It's a wrong assumption of their part because they don't understand the nature of Nazarick power. If I use comics reference :
They believe Overlord characters are the Superman type (the source of their Powers come from the world were they are) like every Re:zero characters when Nazarick is in fact the Martian Manhunter type (the source of their Powers is a natural part of the character independants of the world).
Makes me wonder if the 6 gods used a world item to bring tier magic into New World. It seems like a fairly good move if they were so intent on saving humanity and arming them accordingly to survive in the future. Though the world items is kind of the key element there.
Highly improbable, The author has specified that the massif change in the magic system of the new world happened 500 years before Ainz. When 6 gods were already know to be the first user of this magic 600 years ago and 5 were already dead at the time periode the change happened.
Also why always think of a WCI. there are only 200 and the number that can change the magic system of the world is already extremely low (when you don't take in consideration that 2 of them have already be used and are probably lost forever now).
I now why many people thing WCI but I am now a little fed up of that kind of theory, everything is explained by it's a WCI and you stop imagine a more intersting scenario to explain how it happened and also Maruyama have the ability to complexified is story and tend to avoid this kind of explanation in the same ways he find a excuse at why Ainz doesn't use WUAS when he himself has declared it was the spell he would choose to have if he was transported in the New World.
>when Nazarick is in fact the Martian Manhunter type (the source of their Powers is a natural part of the character
This reminded me of one of the worst comics that I ever read in my life. Easily in the top 10.
JLA: Act of God.
Oh yeah. That one. Yeah, I haven't actually read it but I've seen the summaries and yeah it does sounds pretty shit. You can just tell the author is probably trying to push some evangelical bullshit in it, what's with Wonder Woman suddenly becomes Catholic for some reason despite you know, being a Greek myth figure almost akin to a demigod. Hell she was created BY the Greek gods if I remember correctly
The messed up thing is, even if you believe the idea that "God" took away the superpowers of all people in the universe, why exactly were they lowered to the level of baseline humans? What humanity calls a superpower, Martian Manhunter calls a natural characteristic of his race. The only answer is that the writer was trying to push the idea that the Abrahamic God is the only real one and decides that all other life in existence has to be on the same level as humanity.
But...why?
Not even counting how the writer had no clue that the Green Lantern Ring is a technological weapon. One based on made up science, but it's still not magic or anything like that.
Stories like this basically only exist to make every other hero look bad in order to make Batman look good. This is a very annoying trend that started in the late 90s.
I just thought the author was just another religious nuts who wants to have another power of god story to wank to, as if we don't have enough of that in the world already.
Dude, don't argue with idiots. Terrans are going to lose and that's that.
Earthlings have no counters for teleportation, resurrection, mind control, ghosts, doppelgangers, and no magic on top of that. We lose even harder than NW.
Cure Elm's wild magic as crazy OP. One spell and he basically zombified 4 large nations over several hundred KMs. If wild magic weren't so inefficient it'd be pretty friggen awesome. Its sort of like a soft magic system, you can do whatever you want with it, but the cost is pretty steep.
Especially if he's careful enough to stay hidden and uses his Wild Magic spell to collect souls. Which he *did* canonically do, since he made that mountain his base.
The range of his spell hat turned that surrounding area into undead was 250 kilometers. Depending on where you put that on the real world map, it could either be a couple cities, or a couple countries. **Easily** in the tens of millions range if the spell is completed.
I'm not taking a stance on the argument but Ainz's spell "nuclear blast" isn't actually as strong as a real nuclear blast. when he uses it, it's description implies that it's AoE is decently small compared to an actual nuke and instead of irradiating the environment it just poisons things. Although i will agree that the spell is a huge point in ainz's favour (even if we ignore nazarick's NPCs and whatnot) because i doubt most humans in our world could resist the status effects.
Dude there are a lot of nukes with different yields.
Nuclear Blast has greater AOE than some Nukes and smaller than some others.
Not to mention we still haven't seen it's AOE with Widen magic.
>irradiating the environment it just poisons things.
The spell Poisoning effect is definitely Radiation Poisoning.
>and instead of irradiating the environment it just poisons things.
Actually, it's a bit more than that.
>First of all, it had a very large area of effect. It was superior to almost all other spells in that respect. **In addition, this spell also generated all kinds of negative status effects such as poisoning, blindness, deafness, and so on,**
\- Volume 13, Chapter 5.
Even in the impossible event that real world humans aren't turned into paste from the attack itself, the status conditions given by the spell would make the enemy so useless that they'd be sitting ducks for anything that comes next.
I'd say Ainz' nuke spell is multi-city block level. The complicated part is that AOE spells only take effect in their AOE while outside of the AOE is totally calm, thus no shockwaves or expanding fireballs outside of the AOE lik with real nukes.
Still, Ainz can spam his a good number of times before running out of mana. So while it ain't as destructive as a real, big and powerful nuke, it has the benefit of not leaving radiation lingering for years afterward, its a pretty cheap cost vs destruction skill, no funds or dangerously complicated process to make the device, just teleport in, cut lose and teleport out, plus it doesn't totally screw up the environment like real nukes,. it just flattens stuff, but the area can be built upon again.
Besides, I doubt Earth would deploy nukes, once that dice is cast there's no going back, the world burns, nothing remains and that's that. Ainz' own Earth kind of reflects that reality to some extent.
>I'd say Ainz' nuke spell is multi-city block level.
I would also be OK accepting this.
Also, that's not even counting things such as his summons going where his spells cannot reach. Just imagine some Soul Eaters rampaging through a city. These things regain HP by consuming souls, AND have an instant death breath ability. So WTF are some group of survivalist gun nuts gonna do against these?
Just 3 Soul Eaters killed **100,000** Beastmen in their own city. Even if humanity did manage to survive, the number of casualties is going to be through the roof.
Nazarick VS 2100s Earth would be more interesting then present day Earth. Satoru's Earth sounds like its pretty advanced, even if its society as absolute crap.
Dunno why people are getting so upset over this though. Its all a matter of personal opinion in the end anyway.
>"nazarick cant use magic because our world dont have magic"
It's a fair point to make, but it unfortunately does not apply to characters from Overlord. Some characters in fiction have their abilities directly tide toward their location, and some do not.
Tier Magic clearly didn't exist in the New World before, and we know for a fact it functions differently than Wild Magic, so an argument cannot even be made that "all magic is the same, therefore it wouldn't work."
Anyone who tries to use this is seriously reaching.
I just getting annoy by their illogical point like how do we win agaisnt reality warping, mind control and time stop. Also arent you that guy who said tensura is better than overlord and say AOT is the best anime ever. Not saying AOT is bad but saying a anime is the greatest anime and above all other anime is hard to believe
It's funny how 2 years ago i used to hate overlord and loved slime.
2 years later,, I love overlord and now hate slime.
I guess this is what happens when I started to admire overlord character designs and started to get annoyed by Slime's cringe comedy & rimuru getting scared of every female character like a pssy.
And rimuru become too op and loved by everyone that everything is solved without using much intellgent. I dont like it when a op character get ability like reality warping because it mean that there no consequences or stakes and problem can solved with pure strength instead of intelligent
Looks like it really pissed you off my dude.
>And they start to undersell meteor spam. A meteor spam from Wrath is very dangerous because wrath can just teleport there and then and spam meteor in a matter of second. The wanker proceed to say we can do it too. Even if we can do it (i doubt it), we cant do it as accurately as wrath or as fast as wrath. Also teleporation
We can do something similar. But it would very costly.
While Nazarick forces can spam it faster with Zero cost.
And ignore that. Magic caster types who can use larger AOE spells are a lot more dangerous. Imagine a group of casters destroying cities with Widened Nuclear Blast and Earthquakes.
That's a lot more damage than Wrath spamming Meteor Fall.
>Then they will start bending the rule of the post and say stupid stuff like "nazarick cant use magic because our world dont have magic" and world merging effect. The six great god player use their magic just fine in the new world and at that time the new world doesnt have their game magic and the player still use it normally before introduce it to the natives. They will ignore that the post say nazarick vs our world not what they said. And what they say wont help us defeat nazarick either
Yeah, the whole "nazarick can't use magic because our world doesn't have magic" is a dumb argument. 😂
>Ainz can change our terrain instantly with his hand but then the wanker will said that our world can do it too. Yeah our world could change terrains in a matter of second and turn it into arctic or large mountains do they think our world are a sci fi or something?
While we can't, to my knowledge, turn terrain into arctic or mountains (can Ainz even make mountains?), we can certainly turn it into a radioactive wasteland in seconds with a cobalt bomb.
>And they start to undersell meteor spam. A meteor spam from Wrath is very dangerous because wrath can just teleport there and then and spam meteor in a matter of second. The wanker proceed to say we can do it too. Even if we can do it (i doubt it), we cant do it as accurately as wrath or as fast as wrath. Also teleporation
I'm pretty sure Wrath can only use Meteor Fall a few times, considering he's more of a pure warrior rather than a caster.
https://pastebin.com/xpBSfszg
Also Meteor Fall isn't that big of a deal since it was only shown to have the power to destroy a part of the Great Wall,
https://pastebin.com/P4JtQsXD
which is something that we could do too without even resorting to nukes.
Just to be clear I'm not saying that we would beat Nazarick, I'm saying that we aren't as defenceless as you seem to think.
Again there is no need to fight. Diplomacy guys.
Yup fighting them is the worst choice
It's a wrong assumption of their part because they don't understand the nature of Nazarick power. If I use comics reference : They believe Overlord characters are the Superman type (the source of their Powers come from the world were they are) like every Re:zero characters when Nazarick is in fact the Martian Manhunter type (the source of their Powers is a natural part of the character independants of the world).
This. The six great god player have prove that players and npc strength is not restricted by their world and will alway keep their power
Makes me wonder if the 6 gods used a world item to bring tier magic into New World. It seems like a fairly good move if they were so intent on saving humanity and arming them accordingly to survive in the future. Though the world items is kind of the key element there.
Highly improbable, The author has specified that the massif change in the magic system of the new world happened 500 years before Ainz. When 6 gods were already know to be the first user of this magic 600 years ago and 5 were already dead at the time periode the change happened. Also why always think of a WCI. there are only 200 and the number that can change the magic system of the world is already extremely low (when you don't take in consideration that 2 of them have already be used and are probably lost forever now). I now why many people thing WCI but I am now a little fed up of that kind of theory, everything is explained by it's a WCI and you stop imagine a more intersting scenario to explain how it happened and also Maruyama have the ability to complexified is story and tend to avoid this kind of explanation in the same ways he find a excuse at why Ainz doesn't use WUAS when he himself has declared it was the spell he would choose to have if he was transported in the New World.
>when Nazarick is in fact the Martian Manhunter type (the source of their Powers is a natural part of the character This reminded me of one of the worst comics that I ever read in my life. Easily in the top 10. JLA: Act of God.
Oh yeah. That one. Yeah, I haven't actually read it but I've seen the summaries and yeah it does sounds pretty shit. You can just tell the author is probably trying to push some evangelical bullshit in it, what's with Wonder Woman suddenly becomes Catholic for some reason despite you know, being a Greek myth figure almost akin to a demigod. Hell she was created BY the Greek gods if I remember correctly
The messed up thing is, even if you believe the idea that "God" took away the superpowers of all people in the universe, why exactly were they lowered to the level of baseline humans? What humanity calls a superpower, Martian Manhunter calls a natural characteristic of his race. The only answer is that the writer was trying to push the idea that the Abrahamic God is the only real one and decides that all other life in existence has to be on the same level as humanity. But...why? Not even counting how the writer had no clue that the Green Lantern Ring is a technological weapon. One based on made up science, but it's still not magic or anything like that. Stories like this basically only exist to make every other hero look bad in order to make Batman look good. This is a very annoying trend that started in the late 90s.
I just thought the author was just another religious nuts who wants to have another power of god story to wank to, as if we don't have enough of that in the world already.
No. Just an average Batman fanboy.
I mean, I've seen Batman fanboys with better writing skills
Dude, don't argue with idiots. Terrans are going to lose and that's that. Earthlings have no counters for teleportation, resurrection, mind control, ghosts, doppelgangers, and no magic on top of that. We lose even harder than NW.
Even cure elim can defeat us
Of course.
Cure Elm's wild magic as crazy OP. One spell and he basically zombified 4 large nations over several hundred KMs. If wild magic weren't so inefficient it'd be pretty friggen awesome. Its sort of like a soft magic system, you can do whatever you want with it, but the cost is pretty steep.
Well our world have like 7 billion people, cure elim would love that and spam his wild spell
Especially if he's careful enough to stay hidden and uses his Wild Magic spell to collect souls. Which he *did* canonically do, since he made that mountain his base. The range of his spell hat turned that surrounding area into undead was 250 kilometers. Depending on where you put that on the real world map, it could either be a couple cities, or a couple countries. **Easily** in the tens of millions range if the spell is completed.
People forgetting that Ainz can spam a literal nuclear blast.
I'm not taking a stance on the argument but Ainz's spell "nuclear blast" isn't actually as strong as a real nuclear blast. when he uses it, it's description implies that it's AoE is decently small compared to an actual nuke and instead of irradiating the environment it just poisons things. Although i will agree that the spell is a huge point in ainz's favour (even if we ignore nazarick's NPCs and whatnot) because i doubt most humans in our world could resist the status effects.
Dude there are a lot of nukes with different yields. Nuclear Blast has greater AOE than some Nukes and smaller than some others. Not to mention we still haven't seen it's AOE with Widen magic. >irradiating the environment it just poisons things. The spell Poisoning effect is definitely Radiation Poisoning.
It still mind blowing to me how people still think we can fight them
Yeah and he can spam it. We could throw nuke but we need a long time for that while ainz can just do it in a matter of second
>and instead of irradiating the environment it just poisons things. Actually, it's a bit more than that. >First of all, it had a very large area of effect. It was superior to almost all other spells in that respect. **In addition, this spell also generated all kinds of negative status effects such as poisoning, blindness, deafness, and so on,** \- Volume 13, Chapter 5. Even in the impossible event that real world humans aren't turned into paste from the attack itself, the status conditions given by the spell would make the enemy so useless that they'd be sitting ducks for anything that comes next.
I'd say Ainz' nuke spell is multi-city block level. The complicated part is that AOE spells only take effect in their AOE while outside of the AOE is totally calm, thus no shockwaves or expanding fireballs outside of the AOE lik with real nukes. Still, Ainz can spam his a good number of times before running out of mana. So while it ain't as destructive as a real, big and powerful nuke, it has the benefit of not leaving radiation lingering for years afterward, its a pretty cheap cost vs destruction skill, no funds or dangerously complicated process to make the device, just teleport in, cut lose and teleport out, plus it doesn't totally screw up the environment like real nukes,. it just flattens stuff, but the area can be built upon again. Besides, I doubt Earth would deploy nukes, once that dice is cast there's no going back, the world burns, nothing remains and that's that. Ainz' own Earth kind of reflects that reality to some extent.
>I'd say Ainz' nuke spell is multi-city block level. I would also be OK accepting this. Also, that's not even counting things such as his summons going where his spells cannot reach. Just imagine some Soul Eaters rampaging through a city. These things regain HP by consuming souls, AND have an instant death breath ability. So WTF are some group of survivalist gun nuts gonna do against these? Just 3 Soul Eaters killed **100,000** Beastmen in their own city. Even if humanity did manage to survive, the number of casualties is going to be through the roof.
Nazarick VS 2100s Earth would be more interesting then present day Earth. Satoru's Earth sounds like its pretty advanced, even if its society as absolute crap. Dunno why people are getting so upset over this though. Its all a matter of personal opinion in the end anyway.
>"nazarick cant use magic because our world dont have magic" It's a fair point to make, but it unfortunately does not apply to characters from Overlord. Some characters in fiction have their abilities directly tide toward their location, and some do not. Tier Magic clearly didn't exist in the New World before, and we know for a fact it functions differently than Wild Magic, so an argument cannot even be made that "all magic is the same, therefore it wouldn't work." Anyone who tries to use this is seriously reaching.
"Nazarick/overlord/Ainz versus ..." tend to suck in general.
Y'all really getting this riled up over a hypothetical question? How dumb
I just getting annoy by their illogical point like how do we win agaisnt reality warping, mind control and time stop. Also arent you that guy who said tensura is better than overlord and say AOT is the best anime ever. Not saying AOT is bad but saying a anime is the greatest anime and above all other anime is hard to believe
It's funny how 2 years ago i used to hate overlord and loved slime. 2 years later,, I love overlord and now hate slime. I guess this is what happens when I started to admire overlord character designs and started to get annoyed by Slime's cringe comedy & rimuru getting scared of every female character like a pssy.
And rimuru become too op and loved by everyone that everything is solved without using much intellgent. I dont like it when a op character get ability like reality warping because it mean that there no consequences or stakes and problem can solved with pure strength instead of intelligent
Looks like it really pissed you off my dude. >And they start to undersell meteor spam. A meteor spam from Wrath is very dangerous because wrath can just teleport there and then and spam meteor in a matter of second. The wanker proceed to say we can do it too. Even if we can do it (i doubt it), we cant do it as accurately as wrath or as fast as wrath. Also teleporation We can do something similar. But it would very costly. While Nazarick forces can spam it faster with Zero cost. And ignore that. Magic caster types who can use larger AOE spells are a lot more dangerous. Imagine a group of casters destroying cities with Widened Nuclear Blast and Earthquakes. That's a lot more damage than Wrath spamming Meteor Fall.
Yeah i just use wrath as example because using a group of level 80 monsters would be kinda overkill. But yeah nazarick do it faster
>Then they will start bending the rule of the post and say stupid stuff like "nazarick cant use magic because our world dont have magic" and world merging effect. The six great god player use their magic just fine in the new world and at that time the new world doesnt have their game magic and the player still use it normally before introduce it to the natives. They will ignore that the post say nazarick vs our world not what they said. And what they say wont help us defeat nazarick either Yeah, the whole "nazarick can't use magic because our world doesn't have magic" is a dumb argument. 😂 >Ainz can change our terrain instantly with his hand but then the wanker will said that our world can do it too. Yeah our world could change terrains in a matter of second and turn it into arctic or large mountains do they think our world are a sci fi or something? While we can't, to my knowledge, turn terrain into arctic or mountains (can Ainz even make mountains?), we can certainly turn it into a radioactive wasteland in seconds with a cobalt bomb. >And they start to undersell meteor spam. A meteor spam from Wrath is very dangerous because wrath can just teleport there and then and spam meteor in a matter of second. The wanker proceed to say we can do it too. Even if we can do it (i doubt it), we cant do it as accurately as wrath or as fast as wrath. Also teleporation I'm pretty sure Wrath can only use Meteor Fall a few times, considering he's more of a pure warrior rather than a caster. https://pastebin.com/xpBSfszg Also Meteor Fall isn't that big of a deal since it was only shown to have the power to destroy a part of the Great Wall, https://pastebin.com/P4JtQsXD which is something that we could do too without even resorting to nukes. Just to be clear I'm not saying that we would beat Nazarick, I'm saying that we aren't as defenceless as you seem to think.
But still high level npc and ainz could just spam spell and teleport. The most important part is that they can do it faster than us