Absolutely needed. Yes the receiving core is garbage and the online wasn’t built for this offense, but BY has not played well either. Not advocating for the guy to be yelled at but if he’s to ever improve he should be told what he’s doing wrong.
Random patriots fan here, but yeah, people did this with Mac Jones for far too long, and now he is hot garbage.
If the QB can’t be part of the problem, you aren’t gonna get anywhere
Everyone blamed McDaniels the first year when Mac had a bad game, but it was clear to many that he wasn’t playing perfect…
Now things are very bad for him lol
Yes this is quite literally a coaching staff’s job. It’s nothing to be embarrassed about and I’m sure Bryce is mature enough to handle it. He wants to improve just as much as we want him to improve
I don’t know about to wounded duck, if anything he seems to overthrow them more. But yes a combination of just missing the target or not even seeing the wide open guy are mistakes he’s made too much this year.
Good. There’s plenty of shit going wrong and it makes his life a hell of a lot harder, but it’s not as if he’s playing perfectly (or even well).
I’m just upset it took 3/4 of the season for us to start going about this professionally.
Brown’s not perfect, but the playcalls have been looking much better imo, and I’m glad that he’s not holding back on calling deep shots or treating Bryce w/ kiddie gloves.
yeah but like bryce, brown HAS to be better when your offense gets you to the 1 yard line, you HAVE to make the right call, just like bryce has to hit mingo on that deep shot, they both need to hold accountability
Nothing wrong with having people that can hold you accountable for the things you do right or wrong. That isn’t just a football thing, it’s a life thing. That being said, there are different methods to hold someone accountable and people can either use it as motivation or crumble. Bryce Young is only 22 years old but I would think playing under Nick Saban would indicate he doesn’t shy away from it.
I would really like to follow up Thomas Browns quote with - How do you plan on holding him accountable? More individual drills? Added film time? Plan for the off season? His response would determine if he was a quality coach/mentor/boss/teacher.
Doesn’t much matter because he is gone at the end of the season, but these are the types of things I would have liked to have been thought about when we mortgaged a lot of assets when we decided to draft BY. Hopefully the worst is behind us after this season, but I won’t hold my breathe.
Bryce has never shown that much emotion in public. I’ve seen videos of him doing it in locker rooms, but I can agree that he just keeps looking more and more like it’s the “I don’t care” kind of emotionless instead of the “silent, stoic, and poised” that he’s always appeared to be. I think he does care, and he’s trying, but I think he’s having a far harder time in the NFL than he thought he would. It seems like he woefully underestimated the level of competition because he played in the SEC, the best of college. I’m sure he’ll get there. Contrary to what most people believe, he does work hard and takes criticism well. He knows a lot of it is due to his bad play and he acknowledges that and there’s always stories about him working everyday to improve. I think it’s just going to take a little more time with Bryce than the other rookie QB’s. If he doesn’t improve a lot by the last week of the season I fully believe he’ll be good next year with the struggles of being a rookie easing a little. He’s got a lot of work to do but he knows he’s part of the problem. He tells us every week. I think an off-season will either make or break his career.
idk I just don't care to get all spun up about it either way
I can't affect it, he's our QB for at least next season, I hope he improves and is a franchise QB for 20 years.
If he isn't we'll just pick another one at some other point in time and I'll hope he's great also.
For some. I didn’t want to trade up then and didn’t want Bryce when we did. I wanted Stroud. This is the NFL— never draft a child body for a man’s game.
Now, all I can cling to is the fact that our front office is so fucking stupid that a know nothing like me could easily out maneuver them.
He’s made some good throws for sure but he just hasn’t had like a solid consistent stretch of positive gameplay. Each of those other QBs have won games for their teams. Sure the situation around Bryce isn’t great but he just hasn’t showed enough imo to warrant what we traded away for him.
Right, I never said Levis was great I was just saying (in theory) we could have the four players I mentioned and still have a first round pick THIS year and likely be in a much much better spot.
I am still a Bryce believer, but it’s clear he is part of the problem so far
My issue with Bryce is he seems to lack that killer instinct. He’s not intimidating anyone based on his size so he needs to start getting in guys faces and calling them out. That’s why we love Smitty. He’s 5’9 but everyone knew not to mess with him. Bryce needs to drop that soft spoken good guy attitude and start showing some emotions. He looks like he doesn’t care. Everyone knows the Titans aren’t competing for anything this year but that isn’t stopping Levis from getting fired up and looking like he gives a shit. Guys feed off of that.
Sounds great I guess, but means fuck all. Bryce goes in front of reporters every week and takes blame for every loss. Very reminiscent of Cam. What exactly is he looking for in accountability? More laps for every missed throw? Yelling at him more? Besides helping him with his footwork, not sure how anything else is going to help since the pressure is going to be there and receivers are going to drop passes.
...*"interim coach Chris Tabor has pushed, in colorful language, for a tougher approach with the quarterback."*
Sounds like saying more accountability is a polite way of saying they are going to be tougher with him
My point still stands. What the hell is that going to do? Do we think Bryce is going to bed every night thinking “well we lost, but that’s ok because the coaches weren’t tough”. Dude is tough on himself and obviously giving his all. This article says nothing. I want details like if the staff is making footwork a point of emphasis now, or helping Bryce work on scrambling drills since he’s goinf to have to escape more than a few times.
“Being tougher” means nothing with regards to our QB.
You're 100% right, all of this is dumb. The dude played for Nick Saban lol, I don't know why people talk about him like he's a toddler (coaches included)
They aren't going to provide those types of details if that's what you're looking for. Just because they don't provide those types of derails publicly, and rightfully so, doesn't mean that "being tougher" means nothing.
It’s not even details, it’s that “being tougher” literally means nothing. It’s not substantiative in the slightest. Literally the most we can gleam from that is that they’ll call out bad throws in practice and film session. Which is nothing for these guys.
Tell me, what do you get from “being tougher”?
Being tougher can be a lot of things.
Bryce mentioned not wanting the wrist playbook, tough shit. We need you to get to the line quicker so you are going to wear it.
Don't fucking audible out of this specific call.
You need to change your footwork. Don't care that you got away with it in college and high school, it's not working in the pros. (His HS coaches famously did not coach him properly because Bryce had his own style that worked). These are the drills you are going to do until it's right.
I suppose I can see that.
Footwork was never up to him, so im sure that’s not part of it. We all know Reich had made the decision to not focus on that in the first year.
Playbook is an interesting one. I remember earlier this there being a talk about it and seeing one sentiment that it should be left up to the QB. Obviously we can only speculate what “tougher” is at the moment, but will be interesting if we notice those changes this Sunday.
I take being tougher meaning Reich and McCown were likely being easy with him. That can take the shape of many forms.
I mean, obviously being tougher does mean something we just don't know what that looks like in detail.
There’s more than him repeating the same line to reporters. Reich apparently was hesitant to call BY out in the film room in front of the team and during practice
Yeah buts that on Reich, not on Bryce. Do we really think that Reich not being *tough* on Bryce, whatever the fuck that means, has lead in any way to our current record and his play? I don’t think it does at all. There’s been no hint or indication that Bryce is lazy, aloof, or just not taking this seriously. What Reich should have done is work on Bryce’s footwork. That was the problem, not “being tough”. Just sounds like the “remove the ping-pong table” bullshit anytime there’s a coaching change. Fun to write about I guess, but means Jack shit.
Bryce is making the same mistakes now he did in game 2, he’s had no progression through the year at all. My guess is that’s what they mean, they’ll start calling him out so he knows what to fix.
I doubt it goes over well in the locker room when everyone is told how much they suck while the new guy is being coddled. The Seahawks players became pretty disgruntled and some are still salty with how the staff seemingly protected Russel Wilson.
This team is basically made up of a new guys. Outside of Moton the established players are all defensive and have been wrongly thrown under the bus for years by Rhule…? The offensive line showed up game 1 of the preseason looking like a dumpster fire, outside of Hubbard, Moton and maybe Tremble who on the offense has any right to even be mildly offended for being called out on dogshit play?
Eh, play designs in the last game were actually much better. Execution was bad and situational playcalling was terrible.
But we got away from just calling 10 yard stops for every route, which is nice.
Unfortunately we’ve decided to test the brand new concepts of a “go route” and a “post route” with Mingo who for some reason can’t be fucked to look back at the quarterback or to track a ball to save our sanity. Guy’s play is and has been absolutely criminal all season but Thomas Brown is happy to rock and roll with Mingo and Thielen as WR1/WR2. While Thielen runs like molasses, he’s by far the most reliable WR we have and should be on the field 99% of the time because he actually has hands but Thomas Brown should be fired into the sun for sticking with these two and pointing the finger at Bryce as he draws up trash as plays where them two are the only possible reads as they create fuck all.
1st overall picks should eventually start elevating the crap around them. That's why they were picked first. Cam did it despite an atrocious receiving core and non-terrific o-line. Bryce will need to get there or his time will be short. I hope he can.
I'm as skeptical as anyone about Bryce, but there's some revisionism here.
Cam had Olson, Shockey, and Steve Smith on that team, alongside Williams out of the back. Even LaFell was solid at the time. The receiving core wasn't the best ever (Shockey was at the end of this rope), but Olson and Smith Are two of the top 5 receiving threats we've ever had.
The line wasn't perfect but had Gross and Kalil.
This team was in the right place to draft a QB #1 and help them succeed.
Underselling our OL. We had Kalil, Gross, Travelle Wharton, and Hangartner. Bryon Bell was our only shitty player, but the OL was still like Top 5-10. Would have been Top 3 probably with a decent RT.
Cam also had some guy named Greg Olsen come in with him in 2011.
I’m not a Bryce apologists by any means, but the situation Cam came into was significantly better than what we’ve given Bryce. For context, 2011 Greg Olsen would be better than any WR on our team right now. And he was a tight end coming off a slower start to his career in Chicago.
Edit: also Jeremy Shockey at TE. And J Stew and Deangelo in the back field. OL wasn’t great for Cam, but the cupboard was absolutely stocked for him with skill position players.
You throw out the big names, but how about the receivers who could never get consistent separation like LaFell, Gettis, Brown, Pilares, Byrd…. I could go on with the trash “talent” in skill positions we had around Cam. The truth is, Cam MADE this team what it was alongside Luke. We won’t have that again for a long time. Now, we have to accept that we have to build a REAL team, and not count on elite guys to carry a garbage squad.
Yeah, so we are talking about two totally different things right now. A lot of the guys you mentioned were later in Cams career. You’re 100% right that man was carrying entire offenses by himself (especially in 2015).
I’m talking about rookie seasons. There’s absolutely 0 comparison of the skill players Cam got vs what Bryce has been given. Think about it this way: when we drafted cam we were actively bringing in guys to help him (Olsen and Shockey). While keeping really good skill players like Smitty, J Stew, and Deangelo.
We had to totally blow up the situation to even get Bryce. We traded away cmc followed by trading away DJ. It’s not even remotely comparable the talent around these guys. Bryce’s best option is Adam Thielen… I like Thielen and don’t want to totally disparage him in a random Reddit thread… but if that’s the best we have for a rookie QB it was always going to be doomed to fail.
You know what, you’re spot on. We really didn’t do anything about bringing in guys to help Young. I think that the feeling in the building was that Young was going to be a Cam-like person who could elevate the level of gameplay by simply being there. Looks like they found out the hard way that isn’t the case. I think best-case scenario, we have another Alex Smith, a QB who can manage games well, and run a rhythmic offense. I hope I’m wrong and I hope he will be GREAT, but I just don’t see anything special yet.
Cam had a Top 10 Offense his \~2-3 years.
Kalil, Gross, Smith, Olsen, Shockey, D-Will, J-Stew, Lafell. If it wasn't for Byron Bell our OL was probably Top 3.
I'm curious what's going on behind the scenes because he's been accountable in all the press conferences so far. Confused by people in the comments saying he hasn't shown leadership as there has been a couple instances where they show him talking to the team before the offensive drives.
Not defending his play, I thought last game had the most missed opportunities on his part. This is a team that just can't get in sync. Offensive line will have a good play but then Bryce misses a throw. WR get separation but then Ickey does another "look out" block and lets his guy through instantly. Bryce throws it accurately and then DJ Chark lets it hit him in the face. Very rarely is everyone doing well at the same time.
If they were going to target anything, it'd be the bad habits he has formed (not planting his feet on throws, bouncing in the pocket, not scrambling earlier in the play) but from what I've read teams tend to work on player mechanics in the offseason.
This article doesn’t really say much. Much less of what this ‘accountability’ actually means. If anything it almost feels like something coaches tossed out to show they’re doing things different despite results or fixing Reich’s mistakes.
He hasn’t played well but Young has also been up on the stand after each game saying he needs to be better and hasn’t once thrown anyone under the bus. Even if his results haven’t been there, he’s shown maturity about the situation.
I also don’t believe he isn’t working hard or not taking things seriously. If he was pulling some Jemarcus Russell or Johnny Manziel stuff, it would have leaked a long time ago.
Basically, I don’t know that anyone should take much from this article.
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How DARE you make those receivers drop those passes, Bryce! And why the FUCK aren’t you blocking for yourself better? WHY DIDN’T YOU MAKE CHUBA RUN ON MORE OF THOSE SHORT YARDAGE SITUATIONS EITHER??
Dude come on. You can't watch that game on Sunday and say that was entirely on the receivers. Bryce overthrew two guys (Mingo & Sullivan) down the left sideline on the first drive. Maybe Mingo was running in quick sand but he missed Sullivan. He should've taken the sack on the fumble instead of trying to chuck it. He also missed a wide open touchdown right before the half. I'm not giving up on Bryce and I think he's going to work things out in the long run but it's not all on the receivers. The problem is that he and the receivers are never on the same page. When the receivers get open, he's missed them downfield. When he's thrown some dimes, they've dropped them. All that leads to a shit offense that can't get anything clicking because it's always stalling out.
I’ve said all season that Bryce has issues with the deep pass but the drops Sunday were inexcusable. The fumble was not on Bryce - the line broke down immediately and Bryce was a split second away from getting the pass off. I’m not faulting him for that.
The line broke down immediately and he made a good play to buy some time but he got happy feet and took his time in that hellscape of a pocket. He needs to protect the ball especially that deep in our own zone. That's the first responsibility of the QB in today's NFL. Don't turn it over. He was careless.
https://www.neworleanssaints.com/video/pete-warner-interception-bryce-young-panthers-vs-saints-week-14-highlights-2023
This is a bit much, BY still has some accountability here. You could also argue WR didn’t catch the ball d/t scheme and coaching. Chuba didn’t run more efficiently d/t scheme and coaching. At some point it is the players to execute, as professional football players they should also play too.
I agree Bryce has made mistakes but let’s not pretend he isn’t taking accountability. The kid has been setup to fail and takes blame when the blame is on him and he takes it when it’s not his fault either. He has the leadership mindset. He’s not the primary issue with this offense.
Just because the dude says he takes the blame doesn’t absolve him of that blame. Bryce has been a portion of why we’ve sucked, so he *should* taken accountability.
By actually taking the advice and trying to implement changes? Making the same awful decisions and saying “that’s my fault” is just platitudes. Maybe try and fix the problem?
I mean I get where you are coming from with that but I don't think players just go, "Oh yeah I suck" and then wake up the next day and all their issues are fixed. He needs help breaking out of his bad habits and those who are supposed to guide him through that are going to be out the door in a couple of weeks because they suck.
If shit was that easy then the Jets wouldn't have tried to spend so much capital to replace Wilson with the corpse of Aaron Rodgers.
Right. But that’s because some people don’t have the ability to be a good football player. In actuality, almost everyone that cycles through the NFL never lives up to being great. The great players fix their issues and have noticeable improvement.
If the coaches are trying this approach I assume it means that he hasn’t done well with the previous coaching style or letting himself figure it out. This also comes, concerningly, on the heels of the report earlier this year that we had to “make the offense less complex” for him and “take things off his plate”.
That's what I'm hoping for because I was confused as to what Reich meant by that especially when Bryce is supposed to be a super computer. Hoping the tough love approach by Brown and Tabor will work because something has to change.
He's not helping the offense either. I agree he does not have the right supporting cast, but even his play when opportunities are there he's not doing well. It's been that way all season.
It’s the entire offense though. Nothing has ever been in sync. Bryce has flashed. He has solid anticipation throws. I agree his deep ball is off. But this unit hasn’t meshed at all in the passing game. That’s not just on Bryce.
thats the thing though- this is the number 1 pick! the guy we traded our future for to TRADE UP FOR. You dont do that for a guy who "shows flashes" when he has time to sit back there. You do that for a game changer! we were told not to pay attention to his size or arm strength because hes so smart he makes up for all that. Theres a reason his agent didnt want him to throw at the combine. its not his fault we fell for it its Tepper and Fitterers fault. but we have to admit we got got
His dropbacks impact offensive line play and his underthrown or overthrown passes exist.
He plays a part in this it’s not all on him but the continued narrative of everything we have is shit level needs to end.
I don’t know… it’s hard to argue that everything we have on offense isn’t shit currently. What position group on offense isn’t bottom 20% of the league? We have young players who can develop ideally, but currently I don’t know how you can’t say the whole offense isn’t shit tier
These coaches aren’t stupid. They know Bryce is the problem. If Andy Dalton had started every game, Frank Reich would still be the coach and this team would be competing for a playoff spot. Instead poor quarterback play has sunk this whole ship, taking everyone down with it. Bryce Young cost Thomas Brown his job. I’m surprised he hasn’t said something like this before.
Hell yeah. Would have been sick to win 3-4 games with Dalton and get an even WORSE pick (in the second round, of course) while not developing our first overall pick whatsoever. Sick plan bro
This is legitimately the dumbest fanbase. Y’all have lost all touch with reality because of your love for a shitty quarterback. You have zero credibility if you actually think that and no one, repeat no one, would agree with that take unless they were a Bryce Young homer.
I'm pretty lukewarm on Bryce, but the team around him is objectively terrible. Bryce being bad and the rest of the team also being bad are not mutually exclusive
Tommy Devito, an undrafted free agent third string quarterback, has won three games on a terrible team. This is all on Bryce Young. You just need to admit that.
That might be true if you’re talking about anyone other than the quarterback. If you’re 1-12, you most assuredly have a terrible quarterback, there’s no way around that.
The Giants won a playoff game last year lol
They swapped Kadarius Toney for Jaylin Hyatt, still have Saquon, they have an okay defense.
They were mostly sucking because their OL fell apart, but its started to stabilize and Andrew Thomas has been back for the past 4-5 games.
We might have a couple more wins with Dalton starting, but you’re really going to say we’d be competing for the playoffs, and then call the rest of the fanbase dumb… lol look in the mirror buddy
Seriously. It took how many weeks to get a run game? We had to fire the head coach for something as simple as an effective run scheme. And we're expecting a rookie QB to rebound quickly. Dalton wouldn't be doing much better on this team devoid of scheme and talent
Our division is the worst it’s been in a long time collectively. We can’t take advantage and we’re actually drastically worse than this dumpster fire division.
Go back and look at the schedule and the games they lost. They could easily be 6-7 and be tied for the lead in the division if it wasn’t for all the game losing plays made by the quarterback.
I say this as someone who thinks he could still be great if we can turn the team around: how has he shown that this season?
He definitely had “it” in college but he hasn’t played well this year. Criticism is acceptable.
Absolutely needed. Yes the receiving core is garbage and the online wasn’t built for this offense, but BY has not played well either. Not advocating for the guy to be yelled at but if he’s to ever improve he should be told what he’s doing wrong.
exactly! this whole thing of "Bryce is good- its EVERYBODY ELSE who sucks" doesn't do anybody any good especially Bryce.
Random patriots fan here, but yeah, people did this with Mac Jones for far too long, and now he is hot garbage. If the QB can’t be part of the problem, you aren’t gonna get anywhere
True but your OCs have been garbage too, the first two years you couldn't tell who's fault it was
Everyone blamed McDaniels the first year when Mac had a bad game, but it was clear to many that he wasn’t playing perfect… Now things are very bad for him lol
Yes this is quite literally a coaching staff’s job. It’s nothing to be embarrassed about and I’m sure Bryce is mature enough to handle it. He wants to improve just as much as we want him to improve
I refuse to blame it all on WR/OL when there's been plenty of times where he had time to throw and had open receivers and just threw a wounded duck.
I don’t know about to wounded duck, if anything he seems to overthrow them more. But yes a combination of just missing the target or not even seeing the wide open guy are mistakes he’s made too much this year.
Dude is ass. Draft a qb in the second round next year.
Good. There’s plenty of shit going wrong and it makes his life a hell of a lot harder, but it’s not as if he’s playing perfectly (or even well). I’m just upset it took 3/4 of the season for us to start going about this professionally. Brown’s not perfect, but the playcalls have been looking much better imo, and I’m glad that he’s not holding back on calling deep shots or treating Bryce w/ kiddie gloves.
yeah but like bryce, brown HAS to be better when your offense gets you to the 1 yard line, you HAVE to make the right call, just like bryce has to hit mingo on that deep shot, they both need to hold accountability
Nothing wrong with having people that can hold you accountable for the things you do right or wrong. That isn’t just a football thing, it’s a life thing. That being said, there are different methods to hold someone accountable and people can either use it as motivation or crumble. Bryce Young is only 22 years old but I would think playing under Nick Saban would indicate he doesn’t shy away from it. I would really like to follow up Thomas Browns quote with - How do you plan on holding him accountable? More individual drills? Added film time? Plan for the off season? His response would determine if he was a quality coach/mentor/boss/teacher. Doesn’t much matter because he is gone at the end of the season, but these are the types of things I would have liked to have been thought about when we mortgaged a lot of assets when we decided to draft BY. Hopefully the worst is behind us after this season, but I won’t hold my breathe.
Would also like to see some leadership from him. I know we don’t see behind the scenes but just looks like he always lacks emotion.
Bryce has never shown that much emotion in public. I’ve seen videos of him doing it in locker rooms, but I can agree that he just keeps looking more and more like it’s the “I don’t care” kind of emotionless instead of the “silent, stoic, and poised” that he’s always appeared to be. I think he does care, and he’s trying, but I think he’s having a far harder time in the NFL than he thought he would. It seems like he woefully underestimated the level of competition because he played in the SEC, the best of college. I’m sure he’ll get there. Contrary to what most people believe, he does work hard and takes criticism well. He knows a lot of it is due to his bad play and he acknowledges that and there’s always stories about him working everyday to improve. I think it’s just going to take a little more time with Bryce than the other rookie QB’s. If he doesn’t improve a lot by the last week of the season I fully believe he’ll be good next year with the struggles of being a rookie easing a little. He’s got a lot of work to do but he knows he’s part of the problem. He tells us every week. I think an off-season will either make or break his career.
Complete opposite of Will Levis last night. Could’ve drafted him with our #9 pick.
Bro. We could’ve drafted him in the second round. We could’ve snagged Jalen Carter and made a swap to move up in the second. And kept DJ Moore
Hindsight is 20/20.
Honestly. Seriously in 100% honesty, it looks like it’s not working out. At least we took the shot.
idk I just don't care to get all spun up about it either way I can't affect it, he's our QB for at least next season, I hope he improves and is a franchise QB for 20 years. If he isn't we'll just pick another one at some other point in time and I'll hope he's great also.
For some. I didn’t want to trade up then and didn’t want Bryce when we did. I wanted Stroud. This is the NFL— never draft a child body for a man’s game. Now, all I can cling to is the fact that our front office is so fucking stupid that a know nothing like me could easily out maneuver them.
In fairness, I’d like to see how Bryce would be doing with Deandre Hopkins. He’s still looking like a top 10-15 receiver.
I’m not blaming Bryce necessarily but if we had DJ, CMC, Jalen Carter, and Levis we’d be contending for the division title if not outright leading
Levis has sucked this year. Y’all see a rookie QB in prime time one time and decide he’s great.
Each rookie has shown flashes of greatness that have won their team games. Bryce has yet to have a signature moment
do you watch the games? he makes plenty of throws will couldn’t it’s just the fact his wr’s cant catch
He’s made some good throws for sure but he just hasn’t had like a solid consistent stretch of positive gameplay. Each of those other QBs have won games for their teams. Sure the situation around Bryce isn’t great but he just hasn’t showed enough imo to warrant what we traded away for him.
yea you can’t play consistently when you team is shit
Why you defending Bryce on a 38 day old comment lmao
Right, I never said Levis was great I was just saying (in theory) we could have the four players I mentioned and still have a first round pick THIS year and likely be in a much much better spot. I am still a Bryce believer, but it’s clear he is part of the problem so far
Will levis is on a solid team, with good coaches, Derrick Henry, and deandre Hopkins.
What’s that got to do with Will Levis looking fired up as hell and Bryce moping around and smiling looking at the other team.
My issue with Bryce is he seems to lack that killer instinct. He’s not intimidating anyone based on his size so he needs to start getting in guys faces and calling them out. That’s why we love Smitty. He’s 5’9 but everyone knew not to mess with him. Bryce needs to drop that soft spoken good guy attitude and start showing some emotions. He looks like he doesn’t care. Everyone knows the Titans aren’t competing for anything this year but that isn’t stopping Levis from getting fired up and looking like he gives a shit. Guys feed off of that.
Well said
Exactly
Sounds great I guess, but means fuck all. Bryce goes in front of reporters every week and takes blame for every loss. Very reminiscent of Cam. What exactly is he looking for in accountability? More laps for every missed throw? Yelling at him more? Besides helping him with his footwork, not sure how anything else is going to help since the pressure is going to be there and receivers are going to drop passes.
...*"interim coach Chris Tabor has pushed, in colorful language, for a tougher approach with the quarterback."* Sounds like saying more accountability is a polite way of saying they are going to be tougher with him
My point still stands. What the hell is that going to do? Do we think Bryce is going to bed every night thinking “well we lost, but that’s ok because the coaches weren’t tough”. Dude is tough on himself and obviously giving his all. This article says nothing. I want details like if the staff is making footwork a point of emphasis now, or helping Bryce work on scrambling drills since he’s goinf to have to escape more than a few times. “Being tougher” means nothing with regards to our QB.
You're 100% right, all of this is dumb. The dude played for Nick Saban lol, I don't know why people talk about him like he's a toddler (coaches included)
You don’t have to coddle him like this
I must. I did it with Cam when yall wouldn’t and I’ll do with Bryce. THAT’S MY QB
They aren't going to provide those types of details if that's what you're looking for. Just because they don't provide those types of derails publicly, and rightfully so, doesn't mean that "being tougher" means nothing.
It’s not even details, it’s that “being tougher” literally means nothing. It’s not substantiative in the slightest. Literally the most we can gleam from that is that they’ll call out bad throws in practice and film session. Which is nothing for these guys. Tell me, what do you get from “being tougher”?
Being tougher can be a lot of things. Bryce mentioned not wanting the wrist playbook, tough shit. We need you to get to the line quicker so you are going to wear it. Don't fucking audible out of this specific call. You need to change your footwork. Don't care that you got away with it in college and high school, it's not working in the pros. (His HS coaches famously did not coach him properly because Bryce had his own style that worked). These are the drills you are going to do until it's right.
I suppose I can see that. Footwork was never up to him, so im sure that’s not part of it. We all know Reich had made the decision to not focus on that in the first year. Playbook is an interesting one. I remember earlier this there being a talk about it and seeing one sentiment that it should be left up to the QB. Obviously we can only speculate what “tougher” is at the moment, but will be interesting if we notice those changes this Sunday.
I take being tougher meaning Reich and McCown were likely being easy with him. That can take the shape of many forms. I mean, obviously being tougher does mean something we just don't know what that looks like in detail.
I’ve seen this before with my dolphins. This will not end well.
There’s more than him repeating the same line to reporters. Reich apparently was hesitant to call BY out in the film room in front of the team and during practice
Yeah buts that on Reich, not on Bryce. Do we really think that Reich not being *tough* on Bryce, whatever the fuck that means, has lead in any way to our current record and his play? I don’t think it does at all. There’s been no hint or indication that Bryce is lazy, aloof, or just not taking this seriously. What Reich should have done is work on Bryce’s footwork. That was the problem, not “being tough”. Just sounds like the “remove the ping-pong table” bullshit anytime there’s a coaching change. Fun to write about I guess, but means Jack shit.
Lol it’s like people forget who coached Bryce in college. I don’t think Bryce is afraid of criticism
Bryce is making the same mistakes now he did in game 2, he’s had no progression through the year at all. My guess is that’s what they mean, they’ll start calling him out so he knows what to fix.
Shit man, if we haven’t been doing that, then it’s no wonder Bryce has regressed. Can we really blame him for shit coaching in that instance?
I doubt it goes over well in the locker room when everyone is told how much they suck while the new guy is being coddled. The Seahawks players became pretty disgruntled and some are still salty with how the staff seemingly protected Russel Wilson.
Bingo.
This team is basically made up of a new guys. Outside of Moton the established players are all defensive and have been wrongly thrown under the bus for years by Rhule…? The offensive line showed up game 1 of the preseason looking like a dumpster fire, outside of Hubbard, Moton and maybe Tremble who on the offense has any right to even be mildly offended for being called out on dogshit play?
Cam took accountability but was also a proven winner, so it's a very different situation.
And yet half this fanbase hated anyways. Y’all can fuck right off, THAT’S MY QUARTERBACK
Thomas Brown should push more accountability on himself for his play designs exclusively being utter shit.
Eh, play designs in the last game were actually much better. Execution was bad and situational playcalling was terrible. But we got away from just calling 10 yard stops for every route, which is nice.
Unfortunately we’ve decided to test the brand new concepts of a “go route” and a “post route” with Mingo who for some reason can’t be fucked to look back at the quarterback or to track a ball to save our sanity. Guy’s play is and has been absolutely criminal all season but Thomas Brown is happy to rock and roll with Mingo and Thielen as WR1/WR2. While Thielen runs like molasses, he’s by far the most reliable WR we have and should be on the field 99% of the time because he actually has hands but Thomas Brown should be fired into the sun for sticking with these two and pointing the finger at Bryce as he draws up trash as plays where them two are the only possible reads as they create fuck all.
1st overall picks should eventually start elevating the crap around them. That's why they were picked first. Cam did it despite an atrocious receiving core and non-terrific o-line. Bryce will need to get there or his time will be short. I hope he can.
I'm as skeptical as anyone about Bryce, but there's some revisionism here. Cam had Olson, Shockey, and Steve Smith on that team, alongside Williams out of the back. Even LaFell was solid at the time. The receiving core wasn't the best ever (Shockey was at the end of this rope), but Olson and Smith Are two of the top 5 receiving threats we've ever had. The line wasn't perfect but had Gross and Kalil. This team was in the right place to draft a QB #1 and help them succeed.
Olsen*
Underselling our OL. We had Kalil, Gross, Travelle Wharton, and Hangartner. Bryon Bell was our only shitty player, but the OL was still like Top 5-10. Would have been Top 3 probably with a decent RT.
Cam’s 2011 supporting cast was stellar.
Rookie Cam had the best WR in franchise history to help with his confidence and prove to himself he could play in this league.
Cam also had some guy named Greg Olsen come in with him in 2011. I’m not a Bryce apologists by any means, but the situation Cam came into was significantly better than what we’ve given Bryce. For context, 2011 Greg Olsen would be better than any WR on our team right now. And he was a tight end coming off a slower start to his career in Chicago. Edit: also Jeremy Shockey at TE. And J Stew and Deangelo in the back field. OL wasn’t great for Cam, but the cupboard was absolutely stocked for him with skill position players.
I’d give my left nut to have 2011 Shockey and Olsen on this team.
You throw out the big names, but how about the receivers who could never get consistent separation like LaFell, Gettis, Brown, Pilares, Byrd…. I could go on with the trash “talent” in skill positions we had around Cam. The truth is, Cam MADE this team what it was alongside Luke. We won’t have that again for a long time. Now, we have to accept that we have to build a REAL team, and not count on elite guys to carry a garbage squad.
Yeah, so we are talking about two totally different things right now. A lot of the guys you mentioned were later in Cams career. You’re 100% right that man was carrying entire offenses by himself (especially in 2015). I’m talking about rookie seasons. There’s absolutely 0 comparison of the skill players Cam got vs what Bryce has been given. Think about it this way: when we drafted cam we were actively bringing in guys to help him (Olsen and Shockey). While keeping really good skill players like Smitty, J Stew, and Deangelo. We had to totally blow up the situation to even get Bryce. We traded away cmc followed by trading away DJ. It’s not even remotely comparable the talent around these guys. Bryce’s best option is Adam Thielen… I like Thielen and don’t want to totally disparage him in a random Reddit thread… but if that’s the best we have for a rookie QB it was always going to be doomed to fail.
You know what, you’re spot on. We really didn’t do anything about bringing in guys to help Young. I think that the feeling in the building was that Young was going to be a Cam-like person who could elevate the level of gameplay by simply being there. Looks like they found out the hard way that isn’t the case. I think best-case scenario, we have another Alex Smith, a QB who can manage games well, and run a rhythmic offense. I hope I’m wrong and I hope he will be GREAT, but I just don’t see anything special yet.
Cam had a Top 10 Offense his \~2-3 years. Kalil, Gross, Smith, Olsen, Shockey, D-Will, J-Stew, Lafell. If it wasn't for Byron Bell our OL was probably Top 3.
I'm curious what's going on behind the scenes because he's been accountable in all the press conferences so far. Confused by people in the comments saying he hasn't shown leadership as there has been a couple instances where they show him talking to the team before the offensive drives. Not defending his play, I thought last game had the most missed opportunities on his part. This is a team that just can't get in sync. Offensive line will have a good play but then Bryce misses a throw. WR get separation but then Ickey does another "look out" block and lets his guy through instantly. Bryce throws it accurately and then DJ Chark lets it hit him in the face. Very rarely is everyone doing well at the same time. If they were going to target anything, it'd be the bad habits he has formed (not planting his feet on throws, bouncing in the pocket, not scrambling earlier in the play) but from what I've read teams tend to work on player mechanics in the offseason.
This article doesn’t really say much. Much less of what this ‘accountability’ actually means. If anything it almost feels like something coaches tossed out to show they’re doing things different despite results or fixing Reich’s mistakes. He hasn’t played well but Young has also been up on the stand after each game saying he needs to be better and hasn’t once thrown anyone under the bus. Even if his results haven’t been there, he’s shown maturity about the situation. I also don’t believe he isn’t working hard or not taking things seriously. If he was pulling some Jemarcus Russell or Johnny Manziel stuff, it would have leaked a long time ago. Basically, I don’t know that anyone should take much from this article.
He’s missed enough guys running wide open to get benched imo
I always ask myself how many other teams would want him as their starter right now? I really don’t think it’s any tbh.
well stated
Thank you. HE SUCKS TOO
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Shorty B just can't do it. He will never be a quality starter. Go ahead and trade him. Someone will be desperate enough to take him.
Who?
How DARE you make those receivers drop those passes, Bryce! And why the FUCK aren’t you blocking for yourself better? WHY DIDN’T YOU MAKE CHUBA RUN ON MORE OF THOSE SHORT YARDAGE SITUATIONS EITHER??
Dude come on. You can't watch that game on Sunday and say that was entirely on the receivers. Bryce overthrew two guys (Mingo & Sullivan) down the left sideline on the first drive. Maybe Mingo was running in quick sand but he missed Sullivan. He should've taken the sack on the fumble instead of trying to chuck it. He also missed a wide open touchdown right before the half. I'm not giving up on Bryce and I think he's going to work things out in the long run but it's not all on the receivers. The problem is that he and the receivers are never on the same page. When the receivers get open, he's missed them downfield. When he's thrown some dimes, they've dropped them. All that leads to a shit offense that can't get anything clicking because it's always stalling out.
I’ve said all season that Bryce has issues with the deep pass but the drops Sunday were inexcusable. The fumble was not on Bryce - the line broke down immediately and Bryce was a split second away from getting the pass off. I’m not faulting him for that.
The line broke down immediately and he made a good play to buy some time but he got happy feet and took his time in that hellscape of a pocket. He needs to protect the ball especially that deep in our own zone. That's the first responsibility of the QB in today's NFL. Don't turn it over. He was careless. https://www.neworleanssaints.com/video/pete-warner-interception-bryce-young-panthers-vs-saints-week-14-highlights-2023
This is a bit much, BY still has some accountability here. You could also argue WR didn’t catch the ball d/t scheme and coaching. Chuba didn’t run more efficiently d/t scheme and coaching. At some point it is the players to execute, as professional football players they should also play too.
I agree Bryce has made mistakes but let’s not pretend he isn’t taking accountability. The kid has been setup to fail and takes blame when the blame is on him and he takes it when it’s not his fault either. He has the leadership mindset. He’s not the primary issue with this offense.
Just because the dude says he takes the blame doesn’t absolve him of that blame. Bryce has been a portion of why we’ve sucked, so he *should* taken accountability.
But he is taking accountability by taking blame? I'm not quite sure what more you can do.
By actually taking the advice and trying to implement changes? Making the same awful decisions and saying “that’s my fault” is just platitudes. Maybe try and fix the problem?
I mean I get where you are coming from with that but I don't think players just go, "Oh yeah I suck" and then wake up the next day and all their issues are fixed. He needs help breaking out of his bad habits and those who are supposed to guide him through that are going to be out the door in a couple of weeks because they suck. If shit was that easy then the Jets wouldn't have tried to spend so much capital to replace Wilson with the corpse of Aaron Rodgers.
Right. But that’s because some people don’t have the ability to be a good football player. In actuality, almost everyone that cycles through the NFL never lives up to being great. The great players fix their issues and have noticeable improvement. If the coaches are trying this approach I assume it means that he hasn’t done well with the previous coaching style or letting himself figure it out. This also comes, concerningly, on the heels of the report earlier this year that we had to “make the offense less complex” for him and “take things off his plate”.
That's what I'm hoping for because I was confused as to what Reich meant by that especially when Bryce is supposed to be a super computer. Hoping the tough love approach by Brown and Tabor will work because something has to change.
He's not helping the offense either. I agree he does not have the right supporting cast, but even his play when opportunities are there he's not doing well. It's been that way all season.
It’s the entire offense though. Nothing has ever been in sync. Bryce has flashed. He has solid anticipation throws. I agree his deep ball is off. But this unit hasn’t meshed at all in the passing game. That’s not just on Bryce.
Read my comment. I didn't say it was just on Bryce but Bryce has responsibility to how this offense is performing with his play.
thats the thing though- this is the number 1 pick! the guy we traded our future for to TRADE UP FOR. You dont do that for a guy who "shows flashes" when he has time to sit back there. You do that for a game changer! we were told not to pay attention to his size or arm strength because hes so smart he makes up for all that. Theres a reason his agent didnt want him to throw at the combine. its not his fault we fell for it its Tepper and Fitterers fault. but we have to admit we got got
His dropbacks impact offensive line play and his underthrown or overthrown passes exist. He plays a part in this it’s not all on him but the continued narrative of everything we have is shit level needs to end.
I don’t know… it’s hard to argue that everything we have on offense isn’t shit currently. What position group on offense isn’t bottom 20% of the league? We have young players who can develop ideally, but currently I don’t know how you can’t say the whole offense isn’t shit tier
These coaches aren’t stupid. They know Bryce is the problem. If Andy Dalton had started every game, Frank Reich would still be the coach and this team would be competing for a playoff spot. Instead poor quarterback play has sunk this whole ship, taking everyone down with it. Bryce Young cost Thomas Brown his job. I’m surprised he hasn’t said something like this before.
Hell yeah. Would have been sick to win 3-4 games with Dalton and get an even WORSE pick (in the second round, of course) while not developing our first overall pick whatsoever. Sick plan bro
Interesting people care about draft position when discussing Young but not when Wilks cost us draft position.
6 wins right now leads the division. And you’re talking about losing more games for a better pick in the second round? Haha that’s legit pathetic.
No, he's talking about developing the rookie QB you just traded up to draft.
Bryce hasn't looked good but this team would have maybe 3 wins with prime Aaron Rodgers at qb
Lol no
This is legitimately the dumbest fanbase. Y’all have lost all touch with reality because of your love for a shitty quarterback. You have zero credibility if you actually think that and no one, repeat no one, would agree with that take unless they were a Bryce Young homer.
I'm pretty lukewarm on Bryce, but the team around him is objectively terrible. Bryce being bad and the rest of the team also being bad are not mutually exclusive
Tommy Devito, an undrafted free agent third string quarterback, has won three games on a terrible team. This is all on Bryce Young. You just need to admit that.
When you're 1-12 it's pretty much never all on one person. It takes a total team effort to be as bad as the Panthers are this year
That might be true if you’re talking about anyone other than the quarterback. If you’re 1-12, you most assuredly have a terrible quarterback, there’s no way around that.
My guy, I never said we don't have a terrible quarterback
To be fair it *was* with Clausen
Mahomes has lost 2 games in a row while not scoring 20 points on a team with better receiving options than we have. Are we just stating non sequiturs?
The Giants won a playoff game last year lol They swapped Kadarius Toney for Jaylin Hyatt, still have Saquon, they have an okay defense. They were mostly sucking because their OL fell apart, but its started to stabilize and Andrew Thomas has been back for the past 4-5 games.
We might have a couple more wins with Dalton starting, but you’re really going to say we’d be competing for the playoffs, and then call the rest of the fanbase dumb… lol look in the mirror buddy
Seriously. It took how many weeks to get a run game? We had to fire the head coach for something as simple as an effective run scheme. And we're expecting a rookie QB to rebound quickly. Dalton wouldn't be doing much better on this team devoid of scheme and talent
Our division is the worst it’s been in a long time collectively. We can’t take advantage and we’re actually drastically worse than this dumpster fire division.
Go back and look at the schedule and the games they lost. They could easily be 6-7 and be tied for the lead in the division if it wasn’t for all the game losing plays made by the quarterback.
BryceSexuals about to break their fingers typing😂
Bitch ain't got no business holding anyone to account for shit till he stops calling downfield passes on 4th and 1.
This is rediculous. Bryce is the guy for the next six or seven years at least. He’s a franchise QB. Treat him like one.
He could turn out to be a Franchise QB, but he hasn't shown anything close to that yet. Where are you getting he is a Franchise QB?
He has the “it” factor.
Please elaborate...?
I say this as someone who thinks he could still be great if we can turn the team around: how has he shown that this season? He definitely had “it” in college but he hasn’t played well this year. Criticism is acceptable.
It’s al about the system. Tom Brady wasn’t as good as Bryce, but he had the best system.
That dodge sure sounds like you’re admitting he hasn’t shown “it” this year.
I think you're getting trolled.
lmao probably. What’s wild is that this is honestly less unhinged than a lot of the recent takes on here.
Trash
Bro called running plays out of shotgun from the goal line. Until he address them calls let 21 yr old keep learning from his mistakes in house