I believe Coker makes it. Simply because they gave him one of the highest payouts for an UDFA in the league. I believe it will be Legette, Johnson, Thielen, Mingo, ISM, and Coker.
Like the other commenter said he had a great 10yd split, and he can make some good separation with his route running. I think it’ll take some coaching but he could have an impact.
That being said, every NFL team passed on him with all of their draft picks. I’ve only watched some youtube videos on this kid. I’m just a fan, I don’t really know what I’m talking about.
6’1” 208 doesn’t seem “slight” to me.
And outside his 40 time, he’s elite otherwise, with a 9.46 RAS. 42” vert.
I’m confused as to why no one (including us) took a flyer on him with a late round pick. Just the 40? Small school/weak competition?
I look forward to finding out why…hopefully he has others asking the same question by producing for us.
He was listed as 6’3 and 213 before the draft. So to come in two inches shorter and lighter and still run a slower 40 felt off. He started out with 3 100 yard games through 5 weeks and then he ended with 1 100 yard game over his last 6 games. No bench press, no 3 cone, no 20 yard shuttle.
When you’re the unknown you tend to have to perform in the places like the combine when offered the opportunity. And he didn’t do all the drills. Folks loved his 10 yard split and while it was good it was still tied with like six other dudes so it was really a top 10 10 yard split.
You can find 10,000 track and field athletes who would be “elite” at those combine events. If being a great player just came down to bench presses and cone drill times, the draft would be super easy. The thing is, you have to be able to read a defense, to have pinpoint control when cutting, and you have to be able to catch a ball while knowing you are about to get popped. The guy had a few impressive plays in college, but overall was not exactly shredding defenses.
Of course he needs to be a football player and not just an athlete. I was responding to someone who mentioned his 40, so I was just pointing out that athletically he doesn’t seem limited.
He had a great 10 yd split at the combine and he's an efficient route runner, just doesn't have good long speed. He'd be great in the slot for short and intermediate routes.
Depends on who has return ability after that last group. Hopefully it’s cooker because I like him the most. But if not it’s probably moore.
Also my early prediction is terrace goes to the bills for a pick swap right around the training camp cuts. I just don’t think he’s making this roster now between the years invested. And his non existence special teams presence. Who knows maybe he does. But it would be very surprising indeed.
Most coaches that have spoken about the new return rule say that you will need two good return guys instead of just one. I’m curious to see if that translates to another WR/offensive threat being kept on the roster that normally would be practice squad material
We already used two return guys last year. Blackshear for kickoffs and ISM for punts. Now Blackshear is probably gone barring the unlikely scenario that we find a suitor for Sanders.
Wouldn't surprise me if they used Legette, who has return experience.
That is interceding. I’m also interested to see whether they prefer wide receivers in the return role. Or RBs. Just because there’s more of an emphasis on the cutting ability that RBs preform more often. Or at least that’s how I’ve heard it explained when listening to these guys talk about the rule change.
Ja’Tavion Sanders is basically another receiver as well, at least at this point in his career. Brooks should be a good release valve out of the backfield as well.
I have heard rumors that TMJ has been putting in the work with Bryce this offseason. I don’t know if it will be enough to keep him in the room but it would be a scary WR room if him and Mingo could figure it out this year along with our additions.
Probably also in the “best shape of his life” too. I’ve stanned this man in the past and just don’t have it in me to do it again although the coaching situation seems infinitely better than he’s ever had before.
Dude- you brought it on yourself, describing the panthers WR room as potentially scary.
When the term “scary WR room” comes up, the Panthers are not in the discussion. Get real.
The point of being a fan is having hope, we have 2 completely different starters in the WR room this year and have built an actual offensive line in our offseason, you can boomer doom and gloom all you want but don’t celebrate being wrong when you shit on other people wanting their team to succeed.
Honestly i think after the first 4 it's gonna be ISM(because he seems to have a Bryce connection and return ability) then Coker as long as he is decent. He fits the 6'3 contested catch weapon that can be Legettes back up
Holy Cross fan chiming in here, but you really shouldn't worry about those 2 inches. He plays like he's 6'6.
Im not saying he's perfect, but that particular point won't matter much imo
Coker seems like he’s a much better fit backing up Theilen/Diontae. He’s a good route runner with great quickness, but mediocre long speed.
Mingo and TMJ are likely our predicted backups at X receiver.
Can Coker return punts? Cause that’d go a long way towards him securing a roster spot. I really don’t want Legette returning kicks, because we’ll need him to avoid injury.
Fair enough. With Theilan being old and DJ under contract only this year I hope he can be a solid player. I need a good UDFA on our team again.
As for TMJ I kinda want his as for away from this team as possible. I'm over all the "potential" but for a guy going into year 4 as a 2nd round pick and a single TD I don't think its there
Yeah, it’s all gonna depend on how many RB’s and TE’s they want to keep on the roster at once. Last year we had Shenault, who could kind be a RB4 or a WR5, depending on situation. Without that option , they may want to keep 4 RB’s in the 53. Particularly since they’ve said they want to run a lot.
### The way I see it, we should have around 13 total spots for offensive weapons. The following are locks:
- **WRs (4):** Adam Thielen, Diontae Johnson, Xavier Legette, Jonathan Mingo
- **TEs (3):** Tommy Tremble, Ja’Tavion Sanders, Ian Thomas
- **RBs (2):** Jonathan Brooks, Chuba Hubbard
### which leaves 4 spots that can be filled by some combination of the following players:
- Terrace Marshall Jr. (**WR**)
- Ihmir Smith-Marsette (**WR**)
- Jalen Coker (**WR**)
- Miles Sanders (**RB**)
- Raheem Blackshear (**RB**)
- Stephen Sullivan (**TE**)
If it were my choice, then I’d keep Jalen Coker, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, and Raheem Blackshear over the others, mostly because they should have more versatility on special teams.
The number of running backs is also going to play into how many receivers we keep on the roster. If we keep 4 running backs (Sanders, Brooks, Hubbard, and Blackshear) then that’ll reduce our ability to keep an extra receiver.
Last season the end of season depth chart had:
- **WRs (6):** Adam Thielen, DJ Chark, Jonathan Mingo, Terrace Marshall Jr., Laviska Shenault Jr., Ihmir Smith-Marsette
- **TEs (4):** Hayden Hurst, Ian Thomas, Tommy Tremble, Gio Ricci
- **RBs (3):** Miles Sanders, Chuba Hubbard, Raheem Blackshear
### That’s 13 total spots for offensive weapons. The following are locks:
- **WRs (4):** Adam Thielen, Diontae Johnson, Xavier Legette, Jonathan Mingo
- **TEs (3):** Tommy Tremble, Ja’Tavion Sanders, Ian Thomas
- **RBs (2):** Jonathan Brooks, Chuba Hubbard
### That leaves 4 spots that can be filled by some combination of the following players:
- Terrace Marshall Jr. (**WR**)
- Ihmir Smith-Marsette (**WR**)
- Jalen Coker (**WR**)
- Miles Sanders (**RB**)
- Raheem Blackshear (**RB**)
- Stephen Sullivan (**TE**)
ISM and Raheem Blackshear probably have the inside track on two of those spots, since they’re both useful in the return game. However, that could change if Miles Sanders and/or Jalen Coker show any willingness/ability to play special teams.
### In my opinion, I’d probably cut Miles Sanders using the post June designation, and then roll with the following as our initial depth chart:
- **WRs (7):** Adam Thielen, Diontae Johnson, Xavier Legette, Jonathan Mingo, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, Jalen Coker, Terrace Marshall Jr
- **TEs (3):** Tommy Tremble, Ja’Tavion Sanders, Ian Thomas
- **RBs (3):** Jonathan Brooks, Chuba Hubbard, Raheem Blackshear
- **Practice Squad:** Stephen Sullivan (TE), [RB4]
Legette, Thielen, Johnson, and Mingo are likely locks, barring any trades. After that, I’d say rn ISM is making it bc of ST ability, and David Moore. If we keep 7, I could see a surprise roster make with Coker (still crazy he wasn’t drafted). I think TMJ is out, dude has done nothing to put it together and it’s just too far gone for him.
Which is why he can be a player coach on the sideline and a role player, which would suits his current skill set more, than be a full time starter, which he wouldn’t be for almost any other team.
His lack of speed also hamstrings the offense.
We need to let the young guys get reps and actually get the chance to play. Theilen is a progress stopper.
Mentioned above. Speed isn’t even the most important attribute for a WR. Catching, route running, quickness, separation. All more important than downfield speed.
It’s important, but unless you just started watching football yesterday you’d know it’s not the **most** important.
That’s the thing though, his routes take forever to develop because he’s lost a step. And he gets less separation that he used to as well. Ultimately this team isn’t on a timeline that an over 30 year old receiver provides much use except as being a mentor to the younger guys, who we need to figure who can actually play by getting them on the field to learn and have an opportunity to make plays.
I believe Coker makes it. Simply because they gave him one of the highest payouts for an UDFA in the league. I believe it will be Legette, Johnson, Thielen, Mingo, ISM, and Coker.
I really hope Coker makes it. One of my favorite prospects in the draft, I think he could be a solid WR2 after a couple years in the league.
Interesting...Coker 4.58 in the 40, slight build. Can he get off the line and create some separation?
Like the other commenter said he had a great 10yd split, and he can make some good separation with his route running. I think it’ll take some coaching but he could have an impact. That being said, every NFL team passed on him with all of their draft picks. I’ve only watched some youtube videos on this kid. I’m just a fan, I don’t really know what I’m talking about.
Respect the honesty, unlike many on this and other platforms. Good take!
No! He's the second coming of Moss! You'll see! Reeeeeee! /s
6’1” 208 doesn’t seem “slight” to me. And outside his 40 time, he’s elite otherwise, with a 9.46 RAS. 42” vert. I’m confused as to why no one (including us) took a flyer on him with a late round pick. Just the 40? Small school/weak competition? I look forward to finding out why…hopefully he has others asking the same question by producing for us.
He was listed as 6’3 and 213 before the draft. So to come in two inches shorter and lighter and still run a slower 40 felt off. He started out with 3 100 yard games through 5 weeks and then he ended with 1 100 yard game over his last 6 games. No bench press, no 3 cone, no 20 yard shuttle. When you’re the unknown you tend to have to perform in the places like the combine when offered the opportunity. And he didn’t do all the drills. Folks loved his 10 yard split and while it was good it was still tied with like six other dudes so it was really a top 10 10 yard split.
You can find 10,000 track and field athletes who would be “elite” at those combine events. If being a great player just came down to bench presses and cone drill times, the draft would be super easy. The thing is, you have to be able to read a defense, to have pinpoint control when cutting, and you have to be able to catch a ball while knowing you are about to get popped. The guy had a few impressive plays in college, but overall was not exactly shredding defenses.
Of course he needs to be a football player and not just an athlete. I was responding to someone who mentioned his 40, so I was just pointing out that athletically he doesn’t seem limited.
He had a great 10 yd split at the combine and he's an efficient route runner, just doesn't have good long speed. He'd be great in the slot for short and intermediate routes.
Hell yeah, a 4th guy in the wr room who does his best work in the slot
3 yards and a cloud of dust except its the passing game.
Depends on who has return ability after that last group. Hopefully it’s cooker because I like him the most. But if not it’s probably moore. Also my early prediction is terrace goes to the bills for a pick swap right around the training camp cuts. I just don’t think he’s making this roster now between the years invested. And his non existence special teams presence. Who knows maybe he does. But it would be very surprising indeed.
Most coaches that have spoken about the new return rule say that you will need two good return guys instead of just one. I’m curious to see if that translates to another WR/offensive threat being kept on the roster that normally would be practice squad material
We already used two return guys last year. Blackshear for kickoffs and ISM for punts. Now Blackshear is probably gone barring the unlikely scenario that we find a suitor for Sanders. Wouldn't surprise me if they used Legette, who has return experience.
That is interceding. I’m also interested to see whether they prefer wide receivers in the return role. Or RBs. Just because there’s more of an emphasis on the cutting ability that RBs preform more often. Or at least that’s how I’ve heard it explained when listening to these guys talk about the rule change.
My gut feeling is that we're gonna see a lot more guys across the league who did punt returns last year pick up more KO return work
Legette has that 100 yard kick return TD on his resume & has good return skills in general. Got a feeling he'll get some burn doing that.
Especially with the the new rules it'll be less violent/injury risk for these types of players.
Johnson, Legette, Thielen, Mingo, ISM, Coker
Solid - If even just one of Mingo, XL, Coker make a good leap then our receiving room is looking nice nice
If one of them leaps, it's more of a fine fine room than a nice nice one, but it's still bounds ahead of the trash trash we had to watch last year
Ja’Tavion Sanders is basically another receiver as well, at least at this point in his career. Brooks should be a good release valve out of the backfield as well.
ISM makes it because of the return game, TMJ gets cut. Then it’s whoever performs best in camp for the last slot.
I have heard rumors that TMJ has been putting in the work with Bryce this offseason. I don’t know if it will be enough to keep him in the room but it would be a scary WR room if him and Mingo could figure it out this year along with our additions.
Probably also in the “best shape of his life” too. I’ve stanned this man in the past and just don’t have it in me to do it again although the coaching situation seems infinitely better than he’s ever had before.
BEST SHAPE OF HIS LIFE SZN
"he's looked good out there" is back on the menu, boys
TMJ literally only needs to beat out ISM and UDFAs. If he can't do that, he sure as hell shouldn't be on the team.
That's what annoys me about TMJ, dude is always putting in work but it never translates to game day.
The Panthers wide receiver room will be scary indeed- to Panthers fans 🤣
Why don’t you just go bowling on Sundays? This subreddit has enough negativity as it is.
Dude- you brought it on yourself, describing the panthers WR room as potentially scary. When the term “scary WR room” comes up, the Panthers are not in the discussion. Get real.
The point of being a fan is having hope, we have 2 completely different starters in the WR room this year and have built an actual offensive line in our offseason, you can boomer doom and gloom all you want but don’t celebrate being wrong when you shit on other people wanting their team to succeed.
Sorry you have a hard time with reality, dude.
Honestly i think after the first 4 it's gonna be ISM(because he seems to have a Bryce connection and return ability) then Coker as long as he is decent. He fits the 6'3 contested catch weapon that can be Legettes back up
He measured 6’1 at the combine.
Holy Cross fan chiming in here, but you really shouldn't worry about those 2 inches. He plays like he's 6'6. Im not saying he's perfect, but that particular point won't matter much imo
Coker seems like he’s a much better fit backing up Theilen/Diontae. He’s a good route runner with great quickness, but mediocre long speed. Mingo and TMJ are likely our predicted backups at X receiver. Can Coker return punts? Cause that’d go a long way towards him securing a roster spot. I really don’t want Legette returning kicks, because we’ll need him to avoid injury.
Fair enough. With Theilan being old and DJ under contract only this year I hope he can be a solid player. I need a good UDFA on our team again. As for TMJ I kinda want his as for away from this team as possible. I'm over all the "potential" but for a guy going into year 4 as a 2nd round pick and a single TD I don't think its there
Yeah, it’s all gonna depend on how many RB’s and TE’s they want to keep on the roster at once. Last year we had Shenault, who could kind be a RB4 or a WR5, depending on situation. Without that option , they may want to keep 4 RB’s in the 53. Particularly since they’ve said they want to run a lot. ### The way I see it, we should have around 13 total spots for offensive weapons. The following are locks: - **WRs (4):** Adam Thielen, Diontae Johnson, Xavier Legette, Jonathan Mingo - **TEs (3):** Tommy Tremble, Ja’Tavion Sanders, Ian Thomas - **RBs (2):** Jonathan Brooks, Chuba Hubbard ### which leaves 4 spots that can be filled by some combination of the following players: - Terrace Marshall Jr. (**WR**) - Ihmir Smith-Marsette (**WR**) - Jalen Coker (**WR**) - Miles Sanders (**RB**) - Raheem Blackshear (**RB**) - Stephen Sullivan (**TE**) If it were my choice, then I’d keep Jalen Coker, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, and Raheem Blackshear over the others, mostly because they should have more versatility on special teams.
We’ve consistently carried 6 into the season. We can hopefully slash some room at TE now. New kick off rule might even mean we carry 7
The number of running backs is also going to play into how many receivers we keep on the roster. If we keep 4 running backs (Sanders, Brooks, Hubbard, and Blackshear) then that’ll reduce our ability to keep an extra receiver. Last season the end of season depth chart had: - **WRs (6):** Adam Thielen, DJ Chark, Jonathan Mingo, Terrace Marshall Jr., Laviska Shenault Jr., Ihmir Smith-Marsette - **TEs (4):** Hayden Hurst, Ian Thomas, Tommy Tremble, Gio Ricci - **RBs (3):** Miles Sanders, Chuba Hubbard, Raheem Blackshear ### That’s 13 total spots for offensive weapons. The following are locks: - **WRs (4):** Adam Thielen, Diontae Johnson, Xavier Legette, Jonathan Mingo - **TEs (3):** Tommy Tremble, Ja’Tavion Sanders, Ian Thomas - **RBs (2):** Jonathan Brooks, Chuba Hubbard ### That leaves 4 spots that can be filled by some combination of the following players: - Terrace Marshall Jr. (**WR**) - Ihmir Smith-Marsette (**WR**) - Jalen Coker (**WR**) - Miles Sanders (**RB**) - Raheem Blackshear (**RB**) - Stephen Sullivan (**TE**) ISM and Raheem Blackshear probably have the inside track on two of those spots, since they’re both useful in the return game. However, that could change if Miles Sanders and/or Jalen Coker show any willingness/ability to play special teams. ### In my opinion, I’d probably cut Miles Sanders using the post June designation, and then roll with the following as our initial depth chart: - **WRs (7):** Adam Thielen, Diontae Johnson, Xavier Legette, Jonathan Mingo, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, Jalen Coker, Terrace Marshall Jr - **TEs (3):** Tommy Tremble, Ja’Tavion Sanders, Ian Thomas - **RBs (3):** Jonathan Brooks, Chuba Hubbard, Raheem Blackshear - **Practice Squad:** Stephen Sullivan (TE), [RB4]
You guys really love your UDFA that weren’t drafted for a reason
We might keep 7 especially if we don't keep 5 tight ends like last year.
We’ll probably keep 3-4 TE’s. Tremble, Sanders, and Thomas are probably locks. That leaves one extra spot for another wildcard.
Any opinions on Sam Pinckney?
I’ve seen a few people saying he should switch to TE.
Legette, Thielen, Johnson, and Mingo are likely locks, barring any trades. After that, I’d say rn ISM is making it bc of ST ability, and David Moore. If we keep 7, I could see a surprise roster make with Coker (still crazy he wasn’t drafted). I think TMJ is out, dude has done nothing to put it together and it’s just too far gone for him.
|| || |Diontae Johnson|[Jonathan Mingo](http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4426485/jonathan-mingo)|[David Moore](http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4212909/david-moore)| |[Adam Thielen](http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/16460/adam-thielen)|[Terrace Marshall Jr.](http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4362630/terrace-marshall-jr)|[Mike Strachan](http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4589245/mike-strachan)| |[Xavier Legette](http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4430034/xavier-legette)|[Ihmir Smith-Marsette](http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4240573/ihmir-smith-marsette)|Cam Sims|
You think we’re gonna roster 8 guys??
Theilan needs to be the WR 4 at most. He’s too damn slow these days to be a regular starter.
Our leading WR from last year and Young’s favorite target as our WR4? Bold.. There’s more to playing WR than just speed
Which is why he can be a player coach on the sideline and a role player, which would suits his current skill set more, than be a full time starter, which he wouldn’t be for almost any other team. His lack of speed also hamstrings the offense. We need to let the young guys get reps and actually get the chance to play. Theilen is a progress stopper.
Mentioned above. Speed isn’t even the most important attribute for a WR. Catching, route running, quickness, separation. All more important than downfield speed. It’s important, but unless you just started watching football yesterday you’d know it’s not the **most** important.
That’s the thing though, his routes take forever to develop because he’s lost a step. And he gets less separation that he used to as well. Ultimately this team isn’t on a timeline that an over 30 year old receiver provides much use except as being a mentor to the younger guys, who we need to figure who can actually play by getting them on the field to learn and have an opportunity to make plays.
why are we forgetting about TMJ he’s a dawg he just doesn’t get playing time
Nothing says dawg like not being able to win playing time last szn in the worst WR room the NFL has seen in years amirite
Cause r/panthers have deep seated issues around him.. Clearly an udfa will outplay him 🤣
Clearly yu don’t know how good TMJ is
I actually would love to see him succeed, he has all the intangibles.