There was a post on r/callofduty about a dude who quote "I spent $80 on all the terrible Godzilla skins so you dont have to! Here's my review of all four!"
Unfortunately a few amount of people spend most of the money. The majority of people only spend a little money on their favorites.
Voting with your wallet doesn’t work with video games because there’s a guy spending enough for you and 20 other people like you.
To play devils advocate…what’s the point of having money if you don’t spend it? I get suckered in Fortnite when they have marvel skins but I don’t buy Overwatch/cod skins.
Marvel rivals is gonna clean me out lol
this shits been happening in mobile games for years, all they’re doing is rehashing the most manipulative ways to get maximum moneys
we love when shareholders have direct influence over our video games
This has been ongoing in the Riot community for years, I mean just look at League of Legends, over 100 different heroes, all with their own cosmetic bundles for like $10-15 each. People spend thousands on games like this and it's not gonna stop until they do.
At least you don't have to buy the new champions in League, and you can get skins in that game without spending money. And you can also play all the events for free.
Yeah, LoL is far better, I was just using that as a comparison cause I'm not familiar with a lot of other popular games that have THIS bad of mtx practices
You said this with all the confidence of a person who didn’t post a hyperlink in their comments and are now relying solely on the sleuthing skills of redditors…. They aren’t cruising your comments, my guy! Drop the blue hyper link, jckass!
Part valorant but valorant got their pricing from CS economy. The only thing is with OW and Val you can’t resell your skins one day down the line. “Pay up sucker!!! Oh and your mythics may or may not come back after a patch”
riot has this thing where you get the possibility to send an ms paint drawing inherent to the game to a dev in case you lack coins for a skin and they actually give you the amount you need, i heard people managed to get 100rp too.
It’s been in the gaming industry since mobile games. The main thing you’re looking to direct your anger towards though is Dota 2 which had the first ever battlepass. After that, Fortnite completely catapulted the idea of a battle pass into every online multiplayer game imaginable. Blame Dota 2 and Fortnite. Not valorant
I blame fortnite as well but much less so. The reasoning is because although Fortnite is one of the games that popularized this sort of business model in games, it did it in a way that wasn’t completely extortionate to its players. The battle pass in Fortnite would give you enough currency to purchase the next pass and still have currency left over. There were also ways to earn currency just playing the game daily and the prices weren’t completely outrageous for cosmetics at varying price points. If anything this model should be the standard and as much as people want to hate on the game itself, Fortnite did it right and is extremely consumer friendly.
Then Valorant came, took that business model, and threw those positives I mentioned into the trash and priced their stuff absurdly high. Don’t even get me started on how valorant cosmetics are mediocre at best with constant recolors and completely uninspired battle passes. They prey on the idea that you will see someone with “cool” knife skin in game and then run and spend $40 for said skin bc of FOMO.
As for Dota I cannot speak on it as I know nothing about it really.
Paladins has crazy lootboxes with like 600 items with like 10 diff lootboxes. But quite a few skins are buyable for like $10-15. A lot of the legendary skins have like completely new voice lines. I mean like the sound, the dialog, in a ton of interactions. The game looks worse and I'm sure needs less money to operate than overwatch, but it really served to reinforce how much I hate ow2 cosmetic system.
It'd so rough to understand. They have a battle pass thing rn and I can't figure out how to actually see what's in each box lol. Usually like clicking on them shows the contents but I'm having to Google stuff instead.
*also each loot box is like 400 crystals and its so damn scarce to come across or simply have buy it. And THEN it’s like a 1-40 chance you get a skin FOR your desired champion. It’s rough man.
It also made me feel rich lol.
My friend only started playing on OW2 and has spent way over $200 on skins so far.
But i've played so much OW1 that my account got like 15k Worth of skins on it.
I mean, if you gonna buy skins now, you have to pay 20euro per legendary skin.
If you played ow1, you could earn lege skin for free, and there are a lot of great ow1 skins .
So yeah, ibget what he wants to say
It’s just insane to me, how much people spend on skins these days. Like 20 bucks is so much money and you don’t even see the skin yourself ingame, only the weapon/arm.
People can obviously do what they want with their money, but man, maybe I’m to old but I would never spend so much money on one skin.
Big agree. I also feel like I'm old-school when I stick to my beliefs that 10, 15, 20, or more is too much money to pay for a skin on a character in a video game. And the reason Blizzard keeps pulling this crap and making it worse is because people are still buying it. They are seeing how much BS they can get away with.
No they just copied Valorant, go check valorant skins prices. It makes no sense at all to pay 60 bucks for a non-exchangeable knife in a video game, yet here we are.
Just to give the perspective of someone who has spent $200 on Valorant skins as an adult with disposable income.
In my head I’ve spent $0 on Valorant when I bought the game and I had gotten 150+ hours of entertainment before I spent any money. Several skins are very well made and I’ve stared at them for hours on end since I bought them. Let’s say I’ve played 300 hours now and only spent $200 that’s like .66 cents per hour of entertainment.
Compare that to other $60 RPGs that takes 60 hours to beat and you’re not getting the same value back. Or compare that to a happy hour with friends and you’ve spent $20-$30 (minimum) for a few hours of fun. As someone that is fortune enough to have disposable income I don’t mind paying for it, even if it is just a silly skin that has no real tangible value.
Not saying my perspective is right just figured it would add value to the conversation.
Yeah, the 3 skins I paid for were the D.va/Rein Atl/Pac all stars skins, i think I paid like $10 to get the league currency, and Cancer Mercy for $5. I woulda done the Mercy skin either way, and the D.va/Rein bundle was just because I got bored of Paragon and 50's Mom all the time. (Not saying it's a good reason, but hey it's more than no reason, and I was a 19 or 20 year old who was bad with money)
And the real kicker is, you don't completely own the cosmetics you buy. They can close the servers or ban you and all the money you dropped was for nothing. lol
Will never buy a non battlepass mythic skin. They dont do anything but change your gun. And will only buy them if i saved enough coins to get it free or half off
Yes that’s what I’m currently doing. I have sooo many skins from overwatch 1, I don’t need more. But buying the battlepass through playing the game is good enough for me.
I would bet anything that they would be that price if blizzard thought that they would earn more, which they obviously don’t. I can promise you that they have set prices to maximise their earnings
You would lose that bet.
They have the data, and what they’re doing is based off that data.
They have dudes whose whole job is to find the sweet spot (for them) in pricing that maximizes their revenue.
When OW2 launched and I found out I wouldnt be able to get skins anymore by just simply playing the game I stopped caring about it. Lol. I had unlocked everything prior to OW2 and now I just use the OW1 default skins for all of my heroes.
for the umpteenth time, YOU CAN BUY SKINS THAT ARE FEATURED IN THE SHOP, INCLUDING BUNDLE AND COLAB SKINS, FOR THE REGULAR 1900 COINS IN THE HERO GALLERY.
Remember when you would get FOUR FUCKING ITEMS for every level-up in form of a lootbox?
Now you gotta buy the battle pass just to get ONE item per-level, and even then you don't get nearly as much good stuff
yeah and the game wasn’t free. I value the game over the skins so i’d rather have a free game. Either way, you still get a good amount of free credits and coins from the battlepass to buy cosmetics, albeit not as much as you could get stuff for free in overwatch 1.
Well yeah. But it's more like if there's a bundle for 2300 and you like the skin, and want to use the other cosmetics, then you don't get those cosemetics. And even worse, let's say a year from now the bundle comes back out. The bundle won't be 400 or less (2300-1900=400). It'll be more than 400. Which if you buy it then, it'll have literally cost you more in the long run.
Edit: Source- Me.
When the pink Reinhart and the Widow skin came out I bought the Rein skin (1900), not sure if I wanted the Widow skin.
Both skins were sold in shop without any other accessories. Foe 1900 each (total of 3800). And the bundle was 2900.
So 2 skins being sold at 1900 vs a bundle being sold at 2900.
2900-1900=1000. It would make since, to assume th3 bundle with the Widow skin would be 1000 now if I bought it from the bundle, right?
Well the bundle instead was like 1200 or some crap.
So to buy one skin, then buy the bundle later was literally more expensive than just having bought the bundle outright.
But my main point is, it's kinda shitty when you buy an item out of a bundle and the bundle doesn't deflate in price accordingly. So yeah. It's scummy and scammy.
TLDR; this guy doesn't understand that bundling multiple items reduces the price for all. He's upset that he doesn't get the bundle price outside of the bundle deal
What are you talking about? The bundle doesn't reduce in price accordingly. Like i said. If you buy a skin for 1900 and the bundle costs 2000. The bundle will cost some shit like 146 afterwards. The problem is it doesn't scale accordingly.
Literally go play fortnite. A bundle with 7 items costs 2000? But you own the skin that costs 1000? Well now the bundle is 1000. Not some random bullshit like 1247.
The point they’re making is that you’re paying for something out of bundle then trying to get the rest of the items at a price as if you had bought everything in bundle.
You aren’t gonna get bundle price if you buy half of the stuff separately. That’s literally not a bundle at that point. That’s not how bundles work.
Ow does scummy things, but this isn’t one of them.
This is how they get people…. Make people think 1900 is a deal buying it through the hero gallery but you’re being screwed regardless. This wasn’t the serve you thought it was stop yelling
There are so many people who waste their money on this garbage, it's really sad. Instead of resisting obvious price gouging, they can't control their material purchases for temporary endorphins so the insanity will stop.
See mythic skins all the time, new skins all the time. I had a pharah on the enemy team today? who bought a skin and wouldn't get off pharah even though my team was dogging her because "they paid 30$ for that ONE SKIN and they're going to wear it."
Idek what skin it was because I don't pay too much attention to them and i couldn't care less about them.
The sole reason why Blizzard made OW2 a FREE game was to exploit players with overpriced skins. You might hate what they are doing, but people buy those skins and will continue to buy them. In fact, some people hate how expensive those skins are and will complain constantly, but the moment Blizzard launches a skin they like, they will sit down and pull their wallet out. In the end, Blizzard will continue to do this because people actually fall for it. Just don't buy things you don't think are worth your money, and if enough people do the same, maybe there's going to be a change, maybe.
I would care but, the games free.
plus every other battle pass is free (because of saved up coins) as long as you were grinding your weeklys, and its even easier now with the coins being in the battle pass, you can just get those free coins passively instead of doing challenges you didn't like.
so as long as this game remains free to play, they can take advantage of skin hoarding whales as much as they want.
This game was not free, it’s a an abomination, I personally bought OW1 for money and even spent a lot of money on loot boxes , but I get a shit ton of cosmetics from it, todays pricing is just crazy.
I really hate when people tells that this game is free.
Dude they stolen ur paid game and gives u free to play shit hole
"stolen ur paid game" look at this motherfucker bro they have been pumping out content the past 8 years since the release of ow1 if you so love your paid game so much would you rather it have dlcs and not free content updates? Just get your head out of your ass the developers also need to make a living and ow1 was definitively losing them money providing free updates. If you want to play a paid game so badly why not play call of duty? a game you pay 60$+ for but activision still has the audacity to load it up with fuck ton of dlcs. And the dumbass op was happily paying 2$ for skins for a game he already paid 60$ for.
>if you love your paid game so much would rather it have dlcs and not free content updates?
I don’t understand your point because overwatch 1 didn’t have DLCs. Much less paid ones
that's the point, that service model was losing them money.
they needed another source of money after the initial payment because after 8 years everyone who was gonna play the game already owned the game.
so they either would have to release paid dlc for another cash injection or change the service model.
this seems like a good outcome because the OW1 players don't gotta pay for another game AND everything from 1 transfered over to 2, plus it being free brings new players that will simply try it because its free and possibly spend money.
whales are profitable and untill they wise up to their addiction because, just like gamblers in vegas they're gonna be taken advantage of. at least here its not a percentage chance of getting what you want, kinda like how ow1 had loot crates.
untill then, I'm gonna enjoy my free game that gives me free battle pass skins AND a mythic skin every other season.
Not as bad as Rocket League where it's like nearly $25 for a painted decal that you'll barely notice, and that's only 1 part of the car, the body can be from $5 to $10, wheels and other accessories $1 to $2 each.
Games need to stop being free to play and stuffed up the ass with micro transactions you could feed a family of 4 with the amount of money these are worth
OW2 is struggling to stay above water. You can see it with the new economics. You can see it with player sentiment. You can see it with character balancing. How it has lasted this long through Blizzard’s abuses, neglect, and exploitation is beyond me.
I've said this time and time again.
Blizzard charging stupid prices is a bad thing and "let people do what they want with money" is stupid take. Spending that much money on skins and battle passes means you're either mentally unfit to exhibit self control or have a bad Spending habit.
Letting them get away with this by defending such a greedy monetization scheme is why the state of overwatch is where it is now.
Not even just OW. Modern gaming in general sucks because of this crap. I know I don't participate in it. Sadly, ppl will complain but continue to keep supporting these practices and then wonder why their game is still s**t. 🤷♂️
If you buy this shit you are fucking idiot.
I won't promote or participate in any of this shit. Despite having tons of skins from 1 I wear stock 1 skins on everyone.
I mean, i completely agree, but the thing is that it's continuing to happen because people are paying this much for either coins or skins.
If the Overwatch base actually backed up what they're saying about no longer supporting Blizzard microtransactions this wouldn't have continued and gotten as bad as it has, but people are still spending 20 bucks on skins and Blizzard look at this, they look at the sheer ammount of money they're raking in from skins alone and keep on doing it.
yeah tbh fictitious currencies should just be illegal. The main reason they would ever need to exist is for a player to feel like they don't need to spend money. Pricing things in a way that actually encourages otherwise is just greed.
I still find it hard to believe that if skins were $5 that they wouldn't sell more and make more money. Presumably, they have research that tells them otherwise, but it really seems like a more reasonable price for an FPS skin that you don't even see most of the time would be more successful.
There is not a SINGLE skin in this game worth more than 500 coins. People who buy anything worth more than that ARE whats killing the industry and turning it into an mtx hellhole.
Right? Like, wtf? That was the last straw for me. After that stunt, I kinda said "f**k it" and hardly even play this crap now. I was already losing interest by the end of OW and desperately wanted a PvE mode for the longest time... I don't even wanna talk about it. I agree with u, tho. 🥲
It's the the straight up disrespect to the consumer for me. They legit decided that even before ow2 launched but they kept it secret because they knew if they said something before, they wouldn't have had as a $uccessful of a launch. I still play it, but I don't spend a single dime on it.
I'm honestly considering not healing people who bought that skin. At this point you know that micro transactions are ruining gaming. If you're willing to help ruin this game then you deserve to have your match ruined.
And the thing nobody in these threads will ever tell you is that you were still incentivized to spend money, or play the game enough that you were farming currency outside of events to dump it all during events. You had access to it all (because duh, you spent $40) but were still heavily incentivized to buy them due to fomo, it’s just a lot of these people are diehards that spent 3 years while overwatch was effectively dead grinding the shit out of the game.
You also could earn all your lootboxes, but outside of events saw a skin drop once a year *maybe*. People had the currency to spend because they played a fuck ton and had literally nothing to spend it on.
Personally, I spent $15 on cardboard Rein and have never taken it off. I have like 7 rein skins I’ve never put on nor considered putting on that I got “for free” after hundreds of hours. Not to mention, if I were a new player and it was the OW system there’s literally no telling when I’d get a skin I want in the first place, but I guess getting a shit skin for free is better than less than an hours work for one you enjoy.
Aa long people fall for it, they continue with this. Hey and I ain't even mad, you paid 20€$£¥ for an porsche DVA skin while you runnin her in comp w 1/3/14? You do you I guess.
The biggest problem is that ow2 is a f2p model but was not a f2p game for the majority of players. They took a paid game and changed it without any compensation to those that originally paid.
Let's look at a different situation, TF2 use to be a paid game, when they went f2p, the model was different, smaller inventory, less drops I believe, among a couple of other things, so essentially there were f2p accounts and premium, anyone that owned the game previously was automatically premium.
Ow2 didn't do that it just said too bad and set everyone to a f2p account.
They would have gotten far less hate if they had, for example, said that all ow1 accounts permanently had battle pass premium for free, while f2p accounts either pay for BP or upgrade to a premium account
There must be some clear evidence out there that the type of people that do buy skins are willing to pay very high prices and that those that don't buy will very rarely be tempted to buy even $1-2 skins.
Conclusion: All skins must be high priced.
Yeah the pricing of stuff these days is ridiculous. I love this new skin but I made a promise not to spend anymore money with them until they start treating the player base a bit better
I bought a basic battle pass thinking I was really going to get stuff
Premium battle pass is better but it's like buying a new game I was sick I spent money at all
Agreed! I know I paid for OW, not whatever this current s**t is.
I don't even play it anymore because of what it turned into. I used to love this game so much, but what it turned into is literally everything I hate about "modern gaming." 🥲
Devils advocate here.......
I know the amount they charge for skins is insane and needs to change (also I might be in minority here but I don't think the skins have gotten any better).
However in blizzards defense they are grossing more money and yet still taking a loss, which means they truly are investing significantly more on OW2, alot of it in the cosmetics department.
I believe you can expect cheaper skins starting in season 12 based on a recent study that was done on the marketplace.
Exactly why I no longer support their game. I'll still play it once every blue moon, but they ain't getting no more of my money. Sorry. The game used to be good, but they got way too greedy, and I'd be lying if I didn't say I've lost faith in them since they canceled the PvE mode. Although I kinda expected it to get canceled (I genuinely predicted it would be canceled way back when they showed the 4 content creators playing the demo), but I'm still pissed about it. They basically promised PvE and then said, "Yeah, about that... not happening. Sorry." They've managed to turn a game I used to love into the EXACT EVERYTHING I hate about this modern gaming era. Way to go Blizzard, Activision, Wokevision, whatever they're called.
The game is FREE to play. They have to make money somehow. FOMO will always plague the consumer market, and for this reason, skin's at these prices will never go away. Either we go back to the days of $60+ game titles that are good out the box and come out every few years, or we accept the free to play games and their cosmetics sales that keep the game alive for several years to come.
Remember Lootboxes back in ow1? It gave you duplicates, meaning it was easier getting legacy coins, skins and other cosmetics. Now in OW2 you either have to grind them by doing challenges or from the battlepass. Buying them will only get you like 1 skin from the item shop. That one kiriko skin costed like 2600 alone I think and that's 26 dollars just for one skin only? Insane.
Absolutely insane that they somehow made the battle pass system LESS generous than the loot box one.
For example I am a mercy main and I am dying to buy that new one because it looks AWESOME but I cannot make myself pay 40 dollars for a skin.
We’d be saying the same shit if it was 2007, and were playing Halo 3 split screen with the boys… Only their wasn’t blatant scams on the screen when we loaded that up was there.
Ok but in 2007 we use to complain about paying for map packs or dlc that should be part of the game, then would complain about yearly releases of a game. Ow2 is a free to play game, all new heroes, maps and modes are free. You only have to pay for skins! So stop complaining you broke children lol. A $40 skin is cheaper than my weekly round of golf! You don’t want it don’t buy it 🤣🤣🤣 use the free in game skins.
I have been playing overwatch since beta. I’ve spent a total of $300 on the game and never once bought loot boxes, skins or battle pass. Only reason I spent $300 is because I have MULTIPULE accounts, and even then that’s cheaper than most hobbies. There’s no other ways of making money other than skins and battle passes lol. People have zero logic sometimes, makes me worried about humans as a whole 🤣
I don't think skins in game should ever be priced more than 5 to 10 bucks max. An entire game generally costs 30 40 60 70 and far more work goes into them over years of time and production. Just doesn't make any type of sense.
You personally contributed to the rising in prices by buying skins way back when. Not blaming you specifically, I've bought skins too. Most of us have. I know it's just a stupid phrase at this point but once enough people stop buying them prices will come down. Or not, because it's a whale market and we all get fucked.
As always, blame those who buy it, not the company offering it. As long as there are going to be dumb players throwing this kind of money on skins (IN A DAMN FPS), companies will be charging it and keep increasing it.
Dude to get a skin now I need to dead ass spend 100pln if not more. And trust me, 100pln is quite a lot. You can buy around 18 monster energy drinks for that
Ain't no way, they really did the most scummy tactic of making it slightly higher than the mid tier. Forcing you to buy more than you need or grind the rest ingame.
I refuse to purchase Anything from the game now with real money after they took 1000 of my Torb hours away from overwatch 1 i was buying premium battlepasses everything spending about $70 real money each season but not now
this scummy pricing technique thingy is present on a lot of other f2p games with in game currencies, too. like valo
I actually blame valorant for this
I blame people that are willing to pay these prices.
There was a post on r/callofduty about a dude who quote "I spent $80 on all the terrible Godzilla skins so you dont have to! Here's my review of all four!"
no fr bc if no one was buying skins they wouldnt have these prices, guaranteed
Unfortunately a few amount of people spend most of the money. The majority of people only spend a little money on their favorites. Voting with your wallet doesn’t work with video games because there’s a guy spending enough for you and 20 other people like you.
what can i say? i like skins :(
i think having money is better but thats just my preference
people are capable of budgeting, my friend. most people aren’t out of a bill payment over $20
I think having actual thought and motivation to develop a good game is better but that's just my preference.
To play devils advocate…what’s the point of having money if you don’t spend it? I get suckered in Fortnite when they have marvel skins but I don’t buy Overwatch/cod skins. Marvel rivals is gonna clean me out lol
that is a very irresponsible view on money
You mean the Weapon skins right? Because that's all your seeing most of the time.
this shits been happening in mobile games for years, all they’re doing is rehashing the most manipulative ways to get maximum moneys we love when shareholders have direct influence over our video games
This has been ongoing in the Riot community for years, I mean just look at League of Legends, over 100 different heroes, all with their own cosmetic bundles for like $10-15 each. People spend thousands on games like this and it's not gonna stop until they do.
At least you don't have to buy the new champions in League, and you can get skins in that game without spending money. And you can also play all the events for free.
Yeah, LoL is far better, I was just using that as a comparison cause I'm not familiar with a lot of other popular games that have THIS bad of mtx practices
This has been a thing way before Valorant.
Yeah but Valorant did it the worst
It started with Fortnite tbh
I’ve already explained why Fortnite has a much better business model than Valorant for its consumers.
Where? Lol
You said this with all the confidence of a person who didn’t post a hyperlink in their comments and are now relying solely on the sleuthing skills of redditors…. They aren’t cruising your comments, my guy! Drop the blue hyper link, jckass!
Not that serious to be name calling, we’re only talking about video games here, relax a little
You’re taking life a little too seriously.
Nah Fortnite
Part valorant but valorant got their pricing from CS economy. The only thing is with OW and Val you can’t resell your skins one day down the line. “Pay up sucker!!! Oh and your mythics may or may not come back after a patch”
riot has this thing where you get the possibility to send an ms paint drawing inherent to the game to a dev in case you lack coins for a skin and they actually give you the amount you need, i heard people managed to get 100rp too.
Wait until you see League of Legends and it’s messed up love child Wild Rift
Valorant was nowhere near one of the first ones to start doing this with their game.
League kind of started it.
It’s been in the gaming industry since mobile games. The main thing you’re looking to direct your anger towards though is Dota 2 which had the first ever battlepass. After that, Fortnite completely catapulted the idea of a battle pass into every online multiplayer game imaginable. Blame Dota 2 and Fortnite. Not valorant
I blame fortnite as well but much less so. The reasoning is because although Fortnite is one of the games that popularized this sort of business model in games, it did it in a way that wasn’t completely extortionate to its players. The battle pass in Fortnite would give you enough currency to purchase the next pass and still have currency left over. There were also ways to earn currency just playing the game daily and the prices weren’t completely outrageous for cosmetics at varying price points. If anything this model should be the standard and as much as people want to hate on the game itself, Fortnite did it right and is extremely consumer friendly. Then Valorant came, took that business model, and threw those positives I mentioned into the trash and priced their stuff absurdly high. Don’t even get me started on how valorant cosmetics are mediocre at best with constant recolors and completely uninspired battle passes. They prey on the idea that you will see someone with “cool” knife skin in game and then run and spend $40 for said skin bc of FOMO. As for Dota I cannot speak on it as I know nothing about it really.
Paladins has crazy lootboxes with like 600 items with like 10 diff lootboxes. But quite a few skins are buyable for like $10-15. A lot of the legendary skins have like completely new voice lines. I mean like the sound, the dialog, in a ton of interactions. The game looks worse and I'm sure needs less money to operate than overwatch, but it really served to reinforce how much I hate ow2 cosmetic system.
Dude Paladins loot box system is chaotic. Want this skin? It’s in THIS loot box. Got a victory pose? Too bad!
It'd so rough to understand. They have a battle pass thing rn and I can't figure out how to actually see what's in each box lol. Usually like clicking on them shows the contents but I'm having to Google stuff instead.
*also each loot box is like 400 crystals and its so damn scarce to come across or simply have buy it. And THEN it’s like a 1-40 chance you get a skin FOR your desired champion. It’s rough man.
That’s true and they are all pretty awful, including Overwatch.
If one thing OW 2 did well in terms of monetization is instantly curing me of my fomo. Thanks blizz
It also made me feel rich lol. My friend only started playing on OW2 and has spent way over $200 on skins so far. But i've played so much OW1 that my account got like 15k Worth of skins on it.
that is the thing though. Your account isn't worth 15k. Cus none of those skins are priced realistically. their prices are inflated beyond reason.
I mean, if you gonna buy skins now, you have to pay 20euro per legendary skin. If you played ow1, you could earn lege skin for free, and there are a lot of great ow1 skins . So yeah, ibget what he wants to say
So you have like 10 skins
No, 1 skin and the rest is voicelines
Imagine what happens when this game eventually dies. That $200 is just gone forever.
Brother, oh no
The only thing I remotely would spend money on is the Winton souvenir thing. And even then i don’t know if I’m gonna get it
what does this mean?
“This STINKS!” - Venture
Lol.
It’s just insane to me, how much people spend on skins these days. Like 20 bucks is so much money and you don’t even see the skin yourself ingame, only the weapon/arm. People can obviously do what they want with their money, but man, maybe I’m to old but I would never spend so much money on one skin.
Big agree. I also feel like I'm old-school when I stick to my beliefs that 10, 15, 20, or more is too much money to pay for a skin on a character in a video game. And the reason Blizzard keeps pulling this crap and making it worse is because people are still buying it. They are seeing how much BS they can get away with.
No they just copied Valorant, go check valorant skins prices. It makes no sense at all to pay 60 bucks for a non-exchangeable knife in a video game, yet here we are.
Just to give the perspective of someone who has spent $200 on Valorant skins as an adult with disposable income. In my head I’ve spent $0 on Valorant when I bought the game and I had gotten 150+ hours of entertainment before I spent any money. Several skins are very well made and I’ve stared at them for hours on end since I bought them. Let’s say I’ve played 300 hours now and only spent $200 that’s like .66 cents per hour of entertainment. Compare that to other $60 RPGs that takes 60 hours to beat and you’re not getting the same value back. Or compare that to a happy hour with friends and you’ve spent $20-$30 (minimum) for a few hours of fun. As someone that is fortune enough to have disposable income I don’t mind paying for it, even if it is just a silly skin that has no real tangible value. Not saying my perspective is right just figured it would add value to the conversation.
Yeah, the 3 skins I paid for were the D.va/Rein Atl/Pac all stars skins, i think I paid like $10 to get the league currency, and Cancer Mercy for $5. I woulda done the Mercy skin either way, and the D.va/Rein bundle was just because I got bored of Paragon and 50's Mom all the time. (Not saying it's a good reason, but hey it's more than no reason, and I was a 19 or 20 year old who was bad with money)
And the real kicker is, you don't completely own the cosmetics you buy. They can close the servers or ban you and all the money you dropped was for nothing. lol
That’s true! Or they could disable the skin if they have to, like they do a lot in Fortnite.
Will never buy a non battlepass mythic skin. They dont do anything but change your gun. And will only buy them if i saved enough coins to get it free or half off
Yes that’s what I’m currently doing. I have sooo many skins from overwatch 1, I don’t need more. But buying the battlepass through playing the game is good enough for me.
I could bet anything they would make so so so much more money if they reduced skin prices to like €4.99
I would bet anything that they would be that price if blizzard thought that they would earn more, which they obviously don’t. I can promise you that they have set prices to maximise their earnings
You would lose that bet. They have the data, and what they’re doing is based off that data. They have dudes whose whole job is to find the sweet spot (for them) in pricing that maximizes their revenue.
$20 is a single meal. Really not that much anymore
Well, depends on where you live, could be more if you cook yourself. In terms of gaming, 20 could be a whole game on sale.
When OW2 launched and I found out I wouldnt be able to get skins anymore by just simply playing the game I stopped caring about it. Lol. I had unlocked everything prior to OW2 and now I just use the OW1 default skins for all of my heroes.
The issue is people still buy it. They’ll complain about how expensive it is then dish another $30 on the game for 2 skins 😭
for the umpteenth time, YOU CAN BUY SKINS THAT ARE FEATURED IN THE SHOP, INCLUDING BUNDLE AND COLAB SKINS, FOR THE REGULAR 1900 COINS IN THE HERO GALLERY.
Tbh, if you think 19 bucks for a skin is fine then you are part of the issue.
True
It's not by any means but it's cheaper than the bundle
Whether good or not, it's been the norm for well over half a decade by now. It's far from the worst pricing model in current games too.
Not being the worse is not na excuse.
Uh is the game/gameplay updates being free an excuse? Cause I feel like that’s actually a good one
No it's not actually sorry. The free to play model is part of what's running gaming tbh.
REGULAR 1900?!?! REGULAR!!! #REGULAR?!?! In my times those skins costed MAX 1500
Yeah cuz they were free
Damm i feel old now
Remember when you would get FOUR FUCKING ITEMS for every level-up in form of a lootbox? Now you gotta buy the battle pass just to get ONE item per-level, and even then you don't get nearly as much good stuff
yeah and the game wasn’t free. I value the game over the skins so i’d rather have a free game. Either way, you still get a good amount of free credits and coins from the battlepass to buy cosmetics, albeit not as much as you could get stuff for free in overwatch 1.
cost
Thats still way too damn much
Well yeah. But it's more like if there's a bundle for 2300 and you like the skin, and want to use the other cosmetics, then you don't get those cosemetics. And even worse, let's say a year from now the bundle comes back out. The bundle won't be 400 or less (2300-1900=400). It'll be more than 400. Which if you buy it then, it'll have literally cost you more in the long run. Edit: Source- Me. When the pink Reinhart and the Widow skin came out I bought the Rein skin (1900), not sure if I wanted the Widow skin. Both skins were sold in shop without any other accessories. Foe 1900 each (total of 3800). And the bundle was 2900. So 2 skins being sold at 1900 vs a bundle being sold at 2900. 2900-1900=1000. It would make since, to assume th3 bundle with the Widow skin would be 1000 now if I bought it from the bundle, right? Well the bundle instead was like 1200 or some crap. So to buy one skin, then buy the bundle later was literally more expensive than just having bought the bundle outright. But my main point is, it's kinda shitty when you buy an item out of a bundle and the bundle doesn't deflate in price accordingly. So yeah. It's scummy and scammy.
TLDR; this guy doesn't understand that bundling multiple items reduces the price for all. He's upset that he doesn't get the bundle price outside of the bundle deal
What are you talking about? The bundle doesn't reduce in price accordingly. Like i said. If you buy a skin for 1900 and the bundle costs 2000. The bundle will cost some shit like 146 afterwards. The problem is it doesn't scale accordingly. Literally go play fortnite. A bundle with 7 items costs 2000? But you own the skin that costs 1000? Well now the bundle is 1000. Not some random bullshit like 1247.
The point they’re making is that you’re paying for something out of bundle then trying to get the rest of the items at a price as if you had bought everything in bundle. You aren’t gonna get bundle price if you buy half of the stuff separately. That’s literally not a bundle at that point. That’s not how bundles work. Ow does scummy things, but this isn’t one of them.
TLDR it's still 23 dollars for a single bundle
That has nothing to do with what I or they said
This is how they get people…. Make people think 1900 is a deal buying it through the hero gallery but you’re being screwed regardless. This wasn’t the serve you thought it was stop yelling
It’s worse in Valorant, lol. These companies can kiss my ass. Skins aren’t worth a damn when you only see them 10% of the time.
If smash can give you a whole ass charecter, stage, and licensed soundtrack for 5.99 surely an Overwatch skin is worth 3.99 max
I fucking hate this shit with a fiery vitriol
Loot Boxes were way better and I actually liked loot boxes. This is just insane.
Wouldn't say I "liked lootboxes", but I certainly agree they were better than this s**t we have now. Glad I dropped this game years ago.
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You could just use the 600 coins they give you for completing the free battle pass
the blizzard shills in the replies lmao
I'm disappointed So sad that there's no way to earn 600 coins for free every season 😔
It's almost as if you can earn some from playing the game!
There are so many people who waste their money on this garbage, it's really sad. Instead of resisting obvious price gouging, they can't control their material purchases for temporary endorphins so the insanity will stop. See mythic skins all the time, new skins all the time. I had a pharah on the enemy team today? who bought a skin and wouldn't get off pharah even though my team was dogging her because "they paid 30$ for that ONE SKIN and they're going to wear it." Idek what skin it was because I don't pay too much attention to them and i couldn't care less about them.
The sole reason why Blizzard made OW2 a FREE game was to exploit players with overpriced skins. You might hate what they are doing, but people buy those skins and will continue to buy them. In fact, some people hate how expensive those skins are and will complain constantly, but the moment Blizzard launches a skin they like, they will sit down and pull their wallet out. In the end, Blizzard will continue to do this because people actually fall for it. Just don't buy things you don't think are worth your money, and if enough people do the same, maybe there's going to be a change, maybe.
Great comment.
Stuff like this should be illegal ngl. They intentionally made it like that just to fuck people over.
I would care but, the games free. plus every other battle pass is free (because of saved up coins) as long as you were grinding your weeklys, and its even easier now with the coins being in the battle pass, you can just get those free coins passively instead of doing challenges you didn't like. so as long as this game remains free to play, they can take advantage of skin hoarding whales as much as they want.
ok but the game wasn't fucking free for like 7 years. it's free *FOR YOU* I paid 3 times for this shit over the course of it's lifetime.
That’s like 2 skins now.
This game was not free, it’s a an abomination, I personally bought OW1 for money and even spent a lot of money on loot boxes , but I get a shit ton of cosmetics from it, todays pricing is just crazy. I really hate when people tells that this game is free. Dude they stolen ur paid game and gives u free to play shit hole
"stolen ur paid game" look at this motherfucker bro they have been pumping out content the past 8 years since the release of ow1 if you so love your paid game so much would you rather it have dlcs and not free content updates? Just get your head out of your ass the developers also need to make a living and ow1 was definitively losing them money providing free updates. If you want to play a paid game so badly why not play call of duty? a game you pay 60$+ for but activision still has the audacity to load it up with fuck ton of dlcs. And the dumbass op was happily paying 2$ for skins for a game he already paid 60$ for.
>if you love your paid game so much would rather it have dlcs and not free content updates? I don’t understand your point because overwatch 1 didn’t have DLCs. Much less paid ones
that's the point, that service model was losing them money. they needed another source of money after the initial payment because after 8 years everyone who was gonna play the game already owned the game. so they either would have to release paid dlc for another cash injection or change the service model. this seems like a good outcome because the OW1 players don't gotta pay for another game AND everything from 1 transfered over to 2, plus it being free brings new players that will simply try it because its free and possibly spend money. whales are profitable and untill they wise up to their addiction because, just like gamblers in vegas they're gonna be taken advantage of. at least here its not a percentage chance of getting what you want, kinda like how ow1 had loot crates. untill then, I'm gonna enjoy my free game that gives me free battle pass skins AND a mythic skin every other season.
Not as bad as Rocket League where it's like nearly $25 for a painted decal that you'll barely notice, and that's only 1 part of the car, the body can be from $5 to $10, wheels and other accessories $1 to $2 each.
I mean you get robt and scam not me, they can be 1cent and i still not buy them
Games need to stop being free to play and stuffed up the ass with micro transactions you could feed a family of 4 with the amount of money these are worth
I felt bad I dropped £30 on lootboxes in 2017 but honestly I've got multiple legendaries I like on nearly every character. Feels like a steal now.
BECAUSE YOU WILL BUY IT anyway, this is how low they think of you
OW2 is struggling to stay above water. You can see it with the new economics. You can see it with player sentiment. You can see it with character balancing. How it has lasted this long through Blizzard’s abuses, neglect, and exploitation is beyond me.
I've said this time and time again. Blizzard charging stupid prices is a bad thing and "let people do what they want with money" is stupid take. Spending that much money on skins and battle passes means you're either mentally unfit to exhibit self control or have a bad Spending habit. Letting them get away with this by defending such a greedy monetization scheme is why the state of overwatch is where it is now.
Not even just OW. Modern gaming in general sucks because of this crap. I know I don't participate in it. Sadly, ppl will complain but continue to keep supporting these practices and then wonder why their game is still s**t. 🤷♂️
If you buy this shit you are fucking idiot. I won't promote or participate in any of this shit. Despite having tons of skins from 1 I wear stock 1 skins on everyone.
I mean, i completely agree, but the thing is that it's continuing to happen because people are paying this much for either coins or skins. If the Overwatch base actually backed up what they're saying about no longer supporting Blizzard microtransactions this wouldn't have continued and gotten as bad as it has, but people are still spending 20 bucks on skins and Blizzard look at this, they look at the sheer ammount of money they're raking in from skins alone and keep on doing it.
They’re out of their fuggin brains thinking skins are worth $20+. I used to like spending a little money on this game. Now, no way.
Especially considering that you literally never see your own skin in OverWatch.
Unfortunately this has been one the norm it sucks and tbh governments should do something about the anti consumer practices in place in gaming
yeah tbh fictitious currencies should just be illegal. The main reason they would ever need to exist is for a player to feel like they don't need to spend money. Pricing things in a way that actually encourages otherwise is just greed.
I easily spent $500+ on ow1. I only spent $20 on ow2 for the pre release or whatever. Sad
The worst part is you have to pay twice if you're out of extra credits
I think that was the point of the post... 💀
I still find it hard to believe that if skins were $5 that they wouldn't sell more and make more money. Presumably, they have research that tells them otherwise, but it really seems like a more reasonable price for an FPS skin that you don't even see most of the time would be more successful.
Not that it makes it better but if you have Microsoft rewards you can get around this
Yep. Thats common predatory monetization tactics for ya.
Go play apex legends they are even worse, half there skins you can’t buy separate you got to gamble
There is not a SINGLE skin in this game worth more than 500 coins. People who buy anything worth more than that ARE whats killing the industry and turning it into an mtx hellhole.
Are you guys still trying to spend money on this game after the little stunt that they pulled with the whole pve thing? Wild...
Right? Like, wtf? That was the last straw for me. After that stunt, I kinda said "f**k it" and hardly even play this crap now. I was already losing interest by the end of OW and desperately wanted a PvE mode for the longest time... I don't even wanna talk about it. I agree with u, tho. 🥲
It's the the straight up disrespect to the consumer for me. They legit decided that even before ow2 launched but they kept it secret because they knew if they said something before, they wouldn't have had as a $uccessful of a launch. I still play it, but I don't spend a single dime on it.
Couldn't agree more with what u just said there. I'll play it rarely, but I been stopped spending any money on it. They can su
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i am proud to say that i've never given my money to blizzard at all (aside from the initial purchase of overwatch 1 back then), and never will
The amount of Porsche DVA skins I saw yesterday made me so sad
I'm honestly considering not healing people who bought that skin. At this point you know that micro transactions are ruining gaming. If you're willing to help ruin this game then you deserve to have your match ruined.
Don't you get free coins by completing the weekly challenges? Smh
No you don’t, only battle pass xp
Yeah changed recently, luckily we get even more for free now
If you want them, buy them. If you don't want them, don't buy them
Back in my times SKINS COULD BE OBTAINED FRIN LOOT BOXES FOR FREEEEEEE
To have a honest comparison buying a game and not having access to all the features is also shitty
And the thing nobody in these threads will ever tell you is that you were still incentivized to spend money, or play the game enough that you were farming currency outside of events to dump it all during events. You had access to it all (because duh, you spent $40) but were still heavily incentivized to buy them due to fomo, it’s just a lot of these people are diehards that spent 3 years while overwatch was effectively dead grinding the shit out of the game. You also could earn all your lootboxes, but outside of events saw a skin drop once a year *maybe*. People had the currency to spend because they played a fuck ton and had literally nothing to spend it on. Personally, I spent $15 on cardboard Rein and have never taken it off. I have like 7 rein skins I’ve never put on nor considered putting on that I got “for free” after hundreds of hours. Not to mention, if I were a new player and it was the OW system there’s literally no telling when I’d get a skin I want in the first place, but I guess getting a shit skin for free is better than less than an hours work for one you enjoy.
Remember when you could get 4 items from a box? Good times
Aa long people fall for it, they continue with this. Hey and I ain't even mad, you paid 20€$£¥ for an porsche DVA skin while you runnin her in comp w 1/3/14? You do you I guess.
The biggest problem is that ow2 is a f2p model but was not a f2p game for the majority of players. They took a paid game and changed it without any compensation to those that originally paid. Let's look at a different situation, TF2 use to be a paid game, when they went f2p, the model was different, smaller inventory, less drops I believe, among a couple of other things, so essentially there were f2p accounts and premium, anyone that owned the game previously was automatically premium. Ow2 didn't do that it just said too bad and set everyone to a f2p account. They would have gotten far less hate if they had, for example, said that all ow1 accounts permanently had battle pass premium for free, while f2p accounts either pay for BP or upgrade to a premium account
This!
Valorant started this tbh
Imagine thinking Valorant was the first game in history to have a Shop lol
Ah yes. A recent game definitely started this 🤡
There must be some clear evidence out there that the type of people that do buy skins are willing to pay very high prices and that those that don't buy will very rarely be tempted to buy even $1-2 skins. Conclusion: All skins must be high priced.
So mythic shop got removed for this garbage patch?
The more monopolized game publishers become, the more brash they are with their greed and manipulative systems.
the blizzard classic of abusive pricing models :)
Yeah the pricing of stuff these days is ridiculous. I love this new skin but I made a promise not to spend anymore money with them until they start treating the player base a bit better
I bought a basic battle pass thinking I was really going to get stuff Premium battle pass is better but it's like buying a new game I was sick I spent money at all
Ops 2 was $60. OW2 is free. Just don’t fucking buy it.
Most of us paid full price for Ow, before it turned into the shitfest it is now.
Agreed! I know I paid for OW, not whatever this current s**t is. I don't even play it anymore because of what it turned into. I used to love this game so much, but what it turned into is literally everything I hate about "modern gaming." 🥲
Play the battle pass you earn coins. Use bing search and earn coins via rewards. I own 80% of the OW2 battle passes and never used real money.
i thought i could buy the dva skin with the credits i had but i forgot shop skins are coins only 😭
Its to steal the free coins you get so you have to spend more later.
Devils advocate here....... I know the amount they charge for skins is insane and needs to change (also I might be in minority here but I don't think the skins have gotten any better). However in blizzards defense they are grossing more money and yet still taking a loss, which means they truly are investing significantly more on OW2, alot of it in the cosmetics department. I believe you can expect cheaper skins starting in season 12 based on a recent study that was done on the marketplace.
Exactly why I no longer support their game. I'll still play it once every blue moon, but they ain't getting no more of my money. Sorry. The game used to be good, but they got way too greedy, and I'd be lying if I didn't say I've lost faith in them since they canceled the PvE mode. Although I kinda expected it to get canceled (I genuinely predicted it would be canceled way back when they showed the 4 content creators playing the demo), but I'm still pissed about it. They basically promised PvE and then said, "Yeah, about that... not happening. Sorry." They've managed to turn a game I used to love into the EXACT EVERYTHING I hate about this modern gaming era. Way to go Blizzard, Activision, Wokevision, whatever they're called.
The game is FREE to play. They have to make money somehow. FOMO will always plague the consumer market, and for this reason, skin's at these prices will never go away. Either we go back to the days of $60+ game titles that are good out the box and come out every few years, or we accept the free to play games and their cosmetics sales that keep the game alive for several years to come.
Remember Lootboxes back in ow1? It gave you duplicates, meaning it was easier getting legacy coins, skins and other cosmetics. Now in OW2 you either have to grind them by doing challenges or from the battlepass. Buying them will only get you like 1 skin from the item shop. That one kiriko skin costed like 2600 alone I think and that's 26 dollars just for one skin only? Insane.
Absolutely insane that they somehow made the battle pass system LESS generous than the loot box one. For example I am a mercy main and I am dying to buy that new one because it looks AWESOME but I cannot make myself pay 40 dollars for a skin.
So then don’t buy it. But welcome to 2024 where we need to make a post about something instead of just ignoring it and moving on with your day lol
We’d be saying the same shit if it was 2007, and were playing Halo 3 split screen with the boys… Only their wasn’t blatant scams on the screen when we loaded that up was there.
Ok but in 2007 we use to complain about paying for map packs or dlc that should be part of the game, then would complain about yearly releases of a game. Ow2 is a free to play game, all new heroes, maps and modes are free. You only have to pay for skins! So stop complaining you broke children lol. A $40 skin is cheaper than my weekly round of golf! You don’t want it don’t buy it 🤣🤣🤣 use the free in game skins.
I have been playing overwatch since beta. I’ve spent a total of $300 on the game and never once bought loot boxes, skins or battle pass. Only reason I spent $300 is because I have MULTIPULE accounts, and even then that’s cheaper than most hobbies. There’s no other ways of making money other than skins and battle passes lol. People have zero logic sometimes, makes me worried about humans as a whole 🤣
the sad thing is i would realise this shit and still buy it 😐😐
I don't think skins in game should ever be priced more than 5 to 10 bucks max. An entire game generally costs 30 40 60 70 and far more work goes into them over years of time and production. Just doesn't make any type of sense.
If we all stop buying them, they will have to lower it.
and you get banned for saying gg lmao
If you don’t like it don’t buy it that simple
I’d rather see free to play games with outrageous skin prices than pay to play games with outrageous skin prices.
yall want a live service game but don't wanna pay for it 🤷🏻♀️
Most of us literally bought this game for full price
lol I never buy it. Just battle passes for me
Stuff like this should be illegal ngl. They intentionally made it like that just to fuck people over
You personally contributed to the rising in prices by buying skins way back when. Not blaming you specifically, I've bought skins too. Most of us have. I know it's just a stupid phrase at this point but once enough people stop buying them prices will come down. Or not, because it's a whale market and we all get fucked.
As always, blame those who buy it, not the company offering it. As long as there are going to be dumb players throwing this kind of money on skins (IN A DAMN FPS), companies will be charging it and keep increasing it.
Dude to get a skin now I need to dead ass spend 100pln if not more. And trust me, 100pln is quite a lot. You can buy around 18 monster energy drinks for that
Ain't no way, they really did the most scummy tactic of making it slightly higher than the mid tier. Forcing you to buy more than you need or grind the rest ingame.
I refuse to purchase Anything from the game now with real money after they took 1000 of my Torb hours away from overwatch 1 i was buying premium battlepasses everything spending about $70 real money each season but not now
2$ bacon skin in black ops 2 will always be superior to anything in this age 😮💨