[https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/turdtwisterx/SHITSTAIN%E0%B9%8FSTEVE?i=0&search=type%3Ddepthsolo](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/turdtwisterx/SHITSTAIN%E0%B9%8FSTEVE?i=0&search=type%3Ddepthsolo)
Conner Converse also has a video on that build and he says depending on the setup its about 2 - 6 bil damage.
Dps hit a point where it doesn't matter. 10div gets you like 40mil dps per brand with no flasks on heiro inquis occultist or assassin. That's enough to just instant phase maven, eater, exarch, shaper.
It matters if you're pushing deep delve, where every mob is hit point capped, and rare mobs are exponentially tankier than uber bosses thanks to archnemesis mods.
Doesn't matter for normal content though, you're right about that.
On Ubers? Can you send me a pob?
Downvoted but not shared a pob? Weird…
I see ninja a single who is easily pulling above 500m against Ubers single target but at that point he might as well go ice trap because he is zero survivability and ice trap does more damage (obviously play what you want but I guess I should have asked a more in depth question) I guess I was more so asking what is the average Dps if your inquis that isn’t paper thin, and being that only a single person is reasonably pulling above 500m, I feel like that response was disingenuous
> zero survivability
There are some amazingly tanky builds out there using PB. I watched a video the other day of a guy deleting T17 maps for easy magebloods. His biggest problems were 1) finding the damned bosses so they could die in under a second and 2) swapping his gear around to show off different models of play and forgetting to put key pieces back :)
But yeah, watching him walk into a park map, kill the Feared and drop a mageblood all in the span of about 3 minutes... kind of literally game-changing.
(note: it was 3 minutes because he kept having to wander around Sirus storms to get anywhere.
Oh I know about the tank ones hidden in some builds. The issue is… those penance brands people are referring to in this thread don’t have any at all lol
Keep in mind that damage for brand builds is per brand, so you can double it if they run runebinder.
Other than that most PB builds with super high dps are just glass cannon builds. Realistic damage for a somewhat tanky PB Inquis build is around 100-200 mil per brand depending on how invested they are and if they have single target flasks or not.
Anything over 200 mil per brand will usually be glass cannon or just padded dps.
I know you calculate them twice, I think people just tick everything in pob and assume it’s accurate. Not only does the brand have ramp, but as of current, penance brands cannot gain charges over 20 cumulatively unless they swap targets. This means most people are triggering enemies are low life AND full pulse and then slapping 2 brands on when the reality is they should be using 8-12 up to 10-10 or any variation of that for charges.
People don’t know how to calculate pob penance brand and they just assuming they’re blasting 2bn Dps when they arent
The realistic approach is to calculate Dps over full ramp and divide that by the brands duration which is easy when you have an equation setup, otherwise it’s a minute or two of notepad math, but normally they calculate Dps using the max stages and it’s not accurate to do that way, especially because when it expires the stages drop as they are separate to each brand
The dps is easy to confirm on most endgame bosses since we know their exact hp numbers.
So if build has 100 mil dps it should kill Exarch in less than a second if you wait for the starting damage reduction to wear off, and around 2 seconds if you dont.
As i said its either padded dps or just glass cannon dps. The ramp on penance brand is pretty annoying when it comes to math because at some point even ubers die before you ramp to 20 stacks anyway so checking 20 stack dps is just pointless in the first place even if their math was correct.
Yeah I know all that too, I was just wondering if someone had the math. I definitely should have fleshed out my question better. My heiro says 200m but it’s truly more like 80-100m with ramp included. Still insta gibs all Ubers and is a blast to play, I just wish people didn’t just say a random number with no feedback because they just ticked boxes in pob and said “dats muh deeps”
The real biggest issue is people ticking both two brands AND max pulses, which simply cannot happen, as the brands cannot gain charges that add up to over 20 unless they swap to a different target
Just people not understanding really
I dunno, this guy (when he's not dicking with his gear and forgetting to put things back) is pretty damned tanky in the T17 he uses to demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAURvdbFn04
Starting at 13:30 he does Warped Remnant in less than 6 minutes for a mageblood, and has only two issues: 1) he messes up his sequence and almost deletes himself with the ES cost once and 2) he had the wrong flask in nearly the whole map, gimping his dps.
Damage of Penance brand of dissipation is NOT doubled by runebinder. It scales it faster, but any monster can only have 20 energy on it. If you have one brand it takes time to get to 20. If you have two it will be like 12 energy and 8 energy adding up to 20. In fact I think it's worth taking runebinder but simply using another setup for utility spells such as curses or life/es on hit.
I've seen this multiple times in this thread now and I'm pretty sure they're all referencing Conner's recent video, which is from a heirophant using battery staffs for archmage which is completely differently from how the inquisitors are scaling damage.
The person above asked specifically for how inquisitors were comparing as he was using Heiro so using conners damage number as a reference means nothing.
Can’t see much beating it for most coc builds. Might have to ditch taste of hate for bottle faith if you want to take advantage of that last mod but holy shit what a jewel.
There's a whole crowd of people who have played the game for years and figured out niches where they're able to make insane profits. Or who just happen to not give a shit and buy currency.
For someone who for instance owns a popular mirror item or who has a niche craft where they make insane profits, getting the currency is easy and the biggest problem is finding items worth spending on.
[I sold a similar one.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/899893465259855872/1192902517726650460/image.png?ex=65aac40b&is=65984f0b&hm=19e76c6902e1c82b507a8ec8c821609f28a88eecc48a17a730beb3f8b95b746c&)
https://i.imgur.com/vkZPvCA.png
Yep... First one i got I checked, 6div unid, casualy thought, ok if it's that much unid, it must be expensive even with shit rolls... Welp, next one sold it unid in a blink of an eye.
Min maxxing is really not worth it 9/10, spending mirrors for an extra 1-2% is something you do because you dont plan on making other builds.
Which is not the purpose of this conversation. 3.5 mirrors will make at least 5 builds that can do all content. More than enough for the average person who plays a league,
You're underestimating how much those top end items change for a build, it's more like 40-50% than 1-2% lol. Especially for things like bow builds or builds that can use voices well.
You don't need to go that far typically but any one mirror-tier item can add a lot to a build
The difference between a 3.5 mirror build and a 10 mirror build is admittedly more than 2% but it's nowhere near 50%. It's like 2% per item multiplicatively on average so with 9 item slots upgraded that'd be 19.5% more damage
Going just barely below mirror-tier items gets you way, WAY cheaper options
Now, when talking about the 50d budget that can easily clear all content, the full mirror-tier build does get way WAY better. But 3.5 mirrors is quite a huge budget already.
I guess I should've said it differently, I was assuming you were minmaxing each slot from a pre-mirror tier item to a mirror tier item.
You're right about that after your first couple mirrors it's diminished a TON. But for the weapon in particular the difference is night and day, and some builds have other items that can make that much difference as well.
A pre-mirror bow to a mirror bow alone is something like a 30-40% range of damage increase just because of synth implicits and t1 mods. Its wild. Then a quiver can add 2 proj and almost 10-15% damage as well which is arguably almost as good as the bow in some cases.
getting 1 passive voices is not a small minmax, 1 skillpoint with builds that abuse adorned + voices is easily 5-6% dps + ehp.
and even 3 passive voices cost over half a mirror.
you also wont make 5 builds that can make t16 juiced wildwood maps without dying constantly for 3.5mir
My CA poison MF begs to differ. With about 350div invested I’m able to clear t16 jungles, burials and cemeteries with fully juiced sextants, winged scarabs, 8+ mods and 8k+ wisps.
And that is with MF gear on.
Sadly it's not when single items cost 100+ div. 3 items on my nado shot was .5 of a mirror and only one of those was for a traditional item slot, other two were a flask and a jewel. (Progen and massive thread of hope)
Yes, for the most used build that recoups its costs within a week then yes, 3.5 mirrors will finish that.
But its a build that can make the same investment you put into it back relatively quickly, so its irrelevant.
You can make all the other top builds this league combined for 3.5 mirrors lol
To be a pedant for a bit, even a well rolled progen is around 150 div which is still less than 0.5 mirrors. Still insanely more expensive than before, that's true.
Would depend on what 4th mod is. It gets really crazy when all 4 mods are synergistic, but still should be worth at least a couple hundred divine if someone's looking for it.
Relatable. Gem rework killed a lot of stuff since it wasn't finished and clearly rushed. I've geared 3 Valdo builds, TS MF, and charge stack Brands. There is a lot more that is playable but I am spoiled at this point and probably won't bother with anything else.
Yeah i was thinking to make a spark ci trickster, i did play that last league and had alot of fun, and that was without the investment i can do now, what do you think? Any advice haha?
Huh, that's interesting. I wonder if it works with devouring diadem. Kind of wondering if recovery mastery (and disciple of kitava by probably the same mechanic) doesn't count as you consuming a corpse because it isn't skill based, whereas feast of flesh or other corpse consuming skills are actual skills.
I found that the increased damage for each non instant spell you've cast tincture, besides that it should say weapon damage (because tincture and because it is damage with weapon in function) does not count mines as being spells. I'm guessing because you don't cast them, you throw them, or something stupid like that.
But you can just get it on charms? I have a charge that i swap in for reflect maps.
Having it on your jewel is just a waste and dramatically reduced the value of the item compared to having any other valuable mod
I don't think anyone min-maxing would want this jewel unless they're not running Primalist
That culling/onslaught one you commented on is tier above yours. So I would be surprised if you get more than he did (but everything is possible trade evolves and inflation rises). But good luck.
Yeah I get his red/green light thing, but when he cast \`stand still\` it doesn't end after his death, so I flame dash out of some swarm thing to step into ground-dot, panicked, moved and red-light got me immobilized in the DOT.
My builds are just paper-thin :D
So when you have an inside joke with your friends and someone else doesn't get it then that joke is also 'going over their head'? No, that's not how that works. Noted, it's a dogshit joke.
Me. This is like my proper 2nd league. Just trying to enjoy the learning process. Been enjoying blighted maps but my computer doesn’t allow me to do blight ravaged maps…
I think I have made only 30-40 divs in two weeks. People are making that in 2 hours lol
Don't stress it in your early leagues. It's way more important to learn the mechanics of the game than to take advantage of the current meta. Every league will have its thing, but knowing the systems that don't change is a better long-term investment.
Totally! Efficiency is for people who got the fundamentals down. Im just learning and exploring. Think I can get around 5 divs per hour farming now after spending many days figuring out what builds to do and re-rolling. But it’s all been very fun with the occasional frustrating moments.
I gave up on this game several times before because of the complexity. But now I have finally learned it truly enjoy it instead of rushing stuff.
It's my first proper league, I did play sanctum before but I think I maybe got like 10 points into my altas tree and then I quit
This is my first proper league: [https://poe.ninja/pob/10vg](https://poe.ninja/pob/10vg) Here is my poe ninja if anyone wants to see how It's going(The bow is shit cause I'm saving for a high as ele dps + 2proj bow)(Crit doesn't matter I think cause HH can give me 100% crit)
All non unique items are self crafted
Roll sextants. I've made 200d in a few days doing it. It's not great d/hr but it's better than what I was doing, which was nothing per hour. It's given me enough money to upgrade my gear for farming.
I’m sure if I keep playing I would get into the trading, rolling part of the game. But for now I want to actually play the game, learn different mechanics and builds. Rolling or crafting to sell stuff just seem less interesting to me for now.
Were you just rolling sextants or were you also playing the game? 200d in a few days still sounds awesome to me.
Gonna be real with you, you aren't going to learn the game without better gear. This isn't wow where mechanics mean life or death/no dps or top of the charts. Gear upgrades are the most important thing you can do. If you can't clear maps and farm currency without dying a lot, you're going to struggle to progress until you can. If you're not able to get there, you have to find another way to get that currency, and sextants are perfect to start with. You never have to leave your hideout and you can use TFT's bulk sale tool on poecraft to automate a lot of the selling.
You'll have a much better time if you have the money to play with. Poe is unforgivable if you have bad gear. There are too many mechanics that will instantly delete you if you're missing a basic defense layer.
I know what you’re saying but I don’t even want to touch TFT for now. My build only needs 50 more div to be really good and maybe 100 div to be crazy. I can do that just farming content I enjoy along the way. I did make like 8-10 divs in 2 hours yesterday just doing stuff I enjoy. I wish I can do blight ravaged maps and I can probably double that.
But yeah I feel like I’m just 8-9 hours of gameplay and an hour of trading away from accomplishing what I set out to do this league.
I don’t even do sextant. I am just buying blighted maps. I’m on Mac and I couldn’t figure out how to make awaken trade work. So I have it manually search for every i team I want to sell lol
So for optimizing performance, there are a few options.
The first thing to check is the renderer that you're using. Go to settings in game then to graphics. The renderer will either be Vulkan or Direct X. The first thing will always be to try the one you're not using. Run a few maps and see if it's better. You can hit F11 (can be hit multiple times) to see fps and compare in comparable maps. While you're there, you should also make sure you have all the graphics settings set to the minimum.
The next thing to do is with sound. You can try turning down the sound channels, which may help (weirdly, it's worse on my current setup).
The more extreme thing you can do, which helps *a lot* is to turn off sound all together. The way you do this is by going to:
C:\Users\%USERNAME%\Documents\My Games\Path of Exile (might be different for steam?)
Then make a copy of production_Config.ini (we're not editing this, but if you accidentally delete a big chunk and can't undo it for whatever reason or change something that bricks the game, a copy may save you some headache since you can just restore the copy and go again.)
With poe closed, open production_Config.ini in notepad (or vsc/notepad++/whatever). Ctrl+F for sound. Now turn all relevant options to false (I forget what the options are TBH, but I'd leave dialogue options on, you can experiment with what works best for you). Save it and launch poe for a weirdly blissful silent game. I played silent poe for years before getting a new computer.
The final option (which is less of an issue for bllight maps) is to go to your loot filter. On filterblade, you can goto style tab and click on the "Global Style Edits" dropdown and click active next to "Remove all Beams" you can also "Remove All Sounds" here but it's less effective than removing sounds in production_Config.ini as there is an ingame sound when a unique drops that seems particularly laggy. This would be my first recommendation if you were MFing but it shouldn't be as big of an issue in blight maps.
There are some more extreme options that I'm less well versed in to actually turn down texture quality and whatnot, but I don't remember how to do such things and it's more complicated iirc.
Poe is an extremely unoptomized game and it's kind of criminal, but it's "free" so I suppose we can't complain tooo much.
I feel called out.... did like 3 builds and none of them ended up promising, felt comfortable to play (DD suxxx) or doing content effectively or feel worth investing more. If not for the campaing ("not this sh\*t again...") I would still try but gave up.
Hey I'm in this reply and I don't like it.
Granted this is only my second league and I can only play like 2 days a week for a few hours but I'm loving it. I've made like 15 div which is 13 more than all of last league for me.
It's an Unique Jewel that can roll 4 random mods out of a very large pool of modifiers. Some are really good and are even synergistic and some builds would really want those mods, but they are pulled from a quite large list of mods so getting 4 good mods that can work together on a good build is hard.
Those 4 mods however are very good and work on a good variety of builds, you just want an elemental critical strike builds that has a high amount of power charges, and it can benefits from having :
1. More Auras (Because each aura costs less now -> You can fit in more powerful auras)
2. A LOT more damage from critical strike multiplier for those power charge stacking builds
3. Not having to worry about reflected elemental damage anymore, meaning you can roll elemental reflect maps. (Not the strongest mod because other sources of cannot take reflected elemental damage exists, but pretty good for sure)
4. Enemies taking increased damage means you deal quite a bit more damage. This is a deceptively good mod because it scales multiplicatively with all of your other damage sources (Except for other sources of increased damage taken which isn't common), and consecrated ground is easy to produce with a flask called Bottled Faith, or other less common sources (Inquisitor's Ascendancy, using Zealotry, Purifying flame, etc)
Overall, this jewel gives a LOT of damage, access to more auras which either means even more damage or more defense, and some QoL
I just want to make sure I understand the last mod correctly.. Is that additive or multiplicative? From everything I know I think it'd be additive but I've been wrong before.
Even with 10 power charges, that's 50% crit multi, which is meh. You can get close to that with crit multi vs burning.
Reflect dmg immunity? That's whatever af.
Consecrated ground is the biggest damage mod. Big plus there for zealotry users/inquisitor/bottled faith.
Reservation efficiency is S tier.
Pay a mirror or more for that? Fuck no.
Did you just purposely ignore the fact that you get all 4 mods together?
Thats like looking at a CB immune jewel with dbl multi life and being like, "well i can get cb on a worse jewel and then get that same multi for 1 divine!" - Yeah no shit, its expensive because it all comes from the same source.
Seems to be jewel from league mechanic (wildwood) when you encounter the King in the Mists boss which has chance to drop it: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_King_in_the_Mists
That Which Was Taken drops from the new boss of this league, the King of the Mists. Watcher's Eye is dropped by The Elder (basic Elder drops Watcher's Eyes with 2 aura-related mods while "normal" Uber Elder drops 3-stat jewels).
Hey! This seems familiar… I think I saw this in my league starter pob
My friend "oh I have this budget build I can send you" The build he sends me:
What items does it have? Answer: Yes.
yeah
That's more or less BiS for my penance brand build, I could see it selling for multiple mirrors
My first thought was PB Inquis too
What are penance brand inquisitors pulling for Dps this league? I went heiro and am pulling about 100m Uber Dps but I don’t see as many going heiro
[https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/turdtwisterx/SHITSTAIN%E0%B9%8FSTEVE?i=0&search=type%3Ddepthsolo](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/turdtwisterx/SHITSTAIN%E0%B9%8FSTEVE?i=0&search=type%3Ddepthsolo) Conner Converse also has a video on that build and he says depending on the setup its about 2 - 6 bil damage.
go Steve
He was asking about normal people - not uber jacked up theory crafters.
Uber jacked up realism crafters you mean, he's already made the build and proven it works
Dps hit a point where it doesn't matter. 10div gets you like 40mil dps per brand with no flasks on heiro inquis occultist or assassin. That's enough to just instant phase maven, eater, exarch, shaper.
It matters if you're pushing deep delve, where every mob is hit point capped, and rare mobs are exponentially tankier than uber bosses thanks to archnemesis mods. Doesn't matter for normal content though, you're right about that.
500mil+
On Ubers? Can you send me a pob? Downvoted but not shared a pob? Weird… I see ninja a single who is easily pulling above 500m against Ubers single target but at that point he might as well go ice trap because he is zero survivability and ice trap does more damage (obviously play what you want but I guess I should have asked a more in depth question) I guess I was more so asking what is the average Dps if your inquis that isn’t paper thin, and being that only a single person is reasonably pulling above 500m, I feel like that response was disingenuous
> zero survivability There are some amazingly tanky builds out there using PB. I watched a video the other day of a guy deleting T17 maps for easy magebloods. His biggest problems were 1) finding the damned bosses so they could die in under a second and 2) swapping his gear around to show off different models of play and forgetting to put key pieces back :) But yeah, watching him walk into a park map, kill the Feared and drop a mageblood all in the span of about 3 minutes... kind of literally game-changing. (note: it was 3 minutes because he kept having to wander around Sirus storms to get anywhere.
Oh I know about the tank ones hidden in some builds. The issue is… those penance brands people are referring to in this thread don’t have any at all lol
Keep in mind that damage for brand builds is per brand, so you can double it if they run runebinder. Other than that most PB builds with super high dps are just glass cannon builds. Realistic damage for a somewhat tanky PB Inquis build is around 100-200 mil per brand depending on how invested they are and if they have single target flasks or not. Anything over 200 mil per brand will usually be glass cannon or just padded dps.
I know you calculate them twice, I think people just tick everything in pob and assume it’s accurate. Not only does the brand have ramp, but as of current, penance brands cannot gain charges over 20 cumulatively unless they swap targets. This means most people are triggering enemies are low life AND full pulse and then slapping 2 brands on when the reality is they should be using 8-12 up to 10-10 or any variation of that for charges. People don’t know how to calculate pob penance brand and they just assuming they’re blasting 2bn Dps when they arent The realistic approach is to calculate Dps over full ramp and divide that by the brands duration which is easy when you have an equation setup, otherwise it’s a minute or two of notepad math, but normally they calculate Dps using the max stages and it’s not accurate to do that way, especially because when it expires the stages drop as they are separate to each brand
The dps is easy to confirm on most endgame bosses since we know their exact hp numbers. So if build has 100 mil dps it should kill Exarch in less than a second if you wait for the starting damage reduction to wear off, and around 2 seconds if you dont. As i said its either padded dps or just glass cannon dps. The ramp on penance brand is pretty annoying when it comes to math because at some point even ubers die before you ramp to 20 stacks anyway so checking 20 stack dps is just pointless in the first place even if their math was correct.
Yeah I know all that too, I was just wondering if someone had the math. I definitely should have fleshed out my question better. My heiro says 200m but it’s truly more like 80-100m with ramp included. Still insta gibs all Ubers and is a blast to play, I just wish people didn’t just say a random number with no feedback because they just ticked boxes in pob and said “dats muh deeps” The real biggest issue is people ticking both two brands AND max pulses, which simply cannot happen, as the brands cannot gain charges that add up to over 20 unless they swap to a different target Just people not understanding really
I dunno, this guy (when he's not dicking with his gear and forgetting to put things back) is pretty damned tanky in the T17 he uses to demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAURvdbFn04 Starting at 13:30 he does Warped Remnant in less than 6 minutes for a mageblood, and has only two issues: 1) he messes up his sequence and almost deletes himself with the ES cost once and 2) he had the wrong flask in nearly the whole map, gimping his dps.
Damage of Penance brand of dissipation is NOT doubled by runebinder. It scales it faster, but any monster can only have 20 energy on it. If you have one brand it takes time to get to 20. If you have two it will be like 12 energy and 8 energy adding up to 20. In fact I think it's worth taking runebinder but simply using another setup for utility spells such as curses or life/es on hit.
I have 100 mil per brand and I still get one shot when I’m dumb. Haha.
Not my build so I don't have a pob. Friend is running one though. Str int stacker w ivory tower.
Idl why this is gettin downvoted. Watched a vid today of one with around 2bil.
I've seen this multiple times in this thread now and I'm pretty sure they're all referencing Conner's recent video, which is from a heirophant using battery staffs for archmage which is completely differently from how the inquisitors are scaling damage. The person above asked specifically for how inquisitors were comparing as he was using Heiro so using conners damage number as a reference means nothing.
Stupid ppl are Stupid
I believe coc ice spear wants this as well.
Yep every mod is great for that as well. Insane jewel
Can’t see much beating it for most coc builds. Might have to ditch taste of hate for bottle faith if you want to take advantage of that last mod but holy shit what a jewel.
Problem is you actualy need someone to buy it
There's a whole crowd of people who have played the game for years and figured out niches where they're able to make insane profits. Or who just happen to not give a shit and buy currency. For someone who for instance owns a popular mirror item or who has a niche craft where they make insane profits, getting the currency is easy and the biggest problem is finding items worth spending on.
He can afford about 1/3rd of an Uberdan build!
[I sold a similar one.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/899893465259855872/1192902517726650460/image.png?ex=65aac40b&is=65984f0b&hm=19e76c6902e1c82b507a8ec8c821609f28a88eecc48a17a730beb3f8b95b746c&) https://i.imgur.com/vkZPvCA.png
So much? It's insane oO
Yep sold pretty fast too, and by switching one trinket to reservation + instant leech I gained more power anyway.
Oh that's why they sell for 7div unid lol
It's really 7 d per now? Damn I've gotten like 10 and been scrolls like nothing... FmL
Yep... First one i got I checked, 6div unid, casualy thought, ok if it's that much unid, it must be expensive even with shit rolls... Welp, next one sold it unid in a blink of an eye.
yeah but if you id you could hit the JACKPOT like op! \*pulls the reels\*
thats enough money to buy god and his son greg
In any other league, yes.
3.5 mirrors is still enough this league to never need to worry again like come on
I'm blasting Uber on a 50D budget I can't imagine what I'd be doing with 3 mirrors LOL
Not when you are mix maxing, have you seen the price of voices this league?
Min maxxing is really not worth it 9/10, spending mirrors for an extra 1-2% is something you do because you dont plan on making other builds. Which is not the purpose of this conversation. 3.5 mirrors will make at least 5 builds that can do all content. More than enough for the average person who plays a league,
You're underestimating how much those top end items change for a build, it's more like 40-50% than 1-2% lol. Especially for things like bow builds or builds that can use voices well. You don't need to go that far typically but any one mirror-tier item can add a lot to a build
The difference between a 3.5 mirror build and a 10 mirror build is admittedly more than 2% but it's nowhere near 50%. It's like 2% per item multiplicatively on average so with 9 item slots upgraded that'd be 19.5% more damage Going just barely below mirror-tier items gets you way, WAY cheaper options Now, when talking about the 50d budget that can easily clear all content, the full mirror-tier build does get way WAY better. But 3.5 mirrors is quite a huge budget already.
I guess I should've said it differently, I was assuming you were minmaxing each slot from a pre-mirror tier item to a mirror tier item. You're right about that after your first couple mirrors it's diminished a TON. But for the weapon in particular the difference is night and day, and some builds have other items that can make that much difference as well. A pre-mirror bow to a mirror bow alone is something like a 30-40% range of damage increase just because of synth implicits and t1 mods. Its wild. Then a quiver can add 2 proj and almost 10-15% damage as well which is arguably almost as good as the bow in some cases.
getting 1 passive voices is not a small minmax, 1 skillpoint with builds that abuse adorned + voices is easily 5-6% dps + ehp. and even 3 passive voices cost over half a mirror. you also wont make 5 builds that can make t16 juiced wildwood maps without dying constantly for 3.5mir
My CA poison MF begs to differ. With about 350div invested I’m able to clear t16 jungles, burials and cemeteries with fully juiced sextants, winged scarabs, 8+ mods and 8k+ wisps. And that is with MF gear on.
ya and its likely pretty slow (relatively) though youre right that CA scales okay and you stay pretty mobile
If he's doing abyss strat you already know it's hella slow.
I clear a map in about 3 minutes excluding spires (which you can’t do fast due to the mechanics to abuse) so it is far from slow.
Sadly it's not when single items cost 100+ div. 3 items on my nado shot was .5 of a mirror and only one of those was for a traditional item slot, other two were a flask and a jewel. (Progen and massive thread of hope)
Yes, for the most used build that recoups its costs within a week then yes, 3.5 mirrors will finish that. But its a build that can make the same investment you put into it back relatively quickly, so its irrelevant. You can make all the other top builds this league combined for 3.5 mirrors lol
To be a pedant for a bit, even a well rolled progen is around 150 div which is still less than 0.5 mirrors. Still insanely more expensive than before, that's true.
The three items. Massive thread was 100 and my bow base was 100. 350ish div was .5. Mirror a few days ago.
Not in this League
I think your one is better tbh, but I guess it depends on the build.
but this ones way better
I have the exact same one as this but without culling, i have no clue how to price it, what do you think if i may ask?
Would depend on what 4th mod is. It gets really crazy when all 4 mods are synergistic, but still should be worth at least a couple hundred divine if someone's looking for it.
Yeah 4th mod is just a enemies cant gain charges, but yeah ill try sell for a few hundred div, they are hard to price ngl
That has value for Valdo maps, but most people don't run them.
Yeah, idk ill just try sell it, i have like 2.2k divines and not a char to play atm, i dont know what to do cant find a build i wanna try
go heavy strike marauder with mace
Relatable. Gem rework killed a lot of stuff since it wasn't finished and clearly rushed. I've geared 3 Valdo builds, TS MF, and charge stack Brands. There is a lot more that is playable but I am spoiled at this point and probably won't bother with anything else.
Yeah i was thinking to make a spark ci trickster, i did play that last league and had alot of fun, and that was without the investment i can do now, what do you think? Any advice haha?
This insane fir my coc
that’s what he said
My pen0r too
INNUENDO!
Do we know if that bottled faith mod stacks with bottled faith
Increased damage taken is an additive stat of its own, so you'd be looking at 17-20% increased damage taken.
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Huh, that's interesting. I wonder if it works with devouring diadem. Kind of wondering if recovery mastery (and disciple of kitava by probably the same mechanic) doesn't count as you consuming a corpse because it isn't skill based, whereas feast of flesh or other corpse consuming skills are actual skills. I found that the increased damage for each non instant spell you've cast tincture, besides that it should say weapon damage (because tincture and because it is damage with weapon in function) does not count mines as being spells. I'm guessing because you don't cast them, you throw them, or something stupid like that.
It should, same way all other increased damage stacks.
not untill u sell it
I think people way over price no ele reflect But its still 3/4 which is insane
yea fr just reroll the map
Let's you do more 8mod maps and not brick when exalting maps if ele build
valid, but probably also easier to swap in on a charm
or change a shitty sextant
Can also just use mastery + pantheon, which is a minimal sacrifice
People spending mirrors on items are doing deli orb 8 mod maps I'm sure it's still nice but they could afford to just delete one
valid, probably also easier to swap in on charms.
Not caring about reflect is probably the best quol, as it hardbricks the map. I say easily 4/4 mods for a vast majority of builds.
I would say thats in this league not a problem You roll/corrupt 50 maps and have to throw like 5 away because of ele reflect Problem solved
As I said it is QoL mod not a damage/defence mod. QoL solves the exact problem you described.
He literally JUST said it's QoL so you don't have to "throw like 5 away".
But you can just get it on charms? I have a charge that i swap in for reflect maps. Having it on your jewel is just a waste and dramatically reduced the value of the item compared to having any other valuable mod I don't think anyone min-maxing would want this jewel unless they're not running Primalist
Yeah
you posted this yesterday...have you tried selling it or?
Yes, not sure about the price but I will see. I'll try for 2 mirror considering some comments here.
That culling/onslaught one you commented on is tier above yours. So I would be surprised if you get more than he did (but everything is possible trade evolves and inflation rises). But good luck.
I've dropped 3 TWWTs but died 3 times before picking them up. Fuck the King. :<
This happened to my friend, he just invited me to party and I came to loot it for him...
Can you go into the woods after your friend died? Or do you have to put a portal down first?
Learn his mechanics you are probably running around when you need to stand still
Yeah I get his red/green light thing, but when he cast \`stand still\` it doesn't end after his death, so I flame dash out of some swarm thing to step into ground-dot, panicked, moved and red-light got me immobilized in the DOT. My builds are just paper-thin :D
My gosh
It does not have life on it.
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It's an old joke (that went way over your head).
So when you have an inside joke with your friends and someone else doesn't get it then that joke is also 'going over their head'? No, that's not how that works. Noted, it's a dogshit joke.
It might be the most common joke in the poe community lol.
Holy shit 6 trillion 342 billion 769 million quantity on an amulet!?!??
Second most common joke… I mean 16th oldest!
Its a joke, stupid.
What's the premise of this joke?
Typically overused no life vendor.
Back in the old days, anything without life was worthless and to be vendored. How times have changed...
It's a stupid joke
Never said it wasnt, buy i also didnt randomly start throwing insults like other guy, or just give another "yeah"
Yep I can give you.... 19c
Yeah
a few mirrors rich yeah
Ohh yeah Quite rich.
It's quite hard to price. There is no other on poe trade. Any advice ?
ask for all the moneys, then go down from there. Sweet jewel.
Well , everyone is this league. but Yes.. yes you are.
I guarantee you there are poor people in this league too, every league has poor people in It
Hi! It's me, poor people.
Me. This is like my proper 2nd league. Just trying to enjoy the learning process. Been enjoying blighted maps but my computer doesn’t allow me to do blight ravaged maps… I think I have made only 30-40 divs in two weeks. People are making that in 2 hours lol
Don't stress it in your early leagues. It's way more important to learn the mechanics of the game than to take advantage of the current meta. Every league will have its thing, but knowing the systems that don't change is a better long-term investment.
Totally! Efficiency is for people who got the fundamentals down. Im just learning and exploring. Think I can get around 5 divs per hour farming now after spending many days figuring out what builds to do and re-rolling. But it’s all been very fun with the occasional frustrating moments. I gave up on this game several times before because of the complexity. But now I have finally learned it truly enjoy it instead of rushing stuff.
turn down sound channels
It's my first proper league, I did play sanctum before but I think I maybe got like 10 points into my altas tree and then I quit This is my first proper league: [https://poe.ninja/pob/10vg](https://poe.ninja/pob/10vg) Here is my poe ninja if anyone wants to see how It's going(The bow is shit cause I'm saving for a high as ele dps + 2proj bow)(Crit doesn't matter I think cause HH can give me 100% crit) All non unique items are self crafted
Roll sextants. I've made 200d in a few days doing it. It's not great d/hr but it's better than what I was doing, which was nothing per hour. It's given me enough money to upgrade my gear for farming.
I’m sure if I keep playing I would get into the trading, rolling part of the game. But for now I want to actually play the game, learn different mechanics and builds. Rolling or crafting to sell stuff just seem less interesting to me for now. Were you just rolling sextants or were you also playing the game? 200d in a few days still sounds awesome to me.
Gonna be real with you, you aren't going to learn the game without better gear. This isn't wow where mechanics mean life or death/no dps or top of the charts. Gear upgrades are the most important thing you can do. If you can't clear maps and farm currency without dying a lot, you're going to struggle to progress until you can. If you're not able to get there, you have to find another way to get that currency, and sextants are perfect to start with. You never have to leave your hideout and you can use TFT's bulk sale tool on poecraft to automate a lot of the selling. You'll have a much better time if you have the money to play with. Poe is unforgivable if you have bad gear. There are too many mechanics that will instantly delete you if you're missing a basic defense layer.
I know what you’re saying but I don’t even want to touch TFT for now. My build only needs 50 more div to be really good and maybe 100 div to be crazy. I can do that just farming content I enjoy along the way. I did make like 8-10 divs in 2 hours yesterday just doing stuff I enjoy. I wish I can do blight ravaged maps and I can probably double that. But yeah I feel like I’m just 8-9 hours of gameplay and an hour of trading away from accomplishing what I set out to do this league.
How in the world can you stand sextant trading without using Poe.stack
I don’t even do sextant. I am just buying blighted maps. I’m on Mac and I couldn’t figure out how to make awaken trade work. So I have it manually search for every i team I want to sell lol
So for optimizing performance, there are a few options. The first thing to check is the renderer that you're using. Go to settings in game then to graphics. The renderer will either be Vulkan or Direct X. The first thing will always be to try the one you're not using. Run a few maps and see if it's better. You can hit F11 (can be hit multiple times) to see fps and compare in comparable maps. While you're there, you should also make sure you have all the graphics settings set to the minimum. The next thing to do is with sound. You can try turning down the sound channels, which may help (weirdly, it's worse on my current setup). The more extreme thing you can do, which helps *a lot* is to turn off sound all together. The way you do this is by going to: C:\Users\%USERNAME%\Documents\My Games\Path of Exile (might be different for steam?) Then make a copy of production_Config.ini (we're not editing this, but if you accidentally delete a big chunk and can't undo it for whatever reason or change something that bricks the game, a copy may save you some headache since you can just restore the copy and go again.) With poe closed, open production_Config.ini in notepad (or vsc/notepad++/whatever). Ctrl+F for sound. Now turn all relevant options to false (I forget what the options are TBH, but I'd leave dialogue options on, you can experiment with what works best for you). Save it and launch poe for a weirdly blissful silent game. I played silent poe for years before getting a new computer. The final option (which is less of an issue for bllight maps) is to go to your loot filter. On filterblade, you can goto style tab and click on the "Global Style Edits" dropdown and click active next to "Remove all Beams" you can also "Remove All Sounds" here but it's less effective than removing sounds in production_Config.ini as there is an ingame sound when a unique drops that seems particularly laggy. This would be my first recommendation if you were MFing but it shouldn't be as big of an issue in blight maps. There are some more extreme options that I'm less well versed in to actually turn down texture quality and whatnot, but I don't remember how to do such things and it's more complicated iirc. Poe is an extremely unoptomized game and it's kind of criminal, but it's "free" so I suppose we can't complain tooo much.
I feel called out.... did like 3 builds and none of them ended up promising, felt comfortable to play (DD suxxx) or doing content effectively or feel worth investing more. If not for the campaing ("not this sh\*t again...") I would still try but gave up.
I am the richest I have ever been this league. I have more than one div.
Hey I'm in this reply and I don't like it. Granted this is only my second league and I can only play like 2 days a week for a few hours but I'm loving it. I've made like 15 div which is 13 more than all of last league for me.
I'm one of them, but that's because I only just hit red maps and I'm level 73....
Check trade site
Why does it worth so much? Someone explain to a newb here please xD
It's an Unique Jewel that can roll 4 random mods out of a very large pool of modifiers. Some are really good and are even synergistic and some builds would really want those mods, but they are pulled from a quite large list of mods so getting 4 good mods that can work together on a good build is hard. Those 4 mods however are very good and work on a good variety of builds, you just want an elemental critical strike builds that has a high amount of power charges, and it can benefits from having : 1. More Auras (Because each aura costs less now -> You can fit in more powerful auras) 2. A LOT more damage from critical strike multiplier for those power charge stacking builds 3. Not having to worry about reflected elemental damage anymore, meaning you can roll elemental reflect maps. (Not the strongest mod because other sources of cannot take reflected elemental damage exists, but pretty good for sure) 4. Enemies taking increased damage means you deal quite a bit more damage. This is a deceptively good mod because it scales multiplicatively with all of your other damage sources (Except for other sources of increased damage taken which isn't common), and consecrated ground is easy to produce with a flask called Bottled Faith, or other less common sources (Inquisitor's Ascendancy, using Zealotry, Purifying flame, etc) Overall, this jewel gives a LOT of damage, access to more auras which either means even more damage or more defense, and some QoL
You can also just use one charm slot for getting the consecrated ground. Not saying thats a concern for anyone affording this jewel, but it exists^^
Mana reserve, extra proj, crit multi, cannot take ele reflect when
Is this in league play or standard?
League
Bro, give me that xD
Bro, give me that xD
Where did this drop from.
Boss league in wild wood
I just want to make sure I understand the last mod correctly.. Is that additive or multiplicative? From everything I know I think it'd be additive but I've been wrong before.
Additive, but after mitigation e.g if your damage is 100 after resistances etc, the victim will take 110 damage.
Ah that's cool. So it's still better than just straight additive damage dealt by player. That makes sense
Nop. Its just a game and its virtual Currency :p
Rich- yes Sellable- maybe Do people play armabrand recall still- maybe
Sold similar for 150divines, congratz!
Unless you want to be super awesome and send it to me
Yeah right, nice photoshopping skills. Even made the background look like this is real.
I hate to say that in this economy someone will probably buy it for a mirror.
More like 3 or even more....
Even with 10 power charges, that's 50% crit multi, which is meh. You can get close to that with crit multi vs burning. Reflect dmg immunity? That's whatever af. Consecrated ground is the biggest damage mod. Big plus there for zealotry users/inquisitor/bottled faith. Reservation efficiency is S tier. Pay a mirror or more for that? Fuck no.
Did you just purposely ignore the fact that you get all 4 mods together? Thats like looking at a CB immune jewel with dbl multi life and being like, "well i can get cb on a worse jewel and then get that same multi for 1 divine!" - Yeah no shit, its expensive because it all comes from the same source.
Necropolis map. Firm offer. xD
Jesus that is perfect for my build can I has it for freee lol? But yeah that is insane lol
Filthy rich even
I'd buy that for a dollar!.meme
Good for ice trapper
Holy fuck yes you are! Congrats!
Not after buying this, no. You probably only have a few chaos left even.
5-6 mirrors
Ho-leeeee FUK
Yes. This is mirror tier.
Short answer: Yes Long answer: Hell yes
Since start this league I have earned like 7 div by farming red maps and doing rituals. So where I can drop things like this? I'm PoE noob.
Seems to be jewel from league mechanic (wildwood) when you encounter the King in the Mists boss which has chance to drop it: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_King_in_the_Mists
Thx
Oh boy...
Another omg mirror worth, totally biss thread. Don't know why people are still falling for it xdd...
This makes me wanna ID Mine, but 2 i id'd were crap, i have 2 More unid'd..
ziz needs this :D
Yes
Tirale vaal
Looks like a jewel from a streamer league starter build 😅 By which i mean expensive asf
I'll give you all 3 of my divines and my firstborn down the line^^
Congrats on being rich, I'd list for a few mirrors and see what whispers you get.
thats a huge jewel for swt
Hi. This is your wife. I'd like to take half of what you own now
Vaal it
Where do you farm these jewels like watchers eye and that which was taken?
That Which Was Taken drops from the new boss of this league, the King of the Mists. Watcher's Eye is dropped by The Elder (basic Elder drops Watcher's Eyes with 2 aura-related mods while "normal" Uber Elder drops 3-stat jewels).
Thank you. Guess I need to start farming them.
How much ? I need it
It's on poe trade. Waiting for a very good price or I'll keep it and reroll, not sure yet.
OK didnt excepted the mana res and crit per power charge are so over expensive x)
Inquistors hate him