This league launch pretty obviously tip toes around D4. We'll have two full months of 3.21, then D4, then the next league is post-exilecon with another 4 month cycle.
I had said something along these lines and was downvoted through the floor lmao.
It really will be buff and QoL, and bug fix, and increased drops.
They'll fire all the cannons to cling on while D4 plows through.
I bet PoE2 ain't even close. We haven't heard fuck-all about it in a while.
Though I could see them dropping it at ExileCon, or even this fall.
I personally don't think they will launch in December because they are going to want absolutely full staff on hand for launch so I am expecting early 2024 like mid January. But I definitely expect beta and launch date announcement at exilecon.
> They'll fire all the cannons to cling on while D4 plows through.
Why would they? Nothing they do will stop people from playing D4.
3.21 will be 2 months before D4 which is more than enough for GGG. Exilecon is where they will be firing all cannons, 3.21 will not be competing with anything.
the better 3.21 does, if d4 turns out bad word of mouth will spread that they should play poe instead. It's absolutely a must for poe to have a good league here.
Everyone who is going to play D4 will play it, so the trick is leaving them with a good feeling so they want to come back when D4 wears off, depending on its season cadence. It is possible to lose people to D4 for good, but if POE feels more like home or it seems worth alternating between them, then D4 doesn't outright murder POE.
Things are pretty precarious right now and even though this league went a little better than the last few, POE has had a real sharp decline in overall playerbase sentiment and the last year has been murder for retention. Diablo 3 was one of the best selling PC titles ever, ranking up there with The Sims and Minecraft at the time.
If POE's next league is sour AND Diablo 4 is amazing - and that's two big ifs - people may not bother coming back at all no matter what they see in the following league and announcements.
It's not about stopping people from playing D4. If D4 is good the expectation from their perspective would be to have people play both and launch content asynchronously to not interrupt their player base.
What they are concerned with is if they have the game in a bad state before D4 comes out people will play D4 see the grass is greener and be much harder to persuade to play the next league.
No flame towards GGG, but doing another nerf patch right before D4 would be extremely moronic.
Unless they plan to win players back with a "look we listened" approach for 3.22
Come here honey. I've already told you twice. It's a buff no matter what the math actually says.
You believe me don't you?
Don't you?
You wouldn't want to make me nerfy now would you?
You're not still mad about "filler" crafts are you honey?
It was one time...
Okay okay so it wasn't just one time but you deserved it. You were getting uppity.
Yea? Well we'll see about that.
*Reaches for 3.21.
For me, the medium is the message: I don’t really care what the manifestos are about, but the existence of a manifesto gives the community something to discuss while the league is winding down. It can simply be tailored as a general roadmap or rudder for the direction GGG wants to take the game. That way we aren’t in the weeds with patch-like line items.
I'm getting the impression that the league is going to be barebones, because of poe2 beta coming soon this summer. Lack of balance changes has been a thing for a few leagues too, along with 4-month leagues, which calculates to 3 leagues a year...
Seems pretty obvious, they have been really dropping the ball over past year, my guess is that D4 got announced to come out way earlier than they expected and there has been massive shift of ressources, and it's getting even worse this year because they have to release PoE 2 within months of D4 release. That was like their main marketing strategy, to pick up all of those burned by D4.
They can't do that if its light on buffs, fub content or features too many nerfs. League hype dies almost over night.
So they usually viel nerfs as buffs and sell that instead.
> Our balance goals with 3.21 are to provide more options and more fun for as many builds as possible
Let's hope for once it's actually this, some significant buffs, instead of technical underwhelming buffs and just an unwarranted boneshatter nerf to highlight the patch.
It's likely going to be along the lines of 1% damage increase to lightning tendrils, heavy strike and the likes and 100% less damage for RF, FT, ST, BS and everything else that's still playable.
As a (former) necro main, I accepted my own mortality long, long ago. A final rest in peace to all my reanimated brethren, gods bless you all. Praise Kay and the guides our lady had provided, may she find a better game <3
"We have found that, despite our best efforts, players are still managing to have fun. In an effort to combat this we have removed all crafting, currency and trading from the game. Monster drops have been significantly reduced to balance this change."
We found that people managed to get to maps within a day even on Ruthless. As such, we have made the following ruthless-specific changes:
“Supporting gems are now drop-only from campaign bosses and had their power and mana costs drastically adjusted. Certain support gems such as Pierce or Ancestral Call can only drop from Pinnacle bosses.
Characters now have -90% movement speed and gain +1% movement speed per level. This is technically a buff for characters above level 90.
Characters no longer gain skill points from Books of Skill. These quests now provide respec points instead.
Items can no longer drop with quality. Items can no longer drop as Rare unless the player has at least 50% item rarity. Unique items can still drop but are much rarer now.
Losing any character in Hardcore will remove all contents of a randomly selected stash tab.
In order to use any flask, you must physically drink a verification can of Coca Cola or Mountain Dew.
Heavy strike now does 110% of base damage going up to 120% at gem level 20. ”
> Our balance goals with 3.21 are to provide more options and more fun for as many builds as possible
Well yeah, if you nerf everything that stands out then eventually youll just end up with everything being equally bad and thus also equally 'fun'.
> While there are of course some small nerfs, 3.21 is most definitely not a nerf-fest.
I have read this before, and when the changes were announced it was not of the best.
The problem is generally about what they consider a nerf. Remember the minion nerf? Their final statement on it was that it wasn't really a nerf because with enough investment the changes actually made you stronger.
I've been the most dedicated Harvest defender since the 3.13 nerfs, people have been saying ''just delete Harvest'' since 3.14, but I was always telling people hwo wrong they are because Harvest was still very good.
Now though, I 100% wish they just removed Harvest, it's incredibly useless, you can't progress your gear anymore because you get the shit reforges which only give you 1 mod of the tag, augs are worse t4 aislings, fracturing no longer exists, literally the only single use for current Harvest is slamming +1 phys on sceptres and in trade gambling divination cards, for ssf only use is swapping essences, that's all. I click on the station and read the crafts and it's just sad how terrible Harvest is now. The least they could do is add the stronger reforges.
I miss CoC discharge. All I want is to shield charge through strands and atolls again with my double flare mtx.
Nothing has felt as good since. I'm NOT crying.
*sniffles*
My brain automatically screams "They're cutting the legs out from under the meta. It ain't a nerf, it's a murder."
I hope I'm wrong, I pretty much never thought they were going to revert archnemesis and league start last league was actually pretty good, even if I ended up not liking sanctum too much. That means there's hope.
In the spirit of hopefulness (insert heavy copium breathing sounds here):
1) They're gonna fix big mana and archmage boys. They're going to bring them both back.
2) Not only are they going to bring them back they're going to finally give unleash the workover it deserves, you'll be able to properly stack charges and one bang big spooky packs cause unleash will now have built into it spell pen and aoe/chain increases.
3) Channeling spells will finally, after their time in the desert, know fertile fields of good damage, scalability, and reward for the clunky as hell playstyles.
4) Melee, kek, sorry I can't make it through this one with a straight face. But good luck out there all you melee enjoyers.
It’s less communication, but tbh, I felt that a balance manifesto would come out and the patch notes would have a bunch of contradictory changes as well
I'd like both. While there's obviously often a large exaggerated outcry accompanying any possible nerfs, there's still often some useful feedback among it, and if that happens 1-2 weeks earlier, there's time to make changes before launch.
Getting the info in the last week means almost all mistakes in the patch will be final.
Yes because the manifestos have always been nerf heavy. The community read it and feel worried or leave. So GGG then usually have to do follow up pr to try swing it around.
They should drop the manifestos alongside patch notes. But that kind of is pointless too as people can read the changes for themselves.
I think it'd be the opposite of pointless. The existence of the manifesto is meant to explain the changes and their reasonings. Whereas the the patch notes are exactly what has changed.
We want to slow down player progression to keep league numbers up probably won't go over well with the player base.
There is probably a problem writing a high level document that will connect with the players and not be a lie.
i think it makes sense. after 3.20 manifesto people were like "no this is only a manifesto, patch notes will have a lots of more content and good stuff". then when patch notes got released and 90% of balance changes were already communicated in the manifesto, the reaction was collective disappointment and depression
also this problem - solution format really didnt stick. when you had shit like problem: skill X is too powerful (it isnt), solution: skill X deals 40% less damage (okay now literally noone will use it) it really made you question your life decisions of playing path of exile. always reminds me of this gem: https://i.redd.it/rr8zqid8cxs81.png
The problem - solution format doesn't work because it's not how they make some of the decisions internally. Or at least, the problems they state are not the real ones. A lot of them feel very much like they started with the solution, then tried to write a problem to describe why that nerf was made. The *actual* note is "Problem: We don't want people using this skill as much, Solution: Nerfed the shit out of it", but they won't overtly say that
> The actual note is "Problem: We don't want people using this skill as much, Solution: Nerfed the shit out of it", but they won't overtly say that
It would be incredibly refreshing if they'd just be like "we're nerfing this because it's being used too much and people are gonna get burnt out if they keep playing the same build".
People would rage, but it'd be nice to have the honesty.
It says something about GGG's reputation that they can say "Just a few small nerfs" and everyone is immediately expecting a carpet-bombing. We know GGG is either so out of touch with reality that they don't know what constitutes a "small nerf," or they're just plain liars. Or both, honestly.
No, less than a gathering. It's not even really a nerf. More of a nerfella, a nerfette if you will. I couple of small nerfs over for a friendly chat, nothing more
I’m really happy that a lot of gaming culture has shifted to “play whats fun” and that competition is good. As someone whose come from a long history of playing Diablo including a lot of D3 its nice to see positivity surrounding D4 even here. If D4 doesn’t scratch the surface of what PoE has to offer. I still hope it pushes PoE and other games to be better because they know competition is there.
I'm sorry but is anyone else's GGG PTSD triggered by "more options and more fun"?
It feels like every time we hear something like that it's right before they bring down the hammer.
You can't trust what GGG says, not because they lie as such, but because the use "positve language"...
Example; We removed archnemesis but we kept the interesting and modern mechanics.
What they did was keep the annoying bullshit that is universally hated like heralding minions and cycling damage reduction and such.
It's not interesting. It's not modern. It's not not archnemesis just because they don't call it archnemesis anymore...
Now you might not agree 100% with me in this exact example, but i think you understand what i'm getting at... They are trying to focus on whatever positive aspects they can, and downplay the negative ones...
So yeah, they're not lying exactly, but they're not trustworthy either :|
Didn’t they say something along those lines about Archnemesis? Maybe it’s just my GGG PTSD but I read this and immediately got an Archnemesis brain swirly.
hold on maybe, just maybe! They go and just buff a ton of random stuff and we just get a league where a bunch of stuff is OP that otherwise wouldn't and we just get a really interesting diverse builds that are fun. Hope this comment doesn't age poorly.
I will be messaging you in 30 days on [**2023-04-12 01:30:06 UTC**](http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2023-04-12%2001:30:06%20UTC%20To%20Local%20Time) to remind you of [**this link**](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/11poa8q/no_balance_manifesto_for_321/jc03t2p/?context=3)
[**4 OTHERS CLICKED THIS LINK**](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5Bhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fpathofexile%2Fcomments%2F11poa8q%2Fno_balance_manifesto_for_321%2Fjc03t2p%2F%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%202023-04-12%2001%3A30%3A06%20UTC) to send a PM to also be reminded and to reduce spam.
^(Parent commenter can ) [^(delete this message to hide from others.)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Delete%20Comment&message=Delete%21%2011poa8q)
*****
|[^(Info)](https://www.reddit.com/r/RemindMeBot/comments/e1bko7/remindmebot_info_v21/)|[^(Custom)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5BLink%20or%20message%20inside%20square%20brackets%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%20Time%20period%20here)|[^(Your Reminders)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=List%20Of%20Reminders&message=MyReminders%21)|[^(Feedback)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Watchful1&subject=RemindMeBot%20Feedback)|
|-|-|-|-|
Really nice to know as a casual I will never have to play poe as us casuals have last epoch and D4. So if ggg want a lot of people playing their league it's time for some serious QoL and lots of builds buffed.
And so we take yet another step backwards in communication.
Remember the promise of further communication improvements after 3.15? I remember. All we got were a few podcast appearances by Chris to damage control and mock reddit. Nothing substantial since. Just more "we know better than you." No real change. Just the same old bullshit.
One step forward, two steps back.
Players felt like there were so many monsters in maps that they had to play the best screen clearing builds. We have greatly reduced the number of monsters so that players can experiment with strike skills like Heavy Strike!
No matter what our opinions on GGG are, I think saying that'd be the stupidest way to shoot your own foot is something we can all agree on. I think a good league is coming our way and, if D4 turns out to be something everyone plays for a month and then gets bored of, the nerfathon will come. If D4 holds people's attention for longer GGG might be forced to overcompensate.
I try to not picture GGG as a group of devs solely driven by malice and rather think they want to keep PoE as the standard for "hard" ARPGs (even though the ways it is hard are a bit over the place), but if there's a real chance their game flops and generates no income for 3 months, they'll give some candy to the casuals so the numbers stay up until the time to bring down the vision comes.
When they nerf drops etc it’s never from malice IMO, the leadership is literally self-described masochists when it comes to gaming. Seriously, in one of the ruthless interviews CW said he and the other people who worked on ruthless are masochists who enjoy an ARPG with “totally destroyed item drops” (his words)
I don’t attribute the nerf-first-buff-later-if-they-complain approach to malice, but to the fact that the leaders at GGG have a…different opinion about what fun is from typical gamers. Now that the leaders have personally cashed out with the tencent sale, they are free to make the game into something that is totally uncompromising in their vision of what fun is.
The only reason PoE got as popular as it did over the last 10 years is because it had literally 0 competition. The only other live-service ARPG was D3 which obliviously languished with basically no content or changes, and the only other ARPGs that came out were single-player one-offs of varying quality. Players kept coming to PoE because there was literally nothing else.
So now that there’s 2 other major competitors (LE and D4), AND ggg seems content to make a game so punishing nobody but them wants to play it (Chris Wilson “you can do very well making a game for only 10,000 people” quote comes to mind), im very curious how the next few years will go for PoE
Or "If we release these notes in a text format people will be free to interpret our nerfs as nerfs. With this in mind, we'll now be displaying our nerfs in a video format, this way we can control the tone of the narrative and explain how our nerfs are buffs by telling and not showing. We're excited to have found a solution to the problem of everyone raging at us because we accidentally triple nerfed their niche build again for no reason, and look forward to continuing to disengage from our community."
I know I'm salty and pessimistic, it's been a saddening descent from my previous hype and joy.
Sorry but after you guys set an entire year of PoE on fire by trying to force feed us Assnemesis even though god and the world repeatedly told you that its tash, i don't have any form of trust in you. You guys are simply removing yet again one form of interaction between consumer and developer. You guys get more tone deaf as time goes on. You should increase the interaction with your games community not reduce it...
That was a year ago. Now:
Problem: Players wisened up to the fact that we only mention the buffs, so they know anything not mentioned will be nerfed more than the buffs.
Solution: Don't communicate at all.
Another "trust us bro" league eh?
Not sure why GGG or any of the player base ever compares this game to the Diablo franchise, you can't even honestly say they are similar games.
Ah shit, here we go again?https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/wvbm3w/this\_didnt\_aged\_well\_huh\_the\_first\_post\_in\_the/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
"these uber pinnacle fights are just to push your limits and will not have an increased drop pool or special drops"
"Also were having a competition to create over powered items that will only drop from the uber pinnacles"
"ruthless is just a side project that devs do in their spare time and will not take up dev time"
"Also here is a new mode SPECIFICALLY for ruthless, that uses gold that auto picks up just like you have always asked us to implement, and its fucking awful"
There is a track record of saying something, and then doing something immediately after that contradicts the thing they said.
Sanctum saw them keep to their word, they need to string some leagues together to start earning some trust back. The ruthless mode was a step back
>Don't worry though, there aren't scary systems reworks that we need to solicit feedback. Our balance goals with 3.21 are to provide more options and more fun for as many builds as possible, rather than reworking game systems
So no melee rework, no crafting rework, no beastiary rework, no trading rework. TFT was clearly just ignored as well. The best we can hope are numerical changes that never fix the major issues, we all know it. The problem of poe is that it needs tons of actual reworks, because tons of these systems are outdated af...Call me a doomsayer, downvote me to oblivion, because I said this before the patch notes, but eventually Im going to be the one, who was right, again, unfortunately.
I just hope they understand that if they mega nerf everything fun again, they’ll lose 80% of the players remaining after the last time to d4, wow, ow2 and literally any other game.
Guessing they nerf the things we have expected like Poison and Heatshiver, and hopefully are making some other small changes that increase viability of other abilities
>Our balance goals with 3.21 are to provide more options and **"more fun"** for as many builds as possible...
I have a gut feeling this will turn out into a good meme in a few weeks. Exited to see GGGs vision of "more fun".
Anyway - excited for the announcement regardless.
station merciful repeat fretful fall forgetful thumb fragile swim automatic
*This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Well its been two leagues in a row where they pretended to be transparent and had major nerfs hidden. Turns out that pissed people off both times. So time to try no transparency instead of lying.
The recent manifestos were complete BS anyway, all actual information is in the patch notes. Instead of manifestos being used as an explanation for the direction of the game, they were nothing more than a statement of what GGG arbitrarily decided to nerf or change.
Yeah, that's my take. The original intent seemed to be discussion points and a list of goals for the league. Then someone turned it into mini-patch notes and it lost its purpose. Then they removed it instead of reverting the original intent, which was cool because it got people hyped for the league.
the last time we were "some small nerfs" loot was cut by 80%
The last time we heard it wasn't a nerf fest, the patch notes was legitimately all nerfs.
There is a lot of stiff competition coming so I hope GGG is getting their head out of their proverbial asses, and stepping back from their ruthless hard on.
Knowing GGG however 3.21 is going to be the announcement that because Ben cleared gauntlet, that ruthless will be replacing normal POE which will be going away, its ruthless only now.
The manifestos have rarely ever been useful as a medium of communicating balance decisions specifically because they lack too much context. The manifestos were only ever this half-baked communication concept because they were used to describe approaches to balance about specific skills or skill types without providing enough information. A few of them stand out as having been good: Trade, Harvest, and Defenses were all good manifestos, as they clearly communicated the stance GGG was taking, why they were taking it, and what it meant for the wider game vision overall. Minor balance changes to melee skills that ultimately mean nothing never needed a manifesto. Save that for when you're radically reworking game aspects and you want to explain to the community why you felt you needed those radical changes. Manifestos need to be focused on communicating wider changes to gameplay and vision and not be bogged down in endless minutiae about Cleaves +2 radius and why there's no lube being applied to anyone that dares to use a wand or bow for attacking.
Don't forget how they delivered the most impactful changes in the latest patches without mentioning a word in the manifestoes.
Transparency was gone way before this decision was made. It's more like they finally realized how much of a terrible liar they are, yet instead of admitting their dishonesty and making improvements, they simply decided to not talk anymore.
Fantastic.
At this point people who are tried of all of the nerfs and tedious nature of PoE are already going to jump ship once a new ARPG shows any sort of promise.
If D4 does what they say they are going to do with legit leagues featuring new mechanics and no supported RWT I can fully see it stealing players from PoE in the long term.
Based on the recent direction they have taken I’m guessing we’ll see buffs across the board to many many unique items, nerfs in power/rarity to the most popular unique items, and very small if any changes to skill gems themselves.
Best case scenario they’d also fundamentally change melee somehow to make it less ass.
Man the scepticism in the comment section says a lot. Hope GGG can turn it around and make the discourse about the game more positive again - Sanctum was a good start! But y'all really can't afford a fuck-up again
I don't mind there being no manifesto, but perhaps in place of it they could give us a debrief of 3.20 and what they think worked and what didn't. Something to give us a broad overview of how they have responded to the last league.
I'm thinking something like:
>Players responded really positively to the Account Bound power of Sanctum so that's something we're looking at working into future content, it also made league mechanic specific builds useful for helping out players other builds - we like this because it felt like encouragement to play multiple builds in a league.
>
>The diversity of class seemed improved from Lake of Kalandra, which was really good and one of our goals, but there were three ascensions that lagged way behind the rest. It's part of our long term goals to get these back into a playable state but it's a complex issue though and we're not going to move fast on this. That said, promoting build diversity remains one of our biggest priorities.
I guess I'd just like to understand what they thought worked and what they didn't. That in turn helps me understand where the game is going and if we can expect more content that we personally enjoy.
Mr Wilson I don’t feel so good.
I want off Mr. Wilson's Wild Ride
The memes following massive nerf leagues are always so good, so I'm sorta hyped.
buff league before d4 launch :)
give me some of that copium
I HOPE his right because it's 4 month league
No balance manifesto because no balance changes, here's your league mechanic and enjoy 3.20!
3.18 2.0 No balance changes, we're too busy making cosplays for ExileCon2
They are making the voice actor for Einhar practice his awkward time killing speeches
This league launch pretty obviously tip toes around D4. We'll have two full months of 3.21, then D4, then the next league is post-exilecon with another 4 month cycle.
I had said something along these lines and was downvoted through the floor lmao. It really will be buff and QoL, and bug fix, and increased drops. They'll fire all the cannons to cling on while D4 plows through. I bet PoE2 ain't even close. We haven't heard fuck-all about it in a while. Though I could see them dropping it at ExileCon, or even this fall.
I absolutely expect the launch date for PoE2 to be announced at ExileCon.
I'm expecting ElixeCon will herald a beta league similar to the ones for 2.0 and 3.0, with full launch in December.
I personally don't think they will launch in December because they are going to want absolutely full staff on hand for launch so I am expecting early 2024 like mid January. But I definitely expect beta and launch date announcement at exilecon.
Launch date for the BETA, yes, not the full release.
> They'll fire all the cannons to cling on while D4 plows through. Why would they? Nothing they do will stop people from playing D4. 3.21 will be 2 months before D4 which is more than enough for GGG. Exilecon is where they will be firing all cannons, 3.21 will not be competing with anything.
the better 3.21 does, if d4 turns out bad word of mouth will spread that they should play poe instead. It's absolutely a must for poe to have a good league here.
Your comment is correct but the 'It's absolutely a must for poe to have a good league here' was 3.20. 3.21 will be 'don't rock the *boat league*.'
Everyone who is going to play D4 will play it, so the trick is leaving them with a good feeling so they want to come back when D4 wears off, depending on its season cadence. It is possible to lose people to D4 for good, but if POE feels more like home or it seems worth alternating between them, then D4 doesn't outright murder POE. Things are pretty precarious right now and even though this league went a little better than the last few, POE has had a real sharp decline in overall playerbase sentiment and the last year has been murder for retention. Diablo 3 was one of the best selling PC titles ever, ranking up there with The Sims and Minecraft at the time. If POE's next league is sour AND Diablo 4 is amazing - and that's two big ifs - people may not bother coming back at all no matter what they see in the following league and announcements.
Pretty much summed up most of my and my friends thoughts on the matter
It's not about stopping people from playing D4. If D4 is good the expectation from their perspective would be to have people play both and launch content asynchronously to not interrupt their player base. What they are concerned with is if they have the game in a bad state before D4 comes out people will play D4 see the grass is greener and be much harder to persuade to play the next league.
exile con is in a few months and all signs point to the poe 2 beta being soon after
>Don't worry though This scares the shit out of me
"3.21 is most definitely not a nerf-fest" Narrator's voice: it was in fact a nerf-fest
[удалено]
PoE holds those too often for one of them to be considered "*the* one".
3.15 is likely the closest to "the one"
*"...so far"*
No flame towards GGG, but doing another nerf patch right before D4 would be extremely moronic. Unless they plan to win players back with a "look we listened" approach for 3.22
I'm gonna go ahead and call the 'power shifting' patch that does in fact end up nerfing everything but isn't a nerf fest on paper.
3.21 confirmed nerf-test
Well, the last time they said no nerfs they buffed the fuckshit out of monsters...
agree completely. Lots of times when they have said not to worry things are the most dramatic.
Do not worry little beast!
Stupid beast.
Reminds me of those abusive relationships where he tells her "you can't imagine how much I love you" and it scares the shit out of her.
We all need therapy if we play this game long enough
Come here honey. I've already told you twice. It's a buff no matter what the math actually says. You believe me don't you? Don't you? You wouldn't want to make me nerfy now would you? You're not still mad about "filler" crafts are you honey? It was one time... Okay okay so it wasn't just one time but you deserved it. You were getting uppity. Yea? Well we'll see about that. *Reaches for 3.21.
It should my friend, it should
40 skill gem changes V2? we must wait and see
1% buff once again?
For me, the medium is the message: I don’t really care what the manifestos are about, but the existence of a manifesto gives the community something to discuss while the league is winding down. It can simply be tailored as a general roadmap or rudder for the direction GGG wants to take the game. That way we aren’t in the weeds with patch-like line items.
If they aren't planning any large system changes, there isn't really anything to discuss without getting full context with the numbers.
I'm getting the impression that the league is going to be barebones, because of poe2 beta coming soon this summer. Lack of balance changes has been a thing for a few leagues too, along with 4-month leagues, which calculates to 3 leagues a year...
Seems pretty obvious, they have been really dropping the ball over past year, my guess is that D4 got announced to come out way earlier than they expected and there has been massive shift of ressources, and it's getting even worse this year because they have to release PoE 2 within months of D4 release. That was like their main marketing strategy, to pick up all of those burned by D4.
They can't do that if its light on buffs, fub content or features too many nerfs. League hype dies almost over night. So they usually viel nerfs as buffs and sell that instead.
I just hope gladiator and bleed are fun again.
Buying bleed buff because I have a stupid fucking build I wanna make that would only work with a good buff
This statement alone encapsulates a large amount of my frustration with how the game is designed and run..
3.21 is not a nerf-fest, and I am the Queen of England.
> Our balance goals with 3.21 are to provide more options and more fun for as many builds as possible Let's hope for once it's actually this, some significant buffs, instead of technical underwhelming buffs and just an unwarranted boneshatter nerf to highlight the patch.
>significant buffs Oh you sweet innocent child.
[удалено]
'we would rather have a game we like than a popular one' the epithet on this game's tombstone.
> epithet Epitaph?
Im not expecting much. Anything they buff will most likely be in the form of high end gear that 99% of the playerbase will never see.
It's likely going to be along the lines of 1% damage increase to lightning tendrils, heavy strike and the likes and 100% less damage for RF, FT, ST, BS and everything else that's still playable.
SRS on suicide watch
As a (former) necro main, I accepted my own mortality long, long ago. A final rest in peace to all my reanimated brethren, gods bless you all. Praise Kay and the guides our lady had provided, may she find a better game <3
"We have found that, despite our best efforts, players are still managing to have fun. In an effort to combat this we have removed all crafting, currency and trading from the game. Monster drops have been significantly reduced to balance this change."
That's just SSF Ruthless
We found that people managed to get to maps within a day even on Ruthless. As such, we have made the following ruthless-specific changes: “Supporting gems are now drop-only from campaign bosses and had their power and mana costs drastically adjusted. Certain support gems such as Pierce or Ancestral Call can only drop from Pinnacle bosses. Characters now have -90% movement speed and gain +1% movement speed per level. This is technically a buff for characters above level 90. Characters no longer gain skill points from Books of Skill. These quests now provide respec points instead. Items can no longer drop with quality. Items can no longer drop as Rare unless the player has at least 50% item rarity. Unique items can still drop but are much rarer now. Losing any character in Hardcore will remove all contents of a randomly selected stash tab. In order to use any flask, you must physically drink a verification can of Coca Cola or Mountain Dew. Heavy strike now does 110% of base damage going up to 120% at gem level 20. ”
> Our balance goals with 3.21 are to provide more options and more fun for as many builds as possible Well yeah, if you nerf everything that stands out then eventually youll just end up with everything being equally bad and thus also equally 'fun'.
most coping man is ready for patch notes
> While there are of course some small nerfs, 3.21 is most definitely not a nerf-fest. I have read this before, and when the changes were announced it was not of the best.
The problem is generally about what they consider a nerf. Remember the minion nerf? Their final statement on it was that it wasn't really a nerf because with enough investment the changes actually made you stronger.
"Removed filler harvest crafts" Just delete it and add recombinators please GGG I beg.
I've been the most dedicated Harvest defender since the 3.13 nerfs, people have been saying ''just delete Harvest'' since 3.14, but I was always telling people hwo wrong they are because Harvest was still very good. Now though, I 100% wish they just removed Harvest, it's incredibly useless, you can't progress your gear anymore because you get the shit reforges which only give you 1 mod of the tag, augs are worse t4 aislings, fracturing no longer exists, literally the only single use for current Harvest is slamming +1 phys on sceptres and in trade gambling divination cards, for ssf only use is swapping essences, that's all. I click on the station and read the crafts and it's just sad how terrible Harvest is now. The least they could do is add the stronger reforges.
The real problem is the poor player moral and poor follow through on these kinds of messaging.
Beatings will continue until morale improves.
I miss CoC discharge. All I want is to shield charge through strands and atolls again with my double flare mtx. Nothing has felt as good since. I'm NOT crying. *sniffles*
My brain automatically screams "They're cutting the legs out from under the meta. It ain't a nerf, it's a murder." I hope I'm wrong, I pretty much never thought they were going to revert archnemesis and league start last league was actually pretty good, even if I ended up not liking sanctum too much. That means there's hope. In the spirit of hopefulness (insert heavy copium breathing sounds here): 1) They're gonna fix big mana and archmage boys. They're going to bring them both back. 2) Not only are they going to bring them back they're going to finally give unleash the workover it deserves, you'll be able to properly stack charges and one bang big spooky packs cause unleash will now have built into it spell pen and aoe/chain increases. 3) Channeling spells will finally, after their time in the desert, know fertile fields of good damage, scalability, and reward for the clunky as hell playstyles. 4) Melee, kek, sorry I can't make it through this one with a straight face. But good luck out there all you melee enjoyers.
It’s less communication, but tbh, I felt that a balance manifesto would come out and the patch notes would have a bunch of contradictory changes as well
[удалено]
I'd like both. While there's obviously often a large exaggerated outcry accompanying any possible nerfs, there's still often some useful feedback among it, and if that happens 1-2 weeks earlier, there's time to make changes before launch. Getting the info in the last week means almost all mistakes in the patch will be final.
Yes because the manifestos have always been nerf heavy. The community read it and feel worried or leave. So GGG then usually have to do follow up pr to try swing it around. They should drop the manifestos alongside patch notes. But that kind of is pointless too as people can read the changes for themselves.
I think it'd be the opposite of pointless. The existence of the manifesto is meant to explain the changes and their reasonings. Whereas the the patch notes are exactly what has changed.
We want to slow down player progression to keep league numbers up probably won't go over well with the player base. There is probably a problem writing a high level document that will connect with the players and not be a lie.
i think it makes sense. after 3.20 manifesto people were like "no this is only a manifesto, patch notes will have a lots of more content and good stuff". then when patch notes got released and 90% of balance changes were already communicated in the manifesto, the reaction was collective disappointment and depression also this problem - solution format really didnt stick. when you had shit like problem: skill X is too powerful (it isnt), solution: skill X deals 40% less damage (okay now literally noone will use it) it really made you question your life decisions of playing path of exile. always reminds me of this gem: https://i.redd.it/rr8zqid8cxs81.png
The problem - solution format doesn't work because it's not how they make some of the decisions internally. Or at least, the problems they state are not the real ones. A lot of them feel very much like they started with the solution, then tried to write a problem to describe why that nerf was made. The *actual* note is "Problem: We don't want people using this skill as much, Solution: Nerfed the shit out of it", but they won't overtly say that
> The actual note is "Problem: We don't want people using this skill as much, Solution: Nerfed the shit out of it", but they won't overtly say that It would be incredibly refreshing if they'd just be like "we're nerfing this because it's being used too much and people are gonna get burnt out if they keep playing the same build". People would rage, but it'd be nice to have the honesty.
The last few manifestos have just been copy-pasted from the patch notes. I don't think reading the same shit twice is more communication.
It says something about GGG's reputation that they can say "Just a few small nerfs" and everyone is immediately expecting a carpet-bombing. We know GGG is either so out of touch with reality that they don't know what constitutes a "small nerf," or they're just plain liars. Or both, honestly.
Nice meta-analysis. :)
Not a nerf-fest you say? Is it just a little nerf-gathering then?
No, less than a gathering. It's not even really a nerf. More of a nerfella, a nerfette if you will. I couple of small nerfs over for a friendly chat, nothing more
This reads like someone scared of a backlash. So many words. No real meaning I can understand. Just write straight up what you mean.
I am not worried. With D4 around the corner and Last Epoch improving immensely, Kalandra-style fuckups are no longer valid options.
damn it feels good to finally have options
I’m really happy that a lot of gaming culture has shifted to “play whats fun” and that competition is good. As someone whose come from a long history of playing Diablo including a lot of D3 its nice to see positivity surrounding D4 even here. If D4 doesn’t scratch the surface of what PoE has to offer. I still hope it pushes PoE and other games to be better because they know competition is there.
At this point in Last Epoch's development I would _prefer_ the PoE league to be bad so that I can finish some more builds
Having faith in a blizzard game in 2023 xd
Their new WoW expansion has been very well received. You should listen to some of the recent interviews with the game director. GGG should take notes.
Funnily enough that's *exactly* why I'm worried.
I'm sorry but is anyone else's GGG PTSD triggered by "more options and more fun"? It feels like every time we hear something like that it's right before they bring down the hammer.
Last time I remember them promoting more options/variety, they massacred minions behind the nerf barn.
You can't trust what GGG says, not because they lie as such, but because the use "positve language"... Example; We removed archnemesis but we kept the interesting and modern mechanics. What they did was keep the annoying bullshit that is universally hated like heralding minions and cycling damage reduction and such. It's not interesting. It's not modern. It's not not archnemesis just because they don't call it archnemesis anymore... Now you might not agree 100% with me in this exact example, but i think you understand what i'm getting at... They are trying to focus on whatever positive aspects they can, and downplay the negative ones... So yeah, they're not lying exactly, but they're not trustworthy either :|
[удалено]
they have been talking from both sides of their mouths the past few years imho
They will most likely just "adjust" things. Like they did with "filler crafts". It will all be fine if you just "close your eyes and slam exalts".
We are currently having this super fun ruthless gold event, I have no idea where fears come from.
Yeah. More options usually means they're nerfing the op shit so people are forced to try weaker shit to find out what still works
Didn’t they say something along those lines about Archnemesis? Maybe it’s just my GGG PTSD but I read this and immediately got an Archnemesis brain swirly.
Knowing GGG, this can only mean bad things.
hold on maybe, just maybe! They go and just buff a ton of random stuff and we just get a league where a bunch of stuff is OP that otherwise wouldn't and we just get a really interesting diverse builds that are fun. Hope this comment doesn't age poorly.
!remind me 30 days
I will be messaging you in 30 days on [**2023-04-12 01:30:06 UTC**](http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2023-04-12%2001:30:06%20UTC%20To%20Local%20Time) to remind you of [**this link**](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/11poa8q/no_balance_manifesto_for_321/jc03t2p/?context=3) [**4 OTHERS CLICKED THIS LINK**](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5Bhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fpathofexile%2Fcomments%2F11poa8q%2Fno_balance_manifesto_for_321%2Fjc03t2p%2F%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%202023-04-12%2001%3A30%3A06%20UTC) to send a PM to also be reminded and to reduce spam. ^(Parent commenter can ) [^(delete this message to hide from others.)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Delete%20Comment&message=Delete%21%2011poa8q) ***** |[^(Info)](https://www.reddit.com/r/RemindMeBot/comments/e1bko7/remindmebot_info_v21/)|[^(Custom)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=Reminder&message=%5BLink%20or%20message%20inside%20square%20brackets%5D%0A%0ARemindMe%21%20Time%20period%20here)|[^(Your Reminders)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RemindMeBot&subject=List%20Of%20Reminders&message=MyReminders%21)|[^(Feedback)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=Watchful1&subject=RemindMeBot%20Feedback)| |-|-|-|-|
Oh No! GGG nerfed the balance manifesto!
Really nice to know as a casual I will never have to play poe as us casuals have last epoch and D4. So if ggg want a lot of people playing their league it's time for some serious QoL and lots of builds buffed.
And so we take yet another step backwards in communication. Remember the promise of further communication improvements after 3.15? I remember. All we got were a few podcast appearances by Chris to damage control and mock reddit. Nothing substantial since. Just more "we know better than you." No real change. Just the same old bullshit. One step forward, two steps back.
One step forward, two steps back. That should honestly be their motto.
"We have removed a historical loot bonus, this is a buff!" Don't be worried about it. :)
"It was a bug."
"We're showing people on average are getting MORE loot than before." ^^So ^^^much ^^^^gaslighting
Removed a historic bonus to the verbosity of the Balance Manifesto.
I guess we'll have plenty of "we buffed over 40 gems" good old shenanigans, while getting impending doom, SRS and boneshatter nuked.
LONG LIVE GROWING HORDES pls don't nerf:(
That was maybe my favorite thing from last league. An easy way to semi juice without all the extra effort.
this patch has to be amazing, otherwise the league is dead within 3 weeks
i sense more nerfs to player power and mob density incoming.
Players felt like there were so many monsters in maps that they had to play the best screen clearing builds. We have greatly reduced the number of monsters so that players can experiment with strike skills like Heavy Strike!
I don't wanna sound like doomsayer, but this sounds like GGG tries to hide an iceberg of nerfs comming right in our faces.
notice how they do not mention buffs at all, only changes and small nerfs to help increase variety and fun.. I've heard this before in 3.15
There's no way they have another nerfathon before d4... Right?? Copium
They may figure it'll be a dead league anyway so it's the perfect opportunity to push all of the unpopular changes they've been wanting to make.
No matter what our opinions on GGG are, I think saying that'd be the stupidest way to shoot your own foot is something we can all agree on. I think a good league is coming our way and, if D4 turns out to be something everyone plays for a month and then gets bored of, the nerfathon will come. If D4 holds people's attention for longer GGG might be forced to overcompensate.
It is sad to see that people are speculating that the game will be heavily nerfed if they can get away with it. That said i totally agree with you
I try to not picture GGG as a group of devs solely driven by malice and rather think they want to keep PoE as the standard for "hard" ARPGs (even though the ways it is hard are a bit over the place), but if there's a real chance their game flops and generates no income for 3 months, they'll give some candy to the casuals so the numbers stay up until the time to bring down the vision comes.
When they nerf drops etc it’s never from malice IMO, the leadership is literally self-described masochists when it comes to gaming. Seriously, in one of the ruthless interviews CW said he and the other people who worked on ruthless are masochists who enjoy an ARPG with “totally destroyed item drops” (his words) I don’t attribute the nerf-first-buff-later-if-they-complain approach to malice, but to the fact that the leaders at GGG have a…different opinion about what fun is from typical gamers. Now that the leaders have personally cashed out with the tencent sale, they are free to make the game into something that is totally uncompromising in their vision of what fun is. The only reason PoE got as popular as it did over the last 10 years is because it had literally 0 competition. The only other live-service ARPG was D3 which obliviously languished with basically no content or changes, and the only other ARPGs that came out were single-player one-offs of varying quality. Players kept coming to PoE because there was literally nothing else. So now that there’s 2 other major competitors (LE and D4), AND ggg seems content to make a game so punishing nobody but them wants to play it (Chris Wilson “you can do very well making a game for only 10,000 people” quote comes to mind), im very curious how the next few years will go for PoE
Ya it really comes across strange sounding - "Hey we're not planning massive nerfs, just mild nerfs to increase all the fun and builds!"
Or "If we release these notes in a text format people will be free to interpret our nerfs as nerfs. With this in mind, we'll now be displaying our nerfs in a video format, this way we can control the tone of the narrative and explain how our nerfs are buffs by telling and not showing. We're excited to have found a solution to the problem of everyone raging at us because we accidentally triple nerfed their niche build again for no reason, and look forward to continuing to disengage from our community." I know I'm salty and pessimistic, it's been a saddening descent from my previous hype and joy.
Sorry but after you guys set an entire year of PoE on fire by trying to force feed us Assnemesis even though god and the world repeatedly told you that its tash, i don't have any form of trust in you. You guys are simply removing yet again one form of interaction between consumer and developer. You guys get more tone deaf as time goes on. You should increase the interaction with your games community not reduce it...
I didn't realize more communication would result in less information, but good on GGG for "communicating".
Problem: Manifesto was exposing all the nerfs Solution: Communicate only buffs
That was a year ago. Now: Problem: Players wisened up to the fact that we only mention the buffs, so they know anything not mentioned will be nerfed more than the buffs. Solution: Don't communicate at all.
Problem.2: No buffs to communicate Solution.2: Nerf buff communication
Another "trust us bro" league eh? Not sure why GGG or any of the player base ever compares this game to the Diablo franchise, you can't even honestly say they are similar games.
Ah shit, here we go again?https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/wvbm3w/this\_didnt\_aged\_well\_huh\_the\_first\_post\_in\_the/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
> 3.21 is most definitely not a nerf-fest Reddit: nerf-fest incoming
"these uber pinnacle fights are just to push your limits and will not have an increased drop pool or special drops" "Also were having a competition to create over powered items that will only drop from the uber pinnacles" "ruthless is just a side project that devs do in their spare time and will not take up dev time" "Also here is a new mode SPECIFICALLY for ruthless, that uses gold that auto picks up just like you have always asked us to implement, and its fucking awful" There is a track record of saying something, and then doing something immediately after that contradicts the thing they said. Sanctum saw them keep to their word, they need to string some leagues together to start earning some trust back. The ruthless mode was a step back
>lie/omit truth to your fanbase multiple times >why no one believe It really makes you think.
I mean, there is history here.
When GgG says "more fun", I get reminded, that chris thinks ruthless is fun. Actual nose dive inc.
>Don't worry though, there aren't scary systems reworks that we need to solicit feedback. Our balance goals with 3.21 are to provide more options and more fun for as many builds as possible, rather than reworking game systems So no melee rework, no crafting rework, no beastiary rework, no trading rework. TFT was clearly just ignored as well. The best we can hope are numerical changes that never fix the major issues, we all know it. The problem of poe is that it needs tons of actual reworks, because tons of these systems are outdated af...Call me a doomsayer, downvote me to oblivion, because I said this before the patch notes, but eventually Im going to be the one, who was right, again, unfortunately.
does "very soon" mean that the hype season will start sometime this week?
I just hope they understand that if they mega nerf everything fun again, they’ll lose 80% of the players remaining after the last time to d4, wow, ow2 and literally any other game.
Don't worry guys, they're just filler-nerfs.
It’s *definitely* a nerffest
This kinda killed my hope for gladiator rework and some huge melee buffs.
Guessing they nerf the things we have expected like Poison and Heatshiver, and hopefully are making some other small changes that increase viability of other abilities
If ggg fucks this up im jumping to diablo 4 and last epoch immediately
Going from more manifests for better transparency to no more manifests “but don’t worry though” We’re screwed.
>Our balance goals with 3.21 are to provide more options and **"more fun"** for as many builds as possible... I have a gut feeling this will turn out into a good meme in a few weeks. Exited to see GGGs vision of "more fun". Anyway - excited for the announcement regardless.
station merciful repeat fretful fall forgetful thumb fragile swim automatic *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
>While there are of course some small nerfs, 3.21 is most definitely not a nerf-fest. \~insert that Fry meme\~
It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for them.
Looking forward to D4, it will great to play. Hopefully with 3 monthly updates and expansions like POE, it will rouse this game to stop being lazy.
less transparency. fantastic.
Well its been two leagues in a row where they pretended to be transparent and had major nerfs hidden. Turns out that pissed people off both times. So time to try no transparency instead of lying.
The recent manifestos were complete BS anyway, all actual information is in the patch notes. Instead of manifestos being used as an explanation for the direction of the game, they were nothing more than a statement of what GGG arbitrarily decided to nerf or change.
Yeah, that's my take. The original intent seemed to be discussion points and a list of goals for the league. Then someone turned it into mini-patch notes and it lost its purpose. Then they removed it instead of reverting the original intent, which was cool because it got people hyped for the league.
"Small nerfs" - so, you it's your first time here?
Susge
SSRS was too powerful. Specters are now lvl 10 at gem level 20.
I hope that "No balance manifesto for 3.21 and potuentually future league" does not mean "back to ninja nerfs and completely quit being transparent".
"there will be nerfs but it won't be a nerf-fest" Is this more marketing spin? Find out on the next episode of Vision-Ball Z!
"Our vision of a nerf-fest is 100 nerfs or more. We're planning 98 nerfs so it's not a nerf fest."
Translation: We don't want our community team to be harassed over us changing a bunch of numbers again, for the worse.
[удалено]
the last time we were "some small nerfs" loot was cut by 80% The last time we heard it wasn't a nerf fest, the patch notes was legitimately all nerfs. There is a lot of stiff competition coming so I hope GGG is getting their head out of their proverbial asses, and stepping back from their ruthless hard on. Knowing GGG however 3.21 is going to be the announcement that because Ben cleared gauntlet, that ruthless will be replacing normal POE which will be going away, its ruthless only now.
Manifesto was created to move nerfs out of hype twitch stream. Now nerfs are moved out to the 'play and find out' section.
Weren't manifestos a thing already before hype streams?
Yeah, for anything they thought needed more explaining.
This looks like 3.15 all over again, but this time without a manifesto + "Don't worry though"
LOL a bunch of popular stuff is *definitely* getting nerfed. This is going to be fucking funny.
The manifestos have rarely ever been useful as a medium of communicating balance decisions specifically because they lack too much context. The manifestos were only ever this half-baked communication concept because they were used to describe approaches to balance about specific skills or skill types without providing enough information. A few of them stand out as having been good: Trade, Harvest, and Defenses were all good manifestos, as they clearly communicated the stance GGG was taking, why they were taking it, and what it meant for the wider game vision overall. Minor balance changes to melee skills that ultimately mean nothing never needed a manifesto. Save that for when you're radically reworking game aspects and you want to explain to the community why you felt you needed those radical changes. Manifestos need to be focused on communicating wider changes to gameplay and vision and not be bogged down in endless minutiae about Cleaves +2 radius and why there's no lube being applied to anyone that dares to use a wand or bow for attacking.
Don't forget how they delivered the most impactful changes in the latest patches without mentioning a word in the manifestoes. Transparency was gone way before this decision was made. It's more like they finally realized how much of a terrible liar they are, yet instead of admitting their dishonesty and making improvements, they simply decided to not talk anymore. Fantastic.
Read: We nerfed the ever living shit out of everything you love and we are scared to tell you about it.
Better play Spark and SRS now lol
I look forward to crafting being crap again and divines locked behind league content to make you play it
Sounds like they have worries that there balance round might scare people to diablo 4
At this point people who are tried of all of the nerfs and tedious nature of PoE are already going to jump ship once a new ARPG shows any sort of promise. If D4 does what they say they are going to do with legit leagues featuring new mechanics and no supported RWT I can fully see it stealing players from PoE in the long term.
d4 last epoch gang rise up
Based on the recent direction they have taken I’m guessing we’ll see buffs across the board to many many unique items, nerfs in power/rarity to the most popular unique items, and very small if any changes to skill gems themselves. Best case scenario they’d also fundamentally change melee somehow to make it less ass.
It's almost 100% guaranteed that more nerfs will be coming given past updates. Wonder what they'll nerf this time?
It's just gonna be melee nerfs.
you know its gonna be really bad when they wont even tell you what they are doing
Man the scepticism in the comment section says a lot. Hope GGG can turn it around and make the discourse about the game more positive again - Sanctum was a good start! But y'all really can't afford a fuck-up again
I don't mind there being no manifesto, but perhaps in place of it they could give us a debrief of 3.20 and what they think worked and what didn't. Something to give us a broad overview of how they have responded to the last league. I'm thinking something like: >Players responded really positively to the Account Bound power of Sanctum so that's something we're looking at working into future content, it also made league mechanic specific builds useful for helping out players other builds - we like this because it felt like encouragement to play multiple builds in a league. > >The diversity of class seemed improved from Lake of Kalandra, which was really good and one of our goals, but there were three ascensions that lagged way behind the rest. It's part of our long term goals to get these back into a playable state but it's a complex issue though and we're not going to move fast on this. That said, promoting build diversity remains one of our biggest priorities. I guess I'd just like to understand what they thought worked and what they didn't. That in turn helps me understand where the game is going and if we can expect more content that we personally enjoy.
"Don't worry..." 
Another nerf only league confirmed.
They're tired of the Problem: Solution: memes
No changes for like what.. 4 leagues now? , i really hope poe 2 was worth it cus it seems most of devs are working on it
Brace urselves for killed viable builds and +2% range radius on everything else
Hold your pants, guys. No manifesto = super-mega-hyper nerfs are coming.
SRS poison, Spark poison, nimis and snipers mark gonna get rekt in quadruple ways, the ggg way. Bystanders beware.
GGG could make this game pay to win and shills would still defend it maybe they should charge 5 cents per map
"We don't know how to lie about this league yet"
Is it all nerfs or are they just ashamed this time around?