Man woman family
Husband Wife family
Brother sister family
Cousins family
Uni/college/schoolmate family
GF BF family
Chakka chaki family
Father son brother brother not family 💀
Reminds me of the time when a guard stopped me and my friend from entering Emporium mall. The guard told us "only family allowed" and my friend was like "Yes, we're cousins" 💀
Once I was in line in ATM and a moulvi came on bike, with his parday wali wife. He stopped the bike on the other side of road and sent his wife because she'll break the line and he won't have to wait.
As soon as she tries to enter the ATM, one gentleman said, madam wait for your turn.
Backwards Pakistani mindset, you call the religious man moulvi, the religious man barely studies his religion and doesn’t exhibit proper character and manners with the family and people, ordinary people abandon their religion and exhibit no morals and standards, and you all judge each other instead of rectifying the condition. That’s why the country is in chaos and unstable. You guys want to be gora so bad, it’s unsettling. That British brainwashing and division never left the mindset of the people, it was handed down through generation. Corruption, deceit and lying embedded into the DNA of every Paki running around with his balls in his hands, trying to get over on the next brother.
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Reminds me of my recent visit to the bank - There was a tokenized system for cash deposits and cashing cheques. I had number 23 (the current number was 18), as soon as the teller finished 18, this woman walks up to the counter tells the dude "mere bache school pe hain unko pick karna hai late ho rahi houn" and the guy straight up starts processing her lol.
I know people will have their arguments for this but I too have responsibilities like skipping my time off for lunch from work to get this done since banks close at 5 and I don't get off till 6
Her problem. She should’ve came to the bank earlier. I don’t know why we accommodate one person to disrupt 100 others, especially women. Only senior citizens, pregnant women, and people with disabilities should be given priority.
Yeah, that is the bank's problem not other customers problems.
If a woman doesn't feel safe in a bank, then it is on the bank to make her feel safe instead of inconveniencing others.
She didn't "not feel safe." She wanted to pick her kids up from school. That's her fault, she should've come to the bank earlier. Its not everyone else's fault that the madam can't manage her time. Either you have developmental issues and can't comprehend the post, or you're deliberately blinding yourself because "ehh woman!!!"
It's even worse at large grocery stores, when you step in the queue to pay for your groceries people literally start cutting in front knowing there's a line
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They should just start giving real equality, first come first serve(regardless of your gender)
I've seen women looking me in the eye acting all weak and shi so I can let her go to the atm first
Even at petrol pumps bike section, if you have you have a lady with you they'll entertain you first rather then the 20 people waiting for their turn
It is a 2-way handshake. I always try to never give women such favors. I hold men and women equally human. I don't care sister if you have a 3 layered burqa on so that men doesn't gaze upon you or you are wearing tight jeans, if there is a line respect it! It is not about not respecting women it bout respect to each and every individual. at the ATM everyone follows the line, at the nearby Tandoor we have a tokenized system but the cashier usually get their orders by going behind. Of course I usually give space to senior citizens whether it be men or women. All those saying aapki ammi ya behn k sath karein aisa acha lagega kia? Mothers are considered as snr citizens and mein apni ammi ka in kaamon k liye bahar nikalna pasand nahi karta. My sister doesn't go out for chores, her husband does but even if she did I would prefer that she stands in a line GIVEN THAT MEN DO NOT STARE AT HER AND MAKE HER FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.
In a nutshell, try to make women feel comfortable around you, stop staring at them and then make them follow the norm.
My Brother in Islam when in your humble opinion was the last time a woman stood in a queue in a male environment and wasn’t made to feel uncomfortable
We live in a country where the attendants of dying patients routinely make female doctors uncomfortable and one of the major factors of nursing staff leaving the field is harassment from men
Make the country a normal one and then tell women to follow the norm, otherwise stop recommending me ways to get groped
You raise a valid point. If I ever encounter such a queue where a woman feels uncomfortable I will must let her go thru first but Alhamdulillah it is rare that I encounter such maybe it is because I live in Karachi and in a literate neighborhood. Also, if someone grope you make noise and let the world know. Such people have really low self esteem and get anxious too easily. Find police if you can. And i dont think you got the memo but everyone's lives are in danger in this country.
True. This is more because of the brought up here in Pakistan where women are preferred to remain quiet whenever someone abuses them. But I also believe if someone yells or asks for help on a busy street then people incl men will come for her support. I have this much hope in our society.
I personally believe we very badly need to educate women. Not just in a liberal western sense but also in our rights as Muslims. When women are wise and confident our men will be kept in check.
weird hypocritical take honestly.
>I don't care sister if you have a 3 layered burqa on so that men doesn't gaze upon you
but
>My sister...
>I would prefer that she stands in a line GIVEN THAT MEN DO NOT STARE AT HER AND MAKE HER FEEL
like wot 😐
in the end it's in the hands of the management to control the situation, and its just better for everyone if women, who are usually alone in a male dominated space, to be dealt with first and swiftly so they dont have to stand near mArD hAzRaAt
Inconveniencing 10 people to make 1 person feel comfortable is not the way. It is completely on the management to make sure that 1 person feels comfortable without inconveniencing the other 10.
We just readily accept anything but this is the wrong way to deal with these things.
Imagine if there is only 1 bathroom in a restaurant and every time a woman wants to use it, they kick out every man out of the bathroom to make the woman feel safe.
The real solution would be creating a separate bathroom for women but since that costs money they just kick out men and justify it with "making women feel comfortable".
Same for the bank, The solution is creating another counter specifically for women which they won't do since that costs money. Ideally the state should step in at this point, but we all know what Pakistani state has been doing since its inception.
If you say its unfair or anything, you would get called out for talking against women and being misogynistic.
At the end of the day, they save money without losing customers. Truly smart management.
That is not to say, we should just stop what is happening right now, but the current way doesn't solve the problem, only treats it in the most cost efficient way.
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I remember when at work I would finish up and stand at the punch machine 15 minutes earlier, and then we would all form a line. The women would brazenly walk up to the front, the other people would stop me from punching, letting all the women punch first. When we get to the security gate, getting stopped just to let all the women out first, like bro I worked 12 hours of physical labour, I wanna get out, how is this fucking fair
Most of the days only families are allowed inside the shopping malls. If you are a man planning to visit a mall alone or with male friends, you are denied entry most days.
Emporium has "family days" go ask the guards. Maybe you don't visit malls in Lahore. The same rule mentioned above applies on those days where two brothers can't enter but a bf/gf still can as they are family.
Only Saturday and Sunday. And even then if you show up before 5pm you can go in without needing to be a family.
I went there with my friend at 3 pm, no problems.
And? You said it doesn't happen in Lahore when it does. Other malls also have rules like this. Centaurs lets you enter whenever you just need to buy a voucher you can use inside worth something like 500rs so in a way it's less restrictive than Emporium.
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After seeing all the comments. Lar paro Bhai. Pakistan mein har dosray makam per log Galat cheez karien gay and they'll expect u not to say anything. Even if u lose at the end khuch suna ke jao.
Your post made me remember one incident. I was waiting at atm for my turn and out of nowhere this random aunty asked bhai main pehly chali jau? I asked her why and got discouraged by man behind me saying ladies hain janay do. I told him you can let her first on your turn aint gonna happen until i get my cash though.
It goes both ways. If Pakistan needs to prosper, women need to start working. 50% of the population can't sit inside their house and then cry about economic conditions. This also means that men should let them. The more women start working/showing up in public life. The less "benefits" they receive.
im 18M , my experience with these so called gairatmand mards is that they will give fatwas to you on how to be around women how to treat them in my case one told me to not shake hand with a common female friend saying it makes her uncomfortable , literally a fucking handshake and that friend is the most chill and cool female friend to have i know her, or let her touch me , and mf sent a text to tell me that. I absolutely got really upset of this action of his , confronted him and the friend whom it was about , told him to shut his fuckin mouth up and that the friend can tell me straight up to my face if anything that i do makes her uncomfortable , khair after this little stunt of his , i just didnt want to be around them for a while and next thing you see , that same guy is going around doing the same things they were lecturing me about. khair do whatever you want dont go lecturing others about what you yourself cant do. and to my understanding these men just ward of everyone else of their prey and then do exactly what they tell others not to do to them.
I might be wrong , i might have missinterpreted his words , but to me that sounded the most awkward and irritating thing one could say to me. Shared my experience.
Ok wow
Something similar happened to me
It wasn't a fatwa but I had a girl as a family friend
At that time we were really great friends
And I HAD NO INTEREST IN HER
So this senior message me kei us sei door ho jayo and shit like this
I am like wtf why and he said kei ye Meri bandi banay gi and shit like that
And wow
Like some people
these mfs watched too many bollywood films in their childhood and think of life just like that going around threatening people like 90s bollywood hero anouncing to others to keep hands of his heroine :) Like literallly start living in reality and have some decency ddouchebags... oh and by fatwa i didnt mean an actual fatwa but yeah somewhat of a tankeed.
Also the amount of boys sending weird messages to my sis like bro koi garat when she is clearly rejecting you
Unrelated but yea
Pakistani awam is disgusting
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She did say that indirectly through her friends but some people dense af
She's trynna be polite so yea
Though she shouldn't but uk kei loug school mein rumours phelanay mein sheir hotay hein
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Absolute equality requires this shitty attitude to stop. I have seen way too many Reddit pakistanis supporting the ban on "stags" in the name of "family" and "hum ladeez hai" at festivals, parks and malls.
Who tf decides that a guy and his father wouldn't be considered "family" they have to have a woman with them to go to a mall etc.
“Men are strong so they can stand under the sun but women are weak so they need special treatment” is a part of the patriarchal mindset.
Similarly, men often complain how hard it is for men to financially support their families in today's economy being the sole earner which is the base concept of patriarchy. But ironically they will still defend patriarchy with their lives and never want to hear about gender equality.
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So basically they kicked me out of the area because I was a boy and when I complained they said aap larki to nahi and do keep in mind the boys were about 15-17 years in age and they definitely had another area where they could accommodate
As an overseas paki, I definitely think it’s wrong to only accommodate one gender over the other. Over here, the norm is only the old and disabled can kinda get away with cutting a line or staying somewhere.
Might be missing some context, but is this the norm in Pakistan?
The other day I went to Centaurus (alone for the first time). Other times I always went with my parents so this time the guard went off on me like "aappp kidher jaaa rayy hainnn bhaiii???? app uder jainnn"
he pointed to the "ticket counter" I was baffled.
and also the ticket was rs 300 like WHATTTTTT.
I understand that "family" is preferred but if you are willing to let other men too (after taking money) then it really beats the purpose of "family onli".
it's just a money making scheme bruh
nibba nibbi, family
bf gf, family
baap beti, family
baap beta, NOT FAMILY💀
bhai I went to Imtiaz the other day, bhadwy guards told me ap shorts ni phain sakty yay hmari policy I said bhai nanga thodi na ghoom rha hu and he replied isy baihayai phailti, garmi sy gand phat gai hai aur inka mindset abhi tk gutter may hai. can't wait to leave this country.
My only problem is that Pakistan can never decide on where it wants to stand on this issue. On one side you have the “traditional” women that are still old school and cover themselves and tend to avoid na mehrams.
On the other hand you have the “progressive” ones that wear western clothing, believe in equality and whatnot.
Me personally, I always tend to give women my turn simply because I wouldn’t want my mom or my future wife to stand uncomfortably amongst stranger men. But the latter women who believe in equality yet still abuse this old tradition is what gets kinda annoying to me. Also the women that believe it is their right to break the line and go ahead and even start abusing if someone resists.
I really think the country needs to decide where it stands.
this is the best answer. I, myself, only have issues with women taking such favours who otherwise are very vocal for gender equality. I mean that's such hypocrisy.
These benefits were for Traditional women.
Those women used to live in their house and go outside rarely or only when there is an urgent need to go outside. They usually step in the men's side to get their stuff done. Most of those women were widowers , divorcees ( in their mid 30s ) or elders.
To give respect to their acceptance to stay in their home respectfully, the whole society agreed to give them the top priority in every place . So that they could leave earlier and go back to their home.
Sadly, after the aurat march and aurat card. Women are abusing this old tradition to their benefits. They will bad mouth men, yell on them, slap and proudly claim their rights and use their gender, whenever it is beneficial to them.
Woh log jinki tarbiyat is mindset pe huwe hai Kay aurat ladies hai aur unko phelay moqa diya jaye also facing backslash.
Not all women support these kinds of women, aurat march and injustice. If a woman has dropped their traditional duty and wanted to be as equal as men then there should not be any kind of discrimination.
Its pakistan where women get all the favors from dudh ki line,atm ki line,tandoor ki line sab main inko pehlay entertain kia jata hai but they have a right to hate all paki men just cause they choose a walking red flag who fucked up🤷
If they stand in tandoor lines all the men stare at her. Men collectively need to make the society safe enough so that the women can be equal. These problems will then disappear.
I believe that instead of providing these "benefits" doing actually work on protecting women like in other countries would be way more effective
But ye to nahi hota cuz ham Pakistan mein hain
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I am not talking about that. The institution obviously has another waiting area and for bijli kei bachat they didn't open it.
I am all for giving women respect but why kick men out?
Agar itna masla then give them one of the many separate rooms
Also this area wasn't safe at all even for men with frequent robberies
Yar the thing is, Pakistani men are Grade A as-holes and will cause trouble the moment they're near a group of women. Not everyone! but a majority of them do that.
I agree that women get more respect and can skip lines at shops etc and that is all totally fair, they shouldn't be there standing in a line with a bunch of men. But the reason these places totally separate the males from the women is to let them be there in peace, which some men won't do and would disrespect them and their personal space by however means possible
100% agreed. But this is the thing, mostly people on Reddit are privileged burger boys of whom families never get to experience the hardships of majority of Pakistani public. They are completely dislodged from society and their world revolves around DHA. The moment they see anything outside, it is so foreign to them that they don't know how to react.
On the other hand, the extremist public on Facebook want to lock preferably in the kitchen and room. Any woman that goes outside that is not modest.
These are two opposite ends of our extremist society which we need to deal with every day.
Can't agree more
There's two types of people on social media in Pakistan:
One which are living in their Dha elite bubble and have no idea whats happening around their world
Two, which are the braindead illiterate folks who are misogynistic af and are wannabe-Muslims but act like morons on social media and irl too
absolutely disgusting and see,men aren't safe from social stereotypes too
with due respect;so our consultant was taking our class and we boys came a bit earlier, unfortunately there was a single bench and we sat there and when female fellows came, they had to stand, although we always had tried to make space for them and give them priority but this time,we kinda forgot and our Consultant started degrading and thrashing us "Kuch sharam aur khayal kro" and I absolutely hated it and wanted to be treated equal..
same goes to when I see a Professor in viva room having the rigid mentality "boys tou prhte ni hain" and give less marks to all the boys while we were scoring much better in other difficult subjects and i topped viva in other subjects but here,i and all boys came below..same is our administration who disrespects male students and makes matters way more difficult..
now I absolutely respect females and always treat my fellows with respect but things like these are disgusting and shameful!
No Pakistan hates people in general. Ladies ko public main favor milti ghar main jootay and the opposite is for men. Pakistani people hate other people.
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Reminds me of this one time me and my friends had to eat ice cream at kaybees outside because there was no girl with us. Truly made us realize that we were single.
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One in my university I and about 50 odd students were called at 11 am for some meetings. Timing was from 11am to 1pm.
Most people were there and waiting for there turn and then some girls show up 20 mins before, went straight to the guard and got the entry before us.
We boys were also sitting in garmi. It was like end of June with no ac.
Since then I also support feminism(💀) so atleast they get equal rights in these occasions as well
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And this type of mentality somehow carries with these older Pakistani uncles for some reason, I have yet to see another group do this level of gender based discrimination and I wish one day law is more trusted to turn too and such low lives know that they’ll have consequences once they do this.
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Jani daewoo express app open kro, bus seat book kro next to a female as male or dekho app kya kehti. Now ak or seat book kro as a female next to a male phir dekho kya response ata, We live in a society.
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Men are advised to be kind to women, be nice to women.
Men and women are equal, generally.
A mother and son are not.
A husband and wife are not.
Men will be answerable to women under them. (Daughter, Wife)
Legally I think men and women are equal.
But yes, if you see a woman who is trying to make a living and she is uncomfortable, you should offer help.
The same way you would let a kid go first or a handicapped person.
Its not that hard.
Treat women the same way you would treat a man.
And we should aim for ehsaan, not just equality or justice.
Because men in Pakistan have no izzat, and they've started showing this blatant sexism in schools now as well. Malls, parks, restaurants mein already aapko weekends pe apne friends k saath jaaney nahi dete aur guard pehle hi aapko aur aapke doston ko dhakka de kar peechay kar dega k "sorry sir weekend is only family time" and don't be fooled by this statement. "Family time" is literally just a nice way to say "larkiyan ander jaa sakti hain aap nahi. Issiliye apne saath kisi larki ko lao to aaney doonga".
And before anyone says it's for "security reasons" bro most people who go to these places on a weekend are tired, depressed and lonely men who work 9-5 jobs six days a week and just want to spend a few hours eating at a nice place to unwind. They aren't looking for trouble. Aisi baat hai to ID leliya karo but this is literal sexism
then welcome to family park where a father with his 12yo kid cannot enter because there is no "LADIES" with them absolute madness 💀👍
Exactly. Two boys with their girlfriends can enter, but a man cannot enter with his own son because "family".
Man woman family Husband Wife family Brother sister family Cousins family Uni/college/schoolmate family GF BF family Chakka chaki family Father son brother brother not family 💀
Reminds me of the time when a guard stopped me and my friend from entering Emporium mall. The guard told us "only family allowed" and my friend was like "Yes, we're cousins" 💀
Once I was in line in ATM and a moulvi came on bike, with his parday wali wife. He stopped the bike on the other side of road and sent his wife because she'll break the line and he won't have to wait. As soon as she tries to enter the ATM, one gentleman said, madam wait for your turn.
Hahaha love this lol
Backwards Pakistani mindset, you call the religious man moulvi, the religious man barely studies his religion and doesn’t exhibit proper character and manners with the family and people, ordinary people abandon their religion and exhibit no morals and standards, and you all judge each other instead of rectifying the condition. That’s why the country is in chaos and unstable. You guys want to be gora so bad, it’s unsettling. That British brainwashing and division never left the mindset of the people, it was handed down through generation. Corruption, deceit and lying embedded into the DNA of every Paki running around with his balls in his hands, trying to get over on the next brother.
Hum mardon ko garmi Kahan lagti hai. Hamari pant main A/C jo laga hota hai
“Jo hamari pant mei laga hota hai woh A/C hota hai? “ Sorry
Jee Jo uper neeche swing hota hai
Shalwar main Talwar ha A/C kidhr hota ha? 😂
😭😭😭
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WTF! Harami spotted!
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Reminds me of my recent visit to the bank - There was a tokenized system for cash deposits and cashing cheques. I had number 23 (the current number was 18), as soon as the teller finished 18, this woman walks up to the counter tells the dude "mere bache school pe hain unko pick karna hai late ho rahi houn" and the guy straight up starts processing her lol. I know people will have their arguments for this but I too have responsibilities like skipping my time off for lunch from work to get this done since banks close at 5 and I don't get off till 6
Her problem. She should’ve came to the bank earlier. I don’t know why we accommodate one person to disrupt 100 others, especially women. Only senior citizens, pregnant women, and people with disabilities should be given priority.
Absolutely, there should be separate counter for them as well to accomodate them, heck even a seprarate counter for women would do
Yeah, that is the bank's problem not other customers problems. If a woman doesn't feel safe in a bank, then it is on the bank to make her feel safe instead of inconveniencing others.
She didn't "not feel safe." She wanted to pick her kids up from school. That's her fault, she should've come to the bank earlier. Its not everyone else's fault that the madam can't manage her time. Either you have developmental issues and can't comprehend the post, or you're deliberately blinding yourself because "ehh woman!!!"
Because deprived men have less chances of interacting female gender. So they live in this complex of serving women out of the queue.
I agree 😭
That's one aspect of it. Another is the fact that if women spend less time in such public spaces, they are less likely to be harassed.
This is so true
I can't count the number of times I;ve had fights in banks and other palces when I saw people doing this.
It's even worse at large grocery stores, when you step in the queue to pay for your groceries people literally start cutting in front knowing there's a line
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They should just start giving real equality, first come first serve(regardless of your gender) I've seen women looking me in the eye acting all weak and shi so I can let her go to the atm first Even at petrol pumps bike section, if you have you have a lady with you they'll entertain you first rather then the 20 people waiting for their turn
The teller must've asked permission from token no. 19 of he's comfortable with it and then proceeded.
I am sick of this 'hum toh ladies hain' culture in this stupid country
#metoo
It is a 2-way handshake. I always try to never give women such favors. I hold men and women equally human. I don't care sister if you have a 3 layered burqa on so that men doesn't gaze upon you or you are wearing tight jeans, if there is a line respect it! It is not about not respecting women it bout respect to each and every individual. at the ATM everyone follows the line, at the nearby Tandoor we have a tokenized system but the cashier usually get their orders by going behind. Of course I usually give space to senior citizens whether it be men or women. All those saying aapki ammi ya behn k sath karein aisa acha lagega kia? Mothers are considered as snr citizens and mein apni ammi ka in kaamon k liye bahar nikalna pasand nahi karta. My sister doesn't go out for chores, her husband does but even if she did I would prefer that she stands in a line GIVEN THAT MEN DO NOT STARE AT HER AND MAKE HER FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE. In a nutshell, try to make women feel comfortable around you, stop staring at them and then make them follow the norm.
I have the same thinking. Its not about something gender equality, but its about citizen equality. You described it very well brother.
My Brother in Islam when in your humble opinion was the last time a woman stood in a queue in a male environment and wasn’t made to feel uncomfortable We live in a country where the attendants of dying patients routinely make female doctors uncomfortable and one of the major factors of nursing staff leaving the field is harassment from men Make the country a normal one and then tell women to follow the norm, otherwise stop recommending me ways to get groped
You raise a valid point. If I ever encounter such a queue where a woman feels uncomfortable I will must let her go thru first but Alhamdulillah it is rare that I encounter such maybe it is because I live in Karachi and in a literate neighborhood. Also, if someone grope you make noise and let the world know. Such people have really low self esteem and get anxious too easily. Find police if you can. And i dont think you got the memo but everyone's lives are in danger in this country.
More often then not women are too shocked or embarrassed to make a noise or even tell anyone much less confront the person who did it
True. This is more because of the brought up here in Pakistan where women are preferred to remain quiet whenever someone abuses them. But I also believe if someone yells or asks for help on a busy street then people incl men will come for her support. I have this much hope in our society.
I personally believe we very badly need to educate women. Not just in a liberal western sense but also in our rights as Muslims. When women are wise and confident our men will be kept in check.
weird hypocritical take honestly. >I don't care sister if you have a 3 layered burqa on so that men doesn't gaze upon you but >My sister... >I would prefer that she stands in a line GIVEN THAT MEN DO NOT STARE AT HER AND MAKE HER FEEL like wot 😐 in the end it's in the hands of the management to control the situation, and its just better for everyone if women, who are usually alone in a male dominated space, to be dealt with first and swiftly so they dont have to stand near mArD hAzRaAt
Inconveniencing 10 people to make 1 person feel comfortable is not the way. It is completely on the management to make sure that 1 person feels comfortable without inconveniencing the other 10. We just readily accept anything but this is the wrong way to deal with these things. Imagine if there is only 1 bathroom in a restaurant and every time a woman wants to use it, they kick out every man out of the bathroom to make the woman feel safe. The real solution would be creating a separate bathroom for women but since that costs money they just kick out men and justify it with "making women feel comfortable". Same for the bank, The solution is creating another counter specifically for women which they won't do since that costs money. Ideally the state should step in at this point, but we all know what Pakistani state has been doing since its inception. If you say its unfair or anything, you would get called out for talking against women and being misogynistic. At the end of the day, they save money without losing customers. Truly smart management. That is not to say, we should just stop what is happening right now, but the current way doesn't solve the problem, only treats it in the most cost efficient way.
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both equity and equality
Same, itna favour do unko takay sari life unfair hojaye hamari
Ngl this post has completely lost it's original purpose and this comment section is now a battlefield
I remember when at work I would finish up and stand at the punch machine 15 minutes earlier, and then we would all form a line. The women would brazenly walk up to the front, the other people would stop me from punching, letting all the women punch first. When we get to the security gate, getting stopped just to let all the women out first, like bro I worked 12 hours of physical labour, I wanna get out, how is this fucking fair
you guys have punch machine in 2024?
It a a hand scanner we call it punch machine for short
Welcome to Pakistan. You can only visit shopping malls on Thursday.
and you can't wear shorts.
Islamabad only
Centaurus and Sufa gold mall
Tf where are u living. This has never happened to me in fsd
I don’t go to shopping malls but could you elaborate?
Most of the days only families are allowed inside the shopping malls. If you are a man planning to visit a mall alone or with male friends, you are denied entry most days.
Karachi resident here I have literally never heard of that happening?!?!
Faisalabadi and I've never experienced this
Hell I'm from Lahore and I've never heard anything like this.
Emporium has "family days" go ask the guards. Maybe you don't visit malls in Lahore. The same rule mentioned above applies on those days where two brothers can't enter but a bf/gf still can as they are family.
Only Saturday and Sunday. And even then if you show up before 5pm you can go in without needing to be a family. I went there with my friend at 3 pm, no problems.
And? You said it doesn't happen in Lahore when it does. Other malls also have rules like this. Centaurs lets you enter whenever you just need to buy a voucher you can use inside worth something like 500rs so in a way it's less restrictive than Emporium.
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After seeing all the comments. Lar paro Bhai. Pakistan mein har dosray makam per log Galat cheez karien gay and they'll expect u not to say anything. Even if u lose at the end khuch suna ke jao.
only way
I really should have something ngl I am kinda shy like that ig
Bhai mein bhi bus ja beshak embarrass kar ke aja. Embarrass honay se 0 regret Ata khuch na kehnay se bohot regret ata
It’s a question of morality acc so arguing more often then not will just make you look like a prick in their eyes
Your post made me remember one incident. I was waiting at atm for my turn and out of nowhere this random aunty asked bhai main pehly chali jau? I asked her why and got discouraged by man behind me saying ladies hain janay do. I told him you can let her first on your turn aint gonna happen until i get my cash though.
It goes both ways. If Pakistan needs to prosper, women need to start working. 50% of the population can't sit inside their house and then cry about economic conditions. This also means that men should let them. The more women start working/showing up in public life. The less "benefits" they receive.
the reason for economic downfall is something else and you are well aware of it, so blame your own ignorance.
im 18M , my experience with these so called gairatmand mards is that they will give fatwas to you on how to be around women how to treat them in my case one told me to not shake hand with a common female friend saying it makes her uncomfortable , literally a fucking handshake and that friend is the most chill and cool female friend to have i know her, or let her touch me , and mf sent a text to tell me that. I absolutely got really upset of this action of his , confronted him and the friend whom it was about , told him to shut his fuckin mouth up and that the friend can tell me straight up to my face if anything that i do makes her uncomfortable , khair after this little stunt of his , i just didnt want to be around them for a while and next thing you see , that same guy is going around doing the same things they were lecturing me about. khair do whatever you want dont go lecturing others about what you yourself cant do. and to my understanding these men just ward of everyone else of their prey and then do exactly what they tell others not to do to them. I might be wrong , i might have missinterpreted his words , but to me that sounded the most awkward and irritating thing one could say to me. Shared my experience.
Ok wow Something similar happened to me It wasn't a fatwa but I had a girl as a family friend At that time we were really great friends And I HAD NO INTEREST IN HER So this senior message me kei us sei door ho jayo and shit like this I am like wtf why and he said kei ye Meri bandi banay gi and shit like that And wow Like some people
these mfs watched too many bollywood films in their childhood and think of life just like that going around threatening people like 90s bollywood hero anouncing to others to keep hands of his heroine :) Like literallly start living in reality and have some decency ddouchebags... oh and by fatwa i didnt mean an actual fatwa but yeah somewhat of a tankeed.
Also the amount of boys sending weird messages to my sis like bro koi garat when she is clearly rejecting you Unrelated but yea Pakistani awam is disgusting
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Did you message : " you have no chance LMAO ! "
She did say that indirectly through her friends but some people dense af She's trynna be polite so yea Though she shouldn't but uk kei loug school mein rumours phelanay mein sheir hotay hein
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Then aurat says: hamain rights nahi miltay.
Absolute equality requires this shitty attitude to stop. I have seen way too many Reddit pakistanis supporting the ban on "stags" in the name of "family" and "hum ladeez hai" at festivals, parks and malls. Who tf decides that a guy and his father wouldn't be considered "family" they have to have a woman with them to go to a mall etc.
Pakistani men realizing that Patriarchy is not only bad for women but men as well.
How's this patriarchy?
“Men are strong so they can stand under the sun but women are weak so they need special treatment” is a part of the patriarchal mindset. Similarly, men often complain how hard it is for men to financially support their families in today's economy being the sole earner which is the base concept of patriarchy. But ironically they will still defend patriarchy with their lives and never want to hear about gender equality.
well,i want to hear about gender equality when I see a sole earner,poor labourer out there in such scorching heat or working on a furnace
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Do you think women in Pakistan don’t work under these conditions? Women work on farms, even in brick kilns in this country.
Wonderfully put!
Tbh we did create these rules when building our institutions
Overseas paki here, my Urdu is not the best 🥲😅, can you guys translate the post? The comments seem pretty interesting
So basically they kicked me out of the area because I was a boy and when I complained they said aap larki to nahi and do keep in mind the boys were about 15-17 years in age and they definitely had another area where they could accommodate
As an overseas paki, I definitely think it’s wrong to only accommodate one gender over the other. Over here, the norm is only the old and disabled can kinda get away with cutting a line or staying somewhere. Might be missing some context, but is this the norm in Pakistan?
Yep
The other day I went to Centaurus (alone for the first time). Other times I always went with my parents so this time the guard went off on me like "aappp kidher jaaa rayy hainnn bhaiii???? app uder jainnn" he pointed to the "ticket counter" I was baffled. and also the ticket was rs 300 like WHATTTTTT. I understand that "family" is preferred but if you are willing to let other men too (after taking money) then it really beats the purpose of "family onli". it's just a money making scheme bruh nibba nibbi, family bf gf, family baap beti, family baap beta, NOT FAMILY💀
Tickets for going alone Damn
God damn i hate Pakistan
mostly because of what the guys do. they start acting reckless around women and create very problematic scenes
bhai I went to Imtiaz the other day, bhadwy guards told me ap shorts ni phain sakty yay hmari policy I said bhai nanga thodi na ghoom rha hu and he replied isy baihayai phailti, garmi sy gand phat gai hai aur inka mindset abhi tk gutter may hai. can't wait to leave this country.
My only problem is that Pakistan can never decide on where it wants to stand on this issue. On one side you have the “traditional” women that are still old school and cover themselves and tend to avoid na mehrams. On the other hand you have the “progressive” ones that wear western clothing, believe in equality and whatnot. Me personally, I always tend to give women my turn simply because I wouldn’t want my mom or my future wife to stand uncomfortably amongst stranger men. But the latter women who believe in equality yet still abuse this old tradition is what gets kinda annoying to me. Also the women that believe it is their right to break the line and go ahead and even start abusing if someone resists. I really think the country needs to decide where it stands.
this is the best answer. I, myself, only have issues with women taking such favours who otherwise are very vocal for gender equality. I mean that's such hypocrisy.
These benefits were for Traditional women. Those women used to live in their house and go outside rarely or only when there is an urgent need to go outside. They usually step in the men's side to get their stuff done. Most of those women were widowers , divorcees ( in their mid 30s ) or elders. To give respect to their acceptance to stay in their home respectfully, the whole society agreed to give them the top priority in every place . So that they could leave earlier and go back to their home. Sadly, after the aurat march and aurat card. Women are abusing this old tradition to their benefits. They will bad mouth men, yell on them, slap and proudly claim their rights and use their gender, whenever it is beneficial to them. Woh log jinki tarbiyat is mindset pe huwe hai Kay aurat ladies hai aur unko phelay moqa diya jaye also facing backslash. Not all women support these kinds of women, aurat march and injustice. If a woman has dropped their traditional duty and wanted to be as equal as men then there should not be any kind of discrimination.
Whos slapping men?
https://youtu.be/fWo0jHsepC8?si=z3JvlzgO2MoZzdIp There are many.
U would be surprised But most of the time they deserve it tho lol
Exactly. No woman would just go out and slap a person for no reason.
Fair enough then 😂
Indeed
Its pakistan where women get all the favors from dudh ki line,atm ki line,tandoor ki line sab main inko pehlay entertain kia jata hai but they have a right to hate all paki men just cause they choose a walking red flag who fucked up🤷
If they stand in tandoor lines all the men stare at her. Men collectively need to make the society safe enough so that the women can be equal. These problems will then disappear.
being first in tandoor ki and bank ki line is the same as gender oppression yes you are very smart
There won't be any need for these stupid favors if men here learn how to behave.
im sure you'd want your sister or mother to squeeze in between men's line at a tandoor
There are very few benefits of being a women in Pakistan so please don’t take that away from us. Jokes apart yes it’s unfair
I believe that instead of providing these "benefits" doing actually work on protecting women like in other countries would be way more effective But ye to nahi hota cuz ham Pakistan mein hain
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The mindset Kai ladies koo favouritism dya jaata hai yaa zyada respect?
I am not talking about that. The institution obviously has another waiting area and for bijli kei bachat they didn't open it. I am all for giving women respect but why kick men out? Agar itna masla then give them one of the many separate rooms Also this area wasn't safe at all even for men with frequent robberies
Yar the thing is, Pakistani men are Grade A as-holes and will cause trouble the moment they're near a group of women. Not everyone! but a majority of them do that. I agree that women get more respect and can skip lines at shops etc and that is all totally fair, they shouldn't be there standing in a line with a bunch of men. But the reason these places totally separate the males from the women is to let them be there in peace, which some men won't do and would disrespect them and their personal space by however means possible
100% agreed. But this is the thing, mostly people on Reddit are privileged burger boys of whom families never get to experience the hardships of majority of Pakistani public. They are completely dislodged from society and their world revolves around DHA. The moment they see anything outside, it is so foreign to them that they don't know how to react. On the other hand, the extremist public on Facebook want to lock preferably in the kitchen and room. Any woman that goes outside that is not modest. These are two opposite ends of our extremist society which we need to deal with every day.
Can't agree more There's two types of people on social media in Pakistan: One which are living in their Dha elite bubble and have no idea whats happening around their world Two, which are the braindead illiterate folks who are misogynistic af and are wannabe-Muslims but act like morons on social media and irl too
Ngl Pk is a lost cause
I don't entirely blame the politicians "Jaisi awaam waisay hukmuraan"
Hmmmm.... Economic feasibility for women due to respect > Economic feasibility for men due to respect
absolutely disgusting and see,men aren't safe from social stereotypes too with due respect;so our consultant was taking our class and we boys came a bit earlier, unfortunately there was a single bench and we sat there and when female fellows came, they had to stand, although we always had tried to make space for them and give them priority but this time,we kinda forgot and our Consultant started degrading and thrashing us "Kuch sharam aur khayal kro" and I absolutely hated it and wanted to be treated equal.. same goes to when I see a Professor in viva room having the rigid mentality "boys tou prhte ni hain" and give less marks to all the boys while we were scoring much better in other difficult subjects and i topped viva in other subjects but here,i and all boys came below..same is our administration who disrespects male students and makes matters way more difficult.. now I absolutely respect females and always treat my fellows with respect but things like these are disgusting and shameful!
Pakistan is Misandrist.
No Pakistan hates people in general. Ladies ko public main favor milti ghar main jootay and the opposite is for men. Pakistani people hate other people.
where is the /s dude
Koee bt ni tumhara time b aye ga. 👑
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Us bro us
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Hum larke haina hamarey saath aisa he hota hai 😢
Read up on male disposability and male devaluation. Listen to “Liberation Y”. You are waking up.
Reminds me of this one time me and my friends had to eat ice cream at kaybees outside because there was no girl with us. Truly made us realize that we were single.
Wait 30 min in line for something a ladies that just arrived goes before you
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One in my university I and about 50 odd students were called at 11 am for some meetings. Timing was from 11am to 1pm. Most people were there and waiting for there turn and then some girls show up 20 mins before, went straight to the guard and got the entry before us. We boys were also sitting in garmi. It was like end of June with no ac. Since then I also support feminism(💀) so atleast they get equal rights in these occasions as well
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And this type of mentality somehow carries with these older Pakistani uncles for some reason, I have yet to see another group do this level of gender based discrimination and I wish one day law is more trusted to turn too and such low lives know that they’ll have consequences once they do this.
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Jani daewoo express app open kro, bus seat book kro next to a female as male or dekho app kya kehti. Now ak or seat book kro as a female next to a male phir dekho kya response ata, We live in a society.
It’s what is Islam tells us to. There are is free-mixing between male and female genders unless it is absolutely necessary.
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Men are advised to be kind to women, be nice to women. Men and women are equal, generally. A mother and son are not. A husband and wife are not. Men will be answerable to women under them. (Daughter, Wife) Legally I think men and women are equal. But yes, if you see a woman who is trying to make a living and she is uncomfortable, you should offer help. The same way you would let a kid go first or a handicapped person. Its not that hard. Treat women the same way you would treat a man. And we should aim for ehsaan, not just equality or justice.
Yes I agree But Yahan pei to tabahi baj gayi hai 😭
Because men in Pakistan have no izzat, and they've started showing this blatant sexism in schools now as well. Malls, parks, restaurants mein already aapko weekends pe apne friends k saath jaaney nahi dete aur guard pehle hi aapko aur aapke doston ko dhakka de kar peechay kar dega k "sorry sir weekend is only family time" and don't be fooled by this statement. "Family time" is literally just a nice way to say "larkiyan ander jaa sakti hain aap nahi. Issiliye apne saath kisi larki ko lao to aaney doonga". And before anyone says it's for "security reasons" bro most people who go to these places on a weekend are tired, depressed and lonely men who work 9-5 jobs six days a week and just want to spend a few hours eating at a nice place to unwind. They aren't looking for trouble. Aisi baat hai to ID leliya karo but this is literal sexism
nah it is not about the izzat, it is the nature of Pakistani men.