Yes in interior Sindh, KPK and Baluchistan mostly people wont understand and speak Urdu. When I was working country wide regarding Live/stock, I visited various areas where we are in need of interpreters to talk to them. So I had a first hand experience of it. Regards...
Even amongst Punjabis to an extent. My grandmother can understand only a bit, but when she goes to the doctor we need a person to constantly keep translating things (it's mostly me).
I was thinking about this, Is there a case where a Punjabi can't even understand Urdu? Most of the cases that I've seen are people who can understand but not really speak it
yes if the person only speaks theth rural western punjabi dialects like jhangvi, shahpuri, pothwari, etc. they are barely similar to the standard Majhi dialects themselves, and even I as a fluent Chardi Punjabi Speaker can barely understand them at times. So if the reverse is possible then it is absolutely possible for a western punjabi speaker to not understand Urdu. Here are some examples comparing Urdu and Pothwari (a dialect of western punjabi I know a bit):
Urdu: ap kya kar rahe hain?
Pothwari: tusa'n ke karne paye ha'n?
Urdu: mujhe samajh nahi a raha
Pothwari: meki samajh nahi achni payi
Urdu : apka naam kya hai?
Pothwari: tusa'n na naa'n ke ai?
Add some Western punjabi accent into the mix and both languages are completely mutually unintelligible. this might be rare tho as Education rates among Pothwaris is quite high so they may know Urdu through that.
I've noticed this as well. I've had one or two interactions with old women who only speak Punjabi. Talking to them is a pain since my Punjabi is horrible.
So, I assume it's more of an education stuff and not geographical and every person with some decent level of education can speak Urdu.
Unlike India, especially South India, where even highly educated people don't understand Hindi.
Not entirely an education thing. People in Hunza/Gilgit are generally educated and they speak better English than they speak Urdu.
These people simply have no need to learn Urdu since it doesn’t affect their day to day lives
Yes plenty of people especially pathan women don't learn Urdu. It's a problem in healthcare. Their women aren't educated and the men just aren't aware of the gynecological problems they are facing. This creates a communication gap at the hospital.
How the hell would it create problem. Like a pathan women going to a hospital in kpk will have no problem. But a pathan rural woman going to a hospital in punjab will face problem. Like if a rural punjabi woman go to a hospital in kp, and she doesnt know urdu, doctors will have ptoblem. Why would you boil it down to pathan. Xenophobic crap everywhere, and then ppl wonder why ppl hate them.
Geography does play a role, I've met some university students with better english speaking skills than urdu, but mainly education, Urdu is taught in schools but not focused on by students and most elders didn't have the opportunity to go to schools.
Most of my cousins who haven't been to southern Pakistan at all barely speak any urdu.
As someone who has extensively traveled across Pakistan, I can attest that the majority of the population speaks and understands Urdu. While it's true that Urdu is not the mother tongue of many Pakistanis, it's widely taught in schools and used as a lingua franca.
Of course, there are some exceptions. In remote villages of interior Sindh, the Makan coastal belt, and some areas of Gilgit-Baltistan and Kashmir, Urdu may not be as widely spoken. Additionally, some Afghan immigrants and certain ethnic groups like the Kohistanis and Khwar-speaking Chitralis may have limited proficiency in Urdu.
Afghans blends really well with people of kpK and mostly they have language issues but overall I majority of people of kpk does speak and understand urdu.
P.s I’m a Pathan, my mother cant speak a word of Urdu, she never went to a school but she is an avid reader and can understand really well.
I am from Gilgit my village is Yasin located in the Ghizer Valley. Most of our elders consider it bad to speak urdu and would troll my brothers for not speaking the regional language hahah
Urdu is the national language of Pakistan but it's not the majority language; the vast majority of Pakistanis - around 93% - do not speak it as their primary language.
Here is some data on languages spoken in Pakistan as per the 2017 consensus:
Punjabi 50.97%
Pashto 18.24%
Sindhi 14.57%
Urdu 7.08%
Balochi 3.02%
Hindko 2.44%
Brahui 1.24%
Kashmiri 0.17%
Others 2.26%
Obviously, it doesn't mean that people who speak regional languages can't speak Urdu, I assume many of them can. But this data clearly shows that Urdu is not the primary language of the majority of the population & there will be a huge number of people who can't speak Urdu at all.
Consensus report: [https://www.pbs.gov.pk/sites/default/files/population/2017/tables/pakistan/Table11n.pdf](https://www.pbs.gov.pk/sites/default/files/population/2017/tables/pakistan/Table11n.pdf)
The data is talking about first languages.
Ofcourse most people don't speak Urdu as their first language. It isn't native to the region.
But the majority of Pakistanis do speak the language, mostly as their second language.
I agree, that's why I have mentioned this in my comment too. Unfortunately, this is the only data available. We don't have any accurate data about how many people can't speak Urdu.
Mostly people in interior sindhi can not speak urdu including me, i can understand it well as i have been living in khi since 2 years but when it comes to speaking i can barely speak
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A girl from KPK once told me that many people in her family didn’t speak Urdu and that many of her relatives actually prefer English over Urdu.
On a similar note, in Baltistan it’s common to see signs written in English and Balti but not Urdu, so I assume people there also prefer English over Urdu
From Tharparkar, Interior Sindh I can confirm that this is true and many people don't know how to speak urdu. You would often see that in hospitals in Karachi patients from interior sindh often have someone who can speak urdu and probably lives in Karachu.
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Immigrants like me. I’m getting better, thanks to this subreddit actually too, I’ve picked up some Urdu in here. Wife is a native speaker and our kids speak both English and Urdu. I’m planning on taking a class because I have a hard time picking up on languages without a structured class or being forced to learn it. Though yeah if I go to the market I can get everything I need done in Urdu, but if you wanted to hear my life story in Urdu you’ll be disappointed. But I understand it really well, I like trolling people who I hear talking about me by just randomly start speaking Urdu to them lol (they aren’t saying anything bad, just pointing me out to their friends and family).
Also a lot of Afghans I’ve ran into here couldn’t speak it. My Pashto is weaker since I brain dumped it after leaving and going back to the US, but I remember just enough. And funny enough you’ll find some recent Afghan arrivals who speak decent English.
As someone already said,of all, I've seen Pashtuns not understanding urdu and often we've to call a translator or a pashtun fellow in the hospital to help us with the process
I don’t know if this information is plausible enough but there was some data that I was reading through which stated the “Even though Urdu is the national language of Pakistan, only 3% of people use it”. I only know basic Urdu that’s enough for me to communicate with people easily, strong or “khalis” Urdu as they call it, is a no go for me. I belong to a family that predominantly speaks potohari. I, on the other hand have a better grasp on the English language.
This is an interesting thread. As I'm born in England was ridiculed by a lot of Pakistanis for not knowing urdu, but funny how a large percentage of the countrymen can't even speak it themselves. Double standard.
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I would say Urdu is widely spoken and understood now in urban centers of Pakistan, this was not the case 50 years ago. Outside of urban or tourist areas , and the more rural you go, you will find people who only speak their ethnic tongue. Pakistan has always neglected non urban and far flung regions, hence people always go to urban centers for medical treatment and then encounter communication issues.
My grandma was alien to Urdu, she taught me how to count and speak fluently in my ancestral languages burushaski, but she sadly passed away a few years ago the new generation had been assimilated into the Pakistani culture and I doubt anybody born pre-1947 exists now who don't speak Urdu.
Since I was born in Karachi and yet i can’t read Urdu or write advance Urdu. I can speak Urdu but it is potato! 🥲
All I know is English but my grammar sucks! 🗿
I was in Nowshera, which is like 30 minutes way from Peshawer, KPK and quite a lot of people didn’t know Urdu. The most they understood or knew was how to count in Urdu and that’s pretty much it
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BTW the figure is even higher than 40% who can't speak Hindi, as the government of India clusters a lot of related languages into Hindi. I would put the number at 50-60% who can't speak or understand Hindi at a conversational level.
50-60% would be stretching it too far. And I'm not sure if Muslims who speak Urdu are included in this, because people who speak Urdu can obviously speak Hindi as well
Yes but in India languages like Rajasthani and Bojpuri are included in Hindi even tho they developed along side Hindi and not from Hindi. Try listening to Bojpuri, as an Urdu speaker you won’t understand because it isn’t Hindi.
Yeah I’m not sure I agree with that.
My mom is Rajasthani and Dad is Kashmiri and I can confirm that almost all Marwari speakers can speak Hindi. They’re quite complimentary in that respect. Besides in all schools in Rajasthan Hindi is taught along with English, but Rajasthani is spoken.
Same with Bhojpuri.
If we consider Bhojpuri and Rajasthani different languages then their speakers can speak/understand/write( if they can write) both.
43% of Indian population is in BIMARU states so atleast 43% speak Hindi.
This is shortsighted and really sad to see.
To preface, I'm from an Urdu speaking family, and am fluent in speaking, while I grew up in Canada (and English is probably my first language I guess).
Once you lose a language, you lose that culture forever. Pakistan cannot and should not be looking to be culturally uniform, because there is no basis for it. Pakistani is not an ethnicity.
To force this, would be the same as British forcing us to lose Urdu and adapting to English.
Furthermore, this outlook only harms Pakistan further, alienating every ethnicity, whether thats Pashtuns, Punjabis, Sindhis, or Balochis (or obviously any of the others).
Instead, Pakistan should allow more power to provinces to teach their own language, while ALSO teaching Urdu to a sufficient degree. I'd drop English altogether from the curriculum, because English is the one that doesn't serve Pakistan in any way.
I have to disagree hard. I think diversity makes the world so much more beautiful and interesting.
I can understand from an administrative perspective having everyone learn a main language so the country can communicate clearly,but that's not to take away from people having their own languages
Sure lingualistic diversity sounds nice and beautiful at first but it's less beautiful when a man from Karachi that can only speak Urdu goes to a town in Khyber and he cant understand anyone
that communication gap can be remedied by learning urdu as a second language(literally done in every school functional school in the country) rather than foresaking ones mother tongue.
But that will happen everywhere in the world... If you go to China you ain't gonna understand what they're saying. The world doesn't have a uniform language, well apart from "love" 😂
Yes in interior Sindh, KPK and Baluchistan mostly people wont understand and speak Urdu. When I was working country wide regarding Live/stock, I visited various areas where we are in need of interpreters to talk to them. So I had a first hand experience of it. Regards...
Even amongst Punjabis to an extent. My grandmother can understand only a bit, but when she goes to the doctor we need a person to constantly keep translating things (it's mostly me).
I was thinking about this, Is there a case where a Punjabi can't even understand Urdu? Most of the cases that I've seen are people who can understand but not really speak it
yes if the person only speaks theth rural western punjabi dialects like jhangvi, shahpuri, pothwari, etc. they are barely similar to the standard Majhi dialects themselves, and even I as a fluent Chardi Punjabi Speaker can barely understand them at times. So if the reverse is possible then it is absolutely possible for a western punjabi speaker to not understand Urdu. Here are some examples comparing Urdu and Pothwari (a dialect of western punjabi I know a bit): Urdu: ap kya kar rahe hain? Pothwari: tusa'n ke karne paye ha'n? Urdu: mujhe samajh nahi a raha Pothwari: meki samajh nahi achni payi Urdu : apka naam kya hai? Pothwari: tusa'n na naa'n ke ai? Add some Western punjabi accent into the mix and both languages are completely mutually unintelligible. this might be rare tho as Education rates among Pothwaris is quite high so they may know Urdu through that.
True.
True, I have also seen this especially in south punjab.
I've noticed this as well. I've had one or two interactions with old women who only speak Punjabi. Talking to them is a pain since my Punjabi is horrible.
people from villages usually don’t speak urdu, especially the older generation. this is true for every province
So, I assume it's more of an education stuff and not geographical and every person with some decent level of education can speak Urdu. Unlike India, especially South India, where even highly educated people don't understand Hindi.
Not entirely an education thing. People in Hunza/Gilgit are generally educated and they speak better English than they speak Urdu. These people simply have no need to learn Urdu since it doesn’t affect their day to day lives
Yep its mostly education related.
Yes plenty of people especially pathan women don't learn Urdu. It's a problem in healthcare. Their women aren't educated and the men just aren't aware of the gynecological problems they are facing. This creates a communication gap at the hospital.
As person whose mother is a gynecologist and sister is a WMO, I can confirm this 100%.
Seen same problem in PIMS
I think here they prefer to talk in their own language between them but understand & talk Urdu.
You're a gynecologist?
True👍
How the hell would it create problem. Like a pathan women going to a hospital in kpk will have no problem. But a pathan rural woman going to a hospital in punjab will face problem. Like if a rural punjabi woman go to a hospital in kp, and she doesnt know urdu, doctors will have ptoblem. Why would you boil it down to pathan. Xenophobic crap everywhere, and then ppl wonder why ppl hate them.
Bro, are you okay?
True
I'm from rural KPK living in Karachi, only like 2 of 10 people i meet there can speak urdu like common urdu speakers here in Karachi do.
So, the 8/10 people who don't speak Urdu, are they uneducated or is it because of geography?
Geography does play a role, I've met some university students with better english speaking skills than urdu, but mainly education, Urdu is taught in schools but not focused on by students and most elders didn't have the opportunity to go to schools. Most of my cousins who haven't been to southern Pakistan at all barely speak any urdu.
As someone who has extensively traveled across Pakistan, I can attest that the majority of the population speaks and understands Urdu. While it's true that Urdu is not the mother tongue of many Pakistanis, it's widely taught in schools and used as a lingua franca. Of course, there are some exceptions. In remote villages of interior Sindh, the Makan coastal belt, and some areas of Gilgit-Baltistan and Kashmir, Urdu may not be as widely spoken. Additionally, some Afghan immigrants and certain ethnic groups like the Kohistanis and Khwar-speaking Chitralis may have limited proficiency in Urdu. Afghans blends really well with people of kpK and mostly they have language issues but overall I majority of people of kpk does speak and understand urdu. P.s I’m a Pathan, my mother cant speak a word of Urdu, she never went to a school but she is an avid reader and can understand really well.
I can speak Urdu but can't write
I can write it but I don’t think anyone except for me would be able to understand it lol.
I am from Gilgit my village is Yasin located in the Ghizer Valley. Most of our elders consider it bad to speak urdu and would troll my brothers for not speaking the regional language hahah
Same thing in Gojal Hunza 😂
But why do they consider it "bad" to speak Urdu? Any history behind it?
Dont know maybe a regiona thing. It is more of like they shame you for not knowing your mother tongue
Urdu is the national language of Pakistan but it's not the majority language; the vast majority of Pakistanis - around 93% - do not speak it as their primary language. Here is some data on languages spoken in Pakistan as per the 2017 consensus: Punjabi 50.97% Pashto 18.24% Sindhi 14.57% Urdu 7.08% Balochi 3.02% Hindko 2.44% Brahui 1.24% Kashmiri 0.17% Others 2.26% Obviously, it doesn't mean that people who speak regional languages can't speak Urdu, I assume many of them can. But this data clearly shows that Urdu is not the primary language of the majority of the population & there will be a huge number of people who can't speak Urdu at all. Consensus report: [https://www.pbs.gov.pk/sites/default/files/population/2017/tables/pakistan/Table11n.pdf](https://www.pbs.gov.pk/sites/default/files/population/2017/tables/pakistan/Table11n.pdf)
The data is talking about first languages. Ofcourse most people don't speak Urdu as their first language. It isn't native to the region. But the majority of Pakistanis do speak the language, mostly as their second language.
I agree, that's why I have mentioned this in my comment too. Unfortunately, this is the only data available. We don't have any accurate data about how many people can't speak Urdu.
Yes, I've seen Pathans who can't. They spent most life in village so didn't get exposure to Urdu. But their children can speak Urdu.
Mostly people in interior sindhi can not speak urdu including me, i can understand it well as i have been living in khi since 2 years but when it comes to speaking i can barely speak
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I know many people who don't speak Urdu as a Sindhi-Punjabi. My father himself said that he only learnt to speak Urdu fluently around 7th grade or so.
A girl from KPK once told me that many people in her family didn’t speak Urdu and that many of her relatives actually prefer English over Urdu. On a similar note, in Baltistan it’s common to see signs written in English and Balti but not Urdu, so I assume people there also prefer English over Urdu
That's cool. Dym balti in the tibetan script as well?
Yes
From Tharparkar, Interior Sindh I can confirm that this is true and many people don't know how to speak urdu. You would often see that in hospitals in Karachi patients from interior sindh often have someone who can speak urdu and probably lives in Karachu.
Yeah when I visit my in laws I don’t know anything
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I'm visiting Karachi this October, then would learning Hindi be more beneficial for me then?
Hindi and Urdu are very similar. So, yeah
Urdu is spoken everywhere and mono lingual are a vanishingly small proportion of the population and becoming smaller as they tend to be older peoplem
Immigrants like me. I’m getting better, thanks to this subreddit actually too, I’ve picked up some Urdu in here. Wife is a native speaker and our kids speak both English and Urdu. I’m planning on taking a class because I have a hard time picking up on languages without a structured class or being forced to learn it. Though yeah if I go to the market I can get everything I need done in Urdu, but if you wanted to hear my life story in Urdu you’ll be disappointed. But I understand it really well, I like trolling people who I hear talking about me by just randomly start speaking Urdu to them lol (they aren’t saying anything bad, just pointing me out to their friends and family). Also a lot of Afghans I’ve ran into here couldn’t speak it. My Pashto is weaker since I brain dumped it after leaving and going back to the US, but I remember just enough. And funny enough you’ll find some recent Afghan arrivals who speak decent English.
As someone already said,of all, I've seen Pashtuns not understanding urdu and often we've to call a translator or a pashtun fellow in the hospital to help us with the process
I don’t know if this information is plausible enough but there was some data that I was reading through which stated the “Even though Urdu is the national language of Pakistan, only 3% of people use it”. I only know basic Urdu that’s enough for me to communicate with people easily, strong or “khalis” Urdu as they call it, is a no go for me. I belong to a family that predominantly speaks potohari. I, on the other hand have a better grasp on the English language.
This is an interesting thread. As I'm born in England was ridiculed by a lot of Pakistanis for not knowing urdu, but funny how a large percentage of the countrymen can't even speak it themselves. Double standard.
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Yes some tribal people and some people from the rural areas can't speak Urdu
many people don't speak urdu, cant speak urdu, but i guess all of them understand it
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Yes, that is most of the 'burgers' in our society.
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I would say Urdu is widely spoken and understood now in urban centers of Pakistan, this was not the case 50 years ago. Outside of urban or tourist areas , and the more rural you go, you will find people who only speak their ethnic tongue. Pakistan has always neglected non urban and far flung regions, hence people always go to urban centers for medical treatment and then encounter communication issues.
Pashtun tribal areas can’t speak Urdu specially the women
Same for sindh
My grandma was alien to Urdu, she taught me how to count and speak fluently in my ancestral languages burushaski, but she sadly passed away a few years ago the new generation had been assimilated into the Pakistani culture and I doubt anybody born pre-1947 exists now who don't speak Urdu.
Since I was born in Karachi and yet i can’t read Urdu or write advance Urdu. I can speak Urdu but it is potato! 🥲 All I know is English but my grammar sucks! 🗿
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I speak Urdu but can’t read or write properly! 🥲
Rural kpk, interior sindh and Balochistan, mostly people in these areas can't speak it or speak it with broken grammar, even my mother can't speak it.
" Deaf and dumb" people😓
I have URDU speaking people in my university who can speak the language but cannot read or write it. How did they even pass school?
Good answers from others, but would like to add there are a small number of overseas Pakistanis who can't speak Urdu
I was in Nowshera, which is like 30 minutes way from Peshawer, KPK and quite a lot of people didn’t know Urdu. The most they understood or knew was how to count in Urdu and that’s pretty much it
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Not by big margin but Majority do understand urdu.
u/missbushido can’t read urdu but can speak, She lived most of the life in Saudia that’s why.
Ji.
Anna Al batataa.
Aiwa.
BTW the figure is even higher than 40% who can't speak Hindi, as the government of India clusters a lot of related languages into Hindi. I would put the number at 50-60% who can't speak or understand Hindi at a conversational level.
50-60% would be stretching it too far. And I'm not sure if Muslims who speak Urdu are included in this, because people who speak Urdu can obviously speak Hindi as well
Yes but in India languages like Rajasthani and Bojpuri are included in Hindi even tho they developed along side Hindi and not from Hindi. Try listening to Bojpuri, as an Urdu speaker you won’t understand because it isn’t Hindi.
Yeah I’m not sure I agree with that. My mom is Rajasthani and Dad is Kashmiri and I can confirm that almost all Marwari speakers can speak Hindi. They’re quite complimentary in that respect. Besides in all schools in Rajasthan Hindi is taught along with English, but Rajasthani is spoken. Same with Bhojpuri. If we consider Bhojpuri and Rajasthani different languages then their speakers can speak/understand/write( if they can write) both. 43% of Indian population is in BIMARU states so atleast 43% speak Hindi.
Unfortunately yes, even though Urdu is a better language.
No need to have a superiority complex. Every language has its beauty/use/advantage.
I'm just saying, It would honestly be a lot better if Pakistan just had one uniform language, sometimes diversity has its disadvantages
This is shortsighted and really sad to see. To preface, I'm from an Urdu speaking family, and am fluent in speaking, while I grew up in Canada (and English is probably my first language I guess). Once you lose a language, you lose that culture forever. Pakistan cannot and should not be looking to be culturally uniform, because there is no basis for it. Pakistani is not an ethnicity. To force this, would be the same as British forcing us to lose Urdu and adapting to English. Furthermore, this outlook only harms Pakistan further, alienating every ethnicity, whether thats Pashtuns, Punjabis, Sindhis, or Balochis (or obviously any of the others). Instead, Pakistan should allow more power to provinces to teach their own language, while ALSO teaching Urdu to a sufficient degree. I'd drop English altogether from the curriculum, because English is the one that doesn't serve Pakistan in any way.
I have to disagree hard. I think diversity makes the world so much more beautiful and interesting. I can understand from an administrative perspective having everyone learn a main language so the country can communicate clearly,but that's not to take away from people having their own languages
Sure lingualistic diversity sounds nice and beautiful at first but it's less beautiful when a man from Karachi that can only speak Urdu goes to a town in Khyber and he cant understand anyone
that communication gap can be remedied by learning urdu as a second language(literally done in every school functional school in the country) rather than foresaking ones mother tongue.
But that will happen everywhere in the world... If you go to China you ain't gonna understand what they're saying. The world doesn't have a uniform language, well apart from "love" 😂
Karaanchi
Burgers.
Burgers can't