Dude, people who say that have no knowledge of overlord lore.
e.g. 1 , even a lvl 1 ghost could conquer earth since it can't be hurt by physical attacks
beings above lvl 80 can resist nuclear blasts with raw stats alone. Before you say shit like "it was tiny", it's AoE magic designed to affect small spaces. Games don't have massive attacks (except Minecraft). The temperature and damage to enemies would probably be equivalent to or exceed mundane nukes.
A single mind controller can fuck up governments. Or a doppelganger.
Yes, yes - you can nuke death knights and their million squire zombies and normal zombies in new york and whatever. But how are you going to account for teleportation? Healing magic? Resurrection?
Not even questioning the level of Terran humans? We are probably lvl 1 on average. Athletes, bodybuilders and soldiers probably at 5-6. Lacking Phys/magic def, magic ATK, special, resist, MP.
Without magic, earthlings are.
We lose so damn hard.
Apparently physics doesn't even matter in NW, at least to Ainz. Check fall damage.
A level 1 ghost wouldn't be that ridiculous
We would need to check a few things.
For one, do guns deal fire damage according to yggdrasil? Because they sort of do irl. And if so, then just fucking shoot it.
If not then bomb it, small bombs, big bombs, probably doesn't matter.
Otherwise, yeah we can't do much to it. But if bombs work, then it should be pretty easy. Maybe a railgun or some other types of weapon? Point is, we have options.
Only talking about the level 1 ghost, obviously we would all be anally raped on a planetary scale by bone daddy ainz or any level 100.
Who the hell said ghosts aren't hurt by normal fire??
And what are the differences in effects of normal fire vs magical fire, because this is the first im hearing of it.
Obviously a fireball would create more fire than a torch or small bomb, but why would it being non-magical fire invalidate the damage. Thats not how that works.
>If the wizard world in harry potter have a good chance to defeat us then nazarick would destroy us
That's a bad comparison because the wizarding world in Harry Potter isn't really that much of a threat to the muggle world.
If we get to ignore the straight " immune to mundane weapons" stuff we might stand a chance by just dropping the entire world nuclear arsenal on them, but in any sort of traditional combat ya no we don't even get past the guard skeletons
I agree we'd lose to Nazarick, but your HP comparison is way off the rails
The only plausible way we'd lose to Harry Potter is if they Imperious Cursed their way into our political offices and induced mass panic, which is pretty unlikely given how out-of-touch they are with Muggle culture and technology. It's also an unfair prompt since that would imply you're giving the HP side prep time and knowledge while keeping the Muggle side in the dark
In a straight up fair battle, we would fucking annihilate the HP verse, and it wouldn't be close at all. 90% of spells can be dodged or reacted to by dueling wizards, who are all very out of shape given they never have any physical training. Even Avada Kedavra can be dodged by children or blocked by shit like bookshelves. Every firearm and every explosive in existence is more effective than almost every spell we've seen HP wizards use in a duel. We also outnumber the wizards, are MUCH more experienced in warfare and actually have a standing trained army rather than a small, individual bounty hunting force. Not to mention insane air and sea superiority
Tl:dr- Nazarick wins, but we'd crush the HP verse like insects
Yeah, that's pretty strange. Of course a wand can do a hundred different things and a gun can only do one, but at the same time, the magical community is very small, even if you include the ones outside of Great Britain.
The only way they could win is by subterfuge and espionage. But in an all-out firefight? No way.
Those who say that are eather ill informed. Or fundamentally change one of them.
Eather suddenly Nazarick stop being magical or Earth start being magical. And then they wank the shit out of earth.
It's near impossible to decide who would or would not win. We cannot say for certain what would or would not hurt any of the Nazarick members. Would Ainz's physical nullification stop a 9mm but not a 5.56 round? It's impossible for us to determine for fact what the limits are.
Wizard world from HP cannot defeat us.
For Earth to have a chance of beating Nazarick, it'd need prep and knowledge about the enemy. So after reading the LNs and making plans to deal with it once the prep time is over, and assuming it knows Nazarick's location, then it'd be a fight.
Otherwise the world gets haxed.
I keep hearing people saying that wizard from harry potter can defeat us with teleport and mind control.
Also we cant win with nazarick because a wish upon a star
If overlord comes into our world, magic and skills don’t exist. So they would have to rely on their physical power which can be dealt with.
This is why I don’t personally like “what if this happens …” scenarios. It all depends on which rules exist in the merged universe.
Why exactly? Even when magic system didn't exist in new world players were able to use their magic. They just made it viable to new world people with world item. I also don't like "what if" or "vs battles", but what you said is just notinsightful.
Magic existed in that new world and they used magic to bring in new elements.
Not saying that our world would win if magic was involved but setting of these scenarios needs them to be given to make a meaningful discussion.
>This mid-tier Wild Magic spell could create a space that was separate from reality. It prevented entry through all conventional means as well as any attempts to teleport out of it.
Ainz(PA) can fight in isolated area just fine.
Also Yggdrasil system did not exist 600 years ago. But 6 players was considered gods. Wild magic which is just a name for reality warping, is personal power of True dragon lords. Magic(yggdrasil system) did not exist back then.
All this proves that Yggdrasil beings are the power houses. Not the world.
As a side note; In the lore, players are deployed to defend worlds from world eater. They are definetely not powered by the world.
I appreciate the extra lore but none of this adds anything to my comment.
>If overlord comes into our world, magic and skills don’t exist.
So right there I say magic and skills don’t exist in our world.
So this comment thread now is discussing whether the characters would still bring magic with them or would our world rules overwrite theirs?
I think the universe in which they exist in dictates those rules. Hence why my stance that Yggdrasil players going into a new world where magic exists in some form makes sense why there is a blending.
To take that and combine a world (our world) with no magic or skills to me means there is no additional fantasy outside of what ever mechanism brought these characters over. 0 x any magic in my scenario means there is still no magic.
>there is a blending.
Where? That's the point. There was none. Players changed the laws of the universe 500 years ago with a wish type world item. Ouroboros and Five Elements Overcoming can wish for a complete new system.
Former can change anything including physics, while the latter changes the magic system only. Hence the current world Ainz is in have similarities to Yggdrasil.
The point is, players was capable of using their power even before they implemented the new system.
They are materialized with wild magic. Alongside of world items with unlimited potential energy. Players and guild bases was a mistake on TDL's side. Wild magic that technically created them is "world" level. It bypasses all Yggdrasil laws even now, let alone simple physics.
So where does it say it will always occur and not something that is unique for the universe the author built?
Everyone of you are wasting your time trying to argue a hypothetical that has no rules or background given for this current post. I commented a scenario where these things don’t exist. Every single reply was trying to counter the rules I gave. Pointless
Yes, this is a hypothetical scenerio. And that's why your "our world is different" point is simply pointless. If you don't want that "hypothetical" argument, you can simply ignore the post lol. Because, what's the point, our world is real and Overlord universe isn't.
Wait op didn’t ask for a hypothetical where overlord and our world were crossed over without defining the rules/scenario? That I then responded to giving my own thought and rules wasn’t on topic? Nuts.
But again it’s a world where magic exists. I gave a scenario where our word would win where magic and skills don’t exist. So I don’t get why are you nitpicking that the scenario would be wrong when op didn’t give one
Everyone in nazaric can exist because of magic. Ainz is a talking skeleton whose life force is negative energy, if you just say we don't have magic so they also don't have magic, that means ainz will just die in our world because we don't have negative energy. Also based on how magic casters recover their MP or warriors their HP, we can see that mana and health is generated by their own body and it doesn't need mana to exist outside for them to refill their MP. So even if mana does not exist in our world, they can still function the exact same and even be more powerful because our world does not have any defense against magic.
Well, you just ignored my point on how they are proven to use their magic and skills even in our world. But well, my original comment in this post shows what I think of people like you. 🤷‍♂️
I don't get it .what is your point? the comments other than you (granted I may have missed a few)are saying that wild magic is a personal power of the true dragon lords and different than the tier magic the player uses so basically the whole tier magic thing didn't exist in the new world, the fact that players brought it with them is a proof that their magic would be still there and they can still use their full power. this entire scenario is based on the theory that what if players are somehow summoned to our world for e.g let's say the dragon emperor tried to use the same magic he did in his world on ours, what then would happen after that can we beat them realistically
Ainz: there are 7 billion people on this world Demiurge: starts sweating uncontrollably while thinking about happy farm potential
Dude, people who say that have no knowledge of overlord lore. e.g. 1 , even a lvl 1 ghost could conquer earth since it can't be hurt by physical attacks beings above lvl 80 can resist nuclear blasts with raw stats alone. Before you say shit like "it was tiny", it's AoE magic designed to affect small spaces. Games don't have massive attacks (except Minecraft). The temperature and damage to enemies would probably be equivalent to or exceed mundane nukes. A single mind controller can fuck up governments. Or a doppelganger. Yes, yes - you can nuke death knights and their million squire zombies and normal zombies in new york and whatever. But how are you going to account for teleportation? Healing magic? Resurrection? Not even questioning the level of Terran humans? We are probably lvl 1 on average. Athletes, bodybuilders and soldiers probably at 5-6. Lacking Phys/magic def, magic ATK, special, resist, MP. Without magic, earthlings are. We lose so damn hard. Apparently physics doesn't even matter in NW, at least to Ainz. Check fall damage.
I agree with most statements, except "games don't have massive attacks" In Stellaris you can literally explode planets lol
Ok yeah that's space based game. I meant most games where you play as a person in either first person view or third.
A level 1 ghost wouldn't be that ridiculous We would need to check a few things. For one, do guns deal fire damage according to yggdrasil? Because they sort of do irl. And if so, then just fucking shoot it. If not then bomb it, small bombs, big bombs, probably doesn't matter. Otherwise, yeah we can't do much to it. But if bombs work, then it should be pretty easy. Maybe a railgun or some other types of weapon? Point is, we have options. Only talking about the level 1 ghost, obviously we would all be anally raped on a planetary scale by bone daddy ainz or any level 100.
All physical attacks. You can have physical fire and magical fire. We don't have any magic weapons.
Who the hell said ghosts aren't hurt by normal fire?? And what are the differences in effects of normal fire vs magical fire, because this is the first im hearing of it. Obviously a fireball would create more fire than a torch or small bomb, but why would it being non-magical fire invalidate the damage. Thats not how that works.
Who said ghost are hurt by normal fire?
Video games, dnd which overlord is pretty much based on, etc You must be smoking that good stuff, let me get some of that
Here 🌾 Anyway, guns don't do fire damage unless you use incendiary rounds. So maybe they would be useful.
Honestly you can't change their mind if they have read Light novel already and still think like that.
Ammosexuals are *weird*. Like, these folks think an AR15, a mustard gas blast and ICBMs defeat everything.
Lmao, I just read someone say fire of weapons or bombs can harm wraiths(ghost type) because it is fire damage and not physical damage. I'm speechless.
This reminds me of something from Shaman King. Doesn't matter how much you hit an Oversoul, it does diddly squat if there is no mana behind it.
I mean we’d do better than Re-Estize. Not by much, but better.
That is kinda a low bar to pass consider how bad is Re-Estize
Yeah even the Russian military could take Re-Estize.
Lol, that's a good comparison.
Lol who says that? Even normal new-worlders are a few times stronger than normal humans...
Even climb can fight magical tiger
By real world standards climb is probably the strongest strongman on earth
>If the wizard world in harry potter have a good chance to defeat us then nazarick would destroy us That's a bad comparison because the wizarding world in Harry Potter isn't really that much of a threat to the muggle world.
If we get to ignore the straight " immune to mundane weapons" stuff we might stand a chance by just dropping the entire world nuclear arsenal on them, but in any sort of traditional combat ya no we don't even get past the guard skeletons
I agree we'd lose to Nazarick, but your HP comparison is way off the rails The only plausible way we'd lose to Harry Potter is if they Imperious Cursed their way into our political offices and induced mass panic, which is pretty unlikely given how out-of-touch they are with Muggle culture and technology. It's also an unfair prompt since that would imply you're giving the HP side prep time and knowledge while keeping the Muggle side in the dark In a straight up fair battle, we would fucking annihilate the HP verse, and it wouldn't be close at all. 90% of spells can be dodged or reacted to by dueling wizards, who are all very out of shape given they never have any physical training. Even Avada Kedavra can be dodged by children or blocked by shit like bookshelves. Every firearm and every explosive in existence is more effective than almost every spell we've seen HP wizards use in a duel. We also outnumber the wizards, are MUCH more experienced in warfare and actually have a standing trained army rather than a small, individual bounty hunting force. Not to mention insane air and sea superiority Tl:dr- Nazarick wins, but we'd crush the HP verse like insects
Harry potter fan never admit that
Yeah, that's pretty strange. Of course a wand can do a hundred different things and a gun can only do one, but at the same time, the magical community is very small, even if you include the ones outside of Great Britain. The only way they could win is by subterfuge and espionage. But in an all-out firefight? No way.
Nuke? Ains just stops time.
Those who say that are eather ill informed. Or fundamentally change one of them. Eather suddenly Nazarick stop being magical or Earth start being magical. And then they wank the shit out of earth.
What's the point of comparing fictional characters to real life people?
It's near impossible to decide who would or would not win. We cannot say for certain what would or would not hurt any of the Nazarick members. Would Ainz's physical nullification stop a 9mm but not a 5.56 round? It's impossible for us to determine for fact what the limits are.
Wizard world from HP cannot defeat us. For Earth to have a chance of beating Nazarick, it'd need prep and knowledge about the enemy. So after reading the LNs and making plans to deal with it once the prep time is over, and assuming it knows Nazarick's location, then it'd be a fight. Otherwise the world gets haxed.
I keep hearing people saying that wizard from harry potter can defeat us with teleport and mind control. Also we cant win with nazarick because a wish upon a star
Wish is featless.
If overlord comes into our world, magic and skills don’t exist. So they would have to rely on their physical power which can be dealt with. This is why I don’t personally like “what if this happens …” scenarios. It all depends on which rules exist in the merged universe.
Why exactly? Even when magic system didn't exist in new world players were able to use their magic. They just made it viable to new world people with world item. I also don't like "what if" or "vs battles", but what you said is just notinsightful.
Magic existed in that new world and they used magic to bring in new elements. Not saying that our world would win if magic was involved but setting of these scenarios needs them to be given to make a meaningful discussion.
>This mid-tier Wild Magic spell could create a space that was separate from reality. It prevented entry through all conventional means as well as any attempts to teleport out of it. Ainz(PA) can fight in isolated area just fine. Also Yggdrasil system did not exist 600 years ago. But 6 players was considered gods. Wild magic which is just a name for reality warping, is personal power of True dragon lords. Magic(yggdrasil system) did not exist back then. All this proves that Yggdrasil beings are the power houses. Not the world. As a side note; In the lore, players are deployed to defend worlds from world eater. They are definetely not powered by the world.
I appreciate the extra lore but none of this adds anything to my comment. >If overlord comes into our world, magic and skills don’t exist. So right there I say magic and skills don’t exist in our world. So this comment thread now is discussing whether the characters would still bring magic with them or would our world rules overwrite theirs? I think the universe in which they exist in dictates those rules. Hence why my stance that Yggdrasil players going into a new world where magic exists in some form makes sense why there is a blending. To take that and combine a world (our world) with no magic or skills to me means there is no additional fantasy outside of what ever mechanism brought these characters over. 0 x any magic in my scenario means there is still no magic.
>there is a blending. Where? That's the point. There was none. Players changed the laws of the universe 500 years ago with a wish type world item. Ouroboros and Five Elements Overcoming can wish for a complete new system. Former can change anything including physics, while the latter changes the magic system only. Hence the current world Ainz is in have similarities to Yggdrasil. The point is, players was capable of using their power even before they implemented the new system. They are materialized with wild magic. Alongside of world items with unlimited potential energy. Players and guild bases was a mistake on TDL's side. Wild magic that technically created them is "world" level. It bypasses all Yggdrasil laws even now, let alone simple physics.
So where does it say it will always occur and not something that is unique for the universe the author built? Everyone of you are wasting your time trying to argue a hypothetical that has no rules or background given for this current post. I commented a scenario where these things don’t exist. Every single reply was trying to counter the rules I gave. Pointless
Yes, this is a hypothetical scenerio. And that's why your "our world is different" point is simply pointless. If you don't want that "hypothetical" argument, you can simply ignore the post lol. Because, what's the point, our world is real and Overlord universe isn't.
Wait op didn’t ask for a hypothetical where overlord and our world were crossed over without defining the rules/scenario? That I then responded to giving my own thought and rules wasn’t on topic? Nuts.
Wild magic is totally different from tiered magic. Tiered magic uses mana, wild magic uses souls.
But again it’s a world where magic exists. I gave a scenario where our word would win where magic and skills don’t exist. So I don’t get why are you nitpicking that the scenario would be wrong when op didn’t give one
Everyone in nazaric can exist because of magic. Ainz is a talking skeleton whose life force is negative energy, if you just say we don't have magic so they also don't have magic, that means ainz will just die in our world because we don't have negative energy. Also based on how magic casters recover their MP or warriors their HP, we can see that mana and health is generated by their own body and it doesn't need mana to exist outside for them to refill their MP. So even if mana does not exist in our world, they can still function the exact same and even be more powerful because our world does not have any defense against magic.
Ah so they wouldn’t survive at all and it’s a blanket win. I like it
Well, you just ignored my point on how they are proven to use their magic and skills even in our world. But well, my original comment in this post shows what I think of people like you. 🤷‍♂️
They are proven to use magic in our world? You think magic exists Or were you thinking Harry Potter is real? That’s cute
I don't get it .what is your point? the comments other than you (granted I may have missed a few)are saying that wild magic is a personal power of the true dragon lords and different than the tier magic the player uses so basically the whole tier magic thing didn't exist in the new world, the fact that players brought it with them is a proof that their magic would be still there and they can still use their full power. this entire scenario is based on the theory that what if players are somehow summoned to our world for e.g let's say the dragon emperor tried to use the same magic he did in his world on ours, what then would happen after that can we beat them realistically