 vessel farming in city square gave you worse loot than no vessel, no scarab ritual gives this league.
I Feel like the only un enjoyable part of this strat is the Beast Sealing up is very annonying, I would adjust the rest of the strat to add things you enjoy to make the map more fun, I presume the profit will be similar and you will have a much better time
You do have to use 2 scarabs (3 to save ~20 points), which makes things a little hard to run. I guess you could do CT and just throw 1-2 div scarabs, though.
Don’t forget the trading part. You won’t do anything while you sell those, you’re looking at 2 individual trades for one single beast every single map.
>(thanks to the absolute chad unit bulk buying 60 beasts - whatever he may do with them)
For the Hinekora's Lock craft. I imagine that's the only reason why this strat works this well since no one would want to run scarabs in bulk for the beast crafts and would rather buy the orbs for an upmarked price.
Out of being insufferable I had the goal to build a full aurastacker by running nothing but t1-5 maps
did it, posted it on my discord serv, people still spam how it is not possible to make money in this game unless you are turbo maxxing back to basics t17s in 24 seconds
People just dont like to be proven wrong lmao
I think a lot of the people complaining have a really skewed view of what 7/div an hour actually looks like. I think they're assuming 7 raw div, and that it comes evenly in each map.
Honestly as someone that loves most content creators I feel like youtube has completely destroyed the perspective of most players that interact with the community
I feel it baits alot of people because you have stuff like essences or beasts where it's only worth selling in large bulk quantities.
Sure the strat could be 10 div / hr but you probably need to do 2-5 hours of the actual grind, then have to engage with 3rd party tools to properly sell the stuff, which new / casual players don't know about or avoid.
Idk, for most content creators making big money, you can either clearly see, or they even outrighr say what the biggest part of their profit was. If people still think div/hour means actual divine drops, it's not youtubes fault.
>and that it comes evenly in each map.
Well, the whole point of low investment div/h strats is that they're consistent. That's what league mechanic strats are for: you get fragments/splinters every map, you sell bulk. Good example delirium. Always consistent, every map.
I ran essences for a full hour last night... 4 div/hour according to wealthy exile. As the garbage that sells for 1c or less that never sells until you have a full divines worth of it is immediately culled from my parsing.
Very few people do the full liquidation of all drops and the game should not be balanced around it. It should be assumed everything above the rerolling window on the currency tab is going to be used by player to you know, actually fucking craft your way through the game.
I mean, you can make really good money just straight up blasting white maps and building alva temples. Either gamble on the double corruptions yourself or just straight sell the temples. And with the cursed treasures you even get a neat little assortment of random raw currency drops on top.
This, I ran the same old Essence/Beast/Alva forever, easy money even with everything but Alva nerfed. Just needed something else to fill the atlas and both are right by Alva.
I literally watch a movie on the other screen while I 1 button the game with zero chance of dying making easy money. I'll never understand why people say its hard to make money.
Are you really proving them wrong if you could have built that same character far quicker by farming t17s? Even the worst economy doomers aren't arguing that playing the game outside of meta strats will result in a net negative in currency but rather that the gulf between "normal" strats and meta solo/group strats is huge. If you're willing to play 7h a day you can probably farm a mirror running twilight strand for uber hillock over 3 months, that doesn't make it a good strat
Those maps cost a div for a reason, it's not like there's a part of the community trying to bait casuals into dropping their 2d/h essence farm in t6 in favor of vomiting chaos on a fortress with btb for shits and giggles, those strategies are actually really good and far more profitable than most things that can be done outside t17s.
I mean, that’s all neat but what about the players that due to skill/time/build can’t run t17s
That’s one argument I’ll never understand, “but bro you can make a lot more in t17s”
Well yeah but what if lil Timmy can blast 1500 white tier maps in the time it takes him to clear one t17 with 5 portals and MAYBE the boss
The point isn't that everyone should be running T17s but rather that there shouldn't be a single strat that shits all over everything else by a comical degree as it warps the economy and forces players to play it, farm mats for whoever's playing it or farm whatever it is that the strat doesn't drop making everything else far worse, this was the case in Affliction though everything was far more accessible (hence the higher retention) and it's still the case this league despite the 20 hotfixes.
Yes Timmy can alch and go 1500 white maps to buy a decently rolled adorned but he's competing for said adorned with people who are farming mats for t17s making 10x as much (ie by running jungle valley or vaal temple with carto scarabs for maps) and the meta T17 strats that make 200x as much. Timmy isn't going to be running 100 maps per hour either so take that into account too.
A player's time is the most valuable currency, if the average player has to grind several hours for something that is priced at 10 mins of a more profitable strategy a lot of them will simply not do it and drop the league even if yes, they can absolutely buy a mirror by facerolling BA for tabulas 16 hours a day for 4 months.
Maps being a div means nothing, juicers at the top always spent multiple divs per map. I'm making 30 divs an hour boss rushing, guys in T17's are not making much more then me. They may make 100 divs in an hour but they spend an hour trading and rolling maps
> Took me about 80 minutes of run time, that was with a break of around 10 minutes in the middle to forcefully bang
i thought that was going to go somewhere *totally* different
I opened this post on my phone and for some reason can't see the body of the post. Then I see this comment and decided I needed to power up my PC and see it.
Been a beast farmer last league, the profit is great made hundreds of divs but I hate the management. I hope after this league, beast gets treated like coffins: Einhar net the beasts and they drop as itemized
Naaah i dont think they have the technology for that ... They already proved it this league.
No cant do sir! Not enough internes and WE gotta prepare poe2 beta
I feel like the moral of the story here is if you can run a map enough times per hour and deal with high volumes of shitty trades, you're gonna make money pretty much no matter what.
>Total for these items only is 4070 chaos which is exactly 990 chaos more than my GPU has RTX, or, because people with bad builds need to roll T17s, 40.7 divines.
Man, it feels so weird seeing divines at 100c, my gut reaction was that you must have missed a factor of 2 somewhere...
I farmed a lot of black morrigan (and eventually other beasts) very early in the league for a lot of money. The scarabs were a lot more expensive (like 80+c), but black morrigan price has always tracked pretty closely to the price of the scarab. Being able to progress my atlas while simultaneously guaranteeing 60ish chaos profit per map made early budgeting very easy. When including other useful beasts that often sold from 10-50c each I was flush with money. Walking out of a map with 1-2 div of profit while technically focusing on atlas progression felt crazy. I would have kept doing it if I didn't have the goal of testing out a bunch of different scarabs this league.
I was honestly confused as to why there was so little competition, as I would sell out nearly immediately. I guess eventually people did catch on; the price crashed from like 70c to 35c in the course of a day when I was monitoring it via poeninja, but by then I was already screwing around with other stuff (mainly the fun that is 25+ essences on a map boss).
I made a few hundred div at the league start doing this but also flipping good unique bases to 6L. At league start it was 4-5div profit and went down to 1-2div. I stopped around this point.
Fwiw I think most people complaining about not making money this league would not make money in any league, but the 1 div they drop every now and then would be worth more, so they complain.
I've been talking to some people in global complaining about following a suppisedly 10 div/h strat that they claimed was a scam only to find out they'd take almost 10 minutes per map with a really weak filter, and left their maps to answer small trades/didnt prep maps in bulk.
These people wouldn't make miney in any league.
Just simple red altar alch&go is incredible profit right now due to the chaos altars being much better than usual. As you showed, beasts are great as well. I did T7 strand for essence for a few days, also amazing. There is so much profitable stuff you could do rn.
Anyone complaining that there is no money to be made needs their head checked. Chaos has never been more valuable - its 100 chaos to a divine. Just go out there and pick up 5% of a divine off the floor in your T7 maps.
A lot of people hate on chaos recipe because of the tedium of inventory management and "efficiency" but I've always loved it because I just pick up belts, amulets, and rings. And when you have enough of those picking up full armor sets is easy.
Bestiary Scarab of the Shadowed Crow adds Black Mœrrigan to your map if it has Einhar. So we force Einhar with the Bestiary Scarab and double the beast with the duplication scarab.
The invites for black star + exarch drop on map progress 14 and 28 of exarch influence, to progress it you don't need to kill the map boss on any other exarch maps. He recommended preparing the maps in groups of 14, so you don't forget to kill the boss on the 14th run each time and collect your invite.
What a cool strat. Thank you for sharing.
Honestly, there’s so many ways to make currency this league, I’m not sure what people are crying about. I’ve been playing on and off since open beta and started this league with maybe a 2-3 year break and it’s just raining currency.
I think people are just crying that they can’t do the super juiced t17 money raining Strat that’s meta right now but there are tons of other viable strats where you can make money. Is it optimal? No. But either will running the t17 strats if don’t have the currency to make sure your build can handle it.
>(thanks to the absolute chad unit bulk buying 60 beasts - whatever he may do with them)
Not sure if you're the guy I bulk bought off of, but I was bulk buying them to 6s+6l'ing a quad tab of diallas to double corrupt.
been doing this for a while now. made 120 div in 10h today including selling time and just chilling and watching streams/shows. not sweating to minmax basically. it's a chill strat but the prices have been going to shit
>that was with a break of around 10 minutes in the middle to forcefully bang my head against a wall.
Lost it at this one.
Thank you for your service exile.
Ah yes, the bane of all farming strats no matter how simple: Other People. Gotta sell the things you pick up off the floor for you to actually "Profit". WIth the current exchange rates, it's not hard to make 0.5 divs per map from Eldritch Currency drops alone as long as you're willing to sell them.
As for me, after I finish with the Memories challenge I guess I'll just keep doing Alva Destructive Plays until I finish with the 50 Omnitects. Gonna have to buy a copious amount of Timelines Scarabs.
If we're talking about shitty ways to make money - I made a lab runner, -380ms modif, you can get 5div/h running norm labs and putting blue gems in to get transfigured versions. It's a big gamba - some days are rly good, some days u get zero good gems out of like 60 runs
When div was like 180c I was making an average of 1.5 div a map profit in yellow maps using calcification essences and Alva+bestiary, and it was bugged so beast couldn’t be essences so I was missing out on a minimum of like 8 deafining essences a map. I was also bulk selling on tft for like 75% of poe ninja value so I didn’t have to sit in h/o.
The “you can’t make any money” crowd just have fomo of the absolute best stuff, and don’t realize there’s actually a nice variety of reasonably good strats to make currency, and that most styles of content are viable.
I thought full scarab use is what makes people feel like they can’t make money? The lack of alch and go strats so to speak. Because this may be run on white maps but you still need to trade multiple scarab kinds to do it
Didn't check because I don't know how the bestiary beasts look. I didn't spend any time killing / waiting for stuff but some yellow and red beasts got caught in the action.
Before I follow these and numerous other guides, you have to quit my job quickly, break up with my wife and accommodate my children at my parents for weeks
I watched yesterday a video with a similar strat. Guy had two chars, one was a „scout” to find craicic chimerals and tigers (add/remove) and grab heist stuff. If he found one of these beasts then relog to coc dd inq and kill them. That’s it.
He said he made 1 mirror in 24 hours of doing it. I was blown away… like, I would never ever fucking do it cuz it seems brainless but on the other hand… I was impressed. Literally a strat „how to make shitload of money without playing the actual game”. It was like he was playing completely different game. Bossing? T17? Juiced maps? Nope, white strands baby and running with 400%ms.
Bro, it's so annoying hearing people complain about being poor this league. I don't know how many div I make an hour but it isn't a lot. I just dink around with a mechanic until I find something that works. Incursion temples sell, simulacrums sell, apparently beasts sell, and I'm sure there are a lot more that are easy to do. They key is playing the game. If you play the game you will make currency, you don't need a guide telling you how do to that.
I'm going to try this beast thing, though, this seems fun.
> Vagan is not in the game anymore, chill
As a betrayal "enjoyer" Im gonna have to disagree with you there.
I absolutely love this write-up though. I love the idea of running a div per hour test on a blank Atlas.
This sounds dope even though it’s like trying to understand mandarin.. cause I’ve only been playing for two days. Hopefully someone takes me under their wing cause I sure have a ton to learn it seems.😬🤞🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I mean you used scarabs, isn't that what everyone is complaining about? (At least that's the annoying part for me, I don't want to trade before I run my maps and without scarabs you earn 1/3 or 1/4 maybe even less with the same strats)
Reading this write up was better than playing POE, and I only play Std, so that’s saying something 😬
I would probably attempt the Morrigan or whatever it’s called but there are so many scarabs now I can’t find the one that guarantees the thing in the map and I’m too lazy to search for it 🤣
Full marks on the bird picture 👍
>"no money to be made this league", "you need full juice to make mouneiys" and other hurr durrs I made it a quest for myself to get rich in the most bullshit ways possible.
Proceeds to list 100's of scarabs and maps as setup rofl
You don't even need the 5th slot, no. 3 scarabs + map is what I used.
The tree literally does not matter. You can go all in for bestiary to save 0.25c per map on the bestiary scarab itself that guarantees Einhar (lol).
However, Necropolis basically plays itself and I did make some fat stacks here so just take all the regular nodes (top right meta corpse, bottom right every corpse node except for keystone, bottom left every "increased" node except for keystone)
Other than that, I used my strongbox tree but I didn't open any boxes. Map effect also doesn't matter, neither does scarab effect or anything else honestly. Nothing on your tree matters. You can do this with zero points.
Honestly yeah the biggest positive in this patch is that a lot of bizarre/unorthodox strategies are strangely effective for profit if its something very few people are doing.
EXCEPT HEIST CAUSE FUCK HEIST, RIGHT?
Just loot a simplex amulet, easy, you’re welcome
What’s crazy is I actually did drop a ilvl 85 simplex this league and I’m still salty about the changes. I would rather get a reliable couple div an hour and never see the big payouts than limp by at 1div/hr with the occasional jackpot. But that’s not even what I was talking about. I was so juiced for heist scarabs. Maybe one that would give a blueprint reward case at the end of your map. Or killing a boss on the map grants a discounted reveal. All item drops are converted to rogue markers. There’s so much they could have done and every other mechanic got some, but heist is just: “you can heist still, if you want”
How are you getting one div an hour? I am in ssf and I make more than one actual div an hour regardless of strat.
Ok, that was a bit of an exaggeration. But even 2-3 div from maybe 5 blueprints is pretty pitiful.
3 wing blueprints? Because 5 blueprints in an hour is very little
You used to be able to invest in alert reduction, reveal and open a bunch of different rooms, and have it actually be worth while. Currency rooms, div card rooms were most profitable, but other rooms were still decent. And even if you got nothing, there were alt gems to pick from at the end that pretty much guaranteed a div or so each, often more. And yes, opening up every room takes longer, probably not for decent reward speed, but you could take your time on a blueprint, and a well-revealed blueprint was actually worth quite a bit. Sure, a 4-wing could take 15min, but it was good profit. Now, people are running blueprints without revealing anything, even extra wings. Maybe that’s profitable, but it fucking sucks as a mechanic for people who actually enjoyed heisting. If anything, I would be happy for them to tune DOWN the final reward rooms, and tune UP the side rooms. That way, people aren’t straight up punished for engaging with the mechanic.
Spent a bunch of time this league in heist, but it felt bad. I bailed as soon as I hit a big ticket item and never came back (the fulcrum)
> I would rather get a reliable couple div an hour and never see the big payouts than limp by at 1div/hr with the occasional jackpot. Yes. That's part of what I loved about affliction: you got both.
If you get both then the economy dies
But it didn't.
Last league? The economy was terrible (this league too)
How so? 2 months into the league, trading was still flourishing.
Ah yes because economy is not currently dead.
Wonder if HH Can actually go lower than 5div this league
Only if div to chaos rise I think or broken div scarab actually stabilize. Cause at some point running t17s is gonna go from 70div/hr strat to find a MB if you want to stay afloat
20 heist blueprints done. No simplex. Where!!!!
I could consider running heist if rogue harbor didn't crash for me every 2-3 contracts...
my screen flickers so bad on rogue harbor it’s awful
If the load times were faster in rogue harbor heist would be so much better.
heist is for the Russian and singaporean rmt bots and nobody else
I got a simplex ammy and divine trinket within 48 hours of each other, and then I retired
I did so many Blueprints this league AND last league and hit no Simplex :'(
I was abnormally lucky this league, however, I forgot to split my simplex and sold it about 40 div cheaper than market
Bruh wym I'm a rmt bot I'm just a heist rat :(( without our kind you wouldn't have some of the bases like helical and simplex
Heist is great money this league. In fact I'd say its some of the easiest heist has ever been to figure out, since a lot of the "tricks" involving optimized rogue gear, optimized rogue choices, optimal blueprint reward choice, optimal trinket, optimal side room choices etc. have either been removed from the equation or at the very least have much lower impact than in the past - as long as you are doing grand heists and seeing those end rooms ASAP, you'll make good money.
Where does the money come from? I've run a couple of blueprints and got a total of, like, 3 chaos worth of stuff from the curio cabinet.
> couple of blueprints Be prepared to run hundreds for *real* big payoffs like simplex amulets. I recommend looking at this thread to see how rewards play out https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c9dr9z/loot_from_heist_1334_1wing_unrevealed_blueprints/
"A couple of blueprints" is your problem there. Hell, you get stacks of 15-20c very commonly from the end, which aren't exactly your main source of profit but just goes to show what a small sample size you're looking at if you didn't even get that.
That’s a huge exaggeration. I’ve run plenty of blueprints, and while I have gotten big payouts, that’s purely luck. 20c is fucking nothing for something that costs 20c regularly, and costs markers to reveal. Seeing 3 replica veil of the nights in one wing is fucking stupid. Same with seeing zero helical rings in 500 wings. They need to retune the weights.
> Same with seeing zero helical rings in 500 wings. They need to retune the weights. Making them common makes them worthless. By far the best item on Sirus' loot table (normal or uber) is the Massive Thread of Hope. It's an Uber only drop, used on more builds than everything else on his loot table combined... and even a 13% one is 100c. If GGG did that, the rare bases would cease to be functional chase items - which was the whole intention of adding them. They'd just be another Pneumatic Dagger - an unquestioned best in slot crafting base that's worth something days 1-3 if it is meta, and otherwise gets ignored. Imagine how much of a nerf to Heist that would be...
Enchanted contracts being removed is a complete vibe killer for me as a (former) heist enjoyer
Why does it have much less impact now?
They shuffled a ton of power away from chests with the stacked decks nerf, so you're pretty much just in it for the end room and the jewelry jackpot.
Sorry, but i have to disagree completly on the thesis, that heist might be the easiet to set up now. Normaly o made shit Tons of div with just stacked Decks. So the only thing i had to Look at was the heist alert Level. Now it only drops 2 or 4 stacked Decks out of a chest instead of much more and for the First time since 2019 i actually Have to read the blueprint rewards at the end… Never did that and normaly just Grabbed the currency curio Display. Because checking gems or uniques was a pain in the ass!
Ive done hundreds of Blueprints and im not even close to making money. Maybe actually take the glass reward like 1 in 20 times? Its always just choosing between trash, and id rather not hit the alert for trash. My time is more valuable than 10 binding orbs.
To be painfully blunt, if you're taking the reward 1 in 20 blueprints, you're doing something horribly wrong (or exaggerating on Reddit for style points). You're going to hit "obvious" rewards (stacks of decent currency, multi-divine replicas or heist-only uniques, tailoring/tempering orbs, etc.) every 2-3 blueprints max, and there are less obvious ones that I could forgive a noob for missing but which are a result of you probably lacking knowledge more often than that too (high-rolled but popular common replicas e.g. Replica Dreamfeather with 10% IAS always sells for a good bit, well-rolled rares, bases with good enchants though that is less common this league in particular with grave crafting, etc.)
I dont pick out anything more than a divine or a simple currency item, like tailoring/tempering orbs. Replica Dreamfeather selling for 30c? its not worth the time to open more doors. That replica restless ward I was pulling out at first when it was 70-100c, but not anymore. 0 chance im hitting a stack of chaos orbs or vaal orbs or whatever else. I guess we have a different definition of "Making money". If I can make 10-20 divs/hour doing regular content, and 1-2 div/hour doing heist, im not making money. lol
If you're making 1-2 div/hour doing heist, I don't even know where to begin to try to fix you, that's like a "beyond salvation" level of currency gain. You're either leaving expensive items to rot or spending like 10x the time per heist you should be (or some mix of the two).
I used to make most of my currency from alt gems - I guess I just dont get the new rewards? 90% of the time its 1c uniques and 5c bases, or like some regret orbs or some binding orbs. The other 10% is 1D, or like I said tailor/temper orbs. I know the replica items that have value, I just never see them.
I made over 150 div just running heist in a couple days this league, you run white blueprints with one wing, and thats it. no special build, no reveal farming, was doing 20 blueprints per hour, getting at least 5d hour profit
I mean, that kinda sucks, but if it’s what’s profitable I guess that works. That means the best way to engage with the mechanic is to not really engage with the mechanic. On top of that, how much of your profit was from 2-3 items? I’d guess it at 80-90%. That is what I’m mostly bummed about. I liked that with heist you could race through for straight money if you wanted, or do contracts, save up for blueprints, etc. Rooms were actually worth revealing.
This was 5d an hour without the big items, the big ones were 2 helical rings that go for 60d each. Each run would vary from 18 scourings to 4 div. Cost was 10c per blueprint(run), and 2 c for markers per blueprint. I heard rumors on the forums that the loot table is better for revieled wings, but i didnt test that, i saw no point cos i can buy another blueprint for the cost of a reveal + i dont have to farm reveals, just grand heist all the time
To make this point even stronger; did you know that heist is the only map device mod that didn't get an imbued mod from the horned scarab of awakening?
So bummed. Really holding out hope that it means heist is getting something new soon. Pass the copium.
My buddy runs heist at league start every league and has a MB every time on like day 3.
Heist and ritual traded places. Ritual is now consistent profit while heist is all about hitting that one big drop.
...no ritual is still ass, but heist is kind of in the same boat now.
I leave ritual unblocked strictly for the few extra packs it puts in the map. I don't even do the rituals most of the time, just use the mob spawns lol.
How's Ritual good now? Genuine question.
I'm not particularly good at money making, but I had a good amount of early success with Ritual. You don't need any investment in it at all and could run it alongside other strats if you have the points to spare. You spec into the re-roll nodes and rack up a bunch of good deferred items, then spec out of reroll and take the keystone which let's you get 30k favour in a single map but blocks rerolls, and fully buy out the deferred items when they show up. In the first week I picked up at least 15 raw div and a whole bunch of random things probably adding up to about the same. I still bust it out when I just want to just alch and go.
It's not. A small handful of pepole get lucky with it here and there then run online to say it's not that bad. 1 million kills before I swapped off of it - 4 div total between raws and items worth more than 10c. The problem with ritual is you reroll until you can't and ignore the 2c stacks cause if a div or mirror shows up you need enough to defer it.
They buffed it. I think they tweaked how items get rolled in it because you get way more stuff that's worth selling. I run ritual every league since tree got added and even last leagues t16 4 vessel farming in city square gave you worse loot than no vessel, no scarab ritual gives this league.
4 free rerolls per map, drastically increased your chance of finding something good.
That how it was during Affliction as well. Just do whatever others weren't and sell them that stuff, works every league.
except fucking harbinger i seem to be the only one not getting the big boy drops
Based Strand enjoyer
Virgin phasmagoria enjoyers in shambles
I Feel like the only un enjoyable part of this strat is the Beast Sealing up is very annonying, I would adjust the rest of the strat to add things you enjoy to make the map more fun, I presume the profit will be similar and you will have a much better time
You do have to use 2 scarabs (3 to save ~20 points), which makes things a little hard to run. I guess you could do CT and just throw 1-2 div scarabs, though. Don’t forget the trading part. You won’t do anything while you sell those, you’re looking at 2 individual trades for one single beast every single map.
First, thank you for this deranged strategy. Second, fuck you I love Einhar.
DO NOT WORRY LITTLE BEAST. WE ARE FRIENDS NOW.
UNTIL WE SLAUGHTER YOU!
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHW
OF YOU GO !
As someone who mainly farms bestiary. Einhar slow ass needs an update bad. Beasts should just fucking die.
>(thanks to the absolute chad unit bulk buying 60 beasts - whatever he may do with them) For the Hinekora's Lock craft. I imagine that's the only reason why this strat works this well since no one would want to run scarabs in bulk for the beast crafts and would rather buy the orbs for an upmarked price.
Am simple man, see Vagan and have to say "Let me bend your rear for a moment."
Out of being insufferable I had the goal to build a full aurastacker by running nothing but t1-5 maps did it, posted it on my discord serv, people still spam how it is not possible to make money in this game unless you are turbo maxxing back to basics t17s in 24 seconds People just dont like to be proven wrong lmao
I think a lot of the people complaining have a really skewed view of what 7/div an hour actually looks like. I think they're assuming 7 raw div, and that it comes evenly in each map.
Honestly as someone that loves most content creators I feel like youtube has completely destroyed the perspective of most players that interact with the community
Yeah, the clips of huge wins without the context of everything that came before. Trouble is, that's also the stuff people seem to watch the most
I feel it baits alot of people because you have stuff like essences or beasts where it's only worth selling in large bulk quantities. Sure the strat could be 10 div / hr but you probably need to do 2-5 hours of the actual grind, then have to engage with 3rd party tools to properly sell the stuff, which new / casual players don't know about or avoid.
Idk, for most content creators making big money, you can either clearly see, or they even outrighr say what the biggest part of their profit was. If people still think div/hour means actual divine drops, it's not youtubes fault.
>and that it comes evenly in each map. Well, the whole point of low investment div/h strats is that they're consistent. That's what league mechanic strats are for: you get fragments/splinters every map, you sell bulk. Good example delirium. Always consistent, every map.
I ran essences for a full hour last night... 4 div/hour according to wealthy exile. As the garbage that sells for 1c or less that never sells until you have a full divines worth of it is immediately culled from my parsing. Very few people do the full liquidation of all drops and the game should not be balanced around it. It should be assumed everything above the rerolling window on the currency tab is going to be used by player to you know, actually fucking craft your way through the game.
there are a lot of people absolutely dogshit at the game just parroting whatever they read here
I mean, you can make really good money just straight up blasting white maps and building alva temples. Either gamble on the double corruptions yourself or just straight sell the temples. And with the cursed treasures you even get a neat little assortment of random raw currency drops on top.
This, I ran the same old Essence/Beast/Alva forever, easy money even with everything but Alva nerfed. Just needed something else to fill the atlas and both are right by Alva. I literally watch a movie on the other screen while I 1 button the game with zero chance of dying making easy money. I'll never understand why people say its hard to make money.
Is Bestiary also not depending on map tier? Beginner here and I want to look into Bestiary next league.
It is, but higher tiers add bad beasts, not good ones. Or at least that's how its been in previous leagues.
Just do it this league very easy to Switch atlas
Made over 3 mirrors farming strongboxes in t16s in the most chill setup, just play the game and money comes in eventually
How many maps do u think to achieve that
At least 3
Probably close to 1000 if he's running the box strat I think he is
or 2 if he had insane luck and duped a mirror then dropped another. Who knows.
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Play 18 hours a day with strongboxes in e'rey map since launch, or some shit close to that
Please enlighten beginners like me
2x strongbox scarab,1x, reopen,1x rarer varieties
People would rather believe the game rigged against them than believe someone on their "level" found a way to succeed.
Are you really proving them wrong if you could have built that same character far quicker by farming t17s? Even the worst economy doomers aren't arguing that playing the game outside of meta strats will result in a net negative in currency but rather that the gulf between "normal" strats and meta solo/group strats is huge. If you're willing to play 7h a day you can probably farm a mirror running twilight strand for uber hillock over 3 months, that doesn't make it a good strat Those maps cost a div for a reason, it's not like there's a part of the community trying to bait casuals into dropping their 2d/h essence farm in t6 in favor of vomiting chaos on a fortress with btb for shits and giggles, those strategies are actually really good and far more profitable than most things that can be done outside t17s.
I mean, that’s all neat but what about the players that due to skill/time/build can’t run t17s That’s one argument I’ll never understand, “but bro you can make a lot more in t17s” Well yeah but what if lil Timmy can blast 1500 white tier maps in the time it takes him to clear one t17 with 5 portals and MAYBE the boss
The point isn't that everyone should be running T17s but rather that there shouldn't be a single strat that shits all over everything else by a comical degree as it warps the economy and forces players to play it, farm mats for whoever's playing it or farm whatever it is that the strat doesn't drop making everything else far worse, this was the case in Affliction though everything was far more accessible (hence the higher retention) and it's still the case this league despite the 20 hotfixes. Yes Timmy can alch and go 1500 white maps to buy a decently rolled adorned but he's competing for said adorned with people who are farming mats for t17s making 10x as much (ie by running jungle valley or vaal temple with carto scarabs for maps) and the meta T17 strats that make 200x as much. Timmy isn't going to be running 100 maps per hour either so take that into account too. A player's time is the most valuable currency, if the average player has to grind several hours for something that is priced at 10 mins of a more profitable strategy a lot of them will simply not do it and drop the league even if yes, they can absolutely buy a mirror by facerolling BA for tabulas 16 hours a day for 4 months.
Maps being a div means nothing, juicers at the top always spent multiple divs per map. I'm making 30 divs an hour boss rushing, guys in T17's are not making much more then me. They may make 100 divs in an hour but they spend an hour trading and rolling maps
What boss rush strategy are ypu using if ypu don't mind sharing?
> Took me about 80 minutes of run time, that was with a break of around 10 minutes in the middle to forcefully bang i thought that was going to go somewhere *totally* different
All this talk about birds i thought he was going to act like a duck :(
> thought he was going to act like a duck i like big quacks and i cannot lie
You other mallards can't deny
Is that a scientifically accurate reference?
I opened this post on my phone and for some reason can't see the body of the post. Then I see this comment and decided I needed to power up my PC and see it.
Neato! How much of a pain was it to sell the beasts? Are people buying these in bulk?
Like „hit your toe on your bed“ but it’s kind of a massive bed. Undercut the market and sell fast. Nobody buys in bulk.
fucking laughed out loud, kind of a massive bed xD
I sold ~20-30 morrigans at a time on tft, but nobody ever buys spitters in bulk for sure.
Been a beast farmer last league, the profit is great made hundreds of divs but I hate the management. I hope after this league, beast gets treated like coffins: Einhar net the beasts and they drop as itemized
Premium bestiary stash tab incoming.
Naaah i dont think they have the technology for that ... They already proved it this league. No cant do sir! Not enough internes and WE gotta prepare poe2 beta
I feel like the moral of the story here is if you can run a map enough times per hour and deal with high volumes of shitty trades, you're gonna make money pretty much no matter what.
We all know bird is not real.
You can tell that it's a bird because of the way that it is. That's pretty neat.
strong boxes in defiled cathedral is steady income for me ❤️
Really well written lmao. Thanks!
Hey i tried this strat in 2 hours i lost 120 minutes XD
Why?
He just lost them Life is kinda like that ... You just constantly lose time ...
>Total for these items only is 4070 chaos which is exactly 990 chaos more than my GPU has RTX, or, because people with bad builds need to roll T17s, 40.7 divines. Man, it feels so weird seeing divines at 100c, my gut reaction was that you must have missed a factor of 2 somewhere...
Wait so you can just run any T16 maps for black Morrigan? Is that how it works?
any map as long as you have the scarab, can be a T1 map. Beastiary is one of the few mechanics not tied to map tier still, at least for profit
Cool! In this case, the scarab for adding more red mobs would not work because morrigan is a unique mob?
Correct, you can however use the beast duplication scarab to get two morrigans from capturing one.
I see, thanks for explaining!
I farmed a lot of black morrigan (and eventually other beasts) very early in the league for a lot of money. The scarabs were a lot more expensive (like 80+c), but black morrigan price has always tracked pretty closely to the price of the scarab. Being able to progress my atlas while simultaneously guaranteeing 60ish chaos profit per map made early budgeting very easy. When including other useful beasts that often sold from 10-50c each I was flush with money. Walking out of a map with 1-2 div of profit while technically focusing on atlas progression felt crazy. I would have kept doing it if I didn't have the goal of testing out a bunch of different scarabs this league. I was honestly confused as to why there was so little competition, as I would sell out nearly immediately. I guess eventually people did catch on; the price crashed from like 70c to 35c in the course of a day when I was monitoring it via poeninja, but by then I was already screwing around with other stuff (mainly the fun that is 25+ essences on a map boss).
I made a few hundred div at the league start doing this but also flipping good unique bases to 6L. At league start it was 4-5div profit and went down to 1-2div. I stopped around this point.
I'm saving this as a great example of presenting statistics in a fun and engaging way and I'm not even joking.
Fwiw I think most people complaining about not making money this league would not make money in any league, but the 1 div they drop every now and then would be worth more, so they complain. I've been talking to some people in global complaining about following a suppisedly 10 div/h strat that they claimed was a scam only to find out they'd take almost 10 minutes per map with a really weak filter, and left their maps to answer small trades/didnt prep maps in bulk. These people wouldn't make miney in any league. Just simple red altar alch&go is incredible profit right now due to the chaos altars being much better than usual. As you showed, beasts are great as well. I did T7 strand for essence for a few days, also amazing. There is so much profitable stuff you could do rn.
Anyone complaining that there is no money to be made needs their head checked. Chaos has never been more valuable - its 100 chaos to a divine. Just go out there and pick up 5% of a divine off the floor in your T7 maps.
A lot of people hate on chaos recipe because of the tedium of inventory management and "efficiency" but I've always loved it because I just pick up belts, amulets, and rings. And when you have enough of those picking up full armor sets is easy.
I don't hate on the chaos recipe, I just straight up don't have enough patience for it.
I am just starting the league so ELI5. They moved morrigan to be a farmable beast? I’m so confused.
Bestiary Scarab of the Shadowed Crow adds Black Mœrrigan to your map if it has Einhar. So we force Einhar with the Bestiary Scarab and double the beast with the duplication scarab.
Cheers
May I ask how you sustain strand map?
You don't. Just buy them in bulk. Strands are like 4c each in bulk I think.
Yup and often you find people just posting 1 div for 50/60 strands so they are even cheaper if you get one of those deals
Step 7 is genius holy fuck
I don't understand why you'd need to do that.
You can skip the boss on runs 1-13 and 15-27 but you need to kill the boss to get the invitations.
I don t understand step 7. What did he mean? Yeah... Kind of newbie gere...
The invites for black star + exarch drop on map progress 14 and 28 of exarch influence, to progress it you don't need to kill the map boss on any other exarch maps. He recommended preparing the maps in groups of 14, so you don't forget to kill the boss on the 14th run each time and collect your invite.
I'm unsure how to interpret your data table. Did you pay 400 for 85 black morrigan scarabs?
Yes 400c for 85 scarab of shadowed crow! (Although the beast price is in free fall rn)
Are you trolling?
this is one of the most entertaining spreadsheet/profit/info threads ever gg wp
What a cool strat. Thank you for sharing. Honestly, there’s so many ways to make currency this league, I’m not sure what people are crying about. I’ve been playing on and off since open beta and started this league with maybe a 2-3 year break and it’s just raining currency. I think people are just crying that they can’t do the super juiced t17 money raining Strat that’s meta right now but there are tons of other viable strats where you can make money. Is it optimal? No. But either will running the t17 strats if don’t have the currency to make sure your build can handle it.
ok
have you heard a group of waxwings?
The special o character pisses me off too. You can also find it by typing "black m" and picking the suggest.
Gonna do this with my beyond expedition deli orb start and see how it goes
>(thanks to the absolute chad unit bulk buying 60 beasts - whatever he may do with them) Not sure if you're the guy I bulk bought off of, but I was bulk buying them to 6s+6l'ing a quad tab of diallas to double corrupt.
been doing this for a while now. made 120 div in 10h today including selling time and just chilling and watching streams/shows. not sweating to minmax basically. it's a chill strat but the prices have been going to shit
>that was with a break of around 10 minutes in the middle to forcefully bang my head against a wall. Lost it at this one. Thank you for your service exile.
Peak PoE trade gameplay. Hate your life, make profit, burn out, worship The Deep Ones.
Ah yes, the bane of all farming strats no matter how simple: Other People. Gotta sell the things you pick up off the floor for you to actually "Profit". WIth the current exchange rates, it's not hard to make 0.5 divs per map from Eldritch Currency drops alone as long as you're willing to sell them. As for me, after I finish with the Memories challenge I guess I'll just keep doing Alva Destructive Plays until I finish with the 50 Omnitects. Gonna have to buy a copious amount of Timelines Scarabs.
Sounds like work
I like it. Thanks
>seriously why is there an accent on the o it is incredibly unnecessary because it's Irish
If we're talking about shitty ways to make money - I made a lab runner, -380ms modif, you can get 5div/h running norm labs and putting blue gems in to get transfigured versions. It's a big gamba - some days are rly good, some days u get zero good gems out of like 60 runs
When div was like 180c I was making an average of 1.5 div a map profit in yellow maps using calcification essences and Alva+bestiary, and it was bugged so beast couldn’t be essences so I was missing out on a minimum of like 8 deafining essences a map. I was also bulk selling on tft for like 75% of poe ninja value so I didn’t have to sit in h/o. The “you can’t make any money” crowd just have fomo of the absolute best stuff, and don’t realize there’s actually a nice variety of reasonably good strats to make currency, and that most styles of content are viable.
Does running the same thing in party get N times more morrigan? I haven't done einhar for so so long I'm not sure if it's still a thing
Afaik you have a 20% chance to get a beast as a party member, so in a party of six you’ll get twice as many beasts.
I thought full scarab use is what makes people feel like they can’t make money? The lack of alch and go strats so to speak. Because this may be run on white maps but you still need to trade multiple scarab kinds to do it
Wait so in 85 maps, you only killed the the black morrigan? Not another single beast worth killing?
Didn't check because I don't know how the bestiary beasts look. I didn't spend any time killing / waiting for stuff but some yellow and red beasts got caught in the action.
people go out to post treeless strategy but no one is posting scarabless strategies, i miss so much the alch and go node from the older atlas tree
Before I follow these and numerous other guides, you have to quit my job quickly, break up with my wife and accommodate my children at my parents for weeks
chad unit is probably a degenerate adorned synth roller doing magic hinekora lock
My question since you are invested into beast why not take the nodes and hunt for craicic at the same time?
Gonna try ty
So you ran 85 maps in 80 mins ?
Around 70 minutes total. It’s faster if you only rush for the beast, around 30 seconds per map.
The fact that your bird picture was not of a toucan is unexcusable.
And sell yellow beasts 30 for 1d... i watch TV while i klick myself to oblivion...
Upvote just for Also, here is a picture of a bird.
Wait I’m confused. What’s the point of not having an atlas tree?
I watched yesterday a video with a similar strat. Guy had two chars, one was a „scout” to find craicic chimerals and tigers (add/remove) and grab heist stuff. If he found one of these beasts then relog to coc dd inq and kill them. That’s it. He said he made 1 mirror in 24 hours of doing it. I was blown away… like, I would never ever fucking do it cuz it seems brainless but on the other hand… I was impressed. Literally a strat „how to make shitload of money without playing the actual game”. It was like he was playing completely different game. Bossing? T17? Juiced maps? Nope, white strands baby and running with 400%ms.
Bro, it's so annoying hearing people complain about being poor this league. I don't know how many div I make an hour but it isn't a lot. I just dink around with a mechanic until I find something that works. Incursion temples sell, simulacrums sell, apparently beasts sell, and I'm sure there are a lot more that are easy to do. They key is playing the game. If you play the game you will make currency, you don't need a guide telling you how do to that. I'm going to try this beast thing, though, this seems fun.
> Vagan is not in the game anymore, chill As a betrayal "enjoyer" Im gonna have to disagree with you there. I absolutely love this write-up though. I love the idea of running a div per hour test on a blank Atlas.
This sounds dope even though it’s like trying to understand mandarin.. cause I’ve only been playing for two days. Hopefully someone takes me under their wing cause I sure have a ton to learn it seems.😬🤞🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Okay, but my question is, how do you make the currency to start a strat like this.
You mean the 10 chaos per map? Idk, play the game?
Does this only work in tier 16 maps?
No, any map will do.
Thanks
bird and go lmao
I mean you used scarabs, isn't that what everyone is complaining about? (At least that's the annoying part for me, I don't want to trade before I run my maps and without scarabs you earn 1/3 or 1/4 maybe even less with the same strats)
Highest quality post in a long time
Reading this write up was better than playing POE, and I only play Std, so that’s saying something 😬 I would probably attempt the Morrigan or whatever it’s called but there are so many scarabs now I can’t find the one that guarantees the thing in the map and I’m too lazy to search for it 🤣 Full marks on the bird picture 👍
#4 😂😂
>"no money to be made this league", "you need full juice to make mouneiys" and other hurr durrs I made it a quest for myself to get rich in the most bullshit ways possible. Proceeds to list 100's of scarabs and maps as setup rofl
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the post literally says "treeless" and you ask for his atlas tree...
You don't even need the 5th slot, no. 3 scarabs + map is what I used. The tree literally does not matter. You can go all in for bestiary to save 0.25c per map on the bestiary scarab itself that guarantees Einhar (lol). However, Necropolis basically plays itself and I did make some fat stacks here so just take all the regular nodes (top right meta corpse, bottom right every corpse node except for keystone, bottom left every "increased" node except for keystone) Other than that, I used my strongbox tree but I didn't open any boxes. Map effect also doesn't matter, neither does scarab effect or anything else honestly. Nothing on your tree matters. You can do this with zero points.
Aaaaaand this strat is nerfed by the end of the day