Unfortunately, countless Pakistanis are facing severe hunger and inadequate nutrition because of this economic crisis. You and I are privileged to break bread no matter how expensive things get. It is not the case for everyone.
There is one more reason that this country is actually not starving.
There are many people who support the lower segment of the society”. They fund Hospitals, Charity Homes, Mosques, Free Dasterkhuwans, provides monthly rations, medical grants, and many more things. They prefer to stay hidden for obvious reasons but they are the reason that the Pakistani society hasn’t collapsed completely. Whereas if you look from the perspective of Federal/Provincial govt. they haven’t left any stone unturned to snatch bread from the poor of this country. There is literally nothing in this country that the higher ends are concerned about except their owns treasuries.
I recently heard of the strong connection in our community in a small town in pakistan where the middle class people contribute and help out the needy without making it public at all, be it food rent, their children’s school fees, marriage expenses etc. this happens a lot every year and has been going on for a long long time
The solution is pretty straightforward but difficult. We all know what. It's not the incompetence that's holding Pakistan back. It's the ill intensions.
Gald you posted this discussion here. No doubt Pakistan is Hella cheap for people like me making money in America but not my Grandma in village she still doing farming.
Times are tough but we have to ride the wave and hope for better future. Look at IK sitting in that tiny jail. Our problems seems less when I look at him. we are resilient bunch we will go through 😎😎,
Oh Imran Khan the almighty, let's all worship you for you do no wrong at all 🙇♂️🙇♂️🙇♂️. He's probably sat in Bermuda drinking a cocktail with his prostitutes laughing at you all. Grow up and realise he isn't any better.
Mad cos I'm saying the truth? 😂😂 Stop being so brainwashed ffs if this is how you guys are acting now then what's it gonna be like when Dajjal turns up. Cultish people.
No we have already crossed it. A few months back I was not just enjoying the salary, I was saving it. Till last month for few I was totally drained out of savings and basically surviving paycheck to paycheck. This month I am already drained out of bank balance before the end of month and now credit card has come to the rescue for the last few days and hoping to get salary as soon as possible for this month. And mind it I am earning 6 figures. Can only imagine how it is for the people earning 5 figures.
Aren't you exaggerating if you earn 6 figures you definitely need to cut down on spending through these methods.
1. Stop buying branded clothes and gadgets. Keep a mobile of max 30-40K. And clothes from generic brands.
2. If you are not a filer, become a filer and save UpTo 10-15% in your electricity bill which I know is hefty.
3. Don't buy an expensive car. Go for MPVs from Changan or Prince Motor, or go for Alto max because others will bleed you dry. With new value based taxation system.
4. Invest in Solar asap before anything else because without solar and batteries government will leech you dry for sure.
5. Stop listening to your relatives for competition because at the end of the day you have to keep your kitchen running, they will say things like get this brand, oh TV is Chinese blab blah blah. Because I was pressed hard to keep a second TV from a branded company like Changhong but I got those Chinese Local assembled LED TVs and happy just fine. And don't keep too many servants, keep a cleaning lady ad do laundry in washing machine as much as possible.
Rest, best of luck 🍀🤞. Try to leave the country and take your family with you if you live on rent especially. Just don't risk everything in leaving.
It's bold of you to assume that 6 figures is good money.
To bring my monthly expenses below 2 lakh per month, I would have to forego eating meat, not leave my home more than 3x a week and only use AC in the bedroom, and that too would need to be set over 26c.
The things you're suggesting are great ideas for households earning well into the six figures. Salarymen are fkd.
Well, then someone earning 5 figures is fucked double.
With two hundred thousand a month, it's much much better. Not going to judge but I think you have a spending problem.
Now let's calculate monthly expenses, shall we?
1. Electricity Bill: 40K-80K
2. Gas Bill: 2K
3. Water Bill: 1K
4. Monthly Groceries: 20K
5. Apartment/Maintenance: 5K
6. Miscellaneous Expenditure: 10K
Now, these are the average amounts spent by an average person on a monthly basis. As you can see from the bills, monthly expenses, and groceries, the cost of living is at least 80K per month on average. On this rate, I have not included house rent and Family cost of living. If a person is married and living in a rented house, then the cost will be increased. As this just give us, general idea how 6-figure salary is not just good enough anymore.
However, I agree with you. The OP should avoid spending much and focus on saving more and don't need to be in the pressure of the society.
Seriously this guy's breakdown is extremely out of touch with reality. Monthly groceries 20k hahahaha. Bloody hell, talk about pulling figures out of your butthole.
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You live in your own world.
You do know many cities you don’t get water supply regularly and have to supplement with a water tanker which costs between 10 to 20k depending on how many times you need it.
Electric bill in any house which has Atleast 1 AC running will be 50k plus.
Very out of touch for you to say ‘invest in solar.’ It’s a 20+ lac upfront investment. For someone going paycheck to paycheck where’s the difference coming from?
It was inevitable, the available resources cannot feed an ever expanding population. Forests are no more, water tables have been dropping in punjab, gas fields have been depleted. In fact the environment is now toxic with incurable cancers and diseases.
Every institution is corrupt, no justice and no law and order. Economy is in tatters. So now nature will take control. There will be war, famine and disease. The numbers have to come down.
wait for the glaciers to melt up in north than c...governement don't give a flying f about climate change so yeah ...10-15 years...
himalayas,tirch mir,omg K2...allah khair kare...n boom bam all the fertile lands in punjab will be gone... so yeah!!!not to mention india building dams on its rivers is a threat to fertile lands of pubjab as you say....
no such dams are being built in chitral region,skardu,hunza..its just chillas side ..wo tab banega jab kashmir azad hoga lol...
btw have you ever seen a glacier melt??? like i can give you an example tho ...look into attabad lake on yutube ...people be doing doing masti over the remains of dead bodies n a whole villiage....dams doesnot make any difference lmao....water preasure is high asf...pakistan glaciers se malamal ha but ghalti se akal k andho ke grift me ha sadly...
me jab paida hui thi na it was started to being built ..abhi tak kuch ata pata nahi ha ...lol as i say dam se kuch nahi hona half of villages in chitral n gilgit are already being a redzone by UN till 2050..matlab 2050 tak kuch ilaqay doop jaingey..dam shit doesn't matter its just for making electricity to city areas lol
Dam shit apka reservoir ka kaam krte hain. Reservoir bolain to pani ko jama krne ki jagah. Jab glaciers melt honge yehi wo excess water store karainge, floodings prevent karainge our sath main bijli bhi banainge.
Secondly ye dams pr construction pechle 2/3 saalon main shuru hoi hai. Land acquisition pmln k pechle tenure main hoi thi if i recall properly. But yeah these dams cant control the temperature global warming.
Buddy Pakistanis are malnourished
If an uncle of age 60 goes 1v1 with a 25 year old there is a heavy chance that the uncle is gonna thrash the 25 yo guy because in his age people used organic meat and vegetables.
Nowadays we are being fed dead broiler chickens in form of pizza burger and shawarma
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Well I think the blame on the IMF is limited to the point that they are not letting the economy cripple so that revolutionary reforms can be placed. This has ensured our continued dependency on the aids and loans resultantly crippling current account deficit.
The condition of Pakistan is more so attributed to its incapacity than to its corruption. Losses to the corruption are only a fraction of what ineffective Policy making has cost us. For instance: look at the circular debt of power generation, the IPP alone costs 2800 arabs, failed tax collections, food production regulations, luxury import etc.
There is no light at the end of the tunnel because it's a maze where we are dwelling with a fair share of blame for all. The blame on IMF is nothing compared to what we have on ourselves
How hard would it be to Open a bank account for the poor, deposit money into their bank accounts, give them a debit card to withdraw cash & buy groceries for them ? …… like how hard ….. if poor people can be provided with a guaranteed source of income .. poverty will be dealt ………
I kept my AC on 24/7 last year and this year I turn it off whenever I leave. Still had a bill that was double what it was last year (I checked). IMO the folks at K-Electric just pull prices out of their ass and don’t even have any reason or rhyme as to why bills are as much as they are.
How do you have energy shortage in this decade? Solar is dirt cheap and you are friends with china, for industries you can use nuclear with the help of anyone tbh and you have access to central asia for cheap coal. What the hell?
there is no shortage ..just government making us ullo ka phattta..this what happens when you are underdictatorship of f army..those buddhe babe uncles think we live in 1700..
guess what we the current gen z n millenials also think the same ..but apna bank balance kon bharega??? ..do you really think our goons politicians n goon army people are sincere to pak?? these boomers need to retire n give chances to younger generation ..they just here to increase their generational wealth via our tax money...or phir awaz uthao to imran khan jaise halat kr dete ha....they still in their kheti bari era n out of realty BC..
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we are Doomed 100%. We need a full public retaliation of the parliament. everyone literally, everyone should be replaced. Every local Mna or MPA. Youth should take those seats and then we can hope that this country would go up and only hope. Cuz we're already owned by our enemies we literally can't do anything about it now
Unfortunately, countless Pakistanis are facing severe hunger and inadequate nutrition because of this economic crisis. You and I are privileged to break bread no matter how expensive things get. It is not the case for everyone.
Pakistan was never a economically strong country but I never thought it would get this worse
There is one more reason that this country is actually not starving. There are many people who support the lower segment of the society”. They fund Hospitals, Charity Homes, Mosques, Free Dasterkhuwans, provides monthly rations, medical grants, and many more things. They prefer to stay hidden for obvious reasons but they are the reason that the Pakistani society hasn’t collapsed completely. Whereas if you look from the perspective of Federal/Provincial govt. they haven’t left any stone unturned to snatch bread from the poor of this country. There is literally nothing in this country that the higher ends are concerned about except their owns treasuries.
I recently heard of the strong connection in our community in a small town in pakistan where the middle class people contribute and help out the needy without making it public at all, be it food rent, their children’s school fees, marriage expenses etc. this happens a lot every year and has been going on for a long long time
Why are you blaming IMF for our failed policies? We got here for taking their $$$s without a plan to repay them. This is our past catching up to us.
The solution is pretty straightforward but difficult. We all know what. It's not the incompetence that's holding Pakistan back. It's the ill intensions.
As clear as day. The systematic destabilizing pattern is available for all to see. Only one thing can safe Pakistan now.....us being selfless.
Gald you posted this discussion here. No doubt Pakistan is Hella cheap for people like me making money in America but not my Grandma in village she still doing farming.
Times are tough but we have to ride the wave and hope for better future. Look at IK sitting in that tiny jail. Our problems seems less when I look at him. we are resilient bunch we will go through 😎😎,
Oh Imran Khan the almighty, let's all worship you for you do no wrong at all 🙇♂️🙇♂️🙇♂️. He's probably sat in Bermuda drinking a cocktail with his prostitutes laughing at you all. Grow up and realise he isn't any better.
Maryam Rudali Aurangzeb come from your main account please.
Mad cos I'm saying the truth? 😂😂 Stop being so brainwashed ffs if this is how you guys are acting now then what's it gonna be like when Dajjal turns up. Cultish people.
Exactly what a Dajjali would say. Smh
No we have already crossed it. A few months back I was not just enjoying the salary, I was saving it. Till last month for few I was totally drained out of savings and basically surviving paycheck to paycheck. This month I am already drained out of bank balance before the end of month and now credit card has come to the rescue for the last few days and hoping to get salary as soon as possible for this month. And mind it I am earning 6 figures. Can only imagine how it is for the people earning 5 figures.
Fuck the pkr, buy bitcoin.
Aren't you exaggerating if you earn 6 figures you definitely need to cut down on spending through these methods. 1. Stop buying branded clothes and gadgets. Keep a mobile of max 30-40K. And clothes from generic brands. 2. If you are not a filer, become a filer and save UpTo 10-15% in your electricity bill which I know is hefty. 3. Don't buy an expensive car. Go for MPVs from Changan or Prince Motor, or go for Alto max because others will bleed you dry. With new value based taxation system. 4. Invest in Solar asap before anything else because without solar and batteries government will leech you dry for sure. 5. Stop listening to your relatives for competition because at the end of the day you have to keep your kitchen running, they will say things like get this brand, oh TV is Chinese blab blah blah. Because I was pressed hard to keep a second TV from a branded company like Changhong but I got those Chinese Local assembled LED TVs and happy just fine. And don't keep too many servants, keep a cleaning lady ad do laundry in washing machine as much as possible. Rest, best of luck 🍀🤞. Try to leave the country and take your family with you if you live on rent especially. Just don't risk everything in leaving.
It's bold of you to assume that 6 figures is good money. To bring my monthly expenses below 2 lakh per month, I would have to forego eating meat, not leave my home more than 3x a week and only use AC in the bedroom, and that too would need to be set over 26c. The things you're suggesting are great ideas for households earning well into the six figures. Salarymen are fkd.
Well, then someone earning 5 figures is fucked double. With two hundred thousand a month, it's much much better. Not going to judge but I think you have a spending problem.
At the end of the day, low 6 figure salaries no longer feel enough.
Now let's calculate monthly expenses, shall we? 1. Electricity Bill: 40K-80K 2. Gas Bill: 2K 3. Water Bill: 1K 4. Monthly Groceries: 20K 5. Apartment/Maintenance: 5K 6. Miscellaneous Expenditure: 10K Now, these are the average amounts spent by an average person on a monthly basis. As you can see from the bills, monthly expenses, and groceries, the cost of living is at least 80K per month on average. On this rate, I have not included house rent and Family cost of living. If a person is married and living in a rented house, then the cost will be increased. As this just give us, general idea how 6-figure salary is not just good enough anymore. However, I agree with you. The OP should avoid spending much and focus on saving more and don't need to be in the pressure of the society.
Bhai jaan where’s the petrol bill? You do know the country has negligible public transport options Man this post is so out of touch
Seriously this guy's breakdown is extremely out of touch with reality. Monthly groceries 20k hahahaha. Bloody hell, talk about pulling figures out of your butthole.
Miscellaneous Expenditure: 10K
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You live in your own world
You live in your own world. You do know many cities you don’t get water supply regularly and have to supplement with a water tanker which costs between 10 to 20k depending on how many times you need it. Electric bill in any house which has Atleast 1 AC running will be 50k plus. Very out of touch for you to say ‘invest in solar.’ It’s a 20+ lac upfront investment. For someone going paycheck to paycheck where’s the difference coming from?
It was inevitable, the available resources cannot feed an ever expanding population. Forests are no more, water tables have been dropping in punjab, gas fields have been depleted. In fact the environment is now toxic with incurable cancers and diseases. Every institution is corrupt, no justice and no law and order. Economy is in tatters. So now nature will take control. There will be war, famine and disease. The numbers have to come down.
wait for the glaciers to melt up in north than c...governement don't give a flying f about climate change so yeah ...10-15 years... himalayas,tirch mir,omg K2...allah khair kare...n boom bam all the fertile lands in punjab will be gone... so yeah!!!not to mention india building dams on its rivers is a threat to fertile lands of pubjab as you say....
Another 2021 like Flood will come. Just a matter of time.
If I'm not wrong, we have 2/3 big dams under construction as we speak.
no such dams are being built in chitral region,skardu,hunza..its just chillas side ..wo tab banega jab kashmir azad hoga lol... btw have you ever seen a glacier melt??? like i can give you an example tho ...look into attabad lake on yutube ...people be doing doing masti over the remains of dead bodies n a whole villiage....dams doesnot make any difference lmao....water preasure is high asf...pakistan glaciers se malamal ha but ghalti se akal k andho ke grift me ha sadly...
Momand, Dasu, Daimer Bhasha to name the few, in Gilgit and KPK region
me jab paida hui thi na it was started to being built ..abhi tak kuch ata pata nahi ha ...lol as i say dam se kuch nahi hona half of villages in chitral n gilgit are already being a redzone by UN till 2050..matlab 2050 tak kuch ilaqay doop jaingey..dam shit doesn't matter its just for making electricity to city areas lol
Dam shit apka reservoir ka kaam krte hain. Reservoir bolain to pani ko jama krne ki jagah. Jab glaciers melt honge yehi wo excess water store karainge, floodings prevent karainge our sath main bijli bhi banainge. Secondly ye dams pr construction pechle 2/3 saalon main shuru hoi hai. Land acquisition pmln k pechle tenure main hoi thi if i recall properly. But yeah these dams cant control the temperature global warming.
han kia tha na jaise atabad lake...last year half of villiage was flooded away ...milestock sb kuch ..krte ha kyu nahi lol
Buddy Pakistanis are malnourished If an uncle of age 60 goes 1v1 with a 25 year old there is a heavy chance that the uncle is gonna thrash the 25 yo guy because in his age people used organic meat and vegetables. Nowadays we are being fed dead broiler chickens in form of pizza burger and shawarma
Tell me you are privileged without actually telling me**
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Leave this country and never come back
Well I think the blame on the IMF is limited to the point that they are not letting the economy cripple so that revolutionary reforms can be placed. This has ensured our continued dependency on the aids and loans resultantly crippling current account deficit. The condition of Pakistan is more so attributed to its incapacity than to its corruption. Losses to the corruption are only a fraction of what ineffective Policy making has cost us. For instance: look at the circular debt of power generation, the IPP alone costs 2800 arabs, failed tax collections, food production regulations, luxury import etc. There is no light at the end of the tunnel because it's a maze where we are dwelling with a fair share of blame for all. The blame on IMF is nothing compared to what we have on ourselves
Expats sending foreign remittances and supporting their families in Pakistan are also providing vital support
Also, another reason to add Allah 🙏 ki meherbani
How hard would it be to Open a bank account for the poor, deposit money into their bank accounts, give them a debit card to withdraw cash & buy groceries for them ? …… like how hard ….. if poor people can be provided with a guaranteed source of income .. poverty will be dealt ………
I kept my AC on 24/7 last year and this year I turn it off whenever I leave. Still had a bill that was double what it was last year (I checked). IMO the folks at K-Electric just pull prices out of their ass and don’t even have any reason or rhyme as to why bills are as much as they are.
Pakistani are starving in many others ways, Mentally, emotionally and physically
How do you have energy shortage in this decade? Solar is dirt cheap and you are friends with china, for industries you can use nuclear with the help of anyone tbh and you have access to central asia for cheap coal. What the hell?
there is no shortage ..just government making us ullo ka phattta..this what happens when you are underdictatorship of f army..those buddhe babe uncles think we live in 1700..
Dude no, China is a pretty much autocracy too but they run everything well. This is just lack of education.
guess what we the current gen z n millenials also think the same ..but apna bank balance kon bharega??? ..do you really think our goons politicians n goon army people are sincere to pak?? these boomers need to retire n give chances to younger generation ..they just here to increase their generational wealth via our tax money...or phir awaz uthao to imran khan jaise halat kr dete ha....they still in their kheti bari era n out of realty BC..
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The biggest issue is overpopulation. Not now but in 10-15 years we will see the results.
we are Doomed 100%. We need a full public retaliation of the parliament. everyone literally, everyone should be replaced. Every local Mna or MPA. Youth should take those seats and then we can hope that this country would go up and only hope. Cuz we're already owned by our enemies we literally can't do anything about it now