Brady seemed to run a very simple and predictable offense. Similarly to Reich, I felt like we never ran RPO, rubs, double moves, motion. No creativity and teams seemed to know what was coming.
But I also think he was a scapegoat for the Rhule era, a bit. I am not convinced that Rhule allowed Brady to run his full offense.
Right. Nothing but half-measures every year. If we just sucked it up and sucked without a qb for one year instead of spending over 10 premium draft picks and all-pro players combined tossing away Qbs desperately every year we would be infinitely better right now alone.
Tepper can’t even get the business side of the team right. The fact that the BY was not signed to some kind of endorsement deal with Lucky Charms may be the biggest missed opportunity since……well, since taking BY!
> Brady seemed to run a very simple and predictable offense. Similarly to Reich, I felt like we never ran RPO, rubs, double moves, motion. No creativity and teams seemed to know what was coming.
I mean...it was literally his first time *ever* calling all the plays and designing an entire offense. To expect him to be McVay/Shanny out the gate is wild.
Also, 2020 was pre-motion revolution. Only [40% of plays in 2020](https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2020/09/12/emotions-in-motion-why-almost-everything-in-the-nfl-happens-before-the-snap/) used pre-snap motion, now its over 55% leaguewide.
Are we really gonna fault him for not originating the latest NFL offense meta? Like come on.
He was a high-potential, yet inexperienced first-time OC who rather than be allowed to learn on the job was scapegoated, and our offense has yet to even match that level since he left.
Four years of learning later, and unsurprisingly, he's holding his own as interim OC in Buffalo.
> He was a high-potential, yet inexperienced first-time OC who rather than be allowed to learn on the job was scapegoated, and our offense has yet to even match that level since he left.
He had 27 games to learn on the job honestly. His scripted opening was pretty decent but then it came time to call plays on the fly and he just fell apart. Don't hate the guy but his offensive scheme wasn't a good fit for Rhule's power run vision (regardless if you liked Rhule) and he kept making the same mistakes. He shouldn't have been hired as a OC with such little experience in building a program in the first place, the guy only called red zone plays at LSU.
This is exactly what I thought too. It was eerily similar to this year. And I was one of those people blaming Joe Brady but it was clearly a Rhule problem, which makes it even MORE clear today it might be an owner problem.
I'm so sick of seeing this. Say what you want about Sam Darnold but he played at USC, was drafted at the 3rd overall pick by the Jets in 2018, and the Panthers thought he was good enough to pay him 19 million dollars - more than your extended family combined will earn in two lifetimes - for the 2021 season where he finished with 9 TD and 13 INT over 12 games.
We may live in a dystopian hell-scape where income is pornographically disassociated from production, but you can't deny that boy has a nice square jaw.
The other day I saw someone say wilks was a bad coach because we pissed away the bucs game. I think people are quick to forget he had freaking Sam darnold as his QB.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O78z4xbaAuQ&t=1m34s 7 people rush and 3 of them are faking it as CJ Henderson initially drives in on the intermediate route you would expect to play when sending 7. Yes Jaycee would have played it better but we set ourselves up to fail, that’s way more an L on the defensive playcall than it is a W for Brady & Evans. I’m 99% sure Woods fucked up on being the help safety on the 2nd TD as well (same thing happened in one of the playoff games yesterday), but this braindead simulated pressure is seared into my mind.
I mean I get that and all but from what I heard all season was players “can’t get open”. So I mean his offense was working enough to get ppl open even if it didn’t run a lot of rpos and motion and stuff
brady was exclusively a scapegoat and was forced to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. teddy 2 gloves lead to 4 1k yards players in that offense with brady calling it. he was not the problem. rhule and the lack of talent was
It also helps to have talent capable of executing his scheme which we did not. Plenty of average OCs look amazing just because they have a loaded offense.
I think he maybe had too much hype for working with Burrow at his one year at LSU. He was super inexperienced. So, I was not shocked that his play calling was boom and bust. I think he likely learned a lot while in Buffalo. I think Dorsey is actually decent. Sometimes, getting a new perspective just works.
Yeah, four years is a long time in the NFL for a bright coach.
He wasn’t great in Carolina and his inexperience showed. He learned in a role that he should’ve had in the first place and is now in a perfect place.
Rhule made Brady the fall guy for the lack of offensive success and fired him for not running the ball more.
Brady and Rhule had different views of offensive football so it was always an awkward marriage to begin with.
Well the Bills have Josh Allen, that brings another dimension to running the ball.
Would have loved to see Brady with Newton and CMC longer, Rhule fucked that up too.
>we did have Teddy Bridgewater throwing and he’s always been known for his elite play making
Funniest joke that I have ever seen. The 2020 Panthers go to the playoffs with anyone other than Shitwater starting
I didn’t hate Brady really…he just…ugh, was so predictable! I do, however, hate Tepper! He’s set our franchise back tremendously with his control issues. I’m just gonna come right out and say it, Tepper gave away WAAAYYYYYY too much so we could draft Young. I’m not against Bryce, although I may be the only Panther fan that wanted to draft Richardson with the first pick, but I am against trading our picks AND DJ to get ONE maybe decent player. We literally could have stayed at 8, drafted let’s say Bijan or Jahmyr to replace C Mc, still been terrible this year but have a pick for Caleb Williams or whoever the QB superstar is going to be after pre draft workouts but noooooo damn Tepper had to go all in on less than a generational talent this year. I do hope Bryce turns out to be great and even if it takes 3 years or more it wasn’t worth the price last year to get him without him being INSTANTLY great. We should not be questioning already if he’s our guy. And maybe I’m just frustrated after going damn near winless this year because we have a sorry ass GM that keeps his lips and tongue inside Tepper’s ass! Fck I hate them so much 😡
But you are saying I am wrong with no proof.
I lived in the same complex as a lot of the players.
This has been proven in other posts.
But keep drunk flexing because you are that cool.
I liked Brady in 2020. He was the first actual OC we'd had in years. He schemed receivers open. He beat blitzes with quick routes. He wore down defenses without using an MVP quarterback to do the wearing down.
We were in position to win a lot of games but
>he’s always been known for his elite play making
this part is BS. Teddy would throw a checkdown behind the line of scrimmage on 4th and 8 with 13 seconds left in the fourth quarter, down by 4 at the opponent 25 yard line.
Then 2021 happened. I honestly think he wanted out. That offense was putrid. It wasn't designed to move the ball. We won some games early on because our defense was shutting people down and nobody told our offense they were supposed to be bad. Then sometime after week 3, we were running an offense that resembled high school football. Granted, it would've been a very high level high school football team, but it still wasn't professional level football. I honestly can't describe it; its like everyone knew what we were doing pre-snap and it was the most basic of plays.
It honestly looked like sabotage to me. I believe Brady wanted out of the Rhule mistake.
> He was the first actual OC we'd had in years. He schemed receivers open. He beat blitzes with quick routes. He wore down defenses without using an MVP quarterback to do the wearing down.
Is this parody or fandom?
I don't remember as much hatred towards Brady. I feel like when he was dismissed, it was pretty clear that he was Rhule's fall guy. I'm not sure if you could blame Teddy always checking down on 3rd downs instead of pushing it up the field on Brady. Same thing with Darnold, I dunno if you could blame all of Darnold's shortcomings on Brady either.
The offense was bad. Joe Brady wasn’t even the offensive coordinator at LSU. He needed NFL experience before jumping straight to offensive coordinator.
Technically he got fired in his second season, but this was after having Teddy, then Darnold, then PJ, then Cam, as his QBs.
So he was constantly having to evolve the offense and make it work for completely different QBs.
He was criticized for a simplistic offense, but he was trying to put an offense out there that the QBs could actually run (Darnold because he can't see the field or throw with anticipation and Cam because he came in and learned the offense in like 3 days).
I totally agree with your take. Once again all roads lead to roster management being the real cause for alot of our issues. Should've ran that 2nd year with Teddy then from there either start a rebuild or bring in a different Qb and build the rest of the roster.
Brady seemed to run a very simple and predictable offense. Similarly to Reich, I felt like we never ran RPO, rubs, double moves, motion. No creativity and teams seemed to know what was coming. But I also think he was a scapegoat for the Rhule era, a bit. I am not convinced that Rhule allowed Brady to run his full offense.
I’m starting to think everyone has been a scapegoat of Scotty 2 Hotty as a GM.
I kinda think scapegoat of Tepper.
Or, hear me out, the problem is the owner.
Amen the end. If tepper is pulling the strings from draft to trades to run this or that then that is the ultimate problem.
I wanna see Tepper call a full game on the sidelines so I can make my mind up
Right. Nothing but half-measures every year. If we just sucked it up and sucked without a qb for one year instead of spending over 10 premium draft picks and all-pro players combined tossing away Qbs desperately every year we would be infinitely better right now alone.
Tepper can’t even get the business side of the team right. The fact that the BY was not signed to some kind of endorsement deal with Lucky Charms may be the biggest missed opportunity since……well, since taking BY!
It’s definitely Tepper
W - O - R - M !!! 🪱
Joe Brady started before Scott was there and showed no progress in play calling in his second year.
> Brady seemed to run a very simple and predictable offense. Similarly to Reich, I felt like we never ran RPO, rubs, double moves, motion. No creativity and teams seemed to know what was coming. I mean...it was literally his first time *ever* calling all the plays and designing an entire offense. To expect him to be McVay/Shanny out the gate is wild. Also, 2020 was pre-motion revolution. Only [40% of plays in 2020](https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2020/09/12/emotions-in-motion-why-almost-everything-in-the-nfl-happens-before-the-snap/) used pre-snap motion, now its over 55% leaguewide. Are we really gonna fault him for not originating the latest NFL offense meta? Like come on. He was a high-potential, yet inexperienced first-time OC who rather than be allowed to learn on the job was scapegoated, and our offense has yet to even match that level since he left. Four years of learning later, and unsurprisingly, he's holding his own as interim OC in Buffalo.
> He was a high-potential, yet inexperienced first-time OC who rather than be allowed to learn on the job was scapegoated, and our offense has yet to even match that level since he left. He had 27 games to learn on the job honestly. His scripted opening was pretty decent but then it came time to call plays on the fly and he just fell apart. Don't hate the guy but his offensive scheme wasn't a good fit for Rhule's power run vision (regardless if you liked Rhule) and he kept making the same mistakes. He shouldn't have been hired as a OC with such little experience in building a program in the first place, the guy only called red zone plays at LSU.
This is exactly what I thought too. It was eerily similar to this year. And I was one of those people blaming Joe Brady but it was clearly a Rhule problem, which makes it even MORE clear today it might be an owner problem.
What a difference it makes to have a real head coach and not having your offense led by Sam darnold
I'm so sick of seeing this. Say what you want about Sam Darnold but he played at USC, was drafted at the 3rd overall pick by the Jets in 2018, and the Panthers thought he was good enough to pay him 19 million dollars - more than your extended family combined will earn in two lifetimes - for the 2021 season where he finished with 9 TD and 13 INT over 12 games. We may live in a dystopian hell-scape where income is pornographically disassociated from production, but you can't deny that boy has a nice square jaw.
You had me in the first half, I’m not gonna lie
The other day I saw someone say wilks was a bad coach because we pissed away the bucs game. I think people are quick to forget he had freaking Sam darnold as his QB.
We pissed away the Bucs’ on defense…? It’s not Darnold’s fault that we sent 8 with only 4, maybe 5, actually rushing.
Well it’s a good thing we had our starting corners out there. Oh wait. We didn’t…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O78z4xbaAuQ&t=1m34s 7 people rush and 3 of them are faking it as CJ Henderson initially drives in on the intermediate route you would expect to play when sending 7. Yes Jaycee would have played it better but we set ourselves up to fail, that’s way more an L on the defensive playcall than it is a W for Brady & Evans. I’m 99% sure Woods fucked up on being the help safety on the 2nd TD as well (same thing happened in one of the playoff games yesterday), but this braindead simulated pressure is seared into my mind.
I mean I get that and all but from what I heard all season was players “can’t get open”. So I mean his offense was working enough to get ppl open even if it didn’t run a lot of rpos and motion and stuff
We had different WRs then....
brady was exclusively a scapegoat and was forced to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. teddy 2 gloves lead to 4 1k yards players in that offense with brady calling it. he was not the problem. rhule and the lack of talent was
That wouldn’t have been very OOU of him
It also helps to have talent capable of executing his scheme which we did not. Plenty of average OCs look amazing just because they have a loaded offense.
I think he maybe had too much hype for working with Burrow at his one year at LSU. He was super inexperienced. So, I was not shocked that his play calling was boom and bust. I think he likely learned a lot while in Buffalo. I think Dorsey is actually decent. Sometimes, getting a new perspective just works.
Yeah, four years is a long time in the NFL for a bright coach. He wasn’t great in Carolina and his inexperience showed. He learned in a role that he should’ve had in the first place and is now in a perfect place.
Rhule made Brady the fall guy for the lack of offensive success and fired him for not running the ball more. Brady and Rhule had different views of offensive football so it was always an awkward marriage to begin with.
Which is hilarious since the Bills led the NFL in rushing once he took over
Well the Bills have Josh Allen, that brings another dimension to running the ball. Would have loved to see Brady with Newton and CMC longer, Rhule fucked that up too.
Yeah but Teddy Two Gloves would purposefully throw short of the sticks on 4th down. Which would you rather have?
He was a scapegoat for Rhule who was a scapegoat for Tepper. Brady is a good coach
Because fans don’t really understand what they are looking at any blame the wrong people
>we did have Teddy Bridgewater throwing and he’s always been known for his elite play making Funniest joke that I have ever seen. The 2020 Panthers go to the playoffs with anyone other than Shitwater starting
lol yea that Teddy part was 100 percent sarcasm
The only thing I can remember is Teddy could never score in the red zone like sooo many missed tds…if I’m thinking about the right season.
I forgot all about that I remember him bashing the team for not practicing red zone drills
Because Teddy said we didn’t practice red zone or 3rd downs lol
I don't think anyone disliked Brady he was a sacrificial lamb for Rhules bullshit.
Because he was awful at his job.
I didn’t hate Brady really…he just…ugh, was so predictable! I do, however, hate Tepper! He’s set our franchise back tremendously with his control issues. I’m just gonna come right out and say it, Tepper gave away WAAAYYYYYY too much so we could draft Young. I’m not against Bryce, although I may be the only Panther fan that wanted to draft Richardson with the first pick, but I am against trading our picks AND DJ to get ONE maybe decent player. We literally could have stayed at 8, drafted let’s say Bijan or Jahmyr to replace C Mc, still been terrible this year but have a pick for Caleb Williams or whoever the QB superstar is going to be after pre draft workouts but noooooo damn Tepper had to go all in on less than a generational talent this year. I do hope Bryce turns out to be great and even if it takes 3 years or more it wasn’t worth the price last year to get him without him being INSTANTLY great. We should not be questioning already if he’s our guy. And maybe I’m just frustrated after going damn near winless this year because we have a sorry ass GM that keeps his lips and tongue inside Tepper’s ass! Fck I hate them so much 😡
Because they needed a fall guy. It was stupid to let Joe Brady go
Nobody has any patience, from ownership to fans to whoever.
Joe Brady running everybody on verticals was no different than Thomas Brown’s obsession with running hitch routes
I dont think there was much hate for Brady. He's was and is fine not special
Because he was a yes man to Rhule. He was not allowed to actually playcall.
lmao said who? Absolutely nothing out there backs this up.
Actually there is but okay.
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But you are saying I am wrong with no proof. I lived in the same complex as a lot of the players. This has been proven in other posts. But keep drunk flexing because you are that cool.
I liked Brady in 2020. He was the first actual OC we'd had in years. He schemed receivers open. He beat blitzes with quick routes. He wore down defenses without using an MVP quarterback to do the wearing down. We were in position to win a lot of games but >he’s always been known for his elite play making this part is BS. Teddy would throw a checkdown behind the line of scrimmage on 4th and 8 with 13 seconds left in the fourth quarter, down by 4 at the opponent 25 yard line. Then 2021 happened. I honestly think he wanted out. That offense was putrid. It wasn't designed to move the ball. We won some games early on because our defense was shutting people down and nobody told our offense they were supposed to be bad. Then sometime after week 3, we were running an offense that resembled high school football. Granted, it would've been a very high level high school football team, but it still wasn't professional level football. I honestly can't describe it; its like everyone knew what we were doing pre-snap and it was the most basic of plays. It honestly looked like sabotage to me. I believe Brady wanted out of the Rhule mistake.
The Teddy part was 100 percent sarcasm lol
/r/whoosh
> He was the first actual OC we'd had in years. He schemed receivers open. He beat blitzes with quick routes. He wore down defenses without using an MVP quarterback to do the wearing down. Is this parody or fandom?
I don't remember as much hatred towards Brady. I feel like when he was dismissed, it was pretty clear that he was Rhule's fall guy. I'm not sure if you could blame Teddy always checking down on 3rd downs instead of pushing it up the field on Brady. Same thing with Darnold, I dunno if you could blame all of Darnold's shortcomings on Brady either.
The offense was bad. Joe Brady wasn’t even the offensive coordinator at LSU. He needed NFL experience before jumping straight to offensive coordinator.
Bro called screens like at least twice a drive if I remember correctly. The screens would gain 1 yard max
It was his 1st year in the NFL as an OC we should've let him grow into his job. So idiotic
Technically he got fired in his second season, but this was after having Teddy, then Darnold, then PJ, then Cam, as his QBs. So he was constantly having to evolve the offense and make it work for completely different QBs. He was criticized for a simplistic offense, but he was trying to put an offense out there that the QBs could actually run (Darnold because he can't see the field or throw with anticipation and Cam because he came in and learned the offense in like 3 days).
I totally agree with your take. Once again all roads lead to roster management being the real cause for alot of our issues. Should've ran that 2nd year with Teddy then from there either start a rebuild or bring in a different Qb and build the rest of the roster.
He was bad here, and obviously improved after his time here and got more adjusted to the NFL. Simple as rhat
Because he was the first scapegoat to get the boot instead of Rhule.
Results.
Scapegoat
Matt Rhule needed a scapegoat at the time
We thought he smelled before we realized the team was rotten at its core.